This play never should have even happened.
Minor league baseball is about to get cancelled for the year. “Boston Strong” means cancelling a marathon that’s over 3 months away. And the English and Italian soccer leagues will both be back in a few weeks. And in football news, Ohio State took down Miami last night in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl after a bad call cost Miami the game caused the game to go to overtime where the better team on the evening eventually won a thriller. Thanks, ESPN, for showing that game in its entirety last night. I hadn’t seen it in a long time.
Hopped up on pain-killers.
King Charles II was born on this dad. That dandy shares it with badass patriot Patrick Henry, writer G.K. Chesterton, entertainer Bob Hope, chemist Dorothy Hodgkin, mountain climber Tenzing Norgay, president who lost his mind John F Kennedy, musical genius Danny Elfman, lovely actress Annette Benning, and English buffoon Noel Gallagher.
Not a bad list. Now on to…the links!
Mississippi Minnesota Burning. This is getting way out of hand.And the Prosecutor sure didn’t help things yesterday with that statement.
“Damn you, auto parts stores!”
Trump does something stupid. No, it’s not his statement on the rioting either.
These guys get it. I expect them to be in cuffs by the end of the day.
Louisville goes bananas. They should have been protesting this months ago, by the way.
Still grifting…
Chicago doing Chicago things. I know, I know. You’re as shocked as I am.
Oh, sweet Jesus. Good luck enforcing this, dumbasses.
Texas gets ahead of the curve. I know, I know. “Wait two weeks” or something.
Enjoy this! Great band. Great song.
Now to the business of post-auction money-collection. It was a very good day, friends. A very, very good day. Hope yours is. And I hope y’all have a great weekend!
Who’s willing to invest in child sized hamster balls? We can sell them to the California school systems.
Leave the children free, stuff the meddlers into the hamster balls.
Aren’t zip-ties and shackles cheaper?
We save those for when they step out of the hamster balls.
That’s to hold them in place while you search their underwear for Motrin.
/Thomas
Wow, didn’t know OMWC had an alt account.
*narrows gaze*
I’m willing to invest in a private school located across the street from the public school. I imagine you’d get a lot of business this fall.
The private schools aren’t able to open here either. As was discussed the other day, I’m really curious if there’s going to be an upswing in homeschooling.
The school districts here are talking about going to a A/B schedule with half the students on Monday/Wednesday and half on Tuesday/Thursday. And of course, masks for all.
My wife will burn the down school district admin building like an AutoZone if they don’t reopen schools 5 days a week in the fall.
There was a Brit interviewed on the Tom Woods Show in the last year or so who was creating a chain of affordable private schools, over there first, unfortunately.
The expensive private school I send my kids to in Texas is opening but being kind of dumb about this too. Starting with mandatory masks? wtf? lame. I want to pull them but my wife thinks they’re gonna relax the policy.
Hamster balls? How did you get them little legs apart to get them balls?
The Boy in the Plastic Bubble was a documentary.
I’m sorry, the card says “Moops”.
How about hamster-sized child balls?
Are these hamster balls the size of human children’s balls or the size of human children? In either case you will also need to give me the size of the hamsters these balls came from to suss out my interest level.
Mississippi Minnesota Burning. This is getting way out of hand.And the Prosecutor sure didn’t help things yesterday with that statement. – has anyone analyzed percentage of mask wearing among the protesters? Are they wu flu safe?
My girlfriend lives in Minneapolis and holds many left leaning ideas, and even she is baffled by the level of stupidity involved in people burning down their own and their neighbor’s neighborhoods. These morons just undermined one of the best cases against police brutality and abuse of power with this shit. A lot of bored fucking people, tired of being stuck at home because of Wu Tang Flu now found a way to let out pent up anger and take advantage of the situation to break other people’s shit and steal as much as they can too. This only ends it looks like when they send in the guard and actually kill more people. Fucking stupidity.
This has gotta add more than a few points to team red come fall.
Not if Trump keeps calling these people “thugs”.
Jesus, all he had to do was beg for some restraint but he had to lean into his condemnation too far.
Maybe. Not exactly the same, but I’m thinking about how Nixon won. Lawin Order has an appeal in times of civil unrest.
It’s what he does.
It’s only ok if the right people say it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3063333/Obama-RIGHT-call-rioters-thugs-says-White-House-trendy-comedian-claims-new-N-word.html
People who loot and destroy businesses are thugs. I don’t have much of a problem with them burning the police station, but cleaning out a Target is not a protest, or a demonstration, or a any other euphemism the media wants to use.
That piece of shit cop should die by lethal injection, and looters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That’s what law and order means to me.
Yup
The one thing that is funny as hell to come out of this is that she used (and I say used) to be stuck on the side of the gun grabbers. Now she sees that even her ultra left leaning paradise can and will turn into a hell, and actually told me last night that she wish I was there with my firearm, cause she doesn’t feel safe. Go figure..
I’ve heard that “Happiness is a Warm Gun”
I should have added this To the first story but didn’t.
“A CNN reporter and his production team were arrested this morning in Minneapolis for doing their jobs, despite identifying themselves — a clear violation of their First Amendment rights. The authorities in Minnesota, including the Governor, must release the three CNN employees immediately,” CNN said in a statement.
I don’t quite agree with this statement. The freedom of the press means you can report. It doesn’t mean you get to report from wherever you want, even if you’re asked to move along with everyone else to a safer place a short distance away.
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Does that say “Please send more vaseline”?
“Drink your Ovaltine?!”
Damn you!
“Don’t forget to drink your ovaltine.”
Ovaltine? Sonofabitch!
*readies soap
Ohhhhhhhh, fuuuuuuuuucccckkkk.
Freaking movie is a classic. Just put a smile on my face that I sorely needed.
It’s probably on TBS today.
The media should have absolutely no extra privileges anybody else would have. Which isn’t to say what happened to the CNN crew was right, just that it wouldn’t be any more right if it was just a group of random people doing the same thing.
What gives me the red ass about this is the addition of “after identifying themselves” into the statement.
My response to CNN: motherfucker, a credential doesn’t make you “the press”. The press can be anybody. You’re not special. Fuck you and your mentality that your network deserves to be treated differently than any dude with a cellphone camera streaming to YouTube.
When a Minniesoda city burns, does it smell like someone left hotdish in the oven too long?
*Barf*
Boo!
* narrows gaze *
Louisville goes bananas. They should have been protesting this months ago, by the way. – honestly it is a bit late. But all this rioting imo is misplaced. It is not racist that is the main problem with police brutality. It is police brutality. And probably cop unions.
But I want a free TV.
why? there’s nothing good on anyways
Hey, the 2003 Fiesta Bowl was on last night, and it was great! Especially those salty tears from John Vilma and company.
I wonder when they’ll play the 2019 Fiesta Bowl? Or the 2016 Fiesta Bowl?
Neither of those games completely destroyed a program though. Although I do still have nightmares of the 2016 game, seeing as I was sitting in the second row on the wrong side of the field.
The one that had me laughing this morning is the photo where the rioters stole the kids’ toy choo-choo train and were riding down the street in it.
The guy stealing a car seat really got me.
You can go ahead and just remove the word “probably”.
We have this same discussion constantly at our place. Stop distracting with the racist BS. Hold cops accountable for their actions. End of story.
And let this “crisis” go unused?
SHA! You must be cray cray!
It’s a problem with police power and unaccountability and stupid laws more than racism but don’t expect that to be the takeaway for most people.
Even if there is an element of racism, the answer is the same. Kind of makes you think something else is in play.
If by something else you mean attempting to gain political advantage while doing nothing meaningful you’re correct.
Just happens that all the places that get looted have stuff the “protesters” wanted. Just trying to put 2 and 2 together.
^^^THIS^^^
And I will not be surprised there are outsiders shipped in by team blue to help make things worse. That has been SOP for too long, and I expect them to ratchet this up even higher because of the desperation that if orange man wins the election Obama’s and team blue’s made up legacy of “scandal-free” great administration, are toast.
I’ve got some moonbat acquaintances who are 100% convinced that the Minny police are starting the fires and busting in to the stores so they can shift attention to the riots and away from the Lloyd’s murder.
I saw some of that on Reddit. Blame social media.
Yep. It’s all over Twitter, too.
You talking about that white dude in all black with a gas mask on who was wandering around smashing windows and setting an auto parts store in fire?
That dude is straight up antifa.
And my bet is that brave fascist warrior is from out of town and had someone or some specific group pay for his travel expenses…
Snoopy, Inc. is correct. All signs point to Antifa.
No doubt the white dude with the gas mask and umbrella is Antifa.
There is now a third video showing the guys who were trying to stop the Umbrella Man walking with him like buddies later on, indicating that the entire video was staged.
Antifa? Maybe, maybe not. But it is clear that everything we are watching unfold out there is a fucking production.
There obviously is some racism everywhere, it is silly to think not to, but the system enables and enhances it
It’s almost like we’ve seen this play out in the exact same way over and over again or something.
Yeah, I just replied on a black friend’s post “where was all this outrage for Duncan Lemp?”
If cops stop the brutality against blacks only and systemic changes aren’t made, that’s a really bad thing.
Yikes, awkwardly worded; the stopping brutality against blacks part is obviously a good thing.
Wasn’t there a site that used to chronicle these sorts of things? it was either part of Reason or Cato. It was so widespread — the cops accidentally killing people. Regardless, I stopped reading because I got too pissed off. That may have been the problem.
“accidentally” should be in quotes
It was Cato. They were collecting police misconduct reports. Back in the day there was also Cop Watch, and I’m sure lots of other groups. It looks like the Cato one is now going after Qualified Immunity.
injusticeeverywhere.com – David Packman. Domain is gone, I think his data formed the basis of the Cato project
Remember when white people in Minnesota rioted after a black cop killed Justine Damond?
I have been saying that injecting race is part of the plan for many years now.
Back when Balko was at Reason it really looked like we were making progress on this issue. Then, suddenly, everything became about race. And not only about race, but they kept picking National issues where the complaints about the police we’re not correct. Ones like hands up don’t shoot.
And when that happens, everything stops. It sucks all the oxygen out of the room.
Once or twice and I believe it could just be that people have their hobby horse and a riled up about what they are riled up about.
But it isn’t just once. It is every single time.
Combine that with the fact that the New York Times explicitly said that they were going to push racism as an issue specifically in order to bring Trump down and I don’t think any of this is an accident.
Great song. One of my favorite bands.
Part of me feels like these ongoing protests/riots, and the online outrage, are the left’s way of saying, “Okay, we’re done with this virus bullshit too.”
At the very least, the pent-up anger at everything bring closed, money not coming in, etc contributed.
It’s just like the masks. They cannot say “Hey, we tooootally over reacted, our bad!” So instead it is, “Well, we are going to let you go outside, but you have to show that we were right by wearing this mask.” and now it is “Lockdown? Who said anything about lockdown? Racism is nigh upon us!!”
I got banned from a very popular Facebook birding group for demanding that we acknowledge and discuss the experiences of non-white birders.
So I made a new, less racist group. If you’re a bird nerd on Facebook check out West Coast Birders.
https://twitter.com/corvidresearch/status/1266105796611301376
“corvid research”… so they are so racist they only research black birds?
They were only waiting for this moment to arrive.
I’m overwhelmed with the number of female PhDs scientists that are wholly invested in the SJW ethos.
I’m glad they banned her. I wish more people would shun these lunatics.
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I would love birding to be more inclusive. My partner and I are queer and often uncomfortable in birding environments that are mostly white boomers.”
WTF is wrong with people?
“Queer” = “gay” + “insufferable leftist”. Of course they are uncomfortable among anyone who isn’t the same.
How often are people’s problems of their own making and in their own heads? That insufferable leftist thing seems to be a fast way to make living a nightmare, whether it is or not.
I can’t tell whether they actually mean that bullshit, or whether they’re the real world equivalent of the kid who sucker punches another kid on the playground and then immediately falls to the ground screaming before the other kid can retaliate.
They want to be uncomfortable so they can talk about it and bring attention to themselves.
How does that whole consequences thing work again? When being a victim gets you creds, everyone desperate for attention seems to want to be a victim. Some even go so far as to create imaginary instances of victimization. Queue that french actor.
These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
Racist! Uh , but defending black man. Uh, that uh – does not compute. *system error* ///NPC
Heh. That’s a good point.
Which is probably the real reason why twitter flagged that tweet.
Dear Anarchists, what’s preventing you from looking like this?]
https://twitter.com/ReviewerRadical/status/1265848282187624448
For most I would guess their mom won’t allow this sort of thing.
The first two replies are telling:
Time to start a go fund me.
Yeah, noticed that too.
Also, maybe the ideology of anarchism is preventing them from reading nothing but Communist books? Or is this the fake anarchism that likes Commies?
They can’t trust themselves with guns so no one should have one.
I’d be embarrassed if that was my arsenal.
Commies can’t afford to buy these or one of these.
Depends on how big the allowance is that Mommy and Daddy give them.
Maybe that’s why they are commies? Mommy & Daddy kept too much of their money and didn’t share enough with the basement dweller?
Well technically those are the guns that were lost in that boating accident.
It’s nice having a non political wife with almost no knowledge of the culture war in the US. When I explained how “pre existing conditions” would be covered under insurance she gave me that head tilting, confused look dogs make when perplexed. She did the same thing when I explained why the city we fly through is on fire. “Why would they do that?” Good question, Yoko.
Life’s little blessings. My last gf, who I spoke about on here a few times was pretty thoughtful and non-partisan on politics, but man, that time she spent an hour drive calling me racist because I said black poverty was more likely the result of Jim Crow laws, labor union exclusion (she had never heard of the Great Migration) and welfare than the legacy of slavery…
Sounds like you both agreed that black poverty was due to government policies.
She became an emotional thinker on that subject and expressed no thought beyond “DAS RACISS!!1”.
When we first started dating, my now wife thought I was a racist because I was opposed to affirmative action. It took a while for her to get that I opposed it because AA itself was racist and just perpetuating the sort of thing it supposedly was set up to fix.
I trust her first impression.
Postcard she had made and sent to me the other day.
https://imgur.com/goq2hul
Oshiri tanei! Kids, especially boys, love that guy.
The Japanese do love all things butt related.
I love that he speaks so politely.
I started laughing as soon as I opened the mailbox.
Looting Target: Bad
Burning down the Third Precinct: Good
Trump’s tweet: Idiotic
Twitter’s statement on Trump’s tweet: Probably the best way to handle the situation
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
“Twitter’s statement on Trump’s tweet: Probably the best way to handle the situation”
No.
Twitter, Inc. should STFU.
Wouldn’t kill Trump to do the same.
^
Agree.
And AXIS steel is good stuff. Like muh crucible stuff better though.
If he had stopped at “these Thugs are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd,” it would’ve been a great one. But he had to go all Lawnordery.
Trump does something stupid.
I am going to respectfully disagree.
Someone posted an article over at the Volohk conspiracy explaining what the executive order does.
If he is to be believed, everything that I have seen in the media about this is nonsense. Apparently all he is doing is ordering the FTC and FCC to look into coming up with rules for how such decisions must be made. Basically, it is angling towards requiring and open process where the people who are being censored know who is making the decision and what the basis for that decision is.
His take is that it is basically about some form of due process.
So hardly the wholesale violation of the first amendment that everyone else seems to think was ordered. And it doesn’t actually order anything, it just tells them to look into it.
It’s so hard to cut through the bullshit on this stuff.
tRuMp iS cEnSoRiNg SoShUl MeEdEeUh!!
In all honesty; yes, they’re private companies. Yes, there is no 1A when it comes to a private enterprise. HOWEVER, these guys get legal protections from libel due to the claim that they are neutral content platforms, not content providers or publishers. I think it’s become very obvious that they are not. Should they be shut down? Of course not. The best course of action is still to just not fucking use them, but they also no longer deserve special status as neutral platforms when they’re clearly not.
Here’s the thing.
Twitter is responsible for what they post themselves. They are *not* responsible for what others post. That’s what Section 230 is about. It’s supposed to encourage moderation, and it says nothing about a requirement of neutrality. I’m not even sure how you’d be able to impose neutrality in this type of thing.
If social media was responsible for the content of what people post on it, it wouldn’t exist. The liability would be far too high. If it did exist, the only way for it to exist would be very heavy moderation, far heavier than what we see now, to actually stay alive. And that includes ANY site that includes user posted content. Like Glibs. If I said “Trump has sex with sheep. I have proof.”, it could technically be actionable, and without 230, Glibs, the site, could be sued.
I understand that; the argument is that by “fact checking” and selectively enforcing their TOS, they are actually editing the content themselves, not the users.
That’s not the way it works.
They’re actually responsible for the fact checks, because it’s their content. But again, I don’t have a problem with it. It’s more speech, which is the preferable response to “bad” speech. If there’s anything actionable within the fact check they can be sued.
But otherwise they’re not really editing. They can keep what they want on their own platform and get rid of what they don’t want. That’s the First Amendment. I support Twitter’s ability to do that for the same reason I support a baker’s decision not to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Their business, their rules.
I’m confused, not trying to be argumentative but genuinely looking for clarification.
Your first comment says they can’t be responsible for what users post which I 100% agree with. But then you say that modifying or enriching that content is not editing and that they actually are supposed to be fact checking *because* it’s their content. Which is it? Is Twitter just a bulletin board at a coffee shop, or is it bulletin board with a mod that flags certain ads as misleading and/or removes certain ads it doesn’t like?
If the former, then they’re a neutral platform. If the latter, then (and IANAL) I would think they become a publisher and are no longer shielded from liability. I’d be happy to be proven wrong, however.
A lot of people confuse Section 230. A site is not just a platform or a publisher. Every site that has user-generated content is both.
They’re a platform when they post their own information. This includes curated content such as the “Explore” tab. This also includes fact checks, like what they posted on Trump’s voting tweet. If anything within those is actionable, Twitter can be sued, Section 230 or no Section 230.
Otherwise, when it comes to user-generated content, they’re a publisher, and as a publisher, they’re free to moderate as they wish (outside of laws that require moderation in certain circumstances). Their moderation, such as deleting posts, does not change anything with respect to Section 230 liability.
Wait, reverse the platform and publisher references above.
And when I say “liability” I don’t mean from the community for what other people post, but from the poster himself.
If they “fact check” a post as false that can be proven as true, would they then be liable to the original poster? That’s my question. Also, if they remove posts not because of the content, but because of the identity of the poster (which would not be a violation of TOS) would that then mean the poster has an action against them?
Their liability to the original poster would depend on our normal speech laws. If it were to rise to the level of libel, then yes, they would be responsible. If not, then no. Speech can be countered with more speech.
As for the second question, they can suspend anyone they want from their site without it being actionable. You don’t have a right to be on Twitter, Section 230 or no Section 230.
they can’t enforce their tos on everyone because Twitter’s users are too many. There are far too many posts. So it’s definitely selective. And the bias is obvious. But it’s not only the right that gets the hammer.
And the sooner individuals get the message that the Government Sanction Fairy isn’t going to some how give them a site that precisely caters to their political sensibilities, the sooner we can move on to making the market choices that will punish twitter for failing to live up to their customers’ expectations.
“I understand that; the argument is that by “fact checking” and selectively enforcing their TOS”
Yeah, when you fact check and opinion with another bunch of stupid and clearly bullshit opinions, is that really fact checking? Me, I think that is far more likely political propagandizing than actually fact fucking checking shit. And no entity demanding 230 protection should be allowed to do that. Either you allow content and shut your fucking mouth & leave the people you hate alone to say whatever stupid shit they want (like you do the people you like), or you are going to be seen as a publisher, which then allows you to police your content, and so on. But you don’t get the best of both worlds just cause you are a monopoly.
“And no entity demanding 230 protection should be allowed to do that.”
I had you until that moment. If Twitter makes false editorial statements that are against, say, libel law, they can be sued. That fact check was their published content, and they can be held liable for it.
What does that have to do with Section 230? We have a remedy to them publishing BS, so why go further to force them to accept liability for the content of other people using the platform?
And by the way, I continue to wonder what people are trying to get here. A world where Twitter loses protections from user-generated content is a world where Glibertarians doesn’t exist. Think about it- Sloopy, an admin and founder of this site, literally posted a Trump tweet and gave a political, non-neutral message on it. Should the operators of this site now be liable for what you or I post in the comments?
The original purpose of Section 230 was for the proliferation of sites like Democratic Underground, Reason, and Glibertarians- where moderation could create communities that succeed or fail according to the market without being hassled by the government.
“I had you until that moment. If Twitter makes false editorial statements that are against, say, libel law, they can be sued. That fact check was their published content, and they can be held liable for it.”
Seems not to be the case however.
We have a remedy to them publishing BS, so why go further to force them to accept liability for the content of other people using the platform?
Because then there is no mechanism for addressing publishers who constantly release damaging bullshit. SLDs about the controversial status of libel laws, but only being able to target the schmuck on the byline isn’t much of a deterrent to keep places like the NYT or WaPo or CBS news from running with any old unsubstantiated claim without any care to whether it’s true or not.
The more that the social media companies adhere to a politically biased editorial stance in the way they moderate, the more they look like the NYT and the less they look like the local bulletin board in the coffee shop.
It’s a gray area, but at some point, the threshold is hit where the liability for allowing false and damaging information stand is imputed to them.
BTW, commenters are liable today for what they say. It’s just a matter of not being worth the lawsuit.
This. They don’t get to be an editorial board and then cry “platform” whenever anything comes up.
They’re both a platform and a publisher. Every site that has user-generated content is both a platform and a publisher.
They’re a platform with respect to what others post.
They’re a publisher with respect to what they post.
That’s it. That’s the only “platform versus publisher” difference in Section 230.
If you edit someone’s post though are you not generating content?
But they edit posts by users.
And that’s something they post, and is therefore actionable if libelous.
But it doesn’t change their status as a platform in other situations.
They are fucking fraudsters so they can get what’s coming. Yes it would be better if Trump just left the platform.
No one has a right to a fucking social media platform.
No one has a right to silence dissent.
Look…. He’s oppressing me! Help, I’m being repressed!!!
Come see the violence inherent in the system!
*blocked and reported
TPTB here have every right to boot someone off of here if they choose. It isn’t up to any of the rest of us, even if we may have our opinions about the wisdom of such a move.
Go dissent somewhere else!
*slams door and pouts
Yes, but they also make the TOS clear and don’t pretend to be a free for all.
Does anyone have the right to tell me not to start/have one?
They don’t need any of that. The new fascist way is for government to collude with industry to pick winners and losers through the use & abuse of the legal system. So good luck with that endeavor. What Rodney Dangerfield’s character told the idiot professor in Back to School when discussing graft and the need to pay off the right people to create the fantasy widget factory….
I want to be clear that your demands to force Twitter to be liable for the content of other users (i.e. “stripping 230 protections”) is the most foolproof way to create a situation where the government colludes with industry to pick winners and losers.
YouTube, Twitter and Facebook are all dragged in front of Congress to answer for why they are or are not moderating content on their platforms. And here we are 2 years later and YouTube is literally censoring videos that disagree with the government. They are pulling videos that are critical of WHO, CDC and state Health departments. Do you think the government is going to punish them for that?
When the government mandates that YouTube moderate in a “content neutral” manner, the government gets to decide what “content neutral” means. When the government is scrutinizing whether videos on your platform are true, the government gets to decide what “true” is.
Stop helping them!
where the government colludes with industry to pick winners and losers
yup: as simple as this
“I want to be clear that your demands to force Twitter to be liable for the content of other users (i.e. “stripping 230 protections”) is the most foolproof way to create a situation where the government colludes with industry to pick winners and losers.”
I made no demands. I pointed out that if Twitter decides to editorialize and claim it is fact checking, it should NOT be allowed to keep claiming it is only a provider for web content and thus not liable for what it says. Especially when what it says more often than not amounts to a lot of opinion based on damned lies. I have not asked for any regulation or change in regulation or asked for government to get more control: I pointed out Twitter was in violation of an existing law, and their status as web content provider – which is what provides them with all sorts of legal immunities not given to publishers – should be revoked. But hey, erect your strawman and beat it to death, if it makes you feel better, brah.
” I pointed out that if Twitter decides to editorialize and claim it is fact checking, it should NOT be allowed to keep claiming it is only a provider for web content and thus not liable for what it says.”
Twitter has never claimed this. Twitter has claimed that it should not be held accountable for what its users post. That is literally the point of Section 230. And by the way, ANY site that provides a platform for user generated content gets the same treatment. Glibertarians, for example, gets the same protection. If the admins post something actionable, they can be held accountable. If users libel Trump, Glibertarians will not be held liable.
Twitter can be held liable for “Fact Checking” Trump if they in some way violated the law. Of course, it is highly likely they did not violate the law. Their “Fact Check” may be politically biased and even wrong, but it requires far more to be libel or some other actionable speech.
” I pointed out Twitter was in violation of an existing law, and their status as web content provider – which is what provides them with all sorts of legal immunities not given to publishers – should be revoked.”
And I am trying to point out that you do not understand the law. Very specifically, publishers *DO* get exactly these same immunities. This site gets those immunities, even though the founders post articles. Reason Online gets these same immunities even though they post political articles. Dem Underground. Washington Post. New York Times. Every single one of those publishers will not be held accountable for “User Generated Content” on their platform. And they will not be held liable for deleting any of that user content that the site owners feel is obscene, illegal, or otherwise objectionable. That is the language of Section 230.
So, WashPo gets its comment section protected, but its articles are not protected. Twitter gets its main platform (tweets) protected, but their blog posts or fact checking sections are not. Mind you, I think what Twitter is doing is stupid. I think it is also ethically unsound, and shows an incredible amount of arrogance. That doesn’t make it illegal. And the sooner people stop trying to get the Government to make them “play fair”, the sooner we can move on to just punishing them in the market.
“open process where the people who are being censored know who is making the decision and what the basis for that decision is.”
So basically the Karens don’t like it when someone else demands to speak to a supervisor.
If you want due process from your social media platform and aren’t receiving it…find another social media platform. Because unless they’re violating their own terms of service, you don’t have a right to demand they do anything different. And if they are, you have the right to sue them in civil court.
It’s called free association. And nobody should be able to compel a private actor’s handling of their business.
Hell, even if the decision of that company is arbitrary and capricious – what fucking damages have you suffered?
President Sleepy Joe and the actions that will be taken to not just protect the deep state, but to take revenge on those that fought it, frightens me far more that crazy orange man being in charge.
My economy got shut down for three months and a communist was nearly the Team Blue nominee. Other than that, not much.
These guys get it.
Related.
Andrew Cuomo
@NYGovCuomo
Today I am signing an Executive Order authorizing businesses to deny entry to those who do not wear masks or face-coverings. No mask – No entry.
You know, this would already be a thing if we just acknowledged the right to freedom of association. Businesses could decide for themselves who to serve and not serve. That said, your e.o. is horseshit. BTW how are NY nursing homes doing?
I was reading over Cuomo’s twitter account yesterday because he put in a ‘no mask, no service’ order like the cynical prick he is. All moves that are not only waaayyyy too late but to distract from his dubious move to send patients with the virus into nursing homes resulting in deaths.
In the thread he posted Chris Rock and Rosie I forget her name feigning reason to emotionally plea for people to wear masks. The strange part was neither was wearing one but both wearing gloves. The Rosie said something along the lines of ‘wearing one says I love you and you love me’. Scientism at its finest. They always follow scientism.
Yeh, totes going to listen to celebrities on this.
Chris makes me laugh. And not in a good way.
Didn’t businesses already have the right to refuse service if someone wasn’t wearing a mask?
Only if they were not members of some protected group.
confused
I think the point is that if you’re a “protected class” (pretty much anything but white male), you can’t be refused service for any reason.
It will interesting to see this actually play out.
*grabs popcorn*
It means they can reserve the right to refuse service to you.
But not if you are a Hispanic, transgender, deaf mute.
Think burka.
One of my asshole neighbors has put up a sign in their front yard that says “GO HOME. SIT. STAY.” I won’t, but I’m very tempted to create a sign that says “FUCK YOU I’M NOT YOUR DOG” and put it next to it.
Do it
Someone in my neighborhood put up a sign like that too. “Stay Home!” I spit on it every time I walk by.
Where do you guys live?
America. Land of the free my fucken balls and ass.
Put up a sign with a picture of a dog with the cone on it. “YOU LICKED YOUR BALLS. WEAR THIS”
Christ, what an asshole.
At least you now know not to share a beer with them.
Friday Funbags brings two scoops of eye popping, bouncy fun.
http://archive.li/M7wdD
I’m back – what did I miss?
One advantage to working at home is I’m getting stuff done around the house instead of hanging on Glibs at work!
Apologies all…
what did I miss?
Well, some people did something.
I love a happy ending.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/florida-man-shoots-kills-home-intruder-who-was-attacking-his-wife/
Didn’t he know that he was a million times more likely to kill his wife by having a gun in the home?
*adds to Covid death statistics*
The only question I have is whether drugs fell out of the intruder’s ass.
Can someone explain to me what the big deal is in the Chicago story? I get that the county land bank thing is stupid and shouldn’t exist, but outside of a couple shady property tax things with an alderman, what other problem is there? The entire stated purpose of the thing was to return distressed properties to the tax rolls, which it is doing. The way that is done is to seize tax delinquent properties or buy from distressed sellers. One would have to be retarded to think handing the properties to distressed buyers is sensible; the entire point is to improve the property and sell it to someone who can afford to keep it up (and keep up with the taxes).
Buried more than halfway in the story: “Most of Renovo’s deals involving the land bank were made before the Daleys invested.”
So, yellow journalism.
Or is that redundant?
Except for the camera, and the microphone, and the whole identifying themselves thing…
Exactly…
Rioters always carry expensive video equipment around. Oldest trick in the book, man.
Sometimes they do….
/Ghost of Ahmad Shah Masood
Good morning, Sloop.
Although it really isn’t. Fuck every one of these ‘protesters’. We finally had an easy route to address the fucking MPD and they fucked it all up.
Soldiers on my streets?
Fuck that.
“We finally had an easy route to address the fucking MPD and they fucked it all up.”
This is what I said yesterday. These “protesters” are worse than useless, they’re counterproductive. It takes all the focus off of police abuse of power and puts it on the rioters. Normies and Karens will welcome *more* police power, not less, because of this.
^
+1
+1
Huh? +2?
Probably true.
The most visible change will be that everyone, all students and staff, must wear a face covering while on campus, especially when gathered in large groups in common areas. Exceptions will be allowed for those with sensory complications or medical issues that might be aggravated by wearing face masks.
I think Coonman’s e.o. has a similar provision. Luckily (?) I have a history of and ongoing sinus issues due to allergic irritation. So I am going to use this excuse. And fuck that tyrannical asshole for claim the health dept was going to “enforce” something that he made a class 1 misdemeanor.
There’s a lot of confusion about Coonman’s order. Some people have said that there’s to be no actual enforcement of it, others disagree. Surprisingly, the VA Association of Police Chiefs wrote him a letter begging him not to pull this bullshit.
His health (or something) goon was on hate-radio this morning. He basically said the same about enforcement right before stating that it is a class 1 misdemeanor, which carries a sentence of up to 12 months in jail and 2500 dollar fine. He also said they “don’t want it to be that way but we want to stress the importance” (paraphrasing…). If you “don’t want it to be that way” you don’t make it a class 1 misdemeanor. This is a power play and they expect police to enforce it. I hope cops do the right thing and basically ignore it. They can easily make a case about prioritizing.
How can an executive order become part of the criminal code? I’d reckon the first person arrested and charged with a misdemeanor will have a good case under the VA constitution. Because passing criminal laws is the sole province of the commonwealth’s legislature.
Wow! It’s like you’ve never heard of the FYTW clause before. It’s in every state’s constitution.
“State of emergency” would be my guess, because fytw.
Don’t worry – Coonman M.D. thought of that. He’s reconvening the General Assembly in a few weeks so that they can pass a law giving him all sorts of new emergency powers, which undoubtedly will be retroactive as well.
Also they have yet to realize that all the privileged whiteys are gonna show up in their nice masks and all the minorities are gonna get the living shit fined out of them.
So…(East) Richmond, Portsmouth, and Norfolk will have task forces while Short Pump, Charlottesville, and Staunton cops just ignore it?
Sounds about right.
Guess I’ll drive over to Short Pump to go to the grocery store, then!
Actually, the Karen ratio is going to be sky-high over there with all the rich-bitch busybodies sticking their noses in everyone’s business. Might be better off staying up here.
That’s pretty much how all these laws are enforced, and it amazes me that no one realizes it. Petty fines go to the poor areas where all the police are.
all these laws
If this were a law, my response would be “then vote out your delegates and state senators”. But it’s not a law. It’s rule by diktat. And the people don’t even have recourse by popularly removing him from office (since he can’t run for re-election).
Fuck that fascist fuck.
My sensory complication is I’m always smelling bullshit.
Not surprised about the Boston Marathon. I fully expect Montreal to do the same. I hope to run one this year somewhere. Just as a ‘fuck you’ to the world.
I said 2020 was a write off. The fear and irrational behavior has set in. No way you’re going to get people off that in time. I had a friend ask if I was putting in plexiglass at the daycare to protect ourselves from people. I told him no and where the fuck was I going to put it anyway? I’m not going to surrender to this idiocy. At this point, if I get it, I get it. The probabilities are low anyway and if I do get it, the chances of it being brutal are also small. So….why should I stress? Oh right, they’re working the ‘think of others’ angle.
My buddy was telling me at the bank he works his boss was saying get used to the protocols until a vaccine comes or the government relaxes social distancing rules.
Superstition rules now. Simple as that.
Too bad about MiLB. Sounds like those players are about to take it in the teeth. Sounds like MLB is taking advantage of this pandemic to overhaul the minor league system they had been talking about for a while.
In fact, businesses are going to use the pandemic to do what they wanted to do but couldn’t because it would have been difficult. Heard yesterday Nissan shut down their plant in Barcelona – the largest in Europe – because of lack of sales or something like that. Could be a coincidence but I’m sure the pandemic makes that decision easier.
Then there’s the strange case of Prince Edward Island and its TWO KNOWN CASES OF COVID-19. They’re phasing in opening their economy. What economy? The McCain and Cavendish potatoes farms and the Anne of Green Gables museum? That’s a perfect example of ‘herd policy.
Great post, Rufus.
PEI: Shows what petty tyrants 99% of office holders want to be when they can get sufficient cover/excuse.
MiLB: Ultimately this is a good thing. Lunhow might be an asshole, but he was absolutely right that MLB organizations are bloated with too many players whose sole purpose is to field a roster so the good prospects can play games. I don’t know if MLB will have the balls to impose a limit of professional player contracts like the NHL has, but in the long run everybody will be better off – and the sport will be healthier – if everything below AA is independent and the independent operators are allowed to sell a player contract to a willing buyer. I can’t believe any independent operator would want to sign a minor league player for more than two years unless they’re a veteran who lives in the area. There’s better ways to handle high school and college bonus babies than throwing them into the 7-games a week bush league grind – better to send them into a training camp and ramp them up. I don’t know if this would clean up the exploitation that goes on in the Caribbean, but it might reduce it a bit.
Didn’t the A’s catch some flack last year when they wanted to kill the $400 stipend for minor league players in the farm system?
MLB is taking advantage of this pandemic
This has been in the works, and how else should it be. I live within walking distance of the greatest AAA team and facility in the system, and I’d love for it to continue to flourish. But I side with . . . . . . . everyone. Baseball is a market, and if you don’t want a shot at making millions in MLB, you shouldn’t play for them. And if you don’t like their leagues, owners, and rules, you should start your own.
MLB is a grind, a one in a million deal, no different from any other sport, the arts, and of a number of enterprises where most folk don’t get rich. But it is a meritocracy: if you are truly excellent, there is nothing in the system that can keep you from becoming rich. In that way, it is ideal, the very standard we should hold up.
On the other hand, baseball has a problem with the fanbase aging and a trend of kids being less interested in baseball. Axing a bunch of minor league teams, which are entirely geared to being kid-friendly, is going to turn baseball into even more of a regional sport with graying fans.
That’s a result of MLB controlling far too much of the sport. Although I would say part of the problem is organized youth baseball putting too much emphasis on all-star travel teams – this has pushed the game for the other 90% of youth into a stupid March-May schedule instead of the May-July schedule that was used 40 years ago.
That’s a good point and underscores a more general trend: if you didn’t play, you won’t watch (probably explains at least half of the interest). Loss of sport as the main childhood sport means no one grows up in the game in the US.
There is no shortage of excellent players . . . from the Latin realm, for example. The shortage is of viewers: who can only be home-grown.
Yeah, this is true. Travel teams are bullshit. Not quite as bad as the horror show that is Canadian junior hockey, but not good at all.
I’ve always wondered about the CHL’s model moving forward. What’s your biggest beef with it?
I really do think you should have two brochures printed up, Rufus. Actually, just print out an ad for one of those hamster mega-playgrounds with the tubes and hamster balls. And then cross out any reference to “hamster” and replace it with “your precious Child” and glue little faces of kids on the hamster heads.
If someone comes in obviously obsessed with the level of mask wearing in your establishment, you can hand them the hamster brochure and tell them that place is down the street. Anyone else gets the brochure from your place.
Lol.
We open up June 1. We’ll be very interesting.
I’ll be observing people for sure.
My sister has been prepping and gauging people with surveys while taking calls. So far it seems everyone is alright. They need to get back to work. The number #1 complaint? Besides, their homes don’t have designated works space? Their kids are regressing big time.
We’re known to have a very good and effective bi-lingual education program and thought the parents knew this, now it’s firmly confirmed.
‘Work space’ and ‘Though’.
Ugh.
Oh no, my friend. I saw that “designated works space”… Imma need to see your union contract.
/Clerk of the Works
“Their kids are regressing big time.”
Absofuckinglutely.
My youngest gets maybe a half hour of busy work each day. My middle gets about 2 hours. The former is in 2nd grade, and is literally just reading and practicing writing. Maybe memorizing some new math facts. Other than that, zero instruction. The middle kid gets one new math video a week. My Middle Schooler is getting a decent amount of instruction.
If they pull this shit again next year, I’m just putting them in a private distance learning school.
And this Zoom leaning is turning out to be a big dud. My wife is a teacher. She’s a trooper but let’s get real.
Not gonna work. Then there’s all these issues with logging on.
The schools MUST be open in September. Don’t make the kids pay for our fears.
My baby was up extra early, so she slept on me for the final hour. Which meant I didn’t get breakfast. So now I’m at work eating the pudding I keep at work for snacks.
This is being an adult?
Welcome to the Machine
Yup.
And you’ll never get the last Oreo or slice of pizza again.
Wait till you start eating the meat left on the chicken bones because the kid doesn’t know to do, so as not to let it go to waste.
I’ll be my father in no time.
“No dont throw that toast out. I’ll eat it.”
“Dad, I burned it to death. ”
“It’s fine, ill eat it.”
Do you have any idea how much bread costs? This isn’t the beforetimes, you know!
I swear one time he scraped the burnt bits off with a knife for a good half hour.
A half hour of my time is worth more than that bread costs.
Yes, but then you have to go find your income earning gloves and put them on, and it turns into a whole ordeal.
Wait until you show up for a meeting with baby barf on your back.
The best of times, though.
Morning, Sloopy!
Okie dokie, folks. Cods & Cuntes is for sale. All acknowledgment requests were honored. It’s not in print yet so it can be easily changed. Drop your requests here.
I’d like to make sure my acknowledgment gets a larger font size than everyone else’s.
Don’t do it, Mo.
No can do, sorry. Ruins the aesthetic.
I just feel that my despicableness needs to be further emphasized. I’m not sure the readers will fully comprehend how awful I am and i’m worried about that.
There were a couple of glibs who claimed to be more despicable than you. If you want a bigger font, you’re gonna have to step it up.
I voted for GWB once, is that enough?
O.
M.
G.
banginglc1is the real life villain that even Sugar Free doesn’t dare to write.
He’s a real-life Bond villain: Shitfinger
I snort-laughed.
Shiiiiiiiitfinnnnga!
He’s the man with the turdy touch!
Are we discussing Fingerbang’s penchant for missing the pink and landing in the stink again?
Hmm . . it seems that I’ve been doxxed.
Got it on muh Kindle.
Thank you!
Cods and Cuntes
Is this part of the Fisherman’s Wife anthology?
You’re thinking of For the Halibut
I thought it was the General Hospital book. Sturgeons and Nurses
You mean that one’s not Eel Appeal?
For the Halibut
Lobster But Flounder
LOL, no.
Awesome, Mo. Just picked up a copy. Looking forward to giving it a read.
Thank you!
Kind of bummed the title is not really Cods & Cuntes …
Would that sell to romance readers at large?
Or maybe my comment was a joke?
Unpossible.
I think you mean Inpossible.
Let me tell you. I was tempted. Very, VERY tempted to do exactly that.
Did you know that the Description (Where you click “Read More”) repeats the same text twice?
I did not! I will fix it, thank you!
Is it (or will it be) available from B&N for both of us who still use Nooks? Or, barring that, in EPUB format directly from the author?
Yes. Nook is slow getting stuff up. I put it up in 6 places. Of those 6, two have not finished processing yet, Nook and Google Play.
Today I learned that Tenzing Norgay, and that chap he pulled up, made the Everest summit on Norgay’s 39th birthday.
Was it ass-less?
Perdition to Conspirators! Magnificent 14-Barrel Flintlock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivdlcHUwaEw
they don’t make em like they used to
Was Breonna Taylor black? The article didn’t mention it so I assume she was white. I need to know so I know how outraged I need to be.
She and her boyfriend, who fired on the cops (and lived), are both black.
Hey guys! Looks like the COVID was here in Ohio as far back as January. So the lockdown orders started two fucking months late to do anything.
Something I though of on the way home, will the anger come back next year when the rescheduled events start happening again?
how do they even really know?
They scienced it.
Depends on how accurate you consider the antibodies test.
Because it’s not called Covid-20?
I’m also irritated by doctors who push masks especially this late in the game.
They’re ADDING to the fear and irrational behavior.
No, because Trump won’t be running for president again. They’ll be moving on to the next strategy to take the WH.
I saw it late, but thanks Mojeaux, I appreciate my acknowledgement in the new book.
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The riots have turned ladydoom full libertarian.
I come home to her ranting about authoritarianism and if people wanted to stop police violence, they shouldn’t be filming it while standing around but instead kick the officer off the man’s neck.
I think my proposal about buying more guns will be approved by the house.
Awesome!
Excellent!
DOOMco: Hands ladyDoom not
LadyDOOM: Looks at note reads 1st line: “A modest proposal”
DOOMco: waits with boyish excitement
LadyDOOM: “You’ve already proposed to me, request denied”
DOOMco: kicks pebble and takes out trash
*note
Hey! I like eavesdropping, and I can let myself out!
The actions and responses have become so predictable at this point that I don’t find any of these stories ultimately about police abuse anymore. This is about scaring people and getting control. CNN, MSNBC, the race hustlers, the community organizers: they don’t want the police reformed; they’re not looking for a renewed focus in police training and procedure towards protecting Americans’ rights; and they certainly don’t want law enforcement officers held accountable for individual misdeeds. What they want is the police under their control and the populace believing they’re safer off for it. This is the model that’s been applied to the IC, to the military, to Federal law enforcement, and to state and local law enforcement as well. And they want all of the people working for these institutions to believe that the courts and the legislature will never challenge them. This is how you affect a coup (bit of an auto-coup, really), not how you return government to its Constitutional roots. For every starry-eyed activist (read: useful idiot), for every looter, there’s someone in or around the halls of power who wants to turn this to their advantage.
I think there is some reason for optimism (SC hearing QI cases, possible non-renewal of domestic spying powers) but I’m starting to wonder if it won’t be too little, too late.
“What they want is the police under their control and the populace believing they’re safer off for it.”
Don’t forget that they also want law abiding citizens disarmed to make sure this approach to tyrannical control works well… For them.
Even the disarming is more about power than it is about, well, disarming. Timothy McVeigh aside, they don’t fear people with guns really. But they do want to show who’s really in charge.
(and yes, McVeigh used a bomb)
She’s right, but if someone had even pushed the cop over, they and everyone within 90 degrees of them would have died in a hail of bullets.
Probably.
She thinks it’s worth it. She was pretty pissed that people stood around going “oh no, don’t do that” but don’t have the courage to actually try to stop it.
I can’t blame someone for not wanting to escalate violence. But she had a point. At least in the philosophical.
This is worth reading:
https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/watching-a-murder
In a just society, an armed citizen would have shot the fucker.
That’s basically what she was saying. We need a culture that’s much more accepting of citizen arrests, or defense of the people getting the boot.
We also need a ton of laws taken down so police don’t get these interactions.
Oh Sweet Meteor Of Death I implore you
Come wipe the Earth of it’s dew
The passengers here have gone askew
And it looks like time to start anew
They’ve yearned, learned and discerned
Now everything is needing burned
The best shot was given
But failure it was, not even being hidden
A quick sweet death just like the dinosaurs
For a new start, maybe this time it will be insectovores
Bye, Amy. We barely knew ya.
Between 1999 and 2007, Klobuchar declined to press charges against more than a dozen police officers accused of killing civilians.
Whether or not Klobuchar made the right call in refusing to prosecute Derek Chauvin or in refusing to prosecute other police officers in excessive force cases, it seems likely this connection will bump her off of Joe Biden’s shortlist. Especially after his infamous “You ain’t black” comments, Biden cannot afford to alienate black voters any more than he already has.
I think that is correct.
it probably is and probably should be
I didn’t know, but I knew that she was a prosecutor . . . and that’s how prosecutors roll
Like they will not find a way to project and blame someone else?
How many examples like this will it take to sway the people that keep putting these team blue cuntes in power? Based on places like California, NYC, Baltimore, Detroit, Washington D.C., and so on, and how they just double down on more of the same, I think nothing will change. Yeah, maybe Amy gets thrown under the bus, but my bet is they will actually claim this gives her more glorified creds even if it flies in the face of any logic or facts.
Truth > Facts, comrade.
The Republicans are preventing them from reforming the police in the totally blue cities.
^ That’s the narrative right there. Doesn’t have to make a damn bit of sense, as long as they stick with it.
It works for California.
I’ve had this argument with some friends out in Cali. They would drink the Kool-Aid and blame the five remaining CA Republicans in office for their death.
Hello VP Stacy Abrams then or, barring that, Susan Rice.
I’d like to say there’s no way an idiot like Abrams or an obvious corruptocrat like Rice could be President, but . . . .
It will be Whitmer.
They should choose carefully who Biden’s VP is. If–somehow–he gets elected, I don’t think his few remaining brain cells will last a year in the White House.
I would make Joe to be the first candidate to have a real chance at erasing Harrison from the record books.
Given Biden’s track record of filling the jails with minority folks who self-medicated, why would Amy’s activities alienate Dem base voters?
It is swing-state voters, not base voters, that they need to worry about.
In 2006 Amy Klobuchar Failed to Charge Police Officer Derek Chauvin After Shooting Death of Native American
She didn’t file against that cop. Again, I have no idea if it was appropriate or not, but she’s done.
In my inbox this morning:
Interesting. The point that gets lost in all the weeds is that free speech (1A is not what I’m talking about) is a right because of the benefits it creates. Robust debate means you need dissenting opinions and whether or not Twitter curating its users’ content or not and thus making them a publisher or a simply a platform is irrelevant to that point. In keeping with the spirit of the entire concept of free speech, they should be moving as close as possible to unlimited free speech. They aren’t and so I think Twitter is a bunch of scum bag cowards/activists. No shirt, no shoes, no service. No threats, no libel, no service.
Just to show how big of Assholes Twitter is, this is still up. At a minimum, they are complete hypocrites.
https://twitter.com/oliviagatwood/status/1266231558047846400
Actually, it isn’t now.
It’s a broader cultural trend away from free speech, driven by postmodernism but reinforced by mob mentality and fear..
I think people underestimate the influence of the advertisers in this equation. Large corporations don’t want to be on the receiving end of a cultural lynch mob for offending someone, so they put pressure on their ad agencies which then put pressure on Youtube, etc… to make sure their ads don’t show up in front of a Stefan Molyneaux video. Youtube responds by demonetizing the undesirables so that no ads show up on those guys, thus YT gets accused of restricting speech when in reality, they’re reacting to the monetary incentive.
There are advertisers who would gladly have their ads appear before these same videos. Choosing not to optimise their ad-content matching and instead demonetize wrongthink is totally within Alphabet’s sphere.
The other solution is “we put ads on videos. We don’t pick, and it doesn’t matter. If you buy ad space, it will go on any video on the platform.”
You can charge more for targetted ads that go in front of the eyeballs of the demographics more likely to buy the product.
But when I Google “VW” I start getting vw ads in front of any video.
If I Google “Pepsi” and then watch a bad think video, am I no longer the target audience of that ad?
That broader cultural trend is basically towards protecting ourselves from ourselves. But Pinker would say it’s all fine cuz we got better stuff now. We need a massive dose of stoicism to get people to see what is really important.
Pinker touched on some truth once and the intelligentsia lambasted him for it. Now he tows the lion.
We need a massive dose of stoicism to get people to see what is really important.
Most people don’t have a worldview that is compatible with stoicism. You have to believe in higher principles and truths for stoicism to sound like anything but anhedonism gussied up with convenient rationalizations.
I’ve never though of stoicism as anhedonic. You are not supposed to pursue pleasure for its own sake, but you’re not supposed to reject it completely, either. I think adopting the full Stoic ethos requires a lot more framework, but the basic essence of stoicism, of not being a slave to pleasure or pain, requires no particular external beliefs. Indeed, I think it works the other way around; being stoic can give you a clearer head to consider and examine higher order ideas.
You are not supposed to pursue pleasure for its own sake, but you’re not supposed to reject it completely, either.
You’re taking that message into a culture of unthinking hedonists with a complete inability to perceive nuance. Anything short of “follow your heart” is considered anhedonic.
I go on FB and people are always posting inspirational messages about being happy with what you have etc. Yet, if you make the cut back on the life they are accustomed to they freak out. So the govt goodies keep flowing, the debt keeps rising and the resentment bubble inflates more and more.
“Section 230 protects American companies from foreign authorities with far less liberal speech regimes than our own. “
Not an expert, but I don’t think it works that way.
And this is the problem with “build your own.” Building a software platform is not actually the hard part.
Ridiculous.
Gab has a website. There is nothing stopping Apple or Google users from accessing it. And if you don’t want anyone curating your “apps” there are alternatives.
Thank God for rednecks!
-Tallahassee
Loot
Shoot
Loop
Boot
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These morons have not figured out yet that orange man goads them into acting and then buries them for doing stupid shit…
…
Humidity is up to 77% at the airport, Ugh. No wonder the air feels like soup here.
Please, looming thunderstorms, sweep through and take this humidity with you!
Coronavirus: Monkeys ‘escape with COVID-19 samples’ after attacking lab assistant
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-monkeys-escape-with-covid-19-samples-after-attacking-lab-assistant-11996752
Now we’re doomed. I’ve seen this movie.
Is this the CCP’s new defense of how the Wu Tang Flu got out?
They are the Hate Birds of the primate world!
I am convinced that the young squirrels hear the pellet gun and react before the pellet gets there at distances more than 50 feet. Those little bastards have uncanny reaction times.
Get a sling shot and shoot acorns with tranqs
I read somewhere that little critters process light and sound faster than people.
It could be wrong, it is the internet after all.
Shorter pathways, less cognition commited to deciding on an action.
Oh, and those with poor reaction times have already been gobbled up by predators.
Squirrels!
Repeal this shit already!
They’ll kill all reform to the intel agencies. Guaranteed.
I’d put money that the agencies are influencing multiple members with differing proposals so that reconciliation never occurs.
All they have to do is get a pile of unrelated bullshit in the bill to make sure it gets no support. I haven’t read many bills in my life, but some of the dozen or so I have read were titled one thing while more than half either was completely unrelated or had sections which carved out so many exceptions as to be the exact opposite of what the title purpose was.
Liz tries really hard to be worse than her father. Authoritarian bitch that she is.
Lol.
Warren may be the scariest of them all. She’s a no-shit totalitarian.
They are all the scariest of them all in their own special way. Give any one of them total power and we would look like Venezuela or China overnight.
a hate-for-profit machine that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracy theorists
But enough about NPCNN/MSDNC.
about how social media platforms should essentially allow politicians to lie without consequences
Such as about their heritage, which they used to advance their careers? This cunte wants to censor political speech. I’ll reiterate, Democrats are insane authoritarians that cannot be allowed to have power.
Whenever anyone describes a statement as “essentially” saying something, you can be pretty sure that’s not what it says.
We need to destroy the first amendment in order to save it.
Didnt the 9th circuit just rule that very thing?
Sure. Why not?
They do that every fucking week, man…
Warren Has some of the more unhinged tweets of the “mainstream” left politicians.
Unhinged, yes, but that parenthetical description of Fox News is thoroughly entertaining.
Oh noes!
Give her some credit, she knows about lying without consequences.
I don’t know about the riots. Is it likely that anything would be done with the MPD even if the riots hadn’t broken out? It sounded like the DA had a press conference saying criminal charges aren’t supported by the video.
I get the rioters. They’ve been shit on and brutalized by the police for decades. They finally have video proof to show the world of what they’ve already known goes on regularly in their neighborhoods, and nothing will come of it. Why not say “fuck it” and start destroying in response? It’s similar to prisoners having a riot and burning their mattresses. It’s pretty much the only outlet available to them. They see society as their enemy because that same society supports the police that are destroying their communities. I may not agree but I get it. I have no illusions that Target gives a fuck about inner city demographics and neither do they.
That’s not to say the rioters are justified in rioting, assault, and destruction of private property. If I had a store there, I wouldn’t hesitate to defend my property with lethal force. I just don’t think that this video would have driven any sort of meaningful reform with police brutality and the rioters realize that and have said fuck it then.
Why not say “fuck it” and start destroying in response?
Targeting private property, which has no relation to the incident, the government and law enforcement is not ok. Looters/rioters get no sympathy from me. And they are counter-productive in that they will cause an even greater crackdown simply because they will have made it necessary.
Targeting private property
Paging Switzy…
Targeting private property, which has no relation to the incident, the government and law enforcement is not ok.
I said that explicitly.
I didn’t read to the end.
There are a lot of ANTIFA/angry young men types/thrill seekers up there looking to cause or be part of an historic disturbance.
I sympathize with them and I understand the rioting too but I also realize that it’s probably the stupidest course of action they could have possibly chosen. People will want a more strict police presence after this, not less, and nothing good will come of it.
Yep, same with prisoners rioting and burning their own shit. Makes no sense and will only harm them. You’re looking at a group of people who feel their backs are against the wall with no options.
People tend to forget that the majority of residents in such areas *support* the cops, because they think that’s what will get rid of the gangs and drug dealers.
I understand their anger. However, I have no respect for them.
Inner cities are a giant crab bucket where everyone trying to get out gets pulled back in so they can all get boiled together. They have no concept of what freedom actually means because they’ve been taught by the government and by their own families only how to be dependent and work the system.
They’re pissed that the system that feeds them, houses them and schools them is also an abusive father, but can’t figure out that the only solution is to leave home. Instead they burn down and loot the neighbor’s house because they’re envious.
These riots — incidentally — are another major police failure. If they don’t protect private interest why exactly do we have these guys again?
Yes, I completely agree – although I suspect the police were ordered to stand down. From the live streams I saw, they didn’t seem to have any sort of presence in those areas from the time they left the police station that burned (maybe 10 pm?) to about 4 or 5 am when they and the NG came in when things were pretty much winding down due to the coming daylight.
The mayor of Minneapolis seems to be completely useless, I get the impression that his strategy was just to let things go
When the going get tough, the blue line bitches out and leaves you hanging to dry. especially if it’s their fault the riots are occurring.
I doubt it would have driven any sort of meaningful reform either – because while a non-trivial percentage of police behavior may be due to racism, I don’t think it’s the only driving factor.
Minneapolis police shot and killed an Australian woman sitting in her car awhile ago; as I remember they were called because of a suspected prowler, they saw her in her car, approached, and just shot her (maybe scared of her sudden movement). As I recall the police officer who pulled the trigger was Somalian.
Did their response to the protests from that incident change anything? Apparently not.
I watched some of the live streams of the rioters and looters last night, I don’t think there was any sort of thinking beyond wanting free stuff and wanting to destroy things for about 99% of the participants.
One of my theories is that the riot is also driven by a lot of pent up energy from the lockdown (and it is Spring in Minnesoda when we all lose our minds anyhow).
How many of those looters/rioters are outside and having a blast for the first time in months. How much resentment was there from being ordered to cower in place and losing their jobs?
Yeah, I think you’re right
The Northtown Mall is a hike from where the original riots started. They appear to have figured out, that the looting in the suburbs is better because it probably has better stuff and doesn’t wreck their neighborhood. The downside is that the suburban cops might not be as cool with looting as their big city cops. My guess is the mayor of Blaine is going to be more OK with some looters being shot than the mayor of Blaine. And it shouldn’t be surprising, the constituents in those cities have diametrically opposed opinions on that topic.
Everyone I’ve talked to in our suburb has gone from fully supporting the protesters to condemnation of them. The turn toward looting suburban malls is going to go very badly today or tomorrow if it keeps up. It should be remembered that it was the farmers and small town rubes in Northfield, Minnesoda that used their own weapons to shoot the piss out of the James gang.
That pawn shop guy got arrested for shooting a looter IIRC. Think that might send a message not to defend your property to vigorously?
It sends the message that the government will imprison you for defending yourself and your property in order to sate the mob.
I guarantee there were some politicians who were happy that happened because it redirected attention away from them and the cops and towards the “capitalist pigs” exploiting the downtrodden.
I understand Jimbo. I think my point is that the ultimate outcome doesn’t matter if people support or condemn the protesters. Nothing would have changed regarding the police without the riots or with the riots. The law enforcement rot is too deep and too intertwined with the political class.
Stay safe out there. It may come down to the Suburbanites to contain it.
What is sad is that the current police chief had been getting high marks from most locals.
When we fired the last of our super intersectional hired by a search committee police chiefs (when she refused to end her vacation after the cop shot the aussie gal) the city put Arrondo in charge. He was a local guy who came up through the ranks.
He’s done far better than the super PC-correct losers we’ve had there before. I’m not sure the rot is any worse in Mpls than it is in any big city where the union protects shit heels.
I’m not sure the rot is any worse in Mpls
It might be less rotted, even
I don’t think you can reform such institutions: your chief probably never had a chance (certainly not a job I’d take).
This is like M&A: you target an institution because it has valuable assets, clients, and potential; you move in an gut the place, and you bring in your own people trained to the new standard to target only the narrow focus to get the job done profitably.
Most PD everywhere must be taken down to the studs and rebuilt to the new design . . . maybe down to the slab.
from fully supporting the protesters to condemnation of them
I also condemn violence, which is most of what we’re seeing
but that is a far different thing from peaceful protesters
a lot of these discussions conflate the two: but they are different people
The modern left is a very strange cult with so many illogical and conflicting beliefs it must cause madness.
The deep blue Governor and Mayor really got off on total lockdown totalitarianism, despite the relatively few cases of commie cough. I bet they were brutal on anyone trying to open a “non-essential” business.
But – they never took any kind of imitative to change police discipline, training, or recruiting to prevent this kind of thuggish behavior – they seem to embrace it. But when it blows up in their faces, they are pussies who can’t / won’t stop the rioting because that would appear to be racist. Every deep blue city seems to have the same sort of asshole army of cops – reporting to a blue politician who pretends to be against police brutality.
Cheers to your good day, Sloop! They are few and far between in these troubled times. I’ll take it as a tiny win even though we don’t know each other from Adam. It’s nice when good things happen to decent people. Skoal! Check out my new avatar. Ain’t she a beaut?
That literally took me an hour and a half to accomplish because i am drunk and illiterate.
Lol. Classic Festus.
If it makes me giggle like a schoolgirl, it’s all good.
Which part was glorifying violence? When he said he’d send the military in? Or shooting in response to theft & property destruction (never mind that it appears to be just as much about rhyming)?
Go look on twitter. The amount of tweets glorifying violence are staggering. Classic case of pick and choose. Twitter should not get to editorialize without repercussions.
I agree. But the repercussions should only extend to Trump ending his voluntary association with them.
Nah, any special protections to this private entity for it’s actions need to go as well. All should be the same under the law, no exceptions.
What special protections does this private entity enjoy that others don’t?
Section 230
Section 230 applies to every “interactive computer service”, not just Twitter.
All should be the same under the law, no exceptions.
They already are.
There wouldn’t be a section 230 if it was for everyone.
If you mean that the law should be consistent for both “computer things” and “non-computer things” (like print newspapers, magazines, etc.) then I don’t disagree. That is already established law through the courts, though, in the form of editorial protection (if you didn’t write it but you did publish it, then the writer and not you is liable for any defamation).
Section 230 was “necessary” to codify that that reasoning also applies to “interactive computer services” as well. In the present day, that primarily means websites and mobile apps but it has meant other things in the past (in the heyday of Gopher, Usenet, old school Email, chat rooms, BBSes, etc.). Nowadays we don’t think of computer things as being so distinct from non-computer things, but early on judges and lawmakers found computer things “lesser” than non-computer things.
I could see a case for broadening the wording of the status, but that would be simply to codify what already exists.
statute* not status
The NYT gets to pick and choose too – you going after them next?
Yes. Everyone. “I’m” not going after anyone. Nor do I want the state to. I want freedom and justice for all. No special protections. If you do something against the Constitution or the law you should be held accountable. The NYT does have an editorial function and opinion section and that’s fine, that doesn’t mean their news should be sacrosanct if it editorializes, gives opinion or defames people.
Have you ever considered re-branding yourself as scrambled-eggs?
Suck my scrambled eggs.
Trump could as easily sue them for libel as he could anybody else. Not because of the editing but because of what they actually wrote.
Doesn’t sound like special protections to me.
This. Go to Gab. Cut Twitter off at the knees.
https://twitter.com/oliviagatwood/status/1266231558047846400
*waits for Twitter…
You might want to pack a blanket and some snacks.
I assume all the tweets from tankies glorifying the actual looting (real violence) stay up without a warning? But saying lawless violence will be met with defensive actions is bad, bad, bad.
He needs to just tell Twitter very publicly that he won’t continue to drive traffic to their corrupt site and move on to another platform. The words “fuck you!” Should be prominent.
Too bad I think he’s ruled out leaving Twitter. I think he’s wrong that he can only end run the DemOp media on Twitter, but this is kind of his wheelhouse.
It could also be viewed as a statement of fact although I don’t think that was his intention. When the rioting begins the shooting actually does start.
Seems like a clear-cut case of defamation. Of course, thanks to NYT v. Sullivan, good luck proving actual malice.
Hahahahahahahaha – defamation? Of Trump? What strange timeline is this?
He’s actually sued over it many times in the past (and sometimes won). Though, in this case, re-reading 47 U.S.C § 230, there is this bit:
None of it glorified violence. And, the irony is that they would not be legally allowed to remove the Tweet anyway, considering a court decision that made Trump’s tweet part of the public record. Reap what you sow, assholes.
I wouldn’t be surprised for the courts to invent a loophole to their nonsensical ruling.
You know how we talk about the left and their devotion to narrative…
If they apply that standard to US foreign military actions, I might be amenable.
What upsets me about the Riots is that they are always called Protestors by the News Media. And then you get people trying to make it look like these people are better behaved than the protestors at the state capitols, because those guys brought guns!!!1!!!!!!!!UNO
People that have guns but don’t use them are dangerous. People who don’t have guns but destroy things are fine.
Healthy people should wear masks only if caring for coronavirus patients, WHO says
“If you do not have any repository symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask,” Dr. April Baller, a public health specialist for the WHO, says in a video on the world health body’s website. “Masks should only be used by health care workers, caretakers or by people who are sick with symptoms of fever and cough.”
The recommendation differs from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which urges individuals to wear a mask or face covering in public settings, regardless of infection or not, to limit the spread of the virus.
Wait two weeks on this too.
Left media will ignore this one or suddenly decide to recognize the WHO is the garbage organization it is.
Give it a month and the WHO will be advocating snorting hydroxychloroquine. Just use your own common sense and you’ll do better than they can seem to manage.
I assume everything coming out of WHO at this point in regards to the virus is at the behest of their Chinese masters.
I believe this message from the WHO represents the best scientific evidence on wearing face masks. They never had any evidence that masks were necessary three months ago, nothing in the science of face mask wearing has changed since then.
Facial Profiling vs Mask Shaming
“Boston Strong”
Some honest conversations seen asking if the Boston Tea Party was a legitimate protest action if property is so sacred.
I think arson is always wrong: you could kill somebody.
No probably Not. There was a lot of shit that went down. Idealist me is on the “that’s not right”. Realist me is in the /shrug and say “Their is no justice in this world”. I can still be sympathetic to the Sons of Liberty because i’m a patriot, even if i think their methods were immoral. But maybe that is special pleading on my part.
The Boston Tea Party was the destruction of tea belonging to the British East India Company. Not exactly a private company.
I like this a lot
Yeah I looked it up because I couldn’t remember the details. The EIC was exempted from the taxes every other tea importer had to pay. So it was a very targeted and specific action. They didn’t throw all the tea in the harbor, they didn’t throw all the British tea in the harbor, they specifically tossed in the tea of the quasi governmental monopoly crony company.
They also replaced the lock they broke to get to the tea.
Dressing like Elizabeth Warren was prescient.
I think the more relevant distinction is who the “protest action” is directed against. The Boston Tea Party was pretty scrupulous to only attack the East India Company tea. That’s why, honestly, the burning of the police precinct doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the looting of Target, or the burning of the McDonald’s, Wendy’s or Autozone. They had nothing to do with it. Why should they be punished by the mob?
Burning the precinct doesn’t bother me at all. Target, however, had fuck-all to do with George Floyd.
Another thing annoying. No arrests of the cops made. They get to walk free, while the DA and their cop friends try to cover for them. Even if they were somehow innocent of murder, the evidence was enough to have them arrested, and go through the same process anyone else would have been.
All four of the police will be reinstated with back pay because they followed police training.
I don’t know if it’s true, I haven’t been following things closely, but one article I saw claimed that neck restraint was policy?
Well, not neck restraint, neck crushing via the knee.
I have heard several police officers point out that from the video it is clear that the guy with his knee on the victim’s neck was NOT putting any of his weight on his back leg, which is a dead giveaway that they were NOT following the procedure here. That and the fact that he did it to someone already cuffed (which should have been thrown into the back of the patrol car) AND kept it up for over 7 mins, will kill that defense that he was following training. Not saying they won’t try to claim that he followed procedure & training, but he will get killed for trying to go with that.
That makes sense, thanks for the info.
This isn’t an amazing insight, but the cop doesn’t have any defense
Why didn’t he put the cuffed suspect in the back of the police car he was literally inches away from?
I think that’s what really hangs him, here.
It’s just mind boggling
Because he was getting off on it.
No other reason. It was absolutely unnecessary.
I was told that SOP training says that once you have cuffed someone, the only recourse at that point expected is to put the person in the back of the patrol car. Dropping them to the ground, placing them in a neck hold like this, then using all your body weight to choke the guy, is nothing short of trying to cause damage. Do it for 67 mins and you have gone from damage to killing.
I will not be surprised that as the story linked below, that the officer knew/worked together, to eventually learn that this police officer had a problem with Floyd and he saw a chance to get revenge.
Should be 6-7 mins, not 67 mins..
I am just noting, that this is the most common outcome in the rare occasions when police are actually fired for hurting the populace.
Supposedly, if you do it correctly, it won’t kill someone.
Which to me, is analogous to shooting someone with a buckshot load from a 12 gauge with the defense “I thought it was loaded with a beanbag round!!!!!”
I think it was in San Fran that a cop thought she had the taser in her hand, but actually had her pistol and killed the guy.
Not this time. Stakes are too high.
The two rookie cops might escape being charged. From what I’ve heard they were the backup that arrived later. The kneeler is going to get murder charges for sure. No one I’ve talked to here would accept anything less. His partner is probably going to get some sort of manslaughter charge.
Just the fact that they were all fired is amazing. I think that people who haven’t followed police abuse crap like we have don’t realize how rare it is for a cop to get fired.
But yeah, the people I’ve talked to about this are all pissed that the cop wasn’t locked up – like any of us would have been – while the investigation is being done.
If they locked them up, which they should because no one is above the law, it immediately might possibly lead to shenanigans from the Police Union. Agree with your assessment on the charges.
I’m more sympathetic to cops in fast developing situations than some here are. I like to watch lots and lots of body camera and dash camera footage of police encounters. Shit happens really fast, often in the dark, and making a decision right there is a lot harder than people realize. Even when you read the report or news story after the fact, it’s still hard to make out what happened.
I still want them held to high standards, but a cop can make an honest mistake in the heat of an encounter and not be a terrible person or a murderer.
This cop murdered a man in broad day light, over a period of minutes, on video. There’s no way in hell anyone else would walk free after doing that. You’d be lucky to get some extraordinary high bail.
Oh, and its yet another example of one of my personal hobby horses: weak cops. Dudes got stick arms and a pot belly. Cops should be muscled, lean guys with lots and lots of grappling and unarmed combat skills. One of the main issues, IMO, is you have these dudes who can’t actually control a situation without going to their weapons.
I’ve trained with some police who seemed borderline decent and wanted to do exactly what you are referring to. Getting better skilled to control a situation without a big escalation. One thing that came up though. When you are wearing a gun on your hip, your ability to grapple is limited because the gun is accessible to the opponent. That is their big fear; having their gun taken away and used on them.
To be clear the very best I could say about the armed government workers among us is ‘borderline decent.’
Hoo-Boy! Long Hot Summer of 1968 redux. Should be wonderful. With the Dems out and out trying to steal the election via a fake pandemic and the Reps only knowing one course of action this will get interesting come the August heat. Trouble is, all the popcorn was either looted or is already destroyed by fire. This shit is getting much worse before it gets better.
Keep those cities locked down and make sure people have nothing else to do.
One of the most outstanding bits in the Bonfire of the Vanities was the race-hustler describing himself as the pressure-release valve on a boiler. You sure want that pressure-release valve to do it’s job.
My girlfriend and I just moved out of St Paul to a town 45 minutes south of the twin cities on Wednesday. It seems the rioting spread to St Paul last night. There’s an OReilly Auto Parts less than a mile away from my old place that was lit on fire.
Is it a fair assumption that the two mayors have given strict instructions not to shoot or enforce any laws related to property damage and theft? I watched the live stream last night of the rioters breaching a police precinct. I would have figured they’d have at least had something like a fire hose or rubber bullets at the ready.
During the WH press briefing yesterday, some douchebag reporter asked “When is the President going to denounce the treatment of Mr. Floyd by the MPD?”
I hate these overgrown children who think the POTUS’s job is to be the conscience of the nation.
They do that because media-consumers/voters also believe that insipid shit. It isn’t all about leadership leading this country down the drain.
Now he’s just yelling country names.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266354084036194306
Police Burtality is common in China, so in a sense he’s right this is China’s fault.
Burtality? I knew Burt really IS evil!
“More than 120 top scientists criticise a series of FLAWS in study that found Trump-backed hydroxychloroquine drug raised the risk of death to Covid-19 patients and halted global trials
More than 120 leading scientists and doctors from around the world have criticised a hydroxychloroquine study that halted global trials of the anti-malaria drug.
The experts have penned an open letter to the editor of the Lancet, the medical journal in which the study was published, raising serious concerns about its methods.
They have highlighted 10 major flaws, including patient data which they say does not match with public health records.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368649/Fury-study-halted-global-Covid-19-trials-letter-questions-methods.html
I firmly believe that the research has been politicized. Much like climate change, you can’t believe anyone any more because they’ve all got an agenda.
I truly believe that the trend to politicize everything has caused our society to take several giant steps backward.
Of course it has – everything has been politicized. Owning a gun, what kind of car you drive, wearing a mask… The stuff obviously works when combined with zinc, but that would prevent them from getting maximum mileage out of the “crisis”.
Chloroquine was deemed effective in 2005 for inhibiting SARS-CoV because science.
Chloroquine was deemed ineffective in 2020 for inhibiting SARS-Cov-2 because orangemanbad.
Trump-backed hydroxychloroquine. I bet he even invented it so it must be a poison disguised as medicine.
This is one of the more telling aspects of TDS, that they would decry a drug which is proving effective simply because Trump pointed out that it holds promise of being effective.
I have said before that they would burn the world or kill any number of people to hold onto their power and here they are doing just that. Incredible.
“CHINA!”
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266354084036194306
LOL. He’s a big baby but an excellent troll.
I hope he waits an hour and then tweets, “GROVE”
My prediction is that these riots will swing Minnesoda to Trump.
Boy Mayor Frey is already trying to use Trump as a way to deflect blame for not quelling the riots.
Look Frey, a twitter feud should be at the bottom of your current to-do list.
The rioters were all going to vote for the D’s no matter what anyhow, so Trump won’t lose anything in Minnesoda. He will pick up a ton of those suburban voters who went D in 2018. They will all switch to anyone who condemns the rioting. Out state Minnesoda will just get more solidly behind Trump.
doubt it really
Weakness is pointing the finger at someone else during a time of crisis.
Weakness is being an impotent turd that refuses to act decisively.
Depends. If you are trying to avoid responsibility/deflect blame, yes.
If you are trying to point out failure, no. In that case the person who says it’s weakness is trying to protect the failure.
these riots will swing
yes: they absolutely matter in a law-and-order/Nixonian way, which was the beginning of the Reagan Democrat and a national swing
I lived in a city after a big race riot. They make people more race aware, not less. And most white people more likely to vote in their own interests, not less.
MEM is a national leader in race riots; we know what APC and tanks on the corners look like. And the racial situation is a social equilibrium of sorts where, like anywhere else, like-minded folk enjoy each others’ company.
But the needle moves in suburbs and the sticks. Votes won’t change here in the city; they will change just outside Kenosha, Jacksonville, Rapid City, Sandusky. Soccer moms start voting with their gut: that’s good for Trump; it could move the needle.
Sure – Los Angeles is a sprawling city with lots of suburbs. After the ’92 riots, they actually elected a Republican Mayor.
The weird thing about Memphis for me was that in everyday life, people had no issues with each other. Blacks and whites got along just fine for 90% of the time.
The second something bad happened, though, it was like metal filings and magnets, everyone would pull back into their own tribes. Shit would be super tense.
Then in a bit everyone would go back to being cool with each other.
One question I’ve heard a few times in neighborhood chats, but nowhere in the news is: “Where is Ilhan Omar?”
Shouldn’t she be able to restore peace, negotiate police reforms, etc with her mad skillz?
She’s too busy collecting donations for her
slush fundscharities.And tweeting. But not flagged as promoting violence.
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1265865431144939521?s=20
What’s this “we” crap? You just got off the fucking boat.
So it was all a farce from the beginning? *shocked face*
To the untrained eye, the FBI document that launched Crossfire Hurricane can be confusing, and it may be difficult to discern how it might be inadequate. To the trained eye, however, it is a train wreck. There are a number of reasons why it is so bad. Two main ones are offered below (if you would like to follow along, the document is here):
First, the document is oddly constructed. In a normal, legitimate FBI Electronic Communication, or EC, there would be a “To” and a “From” line. The Crossfire Hurricane EC has only a “From” line; it is from a part of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division whose contact is listed as Peter Strzok. The EC was drafted also by Peter Strzok. And, finally, it was approved by Peter Strzok. Essentially, it is a document created by Peter Strzok, approved by Peter Strzok, and sent from Peter Strzok to Peter Strzok.
On that basis alone, the document is an absurdity, violative of all FBI protocols and, therefore, invalid on its face. An agent cannot approve his or her own case; that would make a mockery of the oversight designed to protect Americans. Yet, for this document, Peter Strzok was pitcher, catcher, batter and umpire.
He’s definitely a catcher.
All of the TDS nonsense has been a farce. I can’t even remember what all of the phony scandals were but they were all invented out of thin air and absurd on their face. This pandemic theater is their last ditch, burn the country to the ground, effort. It will burn itself out before November and he will win again.
I am beginning to believe that the root of it all is his opposition to the endless wars in the Middle East. It is the only thing that makes sense…those wars are a cash cow for too many in the swamp.
The Molyneaux video linked from yesterday was excellent. He had an attorney lay out exactly what happened and with a pretty good explanation of why.
Basically, Flynn knew the bureaucracy inside and out and knew where the people that sympathized with Trump on our foreign policy shenanigans were positioned. By taking out Flynn, that prevented Trump from building a group that could reduce our overseas deployments and overturn the Iran deal. It also scared the shit out of anyone who might be tempted to come to trump’s aid. It was a purge of anyone who didn’t support more war.
It was a de facto coup attempt by the pro-war factions.
This sort of behavior was SOP during the last 5 years of the Obama administration. Abuses of power and people’s rights were the de facto way that machine operated and made sure nobody could gum up their hard work pretending they were transparent and scandal free. The left felt it was justified to break the law, or at least to just pay it lip service in the pursuit of their goal to seal their grip on power and make the state all powerful, and the abuses ignored or swept under the rug were not just numerous but staggering in nature. They got protection from the usual suspects in the MSM because these people were invested in protecting and enhancing the Obama legacy. After all, they helped elect that empty suit from Chicago, and having people see how terrible his presidency was would only embolden those that point out the left’s identity politics are not just disruptive, but destructive. But things went into overdrive when bad orange man managed to not only escape every single trap they set for him and his people (to create a scandal that would further undermine his electoral prospects), but then went along to win an election they had worked real hard to rig in favor of the only other politician that could make Obama’s tenure look decent and lawful. Obama and his people needed at a minimum to prevent Flynn from being part of that Trump government (he was not only totally against most of the weaponization of the three letter agencies under Obama’s tenure, and against such horrible things like the way Obama kept bombing other countries and creating instability, while propping up a horrible deal with Iran intended to completely change the balance of power in favor of Iran and away from Israel and the existing Arab order, but the most frightening thing was that he knew of the abuses AND where the bodies were buried), and if possible to crash the Trump presidency to prevent it from doing damage to Obama’s legacy and work. So they concocted a soft coup and ran it – with support from the dnc operatives with bylines that now were pissed they looked like idiots for selling the inevitability of the Hillary presidency because orange man was a dunce – on the way out. Their only problem was that, again, for some reason, every trap they set to bag bad orange man failed to produce the obstruction or criminality they wanted/needed to overthrow the duly elected president.
There wasn’t just massive abuse or an attempt to cover it up: they actually tried to banana-republic style reverse the will of the American people. But the establishment still wants to salvage the Obama administrations legacy/reputation because the left needed/needs that to keep peddling their bullshit. So now we are left with them preferring to burn down the country than accept their role and failure and admit that they are a bunch of fucking evil idiots (followed of course by the usual false promise to not do that shit again). Of course, it is still all the fault of evil orange man and the deplorables.
The CBC is still calling the looters “protesters”. When Vancouver went nuts after the loss in the Cup final circa 2011 they had no such qualms.
They will tell you a</strong story: not the story. Narrative man. Narrative…
Hillary Clinton shows off her ‘VOTE’ mask in her new social media avatar and the reviews aren’t good
In my head I heard “I expect you to die”
“George Floyd and cop who knelt on his neck before his death worked TOGETHER at the same Minneapolis club just months earlier
A former club owner in Minneapolis says that both George Floyd and the police officer seen kneeling on his neck moments before he died in custody on Monday both worked security at her business until the end of last year.
Floyd and Derek Chauvin, the officer who was fired from the Minneapolis Police Department after video emerged of the moments leading up to Floyd’s death, were employed by the El Nuevo Rodeo club, according to the owner.
‘Chauvin was our off-duty police for almost the entirety of the 17 years that we were open,’ Maya Santamaria told KSTP-TV.
Santamaria said that she is not sure if the two men knew each other since there were some two dozen security guards, including off-duty officers, working at her club on any given night.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368305/George-Floyd-cop-knelt-neck-worked-security-Minneapolis-club.html
Holy shit. What kind of club needs 24 security guards a night? I need to visit that place.
I let my (((friends))) convince me to go to a club like that in Baltimore once back in college. I’m not sure what they expected, but it became very clear, very quickly that we were not welcome and we would get our asses beat if we didn’t leave.
Did you let them dance with your dates?
“Shocking moment SUV ploughs into George Floyd protesters and then rams into a man who tried to hold onto the car’s hood during a Black Lives Matter demonstration”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368933/SUV-ploughs-George-Floyd-protesters-rams-man.html
Don’t play in traffic, kids.
It was fine to try to get through people illegally blocking traffic, but it looks like the drive may have turned on the guy that rode and fell off the hood after getting clear.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Reginald Denny ring a bell? I’m not stopping my car in the middle of a race riot.
Of course he shouldn’t have been murdered by that cop (It’s just absurd that I even have to type that), but I still don’t even know why George was arrested in the first place.
A store called the police because he supposedly gave them a fake $20. Conflicting reports on whether the money was counterfeit or not.
Thanks. Lesson is: Don’t horn in on the Fed’s racket.
He was arrested for allegedly using a $20 counterfeit bill to buy cigarettes.
A main public way was taken over here in MEM the night before last, but I wouldn’t catch me.
My advice is to take it easy in traffic always: that game of running to the next red light, jamming your nose into the ass of the car in front of you, and getting hemmed in is super duper dumb. It might not be Situational Awareness 101 to think this way, but it’s not rocket surgery, maybe 201: know what your options are all the time. It’s simple Little League / Boy Scout thinking: Be Prepared, WHERE DO I GO with it if the ball’s hit to me that you think of BEFORE the ball is hit to you.
Even when I’m stopped, I’m stopped with a little space base on where on the sidewalk or where through someone’s yard I will head if the shit goes down. No different from knowing the back way out of a restaurant or which fixtures in a store make for the best cover.
I don’t stop hardly ever: I’m looking way down the road, easing off the second a light goes yellow, and I keep moving. And I bet I beat half the drivers across town anyway. Easier on your brain, your fuel economy, and your brakes.
Yeah same. Constantly moving, timing the lights, and always always have a space to go if shit goes bad.
We must be twins separated at birth.
Hell to the yes Don. I learned to drive that way from my dad at 15 on city traffic. Always looking several blocks away and driving based on that, always leaving space, always being kind to your brakes by anticipating what was about to happen. If I didn’t do that I’d get an angry Irishman yelling at me to pay better attention to my surroundings. The clutch lesson took a beater Chevy Luv straight to the biggest hill he could find in after the first fifteen minutes of practice on flat streets. Thirty years later I can still remember the tone of those lessons.
I’m resisting the temptation to go off on a Facebook neighbor protesting a housing development in another part of the county because it should be “preserved”.
Why?
Because I generally don’t post anything on Facebook. It’s better that way. I have an account for my business needs and to get the community news.
That right there is the reason that my entire social media experience is Glibs and a MySpace account I last looked at about 15 years ago.
^^^THIS^^^
Fuck Faceplant, Twatter, and any of these idiot sites that only induce rage from the level of stupid…
Now this Glib site, that’s where the real shit goes down, baby!
“WaPo Is Not Even Pretending to Be Unbiased Anymore
Are media outlets supposed to be openly collaborating with presidential candidates to promote their campaigns? Is that a thing now? It’s not like the news even pretends to be unbiased anymore, but what you’re about to watch seems like something new.
Dave Jorgenson is a video producer and editor for the Washington Post. According to his WaPo bio, he’s also a “writer for ‘The Department of Satire’ and various scripted series… He also interviews kids around the country for his show ‘Short Takes.’” And he runs the newspaper’s TikTok account, because for some reason newspapers have TikTok accounts now. Well, far be it from me, a humble blogger, to say anybody else’s job is useless……
’m not a journalist or a lawyer, so I can’t speak to any ethical or legal concerns about the second-biggest newspaper in America openly collaborating with one of the candidates during a presidential campaign. I assume it’s all above board, or WaPo wouldn’t have approved it. If they want to look like they’re directly working for Biden’s campaign, that’s their business. It’s not like they have much of a reputation left to destroy anyway. Nobody really believes WaPo is unbiased and impartial, least of all the people who are paid to say WaPo is unbiased and impartial. They all want Biden to win, because they’re all Democrats.”
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jim-treacher/2020/05/28/wapo-now-directly-creating-ads-for-biden-campaign-n438944
Here is what two decades of declining readership has done to the major publisher of most news in NJ:
We want you to subscribe, but some of you called us biased. Here’s what we’re doing to address that.
My thought is too little to late. At this point there is close to zero separation between news and “analysis” and opinion. It’s part of the reason I still spend an ungodly amount for a WSJ subscription. They mostly keep the editorial on the editorial page.
Unless the article is about Journalism, or its by a Sports Commentator who actually played the game, you have no expertise or authority to inject.
This is why our daily paper failed. A zealot for an editor and management that was ready to jump ship. We’re more akin to Alberta here, why the fuck would you think that hiring a soy-boy with DTS might drive up subscriptions? Hell, aside from the firearms we’re more Texas than Texas. Sourcing international news to the fucking Washington Post? And they wondered what went wrong…
Although interestingly, the news swings to the left of the editorial section at the WSJ, though I agree its much better than other sources. I’ve been seeing a lot of climate change and social justice articles lately on the main page.
Offhand, I don’t know of any other msm sources where the editorial and news sections are in different camps. I think I remember reading a non-mea culpa from the editorial board (or maybe Taranto) that they have no control over the news section after a regularly egregious”news” piece on the main page about social justice and readers went ballistic over it.
While imperfect, the WSJ does what newspapers now no longer do – it tries very hard to separate editorial from news.
It’s rather interesting because most of the news people play for Team Blue. OTH, editorial plays Team Red. I think the fact that both have to interact with each other helps keep both honest.
The NY Post is like that. Right-leaning editorials from the old-timers and guest columnists while their front page of full of garbage about social justice and “Covidiots” written by their college-age stringers.
It always turns so counter-productive, so fast. Why, you’d think that people are pulling the strings whenever something like this happens.
The Miami PI was a good call, but the flag was so late, I would be pissed about it too.
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1266228828331966464
LOLOLOLOL
Rawlings-Blake is an Oberlin educated moron.
Still hot, though.
Don’t stick it in crazy…
Redundant.
“She a looka like a man!”
2003 Fiesta Bowl
My morning is french roast and some random June game, LAD @ HOU.
1994
Hey Don, I never wanted to draw your ire the other morning. I just play here unless shit gets really real.
we’re cool
I’m the hot head in most of my circles
Piling on the nice: thanks for your input regarding my seat question – saved me a lot of time!
Three thumbs up!
Where did the third thu….nevermind
was that me? I can’t remember anything anymore
and I want the right guy to get your attaboy
We’re cool like Miles – https://youtu.be/34r017yYNa0
This shit is getting meta.
https://twitter.com/ByLizSawyer/status/1266257642508349441
When did they start cloning Trudeaus?
When Karen took the kids.
That’s the Mayor? Looks like the guy who makes coffee for the Mayor.
The dude that makes the coffee is more manly. He’s the obsequious little worm that serves it to xer.
There is a reason he is mockingly called the “Boy Mayor” here.
That’s cringe.
This one is even better:
https://twitter.com/KyleKashuv/status/1266393521507971072?s=20
Michael Scott, mayor.
That is some hair.
It’s almost as bad as mine right now. *sob*
If you thought that Facebook memes were election interference, you don’t really have a leg to stand on regarding whether or not Twitter censoring politicians is election interference. By your own standards it clearly is. You embraced the mentally challenged brand of John Bircherism. Sorry you’re dumb. But, you don’t get to change rules now.
Williamson has a good take, particularly for bacon-magics edification.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz signed an executive order Thursday afternoon to activate the National Guard to “to help protect Minnesotans’ safety and maintain peace in the wake of George Floyd’s death.” Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey also declared a local emergency late Thursday.
Cower-in-place isn’t good enough?
Some businesses across New York City are getting antsy and reopening, defying state orders to keep non-essential businesses closed amid the coronavirus pandemic, CBS New York reports.
Twenty-five-year business owner Bobby Catone said if some big box stores can open, why can’t his tanning salon in Staten Island? He was planning to open it on Thursday.
“We’re being punished for trying to put food on our table,” he said
These business owners are doing a good thing.
A key element of the plan is to establish small groups of students and limit their exposure to other schoolmates. Groups may be assigned to a single classroom with teachers rotating through rather than students moving to a new classroom after every period. Longer classes are recommended over short sessions.
Instead of opening restrooms to everyone, lavatories may be assigned to specific classes only.
“We want to reduce the mixing and movement of students around a campus in a day,” Magee told the Daily Journal.
Fuck.
Professional leagues looking to open must submit a plan to the Texas Department of State Health Services.
A plan? Fuck that. Just open up.
“We plan to open on June 1.”
There. Plan, filed.
A man. A plan and I got nothing…
Frank Mendoza speaks out against shutdown
As Phase 2 of the state’s four-phase reopening plan approaches with a tentative date of June 8, some restaurant owners are still debating about whether it’s too soon to open.
Frank Mendoza isn’t one of them.
The co-owner of Monica’s Trattoria in the North End made headlines in mid-May when he told Boston 25 News that he would “take coronavirus over losing my business.” Mendoza, whose family immigrated to Boston from Argentina more than three decades ago and opened a number of restaurants in the North End, vehemently opposes the Phase 2 opening date and all the rules and regulations that will likely come with it, believing instead that restaurant owners should open their business whenever — and however — they want. But, he said, his desire to reopen swiftly isn’t about bringing in money.
The EO against Google may be part of something larger; this Twitter thread is very interesting:
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1266097931528134657
Any of our U.S. legal eagles wanna weigh in on this?
The EO against Google may be part of something larger; this Twitter thread is very interesting:
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1266097931528134657
Any of our U.S. legal eagles wanna weigh in on this?
“Silicon Valley will now hold an even larger self-interest in the 2020 election outcome.”
Is that even possible?
Interesting. The EO is a feint, a distraction, possibly to draw out more antitrust violations, while the schwerpunkt is antitrust.
Is this too strategic a move to be believed from this administration? Or are we actually witnessing honest-to-God Nth-dimensional chess for once?
“JUST IN: @ABC looked at 21 states that eased restrictions May 4 or earlier & found no major increase in hospitalizations, deaths or % of people testing positive in any of them. [SC, MT, GA, MS, SD, AR, CO, ID, IA, ND, OK, TN, TX, UT, WY, KS, FL, IN, MO, NE, OH] via @AMitrops”
https://twitter.com/ericMstrauss/status/1266136090806755329
So, of those 21 states that have eased restrictions, only 3 have Democratic governors while the other 18 have Republican governors. Or in other words, 3 of the 24 D states have eased restrictions while 18 of the 26 R states have eased restrictions. If that’s a comprehensive list of the lower restriction states, then there seems to be a pattern.
A guy I went to high school with owns a small sporting goods store about an hour east of MSP in rural WI. He said he’s sold more guns in the last two months than ever before, mostly to first timers. I’m guessing that will increase even more now.
*steeples fingers*
“NEW: Hair salons and barber shops will be restricted only to hair cutting, coloring and styling during Phase 2 of New York’s reopening, per newly posted state guidance.
Nail services? Not allowed. Beard trimming? Nope. Nose hair trimming? Negative.”
https://twitter.com/JonCampbellGAN/status/1266383471162937351
Not arbitrary and capricious at all.
Why nail service not allowed?
Cat Scratch Fever?
Bro – don’t you news?
Mostly because they hired a bad lobbyist. Sure she was cuticle, but you really need a lobbyist who is competent and doesn’t rely on looks alone.
Speak of that, last I heard the salon he singled out was going to sue. Wonder if they still are. I know I would.
Racism.
So our dumb ass mayor just announced yesterday a timeline for opening stuff that had restaurants at another six weeks and bars sometime in mid August. She also expanded the mandatory mask thingy to not just inside businesses, but outside as well. There is no fucking way I am wearing a mask outside. I was working yesterday on a building with a restaurant struggling to get by on take out and the owner and one of his employees were going frigging ballistic as the announcement came out.
Maybe that is why they are not stopping the burning in Minneapolis/St. Paul? This way there is nowhere to go, so people stay home…
About the only thing Alberta’s been doing right for its “re-launch” is that they’re sticking to their timelines, at least so far. If I start hearing about “we might have to delay a bit because of problem X arising” I’m gonna start getting in the face of every official I possibly can.
It’s going to be the quiet revolution writ large. More and more people will just ignore the dictates. Shame that some of the scouts will have to take the fall. Normies are fed up.
I’m not wearing a mask outside.
No fucking way no how. Thing is she needs SFPD to enforce this shit, and the cops here have little incentive to enforce jack. You can shoot up here in front of a cop and nothing at all will happen (I’ve seen it multiple times). You can largely get away with a ton of property crimes, no way are they gonna arrest me for not wearing a mask. They wanna cite me, go ahead, I will draw that out in court as long I possibly can.
The single biggest factor in enforcement is whether or not they can easily extract money from you.
Adam Carolla has a pretty good rant on it. Lemme see if I can find it.
https://vimeo.com/9056430
I have repeatedly posted here that I always send in the ticket pleading not guilty, then tell them I will not just accept a lesser plea either, because my intent is to make sure the state/town/municipalities pay far more for their attempt to extort me than the fine will ever be.
I have told a judge when I was in court that this was all a money making racket and had nothing to do with anything related to safety. He was furious, but everyone in that court knew this ticketing shit is a money making racket.
Walz is giving a press conference – says he can’t understand because as a “white man” he “doesn’t have those lived experiences”
Not enough palms, so very few faces. Whatta cunte.
Sounds like just the kind of leader they don’t need in these trying times. Better get used to watching the city burn.
The mayor of Minneapolis might be worse.
His press conference yesterday when he was almost in tears, appearing to have absolutely no plan last night for protecting businesses.
The crying, it just bugs me so much – either he’s faking, trying to show everyone just how much he gets it, look at him (my bet), or he’s actually overwhelmed and the situation is mastering him.
I saw a video clip of him dancing from a year or two ago, it didn’t further endear him.
Someone called him a Trudeau clone, which says it all.
To quote Seinfeld, That guy, he’s just not my kind of guy
This cancer is spreading at an alarming rate.
How about as a human being? Or does he have the same problem?
I wish people would stop treating these people as leaders and force them to stay in their lane. They should elect them to run the government operations, nothing else. State governors, city mayors, US presidents, etc. shouldn’t provide commentary on an active investigation or judicial process. They shouldn’t “weigh in” on a situation. Part of the problem is we expect/allow these people to be “leaders” when they are just not good at it.
Heh…MSNBC apparently hired Bagdad Bob.
Tw Fox
https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-anchor-says-minneapolis-carnage-is-mostly-a-protest-as-building-burns-behind-him
Good to hear he’s still getting work.
Yep, brings this to mind:
https://youtu.be/5NNOrp_83RU
If only Prince were still alive. Perhaps he might have overcome his natural reticence and said something calming.
In heels and eye-liner.
Whatever it takes.
https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/1266371977943498759?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1266371977943498759%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2020%2F05%2F29%2Fman-has-a-point-fcc-chairman-ajit-pai-asks-serious-question-for-twitter-about-these-tweets-from-irans-leader%2F
Yeah. I’ve seen a few people see that this has been a strategic fuck up on Twitters part.
As I linked above:
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1266097931528134657
Wow
How long has Minneapolis been under a Democrat administration? If the Ds have the black vote in their pocket, then blacks ought to be ready to vote for another party. Riots are one sure way to get attention, but another would be to form an alliance, even temporarily, with the GOPs and vote the mayor, the d.a., and the police chief out, then pressure the state to eliminate unions for governmental workers. We won’t see justice in these big cities until the “riot” happens in the polling booth and the complacent corrupt government assholes running these cities are tossed out on their ear.
Wikipedia says the last non Democrat mayor was an independent who left office in the end of 1977.
There was a Republican mayor for one day? in 1973 (I guess the incumbent resigned on his final day to become chief of police). The last republican who served a term left office in mid 1961
Some protester stated they will be moving onto the suburbs.
These people feel they have no recourse, no cushy life to ride out, and will garner support from those that see there is little to no consequence to engaging in the riots.
I doubt they have the organization to pull that off but if they do it will get very ugly very quickly.
Nothing to see here, move along: https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1266222112458629120
The media always makes me feel like I’m in bizarro world. Rioters are peaceful protesters. Peaceful armed protesters are thugs trying to tear down our democracy.
*Looks up a couple of threads…* Well I guess you put the tweet out and not the news story. *Goes back to work*