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Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 5:03 pm

They just rereleased this video, very up to date, enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutIY59_ojE

Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 5:04 pm

Werewolves again,
- R.J. on October 30, 2021 at 5:06 pm
  
  They put a mask on the werewolf…
  - Nephilium on October 30, 2021 at 5:11 pm
    
    Oi! R.J., have you seen Trick-R-Treat?
    
    Loved the selections of movies this month, even though I couldn’t join in on the comments for them. In fairness, most of them I’ve seen previously.
    - R.J. on October 30, 2021 at 5:18 pm
      
      I have seen it, most probably will see again tonight. Also on the agenda is Killer Klowns from Outer Space. The kids will watch Nightmare Before Christmas three times, no doubt.
      - Nephilium on October 30, 2021 at 5:25 pm
        
        Good deal. It’s one of my favorite ones for the season. I enjoyed the conversation about the final girl in the Zombeavers thread. Which of course makes me wonder about the movie.
        
        Unfortunately, instead of being able to enjoy the holiday (and football game) tomorrow, I have a wake I need to attend. My hope is to make it home in time for the trick or treaters (considering the shit year, we again went full sized candy bars for the first 40-so children who show up).
        
        DEG on October 30, 2021 at 5:43 pm
        
        Sorry about the wake.
        
        Nephilium on October 30, 2021 at 5:45 pm
        
        DEG:
        
        Appreciate it, but it’s for a friend’s father. I’m currently hoping I’ve got dress clothes that still fit after 18 months of no office and not needing to dress up.
        
        DEG on October 30, 2021 at 6:14 pm
        
        I’m currently hoping I’ve got dress clothes that still fit after 18 months of no office and not needing to dress up.
        
        Another lockdown victim.
        
        Zwak, sensual panzer on October 30, 2021 at 6:38 pm
        
        Sorry about your friends’ father, it sucks no matter the circumstances. But, I hear you on the trick or treaters. We are doing good but bit size candy, and normally I kinda hide, but this year I am putting on my air raid helmet and welding goggles, a lab coat, and getting into the spirit.
        
        Fuck this year, let the kids who are brave enjoy the night.
      - DEG on October 30, 2021 at 5:43 pm
        
        Also on the agenda is Killer Klowns from Outer Space.
        
        Excellent.
    - Aloysious on October 30, 2021 at 6:25 pm
      
      Trick-R-Treat is the bomb, and Killer Klowns is way fun.

Scruffy Nerfherder on October 30, 2021 at 5:14 pm

Neighbor update: I have reason to believe that the bomb is about to go off and we are not far enough away. I won’t say any more other than the neighbor has become paranoid delusional, self-destructive, and looking to take someone with her, namely my wife.

I’m in serious need of a drink, or ten.

Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 5:16 pm

No, stay sober, you may find it helpful if/when interacting with certain groups of indivuals,
FTP
- R.J. on October 30, 2021 at 5:19 pm
  
  Agreed. Stay sober and remain cautious. Document everything in case you have to call authorities.
  - Scruffy Nerfherder on October 30, 2021 at 5:21 pm
    
    There’s nothing to document. We haven’t had any contact with her in a month.
    
    We’ve documented everything prior to that point. Now we just have to sit on our hands and wait and curse and drink and…
Nephilium on October 30, 2021 at 5:18 pm

Sorry to hear that man.
Semi-Spartan Dad on October 30, 2021 at 5:25 pm

I’m glad you lawyered up. That’s your best defense. Still shitty to go through.
- Scruffy Nerfherder on October 30, 2021 at 6:00 pm
  
  The lawyer I hired has experience in these cases and is not someone you would want to be in court against, but he’s going to cost me a small fortune, particularly if it goes to court.
  
  All I can say is this better not involve my wife or I getting cuffed in front of our kids or my wife spending a single minute in a jail cell. I will not forgive that.
  
  We fucked up, we trusted the neighbor and got too close to her while trying to help. She was nice to us and then she turned on us within a single day. We know she was hallucinating at the time from a UTI and that she’s on drugs now, but what she is doing is pure evil.
  - slumbrew on October 30, 2021 at 10:34 pm
    
    I assume vulture friend is whispering in her ear, which can’t help.
DEG on October 30, 2021 at 5:53 pm

Sorry. Stay sober. Wait to drink until this is all over.
- Zwak, sensual panzer on October 30, 2021 at 6:41 pm
  
  DEG is right. Keep yourselves sparkly clean.
Ghostpatzer on October 30, 2021 at 8:34 pm

Just popped in for a minute and saw this. This has to end at some point, the sooner the better. Sorry you have to deal with it, hope things resolve soon.

LCDR_Fish on October 30, 2021 at 5:24 pm

Well, Jonah Goldberg’s been all over the place in terms of content lately, but I’d say his last newsletter is *really* good. Just posting here because I’m not sure where you can get it now that he’s not on NRO.

…A few times a year, someone tells me I should write a book on conservatism. I like the idea, but not enough—at least not yet—to actually do it. For starters, until fairly recently, I never really saw the need. The basic outlines of what conservatism is were largely settled on the right. Sure, there were arguments about what conservatives should prioritize—politically, philosophically, and even metaphysically. But these arguments were for the most part well within some fairly clear borders. Think about this way: I think there’s a broad and identifiable consensus about what it means to be a Christian, but that hardly means Christians of different stripes don’t argue about what Christians should do all the time.

The free market guys largely owned the definition of economic conservatism. Everyone agreed to some version of limited government. Religion was more contested in the realms of theology and theory, but as a practical matter most folks read from the same hymnal, as it were (this is the beauty of classically liberal theories of religious freedom). Foreign policy was more contested, to be sure. But I’ve never believed that conservatism has a lot to say about foreign policy to begin with.

Now, that consensus is over (for the time being at least). This is one of the few things I agree with the “New Right” about these days. Of course, it’s axiomatic; if a bunch of people say the consensus is over, the consensus is over. Those of us in the remnant of the old consensus can lament the breakdown, but there’s not much to be gained by denying it.

When I am in a hopeful mood—which I will, confess, isn’t as often as I would like—I fall back in my confidence in conservatism itself. You see, I’m a conservative—in the fusionist, old consensus, Anglo-American sense—first and foremost because I believe conservatism is correct.

Saying something is “correct” is not automatically or always synonymous with saying something is “true.” Two plus two equals four is both correct and true. But saying, “It’s wrong to lie” is a correct statement, even if it’s not always true. I believe the conservative worldview is correct because, given the alternatives, I think it’s the best way to think about and arrange things.

“The facts of life are conservative,” Margaret Thatcher liked to say. I agree with that in my bones. The more grandiose, ornate, or complicated your theory about how to organize society, the more likely you are to be proven wrong by reality. Lincoln’s definition of conservatism as “adherence on the old and tried versus the new and untried” won’t always steer you right, but it will serve you better than adherence to the new and untried.

Life is supremely complicated at scale. What I mean by that is that in the little platoons of life, friends, family, workplace, church or synagogue, neighborhood, etc., things can be pretty complicated—people are weird—but it’s manageable, because you deal with people more or less face to face. It’s made all the more manageable if you stick to a few general, small-c conservative rules of good conduct. But once you move beyond what Friedrich Hayek called “the microcosm of family and friendship,” things become incredibly complicated; too complicated for any one person or group of people to actively manage. This is the nexus where different kinds of (my kind of) conservatism meet. The free market guys understand economic planning doesn’t work. The limited government guys understand you can’t (and shouldn’t!) successfully boss people around indefinitely. The religious conservatives understand that the state cannot do what religion does without corrupting both.

The American revolution, Irving Kristol argued, was a successful revolution precisely because it recognized the limits on politics dictated by human nature. It didn’t seek to impose a one-size-fits-all theory of life on everybody for the simple reason that one person’s definition of happiness is another person’s definition of misery. Russell Kirk’s second canon of conservatism holds, in part, the conservative has an “affection for the proliferating variety and mystery of human existence, as opposed to the narrowing uniformity, egalitarianism, and utilitarian aims of most radical systems.” Kirk had some views I disagreed with about how to organize society, but he was also content to find his own slice of happiness living his life the way he liked. He didn’t say everybody had to retire to their own hobbit Shire and write ghost stories. Kirk liked to quote the historian Keith Feiling. “Every Tory is a realist,” Feiling said. “He knows that there are great forces in heaven and earth that man’s philosophy cannot plumb or fathom.”

The closer to the ground you are, the more true this will be, particularly when the risks are high. If everyone stuck to the time-tested rules on the set of Rust, Alec Baldwin wouldn’t have shot someone. If everyone stuck, as best they could, with the basic bourgeois values of honesty, industriousness, thrift, delayed gratification, marital fidelity, and self-sacrifice for the benefit of your kids, most of our societal problems would be solved—or not exist in the first place.

Societies that try to impose some grand unified field theory of social justice or the common good eventually run into the fundamentally conservative facts of life. Take, for example, the famous story about Phil Gramm talking to some voters. It goes something like this. He was asked by a woman what his views on education are. He said (paraphrasing), “Well, I start from the assumption that nobody loves my kids as much as my wife and I do.”

The woman replied, “That’s not true! I love your kids as much as you do!”

To which Gramm said, “Oh really? What are their names?”

It is a fundamentally conservative view—regardless of your partisan passions—that Gramm is right.

Hillary Clinton once said, “As adults we have to start thinking and believing that there isn’t really any such thing as someone else’s child. … For that reason, we cannot permit discussions of children and families to be subverted by political or ideological debate.” The conservative instantly recognizes this as nonsense.

Not only is this idea not correct, it’s not true. Anecdotes about evil or crappy parents notwithstanding, there has never been a society anywhere or anywhen—shut up, I say it’s a word—in which parents didn’t favor their own children over the children of strangers. One of the reasons Terry McAuliffe’s campaign is floundering is that he said the quiet part out loud, arguing that the state’s ideological enterprise shouldn’t be hindered by the input of mere parents.

This is a small example of why I am hopeful. The competing theories of social justice and common good conservatism both start from a shared view that adults are like children and the state is their parent. These neo-gnostics of the left and right believe they know how you should define happiness, how you should live your life, and how your institutions should be arranged. And we’re going to make it happen. We have special knowledge about how you should live. And if given power, we will put that knowledge to work.

Of course, I have theories about how you should live your life, but that doesn’t make me a hypocrite, because my definition of conservatism has limiting principles about how far I can go—even if I were a dictator—in imposing them or making them a reality.

Feel free to stop reading here, if you haven’t already. But I started this “news”letter with a long discussion of Occam’s razor, then wrote myself into a ditch and started over. So let me see if I can duct-tape it to this conversation.

I’ve always loved Occam’s razor. In fact, I’ve just noticed I’ve been writing about it for at least 20 years. (Rereading that 2001 piece, I think I learned that this is the first piece I ever wrote that used a variation of my phrase “spend money like a pimp with a week to live.” Ah, memories.) One of the things I love about it is that it’s a shorthand for a philosophical principle—“keep it simple”—that lots of people, including Occam, try too hard to make complicated. Reading the Wikipedia entry is like huffing CO2 from an upside down can of Reddi-wip in two ways: You shouldn’t do it at the 7-Eleven, and it gives me a headache. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy’s section on it is better, but it’s still pretty highfalutin and I want to keep things mediumfalutin.

Still, the phrase “ontological parsimony”—one of the standard interpretations of Occam’s razor—is so euphonious I can’t help but use it. One way to think of ontological parsimony is to think of it as a killing word that causes mice to explode under laboratory conditions like in Rock ‘n’ Roll High School. But that would be wrong. Another way to think about it is that you should give preferences to theories that make the fewest unprovable or unlikely assumptions.

But basically, even if it’s not wholly faithful to Occam’s meaning, the colloquial or conventional understanding of Occam’s razor is the best: “The simplest explanations tend to be the most accurate.” Doctors often say—at least in TV shows about doctors—“When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.” The point being that, unless you’re on an African savannah (or in suburban Maryland), if you hear hoofbeats it’s most likely horses are responsible for the sound, since it would be really weird if there were zebras nearby.

The reason I bring this up is that I’ve always thought of Occam’s razor as a fundamentally conservative—small-c conservative, to be sure—tool. Wildly novel or ornate theories tend to be wrong. Look at it like this: The conservative tends to be the person in the room that says some new idea won’t work or is otherwise wrong. From this fact alone, in the great intellectual Olympics of history, conservatives deserve the gold medal, because most truly new ideas are wrong. It’s just a numbers thing. If you say, “It won’t work” to every spit-balled or brainstormed idea, you’ll be right at least 80 or 90 percent of the time.

Parents know this is a fact, because most little kids go through a phase where they spout new ideas every five minutes. And it’s a well-established fact that little kids are not very well read or knowledgeable, so they usually don’t know what they’re talking about. So just as a matter of math, most of their new ideas are going to be wrong.

For instance, when I was still in my single digits, I learned that diamonds were made from coal being subjected to intense pressure and heat (or being squeezed by the hand of Superman). So I took a piece of coal, put it on our kitchen stovetop, and pressed down on it really hard with a fork, thinking I could make it a diamond. It didn’t work, damn it.

Okay that’s as far as I got on Occam’s razor before I tangoed around my writer’s block. I blame it on trying to make a point about Bayesian probability and getting a nosebleed from trying to understand it again.

But I can see why I got the idea to start the way I did. Kirk loved to quote H. Stuart Hughes’ claim that “conservatism is the negation of ideology.” I don’t think that’s quite true if you deflate the term “ideology.” I have an ideology—it’s a checklist of principles, or rules of thumb, some of which are often in conflict with others. The fusionist believes in both liberty and order, freedom and virtue, and is constantly questioning which should have the upper hand in a specific situation. This is why I have long argued that the epistemological essence of conservatism requires a certain degree of comfort with contradiction. This is a fancy way of saying we understand that life is about tradeoffs, because all resources—time, money, passion, focus—are ultimately finite and scarce.

But on Kirk’s terms, he was right. Ideology, as he meant it, is a form of reducing the infinite variety of life to a single model or theory. Occam’s razor is a wonderful tool for dismantling such models or theories, but it has its limits. Because while you can use it to clear the brush of abstraction and theoretical assumptions about how the world works or how it should work, it’s useless for providing its own theories about how things work.

Save in one regard.

There’s an old saw, attributed to various people, about how to sculpt an elephant: “Take a block of marble and remove everything that isn’t an elephant.” Occam’s razor removes everything overly theoretical about why humans do what they do, leaving the elephant in the room ignored by every group of radicals and ideologues who think they know how to design society on a drawing board: human nature. But human nature cannot be reduced to a single “keep it simple” theorem because humans are complicated, particularly at scale. Which is why a complicated society should be governed by simple rules….

Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:02 pm

JG was really good back in the day, then something happened, it’s good to hear sme sanity from the Man,
trshmnstr the terrible on October 30, 2021 at 7:38 pm

I’ve never read him before. Frankly, he’s a bit scatterbrained and prone to word salad. Good points occluded by him having the attention span of a gnat.
- rhywun on October 30, 2021 at 8:09 pm
  
  I didn’t know he left NR.
  
  Agree about the scatterbrained.
  
  Also, Trump kind of broke his brain. He sounded a like Lincoln Project flack for a while.
  - grrizzly on October 30, 2021 at 8:25 pm
    
    Not just Trump, covid too. The last time I saw something from JG, he was outraged that a GOP Governor (Texas I believe) announced a ban on vax mandates. Another libertarian conservative for vax mandates. Muh private businesses.
    - The Hyperbole on October 30, 2021 at 8:32 pm
      
      Not wanting the government to outlaw something dosen’t mean you are for that thing.
      - grrizzly on October 30, 2021 at 8:36 pm
        
        I know, I know. Government trying to fight government overreach is the real government overreach.
        
        The Hyperbole on October 30, 2021 at 8:39 pm
        
        First principles can really be a bitch.
        
        grrizzly on October 30, 2021 at 8:53 pm
        
        My first principle is individual freedom. Not a single person is prevented from getting vaccinated in TX or FL despite the vax mandate “bans.” Goldberg and his ilk are not concerned when the federal, state, municipal governments and almost all non-government institutions are depriving sane healthy people of their livelihood and enforcing “public health” apartheid.
        
        Zwak, sensual panzer on October 30, 2021 at 9:59 pm
        
        First-principles may be a bitch, but identifying first principles is equally hard. As a Libertarian, large L, it isn’t just gov’t overreach, but also business overreach, and at times personal overreach that I am also fighting against.
        
        All three of those can be and do infringe on my liberties, the people of Texas’ liberties, and Americans’ liberties. From where I stand, Abbot’s decision is correct.
        
        We are never going to win elections, but we can influence them, influence people. This is influencing people. Bodily autonomy is every bit as important as the NAP, indeed it is part of it. Here is where they meet. Here is where we show this.
      - MikeS on October 30, 2021 at 9:04 pm
        
        Are you equating vax mandates with things like gay marriage? Or am I completely misunderstanding ( I have been drinking) tonight’s Contrarian Corner argument?
        
        Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 9:22 pm
        
        No, we should not mandate Tupperware parties for gay marriages.
        
        I just spent last weekend in a state in which no one wore a mask and I’m pretty sure I had a 3 day long orgasm from it.
        
        And I was in a bar in which this is the first song I heard:
        You Got that Right
        
        I seriously think I am still having that orgasm and I swore to my wife I was not looking at that girl.
        
        MikeS on October 30, 2021 at 9:25 pm
        
        I haven’t seen more than a handful of people wearing masks in…I suppose a year? Trying to remember.
        
        I thought this was going to be your music link.
        
        Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 9:30 pm
        
        You’re bloody well right that is a great song too. Cheerio!
        
        MikeS on October 30, 2021 at 9:49 pm
        
        Good show, guv’na!
        
        DEG on October 30, 2021 at 10:14 pm
        
        I haven’t seen more than a handful of people wearing masks in…I suppose a year? Trying to remember.
        
        You’re in a normal part of the country.
        
        Staff at every grocery store near me wear face diapers. I grocery shopped earlier today, and I’d say about a third of customers wore face diapers.
        
        As for tonight’s Contrarian Corner, I’ll drop this bomb before I head to bed: Fuck vaccine mandates, where ever they come from, and fuck anyone that supports them.
        
        MikeS on October 30, 2021 at 10:25 pm
        
        Fuck vaccine mandates, where ever they come from, and fuck anyone that supports them.
        
        Well said, DEG. Sleep well.
        
        Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 10:27 pm
        
        “Fuck vaccine mandates, where ever they come from, and fuck anyone that supports them.”
        
        Damn well said, and damn well right!
        
        God bless you shitlords!
        
        Spudalicious on October 30, 2021 at 10:53 pm
        
        I wore a mask for the first time in over a year flying to NY and back. I can’t think of anything more obtrusive and stupid, but at the these flight crews seemed to understand.
hayeksplosives on October 30, 2021 at 9:33 pm

He could benefit from a good editor.
- Q Continuum on October 30, 2021 at 10:30 pm
  
  Yeah, there is a major irony of him ending a long, meandering and largely pointless essay on an anecdote about Occam’s Razor.

Nephilium on October 30, 2021 at 5:33 pm

It’s a Saturday, I’m home and still upright, so here is the link to the Zoom/Happy Hour/Halloween discussion. Since it’s that time of year, costumes are recommended (for everyone’s amusement), but not mandatory (it is a libertarian group of assholes, right?). I’ll kick it off at 20:00 Eastern (as is tradition).

Tundra on October 30, 2021 at 5:37 pm

Howdy Spud!

Huh. Maybe it is a performance enhancing drug.

Not Indica. That’s for sleepy time.

Going to meet a bunch of new neighbors tonight. Pray for me, please.

Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 5:42 pm

“Not Indica. That’s for sleepy time.” Sheeeyah! I only smoke Indo, it calms me down, and then I don’t want to kill people,
- Tundra on October 30, 2021 at 5:44 pm
  
  In-da-couch for me.
  
  But I generally don’t want to kill anyone, anyway.
  - Fourscore on October 30, 2021 at 6:03 pm
    
    So your neighbors are gonna meet some new friends? Sounds like a win situation for all
Sean on October 30, 2021 at 6:18 pm

Meeting a bunch of new neighbors?

Swingers party?
- DEG on October 30, 2021 at 6:31 pm
  
  Not many swingers are people you want to see naked.
  - Tundra on October 30, 2021 at 6:42 pm
    
    This.
    
    No, my stupid extroverted nature got us invited to a party.
    
    But I have to be honest, my neighbors seem pretty awesome.
    - Scruffy Nerfherder on October 30, 2021 at 6:42 pm
      
      I certainly hope they’re better than mine.
    - Tundra on October 30, 2021 at 6:44 pm
      
      This was sent to me by a well meaning friend.
      
      It’s barely hyperbole.

DEG on October 30, 2021 at 5:42 pm

“We’ll be OK,” Shea said Friday morning. “The first step would be reassignment of personnel that ordinarily are not doing patrol functions can be pulled into those.”

What could possibly go wrong?

hayeksplosives on October 30, 2021 at 9:22 pm

I read “patrol functions” as “partial fractions” and had to zoom in for a closer look.

Makes more sense now but I’m slightly disappointed that there’s not a deeper mathematical scheme at work.

Plinker762 on October 30, 2021 at 5:43 pm

I guess I’m the latest Glib to be ravaged by the CCPV. I’ve been isolated for the last week feeling tired and lightly feverish. Took a test Thursday and it came back positive. My appetite and taste are slowly coming back and I’m feeling better than I did last week but I still occasionally develop a slight fever. Mostly I am bored.

Tundra on October 30, 2021 at 5:45 pm

Sorry dude. Are you treating it?
- Plinker762 on October 30, 2021 at 6:03 pm
  
  A, C, E, D & Zinc and plenty of fluids. Everyone just seems to want me to stay home unless there is an emergency.
  - Scruffy Nerfherder on October 30, 2021 at 6:04 pm
    
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf
    - hayeksplosives on October 30, 2021 at 9:29 pm
      
      Thanks for the resource.
      
      If you have a CPAP, use that too. More effective and safer than ventilator.
      
      Since I already have some respiratory issues, I bought an oxygen concentrator so that I can self treat at home and avoid going to hospitals (you know, where all the sick people are).
      
      The only thing I still need a prescription for are nebulizer ampules, and I have a bunch hoarded for now.
Nephilium on October 30, 2021 at 5:47 pm

I was mildly entertained a week and a half ago when the girlfriend got a cold. After a couple days, she called her doctor to try to schedule a visit to check what she had. The doctor said they weren’t seeing ill people, and sent her to Urgi-Care. The girlfriend got tested for strep and ‘vid, both negative. I managed to pick up the cold for the past week or so.
- Plinker762 on October 30, 2021 at 6:04 pm
  
  “I don’t want that shit”
- MikeS on October 30, 2021 at 9:06 pm
  
  The doctor said they weren’t seeing ill people
  
  uhhh…
DEG on October 30, 2021 at 6:06 pm

I hope you continue to recover.
Sean on October 30, 2021 at 6:11 pm

I’ve had two fully vaxxed people in the office coughing lately. Neither one is very healthy.

I’ve been mocking them. Telling them they have covid and occasionally teasing them that I’m gonna make them mask up.

Tundra on October 30, 2021 at 5:48 pm

I think I will be really good at death cleaning. I hate clutter.

And I’ve had to take care of too many people’s shit.

Fourscore on October 30, 2021 at 6:09 pm

I’m making the decisions now to give stuff away to the people I want to have it. The remnants can go in an auction or dumpster. I read a book a few years ago that said ‘if you haven’t used something in a year you don’t need it.’ Pretty much true.

Mrs F obviously hasn’t read that book, she’s still accumulating.
- Spudalicious on October 30, 2021 at 7:55 pm
  
  That’s my approach to paperwork.
pistoffnick on October 30, 2021 at 9:23 pm

I have a hard time throwing things away. My last move, it took all my strength to throw away 2 lbs. of collected twist ties!
hayeksplosives on October 30, 2021 at 9:33 pm

Moving twice in the past three and half years has helped us downsize significantly.

I still plan to donate about half of my wardrobe once I’ve finished unpacking this time. All my specialty text books I am going to donate to our nascent specialty library at my new job.
- Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 9:44 pm
  
  Hayek, I don’t want to downgrade. No matter how much it bothers my wife. I want more.
  
  This is me:
  
  Eu Quero Mais
  
  My God, I cannot grow old. Not ever.
  - hayeksplosives on October 30, 2021 at 10:02 pm
    
    In my case, it’s not a downgrade. Just getting rid of stuff I don’t use anymore, or, in the case of the books, taking them somewhere where they will get more use (including by me).
    
    This house is bigger than the previous house, so I’m getting rid of stuff as a preference, not a necessity.
    - Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 11:11 pm
      
      I get it. We really need to do that because we have tons of useless clutter.

ignoreLander on October 30, 2021 at 6:06 pm

I archived the “I’m pretty cool with wood chippers on this one.” link, so I can only see a handful of comments. But the ones I’m able to see, lemme just say Fox News fans are hilarious.

“I hope the dude that was yelling is identified, and his life is equally ruined.”

Waters will end up paying for what she said, what goes around, comes around

Can’t wait for when Republicans will win over the house and remove her Pelosi and the Squad from all committees

Democrats get to taste their own medicine and I feel zero sympathy for them. Maybe it will humble them.

Guarantee these people are creating republican and independent voters wherever they go with their behavior.

How do actual adults, in America today, seeing what they have seen, believe any of that? Does it just make them feel better to go to their echo chambers and shout empty platitudes into them?

Sean on October 30, 2021 at 6:16 pm

Yes?

Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:09 pm

” Does it just make them feel better to go to their echo chambers and shout empty platitudes into them?”
Like Us?

Fourscore on October 30, 2021 at 6:13 pm

When a libertarian shouts fire in an empty theater does anyone hear it?
- Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:25 pm
  
  Am I being Detained?!
  - Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:32 pm
    
    You’re not one them insurrectionists are you?
    - Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:34 pm
      
      /Need a vaxx card kid?
      - Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:35 pm
        
        Who are you calling kid, millennial?
        
        Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:39 pm
        
        1963 ain’t Millenial Junior…
        
        Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:41 pm
        
        Heh, shut up, millennial. Everyone born after 1959 is a millennial, millennial.
        
        Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:43 pm
        
        63? Haha, snapper!
        
        Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:45 pm
        
        I am Gen ? like the middle kid, we got ignored,
        ’62-’69
        
        Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:51 pm
        
        Dude, I hate to tell you, but according to the experts, you are indeed a Boomer.
        
        Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:53 pm
        
        My Uncles were Boomers, I know ’65 is the cut off, but I can’t relate to them at all, probably Vietnam,
        
        Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:56 pm
        
        Well, it’s like that. I don’t feel like a boomer either. But we both are. Now they separate generations by decades when it used to be half centuries.
        
        TARDis on October 30, 2021 at 7:01 pm
        
        Yeah Yu, not Boomer and not GenX. Fuck them both. Gen? works for me too.
        
        Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 7:03 pm
        
        Thanks T! someone gets it,
        
        TARDis on October 30, 2021 at 7:14 pm
        
        Vietnam was the first thing that popped into my mind too. The first outright “war” for profit. Korea was the seed.
        Music, art, culture? I don’t get it. My wife is only four years younger than me, but she is solid X. I can’t explain the difference.
        
        Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 7:16 pm
        
        “The first outright “war” for profit”
        
        You cannot even be serious?
        
        TARDis on October 30, 2021 at 7:52 pm
        
        If it wasn’t, which one was was? All wars are going to profit someone that can see how to.

Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:31 pm

I love the music selection.

It’s a murky green toad world here for 3 straight days now.

Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:33 pm

Now I know what’s wrong with me, really,
https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2021/10/exploding-head-syndrome-is-no-joke-and-neither-is-sleep-paralysis/

Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:37 pm

Sure, and neither is spontaneous combustion or UFOs, or STEVE SMITH.
- Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:42 pm
  
  it’s real, but not literal, I understood as soon as I read it, being Epileptic, I always try to find out what the hell is wrong with me.
  - Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 6:45 pm
    
    There’s not anything wrong with you, bro. There’s something wrong will all the current generation, only that.
    - Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:49 pm
      
      Almost all the peeps I know here range from 25 to 38 or so. Hard working family men, they are people of good character, My Daughter is 33 and works her ass off, so I don’t flip that cohort any shit.
rhywun on October 30, 2021 at 7:00 pm

sleep paralysis is associated with sleeping in unfamiliar surroundings and sleeping in a supine position

Yeah, this is why I sleep on my side.

I used to get it all the time until I learned about that trick.

ignoreLander on October 30, 2021 at 6:36 pm

Like Us?

Touché. But I will say we, as a group*, being the Smartest People in the Room™, are all pretty resigned to the ways of the world. I don’t see many illusions around here about changing the world, we’re all just doing the best we can playing by someone else’s rules….

(*Libertarians — as a group? Sounds like a “jumbo shrimp” turn-of-phrase)

Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:44 pm

I agree with you, notice we aren’t all echo all the time, but it’s a great place to bounce ideas and thoughts out there,
Herding Cats!

Sean on October 30, 2021 at 6:36 pm

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/watch-amazon-driver-gets-hilarious-scare-from-halloween-decoration

?

J. Frank Parnell on October 30, 2021 at 6:42 pm

Went surfing today for the first time in a few months. Holy crap, the cargo ships piling up! We went to our usual spot, north side of the Newport Beach Pier. Since maybe the beginning of the year, on a clear day we could see a few ships off in the distance to the north towards Long Beach. Today, we could clearly see at least a half dozen ships bunched up right off the northern coast of Newport, about 6-8 more close to shore from the Newport pier south to the Balboa pier, and I could see silhouettes of more ships further off the coast – not a particularly clear day, so not sure how many. Crazy. I’m thinking of heading down to the Dana Point or San Clemente beaches sometime this week to see how far the line goes.

Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:51 pm

Ahhh, the fun times, Boogie boarding at the Wedge, Big waves, no escape, bloody noses full of sand,
Enjoy JFP!
Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 6:54 pm

Oh yeah, get pics if you do go down there, I wanna see!
- J. Frank Parnell on October 30, 2021 at 7:15 pm
  
  Here’s one my wife got of me, my older son, and a few of the cargo ships.
  - Yusef drives a Kia on October 30, 2021 at 7:25 pm
    
    Damn that’s close!

Q Continuum on October 30, 2021 at 7:05 pm

Happy Tittyween!

https://archive.md/RIA6q/0e57b5d40307d10c241c0fa675404c283e7bfdcf.jpg

NSFW.

Q Continuum on October 30, 2021 at 7:05 pm

https://archive.md/ktUxR/f98c695effabd9de9cbcb2891ad30b50349f6505.jpg

NSFW.
- Q Continuum on October 30, 2021 at 7:07 pm
  
  https://electron.scrolller.com/atto/fine-as-fuck-bf0yzf2sw5.mp4
  
  NSFW.
  - Q Continuum on October 30, 2021 at 7:08 pm
    
    https://archive.md/qq9xF/26b4e62254fe453fe3651e05bdb9ebc977a49184.jpg
    
    NSFW.

Q Continuum on October 30, 2021 at 7:19 pm

“Arizona bride, mom plead with progressive anti-Sinema protesters to stop ‘ruining’ wedding”

Something tells me that shit like this does not make her more likely to vote their way. Two reasons:

1) The protestors look shitty to the vast majority of voters and caving to them looks pathetic.
2) Pure spite.

JaimeRoberto (shama/lama/ding dong) on October 30, 2021 at 9:11 pm

What a bunch of assholes.

trshmnstr the terrible on October 30, 2021 at 7:42 pm

I’m sure I’m shitting quaaludes with this one, but FREEEEEEDOOOOMMMMM!!!!

Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 8:43 pm

Who the fuck is that?
pistoffnick on October 30, 2021 at 9:35 pm

I like her
- trshmnstr the terrible on October 30, 2021 at 9:42 pm
  
  #metoo. She talks a good game.
  - Hyperion on October 30, 2021 at 9:45 pm
    
    She is living proof that love doesn’t have to be all about looks.
    - pistoffnick on October 30, 2021 at 9:56 pm
      
      “Where can I find me a girl like that?”

J. Frank Parnell on October 30, 2021 at 7:44 pm

Did anyone post a link yet to the 1976 Paul Lynde Halloween Special featuring Florence Henderson, Betty White, Donny & Marie, and KISS?

If not, well, there it is. Enjoy.

Saturday evening all hallows links

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