An appeal to insomniac Glib Christians and other Glib philosophers who enjoy navel contemplation about one of Western civilization’s greatest influences, and is like it in any gun-toting. Do not let your mind stray for the technical implications, Program origins, and why the ancient Council of Nicaea still affects us to this day,and to you, expressed even in the ethnic and geopolitical boundaries in Europe and the Near-Middle East.I struggle personally with the concept of the Trinity, commonly known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. I believe that all three exist are in close—even overlapping—existence with each other, but I can’t see them as “the same.”

I’m not Arian, either (if indeed my understanding of Arianism is accurate). I do believe that God, Christ’, and the Spirit were all there “at the beginning”, not that God separately created Christ and the Spirit later. Genesis, Chapter 1:

1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

So here we have God creating the universe through “the Spirit”.

Then the wonderful book of John:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. […]

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

So here we have God, the Spirit, and Christ all together in the Beginning but also separate in their physical/spiritual manifestation and indeed, their timing. The book of Revelation says that no one knows the hour of the end times, not even the Son, but only the Father. So that shows a distinction between knowledge and indicator of some individuality.

Also, at Pentecost (after Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection) Jesus tells his followers:

26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

In my very limited understanding, the Spirit is God and Christ living among us as a non-corporeal being. God before Christ was not directly seen; hence the Ark of the Covenant etc. Then Christ was a man and “dwelt among us for a little while.” But nowadays it’s the Spirit who embraces us, comforts us and performs miracles., great and small. The Spirit never asks for praise but is there to bind us closely to the Father and the Son, whom the Spirit exhorts us to praise.

Who physically wrestled Jacob, and who was the fourth figure along with the Israelite servants (Daniel, Chapter 3):

24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished and rose up in haste. He declared to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the fire?” They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”

25 He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”

The Spirit? The Son of God before he was born in earthly form? An angel?

Anyway, the TL:DR version is, if anyone can point me to good reading on what the holy Trinity is and what was believed about it in the early church days, I’d appreciate it very much.

Secondary point: adjacent civilizations will alway try to conquer each other and re-write history to leave to others.