Making Stock

by | Feb 4, 2021 | Cooking, Food & Drink, LifeSkills | 281 comments

The Espagnole sauce for the Mother Sauces project calls for brown stock.  So, I decided to make my own from scratch.

I make a lot of chicken stock.  Whenever I roast a chicken (usually once a month or so), I make stock from the bones.  I also save onion and garlic skins, carrot peels, celery tops, etc. to add to the stock pot.  I tie the vegetable trimmings in a piece of cheese cloth and toss them in.  I just use what I happen to have on hand, and then add in a bay leaf and some peppercorns.  But, this brown stock is specific to the espagnole sauce, and so I will make a ‘proper’ brown stock. I followed the Spruce Eats recipe.

First, bones.  You want either beef or veal bones. Typically, you want something with good cartilage, as that is what gives the stock the body.  The only bones available were marrow bones, so I decided to use some ox tails as well. (So technically, I guess I am making broth as a broth is made with meat and vegetables and a stock is bones and vegetables.  Whatever, I’m using plenty of bones.)

Because this is a brown stock, the bones need to be roasted.  A white stock is made with raw bones.

Next, we need to add vegetables.  In this case, mire poix.  Mire poix is a mix of onions, carrots, and celery in a 2-1-1 ratio. That is 2 parts onion, 1 part carrot and 1 part celery.  It is frequently used in French (and really most of western) cooking.  (Cajun cooking uses the holy trinity – onions, bell pepper and celery in a 1-1-1 ratio.) Brown stock also calls for roasted mire poix. Halfway through roasting the bones, I added the mire poix to the bones and let it roast for another half hour.  The Spruce Eats recipe also calls for some tomato to be added to the roasting bones and vegetables, but I didn’t do it.

 

Once the bones and vegetables are roasted, I put them in my stock pot and add enough cold water to cover the bones.  I also added an herb sachet of garlic, bay leaves, parsley, peppercorns and thyme, some tomato paste, and two capfuls of apple cider vinegar.  Now, the recipes I read said that brown stock required some tomato product because it adds acid and that helps bring out the collagen and gelatin.  My mother always added apple cider vinegar because it would bring out the collagen and calcium when making stock.  So, I am adding apple cider vinegar in addition to the tomato paste.

When I make stock, I usually put the bones and the cheesecloth packet of vegetable trimmings in crock pot, add water and let it go for about 8-10 hours. If I’ve put off making stock (saving the bones in the freezer until I have 2 chickens’ worth of bones, I’ll put it in the stock pot, bring to a boil, turn down the heat, and leave it for about 3-4 hours.   I’ll check it occasionally in both situations to make sure the water still covers the bones and to skim off a little of the foam that forms on the top, but otherwise I ignore it.  This recipe, however, says you should not let it boil, just simmer. *sigh*

My experience is that if I bring something to a boil on the stove, then turn it down, it will start boiling again before too long – not a rolling boil, but definitely more than a simmer.  To keep this stock from boiling, I have to babysit the stock pot and occasionally turn off the heat, let it stop boiling, then turn the heat back on.  It was very fiddly, and I can’t tell the difference between this stock and what I usually make.

Note that one thing I have not added is salt.  I never add salt when I make stock.  Stock is intended to be an ingredient and it is often reduced.  If you reduce a stock with salt, the liquid evaporates and leaves the salt behind which can result in an overly salty final product. Therefore, I never add salt when making a stock.

Anyway, once the stock had taken on a nice color, I took it off the heat and strained it.  I normally strain my stock, but not through cheesecloth.  Because the recipe called for straining through a cheesecloth, I did it this time.

I strained the stock into a metal dutch oven that I placed in the sink with ice water.  This is recommended in the recipe but is something I do anyway.  This is a food safety issue.  If you just stick 6 quarts of hot liquid in the refrigerator, it isn’t going to cool quickly enough. It’s also going to raise the temperature in your refrigerator.  So, instead, the dutch oven is placed in the sink; I strain the stock into it and then when the water in the sink warms, I drain it and replace with cold water until the stock is room temperature.  I also stir the stock to make sure all of it is cooling. Then I put it in the refrigerator and leave it overnight.  The next day, I skim off the fat.  It will have risen to the top and you can almost lift it off the stock.  This stock is nicely gelatinized, but I don’t think it is better than my usual method.

I did the stock this way because we are doing “a project” for the mother sauces and it was fun to try the official, proper method.  It reminded me that Escoffier and many French cooking texts are really aimed at professional, restaurant chefs.  They can make sure a stock doesn’t boil and only simmers because that’s what they do.  They aren’t making stock while also cleaning the house or writing a paper for work.  They can do fiddly things like start the bones roasting, then add mire poix, then add some tomato, etc. because that’s their job.  In the future, I’ll make stock the way I have always done it, put bones and vegetable trimmings in the pot and just check it occasionally.  I can’t tell the difference anyway.

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281 Comments

  1. westernsloper

    and then add in a bay leaf

    *Hyperbole triggerd

    • Tulip

      He doesn’t like bay leaves? Well, that’s it, done with him. I mean contrarian and all that, ok. But this, THIS is BEYOND THE PALE!

      • westernsloper

        He thinks it is a conspiracy and Bay leaves add no flavor but are only promoted by Big Bay. Pretty sure he read it on Qanon.

      • rhywun

        I know I’ve heard that somewhere else but I don’t hang out anywhere else so it must have been Hyp.

        I think… he’s right.

      • westernsloper

        Rhy outed as belonging to the Bay wing of Qanon.

      • Tulip

        *sigh* I don’t want to cancel you too Rhy. Please don’t make me.

      • rhywun

        You can keep using your totem-leaves, no skin off my back.

      • pistoffnick

        I think I side with Hyperbole on this one. I can’t tell the difference whether I add a few bay leaves or not. It takes 10 or 12 leaves to get a faint taste. But then you have to fish the leaves out of your broth or sauce. And they really don’t add much.

        Or maybe my taste buds are dying prematurely. I don’t know. I put Tony Chacherie’s Cajun seasoning on nearly everything. I even have a bottle of it at work.

      • Count Potato

        It’s noticeable in its absence.

      • westernsloper

        Nick outed as belonging to the Bay wing of Qanon.

        So you add cajun seasoning to everything and don’t taste those couple bay leaves? Imagine that.

      • pistoffnick

        I LIKE BOLD TASTES!

      • Particular Individual

        Bay leaves in stock never bothered me much.

      • db

        I am just so friggin’ tired of all the shots taken through trees at the sun, just to get the damn compound lens flare effect.

      • limey

        Michael Bay takes kickbacks from big lens flare. It is known.

      • The Hyperbole

        It’s not a conspiracy, It’s science! You’re putting 1 or 2 little leaves in a big pot of soup/stock/whatever and then taking them out, what did you add? a couple molecules of bay essense. It’s the homeopathy of cooking.

      • Count Potato

        IKR?

    • straffinrun

      Last time I ate a bay leaf I didn’t like it so much.

    • hayeksplosives

      If you don’t like the taste of Bay Leaf, I could see leaving it out.

      If you think that bay leaf adds no flavor, your bay leaves are too old.

      Buy new ones from an Indian market so they are fresher than the jarred ones that have been at the grocery store for years.

    • pan fried wylie

      *Hyperboleaf treeggerd

  2. westernsloper

    Stock is intended to be an ingredient and it is often reduced. If you reduce a stock with salt, the liquid evaporates and leaves the salt behind which can result in an overly salty final product. Therefore, I never add salt when making a stock.

    I did not know this. I add salt to mine but it is never reduced much in the stuff I cook.

    Sounds like a lot of work Tulip. Thanks.

    • DEG

      I don’t remember if I added salt to the stocks I’ve made. The extra salt wouldn’t bother me, I don’t mind salty food.

      • Playa Manhattan

        I add yeast extract as a primary flavoring, which turns out to be at least 30% sodium. It’s good, though.

      • westernsloper

        I salt everything (kosher and lightly) and only occasionally say, whoa, too much salt. I notice it in restaurant food more than my own.

      • rhywun

        I think it’s a good tip, though. I love salt and I DO occasionally oversalt. So anything that gives more control over the final salt content seems smart to me.

        I still look sideways at “unsalted butter”, though.

      • Count Potato

        I often use unsalted butter.

      • pistoffnick

        “I still look sideways at “unsalted butter”, though.”

        I agree.

      • DEG

        The one time I tried unsalted butter, everything tasted wrong.

        Salted only.

      • Tulip

        You need unsalted butter for baking and cooking so you can better adjust the salt. Use salted butter for spreading on bread.

      • Tulip

        Also salted butter won’t go rancid (as quickly) if left on the counter.

      • westernsloper

        Whatever

      • pistoffnick

        Look at Ms. Moneybags, who can afford to stock her fridge with 2 kinds of butter! ;^)

      • Tulip

        I know how to shitlord.

      • rhywun

        Yeah, I don’t bake, so I’m willing to sacrifice that tiny bit of saltage control.

        But I get the point. I just find salted butter too useful in most other contexts.

      • KromulentKristen

        Basically, you should be the only one adding salt to your cooking if at all possible. You can still make things as salty as you want, but if you’re getting salt content from other ingredients, like butter or stock, it’s harder to control.

      • Tulip

        ^Kristen said it better

      • Count Potato

        Also, if you try to make ghee from salted butter it will taste like the Dead Sea took a piss in your curry.

        I also use to make roux to keep gravy from being to salty.

        I’m also a fan of the extra flavor of cultured unsalted butter. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen cultured salted butter.

      • hayeksplosives

        I am limited to 1500 mg sodium per day, so I don’t salt stock either.

      • UnCivilServant

        🙁

        I’d be lost if I had to stick to that tiny amount of salt.

        I mean, per day?

      • Brochettaward

        Is that just your diet preference or something else, if you don’t mind me asking?

    • KromulentKristen

      For a bunch of libertarians, you sure like to cede control of your salt content to outside forces!

      • westernsloper

        For a couple libertarian broads you sure like to tell people how to eat their butter.

      • KromulentKristen

        At least I’m not telling you how to eat your quinoa cakes.

      • Brochettaward

        I can only think of a few “foods” less libertarian than quinoa.

      • Gdragon

        I know a good euphemism when I hear one

      • pistoffnick

        THERE IS NO SUCH THING (ok, rarely) AS TOO MUCH SALT.

      • blackjack

        You spelled garlic wrong.

      • DrOtto

        This guy gets it.

  3. KromulentKristen

    I ate that stock!

    • Tulip

      And it was good!

      • KromulentKristen

        Damn right

  4. Playa Manhattan

    “Whenever I roast a chicken (usually once a month or so), I make stock from the bones. ”

    YES. Anything that isn’t eaten goes straight into the stock pot.

    • Playa Manhattan

      *disclaimer

      More than once a month

    • limey

      Whoa. Back up a little ways there, gramps. You are telling me that chicken has bones?

      /Gen Z

      • blackjack

        So all those nuggets I ate had bones?

      • rhywun

        Ground up filler-bones.

      • blackjack

        I know. I don’t actually eat nuggets, but my kid eats them by the dozen.

      • DrOtto

        This is why I don’t eat chicken nuggets or strips. Fried chicken on the bone or I’ll pass.

      • limey

        Bony chicky nuggies

      • rhywun

        Chicken tendy nub-nubs.

      • blackjack

        Chicken lugnuts

      • Count Potato

        How do they fly with boneless wings?

      • The Last American Hero

        I did a class trip to the boneless skinless chicken ranch once. *shudders*

    • westernsloper

      I used to make it all the time now not so much. I have a small refrigerator with a smaller freezer and I throw away as much food as I eat. Hard to cook for one when one is an idiot and wants to make new things all the time. The guys at work like it though. I have about 2 gallons of a newly made up soup to take to work when I go back Tues.

      • pistoffnick

        It’s hard to cook for my family who are all picky eaters. The middle daughter is getting better, but only because her boyfriend eats nearly anything (except for meat). My youngest is the worst. He only eats plain cheese pizza, my wife’s bland-ass chicken noodle soup, and peanut butter sandwiches.

        Its why I like cooking for the guys at deer camp. They’ll eat anything as long as they don’t have to cook it. Swedish meatballs, Venison Stroganoff, Deer heart tacos (they won’t go for the deer tongue tacos yet, I’m working on them)…

      • egould310

        Deer tongue tacos; the tacos that taste you back!

      • blackjack

        Once you get them to eat those, you’ve got it licked!

      • pistoffnick

        If you are ever in Long Beach, California, I strongly urge you to drive down to the docks. Look for the seediest taco truck you can find. Ask for the lengua (cow tongue) tacos. If they serve them with pickled carrots and jalapenos, you’ll know it is the real thing.

        IT. WILL. BLOW. YOUR. MIND.

      • westernsloper

        They serve those a block from where I work. And I don’t work in Long Beach. Not uncommon at all in my neck of the world. It’s not bad but I choose their asada or the carnitas over the tongue.

      • egould310

        I lived in The LBC for fifteen years, and ate many fine tacos. My local spot https://yelp.to/hX04JphkCdb

        I’ve found some decent tacos here in Seattle. But one thing I miss about SoCal is all the tacos.

      • blackjack

        Socal is the world’s best place to get Mexican food. It’s better than most of Mexico. Certainly better than any place east of here.

      • Playa Manhattan

        Costco Business sells cabeza meat here,

      • pistoffnick

        I had a barbequed goat head in Fort Worth once. It was very good, but I had to turn it around so it looked away from me.

        I was amused at the Costco’s in Hawaii. They had whole suckling pigs in the freezer.

      • rhywun

        The little halal market across the street where I do much of my shopping has fresh lamb and/or veal carcasses on display.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        Back when I was in DC, our local Costco sold whole goat and whole lamb. I never took the plunge.

      • Tulip

        Gotta go to the immigrant grocery stores for goat, whole lambs etc. One good thing about this area is we have them all. Asian, Middle Eastern, Latino and even African.

      • zwak

        There is a place in Reno, Louis’ Basque House I think, out on 4th that makes a lengua salsa. Damn good eating!

      • KSuellington

        I love Louis’ Basque Corner! Never had the lengua there but their tripe is awesome. Always start with a Picon Punch.

      • DrOtto

        Oddly enough, the first time I had lengua tacos was on St. Paul’s west side. There was a taco truck on S. Robert @ State street that was 2 legit 2 quit. Now that I live in TX, I still get them from time to time, but carnitas are my go to.

      • Tulip

        Picky eaters are no fun to cook for. Sorry.

      • Count Potato

        No, I do not.

      • pistoffnick

        I haven’t tried those, but I have had “Rocky Mountain Oysters” (beef nuts). With enough batter and fried in oil, they were tasty.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Surprisingly cheap too. 2 for a buck.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Pro Tip: Avoid the discount 3 for a buck deals you might run into. Worse than gas station sushi.

      • PutridMeat

        I….

        I mean….

        Never mind.

      • Gender Traitor
      • Pope Jimbo

        A disheveled doe stumbles out of the woods and says “Last time I ever do that for 5 bucks”

      • hayeksplosives

        My stepsons had been allowed to turn down food before I came along and put an end to it.

        They were 8 and 10 years old. I just cooked lovely food and then played them against each other to get them to try it.

        “Well you’r brother is adventurous enough to try it.”

        Pretty soon they learned that new food could be wonderful, and even if not, it wasn’t the end of the world.

        Now they are in their 20s and want me to make a recipe book for them of all their favorites I used to make.

  5. Playa Manhattan

    Do you have a long term storage method?

    • Tulip

      The freezer

    • Pope Jimbo

      Am I my broth-er’s keeper?

  6. blackjack

    I thought you just let your Reddit friend make the stock and then the government arrests them all.

    • westernsloper

      *snort

    • Swiss Servator

      *squints suspiciously*

  7. Count Potato

    “I also save onion and garlic skins, carrot peels, celery tops, etc. to add to the stock pot.”

    I don’t do that, but I do save parsley stems if I know I’m going to make stock, and I remember.

    “Now, the recipes I read said that brown stock required some tomato product because it adds acid and that helps bring out the collagen and gelatin.”

    I’m no French chef, but I’ve read recipes where tomatoes were roasted with the mire poix. Regardless, tomato will need to be added at some point to make espagnole. Interestingly, it’s not called “espagnole” because tomato sauce is Spanish, but because the French considered Spaniards “brown”. Auguste Escoffier would be so cancelled.

    • Tulip

      I added tomato lasted while making the stock. I just didn’t roast the tomato paste.

    • SP

      My grandmother taught me to save all vegetable parings in the freezer to make broth. I still do it. I save up 2 gallon bags of parings, then make broth and can it. We always have delicious, well-flavored broth on hand.

  8. egould310

    Sounds like a hardy stock, prepared by hardy stock.

    • Tulip

      Did you just call me fat?

      • Spudalicious

        Yep. He did.

      • egould310

        Why no, not at all. You’re just big boned… er, I mean it looks like you roasted many big bones. Yeah, that’s what I meant.

        I’ll leave now….

      • Brochettaward

        I think you can take him, if you want to go that route. You are hardy, after all.

    • Tulip

      Eh, whatever. Now I have a new line with which to torture men: “does this stock make me look fat?”

    • straffinrun

      That recipe will put hair on your bones. Yummy, Tulip.

    • westernsloper

      That is awesome. Please let that be true.

  9. Count Potato

    “AZ Senate expected to pass resolution authorizing arrest of Maricopa County Board members for failing to comply with election-related subpoena

    The Arizona Senate on Wednesday introduced a resolution to hold all members of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors in contempt, which carries the possibility of arrest, for noncompliance with a subpoena that demanded access to the county’s voting machines and ballots from the November 2020 election.

    The Senate has 30 members, including 16 Republicans. Because all 16 sponsored the resolution, it is likely to pass.

    Wednesday’s resolution stipulates that “…the President of the Arizona Senate take all legal action pursuant to section 41-1153, Arizona Revised Statutes, to enforce the subpoena.”

    The statute cited holds that a person who defies a legislative subpoena “may be arrested by the sergeant-at-arms and brought before the senate or house upon authority of a copy of the resolution signed by the president or speaker, and countersigned by the secretary or chief clerk.”

    The five members of the Maricopa Board say they cannot provide the access the subpoena demands because state law requires ballots to be sealed and the voting machines should stay secure.”

    https://disrn.com/news/az-senate-expected-to-pass-resolution-authorizing-arrest-of-maricopa-county-board-members-for-failing-to-comply-with-election-related-subpoena

    • blackjack

      If you’ve done nothing wrong…

      Seriously, if I ignore a subpoena, I get arrested, why not them?

      • rhywun

        I don’t care if Dominion is squeaky-clean. The fact that they and every administration that uses them is fighting transparency tooth-and-nail speaks volumes.

      • Count Potato

        “Why won’t you let me search your car if you have nothing to hide?”

      • blackjack

        The constitution protects us from the government, not the other way around.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Prepare for incoming lawsuit from the Dominion.

      • Tres Cool

        If any of use gets subpoenaed, and ignore it, do we get a chance to read in the news outlets how they’re planning to arrest us?
        No. They roll up, toss some flash-bangs, kick the door in, and shoot your doge(s). Or you and your family.

    • westernsloper

      But, but, the vote was certified and all claims of fraud were invalidated because the courts denied hearing any case and the courts are always right!

      So state law declares you can’t audit election results? I have a hard time believing that…….right up until I typed that last sentence. I actually believe they would write that law.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        It has gone beyond disgust to a point of detached resignation for me. OK, you goons, you win. You can dismantle everything this country stood for. Now please ignore all the preparations I’m making for when reality comes back and bites y’all on the ass.

  10. Tres Cool

    Where Kristen (Kromulent-type, 1 each) at ?

    How fun is this guy’s job ?

    • KromulentKristen

      Zoooooom!

    • westernsloper

      I’ve seen that but it was in a place that shall go unnamed in this forum. Fucking. Awesome.

      • KromulentKristen

        ?

      • Tres Cool

        airfoilpr0n.com ?

      • The Other Kevin

        FBI training?

    • Gustave Lytton

      Dammit! I saw it the other day and forgot to link it here.

      That is awesome. Wheels up at something like 30AGL and then near vertical vortices.

  11. Count Potato

    “What fresh hell is this”

    https://twitter.com/emrata/status/1357418778842312713

    Should I be more surprised at EmRat quoted Dorothy Parker, or that the President looks like he is on his way to have gay sex with Corn Pop?

  12. trshmnstr the terrible

    Mother in law is panicking because evidently my wife and kids were exposed to somebody (my sister in law) who had covid over last weekend.

    I can hear my wife talking her off the ledge right now. I so very much want to go into the room and cough up a storm.

  13. rhywun

    W00t switched back to Windows last week and just got my first new-fangled BSOD. Gee I missed that.

    • Tres Cool

      I get a couple per week. Evidently my AVG anti-virus doesnt play well.
      Im waiting for either party to sort it out.

    • pistoffnick

      Old computer died recently. New computer comes with a hard drive on the motherboard (Preloaded with Windows). IT. WILL. NOT. BOOT. TO.A.USB.DRIVE. SO.I.CAN’T.INSTALL.LINUX. Dual boot is similarly hosed. sigh.

      • Count Potato

        You can’t boot from an external drive at all?

      • pistoffnick

        Nope

      • Count Potato

        Wow

        What are you supposed to do if it crashes?

  14. dbleagle

    The link is to a RCI article outlining the flow of Impeachment 1.0. It appears to have been designed from the start to serve as a vaccine for Biden’s corrupt overseas ties. From the outset Nancy and Moobs knew the impeachment could not succeed on the stated purpose but it could perform two important 2020 electoral functions: 1) fulfill the promise to their base to impeach OMB; and 2) give the media cover to deny and/or ignore accusations of Biden corruption. The strategy worked in it gave cover to the MSM ignore Hunter’s laptop from start, ignore the question of who the “Big Guy” was.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/02/04/hiding_biden_how_democrats_crafted_the_first_impeachment_helping_defeat_trump_with_media_help_127009.html

    • Brochettaward

      I can’t emphasize enough how badly this country needed the Democrats and the bureaucracy to be punished for their behavior before and after the 2016 election. What Obama did spying on the Trump campaign was worse than anything Nixon ever did.

      I’d say that instead they were rewarded, but I don’t buy that this was a legitimate election.

      • creech

        The mystery is: why the fuck didn’t Trump do something about it? Notwithstanding that Trump and the GOP failed to take the 2018 election seriously, they still had the previous two years to move against the fuckers. Was he too lazy, incompetent or a conspirator himself? I know, “he didn’t want to disillusion the American people about the character of his predecessor’s administration.”

      • Brochettaward

        Trump was basically a caged animal in DC. He had little real power, just a title. He may have had a shot if he brought in all outsiders, his own people and completely rejected GOP insiders, but he instead he did the opposite and basically let them control him. I mean, Trump had no political background at all, probably didn’t actually think he’d win himself, and had no real plan once he did.

        When the Clinton’s went to DC in the 90’s, they brought in their own people and over time made the DNC theirs. But they had a background in politics. Anyone in politics Trump knew would have shunned his ass during the campaign because the guy was a fucking Democrat for most of his life.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Shit, the GOP failed to take 2016 election seriously. Their first order of business should have been to repeal Obamacare, up or down.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Trump was incompetent. He simply wanted the celebrity of being the President. He didn’t want to do any of the real work that goes along with governing/reforming.

        The only thing Trump did well was to antagonize the Swamp and the MSM.

        He surrounded himself with Swamp creatures though and continually got played by them. He let them talk him from actually removing troops from Afghanistan. They lied to him about removing troops from Syria and he didn’t fire the lot of them.

        Of course he wasn’t going to do the actual dirty work of fighting back against all the changes to voting laws because that would have been time consuming, difficult and thankless.

      • Count Potato

        “The only thing Trump did well was to antagonize the Swamp and the MSM.”

        He cut taxes and didn’t start any wars, among other things.

      • rhywun

        Too bad Biden and his minions will undo all of that and then some.

      • Pope Jimbo

        He did do both of those things. But I don’t think either of those were due to him being a 3-D chess master.

        I would have been more impressed if he had cut spending rather than cutting taxes.

        Trump was way better than Hillary would have been, and I loved him belling the MSM but he really could have done a lot more if he could have focused on things for more than 30 seconds.

    • Count Potato

      The irony was that the first impeachment was for what Biden admitted doing, only worse.

    • R C Dean

      They’re overthinking. The Dems impeached Trump because they could. The media buried the Hunter story because they could. Both would have happened without the other.

      • Count Potato

        Oh, see #12 or his twitter to answer your AOC questions.

  15. Gustave Lytton

    Kill me now. My wife has fallen in love with Trey Gowdy and thinks he walks on water. The guy is a swamp creature through and through.

    • Brochettaward

      Eh. I never had much issue with Gowdy. He pissed off the Democrats which is about as much as I hope for from the average Republican. They are just about all swamp creatures. Outside Paul, there’s not a single one I actually like.

  16. commodious spittoon

    Billions of dollars being pumped into manufacturing and marketing fast food fake meat, but I can’t get a low or no-carb bun or wrap or crust or shell or pasta. This country has all the wrong priorities.

    • Brochettaward

      The answer to obesity is plainly obvious, and it isn’t red meat. Mainstream nutritional science, the shit pushed by doctors and the media is complete garbage. I learned that as a teenager.

      Carbs bitches. It’s the carbs.

      • commodious spittoon

        Ancel Keys, the Fauci of his day.

      • PutridMeat

        Something floating in the back of mind lately as well – there seems to be a strong overlap between those who are skeptical of the Covid narrative and the low carb/keto community. I wonder if both those positions are downstream of being a contrarian or whether over the course of coming to a low carb, fat is not the enemy pov, one sees from their own experience how disingenuous and/or just flat out wrong experts /scientists can be and often are; and how the political ones won’t back off in the face of data once they’ve staked a position.

  17. Count Potato

    “WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Mitt Romney (R-UT) today announced a framework to provide greater financial security for American families by streamlining existing family policies to create one universal child benefit. The Family Security Act would create a new national commitment to American families by modernizing antiquated federal policies into a monthly cash benefit amounting to $350 a month for each young child, and $250 a month for each school-aged child.

    Romney’s proposal would ensure that expecting parents receive the help they need to face expenses associated with preparing for a child, and low-income families would no longer have to choose between a bigger paycheck or maintaining eligibility for support. Parents would be eligible to receive the cash benefit 4 months prior to their child’s due date, and it would continue to be administered on a monthly basis. The plan would immediately lift nearly 3 million children out of poverty, while providing a bridge to the middle class – without adding a dime to the federal deficit.”

    https://www.romney.senate.gov/romney-offers-path-provide-greater-financial-security-american-families

    https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1357346318864195588

    without adding a dime to the federal deficit?

    • commodious spittoon

      That’ll ensure it gets no Democrat cosigners.

      Too lazy to click through to see whether it has a Democrat cosigner.

    • Brochettaward

      1. Of course it’s going to add to the deficit.
      2. ” a new national commitment to American families”
      I’m real fucking tired of this notion that it’s the job of everyone to support someone else’s kids or their choice to pop out kids. If you can’t afford them, then you shouldn’t be having them. That’s what society should be hoping to teach people. But instead you get cunts like Romney acting like its some noble choice to be a parent and that the rest of society needs to pay for those mistakes.
      3. I hope Mitt Romney dies in a fire. I say that with no shame.

      • commodious spittoon

        Given what tHe InsUrREcTiOn narrative will be used to do to civil rights in the coming years, I wish the rioters had managed to wring some necks while they were in there.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb?

      • rhywun

        I’m real fucking tired of this notion that it’s the job of everyone to support someone else’s kids or their choice to pop out kids.

        Amen.

        The plan would immediately lift nearly 3 million children out of poverty,

        OFFS what horseshit. WTF is the already existing gigantic piles of cash being thrown at children for if not to bring them out of “poverty”?

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        The plan would immediately lift nearly 3 million children out of poverty,

        Fine Mittens, you can pass this, but only on one condition. If even one child less than 3M is raised out of poverty (as measured today, no fudging the numbers) as of this date in 2023, STEVE SMITH gets to have his way with you publicly at the national mall until either he gets bored or you bleed out.

    • creech

      How will feds ensure it gets spent on the kids and not at Gucci, the liquor store, or on a new Benz?

      • rhywun

        Put a bureaucracy on it!

      • limey

        Not always mutually exclusive.

    • J. Frank Parnell

      without adding a dime to the federal deficit?

      Factcheck: True
      It won’t add a dime to the federal deficit.

  18. Gustave Lytton

    1. I used to think the trinity was equal parts, but reading recipes, most seem to be 2-1-1 like conventional mirepoix.

    2. My broth method is pressure cooker. Brown chicken carcass and a half (if not used for a meal), throw in veggies, spices (garlic, pepper, bay leaf, herbs de Provence, and yes salt), add water and bring up to high. Cook for 1 hour, let it naturally release, and strain through fine wire mesh strainer. Skim congealed fat layer off the next day and freeze in smaller containers. Use pressure cooked half chicken for chicken salad.

    For beef broth, wife doesn’t like oxtail cuts or bones so usually have to throw in another cut like a roast portion but doesn’t have the gelatin content for a really good beef broth.

    3. I hate websites that use the definitive article (“The Spruce Eats”) and ones that omit vowels (“The Kitchn”).

    • straffinrun

      I don’t put in the Holy Ghost. Too creepy.

      • Gustave Lytton

        *pictures cookpot going flying off the stove, Benny Hinn style*

      • Pope Jimbo

        I think the Holy Ghost is mostly used when cooking Swiss cuisine.

    • slumbrew

      Instant pot broth, using chicken wings, but similar (brown wings in batches, add veggies, etc.). Great results.

    • Count Potato

      “Trinity” is a very recent term. You won’t find it any old creole cookbooks.

      “My broth method is pressure cooker”

      That is the best way. I always add salt too. Then again I almost always use it for soup. I don’t make demi glace.

      • egould310

        “Holy Trinity” is a Emeril Lagasse turn of phrase, if I’m correct. Started on his TV appearances in the late 90’s or so. I could be wrong. I often am.

        I could be drunk. I often am.

      • Count Potato

        It was before him, but way after the “breakfast and Brennan’s, dinner at Andre’s” jabber.

      • Mojeaux

        I have had bfast at Brennan’s and dinner at Antoine’s.

      • Count Potato

        Right, Antoine’s. Did I mention the drunk thing?

    • Count Potato

      Well, for only $20 I’m willing to write why I’m drunk now.

    • hayeksplosives

      How he has managed to cast himself as a victim is mind boggling.

    • rhywun

      I’m definitely living my life wrong.

      • Tulip

        He just picked the right family. Or, he picked the right family to make money. I wouldn’t trade mine for his, ever.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Hunter Biden is a lawyer and former lobbyist whose work helped lead to the first impeachment of Trump.

      The man America needs.

  19. DenverJ

    Xfinity is giving me weird messages when I try to log in here or at TOS. Using my phone with wifi turned off I can log in

  20. Brochettaward

    There’s a new burger chain place based on the smash burger concept (started by some Youtube guy) called Mr. Beastburger. They have some locations near me. It’s delivery only, but their app sucks. Kind of a big deal when your business model is delivery only.

    On that subject, I was actually curious how many people around here have heard of or tried smash burgers?

    • Gender Traitor

      There’s one along one of our nearest retail & restaurant rows. Don’t go there often, but it’s pretty good. Don’t really remember much about the burgers, but as I recall they have tasty seasoned (& batter-dipped?) fries.

      • Brochettaward

        Don’t really remember much about the burgers

        Haven’t had it yet. Was hoping someone could give a quick review. Good burgers should be cheap. I like the smash style/thinner burgers in general. Far better than the pub burger style you pay $10-12 for at most places. It looks like my kind of place. Hoping to try it Sunday assuming they are actually open.

      • Gender Traitor

        ::checks menu:: Not batter-dipped, but seasoned & tossed in olive oil.

      • UnCivilServant

        You had me until you threw in the olive oil.

      • Gender Traitor

        tossed in rosemary, garlic, olive oil.

        I think the batter-dipped fries I was thinking of were Rally’s. I always liked those, but most of the Rally’s near us have closed. : (

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m trying to expand my repertoire of cooking skills, but I’m not to the point of deep frying.

        But now I’m wondering if batter-dipped purple potato fries might not be such a bad first choice. It’s less risky than chicken.

      • Gender Traitor

        Purple potato fries sound like fun whether they’re batter-dipped or not. Of course, if they’re batter-dipped, the purple is more of a surprise.

        But what I really want to do is beta-read your macaroni & cheese. (NOT a euphemism.)

      • But Enough About [this space intentionally left blank]

        I dunno, as a euphemism, it’s pretty hot…

      • UnCivilServant

        I’ll have to make a new batch, because I finished off the last one.

        The ingredient list is simple:
        Pasta
        cheese
        milk
        flour
        butter

        The technique is where the practice is needed.

      • UnCivilServant

        The last time, I started the sauce too soon, and still didn’t give the flour enough time to cook before adding the milk.

        As cheese, a mix of cheddar and mozzerella works well.

      • Count Potato

        If you are using flour and butter then make roux, add the milk, spices, let it boil for a minute, take it off the heat, and fold in the cheese.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        You can buy Rally’s fries frozen. Don’t know how they compare.

      • rhywun

        I’ve had them. Pretty good for frozen fries.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Tossed? Or dipped?

        Asking for my friend Pop Eye.

    • tripacer

      My girlfriend likes to make them. They’re ok I guess. I can accept that it’s just a different style of burger. The problem is that to make them you have to to the thing that shall never be done to a burger…. smash the juice out. The good part is they are small, so they fit on a “standard” size bun.

      • Brochettaward

        The juice doesn’t get smashed out and they don’t cook long enough to lose the juice. I don’t know what you’re eating. They’re by far my favorite style of burger.

      • tripacer

        Sometimes I’m not sure what I’m eating… but I don’t say anything when it’s ready when I get home from work.

      • Brochettaward

        Well, they definitely should not be dry if done correctly. As stated below, you only have to cook them for 1-2 minutes on each side. And smashing them as soon as you put them on the pan doesn’t force out any juices.

      • tripacer

        They’re not dry, just crispy on the outside. Squished with soggy onions.

      • rhywun

        Food Lab guy has a thing on them in his book. They’re good. I think it’s what Shake Shack does too.

        But I prefer the thick “pub” burger style.

    • Count Potato

      By “smash burgers” do you mean the White Castle thing where you put chopped onions on it and whack it with a spatula?

      • Brochettaward

        No. Those are just sliders/small thin burgers. And if I’m remembering correctly, steamed. Smash burgers are there own thing. In-N-Out burgers being one example. They are thin and smaller (I go for 4 oz), but meant to give a bit of a crust to the burger while retaining the juices inside. They are physically smashed after being formed into small balls and cooked on high heat. Typically for 1-2 minutes on each side so they retain their juices. They are pretty much idiot proof and, as stated, the classic American burger.

        I’ve been thinking about doing a quick article on the smash burger and the correct way to enjoy a burger for some of the heathens around here. Hint – it requires American cheese. *spits at UCS* If I write an article, I will totally First on it.

      • Count Potato

        So pretty much White Castle (which aren’t steamed)

      • Brochettaward

        I have never actually had White Castle, but I’ve always understood them to be steamed:

        White Castle burgers aren’t grilled, they’re steamed. They stack a pile of onions on the grill, then put 30 patties (exactly the number in a Crave Case!) on top. The steam travels through the onions and cooks the burgers, while the holes in the burgers let the steam get inside and through the patties. This ensures an even cooking surface across the patties and eliminates the need to flip the burgers (remember, they are being steamed). It also means they need to spend less time on the grill — and they can get out faster.

        https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/why-white-castle-burgers-have-holes

        It’s a completely different method of cooking.

      • Count Potato

        To me, steamed are those little grill top boxes they use in Connecticut.

    • Count Potato

      Maddox is still round?

      • Brochettaward

        He’s kind of around, but he was basically completely cucked when he lost a power struggle with his former podcast partner. Was left with no audience and completely humiliated.

  21. SP

    #notvegan

      • egould310

        Caught With the Meat In Your Mouth by Dead Boys https://youtu.be/BPMgiGWPgvw

        And Dead Boys are one of the greatest bands ever and they’re from Cleveland and Stiv was a complete psychotic reprobate who may have been a genius and I love all the music and it’s time for more vodka

      • Count Potato

        Think I saw them at CBGB’s. Anyway, more rum for me…

      • egould310

        Piece of Meat by Dr. Know https://youtu.be/Ozp32lpMnVY thrashy SoCal hardcore; better than Metallica

        Meat Factory by Flag of Democracy https://youtu.be/fF8_w04iq28

        Frenetic hardcore from Philly. These guys were fast and heavy. And they could also play a sweet love song at 140mph.

      • Count Potato

        I’ve seen Dr. Know too, lol. I think I even had that t-shirt.

      • egould310

        I gotta party with you, dude. And we gotta Party With God by Sacrilege https://youtu.be/QYyFU_Xo1vk

        Not emo

      • Count Potato

        Fuck, yeah! Damn, that is good. Don’t think I’ve ever seen Sacrilege.

        What do you think of Prong?

      • egould310

        Prong hell yeah. Nobody saw Sacrilege.

        Gotta listen to some more Prong.

  22. Pope Jimbo

    Do you like to get plastered and surf fetish sites? (NSFW?)

    No naughty bits are shown, but I’m pretty sure it still wouldn’t be a good thing for you to be looking at this when your employer strolls by.

    • Pope Jimbo

      And may I say web pages have come a long way since 2006. The same site, but from 2006

      Yes, that means that enough people are interested in this fetish to make it a going concern for over 15 years

      • Brochettaward

        I miss the 90’s and 00’s. Geocities was the bomb.

      • Count Potato

        Not that much of an update for 14 years. And still sponsored by Grogan’s Casting Supplies.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Misread that as “cat fetish” at first.

    • Chafed

      What’s a nice Minnesota boy doing looking at a site like that?

  23. egould310

    Things That Make No Sense by Dag Nasty melodic hardcore punk rock. This was the primogeniture of “emo” https://youtu.be/4BvY3iCbBu0

  24. egould310

    Satyagraha by 7 Seconds https://youtu.be/0PwS0deLQgw

    Youth crew band goes (even more) melodic. Nice production on the album. Very nice chorus guitar sound. This tune is “emo” before emo was a thing.

  25. egould310

    Tell Me a Story by Samiam https://youtu.be/Kurafhw7uRM

    Yep. That’s emo. From the East Bay. Good band. Very musical.

  26. Broswater

    Sorry to ruin such a nice food post, but I’m not around for the morning links.

    Dunno if this has been posted here before :

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

    Just a quote :

    Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. After Election Day, they monitored every pressure point to ensure that Trump could not overturn the result. “The untold story of the election is the thousands of people of both parties who accomplished the triumph of American democracy at its very foundation,” says Norm Eisen, a prominent lawyer and former Obama Administration official who recruited Republicans and Democrats to the board of the Voter Protection Program.

    So yeah, they’re bragging about it now.

    • cyto

      They were bragging about it then too.

      From this point in the Trump administration.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html

      I called it out at the time.. bragging about committing felonies to sabotage the transfer of power was a pretty bold move. But one they were justifiably confident in. What we didn’t know was that the entire thing was a hoax layered on top of a hoax.

  27. egould310

    Nothing Left Inside by Black Flag https://youtu.be/MEE8YW1GsQw

    That’s the birth of grunge. I really need to write an article…

    • Count Potato

      If you write it I’ll read it. Maybe I’ll add some of my Henry Rollins stories in the comments.

      (I’m still listening to Dr. Know right now, so much thanks for that!)

      • Chafed

        I want to read those stories.

      • egould310

        Thanks for the Prong refresh; that’s the soundtrack for my morning run. Should be epic.

      • Count Potato

        This is going to sound retarded, but right now I feel better now than I have this year. You know, focus on the music of our lives that was great, rather than the politics that suck.

        (Also if you read the credits on a couple of Prong records, you’ll see my name, lol)

      • egould310

        You were their drug dealer?

      • egould310

        Hey! You have some stories? Do you write? Have you written stuff about Henry, Prong, etc? I’d be interested for some type of publication. I’m starting a new record/book venture and would like to talk.

        Email me at my handle at g mail

      • egould310

        Also, don’t focus on politics. It’s fleeting. Focus on what you can control; you. We can destroy politics, and the political class. Be creative. Create something useful. The more useful things we create that benefit individuals, the less important government and politicians are. And the government and political types hate that.

        We’ll figure out a way to self-organize. Those assholes will be cut out. It seems daunting in the short term, but it’s inevitable.

        Drinking.

        Government Center by Modern Lovers https://youtu.be/RI5okqUxi2k

    • Chafed

      But not until the vodka runs out. Amirite?

      • egould310

        The vodka can run out?!? Nnnnoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

        Vodka Sonic by All Systems Go!

        https://youtu.be/mMaYTKeHQMQ

        Dudes from Big Drill Car and Doughboys got together and did a band. It’s pretty ok. Some dudes are Canadian.

  28. egould310

    Goddamn what a sweet song. Formidable by Sylvain Sylvain https://youtu.be/ZvPfLcrXljg

    Anti-abortion for all you right wing fascist libertarians misogynists.

  29. Yusef drives a Kia

    Nowy mornin fellow Glibs, Howdy!

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Nowy with an S, snowy

    • Sean

      *sigh*

      How is it morning already?

      At least it’s Friday…

    • Sean

      How many grandmas has he killed?

    • The Hyperbole

      Good for him, 7 hours is a bit too far but if they sell gift cards or shirts or something I’ll have to send him some business.

  30. The Hyperbole

    SiriusXM must have changed the format of Soultown, they are playing 90’s stuff now along with the classic soul and Motown, I’m not sure if I’m happy about this.

    • Gender Traitor

      What??? : (

      I could stand for them to have an all Funk channel. I’m sure it would have to be online only & up in the high numbers, but I could manage that on the weekends.

      • Gender Traitor

        I think I may have found something close enough – Channel 50, The Groove, “’70s/80s R&B.”

      • The Hyperbole

        It’s apparently only for Black History Month, they are playing all of Motown not just the classics.

      • leon

        Oh. I was going to quip that as the decades progress the radio stations roll on, eventually leaving us behind in our decade of fancy, hoping we pass from this world before the last oldies radio stations window has our decade pass out of frame.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Now you get to hear the mellifluous sounds of The Notorious BIG and Puff Daddy featuring Jimmy Page. Enjoy…

      • Festus

        And auto-tune. Every song comes with auto-tune.

    • Gender Traitor

      Morning, UCS.

      • UnCivilServant

        The governance board for the never-moving project to replace some ancient systems has decided to hand out some congratulations to people for contributions to the project which hasn’t really gotten off the ground as we haven’t even issued an RFP, but it’s been running for years anyway.

      • Gender Traitor

        So are these “congratulations” in the form of something tangible with value?

      • leon

        You got to start paying out the graft, and if you can do it before the project starts, even better.

      • UnCivilServant

        You don’t pay out to the rank and file state workers.

      • Festus

        Participation Trophies.

      • UnCivilServant

        Looking at the list of invitees, I’m not even sure some of these people participated.

  31. Yusef drives a Kia

    Howdy friends, made it to work, slippery shit I tells ya,

    • Gender Traitor

      Morning, Yu. How’s that Kia on Michigan snow & ice?

    • UnCivilServant

      Ouch.

      Bent rims are expensive.

      • Sean

        I’m amazed the tire survived.

        ~$500.

        /frowny face

      • Festus

        Yep.

  32. Festus

    Mornin’ Glibbies! Heard this random tune on the college station last night https://youtu.be/BhhioIHjgEg and really dug it.

    • Gender Traitor

      Mornin’, Fes!

  33. Sean

    https://www.wfmz.com/news/uk-to-start-hotel-quarantine-feb-15-amid-criticism-of-delay/article_2759c95a-a50c-56eb-883e-ec4cda4a0725.html

    Under the plan, British citizens and residents returning from high-risk countries will have to quarantine in approved hotels near airports and sea ports, patrolled by security guards, and will be billed for their stay. Most international travel is already banned under current restrictions to curb the spread of the virus, and arriving passengers must show a negative coronavirus test and self-isolate. Enforcement of the quarantine has been uneven, however.

    Fun times.