GlibFit 4.0 – Pre-workout Supplements: Useful or Wasteful?

by | Dec 5, 2021 | GlibFit | 322 comments

 

The advertisements are everywhere you look in the fitness world. It is unsurprising since the margins are reportedly huge. Pre-workout supplements seem to promise all things to all people. Need more energy? We got you. Faster recovery? Of course. More/better/faster muscle gain or weight loss? Expensive but worth it. Let’s examine those claims.

For a different audience it may be worth noting the supplement industry is largely unregulated. From you I expect a shoulder shrug or gales of laughter. Of course, you don’t need no stinking authority to tell you what works and what doesn’t. There is actual research that has evaluated the utility of the substances in many pre-workout supplements.

Pre-workout supplements usually contain a proprietary blend of ingredients. While manufacturers insist that their unique blend is responsible for the energy boost, there is invariably just one ingredient producing the buzz: caffeine. Pre-workout supplements are loaded with it. Many leading brands range anywhere from 150 mg to 300 mg per dose. A typical cup of coffee has 100 mg.

Pre-workout supplements contain other ingredients that athletes and bodybuilders regularly use, including creatine, L-arginine, β-alanine, taurine, and betaine.

Irrespective of exercise, caffeine is known to increase metabolic rate, improve endurance, and reduce fatigue. It also stimulates the central nervous system, enhancing brain function for a more productive and effective workout.

Creatine is one of the most popular bodybuilding supplements. Creatine is synthesized from amino acids and concentrated in muscle tissues to enable quick bursts of energy, like sprinting or powerlifting. According to a review of studies published in the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition, creatine supplementation is effective in promoting muscle growth, strength, and performance during high-intensity interval training.

L-arginine is one of the branch-chained amino acids necessary for protein synthesis. L-arginine is also central to creating nitric oxide, a compound that relaxes your blood vessels for better blood flow and oxygen exchange. Despite these metabolic functions, there is little scientific evidence to support claims that supplementation can improve athletic performance.

β-alanine, also known as beta-alanine, is a naturally occurring amino acid produced in your liver that promotes nerve signal function. Some studies have suggested that supplementation may delay the onset of neuromuscular fatigue and enhance athletic performance. On the downside, the supplement can sometimes overstimulate nerve cells, causing tingling sensations known as paresthesia. Because the incidence of this side effect can vary by dose, it is often better to take an individual supplement to better control intake.

Taurine is one of the most abundant amino acids found in the brain, muscles, and organ tissues. It functions as a neurotransmitter, stabilizing cell membranes and regulating the transport of nutrients throughout the body. There is conflicting evidence as to the role taurine supplementation plays in improving athletic performance. According to research published in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, the combined use of taurine and caffeine may accelerate, rather than delay, muscle fatigue.

Betaine is an amino acid that helps process fat and maintain normal liver function. A small study (23 people) conducted in 2013 suggested that betaine supplementation improved body composition, muscle size, and work capacity in bench press and back squat training. Betaine supplementation did not appear to increase strength.

This week’s music is for db whose eyes were recently opened. It’s also a reminder Sarah Silverman once had a sense of humor. Is this the sequel? You be the judge.

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Chafed

Chafed

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322 Comments

  1. Mojeaux

    Caffeine, ephedrine, aspirin.

    Nice stack if you can get it.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Still 200 / 25 / 100 mg? I heed your aforementioned advice daily. Not sure how the pirin tablets potentiate, but if you say so…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4PON6Chgug

      • Mojeaux

        200mg C / 25mg E / 81mg A x3 daily

        I’m not sure what the aspirin does, but now I can’t take it because of my ulcers. When I was really losing and lifting weights, the orange baby aspirin was my treat for the day. Unless I ate a small roll of Smarties before lifting, it was my only sweets of the day.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Thanks; yes, respectively.

    • MikeS

      ephedrine

      The drug warriors do not approve.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Ça y est.

      • Mojeaux

        They changed the formulation. I’m not sure it still has any punch.

        Also Primatene tablets, which are 3x the price of Bronkaid.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        No more guanfacine (expectorant).

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Ahem, ahem. (IDKY the change.)

      • MikeS

        Very interesting. Thanks, Q!

    • Chafed

      Training for Ms. Olympia?

    • DEG

      I haven’t heard of people using that stack in about twenty years.

      • Mojeaux

        Well, that was 20 years ago, so…

        Still doing the caffeine part. Now it’s just to help me stay awake all day.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        qd? bid? tid??

      • Mojeaux

        tid

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Merci

    • C. Anacreon

      This is new. Logging into glibs on the individual seating screens at every seat in the Houston Bush International terminal. You don’t order food or a beer from a person, it’s from the screen, although a person does bring the mechanically precise pour of bourbon to you. The humans should be unnecessary soon. After your order, the screen allows you to access the internet. So hi everyone. A jack and coke was only $19, but the human touch is what made it..er..

      • C. Anacreon

        Great clip, it’s exactly what it was like, except for the hilarious fish.

      • C. Anacreon

        Now boarding the plane back to San Francisco. The cognoscenti are boarding now, grumbling about their experience in the flyover red state of Texas. A middle-aged woman walking by with a bob haircut is telling her companion how outrageous and ignorant the Texas people are, they don’t wear masks anywhere, the baboons. I was very close to asking her, as she was momentarily delayed by a slow passenger hoisting a bag into the overhead, which double-blind peer-reviewed study she felt was most demonstrative of the efficacy of masks. I might have had to inform her there hasn’t been one valid study showing anything more than a three percent improvement in infection transmission in masked persons over unmasked participants, and asked her then what might have been the result if they’d used baboons instead of humans. Oh well, probably better that I get home tonight instead of tossed off the plane.

  2. Nephilium

    When I’m doing a long (20+ miles) ride, I’ll always grab a snack (high carb) 20-30 minutes before I get in the saddle. Snacking on the bike is done in 30 minute intervals after the first 45 minutes of the ride. I’ve bonked once, and don’t want it to happen again.

    • Chafed

      Wowza!

  3. MikeS

    +1 Death to all butt-metal

    ????

  4. Nephilium

    I’m being entertained by the girlfriend trying to learn about “Humanistic Judaism” behind me. I’ve been tapped once for Catholic knowledge (knowing the names of the Apostles).

    • Chafed

      Is Humanistic Judaism just Judaism sans G-d?

      • Tres Cool

        It’s where (((they))) justify the crucifixion.

      • Chafed

        I have a feeling that’s the booze talking.

      • Nephilium

        From what I overheard, and a quick Google search. It appears to be woke Judaism. Which I’m sure will work out as well as woke Catholicism..

      • Chafed

        From the home page, “What’s the Difference
        How Judaism “independent of a supernatural authority” works.” Looks like we are both right. You have my condolences.

    • C. Anacreon

      Always hoped that I’d be an apostle.
      Knew that I would make it if I tried.
      Then when we retire, we can write the Gospels,
      So they’ll still talk about us when we’ve died.

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        +1 Superstar

  5. IRBE

    Hi Chafed, Greetings from NOCAL-BEL. Thanks for edition! Nice easy hike with friends on path, 5 mi with 0 ft. altitude.

    G-fit update: Sleep was excellent. Food was pretty good, no alcohol (see sleep). Hike mileage was down 36 miles. Wim Hoff/meditative “ancient man” techniques; 2 times. Went to gym 1 times. Weight stable at 178! Didn’t fast.

    Goals: Failed goal weight range (175-170)… Still not dead from Covid…MB;MC

    I don’t take any supplements but am very high protein. My son says that Cialis is the current rage in “swolll” culture. Perhaps working out with a hard-on is motivating or the vasodilatation brings more blood to the muscles. Who knows…

    My other son, called me last night to explain how his car was broken into while he was at dinner in “the nice part of Oakland”…with a crow bar to the window. Seem they saw his back back with nothing of worth and smashed the window. I guess it was quicker than opening the unlocked door…Oh well, they left the basketball!

    To live better, fat adapt, skip a meal or three!

    • Nephilium

      I had a friend with a soft top jeep. He eventually just put a sign up in the windows “Car unlocked, please don’t cut through”. He still had to get the top repaired three times after putting the sign up.

      • IRBE

        Yeah, this a is play dumb, pay dumb situation. He knows better. Typically, they would Uber to dinner… but rides are limited and cost (2-3X) more because of piss-ant legislation. In these trying times you have to be patient and smart or be willing to pay the toll.

      • Chafed

        It’s crap like that which makes me plan to leave CA when I retire. My kids can’t (yet) fathom my thinking. Youngest is determined to stay here. We will see if real life experience when she is an adult changes that.

      • Nephilium

        I’m looking forward to talking to my niece (and nephew-in-law), about why they moved back from Orange County to the CLE. I have the feeling that her husband will provide more information.

      • Chafed

        I’m curious to hear what he says.

      • Zwak, All dressed up in his ridiculous seersucker suit

        Having lived in the state from ’75 until 2016, and being a fourth gen Californian, I really do resent how badly they have fucked that place up. Now I get to see Oregon and Washington on the same path.

      • IRBE

        I agree about the resentment. I think Ore has created a PID overshoot when it comes to that path. I seriously looked at moving to Ore and then decided it was more stable here.

      • C. Anacreon

        On Wednesday morning this week, at 8am, there were ZERO Uber or Lyft drivers to take me to the airport, despite a tripling of the fare for surge pricing. Thanks California, only you could screw up an innovation as great as ridesharing apps, and deprive us all of it. How many drunk drivers have you returned to the roads, because you felt no one giving a ride could be anything other than a full time employee with benefits, the idea of a student or retiree who just wanted to make some extra cash while meeting people you said was either a myth or people being exploited. I so hate you politicians here.

      • Sensei

        I had a soft top Jeep with half doors and plastic side windows. I never locked the doors in 10 years of ownership.

        Fortunately, no issues, but I never drove it in any particularly terrible places.

        Also had was a 6 speed so it came from the factory with a millenial anti-theft device.

      • Zwak, All dressed up in his ridiculous seersucker suit

        It’s like having a kickstart only motorcycle.

    • Tundra

      To live better, fat adapt, skip a meal or three!

      This is the key.

      I was just chatting with my neighbor, who is extremely knowledgeable about health, etc. She talked her dad (type 2 diabetic) into a keto/fasting routine. He does frequent 48 hour fasts and always maintains a pretty narrow food window. Two years in he’s down 80+ pounds and the beetus is gone. No meds, no nothing.

      It works.

      • IRBE

        Keto/carno/fasting is a game changer…But I am reading and experiencing that over time (18+ months) that that routine may result in muscle loss and accompanying body fat gain. I noticed my muscles are less “inflated” but without strength loss, while I’m still same weight. I don’t know if it is due to lack of discipline or adaption and is probably both.

        It supports my BS theory that our bodies need some level of manageable “stress” to work toward optimum performance and capability. I call it Cross-stressing. (I just made that up…Copyright IRBE 2021. )

      • Tundra

        I cycle my low-carb. I find that if I’m really strict, I lose weight, get lean and end up weak as a kitten. For me, meat, fruits and roots works pretty well.

        I am only booze away from compliance!

        I’ll credit you for “Cross-stressing”. It’s perfect!

      • IRBE

        Modulating carbs is a strategy for weight maintenance. For me, I don’t notice performance issues with less carbs…maybe it is a matter of level of fat adaption. Who knows. I have no detected ketones from test strips anymore under the strictest carb intake.

        Speaking of stressor, I have been experimenting with sauna and cold to see if it helps with inflammation. No noticeable benefits so far…

        I think, the Cross-stress concept needs a lumber-jack song or something to give it some sizzle…

      • westernsloper

        I am no where near 18 months in but I find that so long as I exercise (pushups, pullups,etc) I don’t lose strength. I lose strength when I don’t do those things. I find I can lift heavier shit now than when I started.

  6. westernsloper

    I lit the grill, turned on this, and stacked some wood while I enjoyed some sun. Mother. Fuckers.

    (reposting cuz I don’t know what time it is)

    • MikeS

      I wonder if the Dem/Media love affair with the Kennedy clan will get him the attention this book deserves?

      Haha! I know…

      (reposting because I replied to your necro-post for some reason)

      • westernsloper

        I only listened to a few hours of the book and if half of what he is claiming is true there needs to be…….[REDACTED]

      • Tundra

        Well, something is not right with vaccines. There is no earthly reason that kids need 80-some vaccines today. Kids have a staggering number of chronic diseases, allergies and all kinds of other shit. Every fucking generation is more fragile than the previous one. Gee, I wonder if fucking with immune systems for the first few years of a person’s life might be a problem?

        The crank may actually be correct.

        And yes, it’s not just vaccines. It’s food, environment and all the rest. Our experts are killing us.

      • rhywun

        +1 peanut allergy which I never remember being a thing

      • MikeS

        Right? That alone should be getting as much research money (well, far more) than Covid. Where did this peanut allergy phenomenon come from?

      • Penguin

        When we were kids, our moms (mostly) would get us bags of salty peanuts. We ate them at a young age, and our immune system mostly got used to peanuts. Now they wait until the kid is 6 or 7, give them peanut butter, and their immune systems freak out.

        Not to worry, though, that kind of mom almost surely has an epi-pen waiting.

      • Fourscore

        If PB was an allergen the Fourscores would never have made puberty.

    • Jerms

      That book, Berensons Pandemia and the one Atlas wrote that Rywun linked the article to earlier were the top 3 best sellers on Amazon. I guess we like to read about how bad the government is fucking us.

    • Chafed

      I wouldn’t believe a word of what RFK, Jr. wrote without solid evidence to back it up. He’s been a crank for decades.

      • The Hyperbole

        But what if it reinforced your pre-existing beliefs?

      • westernsloper

        Ya, much better to listen to the bullshit the government/science/Fauci are spewing. You doubt that you are doubting science!

      • Chafed

        It’s not one or the other must be right. They can both be full of shit.

      • MikeS

        Like the people that listen to Fauci?

      • Chafed

        That’s different of course. ;l

      • westernsloper

        That was my thought too. In the short time I have listened to the book he is citing studies I have never heard of. I am sure it is all sourced so I have no reason to doubt it. The biggest threat to liberty so far in our lifetimes is this covid bullshit and I am happy to side with lefties if they are on the right side of that one.

      • Chafed

        Try reading some of his sources. He has a history of citing frauds (Andrew Wakefield for example) to support his claims. Even if I agreed with his conclusion, I would be very leery of relying on his “evidence” to support it.

      • DEG

        I watched his interview for the “Covid Revealed” series.

        He said a few things which surprised me in that I found myself agreeing with a Kennedy. He talked about how Covid had been used as an excuse to destroy the Constitution and our liberties. He quoted the part of Gen. John Stark’s “Live Free or Die” bit that no one quotes.

      • rhywun

        Good article.

        The view from 30,000 feet is not encouraging.

      • Chafed

        That’s a good article.

      • Sensei

        Thanks!

      • DEG

        That’s a good article.

      • Tundra

        Dang.

        Something terrible is rising around us, and we are only just waking up to it.

        Who’s “we”, motherfucker? Because the fine folk here have been sounding the alarm for more than a year.

      • MikeS

        Excellent article. Thanks, Zwak. I’m going to be sharing this.

      • juris imprudent

        Just saw the first Dr Oz for Senate ad and he was saying how badly the govt screwed up. I can’t imagine voting for him, but he’s not wrong.

    • rhywun

      Good lord. ?‍?

      I love the gent who combines his love of NBA, CNN, and Nation of Islam.

      • MikeS

        This guy is a smooth operator:

        Let me tell you my hobbies
        I like to play chess, and chat with ladies on the internet.

      • rhywun

        “Sign my guest book”

  7. DEG

    L-arginine is one of the branch-chained amino acids necessary for protein synthesis. L-arginine is also central to creating nitric oxide, a compound that relaxes your blood vessels for better blood flow and oxygen exchange. Despite these metabolic functions, there is little scientific evidence to support claims that supplementation can improve athletic performance.

    I’ve read you should use citrulline instead as the body will turn it into arginine and use the arginine.

    • Chafed

      I am very skeptical of most supplement claims. When there is a good study supporting a claim them I’m in. See creatine. Without that support, I view it as wishful thinking. Believe me I engage in that wishful thinking. It takes a little ddiscipline to realize I’m about to waste my money.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Speaking of nothing: there is no N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC) shortage evident despite rumors of ban (in SoCal, anyway).

      • Tundra

        Where do you order yours?

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Shelves of local Sprouts are replete.

      • Tundra

        Cool. They pulled in from Amazon.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Well, 2-3 weeks ago, FWIW.

      • westernsloper

        Does taking creatine supplement add anything more than just eating meat?

  8. Fourscore

    Today was snow clean up day, 2 hours behind the snow blower at the next to slowest speed. Snow wasn’t heavy but I don’t walk too fast. Got the job done. I had boots and insulated coveralls on, got a bit warm towards the end. Still, first time this year, I am ready. That’s my exercise for the day.

    Now I get the cup o’ joe as a caffeine reward.

    • Chafed

      ?

    • MikeS

      Snow warrior!!!

    • Tundra

      ^^Hero^^

  9. Tres Cool

    The Ben-GIRLS shit the bed, I’m half-drunk, Jugsy wont be home till Friday, and I work tonight.
    Time to find something to eat and get to bed.

    Obligatory.

    • Chafed

      The link proves you are drunk.

  10. Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

    I use a variety of supplements, nothing too crazy:

     • 30 minutes prior to workout, I have a cup of espresso, 2 to 3 grams of creatine, and around 10 grams of glucose (as dextrose).
     • During the workout, just water, unless I’m really crashing, and then I’ll have another 5 to 10 grams of glucose.
     • After the workout, 30 grams of protein (I use a blend I make myself), another 2 to 3 grams of creatine, 5 grams of L-glutamine (helps with DOMS, and it also helps my guts due to my IBS), and 1 gram of taurine, typically in 300 ml of 1% milk (sometimes I add a flavourant, usually chocolate or orange juice [the O.J. makes the drink taste like a Creamsicle™!]).

    Of all the above, the only one I can’t really attest to the usefulness of is the taurine. It’s more in the mix due to inertia than anything else.

  11. Tundra

    Chafed!

    Thanks for the research. I used to use a preworkout that contained all the shit, including beta-alanine, because I’m retarded. One day I looked at the mile-long ingredient list and threw it away. Today, I drink a cup of coffee and call it good. The guys at KetoGains recommend coffee, protein powder and MCT, so that would probably suffice as well.

    I think most of us are athletes that benefit very little from trying to game the system with food timing, pre-workout supplements and all the rest of the fuckery. My guess is that a simple program of diet and exercise, consistently applied, will work wonders for most people. (Remembering, of course, that you can’t outrun your fork.)

    GlibFit was a little off this week. I didn’t get my Friday lift in, but moved a bunch of furniture and boxes up and down stairs, so I guess that counts. We were really busy yesterday, so we had to settle for a shorter hike, closer to home. Only three miles, but the ascent was almost 800 feet, so a decent enough workout. I’ve got a better one planned for next weekend. I haven’t ventured up over 9K in a few weeks, but I’m planning to get a snow hike in one of these weekends.

    Have a great week, GlibFitters!

    • Chafed

      Hey Tundra. I strongly suspect you are right. All the supplements in the world won’t overcome missing workouts or a poor diet. Having said that, when the consistency is there, I really would like to maximize the effect if it’s possible.

      • Tundra

        Yeah I phrased that a little goofily. I take plenty of supplements, but I am pissing away money until the basics are handled. Creatine for a couch potato is stupid.

        Consistency is boring. That’s why so few people ever reach their goals. Rippetoe’s podcast this week dealt entirely with this phenomenon. When shit starts to get hard, people look for a way to make it easier instead of just powering through. I know I’ve been guilty of it – deloading, new program, etc. It’s a good discussion.

    • rhywun

      Shut down everything that impacts the people least susceptible to the plague. That will work this time.

    • Chafed

      That’s how you win hearts and minds.

      /eyes roll out of head

  12. Lackadaisical

    Does painting cabinets and building stuff count as glib fit?

    • whiz

      I’ll accept it if you accept my raking and bagging leaves 🙂 That’s all I did this week.

      • Chafed

        May GlibFit bless both of you.

    • Fourscore

      Depends on the color. Manly colors do the most, with camo being the most manly, lady colors (pink. mauve) are less taxing but can provide some night-early morning fitness challenges.

    • Gender Traitor

      Jorge Richter
      @JRichterR88
      Replying to
      @JackPosobiec
      Zapfenstreich ceremony for Merkel’s departure

      • Sean

        BUT THEY’RE NOT WEARING MASKS!!1!1!

      • rhywun

        Internetting is hard.

    • rhywun

      Not a good look at all.

      Because applying woke America sensibilities to some random picture from another country is perfectly rational. ?

      • Sean

        It doesn’t seem to jive with their covid doompanicporn.

    • IRBE

      The Axis’ have allied. No telling where the lines are anymore. Oh boy, it is going to be a rough ride.

    • rhywun

      *backs slowly away from the crazy person*

    • Spudalicious

      *low whistle*

  13. Sensei

    This just hit my email.

    Zoom-Bombing $85M Class Action Settlement

    I registered because of my Japanese classes. So I’m assuming they are sending notices to all registered users. I’m astounded because I was expecting it to be $1.99 coupon to Sizzler. Instead it appears to be $15 to $25 per person. Given the number of users of Zoom I don’t see how this comes in at $85m.

    When it comes to class actions I’m usually quite torn. In this case Zoom lied. OTH, usually a vast amount of settlements go to attorneys. So I’m happy to see Zoom punished. I’m not about to dissect the settlement, however. My bet is that it runs out of money. There is no way they are paying $15 per person to all impacted parties here.

    • rhywun

      When I get emails like that I just assume they’re spamming or phishing me.

  14. IRBE

    OT: My Samsung S5 will not be supported by my mobile carrier at new year. I have never used more than a fraction of my S5 capabilities in the 7+ years and am surprised at it’s functionality. I got the new phone G4+ yesterday and have been modeling with it (fake: texting, taking pictures and holding it like a tostada for speaker calls) while my family ridicules me. I am really dreading the switch from the old familiar. I’m not anti-tech nor tech-phobe ( hell, I have 4 Teams accounts–they all suck…Ha!). Is it just me that is Tech-conservative?

    • Mojeaux

      It’s not you. Nobody likes moving into a new device.

      • Sensei

        Having both an iPad and Android phone. It’s mostly painless on iOS, and sucks on Android even when going from Google device to another Google device.

      • IRBE

        if it was 1 device, I would probably be OK with it. But everything is a device of sorts: cars, TV, sprinklers, vibrator. All the shitty apps programs with constant changes in GUI that require 6 steps instead of 1 and calling it an improvement…I am looking at you MicroSoft. I am just really full up. :yells at moving cloud:

      • IRBE

        The other tech thing that is bothering me is my e-mail app is finishing my sentences for me. When it started doing that I was fuck that… and now I am just hitting the tab key. Everything I write is cliche’.

    • Spudalicious

      I just went from an i6s to a 13Pro. This phone is a touchy SOB. I trigger things I don’t want to all the time.

      • IRBE

        If I didn’t need it for work and Dual authentication BS, I would just opt out. Every functionality and bit of information I need is just a question to someone within ear shot to get the answer off their device..that cant be tiresome for them, can it. I think Jessie was ahead of his time by staying in place.

  15. Suthenboy

    Health supplements….does coffee count?

    *sets up coffee pot*

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Hepatically, one hears, potentially. No citation available.

    • Yusef the Unclean

      Coffee achievers FTW!

    • hayeksplosives

      There’s sting evidence that regular coffee drinking can hold Type II Diabetes at bay, and protects the pancreas in other ways too.

  16. Sean

    For my fellow low carbers:

    https://www.lettherebehempfoods.com/#products

    Tortilla chips. The macros are decent. The flavor is a bit bland/earthy. A good dip or salsa will fix that.

    Not recommended for keto induction.

  17. Q Continuum

    I asked this cute homeless girl if I could take her home with me. She started crying after I walked off with her cardboard box.

    • Q Continuum

      Husband says to wife, “Why don’t you tell me when you’re having an orgasm?” Wife replied, “I don’t like calling you at work.”

      • Q Continuum

        I gave my wife an orgasm. She got mad and spit it back in my face.

  18. The Hyperbole

    I westernsloper’ed a pizza dough and instead of making an Iowa shaped pizza I turned it into a calzone-ish thing, it wasn’t half-bad.

  19. Mojeaux

    I made toffee.

    What, too soon?

    • Animal

      It’s never too soon for toffee.

    • Yusef the Unclean

      I love Toffee, never too soon,

    • Ted S.

      I prefer tovfefe.

    • Suthenboy

      hmmmmm may I have a bit to melt in my coffee?
      No, no…a bigger piece…

      • Mojeaux

        Husband went and broke off a piece. It was a very large piece. He said, “What? It’s just the corner.”

      • Mojeaux

        Knew it before I clicked. ?

      • Shpip
      • Spudalicious

        “Husband went and broke off a piece.”

        Did he try the toffee too?

      • Mojeaux

        I love you, Spud. You never miss ’em.

      • Spudalicious

        😛

  20. hayeksplosives

    I’ve discovered a new restaurant in Pahrump. Pahrump is not the most sophisticated town, and many places allow smoking which pretty much kills the dining experience.

    BUT…we went to Pahrump Valley Winery today, and its accompanying restaurant “Symphony.” Excellent food selection: seafood, steak, pastas, salads, dessert. And of course, good wine. More expensive than most Local places, but it’s well worth it for a more sophisticated atmosphere.

    Only about 5 miles from home. Winning!

    I brought home bread pudding for dessert; just couldn’t manage it after the meal.

    • Chafed

      ?

    • Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

      “Exxxxxxxcellent, Smithers!”

      More seriously, some of the best eatin’ I’ve done in the Okanagan Valley of British Columbia (where most of the wineries are) has been in the wineries’ on-site restaurants.

      • Yusef the Unclean

        The Breweries up here do a lot of local cuisine, so the variety of food is as good as the beer selection, My nearest one is 3 miles down the street.
        /An unplowed,icy street

      • hayeksplosives

        The micro brew scene and the quirky “sample room” style eateries and food trucks have a symbiotic relationship in the Midwest. Sadly, many couldn’t survive Covid craziness but I would expect many of them to bounce back, and possibly even be the ones that drop the masks first.

      • Yusef the Unclean

        The breweries were some of the few eateries that survived up here, I’m glad I can cook.

      • hayeksplosives

        I do like some Washington State wines. I imagine they have some overlap with British Columbia ones.

        I like the independent restaurants in general. I’m not going to Applebee’s to celebrate my birthday.

      • Ted S.

        My local liquor store used to have a cheap Washington State Riesling that was quite good for the price point.

    • The Bearded Hobbit

      “I didn’t get a Pahrump out of that guy!”

      Serious drooling over their menu.

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        We might invade your locale this winter. Looking for a road trip. Perhaps meet up with you and, maybe, OBE on the way through.

      • hayeksplosives

        That could be a hoot! We could even splode some fireworks. 🙂

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        Pulsed power FTW!

      • l0b0t

        HOLY MACKEREL! That menu looks divine. Their ribeye steak is $37 for a 16oz.. Ribeye is $20 per pound at the grocer here; those prices look good from this locale. Also, the citizenry here is not trusted with fireworks; safe & sane products only (sparklers, party poppers, spark fountains, and wee carbon snakes) for this city. I miss freedom.

    • grrizzly

      The only restaurant in Pahrump I’ve ever been to is El Jefe. It was within a walking distance from our hotel after a long day spent in Death Valley. It wasn’t bad. I recall I liked their margaritas. It was in 2016.

  21. IRBE

    Car broken into son: Hey I got you a present from Oakland.

    What is it? Well, it is a test kit to determine if your drugs are laced with Fentanyl. It was in the bathroom at the restaurant.

    Checks out instructions for use…”Simple” 5 step process. Requires part of your drugs, results in 15 minutes. Recommends if fentanyl detected to have a plan and some Norcan!

    Neat..thinks about it and decides more broken in Oakland than cars!

    • hayeksplosives

      I had a job offer for San Leandro, CA. A quick look at a map showed how close San Leandro is to Oakland.

      I said no thanks.

      In other news, the Vegas Raiders just lost to the Team from Washington….

      • IRBE

        The least of San Leandro’s problems are its proximity to Oakland. You could have lived over the hill in Danville where the cost of housing makes San Diego seem cheap. There is good and bad everywhere…it just seems worse when good turns bad due to piss ant politicians.

        The Raiders are playing to form..much like the BenGals.

      • Spudalicious

        I spent the majority of my fire career in Alamo.

  22. The Bearded Hobbit

    Does anyone have a suggestion for an electric knife sharpener? I have this and whetstones but after about 20 minutes of working at it the only thing getting sharper is the pain in my shoulder.

    • Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

      I use one of these:

      Diamondhone Sharpener 115

      Available, as the URL suggests, at Costco (or at least it was a few years ago). They are fast, and accurate. However:

      I do not, and never will, use just the electric — final sharpening is always done by hand. I use a Japanese water stone (4000x) or a 1200x diamond stone with water as a lubricant for the final sharpening, and I have a diamond hone for the daily touch-ups. Such luminaries as Alton Brown claim that using a diamond hone for the daily will reduce your knife to a nub within mere moments (insert Brown’s trademark pearl-clutching here) — ignore the silly man; I’ve been using my 600x and 1200x hones for a quarter-century now, and my knives are pristine and maybe a millimetre shorter than they were back when I bought ’em. If I had children, I’d be passing ’em on to them, but as it is, I’ve got a niece who appreciates fine edgeware, so she’s first in the queue when I kick the proverbial bucket.

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        Thanks, BEAM. Does it work well on small blades like pocket knives?

      • Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

        Reasonably well, though the final few millimetres to the hilt can’t be accommodated (limitation of the design, no getting around it).

        For a pocket knife, I’d probably go with one of these:

        https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/sharpening/files-and-hones/66738-universal-sharpener?item=09A0332&utm_source=free_google_shopping&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=shopping_feed

        Yeah, Lee Valley’s in Canada, but I’m sure some Google-fu could find out where (probably in the U.S.) said sharpener came from. Look up Diamondhone, BTW: they have many sharpeners available, and there might be one that’s better for your needs.

      • Sensei

        I use this plus a mount in my vice.

        https://lansky.com/index.php/precision-sharpening-kits/

        The issue with any sharpener is duplicating the angle on the blade. If you are good by hand you just match the angle from the manufacturer. If you anything that has a fixed angle like the above you will have to grind a new angle and it will take quite a while. After that when you use the tool resharpening is quite quick. But first time can take 30 minutes.

      • Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

        Or, if you’re using the appropriate machine, one minute.

        I’m not kidding.

        Now, to do a truly consistent angle, that requires either superhuman abilities or a jig. If I wanted to go with (say) a 22.5° bevel (favoured by several chefs I’ve met through the years here in Edmonton) , I’d buy a jig. Lee Valley sells ’em in Canada, no idea where you’d get ’em elsewhere, but I’m sure they’re available somewhere.

        (BTW, I have a buddy in the DFW-area who oftentimes buys from Lee Valley, just ’cause he can find all the stuff he needs in one place; doesn’t mean you have to, of course, but if you’re really serious…)

      • Zwak, All dressed up in his ridiculous seersucker suit

        I don’t do kitchen knives, but with plane blades and chisels, the trick is to make a jig that will give you a consistent angle. A small block of wood clamped to it works wonders.

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        Thank you to all for your replies.

      • hayeksplosives

        Oops! I didn’t see this when I made my Lansky reference below.

        Helped me a bunch when I knew nothing about honing a knife.

    • EvilSheldon

      Powered knife sharpeners will invariably ruin your knife unless you really, really know what you’re doing.

      If you want a quick, foolproof, zero-skill-required method of sharpening a knife, get a Wicked Edge kit. I have the WE120 kit with a couple additional stones. It really does work as advertised.

      • Tundra

        Nice.

        I threw away an electric after I got these.

        I got the diamond and ceramic. I don’t know shit about knives compared with You People, but my knives are sharp.

      • hayeksplosives

        I like my Lansky knife sharpening kit. Has guide rods to keep a consistent angle, which you can choose.

        Really ridiculously sharp. About $45-50 on Amazon.

  23. hayeksplosives

    That Steelers/Ravens ending was an edge-of-your-seat event!

    Wow. Good stuff.

    • rhywun

      Yeah, that was fun after the Jets and Giants playing to expectations.

      • Ted S.

        The Minnesota Football Team losing to Washington was quite satisfying too.

      • Ted S.

        Er, they lost to Detoilet of course.

      • pistoffnick

        *runs out of room crying*

      • creech

        Detroit Lions.

  24. Trigger Hippie

    *burp*
    Day seven of at least twelve straight days of work. I won’t reach festus levels of being over-worked but I’ll give him a run for his money!

    Yo, festus! Do you climb a 32ft ladder to second coat a layer of trim paint covered soffit with no coworkers much less a homeowner/business owner within earshot? …

    Sorry. That came across as hostile. I apologize. I’m a little drunk, stoned, stressed out, bitter and cynical at the moment.

    I’m not trying to get into a pissing match with you. I’m (in my own weird way) identifying with ya. I see a lot of myself in both you and Bob. The major difference being that at least you two managed to find love, partake in the process of raising a family and found a sense of purpose at some point in your lives…I haven’t.

    I’m having a difficult time understanding why I exist….don’t overreact to that statement. I’m in no danger of hurting myself or anything. The holidays always make me a self-absorbed, narcissistic asshat.

    *Hits bowl, second burp*

    • Trigger Hippie

      *sigh*

      Note to self: Don’t attempt to connect with a Glib you enjoy the presence of by talking shit, then make emotional appeals for sympathy by highlighting your own hangups.

      Christ, I’m such a fucking douchebag….sorry, dude.

      • MikeS

        Nah, you’re not a douchebag. Don’t be so hard on yourself.

      • Tundra

        Agreed.

        And MikeS would know!

      • MikeS

        Thanks, Tundra.

        Hey…!

      • Ozymandias

        Hey – TH, you gonna make me beg for a date or what?
        Get my info from Mojo. (Plus, I’m out of herb. Help a brother out.)

        For my Glibfit, I have a 10:20 hockey game. Fuck. It’s with the “good” team, too. i.e. Young kids who skate *too* fucking hard.
        These games are usually lung-burners for me, so in the GlibFit sense, wonderful.
        In the “man in his 50s skating with 22 year olds” sense, not ideal. BUT, on the plus side…
        1 – Playing with better players is always better. Like anything else. They can shoot, pass, backcheck, and they know the game. That outweighs all of my whining – truth is, that’s exactly why I play “up”.
        2 – It does feel good when you manage to get one on those little shits.

        Just finished our Reply to the govt’s motion and Resp to our PI motion, man – my health is instantly better.. I’ll let co-counsel chop on it and goes hot on Tuesday. What a relief to have that (mostly) done. We had a little “power hiccup at the house today and I lost ~3-4 days of work on the document. I almost had a nervous breakdown for a minute… BUT – maybe the writers here may back me up or disagree – but it’s a LOT easier (like orders of magnitude) to re-create something than it was to first write it. I was able to produce pretty close (I think) to near same copy in 3-4 hours. I just banged it right out.
        2 more days to tighten and and rectify with Exhibit numbers and shit like that. If we lose, we go immediately to the 10th Circuit. I know I’m right on this one – hate to sound arrogant, but I know this legal issue (21 USC §360bbb-3, 10 USC §1107/1107a) as well as anyone on the planet right now. It is one of the largest “right-out-in-the-open” frauds as has ever been done. Just Amazing. All provable in matters of public record, too – right off the CDC and FDA websites. It’s just like anthrax again. Fuck, I feel like Fate is setting me up to get my Faith in Humanity shattered.

      • Tundra

        2 – It does feel good when you manage to get one on those little shits.

        My group back in MN had a 72 year old defenseman who regularly embarrassed the youngsters. Yes kids, you are faster and more skilled. But you haven’t logged the hours yet.

        I loved it when some hotshot would try a toe-drag on the old man. A quick poke check and the play was going the other way in a blink.

        Have fun tonight!

      • Ozymandias

        The good ones backcheck, most of the others don’t once you start going the other way.
        I punish them for the first 10 strides. Most won’t stay for the whole ride.
        That feels good a few times a game.

      • Tundra

        Yes.

        I always warn my goalie that he’s gonna get plenty of good looks, though!

        /hasn’t backchecked since the W admin

      • Trigger Hippie

        Will do, man. Maybe we can meet up before Christmas. Can’t promise you anything cuz I’m a neurotic mess but I’ll try to get it together for a day and venture out in public to say howdy and share a meal and some green.

    • Zwak, All dressed up in his ridiculous seersucker suit

      If nothing else, this is a good place to vent.

      Early in my logistics days, I had a co-worker who would pull 13 ten-hour days (the most big T would let you do straight) and after he got off their he would jump over to some restaurant and pull an AM shift (IHOP I think). Dude had a grip of kids from different women and was always chasing child support pay.

    • Fourscore

      The holidays used to be depressing for me, kids grown up and gone and all. Now I just try to ignore the calendar more than 10 days looking at the weather. We don’t do much for Christmas, gifts are unnecessary at this stage in life. If we want something or need something just get it. Kids/Grandkids like paper, they never complain.

      I have a lot of photos framed over the years. I’m going to tell my granddaughter that will be here for Xmas to just take those that she wants. It’s a different world now, being inundated with info constantly and the old pictures don’t seem to have much sentimental value. Life goes on.

      • Ted S.

        Yeah, I just buy my dad a box of wine for Christmas/birthday/Father’s Day because I know he’ll drink it.

        This Christmas I actually got him two magnums, which is equivalent to a 3-liter box.

        My nieces and nephew I try to get interested in classic film, with DVDs like Casablanca or Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

      • straffinrun

        Similar. The wife and I give each other presents that consist of things we were gonna buy anyways. “Oh, a new bike lock. Just what I always wanted. Do you like the feminine hygiene products I got you?”

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        We’ve just dropped the pretense.

        Wife: “You bought me a heart-shaped diamond ring for Christmas”

        Me: “Cool. You bought me a Remington 1100 12 gauge for Christmas”

        Addendum: She also bought me a 20 gauge autoloader for my birthday.

      • Suthenboy

        She is a keeper.

        Mine bought a SIG P938. I never go anywhere without it.

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        Love my P228.

      • Sean

        ^^ this is my jam, but I don’t carry it.

      • Mojeaux

        This year we are actually able to buy each other substantial presents. We haven’t bought each other anything more expensive than a Stephen King novel in 4 years.

      • Suthenboy

        A dude that sneaks in your house at night while everyone is asleep? You think cookies and milk is all he is after? Were you born last night?
        He will deliver a Pap smear while saying Ho!Ho!Ho!. Why do you think he is so jolly?

      • Sensei

        Welcome back.

        My wife and I do the same as well. We buy stuff for others in the family.

      • straffinrun

        Thx.

      • Trigger Hippie

        Sorry to hear about your mother, straff. My sincere condolences.

    • Yusef the Unclean

      Please Do Not climb a 32 footer solo, been there done that, looking back I’m glad to be alive. Don’t work yourself to death for nothing, I need you around this place, as I know we all do!
      Cheers TH!

  25. creech

    Any of you ever play golf at Pebble Beach? I understand the fee and cart are now over $600 per person. Is it worth the money (assuming you are paying to fly there, stay over, rent a car, etc. to boot)? I’ve played Merion and it was worth buying dinner for the golfer who treated me, but I don’t think I’d pay more than $200-300 for the privilege.

    • straffinrun

      Guess if you’ve got the coin to spare, why not? You’d probably being paying for the privilege of being able to say you played it.

      • Penguin

        You’d probably being paying for the privilege of being able to say you played it.

        This. Kind of like a huge tennis fan playing at Roland Garros or Wimbledon, or an East Coast movie lover seeing a show at Grauman’s Chinese.

    • IRBE

      I’ve played a couple times. To get the good tee times you have to be a guest of the hotel, which is not cheap either. It is a lovely and playable course. It is not too difficult if there is no wind, all greens are front to back and break to ocean. Carts have to stay on the path and the path is sometimes 50 yds from fairway…wrong side of fairway means a 200 yd walk…

      For my money, Spanish Bay is more picturesque and fun assuming the wind is not howling…then it is just a beautiful walk. Stay swinging!

  26. straffinrun

    Creatine. Kree-ah-teen or Kree-at-een? Heard both. Regardless, the loading phase alone put 5kgs on me and damn it worked well for strength building.

    • Tundra

      Cree-uh-tin.

      Good job, straff!

    • Chafed

      The first pronunciation, I think. Good job Straff.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Wish HM would drop in. Listening to SXM Radio Classics and there’s a number of pronunciations of common words that aren’t common now
      Pro-tea-ins
      Homo-cide

      There’s more but I’m blanking on them.

      • The Hyperbole

        I’ve noticed the Pro-tea-ans as well. Also The Falcon sounds like Fall-con.

  27. Chipping Pioneer

    All the NFL players with messages on the back of their helmets: I’m guessing that those messages are pte-approved by the league. I don’t imagine that any liberty-minded players would be allowed to put ‘TAXATION IS THEFT” back there.

    • Tundra

      Kirk Cousins sports “End Racism” on his. Instead, he ended the Viking’s season.

      • Penguin

        Tundra, you’re in CO now. You should no longer be sad by how the Vikes’ play. You should be sad about how the Broncos play.

      • hayeksplosives

        Oooooh! Burn!

      • Tundra

        Nah, he’s right. But I’m a Minnesodan forever, wherever the fuck I end up!

        My Wild are leading the division though!

      • Penguin

        Yeah, I know, it’s hard to give up those hometown allegiances. And certainly there’s something wrong if Minnesota doesn’t have a good hockey team.

        And Denver just went on an 85 yard drive. To bad they needed 90 or so.

      • Chipping Pioneer

        I would have taken the 3 at this point in the game with this score.

      • Penguin

        CP – Yeah, that one surprised me. I guess because they’d already done 2 4th down conversions on the drive, they thought they had the Chief’s number or something.

      • rhywun

        Why I am a Bills fan.

      • hayeksplosives

        I am a Bears fan by marriage, since 2007. Prior to that, as an Oklahoman, I cared only about Ok State Football and for NFL I cheered for the Redskins because that was my Dad & brothers team from when they lived in DC (I’m the youngest of us Army brats so I didn’t live there).

        I still have a happy when the Skins win, and I am ok with Vikes winning when the Bears are out of it (i.e., since 2007), just because I have Minnesota friends who like the Vikes. And Fran Tarkington is awesome.

        But I accepted the Bears upon marriage as my husband accepted Protestant Christianity ?

      • Zwak, All dressed up in his ridiculous seersucker suit

        Yeah, I hear the wild are doing great in California, too.

      • MikeS

        And if you don’t exercise your right of free speech and display one of the approved messages, you are part of The Problem™

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Allowing them to pick their own messages would be a disaster of epic proportions.

      • Chipping Pioneer

        MOMMA NEEDZ HOWSE

      • Chafed

        Lol

      • Fourscore

        “This helmet sucks”

      • Gustave Lytton

        “Future Brain Danage”

      • rhywun

        At least I haven’t seen any kneeling, unlike soccer in England – every player, every match.

        Do better, NFL.

      • Chafed

        Didn’t they change the coverage so we don’t see anything on the field until after the national anthem?

      • Ozymandias

        No state action on the Boss time and dime, shut up and play.
        I never understood why the NFL didn’t just draw that line. If someone in our office decided to start kneeling and doing stupid shit, it would and should be grounds for immediate termination. The players don’t have a “right to the microphone”, but it is entertainment. *Aside* – Maybe that’s why “sports and entertainment” folks are such insufferable twats in the first place. They seem to think we’re watching them for something other than the exact limited service they’re paid to perform. I’m specifically NOT interested in listening to Richard Sherman’s politics OR Tom Brady’s or Alec Baldwin’s or Taylor Swift’s. STFU and play football or act or sing, you fucking nitwits. Most of them couldn’t form a coherent thought on matters more complicated than lunch. Christ, the complete lack of awareness of their own inadequacies.

        And the NFL caters to it. How are their ratings doing? I’ve watched parts of 2 or 3 games all year. Fuck them. The only thing I *do* care about is the fact that the crowds put the lie to the scamdemic. Every weekend the proles are getting to see packed stadiums of people – on Saturday and Sunday – sitting right next to each other screaming spittle-flecked invective or cheering for their guys. Good. Tell me more about masks and the doom-death. I think Reality eventually wins this one. I fucking hope – because some of the Courts have mentioned related kinds of things in their decisions like, “you’ve been yelling ‘Emergency’ for 2 years… by definition, that’s not an emergency.”

      • rhywun

        And the NFL caters to it.

        Because race and terror thereof from all the power centers in the country.

        packed stadiums of people

        I am curious which stadiums have Clean-only rules. I know all of them around here do. Maybe not in flyover country? I honestly don’t know.

        Anyway, one of the points of banning the Unclean is to use that as some sort of “proof” when numbers go down. It doesn’t have to match actual statistics, either.

      • Zwak, All dressed up in his ridiculous seersucker suit

        Because, like the mask, it has nothing to do with what it purports to do. It is all about showing that they didn’t vote for Trump. This goes for the BS worldwide.

      • Suthenboy

        Or as my son says “I dont care about what they think. I just say ‘entertain me clown boy’ and watch the show. I ignore the rest.”

      • Suthenboy

        This shit makes me sick. We have seen all of this before. We know where this road goes. The problem is too many people are ignorant of it. Now it is not in a history book or documentary film, it is right in front of their nose and they cannot see it. I wonder how many people still believe it cannot happen here.

        My chosen message would be FUCK COMMUNISM or KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMIE. Do people still say that last one? It used to be fairly commonplace.

      • rhywun

        I might go with “IT’S A FREE COUNTRY” – another oldie but goodie.

      • Yusef the Unclean

        I Kill Commies, people trip out when I say it, then agree,

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        “Send a salami to your boy in the army”?

      • creech

        “Embrace Capitalism” or “Who is John Galt?” or “Read Hayek”

      • Yusef the Unclean

        “Fuck Off Slaver”

  28. commodious spittoon
  29. Shpip

    PANIC! at the dance club drama queen central.

    I wonder how this could happen, what with New York City’s “vaccine” passport?

    • Sensei

      At the moment one shot permits access. De Blasio is currently considering changing that to fully vaccinated and hasn’t ruled out boosters as well.

      Because – science!

      • rhywun

        I guess the Commandments are being rigorously followed in areas that attract a lot of attention like Midtown but I have seen zero evidence of it in my neighborhood. No lines outside restaurants with patrons dutifully showing their QR codes to bouncers around here.

        I think (?) I’m supposed to mask up at the grocery store again but aside from one hassle last week (which I think was an aberrance) nobody gives a shit around here.

        I will know when Deblasio’s stormtroopers have decided to pay attention to us again when I see a velvet rope outside the grocery store as happened once this summer and once the previous summer.

      • Sensei

        I’m more concerned with when (if) I return to the office what my employer is going to be forced to do.

      • rhywun

        I’ve pretty much resolved that I will never return to the office again. I guess I’m supposed to be there at least 3 days a week but nobody has said anything about the fact that I haven’t been there since May or June.

        My only regret is that my setup is there so I’m working on a laptop now (which I HATE) plus an extra monitor I bought recently.

      • Sean

        I upgraded to a 27″ monitor recently for work. Omg.

    • grrizzly

      That’s easy. NYC shouldn’t have dropped the mask mandate.

    • commodious spittoon

      I liked the book. I liked the idea of adapting that book. But a musical?

    • Yusef the Unclean

      Female Trump with better hair, or she’s commiting political suicide, worth a watch,

      • Yusef the Unclean

        Yeah, she’s presidential material, a swamp drainer,

      • Yusef the Unclean

        Kari Lake sounds like a Glib, I want to move to AZ just to vote for her,

      • hayeksplosives

        Well, I was referring more to the pose plus the figure, but I reckon the Sumerian goddess had real ones too.

    • MikeS

      The humorlessness of the left is truly astounding. I thought righties were supposed to be the prudes?

      • Suthenboy

        They are forever frustrated and angry that we aren’t all pawns in their schemes to rule the world. They arent very smart. There is never going to be the ‘new soviet man’.
        If you had to live your whole life in a chastity belt, forever frustrated, you wouldn’t be very humorous either.

    • commodious spittoon

      Covid going away does not benefit Democrats, and its continuing influence on politics is on net politically neutral for Republicans… where’d this myth get started? Dems benefit from escalating the threat, that’s why it’s been boosted stratospherically over the past two years. They’ve always benefited from a top-down intensive political quandary. They won a presidency on that basis. The worst thing in the world for Dems is if Covid simply disappeared, and they had to answer for all the other political wildfires that’ve been raging out of control on their watch. Covid is the last bastion of marginally positive polling for them to hide behind, and even that has gone underwater for them.

      • Q Continuum

        As if elections matter.

        Do you even fortify bro?

      • Yusef the Unclean

        Guns matter…..

      • Suthenboy

        You’re damned right they do. A lot. That is why they are so desperate to confiscate them.

      • Yusef the Unclean

        Like you, we have true swamps and Bayous in these parts, If you know what I mean,
        /clinks Coffee cups

  30. straffinrun

    Climate Change Freakout Coworker tells me today she is organizing a rally against Vaccine Passports. I really enjoy people having at least a few narratives that go against the narrative. It’s odd, however, given the reason she is against the Vaxports: infringement of individual rights. She seems to have no problem with that in terms of proposed climate change measures.

    • whiz

      She must think climate change is going to hurt everyone (but women and children the worst, of course) and hence is infringing on her rights.

      • limey

        The climate has no right to change!

    • Chafed

      Just take the win and celebrate.

  31. PieInTheSky

    Late as usual to night threads but:

    Most pre-workouts are bullshit. Caffeine and under-dose the rest. Even among the good ones I would not buy them.

    Creatine is good, if you work out or not. 4-6 grams a day. I see no point in having it in pre-workouts, as to take it daily you need to have separate creatine anyway for days you don’t take pre-workout. Creatine is not a pre-workout ingredient, like caffeine, because you need to get it daily in your system and it does not matter when, does no have any benefit pre-workout compared to post workout. The latest science even indicates that it may be less efficient to combine it with the caffeine. In creatine nothing fancy is needed. that is the point of the supplement. Cheap and effective. Basic creatine monohidrate 4-6 grams a day. Do not be fooled by expensive creatines. They give no additional benefit.

    L-arginine does not absorb well in pre-workout form. This is why most use l-citruline or citruline malate. This is better absorbed by the body, who then converts it to arginine. you need some extra time for the conversion, so 5-6 grams of citrulline 45 minutes before workout, or equivalent from malate depending on the formulation (2-1 is better than 1-1). Some claim added benefits from the malic acid, but this is dubious.

    beta-alanine does not work for everyone and the tingling sensations can be very unpleasant itching for some. For non professionals I would not bother with it.

    Mostly I do not bother with pre workout as I like coffee and rather get my caffeine from that, which I believe healtier anyway, and I but my creatine and citrulline separately and dose as needed. For me as a casual workout guy, I see no need for the maybe minor benefit of other ingredients put in pre-workouts.

    Morning glibbies.

    • Yusef the Unclean

      Workout?
      /Tall Cans!

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Buna ziua, Pie! (Please add diacriticals.)

  32. Gustave Lytton

    Decentralized energy production is modern day 土法炼钢.

    • TARDis

      Insanity level 11. There has got to be video or documents or emails from Insanity Planning coming up with this crazy shit just to see what they can make the sheeple do.

      From another story on that site.

      Obviously this is absolutely real. Of course, inbred white supremacists would show up in rental trucks like moronic cattle. Classy people like anti-fa would have arrived in anti-American funded luxury buses.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        What a bizarre story.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      What lab did they grow that dude in?

    • limey

      No. Being powerful used to be an extension of being British, though. Perhaps.

      #smashcolonialism

      I noticed today or yesterday there was another front page teaser of a guest editorial by an “academic” or an “author” about how “colonialism cannot be defended”. I wonder what he means by “colonialism”.

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, U, TO’G, Stinky, TARDy, Sean, and I think I saw l0bot up there somewhere. How is everyone this fine Monday morning? (And good afternoon to Pie, if you’re still around.)

      • limey

        I just slipped in too late for the GT ‘mornin’! roundup.

        Morning all!

      • Gender Traitor

        Good LATE morning to you, limey!

      • limey

        And now a good afternoon to boot.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        How does one say “ey oop” in East Anglian?

        Maybe I should wander off and accomplish something small…

      • limey

        I don’t think there’s a direct equivalent. It’s a different culture in these parts.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Normal for Norfolk?

        (IDK, you said you were north of The Wash)

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        er, south of

  33. Toxteth O'Grady

    Bonjour, GT!

    Got nothing original to say, like Garth Algar. ‘Cept that I hope TH is OK.

    • Trigger Hippie

      I’m fine, my dear. I just get a little loaded and rant on occasion. Think nothing of it…thank you for your concern.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Carry on, then.

  34. Gender Traitor

    In news of interest to no one but me, at work we may have sorted out the problem our payroll processor was having in getting our 401(k) contributions sent to Voya…but now we may have to figure out how late several late submissions were AND somehow suss out the financial implications thereof. It sounds like a spreadsheet nightmare to me, and I LIKE playing with spreadsheets. ?

    Rules for retirement plans are way too damn complicated.

    • TARDis

      Rules for retirement plans every dang thing the government touches are way too damn complicated.

      FTFY

    • Tulip

      Oof, I don’t envy you. As an employee, I would be really angry about this. I would see a late submission as paying me late, plus fund prices could have changed and I may have lost out on gains. Just submitting would not be enough.

    • R C Dean

      How does a solar powered rover on the dark side of the moon work, anyway?

      • UnCivilServant

        Whenever the moon is out of phase with the earth, it can charge through the aether.

  35. Trigger Hippie

    I can’t exactly remember who first recommended The Goes Wrong Show( I think it was commodious spittoon) but holy shit, it’s excellent. Great find.