Polls vs. Odds: Part III

by | Jan 28, 2020 | Executive Branch, Politics, Sports | 357 comments

In two previous articles (here and here) I looked at how the polls for the Democratic nominee for President compared to the bookmakers’ odds. This is an update to see how things have changed in the last two months as we approach the Iowa caucuses (February 3).

A snapshot taken of the polls and odds on four dates presents a good summary of what has happened: (i) August 15, when Elizabeth Warren’s odds first passed Joe Biden’s, (ii) October 13, when Warren’s odds peaked, (iii) November 20, around my last report, and (iv) January 24, the most recent data when this article was written. All data are taken from averages compiled by RealClearPolitics.com.

First, the poll numbers, in %:

Aug. 15 Oct. 13 Nov. 20 Jan. 24
Biden 30.5 29.4 30.7 28.9
Warren 17.3 23.2 18.0 14.6
Sanders 16.0 16.6 16.7 22.7
Harris 8.0 5.0 4.3
Buttigieg 5.2 4.4 8.0 7.4
Booker 2.0 1.6 1.3
Yang 1.5 2.6 2.3 4.0
Bloomberg 3.0 7.6
Gabbard 1.0 1.3 2.0 1.4
Klobuchar 1.4 1.5 1.7 3.6
Steyer 1.4 1.0 2.1

 

Next, the odds, in % (anyone who has never been above about 5% not shown):

 

Aug. 15 Oct. 13 Nov. 20 Jan. 24
Warren 29.6 53.4 26.8 11.3
Biden 27.9 19.9 25.5 35.6
Harris 16.6 4.5 2.2
Sanders 14.1 6.3 15.7 33.6
Buttigieg 8.6 7.7 20.5 7.2
Yang 5.0 5.9 5.6 4.5
Clinton 2.5 8.7 7.0 4.5
Bloomberg 4.9 12.5

(Note: the odds add up to more than 100% since these are inferred from betting odds, which have a vig for the bookies cooked in.)

We see that the poll numbers are much more stable, especially for Biden. Warren had a small rise, mostly at the expense of Harris, only to give it all back (and then some) as Buttigieg gained ground and Bloomberg entered the race. Sanders has gained some ground recently.

The odds are much more volatile: Warren had a huge surge, taking favor from the next four contenders. Clinton (Hillary, that is) and Yang were the only others to gain traction in October. (Of course, as I mentioned in the last article, Clinton is not in the polls data since she has not declared.) Since her peak, Warren gave it all back by November as Biden and Sanders recovered and Buttigieg surged into third place. Since then, Warren’s support has continued to erode and Buttigieg gave back all his gains, with Biden, Sanders, and Bloomberg being the beneficiaries. Bloomberg has actually surpassed Warren in the odds; he had reached 8.9% in the polls right after declaring, but dropped back and is just now getting back to that level.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the Iowa caucuses. According to RealClearPolitics.com, the polls for Iowa now have (and have for several months) basically a four-horse race: Biden (20.0%), Sanders (19.3%), Buttigieg (16.8%), and Warren (16.3%). Just to show how tight and ever-changing these are, in November we had the same top four with about the same spread from first to fourth, but Buttigieg was on top and Biden in fourth. Of course, they are all more or less within the margin of error, so that is not surprising. Klobuchar (8.3%) is in fifth, with Yang (3.5%) and Steyer (3.3%) constituting a third tier.

I live in Iowa, and my unscientific impression from seeing yard signs is that Warren and Buttigieg are much stronger than Biden and Sanders, and Yang is a good bet as a dark horse. But maybe they just have better teams on the ground in my area. (There are three Warren signs within sight of our house, which is rather depressing.) As I mentioned last time, Steyer is blanketing us with ads, but doesn’t seem to be getting much traction.

There is much more detail at RealClearPolitics.com, if you want the complete picture — they have really nice graphs over time, and give poll results for Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, in addition to the national numbers.

 

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357 Comments

  1. Spudalicious

    I’m not surprised the odds are still volatile, there’s still too many candidates and tom many variables.

    • Spudalicious

      *too

  2. Yusef drives a Kia

    And then it becomes a Brokered Convention……

    • The Last American Hero

      Bullshit. Bernie’s a cuck, and he got cucked by HRC last time around, only to have HRC and Lizzie each stick a knife in his back this last week. He’ll be stumpin for Biden like a good little boy come October, and he said as much in the last debate.

  3. IntraveneousWoodChipper

    Utterly outrageous that the most powerful country in the world will have either Trump or the luckiest of a bunch of geriatric communists as chief executive in 2020.

    God help us.

    • IntraveneousWoodChipper

      Also, thanks for the write up and update. Hard to keep up with all the polling lately!

    • Sean

      *spoiler alert*

      It’s gonna be Trump.

      • Chipwooder

        I suspect it will be, but on the other hand his margin of victory was so narrow in several states that I can’t say I think he’s a lock or anything.

      • Sean

        That stadium in NJ (spits on ground) was packed. In NJ! With people in the parking lot that couldn’t make it inside watching on the jumbotrons. The Dems are fucked. They have nothing but cheating left.

      • Florida Man

        They have nothing but cheating left.-

        That’s been pretty effective in south Florida.

      • gbob

        Yeah. I made a nice chunk of change betting on Trump early on. After he slagged Mccain for being a POW, my first thought was that it was over for him. Then, at a party, I overheard two blue collar union types talking about how much they loved him. After that, he had his first rally and it was clear to me that something was going on.

        Getting the same sense here. I really think he flips at least three more states.

      • KSuellington

        Trump has made me some money and I will be collecting on a couple large bets as soon as he makes it to November. I’m about to start goading a couple of my Trump hating buddies into the next round of bets.

      • Pope Jimbo

        The moment I started thinking Trump might have a chance was my first trip hunting to NoDak. Usually the trip would have been past a lot of Dem candidate signs. But that year, we saw no signs (NONE) for Hillary. And we saw two Trump signs.

        I wonder if Hillary is honest enough with herself to admit that she got two people that would never have been elected otherwise into the White House. That both of them won because gobs of people turned out to vote against her.

      • The Last American Hero

        That means 60% of all Nodak voters had Trump signs in their yard. Impressive.

      • straffinrun

        My thoughts, too. It’s weird, but Trump needs to have really high disapproval numbers to win. The more people that are pissed off at him, the more his supporters dig in. He’s Chinese finger cuffs.

      • Rebel Scum

        The more the CORRECT people (i.e. Don Lemon and pals) are pissed at him. . .

      • KSuellington

        I see that becoming part of a campaign video. You couldn’t make a better caricature of smug leftist news types.

      • straffinrun

        Those guys and the twerps in the Veritas videos. The latest one is a riot. These kids are weak AF in a world that is pretty easy to navigate (at least compared to the world of violent class warfare) and yet they think they will suddenly find their inner badass when the revolution comes.

      • Rebel Scum

        a campaign video

        Run it unedited, ending with ‘Trump 2020’.

      • Festus

        I learned my bonafides actually fighting bullies that were bigger and stronger than I was. That was until I grew bigger and stronger. Craftier, too. I’ll never forget the look on my Dad’s face when I finally beat the shit out of my brother.

      • The Last American Hero

        He was probably wondering why you got so mad over your brother taping over Golden Girls reruns.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Your wish has been granted

        I’m sure the correct people will be along soon to tell us why campaigning like this is so wrong.

      • Possibly Sir Digby

        I think we’re gonna have to start referring to Festus as “Papa Hemingway”.

        Between the fightin’, the fuckin’, and the chemicals, he has probably written the Great Canadian Novel.

      • Festus

        Some Phillipina long-term health care aide will be sure to transcribe my memoir. I’ll call it “Some Remembrances of a Boring Man In a Nondescript Town”. The third edition will catch fire.

      • Possibly Sir Digby

        The third edition will catch fire.

        Oh, so…Kindle, then?

        Planned obsolescence?

      • Festus

        It’ll be cited ironically and I’m fine with that.

      • Festus

        So long as the proceeds go to certain cat charities and my descendants get nothing.

      • Spudalicious

        That would be awesome.

      • Spudalicious

        That would be in reply to you commercial comment.

      • KSuellington

        Somebody needs to get the Trump campaign to source Glibs for ad ideas. I’m sure we could come up with some serious winners.

      • Mojeaux

        That ad makes me mad.

      • Urthona

        eh. hillary clinton just sucked. he could easily be beaten.

      • straffinrun

        I believe that’s what Chipwooder and I were saying.

      • Urthona

        i probably replied to the wrong thingie there.

      • Chafed

        I think you are right Rhy. I also imagine rather than accepting the results, the hard core left will claim collusion, etc.

      • KSuellington

        He could be beaten, for sure. But the Dems aren’t exactly putting forth anyone that could do so easily. Plus he is now no longer an unknown entity, he is running on a record.

      • Urthona

        i know.

        and this amuses me.

      • Rhywun

        I think the current crop are worse than Clinton. All the top contenders have enthusiastically supported far-left policies that even Hillary wouldn’t touch. The only “moderate” among them – Biden – is a few crayons short of a box.

        Trump will win – not bigly, but probably with a slightly bigger margin & with the so-called “popular vote”.

  4. Fourscore

    It appears the conventional is already broken. Polls daily are swapping positions, pundits giving us lots of reasons why this or that candidate is viable/non-viable. In truth Biden/Sanders/Warren by age alone are nearly non-viable in the strictest sense of the word. The election is Trump’s to lose, judging from the crowds he brings out.

    • Florida Man

      I think the unhinged response to Trump has given him an almost martyr like status. I think he will win big because of how deranged the left has shown themselves. In 2016 you couldn’t have paid me to vote Trump. 2020 if I vote, I’ll vote for him.

      • Spudalicious

        I didn’t vote for Trump and though he would govern as a NY liberal. I’ve been pleasantly pleased and the TDS has driven me right into his corner.

      • We're not saying BEAM's an alien, but . . .

        I’d vote for Trump, and I’m a freakin’ Canadian.

      • Fourscore

        Come on down.

      • Festus

        #metoo

      • Chipping Pioneer

        You’re probably already registered in Chicago.

      • CPRM

        In my small town in central Wisconsin; where everybody is supposed to know everybody; today when I got my elderly aunt’s mail there was an absentee ballot for her husband (who died in November) to vote in the spring elections. I, being an upstanding citizen took the time to walk across the street to the town office to return it and inform them he was deceased. I suspect that isn’t the case in many places when these errors happen.

  5. CPRM

    Buttigieg was on top

    Are you saying he’s a bottom now?

    • Florida Man

      I understand that is where the real power is.

      • Possibly Sir Digby

        Everyone otter know that.

  6. Rebel Scum

    There’s a Situation. Orange Man just killed it in NJ. So, I suppose it’s t-shirt time.

    • Florida Man

      I would prefer it said progressives cry, but pretty good anyways.

      • Rebel Scum

        Well, yeah. The trouble with self-described liberals is that they are not.

    • CPRM

      I watch so many of those damn rallies slogging for audio. I will admit, there are times when he is very entertaining.

      • Rebel Scum

        I caught the last 5-10 minutes of the speech. He seemed to hit all the right notes to garner a broad range of support.

  7. Ted S.

    Boy was Halep impressive today.

    • Rhywun

      Yep. She’s back.

      I like the ladies’ side because there’s like a dozen of them than can plausibly win a slam during the year.

    • Raven Nation

      I know it’s unlikely, but I’m holding out hope for Barty to deliver the first home champion in 40+ years.

      • Rhywun

        From what I’ve seen I think Barty has a great chance. I mean, she is the current #1. And she’s playing great right now.

  8. Rebel Scum

    Warren had a huge surge, taking favor from the next four contenders.

    Then she fell out of favor with Grandmother Willow.

    • Rebel Scum

      I get half a dozen emails from them a day*. I need more disposable income.

      *Not that I ever purchased any particular items from them such as a nondescript rifle, components or accessories. I didn’t even order this. So idk why/how they have my email address.

      • Sean

        They’ve gotten me multiple times. Usually those emails get immediately deleted. Usually. ?

    • Possibly Sir Digby

      Put me down as curious. At $300 new, I could see one following me home.

      Whoa! Damn right it can follow me home…

  9. The Bearded Hobbit

    I used to be of the opinion that if you don’t vote then you can’t bitch.

    I have been reformed of that opinion.

    In fact, I now look at the reference in the Declaration of Independence that government is at the consent of the governed.

    I do not consent to this government.

    Therefore I withdraw my consent by way of failing to vote in the Federal election.

    • Sean

      ??????

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        Yeah, I figured that.

    • straffinrun

      If you wish to withdraw your consent, fill out these dozen documents in triplicate and pay the $5000 fee.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        or just don’t vote, my option, though AZ may have someone worth voting for….

      • straffinrun

        I wish not voting would be enough to renounce citizenship. It isn’t, though.

      • Pope Jimbo

        I think you cast a ballot. Just leave races blank.

        My dream of dreams is to watch the MSM try to explain why 50+% of the ballots cast didn’t choose either candidate for president. Who am I kidding? Lawers from the hanging chad brigade would have a field day “determining” who you meant to vote for.

    • Spudalicious

      I heard tonight that the Coronavirus has killed more people in a month than SARS killed in three. And the fact you’re contagious during the two week incubation period, this is only going to get worse. Thank you, yet again China, for releasing a plague on the world.

      /forgetting about what we did with anthrax

      • Urthona

        meh. it’ll be fine.

      • Spudalicious

        Well, Idaho is pretty lily white, so I’m thinking we’re low risk. Not many people coming back from Wuhan.

      • Urthona

        also it’s not part of a communist shithole

      • commodious spittoon

        Look at this wide-eyed optimist.

      • Spudalicious

        And I think the US will handle it better than any country in the world. My concern is that this came out of a bio weapons facility and China is surrounded by countries that wouldn’t be able to handle a serious outbreak.

      • Mojeaux

        The herd needs culling.

        In case anyone thinks that’s harsh, I won’t be sad if I’m culled.

      • Urthona

        WTF?!?

      • Mojeaux

        One of the greatest leaps forward Europe took, politically, culturally, financially, health and nutrition, crops, etc etc etc, basically all the ways mankind moves forward, was after the plague had wiped a good portion of the people of Europe off the planet.

        The scarcity of labor shifted the political system from totally feudal and moved it toward increased freedom for the poor serfs (not much, but enough to shift the economy significantly). The renaissance followed not long thereafter.

        A tree needs to be pruned. Herds need to be culled.

        The problem is that people are living a lot longer by artificial means. Quadruple bypasses for 90-year-olds, really? I am genuinely happy that somebody gets to keep their loved one a little longer, but like it or not, it’s artificial. And what of those who can’t make decisions for themselves who are on vents whose loved ones won’t let them go?

        If I believe that the Earth and Mother Nature can heal themselves from all the stuff we throw at it and it churns up itself, then I must believe that Earth and Mother Nature will also find a way to control the population itself.

        Maybe this was thunk up in a biochemical warfare lab. I guess China just won the Darwin award and Mother Nature’s all, “Welp. Time to go clean up the mess.”

      • Chipping Pioneer

        A great leap forward, you say?

      • Mojeaux

        Oh, hey now. I’m not talking about deliberately starving a bunch of people.

      • Chafed

        ST:TOS dealt with this. I don’t want to spoil anything but Dr. McCoy says you are wrong Mo.

      • Mojeaux

        I thought the only thing Dr. McCoy said was, “He’s dead, Jim.”

      • Gender Traitor

        That and “I’m a doctor, not a [fill in the blank.]”

      • Spudalicious

        Now that is some dark Glibbing.

      • Festus

        The best! You’ll be amazed!

      • Florida Man

        Why does the herd need culling? Living standards are rising around the world. In a way, we already have post scarcity technology, if you define need by clean water, food and housing.

      • Spudalicious

        AOC.

      • straffinrun

        Things are getting better and yet the rumblings of a need for “Muh Revolution!” are growing in mainstream politics and universities. It’s almost like people only define well being by comparing their lot to others. Almost.

      • Mojeaux

        Huh.

        You just made me realize that socialism is what’s going to cull us. Socialism kills.

      • Chipping Pioneer

        AOC is proof that natural selection is no longer in play.

      • straffinrun

        That’s the attitude I have. I think the biggest danger the US is facing is growing population of people that are absolutely terrified of death.

      • Mojeaux

        growing population of people that are absolutely terrified of death.

        You’re my people, straff.

      • Florida Man

        Huh? Because people don’t want to die, we should kill them?

      • mikey

        Eloi

      • straffinrun

        No. The culling is coming whether it be through disease, war or even old age. Things like climate change fear mongering feed off of people’s irrational fear of what is inevitable; death. Used to be, you would welcome Valhalla because you had offspring to carry on your legacy. No people are looking to the state to postpone the inevitable at any cost. Not good.

      • straffinrun

        *Now people are…

      • Rhywun

        I’m probably an outlier because I don’t give a shit about “legacy”. I’m not afraid of dying but I do rather enjoy being alive so I can pursue personal & intellectual interests etc. ?‍♂️

      • straffinrun

        Douglas Murray gives a good answer to the “legacy” question from a gay man’s point of view. Don’t have the book with me now and I don’t want to butcher his idea.

      • Mojeaux

        I in no way said to kill them. Not AT ALL. I don’t WANT people to die who don’t want to die.

        In extreme cases, we have Terry Schiavo. In non-extreme cases, we have a 90-year-old going in for a quadruple bypass he’s been told will likely kill him on the table.

        Mother Nature/Earth will have its way.

        I will admit that because of my solid faith in how awesome the afterlife is, my view sounds cold and horrid. However, it’s because of my solid faith in how awesome the afterlife is that I also won’t mind being one of those culled.

        And if it’s any of my family members, I will sob. But I will also know that they’ll be warm and happy and with loved ones who went before.

        I’m not being morbid. I’m looking at death as a horizon to something better, and I’m pretty sure the afterlife is going to be a helluva lot better than how most Chinese are living now.

      • Spudalicious

        It’s not the death part, it’s the dying part.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Terrified of death, and also of struggling. So now we have helicopter parents raising kids to be children.

      • Mojeaux

        it’s the dying part

        I understand. I even agree. I don’t want it to hurt. I don’t want it to hurt for anybody.

        Except pedophiles and rapists and serial killers. Then it needs to hurt.

      • Mojeaux

        But Mother Nature is also an amoral bitch. She’s not cruel–she just needs to get about her business.

        The wasting diseases are the tragedies, Alzheimer’s, dementia, stuff like that. People whose minds are sharp and their bodies relatively healthy, but also live in excruciating pain or profound debility.

        Those–those are the people for whom I hurt.

      • Festus

        I don’t fear it. I would prefer it not be long, drawn out and/or painful but it’s there and its not going away so best to regard it philosophically. I don’t welcome my demise but who the hell ever wanted the most perfect day of their life to have a sunset?

      • Mojeaux

        Another thing about how I view this is that I grew up in a family where the men all die young and suddenly from a heart attack. I was 20 before I found out hearts attacks aren’t always fatal.

        I’d been to more funerals by the time I was 10 than I’ve ever been to weddings.

        So in my life, death is always on the table or at least just around the corner.

      • Sean

        Unless you’re old or in China. Or both.

        I’m still not worried.*

        *in the event of an apocalypse, I’m still forming a Glib army. Bring bacon & bourbon. Firearms & ammo will be provided.

      • Spudalicious

        Bullshit. I’m going to fall back to the cabin and blow the bridge.

      • Sean

        You’re kinda shitting up my advertising. You are on the wrong side of the country. Just sayin.

        Peace out if you make it this far.

      • Rhywun

        You’re in PA, right? That’s convenient 🙂

      • Sean

        Yup. And I think I’ve already guaranteed a high starting rank for ya.

      • Rhywun

        Fuckin’ sweet.

      • Florida Man

        You aren’t supposed to quarantine us! We’re white!

    • Chafed

      It’s about time Chicago brought something dangerous to Indiana.

  10. Pi Guy

    Posted without comment from TOS this morning:

    sarcasmic
    January.28.2020 at 10:58 am
    I actually believed that shit for a while. I was fucking Tony for fuck’s sake. Glad I learned to think instead of feel. I give a lot of credit to the cool kids who left in the Glibertarian Exodus.

    • Pi Guy

      Ok, one comment: sarcasmic was Tony?

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        I miss sacrcasmic and wish he would move over here.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Me too.

      • Ozymandias

        Or he was fucking him. Depends on what… fucking means?

        /Bill Clinton gives a thumbs up

      • Rebel Scum

        Opposites attract?

      • Chafed

        That’s what I thought.

      • dontreadonme

        SRSLY?!

      • Florida Man

        He is saying he used to think like Tony, but not anymore. On second thought, it’s probably something gay. NTTATWWT

      • Rebel Scum

        Glad I learned to think instead of feel.

        This says what he means, I believe. Tony* emotes.

        *I have met someone in the wild who immediately made me think of Tony in the way he talked/reasoned. Those people are out there.

      • RAHeinlein

        No way Sarcasmic was Tony. I miss Sarcasmic, he was a fave on TOS.

      • Fatty Bolger

        Who wasn’t Tony on occasion? Kinda sucked when they started requiring logins.

    • The Other Kevin

      We’re all Tulpa, which means sarcasmic and Tony were both Tupla, so yes.

  11. Mojeaux

    Speaking of good odds… One week from today will be the Kansas City Superbowl parade.

    • Spudalicious

      Ahem, the ‘niners would like to have a word. Kansas is leaving the greatest letdown to the very end.

      • Mojeaux

        KANSAS?!?!?!?

      • Rhywun

        Uh oh.

      • Spudalicious

        You’ve been bitching about Kansas letting you down all season. They’re just saving the best for last.

      • Jarflax

        It’s all the same from the Mississippi to the mountains, what are you all complaining about? For God’s sake y’all live in a State of Misery.

      • Mojeaux

        I have no clever riposte for that.

      • Jarflax

        Oh come on! I live in OHIO for God’s sake. Florida North, It was MY city zoo that killed Harambe. Our Airport is in Kentucky! I’m a lawyer. Pick any of these and go with it! 😛

      • Pope Jimbo

        Pick any of these and go with it!

        Do you have a funny looking nose? Maybe I could pick that for starters?

      • Mojeaux

        Did you forget I like lawyers?

        Ohio’s just kind of … there, innit? Nothing to insult.

        Harambe was tragic, that’s true, but I bet it was the insurance company that told them to put the boy down.

        Kentucky is pretty. I have no issues with Kentucky, either.

        Lastly, “state of Misery”, like all 8th-grade-boy jokes, is funny if you haven’t heard it 235,007 times.

      • Possibly Sir Digby

        Harambe was tragic, that’s true

        Hey; Harambe got the dicks out. So, there’s that (for those so inclined).

      • LJW

        Not sure why that copied the phone number but I guess just in case you need that too.

    • Raven Nation

      The Chiefs probably don’t want to go behind like they did with the Texans or the Titans. That niners running game will just chew up the clock.

      • Mojeaux

        Fact.

      • Spudalicious

        The niners running game will chew up the Chiefs.

        FIFY

    • Pope Jimbo

      Except the world coronavirus plague will force them to cancel the SB.

      And during the off season Mahomes comes down with the virus and dies and the Chiefs spend another 50 years in the wilderness

      • straffinrun

        We should hold a year of silence for Kobe.

      • Mojeaux

        None of that would actually surprise me one bit.

      • Chafed

        You are morose tonight.

      • Mojeaux

        Actually, not as much as usual. It’s been a relatively good day. I’m just not keeping my thoughts to myself as much tonight for some reason.

    • KSuellington

      Heh, heh. Mahomes is gonna get controlled. Get ready for salty bbq tears.

      • Pope Jimbo

        bbq tears

        I guess that makes sense since KC loves to drown their “bbq” in sauce instead of using a dry rub like a civilized place.

    • Chipping Pioneer

      GO WHOMEVER IS PLAYING THE CHIEFS!

      /Broncos fan ?

      • Mojeaux

        A GlibHouse divided…

    • The Bearded Hobbit

      I’ma rootin for Sideshow Bob and crew.

      Mahomes impressed the hell out of me in the playoffs.

      • Mojeaux

        Sideshow Bob. LOL

        He is affectionately referred to as “Kermit” because of his voice.

    • Florida Man

      He did that with Juicy Smallet.

    • Rhywun

      What kind of sick masochist watches that crap…?

      • Florida Man

        Look down

      • Chafed

        Lol!

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      That was fun! thanks.

  12. mikey

    “She’s bleeding from her whatever.”
    When he said that and just kept on keeping on I knew he had the nomination.

  13. RAHeinlein

    I live on the south side of Ames – great place to see what our corrupt council has in-store as the yard-signs are distributed in this area (Healthy Living Center!), and I rely on these signs to tell me how not to vote in any upcoming special elections. My husband and I walk the neighborhood regularly – NO Biden signs, a couple Warrens, half a dozen Bernie, two Booker, first Klobuchar spotted today, several Yang signs in dorm/student windows. I’ve actually seen more Bernie signs displayed from 2016-2018 versus present.

    • whiz

      I’m on the north side of Ames, and as I mentioned, Warren, Buttigieg, and Yang seem to have the most yard signs around here. Plus there have been two Tulsi signs on Grand (a major north-south street, for those not from here) for quite a while.

      • CPRM

        Tulsi signs

        Tis the RUSHUNZ.

  14. Festus

    Saying this as a veteran of the mid-70’s disaster movie craze, “OMIGOD! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!”

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      “LOOTERS!”
      /Marjoe Gortener in Earthquake!

      • Festus

        Earthquake! Some rando asking a woman with shards of glass sticking out her head “Are you alright?”

      • straffinrun

        *winces* could totally see myself asking that.

      • Festus

        We little shit-lords erupted in laughter at that scene.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Airplane!

    • straffinrun

      +1 Dante’s Towering Inferno.

      • Festus

        The Swarm!

    • Festus

      It’s gotta be those tiny genes…

      • Festus

        Speaking of which, I was at the recycling center, waiting in line like a good little sheep and the girl ahead of me in the yoga pants and top-knot hairdo was making quite the spectacle of herself. She must have noticed my aged male gaze because she started hoisting up her coat to show off the goods. Meth? Coke? Who knows? Festus got a show whilst waiting in line at the most depressing place in the city. Bartok was playing on the radio in the truck so the juxtaposition was pretty sweet. Her face weren’t great but she made up for it in enthusiasm. Day-time stripper is my best guess.

      • Rhywun

        Speaking of depressing enviro-bullshit, I learned today that our plastic bag ban takes effect on March 1st. Folks on the dole get a break but the rest of us get the regressive tax. I can’t wait to spend money on cat litter bags just to appease that bitch Gaia.

      • Mojeaux

        How do you get taxed? You pay a premium for plastic bags or what?

      • grrizzly

        Retail stores are banned from giving away free plastic and/or paper bags. There’s a minimum fee that a store has to charge for a bag.

      • Festus

        5 cents a bag up here to appease the Earth Mother.

      • Rhywun

        5 cents for a paper bag or “bring your own”. I figure I’ll look for one or more of those “net bag” things that I can roll up into a ball because no fucking way I’m carrying bulky disgusting cloth bags everywhere I go.

        I’m more pissed about having to pay for alternatives for the catbox and recyclables.

      • dbleagle

        Individually bag each piece of produce in plastic bags. Those should work for litter duty.

      • Gustave Lytton

        At least I can still shop with a car and leave a hundred count of plastic bags in the back. Bags that I would have never ordered without the ban. So a net consumption of plastic. Going to look into straws next.

      • Festus

        I’m a custodian.. I literally bleed plastic bags out of my whatever.

      • Gustave Lytton

        My infantry training got me a job as a substitute janitor with the schools for a couple months years ago. I still silently judge the quality of the current janitorial service. And raid the closet for supplies so I can do it myself between scheduled cleanings.

      • Mojeaux

        U-Line #FTW

      • Festus

        They have the best stuff but I don’t have a company account. It’s either the local guy or a company three hundred miles away that fucks up the order every, single, time.

      • Mojeaux

        *ahem*

        *I* have a company account, just sayin’…

    • Rhywun

      Remember when people called the 70s the “Me Generation”?

      *snort*

      • Festus

        They’re going to call the 20’s the “Them Generation”.

    • commodious spittoon

      giving up sex was a massive relief

      If you held onto it for awhile I bet it’s a relief.

      • Festus

        Ken and Barbie nod solemnly.

  15. Tulip

    OT: Gordon Ramsay has an Ultimate Cookery Class on Prime. I love it. He goes really fast, though. I’ll have to watch again with a notebook.

    • Chipping Pioneer

      On tonight’s episode of 24 Hours in Hell or whatever it’s called, one of the line cooks was wearing a Pepe the Frog bandana. Which one of us was that?

  16. SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

    So, erm, I got my first taste of government lobbying tonight. Slimy is the word that comes to mind.

    • Mojeaux

      Why were you jello wrestling with eels?

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        We need something from the government, and they don’t want to give it to us. They’re talking with us about it, but they have already made the decision not to give it to us.

      • Festus

        “Join us! Join Ussss!”

  17. Yusef drives a Kia

    So, the Army of the 12 monkeys have 28 Days to start World war Z,
    https://slashdot.org/story/366450
    Closing down flights to China,

    • Rhywun

      If a lot of movies I like have taught me anything, it’s that these measures are going to FAIL.

      • Spudalicious

        +1 Andromeda Strain and Omega Man.

      • Festus

        Saw Andromeda Strain when I was about 8. Scared the shit out of me but I was always a fretful little boy.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Both, Yes!

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Considering the virus is transmittable before symptoms occur and it’s already here that’s a bit late.

    • Gustave Lytton

      I haven’t been to /. in years. That is….sad.

      • Mojeaux

        Good choice. I’ve only heard that a few times in my life, but I like it and now I know what it is.

      • straffinrun

        I’ve always like that song regardless of where I was on the political spectrum.

      • Gustave Lytton

        So do I. That’s how you do youthful outrage.

      • CPRM

        Youthful? He looks at least 50.

      • straffinrun

        Everybody looked 50 back then.

      • Rhywun

        Also end of the world.

        TW: giant turd but I like this one.

      • CPRM

        The rapture is the end of the world, right?

      • Chafed

        I want to congratulate everyone for not linking to REM.

      • Mojeaux

        I was expecting it, too, but I sure as hell wasn’t going to do it.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        So….you didn’t want it linked??

  18. CPRM

    New cartoon submitted! With a guest character! Up to TPTB when it airs. Not this PTPB.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Not true. Of course, you could do some early sharing with those that merit it….

      • CPRM

        *COUGH*

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        I will only say that the “M-16s” line and delivery are my personal fave.

      • CPRM

        Was the guest appearance reveal good?

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        I think so. I can’t imagine a better way, all things considered.

      • CPRM

        When I record these I only hear the aspects of my own voice, it only hits home that they really are different when I accidentally use a wav file of me doing the other one to animate the opposite. Only then does it hit home that I’ve done a good job of creating two different characters from my own voice.

      • Chafed

        CPRM you need to learn how to up your Patreon game.

      • CPRM

        Are you complaining as a Patron, or giving advice as a person?

  19. straffinrun

    Beginning to realize that I’m not the smartest tool in the shed.

    • Florida Man

      Just now?

      • straffinrun

        I just never realized how sharp the saw is.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Welcome to the club, brother!

      I’m the old 5lb maul way in the back of the shed. I was never sharp to begin with and now I’m old and rusty.

      • Pope Jimbo

        BTW, finally realizing/admitting you are a dumbass is one of the most liberating moments of your life.

        No more trying to pretend that you know what the hell those car guys are talking about. Now you are free to just say “I have no idea and don’t care”.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        This, yes I can fix it, but no I’m done dicking around, Fix it again Tony!

      • straffinrun

        Go bully that bag of hammers in the corner.

      • Pope Jimbo

        I may be a dumb rusty maul, but even I know that isn’t a bag of hammers. I know a bag of dicks when I see one.

      • straffinrun

        I don’t.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Really? Go ahead and lick this hammer for me

      • Festus

        Ahem! All of those one-time tools back there would like a word!

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I’m the dull Exacto #11 blade

      • Festus

        Lucky! I’m the Chinese knock-off infected with the plague of the week.

      • Festus

        I’m not even the “flesh colored” crayon left in the box in some SJW’s kindergarten class.

      • straffinrun

        Can’t you just snap off a segment and have a sharp blade or is that only with Japanese exactos?

      • Gustave Lytton

        I don’t know how popular they are, but they’re available here from both Stanley and NT Cutter or Olfa at any hardware store.

      • straffinrun

        Thanks Ace.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I only use the real deal, some things are best left alone,
        a shitty Exacto will hurt you

    • CPRM

      Did you catch that ‘Japanese moms give head to their sons’ link in the last thread? Is this true? If so, how can an adult get adopted by a Japanese woman?

      • straffinrun

        Urban myth that never dies.

      • CPRM

        Can you get a grant to study it?

      • Jarflax

        I am picturing some totally out of touch Professor discovering Pornhub by accident and running in to the Grad Student lounge “I have discovered massive Incest in Japan, Mom’s are having sex with their sons to encourage good grades!” and the Grad students looking at each other fighting back laughter and saying “You should publish, I’d be happy to hep with the research Professor Dork”

      • Chafed

        I love a theory that fits the facts.

      • Festus

        That’s gross even by Japanese OR German standards. Stands to reason that we had to bomb those cultures into submission.

  20. straffinrun

    Just heard that Tibet closed their borders with China due to the corona ?. Talk about closing the barn doors after the horses have fled.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Agree. That is a totes a bunch of bureaucrats trying to ram a llama ding dong plan through because they’ve got nothing else.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Sounds like a ram jam.

      • Festus

        I lust over the party girls in the background. Every time.

  21. Pope Jimbo

    Now Biden is hassling skinny guys too!

    Why is the narrative that Trump is going to blow up the world because of his ill temper? Biden is the one who keeps losing his cool. Imagine how mad he is going to be when Putin can do more push ups than he can.

    • Fatty Bolger

      Guess the dude was lucky that there weren’t any metal pool chains nearby.

    • Rhywun

      Ed is an idiot. “Make me poorer!”

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      But he knows Popcorn…

    • CPRM

      ‘LISTEN HERE FAT, YOU SAY YOU’LL SUPPORT ME IN THE GENERAL!? SUPPORT ME NOW! I CAN BEAT YOU IN A PUSH UP CONTEST. I COMMISSIONED NAVY SEALS! I WATCHED THEM SWIM, AND I DIDN’T WRAP A POOL CHAIN AROUND THEIR NECK’S. BUT IF YOU KEEP TALKING SHIT ABOUT ME, I’M GOING TO GO OUT BACK AND GET A LENGTH OF CHAIN AND BEAT YOUR FAT HEAD! I’LL TREAT YOU JUST LIKE THAT DRUNK DRIVER THAT KILLED MY WIFE! YOU SEE HOW I RUINED HIS LIFE? THAT’S HOW I’LL RUIN YOURS. THEN MY SON AND I WILL RUN A TRAIN ON YOUR FUCKING WIFE, THE SAME WAY WE DID ON MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AFTER MY OTHER SON DIED!’

      • Gustave Lytton

        +1 corn pop

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Looks like I picked the wrong day to switch avatars….

        ::SSSNNNIIIIFFFFF!::

      • Mojeaux

        I can’t tell if that’s a jockey or a half-armored jester knight.

      • Mojeaux

        So…a half-armored jester knight.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Umm….sure; we can go with that.

    • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

      Hey, look pall–I’ll button your jacket, you get wise with me.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        pal*

        /fml

      • Festus

        FML? Dude! You have been able to attract the only Glibertarian harem in existence. I’d venture to say that you’re doing alright.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Yeah, but when you can type, and your link-fu is for shite…

        /Harem?? I think you have the wrong Digby

      • Festus

        heh

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        I mean…it’s not that far off.

        Still…”Harem”??

        /Dude…

    • Festus

      + a bazillion titty twisters and purple nurples. Go Joe!

  22. Yusef drives a Kia

    2

  23. Rhywun

    LOL today in Punish the Wrong-Thinker: Tennis Edition.

    Martina Navratilova and John McEnroe paraded a banner bearing the name “Evonne Goolagong Arena” around Margaret Court Arena at a legends event to call for the facility to be renamed.

    At least wait for the old bag to die first – she’s in the fucking stands every day.

    • grrizzly

      Navratilova desperately needs extra woke points after committing heresy wrt trans athletes.

      • Rhywun

        That was my thought too. I kind of enjoyed her GFY attitude on that. Oh well.

        And Mac? What the hell, man.

    • Brochettaward

      The only good hipster is a dead hipster.

    • Rhywun

      Love it! It’s like peeking backstage at a Dead Can Dance practice session.

      • Mojeaux

        It’s also fun because now I’m wondering how to put that in Cods & Cuntes or even if I should.

      • Mojeaux

        OMG listen to this!

      • Gender Traitor

        Now THAT’S what I’m talkin’ about!!

      • Festus

        Neat!

      • CPRM

        Why were violins and violas invented if this was already around?

      • Mojeaux

        Because violins and violas don’t sound like a hurdy gurdy.

      • CPRM

        But a hurdy gurdy (from this example) does sound like violins and violas.

      • Mojeaux

        It has a drone.

      • CPRM

        It has a drone.

        What do you mean by this?

      • Mojeaux

        Drone

        What a bagpipe has that makes that continuous one-note buzz underneath the melody and harmony.

      • Gender Traitor

        Off the top of my head, a continuous (usually?) low note running under the melody.

      • Rhywun

        Don’t we have a bagpiper here? Love that stuff too.

      • Rhywun

        *swoon*

      • Mojeaux

        Comment underneath:

        The old man spins a tale without words. The notes of his craft fill your mind and send you around the world without a single step being taken. You feel at peace

        *sigh*

    • Gender Traitor

      Cool! But they need to STFU and play more. With that drone, I want to hear “Scotland the Brave” on one of those. I wonder if it has a wide enough range for that…

      • Mojeaux

        Click the second one I linked. Dude’s on Bandcamp.

      • Festus

        Had a record that we inherited from an Aunt that had Donovan’s original version. We mocked it even then.

    • Festus

      When did men stop talking like men and instead took on this lisping, faggy nonsense? Probably about the time they started wearing toques in the summer, I suppose.

      • CPRM

        toques

        Que?

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Canadian Hatwear, like a beanie but Canadian

      • CPRM

        SHHH! I know that! But I wan’ted a Canadian to try to explain it without using our lingo.

      • Rhywun

        I think that’s Canadian for beanie or something.

      • Rhywun

        about the time they started wearing toques in the summer

        PS. I hate that shit too.

      • Festus

        Rhywun gets it!

      • Festus

        Kay fine. Beanies. Knit caps. Crock warmers. Tea cozies. Wearing of such unless it it actually cold out has shown to reduce the size and functionality of the testes and reduces testosterone levels into the null. You will not procreate!

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Beanies. Knit caps. Crock warmers. Tea cozies.

        HEY! No need to get alOh–“Crock warmers….

      • Festus

        Funny that our sex-ed classes were basically the most feared teachers standing at the front of the room trying to stop us from giggling while they showed us a film about diseases. Principle Chamberlain pointing his oaken finger at us -“If You don’t play with fire you won’t get burned! Stop laughing! Who laughed?”

      • Festus

        We got sent to his office in about sixth or seventh grade and he was flexing out to early Beatles. Like standing behind his desk and checking his biceps to “She Loves You”. No wonder he hated us so very much.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        What a loathsome creature.

        “Shoe Love You”? For flexing?? Dear Lord…

      • CPRM

        *remembers when the gym teacher came to give the boys ‘the talk’*

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        when the gym teacher came

        I think they made that into a movie, or, two…

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        If I remember correctly, there was a sequel…

        Oh, yeah: Put me in, Coach!

      • Festus

        Imagine being a part of a group of eleven year old shit-lords and being herded into his office and catching him flexing biceps to Ringo’s metronomic beat? The music was loud enough that he didn’t realize we were there for about three seconds but we all seen what we saw… Head turn to the left, check that ham! Head turn to the right! Needs a little work. Siddown and shut up boys… We were bad boys but they had no excuse.

      • Festus

        You’d think that parents would have been involved but it was the 70’s and we were little dirty-toed avengers. Back then parents just kicked your ass a little more if you fucked up in public school. That’s half the reason I’m a Glib.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Considering what we all know educators get up to when they think they aren’t being observed, I’d say your group was also rather fortunate.

        “Principal Flex” would be a great screen name/online handle.

      • Festus

        He was a piece of work. Loved my brother because he could see that he was going to turn into a hard little man just like him. Hated me. I was soft and liked the girls a little bit too much. When they caught us in the girls’ tent at sleepaway camp there were many a slap across the back of the head and pushing down onto the gravel. I’ll bet that I visited the Principals’s office at least 40 times in my last years at Elementary school and half of them were for being set up to fail. Funny that when we moved and changed schools I was called in there once and it was over a student strike I had nothing to do with.

      • Chafed

        Citation?

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Bruh–what do you expect when you over-warm your crock?

      • Festus

        Yeast.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        *Infected* yeast.

      • Chafed

        Ewww

      • UnCivilServant

        Wearing of such unless it it when it is actually cold out

        has no benefit whatsoever.

    • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

      Hmmm…..I think I’m beginning to see why there is a lot of talk about antisemitism in the Black community.

      • straffinrun

        There will be people that will blame Jews for being racist against blacks and not even notice what they did there.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Yep. #CollectivismIsABitch

    • CPRM

      He’s an asshole. But, is he wrong?

      • straffinrun

        Was Kobe a rapist? Didn’t look like it to me. At a minimum, you’d have to say you aren’t more than 60~70% sure he was one. Probably best in that case to let the family bury him in peace and let his fans mourn. Never was a fan of Kobe, but Ari is being an ass.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Maybe he knows something about the issue that others don’t? In any event, he is being an ass.

      • straffinrun

        If he had mocked random people for the over the top signaling and wailing, that’d be one thing. I doubt he has any more info on the rape case than anybody else. Add the fact that a 13 y/o died too and he does indeed look like an ass.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        I doubt he has any more info on the rape case than anybody else.

        Same for me–not really likely; I just offer up possibilities (maybe he knows the ‘victim’ tangentially, knows someone who had a similar situation and conflated this with that, etc).

        Sometimes comics are unfunny shitheads, and, definitely aren’t sacrosanct.

      • straffinrun

        Possible. And yeah, that pisses me off when comics get all 1 amendmenty when it comes to their craft and are crickets when it comes to the average Joe. Looking at you Bill Burr.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Tell me about Bill’s one-way-streetism, if you don’t mind. I’m very interested in hearing about his blind spots.

      • straffinrun

        Not much to tell. It’s just his silence when non comics are being deplatformed as compared to his loudness when comics are attacked by the mob.

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Ah; gotcha.

      • Festus

        The nobodies that died had a story to tell. I never liked him but still feel bad for the little girls that went away.

    • Chafed

      Who is this guy?

      • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

        Ari is a comic that, from what I’ve seen, likes to do darker, edgier, “asshole” comedy. Pushing envelopes, and all that BS.

      • straffinrun

        Pretty famous comedian. Goes on Rogan all the time.

  24. Festus

    Going to bed now. I made two different kinds of oven drumsticks, one is the normal shakey-bakey and the other is hepped-up bbq. I love you all. Wifey says they’re tasty.

    • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

      I love you all.

      What, ALL of us??

    • Mount Me, Sir Digby!

      Ooh…nice Selectric ‘writer in that pic!

  25. Rufus the Monocled

    What a sucky party with sucky ideas.