Thirty-Something Rifle Cartridges IV: The 375s
As we approach the top-end of the Thirty-Something rifle cartridges, we get a real mixed bag. In this caliber range you can find some great short-to-medium range woods rounds along with some major-league heavy hitters; a few real old-timers, one near-immortal and a few new entries into the market.
So, without further ado, let’s have a look at the .375s.
At the End of the Black-Powder Era…
In 1884, along with the .32-40 we examined previously, the Ballard folks brought their single-shot Perfection #4 rifle in an improved version of their old .38-50 Everlasting. The new round was the .38-55 Ballard, using 55 grains of black powder to launch a 255-grain .377 slug at the modest velocity of about 1,400 fps. This wasn’t an overwhelming stopper even by the standards of the time, when the .45-70, .45-90, .45-120 and .50-90 were around in single-shot rifles. But in 1894, the folks at Winchester noticed that the Ballard round would work nicely in their new repeater, and so the relabeled .38-55 Winchester became the second round besides the .32-40 to be released in the new Model 1894.
While the subsequent release of the .30WCF largely eclipsed the older black-powder rounds, the .38-55 continued to be offered in the Model 94, the Savage Model 99 and the Model 93 Marlin, along with several single-shot rifles besides the Ballard. But the round slowly faded out despite being adapted to the new smokeless powders, and after 1940 no commercial rifles were sold in this caliber.
The good old .38-55 has seen something of a renaissance in recent years, though, in part because of the Cowboy Action shooting craze in the late Nineties. It’s still a fine round for deer and black bear at medium ranges, and in addition to older guns, the round may now be had in some newer versions of the Model 94, along with the H&R Handi-Rifle, the Henry lever guns and a few others.
But only a few short years after the advent of the great Model 94, some folks in London were to bring out a new .375-caliber round for the new smokeless powders that would end up being damn near immortal.
The Mid-Century
Two years before the start of the Great War, the London gunmakers of Holland & Holland designed a new kind of cartridge. Created for the new cordite powders, the new .375-caliber cartridge had a long, tapered case and a rounded neck, to ensure that the cartridges would feed and extract reliably from a bolt-action magazine rifle. The Holland & Holland designers were concerned that headspace may be an issue with the tapered case and minimal neck, so they borrowed a trick they had first tried in 1905 on the .400/375 Belted Nitro Express, a cartridge that didn’t quite catch on. But it did have a feature that H&H though might solve their headspace concerns, and so they added a belt to the base of the case for the round to headspace on, making the new .375 Holland & Holland Magnum the first commercially successful belted magnum. The new round launched a big 270-grain slug at about 2,600 fps. Now this series is mostly focused on American cartridges, but the impact of the Holland & Holland round on the shooting world is too significant to be excluded, regardless of its London origins.
The .375 H&H was aimed squarely at the then-booming African safari market and is indeed a tad overpowered for anything in North America except perhaps the largest Alaskan grizzlies, polar bears and the big Alaska-Yukon moose. But the H&H round packs a comforting amount of wallop for anyone after toothy, dangerous critters, and it quickly caught on with guides and professional hunters, not excluding professional Alaskan and northern Canadian guides.
A few variations quickly emerged. There was the .375 Flanged Magnum, which took the basic .375 H&H case, removed the belt and added a rim to ease its use in single-shot and double rifles. Wildcatter P.O. Ackley produced the .375 Ackley Improved, using a blown-out version of the H&H case to fire the 270-grain slug at 2,800 fps. In 1944, Roy Weatherby duplicated Ackley’s work with his characteristic double-radius shoulder on the case, yielding very similar ballistics to the Ackley round with his .375 Weatherby Magnum.
But the real legacy of the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum lay in its descendants, including a great number of American-made offspring. The H&H round became the basis for an entire catalog of magnum cartridges.
The list of cartridges based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum case includes:
- .244 H&H Magnum – based directly on the .375 H&H case
- 7mm Shooting Times Westerner – Via the 8mm Remington Magnum
- .30 Super A modified variant of the .300 H&H Magnum produced by Winchester
- .300 H&H Magnum – based directly on the .375 H&H case.
- .300 Weatherby Magnum – via the full length .30 Super improved
- 8mm Remington Magnum – necked down improved .375 H&H case
- .340 Weatherby Magnum – via the full length .30 Super improved
- .350 Griffin & Howe Magnum – based directly on the .375 H&H case
- .358 Shooting Times Alaskan – Via the 8mm Remington Magnum
- .375 Weatherby Magnum – via the .30 Super improved
- .40 BSA Magnum
- .400 H&H Magnum – based directly on the .375 H&H case
- .416 Remington Magnum – via the 8mm Remington Magnum
- .458 Lott – based directly on the .375 H&H case
- .470 Capstick – based directly on the .375 H&H case
And then there are the standard-length cartridges based on the .375 H&H Magnum case:
- .257 Weatherby Magnum – via the .30 Super
- .26 BSA Magnum
- .264 Winchester Magnum – based directly on the .375 H&H case
- .270 Weatherby Magnum – via the .30 Super
- .275 H&H Magnum – developed along with the .375 in 1912
- 7×61mm S&H – via the .275 H&H Magnum
- 7mm Remington Magnum – based on the .375 H&H case via the .264 Winchester Magnum case
- 7mm Weatherby Magnum – via the .30 Super
- .300 Winchester Magnum – based directly on the .375 H&H case
- .308 Norma Magnum – used standard length Weatherby cases
- .33 BSA Magnum
- .338 Winchester Magnum – based directly on the .375 H&H case
- .358 Norma Magnum – used standard length Weatherby cases
- .458 Winchester Magnum – based directly on the .375 H&H case
And finally, several short action cartridges were based on the .375 H&H Magnum case:
- 5mm Remington Magnum – via the .350 Remington Magnum
- .350 Remington Magnum – via the 7mm Remington Magnum
- .450 Marlin – via the .458 Winchester Magnum
In addition to fathering this wild variety of rounds, the .375 H&H remained pretty much the gold standard of .375-caliber rounds. But while Holland & Holland was riding tall in the .375-caliber saddle, over in the States, Roy Weatherby wasn’t sitting on his hands.
The .375 Weatherby Magnum hadn’t blown up too many skirts, so in 1953, Weatherby went all out. In that year he took the .416 Rigby case, added a belt, necked the case down with the characteristic double radius shoulder and brought forth the .378 Weatherby Magnum. This was a real gob-smacker, sending forth the 270-grain slug at 3,100 fps for almost three tons of muzzle energy.
But, as with other proprietary rounds, there were some shortcomings with the proposition. First, the round was only chambered in Weatherby rifles, and second, initially the ammo was only available from Weatherby. At this time American manufacturers were producing .375 H&H ammo and the H&H round was chambered in American-made rifles, including the very fine Model 70 Winchester. The big Weatherby case didn’t fit in standard Mauser-type actions, either.
Still, the Weatherby round found some fans among African hunters and guides, and the folks who just must have the biggest and toughest of anything.
There was one more major development in .375-caliber rounds in the twentieth century. This development, however, was not another Eargesplitten Loudenboomer; instead, twenty-five years after Roy Weatherby brought out his .378 shoulder-pounder, Winchester went back to the past and brought out a modernized take on an old favorite.
In 1978, the re-organized and re-organizing Winchester had developed their Model 94 Big Bore rifle and with it, the rimmed .375 Winchester cartridge. This round was a sort of modernized .38-55, based as it was on the slightly shortened .38-55 case made with thicker brass to take stouter loads. The .375 Winchester in the Model 94 (Ruger quickly made it available in their falling-block #3 single shot as well) sent forth a 200-grain soft-point at 2,200 fps, making for a great woods round for deer and black bear.
Consider the differences in the design philosophies of these two cartridges. Weatherby rifles and cartridges were, at that time, top-end, carriage trade items, costly, fine quality and top-end on the power range. Winchester, on the other hand, meant to and did appeal to a more common type: The American hunter and outdoorsman, who is generally more concerned with knocking over a corn-fed farm-country whitetail than stopping a charging buffalo. This was ever Winchester’s market, and that continues to this day.
That’s where stood with the American picture of .375s until recently.
Today
The new century has seen a few developments in the .375 world. Some are interesting, some are head-scratchers.
In 1999, the folks at Steyr were working on their interpretation of Col. Jeff Cooper’s Scout Rifle concept. The arm they came up with was a bizarre-looking concoction with an integral bipod and a clunky, awkward synthetic stock; when it comes to the Scout concept, personally I prefer Ruger’s take on it. But Steyr did release a .375 round to go with the new Steyr Scout’s short action, that being the .376 Steyr. The Steyr round was based on the 9.3x64mm Brenneke case, shortened and necked up to take the .375 slug, and sent a 270-grain slug on its way at about 2,600 fps. This yielded some stout recoil in the lightweight rifle, and while Steyr also introduced the round in its more traditionally styled Pro Hunter rifle, sales were never what one would call brisk.
Also, in 1999, Remington had taken the .404 Jeffries case, reduced the taper of the case and necked it down to .30 caliber. The inspiration for this was work done with that .404 case by Canadian wildcatters Aubrey White and Noburo Uno in British Columbia in the 1980s, but Remington commercialized the idea (it’s unclear whether White and Uno received any credit) and called the new round the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum. In 2000, Big Green upped the ante by necking that reworked case back up to .375, resulting in the .375 Remington Ultra Magnum. This round required a magnum-sized action but fell short of the ballistics of the .378 Weatherby, releasing a 270-grain slug at a mere 2,940 fps.
Finally, in 2007, Ruger and Hornady conspired to bring out something unusual in the shooting world – an entirely new cartridge, designed more or less from the ground up. This was the standard-length .375 Ruger, using the same case head diameter as the .375 H&H belted case but forgoing the belt for a full-diameter case. This round could be chambered in standard-length rifles and was introduced in the M77, giving American hunters an affordable rifle that punched out the 270-grain .375 bullet at a tidy 2,800 fps. This was significant for a couple of reasons: It gave .375 H&H performance in a standard-length action, and its introduction in the M77 gave hunters big-league horsepower in an affordable rifle.
The .375s are something of a dichotomy. There are the woods rifles and the major hitters, but there doesn’t seem to be much of anything in between; at least, not in factory rounds. Today, the .375 Winchester remains popular in its niche, along with its revived grandpappy the .38-55. But in the major leagues, the king of the .375 calibers remains, after over a hundred years, the grand old .375 Holland & Holland Magnum. For some years now I’ve been holding open a space in the gun rack for a nice old pre-64 Model 70 Winchester in the .375 H&H, but examples of such command a tidy few shekels, so that may not happen for a while.
Next: In the final segment, we’ll look at the leftovers; a few wildcats, some long-obsolete rounds, a few oddball calibers, and some other assorted sports and misfits. Stay tuned.
assorted sports and misfits
So, a review of the Glibertariat? Should be interesting.
“Our archivist has unfortunately checked into a sanitarium after attempting to collect the information required for a review.”
STEVE SMITH NOT MISFIT. HIM ASSORTED SPORT!
I never knew that the Boy Scouts developed their own cartridge!
It’s the only legal round to shoot 12 year old kids with.
Why would 12 year-old kids need magnums? Wouldn’t regular sized condoms fit better?
I have a fair amount of experience reloading, shooting and hunting with this caliber. The 375 Winchester ini a ’94 is my favorite hunting rifle. The 375 H&H is quite a thumper but loaded down with lead bullets it is appropriate deer medicine and can really reach out there. Heavy 375 caliber bullets retain a lot of energy as far down range as you care to measure.
As for cases based on the 375 Holland I have 338 win mag, 375 H&H, 458 win mag and 458 Marlin. Oh, and 7mm Rem Mag.
Despite all I have had the 94 in 375 Winchester is still my favorite hunting rifle. Light, well balanced and easy to carry. It points as naturally as your finger and packs a real punch.
375 Win cases are only manufactured once every ten years or so. When I couldn’t get them I substituted 38-55 cases and was surprised to find out that the old 38-55 were a touch longer than the 375 Win. I thought it would be the other way around. Turns out the new 38-55s are made with brass on par with the 375 win so I guess I am not the only one trading them back and forth.
*When a higher pressure round is made based on an old, lower pressure round the new ones are generally made a touch longer to prevent the higher pressure rounds from being loaded in older, lower pressure guns. For some reason Winchester decided on the opposite, probably because the older guns can probably handle the new rounds.
*450 Marlin, not 458
I own nothing in any of those calibers mentioned.
Still, I enjoyed the article. Thanks for taking the time to write it Animal.
Same here. It is fascinating to see the ebbs and flows of misc. calibers, and the reasons therefor.
I like to read about them, even as I only chase the white tails (and tales) through the brush. I’ve never needed anything like that here in the woods. Great article, Animal, always waiting for more, to fill in the open spots of my memory. Thanks and looking forward to more stories of the oddballs and misfits. If you can wiggle some gun stuff in that’s a bonus. Oh, you weren’t talking about a Glib meet up. Excuse me…
Q, you are wanted at the courtesy phone.
The Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear an appeal from three women from the Free the Nipple movement, who filed suit after they were arrested for publicly exposing their breasts.
The women challenged a Laconia, N.H., law that forbids topless women. The law says it is illegal to show female breasts in public “with less than a fully opaque covering of any part of the nipple.” The women argued in their suit that their constitutional rights were being infringed simply because they are women.
“They were arrested and prosecuted as women for doing what any man may lawfully do,” the women wrote in their petition to the Supreme Court. “For being both topless and female in public, each was convicted of violating an ordinance criminalizing the public exposure of her ‘female breast.’ ”
The women argued that a law that punishes women for exposing their breasts but lets men do so violates the Constitution’s 14th Amendment, which mandates that laws must be applied equally to everyone.
Free the tatas.
The women argued that a law that punishes women for exposing their breasts but lets men do so violates the Constitution’s 14th Amendment,
They might have an argument, if men had breasts.
What about men who identify as women? Does the law apply to them?
Of course, silly. Everyone knows that men who identify as women ARE women.
SHE PEES STANDING UP!!
His name is Robert Paulson.
Chuck “moobs” Schumer.
Richard Roundtree.
Men do have breasts and these chics are right.
This case is a perfect example of how we suck at choosing judges and widespread malpractice in the courts. First of all this isn’t a problem govt should be dealing with on any level. It is a cultural phenomena and society can handle it without courts stepping in and making pronouncements on mores, something they are uniquely unqualified to do.
The girls are nutters and it pisses me off that the courts are so fucked up that they make me defend nutters.
Men can get breast cancer.
Maybe it’s a matter of nomeclature (“breast” cancer) instead of scientific labeling, but men do have breasts.
What would have been clearer is to say “exposing their nipples”. They already display their breasts with itty bitty coverings on the nipples. That’s the “naughty” and “transgressive” part.
If there were true equality they would have been forced to register as sex offenders.
A list of women who are, err, sartorially uninhibited would be, umm, interesting.
An episode of American Dad has a B plot about a female “sex offender” who talked to teenage boys to get them to rehab houses to flip them for a profit.
That was a let down. I was totes hoping for the climactic scene where a spunky blonde legal student showed up to defend the Free the Nipple 3. I’m picturing a leering male justice swigging beer, waggling his eye brows at the heroic women and then BOOM! Kagan, Sotomayer and Ginsberg rip off their robes and flash their own nipples in a courageous show of solidarity.
The male justices just sit there stunned and unable to react as the crowd hoists the female justices, the lawyer gal and the defendants onto their shoulders and parade down the streets.
Nobody believes you want to see Kagan, Sotomayor, and Ginsburg rip off their robes, Pope.
Even Rule 34 has limits.
The circulation numbers of that fine men’s magazine Granny Gash says that you are absolutely wrong about what the people want.
STEVE SMITH NOT KNOW ABOUT PEOPLE. BUT HIM KNOW HIM NOT WANT!
Please Jimbo, I just had lunch. Gimme a break
I wonder whether the women involved think a man who grabs a woman’s breast should not be considered guilty of sexual assault. Grabbing a man’s breast is considered assault, but not sexual assault. If they’re all such staunch defenders of equality, I’m sure they’d agree that the same standards should apply.
As long as intrepid female reporters could still file criminal charges and ruin the life of any shitlord who dared grab their ass during a live shot from a 5k race, I think they’d be fine with it.
Thanks for letting my know that I can ignore it.
The series will have a “more pessimistic take” on Starfleet, the quasi-military arm that handles discovery, research, and, generally, law enforcement duties for the United Federation of Planets, according to Newsweek. Stewart described the fictional organization, now years past the events of “Star Trek: The Next Generation,” and the subsequent Star Trek films, as hopelessly corrupt and cruelly “isolationist” in the face of a galactic refugee crisis.
“Picard, which will debut January 23 on CBS All Access, portrays a corrupted federation, which has turned isolationist in response to a Romulan refugee crisis, caused by the destruction of their home world by a supernova in the year 2387. That same event spawned the parallel timeline setting for 2009’s “Star Trek” reboot movie and its two sequels,” the outlet reported late last week.
“Picard,” he notes, is “me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed? Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.”
Stewart goes on to describe both the United Kingdom and the United States as “f***ed.”
I think this show’s chances are f***ed.
letting me* know, even.
Hard pass.
That’s it, boys and girls. Star Trek has jumped the shark, as has Patrick Stewart’s career.
I’m going to ignore the blatant politicizing and just focus on how little sense it all makes. These advanced star trekking civilizations had no idea the sun’s time was up and no plan in place? And didn’t the Romulan empire span multiple star systems in the first place and didn’t Trek fans complain about how little sense the movies made? They’re really going to double down on the stupid?
I’m pretty sure there’s enough evidence in previous series that the Romulan empire spanned a great deal of systems. If the capital goes kaboom, I’d see if fragmenting into multiple competing empires, each claiming to be the true successor based around regional governer’s personal power bases.
Star Trek has suck-diddly-ucked since the original series. This is no different.
hopelessly corrupt
Interesting.
and cruelly “isolationist” in the face of a galactic refugee crisis.
I’m out.
Hold on. I’m morbidly interested in finding out how Romulan space travel causes climate change on Earth.
No, the Federation already wrecked the Earth and the kind-hearted Romulan refugees are going to teach them the error of their ways.
Romulans use every piece of the tauntauns?
“Because we won’t be happy until the entire world is under one totalitarian regime, we’re all starving, and half the planet dies. sksksks an i oop save the turtles!”
How mildly disappointing. I wasn’t expecting much, anyway.
They didn’t specifically call it out, but if the new series is trying to incorporate current political trends into the shows, I expect a lot more episodes throwing shade on the (((Ferengi)))?
I take a little schadenfreude in how the heavy-handed political preaching of Star Trek sabotages itself.
It frequently portrays capitalism as an outdated system, but they live in an era with replicator technology.
I’ll make a promise: I’ll consider socialism as a viable option when matter replicators are invented. Until then, capitalism it is.
The Ferengi were the heroes.
Bring back the serialized Western style of the original.
We need more green slave girls and less preening, moralizing bullshit.
There is only the original
Does Picard have to investigate some made-up charges of Romulan interference in an election? Sounds really exciting.
I really enjoyed the three Next Gen-era series, and the movies, despite the “glorious space communism” aspect of it. It treated it’s subject matter fairly and intelligently most or all of the time, and the characters, and writing were excellent. You could watch TNG and understand that cast was actually having fun making that show. I have a lot to say on this which would be very boring, but not really in a “trekkie” sense. I just miss that kind of TV. Who remembers ‘The Drumhead’? That is probably one of those most profoundly relevant pieces of TV for today’s world. It had a big impact on me.
+1 Jean Simmons
-1 Gene Simmons
I acutally don’t remember that episode from the description. I am sure I saw it and it would come back to me if I watched it again.
For all the commie nonsense in TNG, the leadership style they wrote for Picard was pretty mush was good military and business leaders do – solicit recommendations from subordinates, consider them, then make a decision and issue orders. Mr. Plinkett used as an example of how crazy the new Star Wars’ ideas of leadership were.
Maybe you’d be more into a reboot of ALF?
He’s been working out and is ready! (NSFW)
Hopefully the finale is Kirk running for Federation President in a red “Make the Federation Great Again” hat and winning the election. The second season can be Piard throwing Autistic tantrums while, somehow, Kirk keeps on winning, bigly.
“Kirk is a Klingon stooge! Its so obvious!”
Cardi B for Prez
“I think I want to be a politician,” she wrote on Twitter Monday. “I really love government even tho I don’t agree with Goverment [sic].” …
“I do feel like if I go back to school and focus up I can be part of Congress,” she continued. “I deadass have [sic] sooo much ideas that make sense. I just need a couple of years of school and I can shake the table.”
Have her watch a few episodes of School House Rock and she’ll be up to Congress level speed.
I just need a couple of years of school
Don’t see why. There were no publicly released records of our last President’s adventures in higher education.
Just the fact that she acknowledges that she doesn’t have all the answers completely disqualifies her from holding office.
Did any of the Squad feel the need to educate themselves? Could Pelosi draw a basic chart showing the supply and demand curves and explain what they mean? Could Schumer explain how TV cameras actually work (beyond where to stand so that you get on the telly)?
Pelosi seems like the type who does understand economics and the world in general, but she knows that most of the general public does not. She knows how to craft a persuasive sales message, which in the world of politics, is far more important than being factually correct.
AOC on the other had just seems like a total dumbass who is still mentally 13 years old.
I have no idea who this person is and I have a strong suspicion that I should keep it that way.
Grifter, thief, aspiring dictator.
So already a politician?
Yeah, I’d say she’s qualified by current standards.
Ever since Hornady and Ruger introduced the .375 Ruger I’ve been curious about wildcatting some of the. 375 H&H derivatives off of that as a parent cartridge instead. The Ruger has marginally improved ballistics over the old H&H, and being able to fut in standard length actions opens up a much larger number of rifles to put it in. Alas, I don’t have the time, money, or sturdy enough shoulder to properly build and test them.
If you dig around a bit you will find that everything from .12 caliber to .50 and above has been tried in nearly every original case and those derived from them. If you try wildcatting one parent cartridge you will end up with the same ballistics as some other cartridge with a different parent cartridge.
I am not discouraging you because what you suggest is a lot of fun and a good learning experience, but you really would be reinventing the wheel.
Case ini point…the new (to me) short magnum cartridges. Yeah, they fit in a shorter action but by increasing the diameter of the case you increase the surface area inside the case and thus reduce the amount of pressure it will hold and so end up with slightly inferior ballistics.
In the example. you use:
375 H&H – 270gr Barnes FB – 74gr IMR 4064 = 2796 fps
375 Ruger – 270gr Barnes FB – 73.5gr RL-15 = 2556 fps
I cant find case capacity but the difference is the cause. You give up a couple of hundred feet per second for the shorter action but given that the Holland cartridge is about the size of a large Marks-alot and really only practical in a single-shot rifle it is well worth it. You can get bolt guns in the Holland cartridge but you lift the bolt, run back with it about 5 yards, turn and push the bolt back 5 yards to the gun and close it. You can count to twenty while you do this as fast as you can. The single-shots are faster.
*If you are on the receiving end of these you cant tell the difference. The Ruger is a great improvement.
The Ruger has a case capacity of 99 grains, while the H&H had a capacity of 94. The Ruger with a 70 grain bullet has a listed muzzle velocity of 2,840 ft/s, compared to the H&H with 2,625 ft/s for a 70 grain bullet. The Ruger wasn’t designed as a wide short magnum, they used better metallurgy to increase the shoulder angle and remove the belt allowing them to have a shorter cartridge while being as wide as the original while increasing the case capacity. Essentially we can make better brass and have better ways of manufacturing cases these days, the Ruger is a straight improvement over the old H&H.
*(&#$&^!! Ford
Just blew an engine in one my diesel trucks. Oil cooler failure.
Shoulda gone Duramax, duh. I mean, it’s got dura right in the name. Ford schmord!
Under the circumstances, Power Stroke doesn’t sound that reassuring.
Is it just happenstance that diesel engine brand names would also work for condoms?
And my son is all in love with Ford F-series.
Unless he’s got need of a truck, they’re overpriced for what they are.
It’s insane how much I’m spending on a delivery truck compared to 15 years ago.
Well, he thinks in superlatives and reaches for the sky, and he will achieve it.
I guess I’ll let him find out for himself.
I’m happy with my Ram and I don’t think I’d buy a new car even if I could. Reading the list of bells and whistles reads like: “We are tracking your every move and you cannot opt out.”
Speaking of, I am now headed out to pay for my Hyundai’s alternator.
Whose joining my Free the Penis movement?
I’ve been offering up my penis for free for some 40+ years and had almost zero takers. I’d suggest you do a bit more market research before you sink any of your own money into this venture.
STEVE SMITH HAVE SEMINAR IN MAKE OFFER NO REFUSE!
I can see a lucrative government grant in your future and some ready volunteers, oops, participating subjects.
*unzips*
What is your group’s status on Airing of the Scrotum? (NSFW)
(That sure looks like a young Bernie showing how dedicated he was to Peace way back in 2005)
Thanks Animal. I want a Ruger No. 1 in H&H 375, but can’t really think of a good reason to buy it. My Marlin 336 in 35 rem will kill anything in Florida and I don’t hunt out of state.
Your Marlin can take down a charging gator that is hopped up on meth?
Gators is about shot placement. More than any other animal I can think of.
Who says you need a reason?
Want is reason enough.
NO KILL I.
/FL Horta
I’M A DOCTOR NOT A BRICKLAYER!!
I have one Florica man and I love it. Pro Tip: Three shots and you are done for the day. It kicks like….geez….I dunno. It very quickly gives you that special headache that nothing else can. You have to go home and sleep I toff.
The expense and lack of need, minus income needed for truck/home repair means no big boom stick. ?
Justice.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/appeals-court-orders-arizona-state-to-reinstate-male-student-expelled-for-having-a-threesome/
All threesomes must be protected!
I have to wonder if Rund believes his own bullshit or was instructed by the university to reach this conclusion.
Because decisions about sex are famously rational and well thought through.
No one can have sex by their own accord!
Uffda. I remember when I was accused by my hand of forcing it into an unwanted onesome. It claimed I deliberately sat on it to cut off blood flow to it so that it could be forced into unwanted positions.
You should know better than to get into relationships with co-workers.
I think my mistake was asking for a 5 finger discount. That did not go over well.
Next time, insist on the family member discount.
I did ask for one of those discounts, and I got a thumbs up (which turned out to not be at all what I wanted)
He was getting the band back together. Harry Palm and the Four Fleshmen
“No one can have sex by their own accord!”
Andrea Dworkin approves.
That is incredibly condescending.
Also, way worse to be the guy in a MMF. Not sure I get the logic there.
Why wasn’t the ‘other male’ expelled as well?
I thought that was how you graduate early at ASU. Also, John will still be expelled ‘without regard to the discredited findings’ unless there is something concrete saying they can’t.
Now see, this actually does beg the question.
*facepalm*
Is anybody calling out Mr. Rund for mansplaining to women that they’d have to be crazy to do a threesome?
Now what would be the utility in that?
The whole point is to change the rules in every situation for the maximum increase of female power.
Well, we know they are because they had a threesome.
This is why the pinkos want college kangaroo courts and avoid legit courts like the plague.
Huh. I just don’t think of Japan as having a lot of wildlife.
I don’t see anything that you would need a .375 to deal with, though.
Of course Japan has a lot of wildlife. You’d never be able to feed that many kaiju without a massive amount of ready food.
You can shoot little stuff with a big gun, but you can’t shoot big stuff with a little gun.
You can turn little stuff into really little stuff with a big gun . . . .
Splattered all over the place….
One of my pet interests (which is what prompted me to ask about a Glib poll of pet interests) is Pripyat and Chernobyl. Don’t ask me why; I can’t explain it.
It’s not on my bucket list or anything, but the way Gaia takes care of herself (she is badass and does not need Greta to protect her) is AMAZING. I am in awe.
Greta infantilizes nature. That is insulting to Gaia. Gaia not petty, though. Gaia just ignore Greta. By ignore mean rape.
Gaia not rape. Gaia send STEVE SMITH to rape.
While Gaia can ignore Greta, we can’t because she is the figurehead for the west’s move toward tyranny using climate change as a cloak.
Rape? Gaia “has a guy for that”.
Remember how Deepwater horizon was supposed to condemn the Gulf of Mexico to ruin forever?
Later on, when scientists couldn’t find the oils slick, they did research and found the waters contained an oil-eating bacteria that had neutralized the oil.
In awe indeed.
Of course, that received hardly any news coverage.
Don’t forget things like acid rain and gypsy moths.
dOeSn’T fIt ThE nArRaTiVe
You know what’s even more fascinating? How language can be mutilated to control the masses–and it WORKS!
Where fascinating = frightening.
the waters contained an oil-eating bacteria that had neutralized the oil
If memory serves, there are natural oils seeps in the Gulf, so this should be no big surprise.
Life… uh… life finds a way.
/some old movie
I don’t know if this was tried, but it seems neat.
Remember the EXON VALDEZ oil spill? The parts of the gulf that were scrubbed clean of oil took waay longer to recover – all the bacteria were killed. The parts that weren’t scrubbed came back quickly.
Hanford nuclear reservation similarly punched above its weight thanks to the longtime exclusion
https://www.fws.gov/refuge/Hanford_Reach/Wildlife_Habitat/
Give it time. It’ll take a few generations for the radiation induced mutations to cause kaiju proper.
Apparently it’s already managed to mutate racoons into dogs, or dogs into racoons. I’m not sure which way it’s going.
https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/a/af/Tanooki_Mario_Artwork_-_Super_Mario_3D_World.png/800px-Tanooki_Mario_Artwork_-_Super_Mario_3D_World.png
Clearly you are unaware of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_giant_hornet
Those need flamethrowers, not rifles.
I too would like to have a dinosaur gun!
A gun that fires Dinosaurs?
My desire would be for a gun that only dinosaurs would be able to fire. At which point militaries around the world would be investing heavily to clone dinosaurs. And then we can finally see if a well armed brontosaurus is any match for a gun toting T-rex
You know what? The internet used to be fun!
Where can I find funny stuff like this in today’s joyless PC world?
I’m pretty sure that mocking people who support life is still fashionable. I honestly can’t think of a time when it wasn’t fashionable. Definitely before the 20th Century
“Where can I find funny stuff like this in today’s joyless PC world?”
At a Glib meet up?
4Chan
I have told Yusef twice now to stop listening to sad music when he is so down. And yet, I cannot take my own advice. Fucking Russian composers.
I’ve always been curious about the perceived levels of “sad” and “happy” songs in the music of various cultures.
To the typical American, Briton, or Western European, the music of some other cultures might be described as sad, especially Russian, Eastern European, and klezmer. So do other cultures listen to more sad music, or do they just have different ideas of what a sad or happy song is?
It may be the music that makes it across to other cultures might be skewed. Personally the first piece that I think of when I hear “Russian composer” is Tchaikovsky’s 1812 overture, which outs definitely not a sad song.
Mine is Rachmaninoff.
Serendipitously, because of this, Rachmaninoff reminds me of mormons and vice versa. Also not sad.
Indeed.
They make me wish I hadn’t quit piano.
Eric Carmen did it over 30 years earlier. (That’s Piano Concerto No. 2)
My husband blares Rach when he is down – but somehow is always works for him.
I don’t think so. Eastern euros are always so sombre, except all the polka music of course.
Well, Russians are just dreary (present Glib excepted, natch).
I wouldn’t know the answer to that, naturally, but I think it is of note somewhere in such a discussion is that western classical music has been more or less taken over by the Chinese.
This also is a pet interest of mine. In The Red Violin, one of the tribulations the violin went through was the cultural cleansing during the Revolution. So I looked it up.
What is often forgotten is interest in Western classical music in China grew significantly after the end of the Qing dynasty (1644-1912) and – apart from a decade-long hiatus from 1966 due to the Cultural Revolution ban imposed on all Western music – the nation’s music lovers have long been eager to explore and embrace Western harmony, notation and instruments.
But why?
“People need this product of the West to liberate their cultural thinking from 2,000 years of feudalism.”
*mic drop*
Slavs are genetically programmed for misery. That’s why they bear it so stoically.
Vodka is how they bear it so stoically.
Beethoven’s Ninth, particularly the last movement is big in Japan.
I think ‘taking over classical music’ is at best an exaggeration that applies to music performance, but not composition.
Correct!
But I do not think it is an exaggeration.
Depends on the instrument. Strings and piano, yes. Pipe organ not so much.
*can’t quite come up with Asian pipe organ joke*
Fair.
They do not seem to care about baroque.
Personally, I’m a fan of Yuja Wang. Her playing style is phenomenal.
But Liberace is the undisputed king, if only for his ability to play the way he did and never break a finger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSNRpiS-wlE
Watch until he speeds it up.
Yuja Wang versus Lang Lang in a battle to the death…
I haven’t found a good video of the Rach 3 by Wang, so I linked Lang Lang instead.
There is a Ukrainian woman whose performances I love. Valentina Lisitsa. She does a solo version of the Rach 3.
Good observation scruffy, Violins, Violas, Cellos, and Piano were dominated by Asian kids in stepkids orchestra, not one Asian in brass except for senior year where the piano whiz switched to french horn (per stepkid, she was basically giving the finger to her mom by doing so) , only one in woodwind (bassoon), none on double bass or percussion.
Liberace’s sheer joy in playing is infectious.
At work, so can’t link myself. Please use the search engine of your choice and enter search terms “Angelique Kidjo Austin City Limits Afrika.” Repeat as necessary.
Aw, thanks!
As I’ve said before, it’s my favorite audio antidepressant.
Mine is Bruno Mars [insert pointing and mocking here].
I’m just not up to it today.
Another one to search for: Kate Winslet & “Weird Al” Yankovic, “I Need a Nap,” from Sandra Boynton’s “Dog Train” album. Good for a smile at the very least.
Not all Russian composers are dreary.
(If anyone gets a chance to see them in concert, they’re great.)
Oh, the the bandleader, Igor, is always drinking with fans before his shows. It’s a race to see if the audience or the band passes out first. Pro tip: Igor always wins.
This looks interesting. I’ll have to watch this evening.
There you go again. Trying to confuse me with facts.
“…senior scientists deliberately downplaying contradictions in the underlying data in order to present a tidy narrative”
Ya don’t say!
How many years now have I been pointing out that the whole global warming schtick has the exact anatomy of every scam ever?
1. Create crisis in mind of mark
2. Create sense of urgency, no time to think!
3. Mark must write check to avoid doom.
It is more complicated than that, but there it is in a nutshell. It couldn’t be more obvious.
OT: MLB coming down hard on the Astros. GM suspended for 1 year, manager suspended for one year, no draft picks. Alex Cora of Red Sox likely will get the same suspension.
No picks in first and second round ( where the good players are).
If the 2020 and 2021 drafts!
Big deal. Is it wrong to use your fellow players’ “tells” when playing poker? Sign stealing is being clever and prepared. They weren’t bribing the other team players to reveal secrets.
What’s next, making it cheating for an NFL team to ask a newly acquired player about his previous team’s playbook? To outlaw a QB looking over the defensive alignment and calling an audible to change plays?
Stealing signs is a part of baseball. Using a high definition camera feed from center field hooked up to a monitor in the dugout tunnel in real time to signal a batter at the plate is absolutely NOT part of baseball.
Not disagreeing, but would you draw the line at a scout with a pair of binoculars and a cell phone?
What’s next, making it cheating for an NFL team to ask a newly acquired player about his previous team’s playbook?
If he signed a confidentiality agreement and you know about it, that could be tortious interference.
About sign stealing in general, I tend to agree with you. But when the commissioner THREE YEARS AGO sent a memo to each GM about not using technology to do it and that they will be held responsible if the commissioner finds out, it’s more a matter of insubordination than anything else.
Blackstros!!
Wonder if this has anything to do with Dombrowski getting axed?
Watching the CNBC news update on Power Lunch. Apparently, Nature released a study predicting warmer temps will increase deaths:
We found that a 1.5 °C anomalously warm year, as envisioned under the Paris Climate Agreement2, would be associated with an estimated 1,601 (95% credible interval 1,430–1,776) additional injury deaths. Of these additional deaths, 84% would occur in males, mostly in adolescence to middle age. These would comprise increases in deaths from drownings, transport, assault and suicide, offset partly by a decline in deaths from falls in older ages. The findings demonstrate the need for targeted interventions against injuries during periods of anomalously warm temperatures, especially as these episodes are likely to increase with global climate change.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-019-0721-y
Given what passes as science, I’m proud of the label of science denier.
In other news, editors for Nature found that their own assholes were massively large and contained a treasure trove of bullshit statistics.
And drugs.
Targeted interventions for 1,601 people? What’s that percentage? .00000002%?
Pretty sure they are talking about “targeted interventions” against everybody. The deaths are from “drownings, transport, assault and suicide,”, so a good dose of gun control, mass transit, and nannying at pools and lakes should do it.
“….1.5 °C anomalously warm year, as envisioned under the Paris Climate Agreement2,….”
“envisioned” under an agreement even. My that’s really sciencey and all.
Let’s see. another 1,500 deaths in the US is less than what we see in additional deaths from the flu in a bad year. Meh.
Warmer weather will liekly result in more injury deaths- people get shooty when they’re too hot, and spend mroe time outdoors saying ‘hold my beer’.
HOWEVER
Reduced deaths from cold will more than offset that.
Think how many lives could be saved if we lowered the speed limit to 25mph, closed all the pools and beaches, and forbade people from leaving their houses when ever temps rose above 60 degrees.
What houses? Elizabeth Warren is going to ban housing. Remember that panopticon the SF designer was passing off as housing? We will soon all have our own glass front cubicle to lounge around in and slurp our gruel.
Zamyatin called it a century ago:
So I looked this guy Zamyatin up because I had never heard of him.
Dear Woke Academia: Take note.
Credible interval? Not confidence interval? They’re getting fancy, using bayesian bullshit instead of their regular frequentist bullshit, this will be interesting to rip through later.
I just sent the link to my son and told him he is wasting his time with Actuarial Science – those darn actuaries are just over-engineering prediction. Nature does it right, they should tackle public sector pensions next.
So we’re all going to die eventually? That sucks.
News to me.
Speak for yourself. I have every intention of living forever.
And from my point of view, I will.
I already am…
.338 Winchester Magnum
Jenny’s rifle!
Thanks, Animal. Another excellent submission!
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1216803773097693185
“Breaking News: U.S. Attorney General William Barr, declaring last month’s shooting at a naval air station in Pensacola, Florida, an act of terrorism, pushed Apple to unlock the gunman’s phones”
I remember when Apple did this with the San Bernadino shooters and we all pretended like Apple is totes principled and would definitely protect user privacy and all that jazz. But, in actuality we know that these companies frequently give away your information, especially if you suffer from wrong thought. The only time they seem to respect your privacy is after you’ve committed an act of terrorism (so long as its ‘woke’ terrorism and not like white supremacist terrorism, because then they’d give the FBI whatever they wanted).
Are we really suppose to pretend like if China wanted your data that Apple would somehow say no? Because that’s adorable.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2019/09/06/exclusive-feds-demand-apple-and-google-hand-over-names-of-10000-users-of-a-gun-scope-app/#5b47d77b2423
I’m old enough to remember when a single court forced Apple and Google to hand over data about users who downloaded some gun app and Apple and Google didn’t even appeal the ruling.
This game that they keep playing with terrorist phones is PR for wokesters, but is on the whole meaningless
I my feeble mind, one of these things isn’t like the other. Asking for the phone of a dead terrorist to be unlocked is probably justified – although a warrant process for such a thing would be nice.
Trolling for information on shooters / hunters who have not violated any law – seriously fuck off.
Yet, Apple is only willing to fight one of those requests all the way up the courts. Think about that
He can get a warrant.
Uh, didn’t Apple refuse to do so and a 3rd party vendor did that?
FBI withdrawal of request
On March 21, 2016, the government requested and was granted a delay, saying a third party had demonstrated a possible way to unlock the iPhone in question and the FBI needed more time to determine if it will work.[51][52][53] On March 28, 2016, the FBI said it had unlocked the iPhone with the third party’s help, and an anonymous official said that the hack’s applications were limited; the Department of Justice withdrew the case.[54][55] The lawyer for the FBI has stated that they are using the extracted information to further investigate the case.[56]
On April 7, 2016, FBI Director James Comey said that the tool used can only unlock an iPhone 5C like that used by the San Bernardino shooter, as well as older iPhone models lacking the Touch ID sensor. Comey also confirmed that the tool was purchased from a third party but would not reveal the source,[57] later indicating the tool cost more than $1.3 million and that they did not purchase the rights to technical details about how the tool functions.[58] Although the FBI was able to use other technological means to access the cellphone data from the San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone 5C, without the aid of Apple, law enforcement still expresses concern over the encryption controversy.[59]
Some news outlets, citing anonymous sources, identified the third party as Israeli company Cellebrite. However, The Washington Post reported that, according to anonymous “people familiar with the matter”, the FBI had instead paid “professional hackers” who used a zero-day vulnerability in the iPhone’s software to bypass its ten-try limitation, and did not need Cellebrite’s assistance.[60][61]