Thirty-Something Rifle Cartridges V: The Other Guys
The thirty-something range of rifle cartridges, like any other range, has a fair share of oddballs: Small-company proprietary rounds, wildcats, old black-powder rounds that didn’t transition to smokeless, and so on.
So, in this last segment, let’s look at some of the more notable oddballs.
At the End of the Black-Powder Era…
Black powder rounds tended to use larger bullets launched at (by necessity) lower velocities than smokeless powder loads, so towards the end of the black-powder era there were a lot of thirty-something rounds floating around.
In the thirty-two range, in the 1880s the Stevens New Model Range Rifles Nos. 9 and 10 were available in the .32-35 Stevens & Maynard round, which was ballistically very similar to the old black powder loads for the .32-40 Ballard. There was also a .32-40 Bullard (not to be confused with Ballard) that was brought out in 1887 for the Bullard lever gun, which didn’t survive into the twentieth century.
The Maynard single-shots were chambered in an odd variety of thirty-fives as well; the 1882 .35-30 Maynard and .35-40 Maynard, and the odd, externally-ignited 1865 .35-30 Maynard (not the same as the 1882 .35-30) which had a huge, plate-like rim and relied on an external primer, all saw their share of use, but none lasted.
We mentioned the .38-50 Ballard cartridge, that was the progenitor of the .38-55 Ballard (later Winchester) round. But Ballard had competition; there was the .38-35 Stevens, chambered in the Stevens “Tip-Up” single-shot rifle. The .38-50 Maynard, brought out in 1882, was very similar to the .38-50 Ballard but was not interchangeable. Then there was the .38-50 Remington-Hepburn, brought out in the Remington-Hepburn match rifles, and the .38-56 Winchester and the .38-72 Winchester, introduced for the 1886 and 1895 lever guns, respectively.
The late nineteenth century, up until the beginning of the Great War, was a time of great experimentation with rifles, rounds and the newfangled smokeless powders; even limited to thirty-something calibers, the space afforded to me here precludes describing them all. But as the shooting community moved beyond the Great War years, the thirty-somethings would continue to proliferate, as we have seen; the oddballs did so no less than mainstream rounds.
The Mid-Century
In an earlier segment, we examined the gun-making career of the remarkable Mr. Charles Newton; one of his rounds was, like most of his work, well ahead of its time, and thus was doomed to obscurity. The .35 Newton, first listed in the Newton catalog in 1915, was based on the .30 Newton case and was only ever available in Newton rifles. 
The big round punched out a 250-grain bullet at 2,800 fps, yielding hitting power in the same range as the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum with which it was a contemporary. But while the H&H round was available in a variety of rifles, the Newton round was only available in Charles Newton’s rifles, which were fitted with narrow stocks bearing steel buttplates and excessive drop. To call the .35 Newton rifles’ recoil “considerable” is reportedly a gross understatement. I have never handled one myself but have heard that it was an extremely difficult rifle to shoot well because of the pronounced kick.
There was one other notable entry in the magnum world; in the 1930s, the folks at Griffin & Howe necked down the .375 H&H case to .35 caliber and called it the .350 Griffin & Howe Magnum, which in some circles was called the .350 Holland & Holland Magnum due to the H&H folks offering it as an option in their rifles. Like the .375 H&H, the .350 G&H is a bit overpowered for most North American game, sending forth a 250-grain slug at almost 3,000 fps. Add that to its being, well, obsolete, and it’s a round you won’t run across very often, although if you did find one, cases are readily enough made from .375 H&H brass.
Only one cartridge in today’s discussion ended up in the mainstream; it fits in the discussion of oddballs only because it was the only successful U.S. rifle round to fire a .348 bullet.
In 1936, when Winchester improved their Model 1886 lever gun and reintroduced it as the Model 71, they brought out a new cartridge to go with it. The new round was based on the rimmed .50-110 case, shortened, tapered and necked down to take a .348 bullet. This was the .348 Winchester, a powerful round that sent forth a 200-grain .348 slug at almost 2,600 fps.
With a Model 71 Winchester chambered for the .348, American sportsmen had a solid, reliable lever gun capable of handling any game on the North American continent. This wasn’t new; the 1886 and the later 1895 lever gun already chambered powerful rounds, including even the .30-06 in the case of the box magazine-fed 1895. But the 1871 was popular enough that Browning made a limited run of reproductions in the late 1980s.
The .348 had one disadvantage: In the shooting world between the world wars, when bolt guns were slowly taking over from lever guns as the American sportsman’s favorite, the rimmed .348 was strictly a lever gun round. Most American bolt guns, based more-or-less on the 1898 Mauser, would not easily handle rimmed cases; so the otherwise excellent .348 Winchester languished, and after the Model 71 was discontinued in 1958, Winchester did not offer rifles for the round (the Browning replicas excepted), although they continued to sell loaded ammo for some years.
One wildcat round that saw some use in the twentieth century was an answer to the question “what do I do when my .30WCF (or .32 WS) rifle’s barrel is shot out?” The answer was this: Bore out and re-rifle the barrel to .35 caliber, neck up all your cases, and in so doing switch to the .35-30 wildcat. This was in fact one of the first wildcat rounds, dating back to before the Great War, and is reasonably effective, although it is still within the .30WCF/.32WS range. A similar round is the wildcat .357 Herrett, cases for which can be made from .30-30 brass. This latter round has achieved some popularity in the Thompson-Center Contender line of hunting handguns and was offered as a standard chambering in Contender barrels starting in 1974.
American shooters love to experiment, and that trend hasn’t ended as we move into the twenty-first century; not by a long shot.
Today
Recently, several Midwestern states that formerly disallowed rifles for deer hunting began to amend their laws. For example, in 2007 Indiana made it legal to hunt deer with a rifle as long as the cartridge case used was no longer than 1.625 inches and fired at least a .35 caliber bullet; in 2017, my old home state of Iowa legalized center-fired straight-walled rimless cartridges chambered for handgun use with bullets from 0.357″ to .500″ diameter and a case length from 0.850″ to 1.800″ and center-fired straight-walled rimmed cartridges chambered for handgun use with bullets from 0.357″ to 0.500″ diameter with a case length from 1.285″ to 1.800.” (The .375 Winchester, .444 Marlin and .45-70 were also specifically allowed.)
This led to a spate of wildcatting, particularly in Indiana, where necked cartridges were allowed. Such oddities as the .358 BFG, .358 Gremlin, .35 Indiana, .35 SuperMann and .358 Hoosier all started showing up in the Indiana forests and fields, demonstrating once again the capacity of the American wildcatter to respond to almost any challenge.
The final entry, not really an oddball but instead just a very recent innovation, came out only last year, again in response to the liberalization of the use of rifles for deer hunting in several Midwestern states. In 2019, Winchester developed an entirely new cartridge that was to meet several criteria: It had to be a straight-wall case to meet the new 
regulations in the aforementioned Midwestern states; it had to pack enough punch to easily take down big Midwestern whitetails, and it had to be adaptable to function in the wildly popular AR-15 platform rifles. The result of this was the straight-case .350 Legend, a neat little round that punches out a 160-grain bullet at 2,600 fps. While the round is made to be usable in the AR platform, it is also available in the Winchester XTR and Ruger Ranch and Scout bolt guns. This round in a very light bolt gun would have been pure distilled purple poison on deer in the forested hills of Allamakee County where I hunted whitetails as a young fellow – and unlike the .30-30 I generally used, nowadays the .350 Legend would be legal for such purposes.
There are a host of rounds I haven’t mentioned; the JDJ and Dakota lines, to name a couple. I’ll probably write up something in the future on those two proprietary lines, as the cartridges and the rifles that use them are interesting in their own rights. In the meantime, if you’re looking for a game rifle for stuff bigger than deer, look at the mid-thirties! They’re fun and useful.
Related: “officially” rally ends at 1 but sounds like some groups may be hanging out later.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/01/virginia-gun-rally-time/
What’s the body count up to now?
Well, after the tax cuts, net neutrality, and climate chaos, there was no one left to kill.
Animal – is there any use for the 350 Legend for people who don’t live or plan to hunt in those kinds of jurisdictions you mention?
I think it would still be a pretty good cartridge for deer-sized game inside of a hundred yards, given what I’ve read on it. Fitting in the AR platform would be a bonus for lots of folks.
To be fair, I don’t think Mr. Jones himself had a complete catalog of all his cartridges.
I have a SIG 716 .308. I figure that will be plenty for anything I want or would need to do. If I ever want to get something to go out farther, I’d probably go with a .338 Laupa Magnum.
.458 HAM’R looks kinda fun
My choice for long, flat, and hard-hitting was the .300 Win Mag. Not sure how it compares to Lapua for range and terminal ballistics. That long case full of slow powder sure makes for a (relatively) easy shooting gun that is not picky at all about what I feed it.
In hindsight, a .308 was all I really needed, since I won’t take a shot past 300 – 350 yards.
That was my thought living in Ohio, .308 goes about as far as I could possibly shoot here. And the recoil on the 716 is nothing. Nice to know about the .300 WM recoil and reliability though. Seems like a nice long range option. I’m sure cheaper to shoot then the .338.
Of course there is an internet article about everything:)
https://www.huntinggearguy.com/tips/338-lapua-vs-300-win-mag/
The Lapua is a significant step up. Do people even hunt with that thing in North America? It seems designed for military snipers in the 1000 to 2000 meter range.
I’m guessing it’s mostly used for long distance target shooting. That’s what I would use it for.
Classy. ?
Need a scope for mine. Looking for something in the 2-10x range.
Whats the odds that the blanket narrative from the media concerning VA, as long as violence does not break out, will be “Gun Control Measures Ensure Peaceful Protests”
Needs moar smearing. Like “Despite threats from right wing extemists, Gov Blackface’s common sense measures learned from deadly Charlottesville tragedy prevented open violence”
I am in the process of slowly turning my old 10/22 into a stupidly expensive custom 10/22. I’m going with iron sights for.. reasons. I’ve never shot a rifle with iron sights. I have never shot with both eyes open (one eye is a touch deformed and doesn’t work very well). I’ve never had a rifle that actually fits me (6’3 with very long arms and a lot of distance between my eyes and shoulder pocket).
Anyway, I got the thing zeroed yesterday, but have discovered that I can’t discriminate between a black bullseye and the black front post @ 25 yards in my local indoor range’s lighting. What’s the best fix? I’m considering some sparkley yellow nail polish on the post.
I have the same problem. Perhaps a fiber optic front would work? In my case, I just gave up using irons for target shooting and kept them for practical shooting.
I think I’m going to try the nail polish first. If I can solve the problem without the use of the words “drift” and “dovetail” I think I’m going to go that way.
Yeah, I’ve heard of people using nail polish.
Are you using a six o’clock hold or center hold? I prefer six o’clock when using iron sights because then I make out the difference between the target and the front sight and I can see more of the target. This might mean adjusting your sights so point of impact is above point of aim so you can hit the bulls eye.
6’oclock, assuming I can. I’m a hair from legally blind in one eye, correctable to 20/20 in my ‘good eye’ but I have all kinds of problems with focal plains, depth perception, etc.
The benefit of a center hold is that, it doesn’t matter how blurry a circle is, you can always identify where the center is. “Stick the top of the post in the center of the blob” is something I know I can do, if I can tell where the top of the post is.
Speaking of sights, I finally found a set of irons I want to put on my PCC… and they cost more than a good optic would. FML.
Although, it looks like you can buy a notched insert for pretty cheap. Has anyone ever taken apart and reassembled a rear A2 sight before?
I’ve never messed with mine.
The sights for my 10/22 were $70. What are you looking for? Magpul’s plastic sights are supposed to be pretty good (never used them personally).
Something like this:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003413275
That lets me acquire a target quickly but still makes a tight enough sight picture that I can hit things measured in inches, not feet.
Thanks for this series Animal! I have all of these bookmarked.
Virginia Lobby Day Rally Finishes Up Without Issue
As noted earlier, our own Cam Edwards was there. Serving as one of the speakers for the rally, he gave me a call when he finished up to give me his impressions of the event.
“I think that the important takeaway here is that we really did see an incredible turnout on the part of Virginians,” he said via a phone call earlier today. “I have no idea how many people are here but the entire downtown area is just full of second amen supporters. and, you know, people have smiles on their faces and determination and resolve.”
Of course, the focus of much of the media has been the defiance, and that’s not without a slight bit of legitimacy. As Cam noted, “I have seen a few we shall not comply signs, these are folks who are trying to send a message to the lawmakers in Richmond that Northam’s gun control agenda is the wrong move. I just hope that lawmakers listen to the voices of this incredible movement.”
I don’t expect them to. The bills, even the
assaultmodern firearm ban, will pass.And these assholes can fuck all the way off.
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence✔
@CSGV
Important to remember that many of those attending today’s #Richmond2ARally are out of state.
Those who are from Virginia showed up and voted last November— THEY LOST OVERWHELMINGLY.
The majority of Virginians want stronger gun laws. #IStandWithVirginia #GunLawsSaveLives
Even if that was true, just because people want something does not mean that it is constitutionally permissible.
TW: ramble
Some days I think “Oh, we’re Americans. The rednecks will never allow us to go without arms.”
And then I think, “There aren’t enough rednecks to keep it from happening.”
Civil war? Do we have the stomach for that?
Underground arms dealing (like we already have)? The law-abiding finally decide with a collective consciousness that the laws are immoral and flout them? Cops and military all too willing to do tyrants’ bidding? People will die over this. Maybe many people.
The blue is spreading across the nation like the disease it is. They escape one hellhole because it’s a hellhole and then create the same hellhole wherever they light and wonder why those stupid rednecks can’t get with the woke program.
They have no idea how much resentment they’re fomenting (and over stupid shit, no less) and how badly it will backfire.
But … will it backfire? How many elections will it take before the red voters just can’t outvote the fraud and corruption? And even if there were none, how many elections would it take to outvote the newly woke
Or will it cycle back until the younguns who are resentful will finally figure it out and behave so as to right the ship (e.g., realize capitalism is where it’s at and WHY)?
My mind keeps coming back to the rooftop Koreans during the LA riots. How many rooftoppers will there be to fend off the tacticool cops and military marching on orders to quell the unrest and shoot to kill? See: Boston bombers and house-to-house searches and “sheltering in place”? People bug out so they will not be trapped. Sitting ducks.
If it makes you feel better at all, here in Ohio the cities are the ones outnumbered by the rural areas. This means (at least up here in the CLE) we keep getting the local lefty rags ranting about how unfair it is that the state can override the wishes of the much wiser cities/counties (gun bans, plastic bag bans, tobacco age, etc).
Well if they think the drug gangs are violent, wait until they see the arms gangs. Although I do look forward to being able to buy this!
https://www.milkorusa.com/product/m32a1-usmc-40mm-v-02/
Yes, please!
To be honest, gun laws haven’t been gaining ground overall. Much to my surprise. If anything, they’ve been losing ground over my lifetime.
Virginia has a History of taking peoples rights because the majority of the voting populace wanted it…
THEY LOST OVERWHELMINGLY
Democracy!!! but remember this only works when I win.
Not being from there, all I can ask is did they run on 2A gun control?
Or was it a case where they ran on other issues (OrangeManBad)? And now that they are in power, they radically changed their legislative goals?
I always like to throw it back in their face and ask, “So if a majority of Alabamans wanted gay marriage banned, you’d have to support that, right? Since the majority wants it?”
THAT’S DIFFERENT!
Several states had constitutional bans on gay marriage, and that was overrided by reading a new right into the federal constitution, but on something that is explicit in the federal constitution, no that can never override the state laws.
I’ve had people say “You would oppose that even if democracy said that we should have those gun laws”. I usually don’t get into it with them cause i don’t think they will grok the concept of absolute individual rights.
Guess I’ll just have to murder people with bombs and drones like my government betters do.
The Europeans say knives are where it’s at.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ilford-triple-stabbing-seven-kings-murder-arrest-victim-london-police-a9291501.html
Europeans are known for their hand-crafted quality but also their inefficiency.
Thanks Animal!
What happens when your barrel is shot out? It’s a problem I’ll never have, but I am curious.
Thanks again, Animal. I’ve really enjoyed these!
Shoot moar.
What happens when your barrel is shot out?
Man, these euphemisms.
Typically the bullets won’t stabilize and will start to tumble. Shows up as “keyholes” in targets.
*sensible chuckle*
Pretty much
LOOK THERE WAS A STATE OF EMERGENCY!!!!
Seriously, Chris Christie get’s raked over the coals for saying “Fuck those guys” over a bridge, but Gov Blackface get’s a pass at invoking emergency powers to suppress opposition to his legislative plans?
Wonder if they’re using face recognition software to create a list.
I was wondering that too.
Using facial recognition software would be extra ironic given Gov. Blackface’s previous attempts to foil such technology.
Media did the same bullshit here. Attacked a R lawmaker for saying that if the state police come after him, they should send unmarried troopers [because he would use force to resist their use of force]. This was smeared as a threat of violence. But not the D state lawmakers calling for the state police to forcibly arrest R lawmakers in the first place to get their quorum to ram through legislation.
Did the R’s flee the state to stop the quorum?
It didn’t get to that point. They just weren’t coming to the legislature.
In the end they made a bargain to shitcan some of the worst and extraneous stuff and allowed the D’s to ram through their tax increases and such on a party line vote.
@MikeS If you don’t think I have a right to sneer at Joe Montana, here we go: https://twitter.com/JoeMontana/status/1219105514337910784?s=19
Fuck the 49rs i hope the Chiefs embarrass them.
Joe Montana is the worst Montana
He’s the Nick Gillespie of Montanas?
Joe, MT
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/20798
Chris Navalta
@ChrisNavalta
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You can get your congrats from Alex Smith
or Steve Bono
or Elvis Grbac
or Steve DeBerg
And let’s ignore his pinned tweet.
I didn’t ignore it. It’s from the 2nd.
Here’s the thing. You think I ought to be grateful and you are giving me reasons why I should and I’m just not. Nothing is going to change thay.
Haha. It’s the 4th newest tweet he’s made. He obviously doesn’t spend a lot of time on it. And he called KC one of this 2 favorite teams.
The butt-hurt from people who never even wanted him on their team is a bit confusing.
I apologize. It’s a stupid thing to get worked up over and it was 20 years ago. I think I’m looking for tiny things to get worked up over so I don’t have to dig around to figure out what I’m really pissed off about in my real life.
It’s all good, Mo’. I’m sorry if I minimized your feelings about it.
Let’s forget about football and listen to some tunes.
White-supremacists…
“Actually,” the unidentified man in the video continued, “black Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, Americans in general care about the Second Amendment. I work at a gun store part-time and I can’t tell you the number of customers I see of all races, all colors, all creeds who care about the Second Amendment and who just want to peaceably live their lives, enjoy their rights, and the Second Amendment. That’s why I’m out here.”
…are now available in black.
When a reporter asked him what he thought of the fencing Governor Northam erected to keep the protesters separated he said, “It’s great. What we ought to do is everybody walk up there with master locks and lock that bastard in.”
Heh…
Nice!
I just watched the whole video. That was a really solid answer.
Think that guy will be on Hannity or Tucker tonight?
Maybe. But this guy will be on CNN.
When a man at the pro-Second Amendment rally in Virginia seemingly tried to agitate others into violence, conservative rally attendees shut him down and dismissed him as an “infiltrator.”
“Wanna hop the fence and kill that guy?” a man at the rally said to another attendee talking about “revolution,” video shows.
Pro-Second Amendment advocates quickly jumped in. “He’s starting stuff up,” one man accused. “Why would you say something dumb like that?”
“Are you conservative?” the man seemingly advocating violence was asked. “I’m a libertarian,” he responded.
“I’m a libertarian and that is not how we are!” another rally-goer shouted. “I think what that guy just said was absurd. We don’t believe in going and killing people. This is a peaceful rally.”
The man who asked about killing then seemingly claimed he was trying to expose a pro-Second Amendment rally attendee for promoting violence.
“We know what you’re about,” the attendees told him. “You’re an infiltrator. Get the f*** out.”
““I’m a libertarian and that is not how we are!” another rally-goer shouted”
I dunno, would any true libertarian make such a sweeping generalization?
Ahh but he’s doing it to say someone else is not a libertarian, and that is about the most libertarian thing one can do…
The 2A community really is more diverse than the media would lead us to believe.
My local gun range has a very diverse ethnic makeup, and I’m in southwest Ohio, not exactly the most diverse place in the country. The average sampling of people at the gun range is actually more diverse than the general region.
Leap, re: the previous thread:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bowling+Green,+KY/@36.9332255,-86.4242309,18z/data=!4
When I moved to BG in 2014, the Marathon in the middle existed. A few years ago, at about the same time, the AM Express and the Shell opened on either side. If you switch to satellite, it was taken before the Shell finished construction.
AFAIK, they are all 3 still operating. There was a brief price war right after the AM Express opened, but quickly reached an equilibrium. Nothing much changed when the Shell opened (other than I started using it).
The real world answer is that the Beach scenario is too simplistic. People will drive 3 extra feet for their preference (however silly it is).
Have a meeting at 3, that I am only tangentially involved in, so may have my simulation finished by end of day.
Think I’m going to brown up some hot turkey sausage for some chili. Brunch was fried potatoes, onions, and chopped up leftover pork chop, with some country gravy on top.
To be brunch it needs one of the following:
-eggs
-melon
-mimosas
-bloody marys
/throws flag
Beer is an acceptable substitute for mimosas or bloody marys. Specifically coffee stouts.
You could always make a Beermosa.
With beer it’s either breakfast or lunch.
Cheladas mean you don’t have to choose between a beer and a bloody mary.
But it means needing to drink tomato juice.
I am… not a fan.
On MLK day no less!
The guy who built my home wants to bring some other customers to see it he and asked what kinds of beverages I liked.
Now I’m wondering if in a few years the question would be what I like to smoke.
I did that for my builder and all I got was a Thank You.
I was screwed.
I think ours is the smallest/cheapest house our builder did, at least in the last 20 years. Of the other houses he built that I have some knowledge of, they are all bigger and fancier.
There is no substitute for having the guys who built your house come out and do whatever work needs to be done on it, though.
I know for a fact that mine is like that. It’s actually the prototype for his sub-2000 square feet lineup so he doesn’t (yet) have a lot of choices to show off.
My builder was moving in the other direction.
This is one of his houses.
You could buy a condo the size of that garage for the same money around here.
$300 per sq ft? Ugh.
Once you back out some of the fancy stuff, its worth every nickel. His stuff is really well built.
I guarantee that, err, suboptimal countertop was picked out by the homeowner.
check out his artistically rusted Dodge:
http://mcpaddenbuilders.com/about/
I thought Saguaros were protected somehow.
You can’t kill, deface (yes, its a thing), or move wild ones, I don’t think. You can certainly plant new ones or move ones that have been landscape plants all along. We’ve got around a dozen on our property that predate the development of our area; not sure if I could move or remove any of those.
Did he ask a second time?
Two cool and forgotten stories of Virginians protecting their liberties with firearms.
Ethical tech
“Techlash,” the rising public animosity toward big tech companies and their impacts on society, will continue to define the state of the tech world in 2020. Government leaders, historically the stewards of protecting society from the impacts of new innovations, are becoming exasperated at the inability of traditional policymaking to keep up with the unprecedented speed and scale of technological change. In that governance vacuum, corporate leaders are recognizing a growing crisis of trust with the public. Rising consumer demands and employee activism require more aggressive self-regulation.
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…companies like Microsoft are now finding success with training “ambassadors” or “champions” embedded in teams—usually a role they play in addition to their regular jobs—to bring their teams heightened sensitivity toward unintended impacts, as well as to help their teams navigate raising flags and escalating concerns. Empowering people within teams ensures that they have the contextual intelligence as well as pre-existing credibility needed to be trusted and effective.
Focus? Productivity? Who cares about that?
Just make sure your technology can’t be hi8jacked by white supremacists. Or capitalists.
I can hardly wait until they manage to ram enough legislation through for data privacy to the point where service providers can’t make enough money selling data and have to charge for email accounts and other services.
The squealing about having to pay Google for email or document storage will be loud and constant.
I should also point out that in my previous life working to add IoT solutions inside fast food joints, the back lash against “Big Brother” can sometimes be silly and understandable at the same time.
We created a solution where we put sensors on the fryers and could tell when the oil was filtered or not. It was supposed to be filtered every shift. With our solution it became apparent it was getting filtered every 2-3 days at best. The owner took our data and started firing a shit ton of the kids for not doing the filtering. Within a week of the terminations the kids were filtering every single shift.
However, there was all sorts of squealing about how “unfair” it was to be monitored like that. That is what I mean about silly and understandable. It is silly because they had been told for a long time that it was a requirement that they filter. However they had never done it because it took time and was a drag. So they thought it was an unalienable right to skip filtering. It is understandable to be freaked out about being monitored all the time though. What is next? And are they currently collecting data that will be used against you in the future?
Yeah, imagine if your boss tracked how much time you spent on glibs.
This comes up indirectly at work a lot. We’re all salaried and we’re lobbying for more remote days. Our boss pushes back because he’s concerned we’ll just spend the time goofing off or running errands or whatever. Here’s the thing: we absolutely would, because we generally have jack shit to do. Generally, our perspective is that we’re being paid a salary to produce a certain amount and quality of work, not to be in a place for a certain amount of time. IOW, we’re not being paid for our time, we’re being paid for our expertise and the quality of our work. We’re not selling web pages from a kiosk in the mall.
I have the luxury of bidding by the job now, but when I was a temp, I would get hired specifically to occupy a chair until they could hire someone. I don’t know why that was even necessary. The catch was–I couldn’t read. I couldn’t go out on the internet (at Hallmark, they only had the intranet). If I were typing (that is, writing stories), someone would ask me what I was working on. I had one where I was supposed to do…something? I don’t really know what. The dude I worked for was always gone (he was a lobbyist for Ford). I cross stitched. That’s what I did. I cross stitched. And eventually I either gave them as gifts or sold them on eBay for a tidy sum. But even cross stitching for 8 hours a day gets old. Even the jobs where I had things to do, they were simple tasks I could get done in a few minutes and my supervisors were like, what? You did that already? Me: Um…yeah. How long does it usually take?
Them: So…are you going to go on your break?
Me: Break from what? I’m not doing anything.
Them: You have to take your breaks. Please go take a break.
I was temping doing data entry. I was at a very low point in my life. I did not want to think. I wanted to do something mindless. I got paid pretty good money to mindlessly plug numbers in all day. I was totally fine with it and it was exactly what I needed at the time. I was there for 3 months or thereabouts when I found out that I was doing twice the number of pages everyone else was.
When I worked graves at the convenience store, nobody cared if I was doing homework as long as the cooler got stocked, the coffee made, and the candy dusted.
Sitting there doing nothing–NOT ALLOWED to do anything–is sheer torture.
IOW, we’re not being paid for our time, we’re being paid for our expertise and the quality of our work.
Yup. Hourly is paid for input, salaried is paid for output.
I came across this lovely thing yesterday.
She sounds super annoying (“I was already way ahead on all my work”), but the cousins are clearly the assholes there, no?
If true, the cousin and her husband are gaping assholes.
I’m guessing she probably said something snooty, and it torqued them off. The cousins’ reaction is not a normal reaction to receiving an expensive quote.
The cousins are the assholes.
“I was already way ahead on my work” is totally irrelevant.
They expected a 24-year-old woman to drop whatever she was doing because they didn’t feel it was important in the least bit to babysit their kid for 8 hours a day for 3 days straight. She didn’t go visiting to babysit at all, much less babysit for cousins.
They got mad when she gave them a cut rate and completely dismissed the value of her time.
If it had been me, I’d have just said, “No, not babysitting. Didn’t come here for that. If this is going to be an issue, I’m outtie.”
I am learning that there are a whole lot of super-entitled people in the world.
That was the correct answer.
Also, she was not the asshole there.
The Cousins are assholes for asking. If it was 1 afternoon it would be on thing, but to ask for the whole day for 3 days during her vacation too….
But she should have just said “You can’t afford me”
Not entirely. You have to consider how annoying someone is being to others to determine who is the asshole. She sound slike a person who would rub others the wrong way.
Yeah, I couldn’t understand how you would ask someone to watch your kids for 3 days, unless you were really close and willing to reciprocate.
I was jokingly thinking of asking my sister to watch my son for the next 3 weeks so I can go on my upcoming vacation in peace. Jokingly being the key there of course.
How about the ethics of government using tech to spy on people?
It’s really boggling that this never enters their mind.
At our family Christmas, we were talking about the sheer variety of products and services that you can get from Amazon now, and someone chimed in, “Yea, all that is great, but I’m just concerned… I mean, how big are we going to let Amazon get? Isn’t there a point where it’s TOO big?”
This same person thinks “limited government” is a stupid Republican idea, i.e. the federal government is never too big; everything they do is wonderful.
I wanted to confront him with this inconsistency, but politics didn’t really come up, and I preferred it that way.
I wanted to confront him with this inconsistency, but politics didn’t really come up, and I preferred it that way.
I have a lot of those moments, where i smile, log it to myself, and move on.
hard ?
Inventory done – 34 out of 168 bottles are “missing – presumed drunk”.
I gotta get better about scanning bottles in after I open them.
I only buy about a case of wine at a time, so I don’t have that much inventory. 🙁
About 300 bottles of good stuff tuck away in the cellar.
Perhaps another 500+ bottles of home brew mead, cider and beer.
A dozen and a half kegs and half-kegs of home brew mead, cider and beer taking up floor space.
Nice! I don’t even have that kind of space.
That doesn’t include the work in progress in the brewing room.
I need to have a party to clear out space in the cellar.
Another great article, Animal. My only disappointment is that there won’t be any more forthcoming. I’ve only seen a 38-55 and 45-70 in the wild, none of the other unusual calibers.
Now I’ll wait for the Allamakee County bios and see you there, figuratively speaking. Really enjoy the stuff you write, very familiar.
Range was packed today for the Glib meet up. Not everybody went down to Richmond, I guess.
Outing myself as atypical, perhaps wildly atypical, around here, I admit I know very nearly nothing about guns. I grew up in a gun-owning, hunting enthusiastic, family, but for a whole lot of reasons never picked up anything.
So, I’m now, finally, interested in learning about guns in terms of mechanics and terminology. No interest in shooting or hunting (physical limitations above and beyond age). I can say “4-10” “22” and “30 ought 6” but I’m damned if I know how to properly ‘say’ the various rounds Animal has laid out for us. Nor do I properly understand what difference most of the distinctions make, let alone how the various distinctions constrain the gun chosen and vice versa.
Can you folks recommend some resources, preferably books?
You are not alone. I grew up staring at a rack of guns and having been taught proper etiquette when I was very young.
Yet…the only purchase I made was stupid for a lot of reasons and then I got rid of it and then found out I would have had to anyway.
I can’t have any in the house for the next few years and at this pount, I doubt I ever will. I am past needing to prove to myself what a kick-ass girl I am.
I am past needing to prove to myself what a kick-ass girl I am.
Never a good reason for buying a gun, anyway. I’m mostly pretty practical in what I buy – hunting or defense, with a bias toward stainless metal bits (including barrels) and plastic furniture. The exception being, perhaps, the M1A.
When somebody starts talking about a caliber I’m unfamiliar with, I actually just pop over to Wikipedia. They do a pretty good job of describing size, velocity, energy, and common uses. They also usually include comparison pictures with a cartridge I am familiar with. You’re in a little tougher position as you don’t have a standard (mine is the .308) to compare to.
That said, go find somebody with a .22 rifle or pistol and have some fun. If you can type, you can shoot a .22.
Well, I can’t really type — this is 1 finger & an iPad ;-\
I’m much more interested in the technology of gunsmithing and the common terminology than I am in shooting.
Also, I never learned how to load a rifle or gun with a magazine.
I grew up learning on this. Now I think my grandpa just had a collection of cheap rifles to go hunting with when food was low.
I’ve got that. Belonged to my FiL. It was 12-year-old’s 22.
It was last used to rid the garden of a couple woodchucks. Bastards would wait until the day before the lettuce gets picked and decimate the whole patch
I wanted to keep that gun, but after my dad died, my mom had some work done on the house so she could sell it. (The guns were all in a beautiful gun case too.) The guy who did the work wanted the guns and took them as payment for the work, except for the .410 shotgun I’ve carried on about in the past, which was ALSO apparently a kid’s gun.
So my grandfather grew up in the Missouri Ozarks with a single mother out in the back of beyond. He had many brothers. His father was an adventurer from Belgium who went to France to avoid the draft. He apparently sailed on a Chinese junk for a while. I don’t know how he landed in the Ozarks, but he was 42 when he married my 16yo great grandmother. And then he would take himself off for a while in time to come back to get the next kid on her.
They were all too young for WWI, and most of them were too old for WWII (not my grandpa–he went).
Anyway, she let the boys run wild and they did. I don’t blame her. What was she supposed to do? Mother Nature was her babysitter. I gather that they hunted and fished for her, so it would make sense they would have cheap guns to hunt with.
Somehow they ended up in SE Kansas. I don’t know how that happened. And then Kansas City.
And I didn’t get to keep the .22.
Gun Digest
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1946267821/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_zyGjEbJHNCBGV
Or Shooters Bible
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1510748121/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_TAGjEbGTRW21D
Thank you! Those look likely to take me a long way.
I’ll report back after they arrive.
Shirley, I’d suggest Jack O’Connor’s “The Book of Rifles” or “The Rifle”, can’t remember the exact title. I had it years ago, just got a copy for my grand daughter who is just learning to shoot/hunt.
I too am a slow typist and somewhat older than you. I only hunt deer anymore, mainly because there are no birds or bunnies in this area. I don’t shoot as much as I used to, ’cause it isn’t as much fun as when my brothers were around. That’s not to say it isn’t still fun though.
Check your local library, I’m guessing they have gun books. In all likelihood you have closet friends with guns that would be happy to have you around when they are showing/shooting/cleaning their equipment.
Thanks!
Sadly, I don’t have any gun-owning friends in the area. Old retired introverts, go figure.
I go back and forth between my tremors and my vision as the main reason I don’t shoot. Or it could be that I don’t dare acquire another expensive hobby 😉
I want to know the terminology, the meaning of various things. That’s pretty much how I spend my time, learning stuff.
You and AlmightyJB have given me a good set to start from. It’s much appreciated.
So what’s the consensus on the Concern Trolls and fears over todays march and how it shouldn’t be done cause it will just be used to slander the movement? Really, with the benefit of Hindsight, it sounds a lot more like fifth column bullshit and cowardice.
I’ve recently come into possession of quite a few “antique” rifles in 30 something cal. I didn’t plan on becoming a collector, but my FIL died suddenly last week.
. I’m doing my best to support my wife and MIL. It’s been a shitty Christmas and New Years in the Time house. My MIL wants his stuff out of the house as soon as possible. The guns were always going to be mine some day, but I didn’t want them so soon. I really loved the SOB.
I don’t have any knowledge on what is worth money and what is just a100$ gun that will clog up my house.
Any help from the Glibs on what to make sure not to let go would be appreciated. I will hold on to some regardless of value, but there are some that are redundant to me and have little sentimental value.
I’m sorry, Time.
Thanks mo.
Not an expert by any means, but a lot of value in guns depends on rarity and condition. Its such a huge and technical market, though.
Yea, there is quite a lot of variables that I’m not that familiar with. I’m more knowledgeable about pistols.
Here is the list.
Win 94 30-30
Savage .300
Kodiak 30-06.
Remington pump .35
Marlin 1893 .38-55 likely late 19th century with smokeless powder stamped on it.
Most of these are his father’s so they are over 60 years old.
I’m looking to keep the somewhat unique stuff that I can still shoot or that might be somewhat valuable. The win 30-30 is nothin special to me.
If the Win ’94 is made pre-1964 and it’s in good condition it’s worth some money.
500-700 on GunBroker. Which seems about right.
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=winchester+94+30+30+pre+64
That Marlin is worth looking further into as well.
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=marlin+38+55
I know that one was valuable due to the age alone, thanks.
The antique firearms market is big and there’s a lot of money in it. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to talk to an appraiser. From there, you could decide what you want keep, what you want to sell as-is, and what you want to fix up for later sale.
It’s a 1951 vintage. Thanks all.
If the Remington pump is a model 141, they are unusual, though not rare, in 35 cal. I have my dad’s 30 Remington. Cold dead hands are gonna hold that thing ’til the last one way ride.
Savor the memories, keep the guns.
Keep an eye on Gunbroker and completed auctions to get an idea what they are worth.
Sorry about your father-in-law.
I hear taking your guns for boat rides is a good pastime.
Last nights performance by Green Bay was terrible, so I really don’t want to talk about it other than this. More so than before another season without a Super Bowl appearance bothers me, and not just in a usual fan way. Rogers is the same age as me and as he inches closer to the end of his glory days the same feeling of impending irrelevance washes over me. I know it’s stupid, but it’s Teh Feelz. Oh well, back to work. Beer will always come when day ends.
Dude, I am right there with you.
Won’t be long before there aren’t any professional athletes your age, so you have that to look forward to.
My benchmark was . . . Michael Jordan. We were born less than a year apart.
First benchmark: realizing the women in Playboy were all younger than me.
Second benchmark: realizing that pro athletes were all younger than me.
Not sure what the third benchmark will be – probably when most politicians are younger than me.
Doctors.
A doctor that is young enough to be your kid.
*looks at current class of residents*
Yeah, got that one covered, too.
Shock number 1: The doctor is younger than you. (a long time ago)
Shock number 2: The doctor is younger than your kid. (my wife’s surgeon on her ankle this year)
Shock number 3: The doctor is younger than your grandkid. (grandson turned 22 this year, so maybe 4 years from now)
*acknowledging that fourscore thinks I’m still a whippersnapper.
Shock number four: When you hear your kids start talking about SS. Hasn’t happened yet but won’t be too long.
I’ve already chatted with my father about when I might retire. He’s 83 and formally retired, but keeps his business running half-time.
I plan to keep working for 7 more years before collecting SS. Then, I’ll probably switch to contract work.
I wanted to retire as soon as I could, I left at 55. I’m glad I did, was still able to do things physically. Turned done jobs, helped a couple friends a little, not for the money but because I was available on short notice for short jobs.
First benchmark: all the girls on pornhub were younger than me
Second benchmark: realizing I was old enough to be the father of the new girls on pornhub
The last one that bit me was going on college campus tours with my kids. On one tour, I realized I was some old geezer who all the students were probably looking at condescendingly. WTF? I got game! I bet I could have picked up at least 10 coeds if I wasn’t married!
As a Sugar Daddy?
Wait. Was that not OK?
I didn’t say it wasn’t O.K. That’s the only way I could get a co-ed at this point in life myself.
Follow the Benjamins, follow the Benjamins.
Your boss.
When Q’s Cuties fail to stir the little guy?
For me the 1st stage of getting old was hearing my favorite songs from high school on the oldies station.
The second stage was hearing my favorite songs from college on the oldies station.
The third stage was realizing I’ve been working at my company longer than some of my co-workers have been alive.
I was born in ’87, and I know I’m on the younger end of the Glibs age spectrum… But I felt old when I noticed that shows I used to watch (Fresh Prince, etc.) are now on Nick at Nite and TV Land.
Also when I referenced Doogie Howser and some girl at work had never heard of it.
I’m 4 years younger than you, and have almost always been the youngest in any group (work, church, etc). But there was one Job where i worked with a guy who was 6 years younger than me and he would make me feel like my Pop-culture references were dated.
Kid didn’t even know GI Joe’s “And Knowing is Half the battle”
Porkchop sandwiches!
(language NSFW)
Haha oh my god, I remember those… I almost fucking died laughing at this one.
All of you, get the fuck off my lawn!
You are one of the ones I’m talking about. I started working at my company in 1986.
Packers 2: Lindy Infante Bugaloo
I think you are going to be in for a walk through the wilderness for a while. You will realize why the Vikes are always recycling QB retreads. Top level QB’s are rare as shit and you had two who rarely missed games. You are spoiled.
*looks back over recent Cowboys history*
Yup.
As a Pats fan, I’ve been mentally preparing for the impending wilderness for a bit. Possibly (probably?) after Brady, definitely whenever Belichick packs it in.
Majic Man 2.0!
Majic Man 2.0 wouldn’t be so bad. What you need to avoid is Mandarich 2.0
(Troy Aikman was the #1 pick)
I was just going by QB, Mandarich was OL. I don’t even remember the last really good first round pick GB had. Maybe Matthews and Raji, but their success was pretty short. Before Rogers the last really good first rounder was Sterling Sharpe.
You still have a ways to go before you are irrelevant,
think of it like, no one bugs you anymore…..
In that case, I’ve been irrelevant for a long, long time. No one wants to waste their time trying to piss me off.
I think Brady’s the only QB older than me now, and by just about one year on the nose. I feel your pain. One of my “old” moments was when I passed the age any military branch would accept me as a recruit.
You can always hang your hat on having the only homosexual Super Bowl winning QB.
Luckily, you don’t rely on your physical prowess. Usually the best years of a person’s life are from ~55-100. If their health keeps up, so there is no reason to be sad about being old. I think its great, so much more controlled and less emotional/hormonal. I control my destiny much more now than when I was 20. Richer, smarter. Wiser.
I don’t have any knowledge on what is worth money and what is just a100$ gun that will clog up my house.
Any help from the Glibs on what to make sure not to let go would be appreciated.
Look them up on gunbroker for a first pass value.
Will do. Thanks for the advice.
I might be interested in that 30-30 if it’s a pre-64 and in good condition.
It’s a 1951 vintage. I’ll check it out later in the week. I’ll keep you in mind.
Thanks.
A nice write up of the Rally today, more people outside the fence with guns than in the Gunfree zone, I love it,,,
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/01/20/gun-rights-rally-virginia/
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the Chinese lady’s sign,
“Do I look White to you?”
Yes, you are the wypipo of Asians, now shut up, deplorable, and get in the back of the bus, right after you turn in those dangerous weapons of war.
Such troll. Much droll.
That got a legit belly laugh.
As dark and as sad it is, I’m willing to bet my house that there’s a significant number of anti-gun people who are disappointed that nobody was shot at the rally.
Way more than significant.
“there’s a significant number of anti-gun people who are disappointed that nobody was shot at the rally.”
Pretty much all of them. CNN and MSNBC are probably having a cry-in right now.
More pictures of people carrying rifles at the #VirginiaRally and more evidence that debunks the narrative that the rally is filled with racists and white supremacists.
Diversity!
Also, it is kinda neat seeing what is passably a gradeschool teacher or something similar packing so much heat.
There’s a recall Governor Ralph Northam petition effort at the rally.
Of all the nicknames, I think ‘Radical Ralph’ works well.
Ralphie, you’ll shoot your eye out!
So what is the rationale for bans on deer hunting with rifles in states that have them? I don’t hunt and it came as a complete surprise to me that you couldn’t hunt deer with a rifle in Maryland, and that this wasn’t the only state with that law. I mean, deer aren’t exactly an endangered species in North America.
Excessive range?
^this.
I now don’t think that is the real reason, but that is the given reason.
Minnesoda’s DNR says it is for safety. The south half of the state is shotgun/slugs only, while in the north half you can use rifles. Sounds like BS to me.
I hunted in a shotgun-only area in southern Wisconsin. The rationale, which I agreed with, was that the area was too populated for rifles – it was dairy country, and there were a fair number of houses and valuable live stock around everywhere. Rifle rounds carry a loooong way. Shotgun slugs hit the dirt in a few hundred yards. Much safer to allow only shotguns in that kind of country.
I hunt in a place where there are no people or houses for miles yet I always make sure my bullets hit dirt where I can see it. Even then if there is an errant round it will go into a stand of trees. I dont get the shotgun-only laws. I can control where one bullet goes better than I can nine or a dozen.
00 buckshot carries enough energy at 500 yards to kill a person, a rifled slug twice or three times that far.
Best bet: Dont shoot anything into the sky.
They seem like silly laws to me.
The simple answer is the land is too flat, no backdrop for the bullets. Indiana essentially have up on this due to rifled slug barrels in creasing range and more education about fun safety from the folks who do hunt. Anyone born after 1985?ish has to take the hunter education course, which heavily emphasizes knowing where your bullet ends up
“The simple answer is the land is too flat”
Wait, I must be confused, are we comparing the land in Indiana and Maryland and saying the land in Maryland is too flat?
I think its too populated, not too flat. At least, that was the reason in southern WI, and like I said, I agreed with it.
We had rolling hills, not a lot of super long sight lines. But when there’s a house every few hundred yards or so, l think shotgun only is reasonable. I’m not saying its justified everywhere its done, but there are places where it makes sense.
Well, if you’re anywhere close to Balmer or that stretch of highway from PS down to DC, yeah, your chance of hitting a new town home development is pretty high. But about 50 miles West of Balmer, your chance of hitting anything human is about in many millions, you know, because there aren’t any people or even houses.
Somehow Philly came out as PS. No idea…
Can’t in Ohio either. Your just not going to find wide open spaces like there is out west.
That is not what it looked like when I drove through. Unless massive fields don’t count.
Doesn’t PA allow rifle hunting?
Yes they do. There are expectations in the southern counties with no mountains.
Exceptions in some counties in the south that require shotgun only.
Most of those massive fields have farmhouses on them.
A bit of a nuisance around here…
“I mean, deer aren’t exactly an endangered species in North America.”
They make sure your landscaping and garden are endangered.
RIP my garden, though I think it is more the rabbits and voles than the deer.
Media Offers Thoughts And Prayers That Someone Would Start Some Violence At Gun Rights Rally
The only way to achieve real socialism is through violence. All of the dem candidates are tossing out trial policies that can only be achieved through violence. This isn’t Europe, no matter how much they wish it is. You can’t take half a person’s stuff in a country like this unless you have a gun to their head and the best way to make sure that works is to take away people’s means of self defense. That is exactly what they are trying to do. Once they have that, they’ll also take away people’s right to complain about it (free speech) and then they’ll just take how ever much of your stuff they decide to and there will be nothing anyone can do.
Fucking windows 10.
I let my other computer run an “upgrade” and i’m already sorry, just looking at the new features! screen.
Windows 10 is fine. I mean, as a PC person, what are you going to do? Linux? Pass.
I use Linux for personal and i really don’t miss windows.
There are some really nice linux distros I’ve used which were indistinguishable from a windows interface, but without all the bullshit.
Just try turning that bitch Cortana off.
“Just try turning that bitch Cortana off.”
Who’s Alexa supposed to talk to when you aren’t home?
I was able to turn Cortana off during my latest W10 setup, I was ;like, WUH?
very cool
That’s what she want’s you to think…..
She’ll definitely talk to Alexa when he’s not at home.
No, I can find Processes and Services, She’s not there,
Dude, she’s hiding out behind your C drive. She’ll come out at night and when you’re gone.
I used to use Windows at home and some flavor of Unix at work. Around 2000 or so I went to Linux at home on a multi-boot system. Eventually I dropped Windows except as a VirtualBox VM for tax software and picture processing software.
I mean, as a PC person, what are you going to do? Linux? Pass.
I have linux on the laptop I’m on right now. I have been using it for years. I like it just fine. The other computer has a specific duty (investment software) which requires a “legitimate” operating system.
I always took you for a 78 year old man who knew just enough to log onto this internet thing and post here.
He has to get his grandson to “turn on the internet” though.
I always took you for a 78 year old man who knew just enough to log onto this internet thing and post here.
I’m not THAT old.
OK, 79.
I’ve been meaning to ask:
Which one of you writes SMBC?
Perfect. Windows resized itself so it’s hanging off the edges of my monitor.
Just turn your monitor upside down and it will fall out, then you can install the Linux.
I used to work for mfg company where I started out as computer tech guy. I was on the floor and a lady had a dead monitor. I told her I had to get her a new monitor and when I started taking the old one, she said ‘Be careful with that, don’t lose my data!’. I said ‘Don’t worry, as long as I don’t drop it, it can’t fall out’. She looked very concerned.
working tech support had a lot of good stories. I really like this guys
This was 90% of working tech support back in the day.
Personally I never understood the bizarre law regarding guns allowable for deer hunting in mid-west states. What the hell is that all about?
Louisiana – basically anything more powerful than 22lr is legal. Maybe some of the low range 22 centerfires are not allowable…22 hornet, 218 bee…etc…but essentially everything else is legal. I am not sure what the point is anyway, hunters tend to prefer adequate firepower.
For many years, though legal, hunting with rifles was frowned upon because of the large numbers of returning vets that had had bad experiences with rifles and had the silly notion that errant rifle bullets never stopped and magically sought out people to strike down. Hey, that time you were on the battle field and a bullet found your buddy even though you never saw the shooter or heard the shot? That wasn’t an accident. That doesn’t happen on your deer lease.
Seriously, what’s with the no rifle laws in some states?
Not a hunter myself, but every hunter I’ve known primarily used rifles for big game.