okay, I guess.
The recent discussions of an expanded West Virginia or Greater Idaho led me to a thought on how this should be handled.
First, Congress isn’t going to approve an expansion of the number of states. Whatever balance the Senate might have would be upset by new states, so the idea of splitting California will not happen.
On the other hand, while moving parts of states around might upset the Electoral College and reduce (increase) certain states’ power, if it was across the board changes instead of isolated, it might be approved.
On the gripping hand, chaos is fun! So lets talk about an idea I had.
Congress (along with the states in question) have to approve any changes to state boundaries. If we can get all 51 entities on board, they could preemptively approve changes under the following procedure (or we pass an amendment to make this happen and only need 34 states on board). Every 4 years, a state may offer contiguous* counties from another state a chance to leave their state and join yours. If the population of the county(or Parish in LA) votes Yes on presidential election day, then they join their new state the next July 4th. And with the expanded border, there are new counties to potentially invite.
Another way would be to invite more counties than that, but you can only accept the ones who vote to move and meet the contiguity rules. Otherwise, it could take a long time for Greater Idaho to get to northern California.
Thoughts? Any idea what the new borders would look like? Odds of an obnoxious county hopping back and forth every 4 years?
*it also cannot create a discontiguity in the other state.
Anything that gets NoVa the fuck outta Virginia is A-OK by me.
The west coast is hung.
Like a horse!
Florida is Jesus’ dong.
California is USC’s dong.
“Handle with kid gloves”?
That’s Penn State
+1 pedophilic old goat
We could split California into two states and the southern 2/3 gets relegated to Mexico.
I know people joke about this, with all the Mexicans running around LA, but has anybody considered whether or not Mexico would actually want that part of California back?
San Diego? LA?
You bet. The opportunities for graft and corruption for Mexican officials would be too juicy to pass up.
Would San Francisco be in Greater Baja, or Rump California?
I kind of doubt that given the “Mexicans” in those cities now were part of an undesirable underclass the Mexican government was happy to be rid of. Then there’s the other 40-50% of the population of those cities that aren’t “Mexicans” either that would likely create civil and cultural strife the other way.
Its been argued here enough times the issues in Mexico are rooted in a poorly structured culture, if its so different from American culture they aren’t going to take in some 10-15 million outsiders to exacerbate those problems.
They aren’t nearly that stupid.
Bro do you even know how to plunder a tax base?
And the drug Cartels would be lined up in TJ waiting to march north.
And the drug Cartels would be lined up in TJ waiting to march north.
…they already operate here.
They aren’t nearly that stupid.
Wouldn’t be the first time greed has overwhelmed common sense.
Poorly structured culture sounds pretty much like the southern 2/3 of California. I don’t foresee any cultural clash whatsoever. California wants more socialism so let’s give them what they want.
Of course they would. Lots of rich, socialist celebrities to exploit. Some of the Mexicans that fled Mexico might have to flee again
Seems reasonable
I don’t see why PA was excluded from Jesusland.
Because not even Jesus likes PA
If JC is forgiving enough to let Florida in, we should be fine. We’ll even leave philly behind with Jersey and nuke Harrisburg for good measure.
I have it on good authority that we are well known to bitterly cling to our guns and religion.
Delmarva too 🙁
Because it didn’t vote for G. W. Bush. That’s where the map came from, people who wanted to move to Canada after 2000 but not really.
*2004
That’s the 2004 election map, not 2000. My bad.
But what happens when a state gets entirely subsumed? We need a mechanism that allows for new states to be spawned as well.
Obs: More of Canada would be in Jesusland.
In this plan, could a contiguous set of counties internal to an opposing political division declare itself independent. or are you only allowing for joining an existing and joining politic?
You could draw a straight line 100 miles across the existing border and have the Hegemony of Fart Sniffers with a break extending from Alberta to the Ontario border. Most of us would gladly join your disfunctional union except for those stinky Maritimers. They don’t count.
North, I meant.
What if I want to live in Jesusland? *shuts up and eats gruel ration*
Tortillas for everyone!
Well now I just feel bad and want tortillas.
I would not be opposed to extending the concept to Canadian provinces. And even some of the Mexican states as well, but not any of the ones ruled by commies or cartels.
Awwww
It isn’t the state that’s the problem, its the government of the state. Why would counties be any different?
Screw contiguity, embrace the border gore. Also, it should be 2/3rds vote on the part of each county to move, and the state they want to move to has to approve by a similar 2/3rds. The state they want to leave does not get a say.
Your gib? the cut is appreciated.
Article 4 Section 3:
New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.
You have to have an Amendment to accomplish your goal.
True, but since it said this in the article:
I was taking that as assumed.
Also, now I’m curious how West Virginia happened. Like, is the state unconstitutional? Or did the reconstruction era Virginia accept the secession? I could look it up, but I’m lazy since it’s Friday and almost lunch time.
I too will be lazy and assume it was the result of special War Powers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_v._West_Virginia
Like many things about the Civil War, the constituionality of it all seems a bit suspect. Essentailly the west Virginians declared themselves the True Government of Virgina and voted to allow themselves to secede from Virginia. This was, at least partialy, upheld by the SCOTUS case linked above.
And in another case: The Supreme Court had held in Luther v. Borden, “Under this article of the Constitution it rests with Congress to decide what government is the established one in a State.”
Which is a big Fuck You to state sovereignty and the sovereignty of the people. The states should never have agreed to enter a compact that lets the Fed Gov be the sole arbiter of the compact.
Thanks for the info. That’s an…interesting…work around. Since the Constitution is silent on how to determine what is the legitimate government of the state, and the one self-proclaimed legitimate government claimed to be in the Union while the other seceded from it, I can see how they could wriggle around things on a technicality. Still seems not quite kosher, but oh well, all’s fair in love and war I guess.
The FYTW Rule? I’m pretty sure it was already in place.
It’s interesting that the Framers of the Constitution made that rule. I can see why, but interesting, seeing as really, if someone want’s to leave, what right do the other members of the sate have to keep them there.
Makes you wonder what the world would be like if Jefferson had been at the convention rather than in France.
The States formed the Inion. The States were sovereign. Sovereignty includes the right to maintain territorial integrity.
Union
The States were sovereign.
The past tense is, indeed, correct.
I get that aspect of it, but the constitutions of the states, and the states themselves are only formed by the people of the states. If a portion of the people desire to leave, then the true sovereigns of the state are speaking.
Pennsylvania Constitution, article 1 section 2.
That doesn’t permit a minority of those people to seize the assets from the majority.
No, and it wasn’t intended to illustrate that. It was a response to leon’s assertion that the people are the ultimate source of sovereignty. The framers of Pennsylvania’s constitution would have agreed.
All political power is inherent in the people; and all free governments are founded on their authority for their equal protection and benefit, and they have the right to alter or reform their government as the public welfare may require.
Utah Constitution, article 1 Section 2 a well
I agree with that part. I just dispute the idea that we woud be better off further devaluing the States. Every step along that road so far has ended up concentrating power in the Feds rather than returning it to the people.
To be clear I’m responding to “if someone want’s to leave, what right do the other members of the sate have to keep them there.”
You are free to walk, but taking the stuff you do not own with you is a problem.
If a county secedes, what assets are being seized from the state?
State parks, offices, and roads is about all I can come up with. Not nothing, but probably manageable. The new state would likely have to pay (what a shitshow that “eminent domain” process would be), which might be a reason to decline to accept the county.
You are free to walk, but taking the stuff you do not own with you is a problem.
“Illinois. Love it or leave it.”
“OK.”
I just dispute the idea that we woud be better off further devaluing the States
I agree with that Jarflax. I was only making a quibble that if people were sovereign they should be able to vote to separate without having it be automatically vetoed by the Majority of the population outside their area.
RE Constitions. Utah Constition Article 1 Section 3:
The State of Utah is an inseparable part of the Federal Union and the Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land.
Well balls
I just dispute the idea that we would be better off further devaluing the States.
Having the states compete for territory might be one way to revitalize them.
If a county secedes, what assets are being seized from the state?
State parks, offices, and roads is about all I can come up with. Not nothing, but probably manageable. The new state would likely have to pay (what a shitshow that “eminent domain” process would be), which might be a reason to decline to accept the county.
Counties are divisions of a State they are not federated into a state they are simply divisions for purposes of Government. The right to secede has to belong to someone or something with sovereignty. When we talk about States seceding there is an easy argument from the fact that the Union is a Union of States not of people which was formed by an agreement between the States. When we start talking about counties seceding we must talking about indivilduals sovereignty. But the thng is you are not talking about individuals leaving in these examples you are talking about counties leaving. I doubt you could find a single county that unanimously wanted to leave, which means it isn’t the people leaving it is the majority acting as a government leaving.
When you deny the State being left a say in the matter you are saying that a purely subordinate government, with no powers that are not directly granted by the State government somehow acquires the power to secede. That is incoherent. Show me a 100% secede vote and I’ll go along with this model, but until you can show that I’m sticking to my guns and saying follow the Constitution as written.
I’m sticking to my guns and saying follow the Constitution as written.
I’d say everyone has recognized already that this fantasy begins with a Constitutional amendment.
Which ain’t gonna happen.
We’re just wankin’ bro. Geez.
Sorry, I’m argumentative today. Probably because I am dealing with stupid client tricks that are ending up costing me money and wasting my time, and the clients in question are simultaneously valuable enough that I can’t just tell them to go to hell, and minor enough that it annoys me to chalk the hours up to good will. They hit the sweet spot of “got to keep them happy, but damn I’m pissed about it.”
Sovereignty includes the right to maintain territorial integrity.
George III haz a sad.
The Law of nations is Lex Talionis. Georgie wanted to keep us he should have won the war!
I almost suggested 60% in my article, but decided not to complicate it.
New Jersey give PA Warren, Sussex, and Hunterdon Counties and gets the Philly area in exchange.
Deal.
I like the way you think!
“New Jersey give PA Warren, Sussex, and Hunterdon Counties”
I don’t know. That sounds like some sort of Indian giving deal.
Heh – PA gets towns with Injun names like Lopatcong and Allamuchy.
Didn’t all of the anti-Trumpers move to Canada anyway?
A distinction without a difference.
They tried, but the Trumpenfuhrer rounded them all up and put them in camps.
We’ll make Harry and Meghan the new monarchs and you guys get Ted Nugent.
I am rather OK with this.
I just wish Rowdy Roddy was still of this earthy sphere. He would have made a great King Of Canada.
NO, NO, NO. This is completely opposite the direction I want things to go. Instead of concentrating power into just 2 entities, I’d rather splinter it into 330,314,249* entities
* https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/
Free the UP to join Wisconsin and escape the shackles of Michigan!
…and in all fairness, PA can have Cleveland.
What did we do to Ohio to deserve Cleveland?
Yoopers are crazy. I don’t think Wisconsin wants them.
I’ll take the Yoopers over the southeast of the state.
Ogie Ogilthorpe.
“Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country’s refusal to accept him, well, I guess that’s more than most 21-year-olds can handle… Ogie Ogilthorpe!”
The all time greatest sports movie.
And yet another one that could never be made again.
She’s a lesbian…a lesbian…a lesbian!
I’d take them. The UP was originally part of the Wisconsin territory
anyway. Congress gave it to Michigan as a sop for deciding against
Michigan in the Michigan-Ohio war.
Free BC from the Coast mountains east. We’re pretty much Alberta, anyways.
Every 4 years, a state may offer contiguous* counties from another state a chance to leave their state and join yours.
No state would ever make this offer. It should be up to the counties and the state they want to join.
Getting to 34 states to approve the amendment would be impossible, though.
So, Boogaloo it is, I guess.
One other: all counties should vote. The vote would be effective only to move a contiguous group of counties to the neighboring state. Geographical jurisdiction is important, so having isolated counties that are governed by a distant state is a bad idea.
The shit-flinging in a state where every county voted to leave would be epic.
I specifically said results have to maintain contiguity.
I know. More a response to comments against a continuity requirement.
Then again, my response to you below about someone not appreciating chaos may apply to us too, wrt contiguity.
According to the degreed and credentialed journalismists at NBC News, “The Boogaloo” is a white supremacist organization trying to start a war targeting liberals and LEOs.
Satanic Panic Electric Boogaloo! A bunch of 4-chan trolls and larpers.
Do they even make the reference for : Civil War II, Electric Boogaloo? Or are they just that uncultured.
I’m pretty sure some of them have bacterial or fungal colonies, so they are cultured in that sense, at least.
Zer are neffer joke about dizrespekting ze State, comrade.
No, never.
It’s a Link Hole
Do I even want to know how much taxpayer money these jokers get?
They were probably inspired by the physicists who get gobs of money to “detect” sub-atomic particles. Since no one can see them, they just get to sit around drinking up their National Science Foundation budget.
The NCRI is basically doing the same exact thing. Sure the people who admit to being supremacists say that the OK sign isn’t theirs and that they’ve never heard of boogaloo, but we have used our powerful sciency type instruments to detect the links. Trust us. We spent our budget wisely.
In this case, they may not get any taxpayer money. Their e-mail address is for the British Indian Ocean territory. And they claim they work off donations.
That said, they seem to accept a lot of the general narrative. For example, suggesting Gab is ” rife with white supremacist, hateful, anti-Semitic bigotry” and asserting the “increase” in school shootings is because of social media.
Something like this looks increasingly necessary, Combined with a dramatic reduction in the role of the federal government in domestic affairs (yes, I’d also like to see the same in international affairs, but it’s not necessary for this point) you might have the wherewithal to hold the Union together. Absent something roughly like this, I’m not sure how you get there without civil war. At least if current trends continue. You effectively have two tribes occupying roughly the same geographic landmass with a single government. Unless you offer each tribe opportunities to get out of being completely ruled by the other, you have a recipe for conflict.
The big problem here is that, as it stands right now, in the US States are Unitary. Counties are merely constructions of the state legislature, and can be dissolved and created at a whim by the state legislature. Most of Alaska doesn’t even belong to any Borough (county). Unless States started to confederalize their counties, they could squash this easily.
If states abolish their counties, do it by some other geographic unit: state representative districts (wouldn’t that do interesting things to gerrymandering), voting districts, etc.
Look at a national map of counties. They get smaller the further SE you go since county size is not uniform. The contagious county rule would have far more upheaval in certain parts of the country than others.
Two other points. Counties are not independent, sovereign entities. They and the cities inside of those counties are political subdivisions of states. Moving counties to another state would mean a whole different foundation for county and city ordinances and regulations, as well as quite a bit of data migration.
Boundary disputes between states have been going on for a while with supposedly fixed borders. Move the actual border to what isn’t always a clear cut county line and repeat that multiple times indefinitely.
Moving counties to another state would mean a whole different foundation for county and city ordinances and regulations, as well as quite a bit of data migration.
No doubt. And?
Move the actual border to what isn’t always a clear cut county line and repeat that multiple times indefinitely.
Sure. And?
Its like he doesn’t even appreciate chaos.
Bureacratic inconvenience or intertia should not outweigh the Will of the Peepul. Democracy uber alles, amirite?
Bureaucratic chaos rarely favors individuals.
Sorry Mr Dean, you can’t pull a permit for your new hot tub because our city code references Oldstate statutes and doesn’t derive from Newstate statutes. Not to worry, we’re in the middle of rulemaking and should be finished in another 18-24 months. Oh and by the way, your fence definitely isn’t permitted under the maximum height rules of Newstate so you’ll have to tear it down once we’re finished. And your plumbing permit for that bathroom renovation was issued by Oldstate which is no longer valid. You’ll need to stop work immediately.
5 years later, oh hey it turns out your house sits in Oldstate so you’re back under their jurisdiction now.
Sorry Mr Dean, you can’t pull a permit for your new hot tub because our city code references Oldstate statutes and doesn’t derive from Newstate statutes.
Your current code is thus invalid in its entirety, as municipalities in our new state cannot have codes based on statutes from another state, and I don’t need a permit for my new hot tub because you don’t have your shit together had have a valid permit requirement.
your plumbing permit for that bathroom renovation was issued by Oldstate which is no longer valid.
Full Faith and Credit Clause.
You asked permission by filing for a permit? #fail.
Zer are neffer joke about dizrespekting ze State, comrade.
Wow! I posted something in two different places at the same time! Has that been done before?
No, never.
It’s a Link Hole
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I have a feeling yours was deliberate.
*applause* though.
TIL WordPress eats the shifty-eye emoticon.
Note: In the Virginia vs West Virginia link i posted above i found this interesting:
I imagine that this was the end result of some Wikipedia Edit War.
Imma guess that is an entry that is different every time you pull it.
Its interesting because this does leave out the whole fact that Virginia had had a convention on secession and voted against it, and then re convened after Lincoln called up troops.
Doesn’t fit the narrative.
Wikipedia…
Also, as stated by Viking, narrative…
Relevant.
I’m laughing because no one took the Mexicans. Also, Minnesoda wouldn’t want probably want to be in Jesusland more that the US of C. You’d maybe have to have some sort of Progressive Corridor to link the Twin Cities to the west coast of Lake Michigan (through Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago) to avoid too much squabbling.
Squabbling? That’d be a June bug in the chicken coop.
I live near that “corridor”, no thanks we have enough drug addicts driving 90/94 interstate already.
The divide we face is not geographical or even political but cultural. The politics are just a symptom. The divide gets greater every day and I dont think any scribblings on a map are going to bridge it. No political solution is going to stop the growing gap.
They. Are. Never. Going. To. Quit.
They are never going to dust off their hands, breath a sigh of relief and say “Finally we are rid of those deplorables.”
I have said before that America is not a place. It is an idea. It is an idea that leftists cannot tolerate. Their goal is to stamp that idea out of existence anywhere it exists. As long as it exists here or anywhere else it is a threat to them. That they will never quit is evidenced by leftists in the rest of the world, which means most of them, ranting and railing about our first and second amendments and desperately wanting us brought to heel.
You’re right, Suthen. Canada is lost and has been since 1982, the year that I graduated from high school. We handed our sovereign rights over to un-elected bureaucrats in a futile bid for freedom. I hope Pierre Trudeau is being tortured by imps in hell as we speak. We’re not quite Europe yet but were getting closer and the scary thing is every time America gets a little more free we lose a freedom.
I mean to say that Pierre Trudeau was a commie rat that hated the idea of Canada as a sovereign Nation and wanted to bring us into the “International Fold”. Thus his spawn is doing his best to fulfill his Father’s dreams. Fuck them both up the fundament with red hot pokers…
I wonder how much this would actually affect representation in DC.
I suspect the Senate would be largely unaffected: the Dem Senators who are pretty much elected by big cities would still hold their seats even if the Repub counties left. You might wind up with a few states where an expanded group of Repub counties actually managed to outvote the Dem cities in the state, but a shift from being a Dem-dominated state to a Repub-dominated state might lead those cities to join the neighboring state.
For House and the electoral college, you might see a shift toward the Repubs, if reapportionment of House seats and states no longer dominated by their big/Dem city lead to more Repub Reps (and more electoral votes in states dominated by Repubs).
Of course, all the noise is about Repub counties fleeing Dem dominated states. You never know – the phat welfare/redistribution in Dem states could get counties to cross over so they can wet their beak, too. St Louis might decided to join Illinois. What would happen if it voted to do that, and in the same election Southern Illinois counties voted to join Missouri so St. Louis wasn’t contiguous with Illinois any more? Which vote would get priority?
Also, what if a group of counties voted to cross over that were contiguous, but that stranded a county that didn’t cross over? In my example above, what if a solid belt of counties around East St. Louis voted to join Missouri, but East St. Louis didn’t?
Wouldn’t every both states take the opportunity to eject East St. Louis?
But a state can’t eject a county/city. So Illinois is stuck with East St.Louis unless it votes to leave.
It couldn’t join Missouri unless Missouri approves it, so regardless of how East St. Louis votes, I think it belong to Illinois. If we stick with the contiguity rule, it seems like a southern Illinois county gets sacrificed and has to stay in Illinois to keep East St. Louis contiguous.
I was mostly just being snarky about how no one really wants to have East St. Louis.
But it was snark that proves an interesting point.
Even if all of southern illinois wanted to leave, their would have to be a line of counties staying in Illinois to connect St Clair County to Cooke County.
We turn the continent into the largest game of 囲碁 ever.
Counties changes would be resolved 1 at a time from highest vote to move to lowest (passing) with only legal moves resolving.
The best troll ever would be to watch Jesusland officials take a page out of Mexico’s playbook and help that caravan of Honduran “refugees” right through their territory to the border with the US of C.
Of course, with the wide open border at TJ/California I guess they wouldn’t even have to go to the trouble.
TIL: medium rare burgers are illegal in Canada
So you are only allowed to buy rare?
Holy shit, Canada got something right? Blind squirrels and all, I guess.
*refrains from scritching non-wormy ass*
Let’s get serious for a moment.
How would your plan affect the sportzball leagues? Surely you wouldn’t let the dirty deplorables from KC into the American League in baseball?
Houston to NL, Milwaukee to AL.
As God intended.
I miss the old Brewers/Twins series.
I miss the old Brewers-Millers’ games. See the young talent on the way up and the old talent on the way down.
And would it be the National League? Or Holy League?
Serious question that we’ve kicked around before. Does it matter? The progs leave their blue state shit holes and descend like locusts or a virus in new areas, bringing with them their failed policies until their adopted home turns blue.
If VA turns solid blue along the lines of New Jersey (high taxes, emission control, gun control, etc), I’ve been thinking of relocating the family to eastern Tennessee. Now I’m wondering if in 20 years, Tennessee will just end up being in the place VA is in now.
Just yesterday there were some posts on here about the horrors of open carry affecting the sensibilities of everyday citizens so better not to do it. Can you imagine someone saying something like that 100 years ago? The Overton window just keeps shifting.
The game is to put off the Venezuelazation of where you live as long as possible. In the long run, the Left’s successful march through the institutions has doomed us all. The best we can do is postpone it.
Why I am probably far more conservative on illegal and legal immigration than most people around here. Immigration just accelerates the process.
And to think we’re still among the freest people in the world.
To answer your question, no, it doesn’t matter. Eventually things will get shitty enough and there will be some sort of break. I hope to miss it.
And to think we’re still among the freest people in the world.
I thought this too. Even just looking at developed nations, CA or NJ is still light years ahead in freedom compared to Great Britain. Nevermind a place like Iran or China….or Canada.
emission control
*checks inspection report*
It’s already here in the people’s republic of Prince William County
It’s already here in the people’s republic of Prince William County
Isn’t that DC?
Kidding, though it does seem like Virginians outside NOVA often collectivize Loundon, PWC, etc as DC.
Trapped in the car dealership waiting room with MSNBC playing. I may be a raving Prog before my car is ready. They are breathlessly describing more Russian campaign interference right now.
Does the dealer at least have donuts?
Coffee and soda. I see some left over bagels if I want to carb up.
Your dealer sucks. Find a new one.
You monster!
Organic fair trade tofu or gtfo
They are breathlessly describing more Russian campaign interference right now.
On whose behalf?
Here you go…
Key US intelligence agency confronts a Trumpian overhaul
The latest developments at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence are more than a little unsettling.
Trump is a monster for not wanting a Deep State guy in his office. And of course Flynn was bad because reasons.
Hilariously, they had Brennan on to tell us how it’s all bad.
Guilty pleasure music – https://youtu.be/tDl3bdE3YQA the last vinyl that I ever bought. It’s a good tune but I remember the rest of the album being less than memorable. That’s some solid bass and guitar going on there. Stop laughing.
Didn’t she end up getting beat up by Paul Simon?
I don’t remember that being on of the 50 ways…
Other way round.
If they were not pressing charges against each other, then who was pressing charges against them and why?
Oh who fucking cares? I just thought it was amusing. “Two-Cock Mouth” beating the shit out of an insufferable midget.
That made me laugh.
Thanks, Festus.
*Tips cap Tips over*
I own her first two albums. 2nd one was clearly inferior.
That’s okay. I still like Blues Traveler and Steely Dan.
#metoo
I used to call that the Popeye Song.
“I yam what I yam, That’s all that I yam …”
I always misheard the lyrics as “Philosophy is a god-damned cereal box religion”
I just remembered that Richard K. Morgan wrote a novel with this premise, called Thirteen. Naturally Jesusland was a backwards country full of dumb hicks, with no public education or modern technology whatsoever, and whatever they called California had an immigration problem with Jesuslanders trying to get in and work there illegally.
I think people misinterpreted my title.
It was about the proposal in the text, not the goofy picture I decided to attach.
The bad idea was the keep 50 states but move counties around one, not the 2 countries one.
If I could have found it, I was going to post a map from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_(TV_series).
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/revolutiontv/images/2/24/Map.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20140116121307
This week I done seent a fella with a Confederate battle flag patch on his jacket, and a mullet. Unreconstructed man in England.
They didn’t toss him out?
Of the supermarket? I dunno. I recall someone in my old neighborhood had a dixie horn.
neighborhood?
White trash chic.
Blokes of Hazzard
ROFLMAO!!!!
I think it’s a good idea. It’d be interesting to see what would have to happen with state’s debts. I’d set the election every 10 years. I’d also add a caveat that if more than 25 counties voted to put themselves into ‘state divorce’ they could unify into a single state. I’d also come up with a standardized state constitution with clear citizens rights referencing the Bill of Rights, just to eliminate all of this obvious confusion we’ve been having lately.
I think there has to be something done. This is an excellent solution as opposed to what’s probably going to happen that’s going to be a bit more bloody. It’s a fun thought exercise to think about how small CA would get and how crazy the Senators would be. Ugh.. the fights for water rights, large natural resources, monuments and natural areas would be interesting to say the least. States bribing whole counties to switch, lol.
I’d also come up with a standardized state constitution with clear citizens rights referencing the Bill of Rights, just to eliminate all of this obvious confusion we’ve been having lately.
It’s SCOTUS’s fault.
Back in 2018 we talked about a plan to split California in 3 that I thought politically had some chance as each party got something out of it.
https://www.glibertarians.com/2018/04/thursday-afternoon-links-ornithophobia-edition/
The county where I live divided itself in two right after the Rev War. They drew a proposed boundary and then asked every land owner along the boundary which county they wanted to be in.
The current county line looks like a saw’s teeth. Many owners decided to stay with the county where their house and barn were, so all their farm acreage went to the same county.
Today’s tax rates, and governments, are out of line with each other but that’s the breaks.
The county where I live divided itself in two right after the Rev War.
For some reason, this dredged up a memory from when I lived in Cambridge, MA.
There are a bunch of pre-Revolutionary War houses there (some really nice ones, too – getting into the mansion zone). I noticed some had black bands painted around their chimneys. Turns out those were put on during the war to identify Tories.
Caveat: this memory goes back, we’ll say, 30 years. No warranty is provided on the details.
When Ky was part of the state of Va, it consisted of 3 counties. Today it has 120. So between statehood and today there were, ummm, a few splits.
120 is probably too many, but they work well as “farm area with town in middle” for most of them.
Thoughts?
When in the course of human events…
We might find ourselves beset with tapeworms…
Any idea what the new borders would look like?
I would bet that, where possible due to contiguity, a number of red counties would hop the border. You might see one or two blue cities and a handful of blue counties also hop the border. End result would result in state governance somewhat closer to the urban/rural divide, and greater divergence between states.
The transition process would be . . . interesting; there would be an unholy shitshowmageddon as misc. issues identified above get surfaced, and no doubt many others as well (ex: legislative districts would have to be redrawn).
Hey, speaking of shitshows:
Obviously, the USA should be sticking its dick in that.
I think that’s on the wrong end of the hot/crazy matrix.
Why don’t the other members of the EU help out?
*flop*
I have now scanned, digitally filed, and shredded 6 journals and 2 reams’ worth of scribblings, doodles, half-baked ideas, half novels written on other people’s computers and printed out, and snippets. I have 1 more ream’s worth to go.
Some of it was written on yellow legal paper in pencil and won’t scan. That, I have to transcribe.
On-topic: The Overton window has shifted. The left will “descend like locusts” (h/t up above whoever said that) and turn every place into a shithole.
And I will be dead and my children won’t know any better nor will their children and so on.
I envy your energy (focus, drive, whatever). May I borrow a cup? I assume you’re also doing this without caffeine.
You may have some of my OCD, yes. Also, my ADHD. Also, my tendency to procrastinate by doing largely irrelevant things to keep from having to do relevant large things.
I am on caffeine at all times, plus Bronkaid (what weightlifters and low-carbers call a “stack” 3x/day). It’s the only thing that keeps me from sleeping 24/7, which is what I did for 30 years before I stumbled over it.
Huh. I’ve had all of those ingredients separately (caffeine pills don’t seem to do much if anything) but maybe the stacking is the key.
Saw a caffeine vape pen on Amazon; wonder how well that works.
Lisa Simpson on pep pills (36 sec): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I935pBuwbXQ
PS to follow…
I ordered powdered adrafinil a few years ago; didn’t seem to do anything for me but maybe you could use it. Supposed to be rather hard on the liver.
I want to try modafinil but it’s hard to come by (thank you War on Drugs!) and I’m wary of nootropics (I have a LOT of libertarian friends who are into microdosing) mixing with my rx’d meds.
I’m on Wellbutrin, which, I found out last night, some people refer to as “poor man’s cocaine.” My dose isn’t enough to do anything but keep me from being suicidal in the winter, so it doesn’t help that much. I am also on Lamictal, which is an anti-epileptic which is an off-label mood regulator.
ECA stack. The A is for aspirin (a baby aspirin), but I can eat those orange ones like candy, which is one reason I have an ulcer, so aspirin’s off limits for me.
sleeping 24/7, which is what I did for 30 years
Sleeping Beauty! I knew it!
Ha! I could fall asleep at the drop of a hat, but not like narcolepsy. The kind where you start doing the church nod at inconvenient moments like during class and work.
So, all these scribbles. A lot of it is college papers. I got As and suchlike, lots of great comments, and I have no idea why. If *I* were grading them, I’d be all F- FOR BULLSHIT. STOP SPEWING BULLSHIT.
I don’t know if my competition was just that awful or my profs were bored or what.
I wrote pages and pages and pages of critique on books I DID NOT READ. And got As.
SMDH.
I’m just hoping to get rich enough before the shit hits the fan to have options. I don’t fancy fighting a Guerrilla war in my 50-60’s.
Already there, bro. And, yeah, my plan is to have assets that are sufficiently sheltered to get me through.
I’m way past fighting a guerrilla war. I’m in a “defend* in place” mode.
*read: die
I’m fat, fifties and out of training. I’m dying in place when it comes. I’m just looking to pad my honor guard on the way out and die clean.
Pretty much, yeah.
While walking the dogs, I’ve already scoped out a couple of sniper’s hides (I can keep the only road to our house clean for out to beyond my effective range) and picked my fallbacks. If I can avoid catching an unlucky shot, I’m pretty sure I know where I will fall. Depends on whether they come the hard way (up the road) or the easy way (through the wash behind the Casa Dean). Either way, I have brick walls for cover.
The Casa itself is indefensible – way too many big windows.
I think you and I are just a pair of old codger fatalists.
I’ll probably end up an old codger fatality, when the Boogaloo comes to my neighborhood.
I don’t have anything to fight for, except my kids, and I’m already doing that against “society” (there’s that word again, the debate of which I did not stick my nose into). It’s exhausting, trying to keep the identity politics from infecting XY (who is particularly susceptible) and trying to get XX’s health problems sorted out.
I’m not looking for a fight. I plan on bribing some third world government to let me sit on a beach and destroy my liver.
I could get behind that.
Double sided sheet fed scanner is one of the best purchases
I’ve every made.
It’s not that it let’s me look at old papers easily, it’s that
it gives me permission to throw them away.
Yes, that.
We’re preparing to move (don’t know when). I’m culling stuff and these things are 20-30 years old. I don’t want to move them. Yeah, okay, 3 reams of paper plus journals going back 20 years plus writing notes. ONE filing cabinet full of paper and keepsakes and mementos. Why? I have my stupid BABY BOOK for crying out loud (I also have 2 baby blankets that were made for me, but I just can’t get rid of those). Ticket stubs to things I don’t remember attending. Keychains from people who were my friends but from whom I parted bitterly. Notes from people I don’t even remember.
Now, stuff my kids made for me–that’s a hard one. I’m still trying to figure out what to do.
I don’t think your baby book is stupid at all. I get a kick out of that stuff anyway — dunno what your kids think, or more importantly will think.
people who were my friends but from whom I parted bitterly
ah, merde! Meant to say before clumsy finger:
people who were my friends but from whom I parted bitterly
Go on… 😉 Or maybe you shouldn’t, IDK.
Eh. Politics. Office politics, real politics, misunderstandings, miscommunications, grudges, etc etc etc.
My online “dating” was a trainwreck (I didn’t remember over half those dudes), but somehow it worked out okay.
For little mementos I buy the Itoya photo albums in various sizes. Then the things have a
place and can go on a bookshelf.
Of course I also just bought a barcode scanner to help with inventory and shopping lists,
so you may not want to listen to me.
^^^ Peak Glib
the Southern Illinois discussion leads to an interesting question to me: where would they go? Indiana, Kentucky, and Missouri are all viable options.
What if all 3 states invited them? Do you do it as two separate ballot questions or one? Or a preferential ballot with 4 choices: IL, IN, KY, MO?
Good question. Having a split ballot would almost certainly mean defeat for the Exiteers.
Two ballots in one, like the CA recall election.
Question 1, leave of stay?
Question 2, where do we go?
OT: I played 18 in 18, Mph Winds from the North, what a hoot, after 2 bad shots on #8, I ended up with a 50 foot shot for par, downhill, in a left to right crosswind,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ngFVCC63epurjBwf8
I told myself, Self, make it, and I did,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kbajfzWyRDw6QH6L8
This is why you play in insane winds…. I don’t keep score on days like these,
@ Tonio, Innova Wombat 3, 167 grams get one, or several,
I miss golf. I miss having golfing buddies. They all moved away or shunned me. There’s nothing sadder on the course then some tag-along loser looking for a friend.
I like playing alone, and tag a longs suck,
It is one of my goals to be able to go play golf.
Mike Eruzione* is on today’s Fox News Rundown podcast at ~15 min in, for the resident hockey fans.
(* “eruption; rash”?!)
After the countries are split, Jesus Land invades and takes over USC’s dick. Those political leaders that aren’t summarily executed are exiled to Burley. Jesus Land installs a Conservatarian government to fix that shit, and we build a wall around Jesus Land.
Jesus Land invades and takes over USC’s dick
I think the only part we would want would be San Diego. Definitely not LA. Maybe build a high-speed train from Tijuana to LA to facilitate “family reunions”. No stops in Jesusland, of course.
we build a wall around Jesus Land
Wall, moat, alligators (with frickin’ lasers).
What if I don’t want to live in USC or Jesusland?
Now where did McAfee get off to?
Geez. Now I feel like a jerk. Went for a walk and passed a lady trying to wrangle her dogs in. All of the sudden her dog is jumping on my legs from behind. Scared the shit out of me. I shooed it off and then it came back at which I yelled at it and then yelled at her.
I don’t like yelling at neighbors, but you need to keep in control of your dogs. And I generally don’t have a problem with dogs, I have a problem with dogs that I don’t know, and are clearly not controlled by their owner.
Well, you handled it better than a cop. So there is that.
Don’t feel bad, She was the Jerk,
Control your animal, common sense and decency,
You are more restrained than I would have been.
I was standing in Home Depot trying to decide on a nailer. Minding my own business, not paying attention to anything going on around me (which is not my norm, but paying attention to everything going on around me is exhausting). Suddenly, there’s a dog behind me growling and barking. Scared the shit out of me, too. I turned around and there’s a little yip-yap dog straining its leash to get to me, teeth bared. And it’s owner is standing there GLARING AT ME as if it’s MY FAULT.
“That dog bites me, I’ll kill it and sue you.”
its*
OMG lit the Ted’S signal.
Well, now you have. You had it right the first time.
No I did not.
Ah, missed the first one.
*retreats back into the shadows of it’s can*
No, the second time should be “its” as well: “its owner”.
Far worse is that some monster used “want’s” earlier in the comments.
It was probably I
“Minding my own business, not paying attention”
That’s what set me off I think the most. The lady and the dogs were across the street and I had my over the ear headphones on. so when it happened it was a total surprise.
If I had seen the dog coming it might have been a better interaction.
When I sit a my desk and Glib or what not my back is to a window looking out on to my back yard. A few summers ago as I was drinking my morning coffee and Glibbing or what not, when two very loud and menacing barks damn near gave me a heart attack. When I turned around two very big goofy looking dogs were noses up to the screen just giving me a shit eating dog look. As they ran off I swear they were laughing. I went to the front and watched them run down the driveway and chase some poor sap around a trash can a few time then bound off down the street. I’ve never seen them before and haven’t seen them since. I like to think that they are still out there roaming America’s byways, barking in open windows and harassing joggers and walkers.
I’m allergic to animals and contact can cause me to break out in hives. It’s a constant irritation that people assume I want pet dander and slobber all over me. It’s not like animal allergies are rare. I don’t shove peanuts down their kids throats.
You should start doing that.
Maybe just walk around with a bag of peanuts slung over his shoulder.
Or I could cover myself with peanut butter and wrestle with their kids.
yikes! that escalated quickly.
Can’t happen soon enough really.
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/02/21/ca-governor-no-really-lets-allow-doctors-write-prescriptions-houses/
Given the number of Democrat voters in the State I think he understates the numbers f people with behovioral health conditions.
Where do I pick a refill?
Oh wait my insurance doesn’t cover homelessness
It’s like “What About Bob?”
I’m a sailor!
I’ll be curious to see how pharmacists dispense houses.
It won’t be houses, it will be institutions (again).
I assume landlords would cease to operate in CA as every renter would become a potential ADA landmine.
Not that I expect Drake to answer, but if anyone wants to take up the cause… My girlfriend currently lives in Siem Reap. If we get married why the fuck do any of you think you should have a say as to where we shall live? Under what libertarian principle do you justify me having to go cap in hand to request the right of domicile, sans droit du seigneur hopefully, like some sort of serf? If we become married, assuming my fiancee is a peaceable person who has no communicable diseases, by what right do you exercise the use of force to prevent her from living with husband? This is not just an academic thought experiment to me, but my life. How do you justify the massive governmental interference in my life? Explain to me why my right to pursue happiness should be curtailed because one fears how my putative spouse may or may not vote for county dogcatcher?
I’m a not-open-borders-are-you-crazy guy, and I wouldn’t restrict immigration by spouses. Legal resident while married to a US citizen/legal resident, eligible for citizenship just like a real person.
Of course, she won’t be voting for anybody until she becomes a citizen. I’m old-fashioned that way.
And yet, in these fora, I’ve seen grumbling about the INA of ’65 and a desire to go back to the IA of ’24 because of the boogeyman of “chain migration”.
I assume not even our commenters would touch the War Brides Act though, because veterans and the Thin Multicam Line or something.
I’ve never understood the opposition to chain migration. If you’re here legally and not sucking at the welfare teat, what’s the issue?
Why don’t you want your grandchildren to look like you, Scruffy?
Have you seen Scruffy?
A little gene blending is a good thing.
We went for gene blending, but got scrambled instead.
I’m not a fan of giving any relative (other than the spouse and children) of an immigrant any preferential rights to immigrate here themselves. Couldn’t honestly say if that is any different than what the INA provides. I wouldn’t give the parents of a citizen/legal immigrant any preferential rights, which is where I suspect the “chain migration” gripe comes from. Just because you managed to get across the border before your water broke (and I see that pretty much on a weekly basis) shouldn’t give you any right to stay here. Nobody’s stopping you from taking your citizen-kid with you if you can’t make arrangements for somebody to raise xim in the US.
Of course, I think we need a much tighter border with Mexico, because of the scenario where Mexico gets Venezeulafied and 10 – 20% of Mexico heads north. I also think that a stricter and narrower “refugee” policy is a good thing, and the current practice of having them wait in Mexico while their asylum claim is vetted is an excellent practice, given the way economic migrants are trained to game the system and used the previous “catch and release” policy to disappear into the country.
The big criticism of the 1965 act, both current and contemporary to its passage, was the shift to “family reunification” as a presumption.
Okay, I’ll take the bait. Should family reunification, per se, be the presumption? There’s a difference between a spouse or children and a fully grown adult’s fully grown brother or sister, or third cousin. You can certainly recognize the earlier law as racist (it almost certainly was) and still say that we should let people in just to show how diverse we are. And you can avoid breaking up families and still not allow family relations to become a trump card over any other consideration.
Pics?
Of HM with his cap in hand? What for?
Same reason he likes pictures of poor people.
You need a Glibertarians.com Gold Account for that access.
Well this wouldn’t be a problem if we outlawed marrying people who aren’t citizens.
I was thinking this was an interesting twist on the old “Canadian girlfriend” ploy.
I’ve been forever unwavering in my commitment to open borders for hot chicks.
I’m for more legal immigration across the board.
I’m also for less welfare across the board.
Easiest way to grow the economy really.
I don’t think most people here would disagree with those two statements, but when they are used as an enthymeme, I have a problem with it as it is a non sequitur. I would be surprised if as much money, if not more, was spent daily by fire departments on reviving junkies with Narcan, not to mention all the time wasted by fire and EMS that could be spent on more pressing things, the money spent for social workers, group homes, etc. etc.. Yet, I’ve never heard anyone here argue “End the welfare state, then end the War on Drugs.” Even though latter argument is sounder than the former.
I can sympathize with not wanting the country to be flooded with the destitute. However, the new interpretation of the public charge rule will deny visas or green cards if the sponsor can’t show a yearly salary of at least 63,000 dollars a year. So if you’re working class and you met a nice girl from Croatia, you’re shit out of luck. The current administration is tell you ‘Slavs for me, but not for thee!’ I wouldn’t classify a family making 50,000 dollars a year as potential welfare leeches. Would you?
Are they drawing welfare? If not, then no. The income requirement is a poor metric of behavior. I know people who make less that would never apply for welfare nor accept it.
the new interpretation of the public charge rule will deny visas or green cards if the sponsor can’t show a yearly salary of at least 63,000 dollars a year.
That seems . . . unreasonable.
I would be surprised if as much money, if not more, was spent daily by fire departments on reviving junkies with Narcan, not to mention all the time wasted by fire and EMS that could be spent on more pressing things, the money spent for social workers, group homes, etc. etc..
If you mean, we spend more tax money providing taxpayer-funded services to junkies than we providing taxpayer-funded services to illegal immigrants, I think you’re probably wrong by a fair amount. My view could be colored by living in a border state.
Contra that, junkies probably cost my hospital more than illegals who skip on the bill. As near as we can tell, the junkies cost us roughly $6mm a year, and the illegals probably around $1.5mm a year (of course, we don’t know how many illegals are on Medicaid, but we actually do OK financially on Medicaid deliveries).
If you want to curl up by the fire with some light reading, here is the DHS final ruling on the public charge rule. For the purposes of the I-944 (Declaration of Self-Sufficiency) and the I-864 (Affidavit of Support), the alien or the sponsor needs to show that they earn an income 250 percent above the Federal poverty line for a family of four. That’s about 63,000 a year.
I’ll admit that I could be biased as well by living in a state hit hard by the opioid crisis. “A drug-infested den” as the President put it.
I will also note that I don’t deny the legality of the DHS’s interpretation of the public charge rule. That is how the INA is written – the interpretation is left up the the executive.
Maybe next time Congress won’t legislate their job away.
I agree that is a non sequitur as is “they’re takin’ our jerbs”. My only concern really is mass immigration of people who are fleeing their countries to escape the socialist shitshow that they voted for in the first place. Whether that’s Latin America, Canada, or Europe. Same reason I don’t want blue state statist moving to Ohio to recreate their same shitshow. I also don’t want our public schools teaching how much better communism is than capitalism either. None of that has anything to do with race. I don’t really know the “right” number of people though. Seems like the current rate of naturalizing a million people a year is reasonable. Realistically by the third generation people are almost fully if not fully assimilated.
Ok, let’s say I take a trip to France and I meet a big-tiddy Asian goth gf who also happens to be an out and out Communist. What business is it of anyone if I want to marry her and we decided to live here?
A) AlmightyJB on February 21, 2020 at 2:49 pm
I’ve been forever unwavering in my commitment to open borders for hot chicks.
B) I said mass immigration.
You think I’m bringing just one?!?
Bring a couple for me:)
However, the new interpretation of the public charge rule will deny visas or green cards if the sponsor can’t show a yearly salary of at least 63,000 dollars a year.
I’ll happily agree that that amount is almost certainly unfairly high. But, is any minimum justified in your mind? If not, how do you avoid being flooded with the destitute?
Genuinely curious, though, HM:
What would you regard as a reasonable/acceptable process for vetting immigration by spouses of citizens/legal residents? Something that you wouldn’t regard as “having to go cap in hand to request the right of domicile, sans droit du seigneur hopefully, like some sort of serf”?
A good comparison is like shall issue vs may issue for gun “licenses”. Currently both immigrant and non-immigrant visa are may issue and the issuance left to the discretion of the consular officer or customs agent as per certain guidelines. I argue that it should be closer to “shall issue” in that as long as the officer has no evidence that the individual is unfit for admittance, the visa shall be issued.
As far as evidence, I think it is reasonable to require a physical exam and vaccinations to prevent the spread of communicable diseases and the immigration of those too ill or physically incapable of working (without welfare programs, the latter becomes moot for me.) I also think it is reasonable to perform a background check to determine if the individual has been involved in certain crimes that would lead to being unfit or evidence of being involved in terrorism, espionage, etc.. Beyond that, I cannot think of anything that would be a just criterion to determine fitness for admissability.
So, wait. Are you saying you want droit du seigneur to make a come-back?
“Sans” ain’t just a river in Egypt.
Joke. Bombed.
I saw the sans.
I see.
Oh Oh, Festus just called one of his higher-ups an “asshole”…it was all in good fun but can be construed that Jay is indeed an asshole. For all I know the guy that I’ve been dealing with all day is his bum-buddy. Radio silence. What are they gonna do? Fire me?
It’s out there in the aether now. No do-overs.
Now’s the time to double-down.
Let us know how it goes.
You could always say you were talking about someone else. Communication gap. You misunderstood who he was talking about or vice versa. Or you could own it and tell him, well tbh you are an asshole.
I call my boss an Asshole and worse on an almost daily basis.
Ummmm… we’re not your boss.