Bargain Hunting

by | Mar 17, 2020 | Economy, Markets | 525 comments

A proper essay leaves you with more than just questions:  this ain’t no proper essay.  These are the times that, well, no one knows, yet.  But I’d like your help improving my list of questions.

 

1/ How long and serious is this virus stuff? Even if we got the all-clear in twenty minutes, some damage has been done.  Like a goat going through a python, we’ve lost at least a full week, a global loss of, say, 2% to choke down; this won’t heal and tan over in a month.  That comes off any growth rate you had planned for 2020 (3% for DST45, less for others).  What would that mean for you:  a lost vacation, tire replacements delayed, silver instead of gold?

 

2/ How extensive will government help interference be? Will they print more money?  (Okay, I actually know the answer to this one; you do, too)  Which industries and institutions will be pumped up?  Who gets a check, a deferral, a program?  Which winners and losers will the free-market Trump&Co pick?

 

3/ Who will disappear? Let’s say three million Americans get this and 1% die:  that’s 1% of 1%.  I only know 1,000 folk, so only one chance in ten that someone I know gets a dirt nap out of this.  But those are slim, slim odds.  If it’s an order of magnitude worse, not hard to imagine, I figure everyone will know someone who checked out over this.  I just got back from my third run to Chicago this year, but I’m taking two weeks until I see my folks again; they were born in ’40 and ’45, and I’d prefer their deaths be of some workaday circumstance that can’t possibly be traced to my employer’s selfish need that I maintain our great relationship with some company in Cook County.  I’m 55, and my friends run older; someone will get unlucky . . . maybe even me.

 

4/ Which way will money run? My dry cleaner is screwed. Clean jerseys have been cancelled for the season.  Aprons and napkins are less needed.  I just got work-from-home orders, so I’m doing the full Dilbert and don’t need my collars starched all of a sudden.  Will he cancel his man-cave remodel?  Will he lay of half his team?  Will he stay open at all?

 

5/ When do we call the bottom? As Kobe taught us, you can only go so low for so long.  Suppose we enter a new paradigm for a few months:  that would hurt, but eventually things recover.  I’m a bargain hunter and a bone collector, so it’s coming my way; in a dollar-cost-averaging sort of way, pull-backs are a silver lining.  Take housing:  I think it’s over-valued.  Of course, the bubble is pumped up by the government, and who knows how much interfering they’ll do.  So far we’ve already seen some of the heaviest re-financing weeks in history as the Federal Reserve posted an unplanned easing of a half point on top of all-ready nearly-free money (Republicans are the party of money and markets and management and I’m so tired of making fun of DJT45 anymore, but I was told this was the greatest economy ever; also Trump:  rates should be eased . . . go figure).  The refinancing crowd has essentially taken those houses out of the market for a while, and good for them for locking down what they like.  But a bear market and a recession raise the likelihood that prices will fall . . . at some point.  If housing drops 20%, do I upgrade?  Or will further Fed nonsense jack inflation through the roof, erasing the value of the dollars I have faster than the value of homes fall?  Or will the USG announce a $100k bonus for all home purchases the day after my buy closes?

 

6/ Which of the king’s new clothes won’t be there tomorrow? High tides hide old wrecks; we sail over past mistakes and dare not mention their names.  The mediocre and even day-traders can be kings in a rising market.  But if 2020 goes bad and “earnings” dive and dividends evaporate, you can bet that management will want to get a lot of other garbage off the old balance sheet while they’re at it:  it will be slash and burn time.  That merger that isn’t really working out:  write down that goodwill now!  Retained “earnings” a bit exaggerated?  Confess all now:  they can only hang you once.  If your bureau or division or product line or client is the weak sister at work, prepare to be sacrificed.  A few more Hail Marys are a small price for confessing one or two more sins on top of the slate of old trespasses we’ll be getting off our plate this year:  go forth and sin no more . . . once you take all the haircuts you can think of.

 

I want to strike.  I want to buy.  I want bargains.  But I have no idea what time it is.  Efficient Markets Theory says you can’t pick instruments or time changes:  anything might go lower after you think you’ve found the bottom.  That little black dress could go on sale the day after you buy yours.  Or Uncle Powell might mail us all a coupon for 20% off on our next whatever if we wait long enough.  I want to buy . . . . things should go on sale soon . . . but I’ll wait and watch.

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Don escaped Memphis

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525 Comments

  1. Tres Cool

    Wooooooooooo……han!

  2. Yusef drives a Kia

    CONSUME! I want free shit, why not?

  3. SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

    Take housing: I think it’s over-valued.

    Agreed.

    *hopes and prays that the market doesn’t figure it out until late May at the earliest… Next year would be even better*

    • UnCivilServant

      I’m hoping for gentrification between now and when I decide to sell my shoebox.

      But what I’m paying for is someplace to live now not an investment to provide money later.

      Oh, and if I throw my vacation money at the mortgage, it might knock another year off the already abbreviated schedule.

      • Tres Cool

        So I have to use MY vacation to come see you in Meat Post, NY.

        I was easier when you were local.

      • Tres Cool

        /It

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        Freudian slip?

    • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

      It might not apply to you, but if you’re upsizing, a temporary downturn might reduce the price of your new house more than it reduces the equity in your old house.

  4. DEG

    How long and serious is this virus stuff?

    I think the virus won’t be much worse than the flu. The government on the other hand…..

    • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

      On an earnings call that just ended, I heard they think 90% of the Chinese victims are clear already . . . or 90% of operating capacity is back in affected factories. Maybe I should have listened more closely. I definitely heard optimism for one sector.

    • juris imprudent

      The virus is temporary…

  5. SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

    I had a very similar conversation with my dad. He got out of the market a couple months ago, and he’s biding his time, waiting to hop back in. All these questions and more came up. He’s looking to downsize houses, the company he works for will certainly be bankrupted by even a mild downturn. Between his uncertainty and my extending our finances at a very risky time, we were much more focused on the economic impact of this rather than the health impact.

    All questions and no answers from the trashy household. The hope is that the pieces fall into place before the economy falls off a cliff.

    • Nephilium

      My parents just bought a new house. They closed at the end of December. They weren’t planning on putting their old place up for sale (my childhood home) for a couple months. I’m really hoping they had enough liquid after all of that after the market drop.

  6. Nephilium

    DKM just pissed off all those who care about hockey.

    And as to point 1, from information I’ve received, expect at least another two weeks of disruption at a minimum. My work is still WFH for the foreseeable future.

  7. pistoffnick

    7) how many more freedoms will have been incrementally ratcheted down, ever more constricting? If you can impose a ban on free association in order to stop the spread of a virus, what other lesser “emergency” also warrants curfews?

    • Nephilium

      I really hope the bar and restaurant closings have a repercussion here in Ohio. If DeWine even has the fucking balls to stand for election again. I hope he loses. I hope he loses so badly that he can’t even get a sinecure in a political party. I hope he can’t even get a fucking job as a greater at WalMart.

      • C. Anacreon

        I didn’t realize your state’s governor was named DeWine.

        It would be great if his first name is “Spill”.

        Now I’m going to go look up Eric Burdon and War on YouTube.

      • Nephilium

        /looks over the past week about us Ohioians bitching about our governor.

        /shrugs

        /slides C. Anacreon a pour of his choice

      • C. Anacreon

        Thanks!

        This being St. Patrick’s Day, I’ll go for something with a green label.

        Bulliet Rye it is.

      • Nephilium

        /pours one in solidarity.

      • Crusty Juggler

        A good green label: Connemara Irish

      • Nephilium

        Or Tullamore Dew.

      • juris imprudent

        I just finished a dram (or two) of 14 year old TD.

      • Raven Nation

        “Or Tullamore Dew.”

        Also Powers, Red Breast and, umm, sorry, I’m already drunk…

      • Nephilium

        I’ve got some TD that’s only available over in Tullamore. I was actually looking through what I have from Jameson’s on my shelves… which have no Jameson’s right now. In Irish, I’ve got three Tullamores, Writer’s Tears (still my favorite name), two Redbreasts, and Midleton’s.

      • pistoffnick

        Shutting the liquor stores, the parks, the beaches, the malls, gun sales, etc. down seems ridiculous to me.

      • Sean

        It’s punitive, for not panicking the right way.

      • Tres Cool

        Or punitive cause there arent enough dead in the streets yet.

      • hayeksplosives

        What of DeBlasio saying he hasn’t ruled out banning traffic LEAVING NYC.

        On what shred of legal authority or precedent could he do this?

      • Sean

        FYTW?

  8. Sean

    Well, you can rule out deals on ammo for a while.

  9. Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

    When we moved from the Lower Rainland™ back to Edmonton last summer and pocketed a chunk ‘o change from the house sale (Edmonton’s got better housing stock for a lot less money), our financial advisor kept pressing us to take all of the money realized and invest it: “You need that money working for you!” I replied that I was a big proponent of holding back some of our portfolio in case of a long-tail/Black-Swan-type event which could annihilate a significant portion of our portfolio in a matter of days. He was insistent (and persistent) that we give him all of our cash on hand, and I simply shut him down at that point.

    I’m glad I did — our port has lost at least a third of its value in the last two weeks, and if I’d done as he suggested, we’d have no cushion for the many months I foresee the economic contraction/correction lasting. He’s a good guy, but way too invested in the steady-state view of the world that most financial analysts are constantly trying to sell. Shit happens — you need reserve capacity to roll with the punches sometimes.

      • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

        He wanted us to shave our cash-on-hand down to the thinnest possible margin to “increase our returns.” I’ve got Master’s-level training and experience in econ, finance and statistics, and a decent understanding of economic and financial history over the last few centuries. He wasn’t gonna push my “greedy” button no matter how hard he tried, since I’ve lived through several recessions and have noted that all of them have been basically un-forecastable. You have reserve, or you have regrets. The spousal unit and I have made our choice for “reserve.”

      • Nephilium

        That’s my opinion of those who are strongly anti-debt (/waves at trshmnster and Don). If I can lock in the debt at low enough interest rates, I feel better being able to take the extra I could have spent paying it down and splitting it between savings (liquidity) and investment (gains). It’s a short term risk with a long term strategy that works for me.

      • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

        You easily got the best memory of any Glib, so I know you remember these details; also, RC Dean is probably as fussy on this point as I. For the wider record:

        a/ The problem with debt is the ability to repay . . . even at zero interest. Mostly I’m talking about credit cards and cars. If this virus comes to anything, there will be people out there without any job at all and that cool 0% deal from four years ago.

        b/ Nobody’s gotta have a new truck. Housing is different: you’ve gotta live somewhere., and your kids have gotta go to school somewhere. Adjusting for the full risk, you can easily say that paying a little more than rent can often be a good way to build wealth. I’d counsel caution: I don’t believe that kids should being paying interest on the full boat way before kindergarten; I’d be into a starter house until something else is needed and saving the difference in the meanwhile.

        We’re probably not far apart at all.

      • Nephilium

        Just had to wave because I know our opinions differ here man. I’m willing to leverage to a level I feel comfortable. My mortgage has an APR under 4%, average returns on the stock market are above that. To me it makes sense to make the minimum payments, and allow inflation and raises to reduce the payment to me, while the savings increase.

        When I next buy a car, if they offer me a 0% rate, I’ll pay it off as slowly as possible, while having the ability to pay off the note split between savings and and investment account.

        Of course, I have no kids, which reduces risk. And I’d probably push for the homeschooling route and offer to pay my mom (a retired teacher) to whup them.

      • R C Dean

        My view:

        Comparing interest rates to market returns is borrowing to invest.

        Which is fine, as long as you have the reserves to pay the debt service, or, really to pay the debt.

        You’ve gotta come up with the money the hard way or the easy way. The easy way is out of liquid reserves. The hard way is out of hard assets.

        I don’t want to put my hard assets at risk, so no debt for me, regardless of the spread. I’m good leaving that 3% on the table. Not the smart move, I know.

        I’m OK without leverage. YMMV.

  10. Timeloose

    My concern right now is that people are loosing their shit. The media and government have succeeded in scaring the people. They are already acting crazy. My sister watched two people fighting in front of the grocery store this morning. Now tonight I’m dealing with random burglary.

    I went to my MILs house after the alarm went off on the front door. She recently lost her husband to cancer and the mountain house was where he went fishing. She is 2 hours away and we are 30 minutes.

    The wife and I drove up with my rifle and revolver in the car in case they were still around. Thankfully the local security guard was there when we arrived.

    Some D-Gen kicked the door in and split when the alarm went off. The local hero’s said they checked the property and lied. They never showed up.

    I spent the last hour nailing the door back together and securing the house. Now we need to get a real door installed.

    The worst part is my MIL is scared and alone 2 hours away.

    • Sean

      That sucks.

      To clarify, the door was kicked in on an uninhabited house?

      Would a Ring doorbell help with monitoring?

      • Timeloose

        Uninhabited door. I guessing it was being watched. The break in happened at the shift change of the security guard. There were security system signs around the house. Could also be bored kids looking to find a place to hangout and fuxx around.

      • Tundra

        I’m sorry to hear it.

        I wonder, though, if it was drug related. One night after my FIL died (of cancer, which was in the obit), my MIL thought she heard someone outside. I went over and found footprints in the snow, all around the house. Cop told me it was common.

        Wire the house with claymores.

    • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

      people are losing their shit

      Uncertainty with consumers matters. I’ve argued here that we would have been doing even better in the past few years if Donnie would tone it down: incoherent, unpredictable policies like the tariffs leave a CEO scratching his head. RC Dean thought Donnie was rolling the dice on 2020 and would win. I think it’s been a avoidable burden.

      On the other hand, there are upsides to confidence that certain folks have precisely because they did Donnie’s bullshit. Maybe that matters more, but I will admit I’d hate to see that proven with the math.

      • Winston

        incoherent, unpredictable policies

        What are these coherent predictable libertarian policies that should be implemented?

      • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

        changeup over the center of the plate late in the count? Maybe I’m missing something. At the risk of answering a possibly rhetorical question:

        The coherent policy is no interference in the economy, particularly trade, most particularly not implementing stupid tariffs.

        What did you think I meant ?

      • Timeloose

        I agree Trump has created great uncertainty in the world. Tariffs, the unusual rhetoric via Twitter, and his insecurities. The net effect of his actual policies is lost due to his inability to keep his mouth shut.

      • Winston

        You know maybe depending so much on one man is not a good idea? Instead though we will get that Joe Biden is our True God-King

      • Timeloose

        He is still better than our alternative.

        I take Trump over the Hilldog. Our options for the past elections have been poor past the primaries. This is no news to anyone here.

      • Nephilium

        I’m there with you Timeloose.

        There hasn’t been a good choice that I could vote for in my lifetime.

    • DEG

      Sorry.

  11. Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

    * huff huff *

    Back late from a spirited lap by the river.

    FWIW, I wrote this last week. Someone wrote this morning that Monday seemed like a month ago. If some of my questions seem stupid, I was just guessing and spitballing batch then.

    • pistoffnick

      “Back late from a spirited lap by the river.”

      Is that what the kids are calling it these days? ;^)

      • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

        she made me do it!

        2@WFH isn’t really that sexy. She grew up in SAV out on Skidaway and loves her some water, so we live on a backwater lagoon on the Mississippi in a house she built 15 years ago. The cypress are long gone and only cottonwoods remain, but the Mississippi is still the king.

  12. Crusty Juggler

    The good news.

    The articles and the fiction, too!

  13. Sean

    Sanders got trounced in Florida.

    Womp womp.

    • Nephilium

      So Gropey Joe names Sanders as his VP candidate after Sanders announces his transgender status?

      • Sean

        Dude…

      • Nephilium

        What? That gets a mangina on the ticket, which will make it the most important election EVAR!

        Or I’ve been drinking a lot more then usual tonight.

        Or why not both?

      • Tres Cool

        Bernie kinda IS a woman…

      • juris imprudent

        …looks like a lady!

      • Nephilium

        Not since I went from ponytail to shaved head. Though it was always entertaining to have my bearded visage be the first response to a catcall to me from behind.

      • juris imprudent

        You shapely devil.

      • Nephilium

        All of my extra weight has always gone to my gut. That just made it sadder for the people catcalling me (or myself, I’m not quite sure how that works).

  14. Semi-Spartan Dad

    Nice article, Don. I like the new handle.

    I want bargains. But I have no idea what time it is. Efficient Markets Theory says you can’t pick instruments or time changes: anything might go lower after you think you’ve found the bottom.

    My investments are all still sitting tight in 100% equities. It’s been a nasty few weeks, but I have decades to ride it out. This won’t even be a blip by then.

    For bargains, I’m waiting to pull the trigger on oil. I figure this will be a good time to fill up the 550 gallon tank as soon as heating oil falls in line with drop in crude (though of course overhead keeps a minimum on that).

    Also, trying to figure out what to do about student loans. Am aggressively paying off but want to refinance. Was all set to pull the trigger after the rate drop on the 15th (I think the 15th) but waited to sign the paperwork because who knows what would happen next. Well, then the Feds slashed interest rates to effectively zero. Okay, now this seems like a really good time. Then Trump announces interest accrual will be temporarily halted, which I lose if I refinance. 0% sounds pretty good right now. So I’ll sit tight and be ready to jump once things change.

    Who knows, the Feds might even go towards the dark side with negative rates.

    • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

      I change the name when I’m feeling silly, but I hope to stay on brand.

      You can hedge your oil any time. A option probably covers 42,000 gallons: maybe the fixed part would be too much to justify hedging even your entire demand.

    • Nephilium

      No student loans, but I’m planning on ramping up investments while I can. I’ve got at least 20 years before I plan on retiring.

      And I’ve already got an emergency fund and short term plans liquid.

  15. Tulip

    Well, I would like to refinance, but it really needs to drop to be worth it.

    I cancelled my house cleaner. I’ve been thinking of finding someone else anyway, so may not call her back. I cancelled my dog walker (she cancelled as well) because she’s over 60. I’m going to cancel my massage on Saturday.

    Overall, this is saving me money.

    • Nephilium

      I’m stuck working from home for the next several months… which saves me money, but causes more clashes with the girlfriend not understanding I’m working. Can I spend some money for piece of mind?

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        It took about a year for my wife to understand working from home meant working. She would come home and ask why the dishes weren’t done, the laundry wasn’t washed, and the house wasn’t picked up from the rampages of a toddler when “I was home all day”. I would always ask why she didn’t drive home during her workday to do all of these things. Eventually, she got it that I was still working.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        hayeksplosives on March 13, 2020 at 7:54 pm

        I always wore my badge when working from home in order to emphasize to the stepsons that I am “at work” and not yet available.

        I have revived that habit for my husband’s sake as a reminder.

      • R C Dean

        I will absolutely put on a jacket and tie if I ever WFH.

      • Nephilium

        The sad thing is I do my laundry while working from home, and I still do the majority of the cooking (even when I’m not working from home) and cleaning. My rule is pretty simple, if I’m staring at the work laptop, please leave me alone, and realize I’m busy. If I’m talking on my phone, I can’t converse with you also.

      • Tundra

        I moved to the basement.

        It’s not as nice, but it is peaceful!

      • Nephilium

        I have an office.

        The basement is the bar. If things continue, I may take up station there. My work bonuses seem to be random already…

    • Tulip

      I live alone, so… however, the dog and cat turn into sugar hyped toddlers at 1:30 pm and it lasts until 2, 2:15 pm. The cat is pouncing on my foot (his class are SHARP) , the dog is jamming her nose into my ribs, EXACTLY where I’m ticklish. Then they crash and sleep. This cannot go on. I will kill them.

      • Tulip

        Claws, not class. I hate autocorrect

      • Nephilium

        Remove the cat.

        The puppers entertains me by making you giggle.

        /ignore all of this. I have permission to post this from the girlfriend.

      • Tulip

        I love both the cat and dog. I didn’t understand emotional support animals until my dad died. If I’m upset, the dog is upset. If I’m upset, the cat tries to calm me. I’m not getting rid of the cat. He’s earned his spoe

    • RAHeinlein

      It’s interesting to see the frugality mindset in play among professionals – my husband and I were discussing over dinner. People who care about their money…care about their money.

  16. Nephilium

    /DKM song: Nick Jones ate my pudding

    • Nephilium

      Typoed, Mick Jones (it was a Clash reference).

      • DEG

        I wasn’t impressed with the song, but I chuckled at the story.

        Still listening.

      • Nephilium

        I’m mildly annoyed the didn’t end with their two traditional ending songs:

        Spicy McHaggis Jig (all women are allowed on stage)

        and then

        Skinhead on the MBTA (everyone’s allowed on stage)

      • DEG

        “Skinhead on the MBTA”? He must have gotten on at Broadway in Southie.

      • Nephilium

        It’s a song from their first album. From what I know, it’s a local song about someone being stuck on the train, and their wife throwing in a sandwich daily, just changed to 90’s skin terms.

      • DEG

        This one, sometimes known as “Charlie on the MTA”.

      • Nephilium

        DEG: I’ll leave it to you. But this is the traditional ending song for any DKM concert. And anyone who can get on stage is welcomed.

      • Chipwooder

        Did they play Boys on the Docks? That’s my favorite.

      • Nephilium

        Negative.

        /though it starts with your fists it ends with your minds!

    • UnCivilServant

      Something fishy about those pictures.

    • DEG

      #4, #25, #31.

    • blighted_non_millenial

      Uh, #8 has some nice tuna…. Couple ladies have some nice reds too.

    • Chafed

      Not one photo of lobster girl.

    • juris imprudent

      Fuck you, Wolf.

      As a friend likes to say “with a razor-edged dildo coated in ghost pepper sauce”.

      • Sean

        Mmmm…ghost pepper sauce…

    • Timeloose

      Nice. Glad you could restock for the typical Glib weekend.

    • C. Anacreon

      My wife went to BevMo big box liquor store yesterday fearing they would be forced to close soon. Other locals must have felt the same way, she said the store was twice as crowded as during Xmas peaks. Thankfully she managed to procure enough to keep us stocked through the shelter-in-place order (if it doesn’t last too long).

      But why would any politician think closing the liquor stores was a good idea during times like this, when you’re not allowed to go to bars?
      Even the Soviet Union knew that making vodka accessible and super cheap kept revolutions at bay.

      • Rhywun

        Still completely clueless whether Deblasio is going to close the liquor stores. Groceries will be open so I might have to develop a keener liking of beer.

      • Tulip

        Go stock up.

        Sorry about your cat. I still miss my cat that passed more than 8 years ago.

      • Rhywun

        Thanks, Tulip. My other one (Betty) is getting a lot more attention now. Or was. She was all over me yesterday but completely ignoring me today.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        The closure is of “nonessential businesses”. Did They (or Wolf personally) deliberately not include liquor stores as ‘essential’ because They do not like people getting alcohol or did They not include them as ‘essential’ because They simply did not think of them as ‘essential’? This assumes either that They do not partake or else They are getting Theirs from a back channel.

      • Timeloose

        They are state run and owned, so they can do what they want to the liquor stores. The rest of them they have no legal reason to close them. They can recommend owners to close them down but that should be it.

      • J. Frank Parnell

        Huh, the BevMo by me was well stocked and not crowded at all.

      • C. Anacreon

        It really shouldn’t make any difference anyway. In California you can buy liquor in grocery stores and pharmacies, and those won’t be closing.

    • l0b0t

      I’m enjoying some Bonded Old Grandad right now. It makes a nice switch from my usual Wild Turkey 101.

  17. Tundra

    As Kobe taught us, you can only go so low for so long.

    Ouch.

    But nice one!

    • Tres Cool

      Ride with Ted or fly with Kobe- pick one.

      • Tundra

        Senna.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Didn’t make that last turn….

    • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

      As you well know, I’m kind of a dick. That one just sprang forth, and I instantly knew it was tasteless, so I knew all the Glibs would love it.

      • Tundra

        Not kind of.

        It’s why you belong here! Thanks for the article!

  18. Tres Cool

    My best friend works at a hospital and (aside from the obvious jokes) I asked him, ” do you know anyone that’s sick?”

    He said, “nope”.

    • Sean

      Coming home tonight,the kids not in school, were playing outisde. Together. The horror.

      I almost called the cops. Almost. ?

      • Tres Cool

        Someone really needs to teach them ‘ring around the rosie’ just for lulz

    • Nephilium

      My sister works at the Cleveland Clinic. So far we’re both more concerned about our parents then us.

      • Tres Cool

        SLD- my friend is a maint supervisor (ME, PE) so he encounters all sorts of people. He’s in charge of clean rooms, positive pressure containment, etc. I still felt it a valid question.

  19. Crusty Juggler

    If anyone asks please let them know I AM essential.

    thank you.

    • UnCivilServant

      Essential employees need to go into the office to be infected.

  20. IntraveneousWoodChipper

    Prog media: “Trump is trying to make himself dictator and take over the country!”

    Also prog media: “Why won’t that idiot Trump take over the country so we can stop corona virus?”

    RHEEEEEEEE

    • Winston

      Simple: Joe Biden is the dictator we need.

    • Winston

      Also this is proof that libertarianism has failed. Either Trump is Not Doing Enough which means laissez faire will kill us or he is an authoritarian which proves that laissez faire is hypocritical nonsense that no one believes in.

      • leon

        Huh?

      • Winston

        Sorry I was referring the leftist take on the Coronavirus, not my personal opinion,

      • leon

        ahh. Ok. That makes sense

      • Tejicano

        And the hook to the entire leftist view is that there is no “or” in the above statement. It is both things simultaneously.

  21. Raven Nation

    OK, so I’ve been drinking. But I can’t see the connection between the Tom Paine pic & the article.

    • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

      sorry/guilty: I promise you it wasn’t ego

      It was a tenuous bridge: These are the times that just jumped at me.

      I didn’t promise it would be a real essay; I kinda promised it wouldn’t be a real essay. My best pamphlet-writing days are probably behind me.

      • Raven Nation

        “These are the times that”

        *reviews essay*

        OK, I’ll allow this.

        Contextual quote: “These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

  22. Sean

    I hope we get this shit sorted out before Baconfest 2020.

    https://pabaconfest.com

    Mark your calendars.

    • DEG

      Marked.

      I expect there will be some new freak-out by then. Kinda close to the election you know.

      • Tres Cool

        They’re *adjusts foil hat* testing our tolerance with this one.
        The next one will be bigger, and more Martial Law-ish. Trudeau Sr. proved it can get done.

        /watches InfoWars

      • DEG

        Heh.

        I actually don’t think it is that far-fetched anymore.

      • l0b0t

        +1 Jade Helm II: Greener & More Helmety!

      • Hyperion

        The orange plague?

    • AlmightyJB

      Only one state over and still 7 hours and 40 minutes from me.

      • DEG

        So it’s a long weekend trip.

      • AlmightyJB

        Well we’ve talked about doing a Philly, DC, NY trip before, so add bacon to that:)

      • Tres Cool

        I can roll over to Indiana before the flu shuts it down like DST.

      • AlmightyJB

        It’s shut down. My wife’s there now.

    • Sean

      I don’t get it and it’s ugly as hell.

    • Tejicano

      If it’s going to be that big and heavy (compared to a regular handgun) why not do it in a major caliber? The advantage the 9X19mm brings is being compact enough to get a bunch in a small-ish handgun but not so much recoil that most people can handle it. If they’re going to pump up the overall envelope to such dimensions I’d prefer at least a 10mm or 45 ACP.

      • AlmightyJB

        My Uzi Carbine is in .45 but 9mm ammo is cheap and everywhere. If you carry a Glock 9 in your belt, having your Carbine use the same mags has its advantages.

      • l0b0t

        An Uzi in .45? I hope it’s not too heavy

  23. Hyperion

    This might be the world’s last pandemic. Enjoy while it lasts, I’m sure they’ll come up with worse crisis to exploit in the future.

    • AlmightyJB

      0 deaths in Ohio, 3 in surrounding states, and we’re practically under Martial Law. It’s total bullshit.

      • Hyperion

        1 known case in Baltimore City so far. Zero deaths. Out of 700,000 residents. Difficult to buy potatoes, all schools closed and most restaurants closed by 6PM. Yet most people you see when you’re out seem completely calm.

        How does this stack up against past pandemics? And how does the reaction scale?

      • Hyperion

        Someone else here asked the question, but really I do not, or barely at all, remember SARS, MERS, or H1N1. I think they were all much more deadly, we had less tech to deal with them, and yet there was no comparable freakout.

      • leon

        I remember SARS, Bird Flu, and H1N1, but i was in High School/ Junior High for all of those, and so much more impressionable about hysteria as a kid. IIRC my parents never seemed upset about it.

      • AlmightyJB

        That’s because there wasn’t a freakout.

        “From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.”

      • Hyperion

        Yeah, the ‘Trump could lose the election because of this!’ articles being cranked out 24/7 right now might be a clue that the media are stirring up the overblown reaction.

        You don’t have an electable candidate to run? Scare the sheeple!

      • Winston

        I wonder why that is. Is Coronavirus a lot worse? Is it social media? Is it Trump?

      • Hyperion

        Snowflake culture?

      • AlmightyJB

        I think just the mainstream media in general. They were already in a 24/7 state of spaz before.

      • Winston

        Interesting that freedom, modern technology and prosperity bread that snowflake culture, a culture totally unprepared for any actual problem. A cynic might say that this is exactly what the public schools and universities want.

      • kinnath

        Swine flu, bird flu, SARS, MERS, Legionaires, and on and on and on.

        There have been many scary outbreaks in my life.

        This is the first time we have started shutting down the country.

        So why this time?

        The media have been driving it. But why? Could be plain old greed (ratings drive money). Or it could be political shenanigans (getting rid of Trump). Why not both?

        Yeah, why not both.

      • Hyperion

        “So why this time?”

        We’ve got to get rid of bad orange man, it’s our last chance.

      • kinnath

        I have repeatedly posted that only the economy can defeat Trump this fall.

        I actually fear that the media handling of the corvid-19 outbreak is part of plot to get rid of Trump.

        I seriously do not want to believe that. But I can’t shake it either.

      • Winston

        Considering the shit that the next Dem president will pull that the next Republican president will not repeal yet the MSM will still pillory as a libertarian radical makes this very frightening…

      • Rhywun

        The freakout is international. I can’t pin this on some form of TDS.

      • Tres Cool

        Sure ya can. Take a trip with me to AlexJonesLand….they want it all burnt down. To the core. Then to rebuild with only a gov’t in power! They’ll save you- go to their breadlines. Get food with your ration card. Out West, they’re growing grain thats in your bread. Stay with it, gospodin.

      • Hyperion

        “A cynic might say that this is exactly what the public schools and universities want.”

        Universities are still doing some serious work, but there’s so much bullshit watering it down. I can’t remember who said it, but it’s very true that they’re churning out a bunch of ‘professional grant writers’.

        Most of my work the past decade plus has been very connected to academic research, so I sort of know what I’m talking about. I’ve seen and heard all of it, so I can make a good call.

      • Winston

        Well the problem is that the Commie and SJW professors have been percolating in the Universities for decades and only just now are we seeing their effects on society, culture and politics. How much influence does those who do Serious Work have?

      • Hyperion

        “How much influence does those who do Serious Work have?”

        In the hard sciences, STEM, a lot. Unfortunately, the pseudo science bullshit is taking over and consuming a terrifying amount of academic resources.

      • Winston

        What do you mean by “pseudoscience”?

      • Hyperion

        And it’s not only that, but their ability to silence anyone who dares call them out on their bullshit.

        Our future as a sentient civilization is in grave danger. Seriously.

      • Hyperion

        “What do you mean by “pseudoscience”?”

        23 genders. Do you want more?

      • Winston

        Do you want more?

        See any good “Science and Math are White Supremacy” articles?

      • Rhywun

        1 known case in Baltimore City so far. Zero deaths. Out of 700,000 residents.

        814 cases and 7 deaths in NYC.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        Last what was officially a pandemic: US had 55,000,000 to 60,000,000 infected, 260,000 to 270,000 hospitalized, 11,000 to 13,000 dead. Even allowing for population growth, similar numbers would still rank COVID-19 low on causes of death. Current mortality rate figures for COVID-19 are only valid if you can point to somewhere with decent health care that also had mass testing.

      • Hyperion

        Cuomo is talking about ‘shelter in place’. Really? How do you shelter in place when you need to go out and get groceries for your family?

        Wonder why that fuckstick looks so much like a mafioso boss? Because that’s basically what he is.

      • juris imprudent

        Fredo’s competent brother, amirite?

      • Tres Cool

        shame to see something happen to that bodega, Apu….

      • Tres Cool

        See above. This is just a test to see how much we’ll tolerate before people start getting shot in the name of ‘public safety’.

      • AlmightyJB

        I agree. Test run.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      My Granson wants a T shirt that say
      “I survived the Great TP shortage of 2020”
      He’s 11

      • Hyperion

        That’s epic.

    • juris imprudent

      You want a crisis to contemplate? A replay of the Carrington Event. Personally, I put the die-off at 90% of humanity inside of 6 months.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        Install a Faraday cage around your house and have a backup car inside. That should help. And hope that it hits at what is night for your time zone.

      • juris imprudent

        Faraday cage around the house, yeah, that’s feasible. Besides, no grid delivering electricity even if your own stuff wasn’t fried.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        You are welcome.

      • Winston

        Another Carrington Event would be very very bad. Ironic that our own tech makes us so vulnerable…

  24. leon

    All good questions.

    3/ Who will disappear? Let’s say three million Americans get this and 1% die:

    I think this is a good question 30,000 Dead seems like an actually reasonable (if high IMO) statistic. But even with those numbers for some this will be something they always remember. For most, this will be something that happened and really didn’t have a long term effect on them.

    • Hyperion

      It seems difficult to get real statistics, but from what I’ve seen so far, I think the actual mortality rate in the US is more like .02% at this point.

      • Jarflax

        We’ll have an accurate assessment of mortality and spread in a year. Right now every number is based on too little data to mean a damn thing.

      • AlmightyJB

        Yeah, and we’ll also have UK and Germany to look at who to this point had not done much at all about it. Germany has very low death rate. We’ll see though.

      • Hyperion

        Yeah, Germany is about 10x lower than us so far. But demographics, racist, but real.

      • The Last American Hero

        I’m basically at ground zero and they aren’t testing anyone unless they are at the hospital and presenting all 3 symptoms. The mortality rate will thus be goosed. Significantly.

      • Tundra

        What are the three symptoms?

      • Donation Not Taxation

        Tier I: cough, fever, and shortness of breath

        Tier II: muscle pain, sore throat, sputum production

        Tier II symptoms are not as common as Tier I among COVID-19-positive. However, Tier II symptoms in addition to Tier I make it more likely the patient has it.

      • Tundra

        Thanks. That’s helpful.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        You are welcome. There are also the asymptomatic …

  25. leon

    Or Uncle Powell might mail us all a coupon for 20% off on our next whatever if we wait long enough. I want to buy . . . . things should go on sale soon . . . but I’ll wait and watch

    I bought a lot today. I might be high up on the downard trough, but on my timeframe, this is just a blip, and now is as cheep as it’s been in over a year so….

      • leon

        I know right? As long as were just spending 1.2 trillion dollars, why not just suspend income taxes?

        Oh i know, because that wouldn’t help the people who don’t pay….

      • RAHeinlein

        DJT and Mnuchin (among others were for this). Dems wouldn’t go for it for reasons you state, and they will never acknowledge. Payroll tax reductions, enhanced unemployment benefits only work for those who pay.

    • Florida Man

      I hoping to pickup cruise lines, airlines, rental cars, hotels and theme parks. I’m not buying until Monday because I want to be on a real computer with reliable internet.

      • l0b0t

        Flights to NOLA from NYC dropped from $300 last week to $100 now.

  26. leon

    I might write an article (provocatively) titled: Why i’m not taking coronavirus Seriously mostly as a response to (no one here) people who have accused me or others like me of downplaying the virus.

    • juris imprudent

      Downfall might just have one more take left in it.

    • Donation Not Taxation

      Also saw that. Second the recommendation.

      • DEG

        Thirded.

    • Donation Not Taxation

      Also saw that. Second the recommendation. Except for calling it: crony capitalism

  27. RAHeinlein

    Great article, Don – thanks for posting.

  28. J. Frank Parnell

    Ugh, school closure is being extended for another week. Now the kids aren’t going back until April 13 at the earliest.

  29. Fourscore

    Maybe the older folks here remember the Milk Carton Kids (not the band, the real milk carton kids). There were reports that 1.5 million, yeah, million missing kids in the US. Obviously most got home safely the same day, some were with non-custodial parents, very, very few were actually abducted. Today when one little kid goes missing its national headlines. 35 years ago every parent’s greatest fear was that someone was gonna kidnap their kid. Whatever happened to that national epidemic of stolen kids? It died, like all the other fear mongering BS and CV is gonna disappear when the money runs out.

    60K Americans died in VN. Almost everyone knew of someone or a family whose loved had been killed. Every small town high school lost a few of the graduates. Now we are fighting the war of CV, how long will it be before we know someone that has actually had it or dies from it? I’m guessing a very long time.

    We’re seeing another Milk Carton Kid episode, only this time its costing us big time, both in money and freedom.

    • Hyperion

      “Milk Carton Kids”

      LATCH KEY KIDS, MRS GARRETT, LATCH KEY KIDS!

    • Tundra

      Thanks, Fourscore.

      You’re right, of course. Freakouts and their friends the Clampdowns are such a huge part of government and media.

      This is getting tiresome.

    • J. Frank Parnell

      Whatever happened to that national epidemic of stolen kids?

      It spawned a generation of helicopter parents doing everything they could to keep their kids safe from the world and, in turn, a generation of “adults” who never learned that sometimes shit happens and don’t have the necessary skills to cope with adversity and instead demand that school administrators, employers, and the government step take over from their parents and keep them safe?

      • RAHeinlein

        I don’t see the “kids” as the problem here, but OK Boomer.

    • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

      I’ve got half your adult experience. In that time I’ve seen some weird national obsessions.
      a/ UFO
      b/ swamp things, big footed things, blobby things, pod things
      c/ ESP
      d/ bending spoons with one’s brain
      e/ mass murderers
      f/ invading Asia
      g/ race
      h/ political correctness
      i/ professional wrestling
      j/ clan Kennedy
      k/ M * A * S * H
      l/ magnet bracelets
      m/ Chia pets
      n/ pet rocks
      o/ hair driers
      p/ uggs
      q/ shoulder pads
      r/ erasable ink
      s/ Boggle
      t/ find-a-word
      u/ simulated wood paneling . . . . on cars
      v/ hot-rodded vans
      w/ nunchucks
      x/ Pez
      y/ John Travolta
      z/ leg warmers

      That was easy: a few seconds. It’s a weird country.

      • straffinrun

        What a list. The boom here is Tapioca. I can’t figure out that one for the life of me.

      • Fourscore

        Never underestimate the American public but those things were harmless.

      • Tres Cool

        You forgot “Mood Rings”

        DIE BOOMER!

      • Gender Traitor

        “We just got a request for this one from Tres going out to….Jugsy??”

      • Tundra

        Such a good show.

        Thank you Mr. Digby.

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        I always loved that line.

        And yes it was.

        And and, you’re welcome.

      • Mojeaux

        k, q, s, t, w, x, z

    • Nephilium

      Some of us younger kids dealt with the D&D crises and satanic cults.

      I had to argue with one my nuns in the fucking 90’s that RPG’s weren’t satanic. And I used references like Toon or TF2V.

      • Don escaped Dr Nurse FirstWife PhD

        I think the West Memphis Three were convicted of murder for having bad attitudes and worse hair-cuts.

        If you see something, say something !

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        Hey!–people…GOOD people don’t dress like ‘at if they ain’t up to sumthin’!

    • Hyperion

      To me, the most interesting thing about the LewRockwell clan, is that they are still in BWI airpost every time I go there. I mean when I could still go there before people drank too much Corona beer and caused the plague.

    • Chipwooder

      …..and I have no reason to doubt the Chinese on this

      Hoooo-kay, we’re done here

      • Hyperion

        Yeah, no doubt, commie dictators tell no lies.

    • Raven Nation

      Ugh, Lew Rockwell. I like some of his stuff, but he appears to be a conspiracy theorist at heart.

      • Winston

        He’s big on the anti-vaccination and anti-HIV train.

      • Tundra

        Uh, who is not anti-HIV?

      • Winston

        I mean “HIV doesn’t cause AIDS”.

      • Jarflax

        Rockwell is anti-HIV in the sense of not believing HIV is related to AIDS.

      • Tundra

        Ewww.

      • Tres Cool

        they also call that p0x pr0n

        Come at me.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        That was just 1 of many posted today.

    • straffinrun

      Nothing like a “gut feeling”, is there? That is one of those things that you better have your ducks in row before putting it out in the public.

    • Winston

      “I have zero proof other than my gut feeling”

      Convincing.

      Check out the two articles preceding it. How…pessimistic.

      • juris imprudent

        The only thing lacking was “here, put on this tinfoil hat before we talk”.

    • Jarflax

      The Saker is Pravda. I mean it is literally a Russian propaganda outlet. I used to subscribe to a couple of crazy newsfeed services including ICH just for the amusement value, and The Saker was a common source.

    • Winston

      Interesting how the articles go run the gamut from “Overblown to justify police state” to “Everything will collapse”.

    • leon

      Add this to my list of libertarian pet peeves

  30. creech

    Hey kids, if these current (and, one hopes, temporary) restrictions on your lifestyle are annoying, you might want to rethink what The Green New Deal will be like. No Spring Break vacations, no Semesters Abroad, no “unessential” travel…..forever, not just for weeks.

    • Winston

      Are you kidding? Global Warming is Coronavirus times 1000000000000000. No time to waste!

  31. Juvenile Bluster

    In the closest county for the Democratic primary in Florida, Biden’s winning by about 21%. Turns out carrying water for communist nations doesn’t go over well here.

    • Chipwooder

      Florida also tends to be more forgiving of senility, another big plus for Biden.

    • The Last American Hero

      So how many days until Bernie endorses Joe like the good little bitch he is?

  32. straffinrun

    Thanks, Don. Who doesn’t love a good question better than a good answer?

    • Tundra

      Hitler?

      • straffinrun

        No fair. That is actually the correct answer. Third Reich Jeopardy! Frame your answer in the form of a solution.

      • Tundra

        “Who is straffin’s favorite answer, Hitler?

      • straffinrun

        I’ll take potent potables for $6 million.

      • Tundra

        Not AnalBumCovers?

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        SWords for 400, Alex.

      • Tejicano

        ” Frame your answer in the form of a solution.”

        But that’s only in the final round.

      • straffinrun

        Man. You guys are on fuego tonight. (morning).

    • Tres Cool

      Noine. Eleven.

    • juris imprudent

      Plato learned that answers may be shadows while questions were pure poison.

  33. straffinrun

    I’ll throw in another question thanks to HM link: What part of the pandemic do you think the government is lying about? Clearly, China has been lying it’s ass off, but what about the US?

    • RAHeinlein

      Hardcore tinfoil hat – this virus has a racial bias.

      • Tejicano

        Yeah, I’ve been trying to figure out if that might be the case. The Avian flu only killed people of Han Chinese ancestry. I can see that the Pooh flu is infecting anybody regardless of race but some of the worst cases – young, seemingly healthy people dying of it – seem to have happened in China or to Chinese.

      • RAHeinlein

        I don’t see the regardless of race component. Given the timeline, I would have anticipated that once introduced to developing nations we would see insane infection/mortality rates in those regions, but that hasn’t been the case.

      • UnCivilServant

        How much testing is even being done there?

      • Tundra

        Geez. I just hope my mongrel genetics fight off anything. I’m like the opposite of the Master Race.

        Plus Scottish.

        Did your kid get kid get kicked out of school?

      • RAHeinlein

        Yes, today was the last day of real classes. All online until end of semester and through their May term.

      • Tundra

        Sorry to hear that. It really sucks.

        The financial impact of this will be interesting.

        Are we paying huge money for face-to-face and the ‘experience’? Will we be refunded?

      • RAHeinlein

        I’ve had multiple communications regarding the refund issue – no refund “too late in the semester”

        What angers me most is the lack of refunds for students who paid extra fees for a study abroad May term (my son isn’t impacted), and will neither study abroad nor receive a refund.

        Regarding the face-to-face (and yes, like you, we pay big $$), the hardcore math courses are my son’s biggest concern. He’s not taking them to get a grade – these are part of a legitimate curriculum and impact professional testing.

      • Tundra

        So, just so I understand, we won’t be getting any accommodation for the fact the kids won’t be in the fucking school?

        Yeah, I know the answer but this is silly. I am one of those people who liked the kid being away at college. I think being in a classroom and being amongst others is definitely a net positive. But if you take that away?

        This all sucks.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Online instruction can be meaningful and a good experience. However, many institutions are going to half-ass this because of being rushed, a lack of experience among faculty on how to teach online, and a lack of institutional support for online delivery. As such, many people’s first experience with online instruction will be negative, unfortunately.

      • Tundra

        I have no problem with growing pains, HM.

        Any thoughts on how we should proceed?

      • Tundra

        I appreciate you sharing that HM.

        This place rocks.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        My pleasure.

      • l0b0t

        HM, thank you for sharing this. My kids’ schools, well the whole NYC system really, seems prepared to do nothing but drop the ball when it comes to distance learning.

      • Tejicano

        “I don’t see the regardless of race component.”

        I mean this as, it is able to infect anybody regardless of race. At this point I can’t say if it seems to be more potent in some races vs others – Iran seems to be getting hit hard although other non-East Asian populations don’t seem to spread it as quickly. I’ve heard an explanation which would explain this but I don’t think we have enough of the picture yet.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        The Avian flu only killed people of Han Chinese ancestry.

        ?

        I was in Thailand when they had the H5N1 outbreak of ’04. More than just Han people died.

      • leon

        Aren’t we all of Han ancestry? I mean he lived a long long time ago.

      • juris imprudent

        Just because he shot first.

      • Tejicano

        Maybe it was just BS but I heard that those who died in Thailand were either Chinese or locals who had some underlying medical conditions.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Granted, there is a lot of admixture in the population, but those who died were out in the jungle and more likely to have Khmer ancestry than anything.

      • Tejicano

        I had not heard about that. I believe you on this as I didn’t have any information in that detail.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Well, I’m basing this on my memories of like 15 years ago. Demographically, Chinese-Thai are found in Bangkok and the central region and in Chiang Mai and the north. If I remember correctly, the outbreak started in the East and Northeast, where you have the more darker-complected Thais of Mon-Khmer heritage.

      • Tres Cool

        darker COMPLEXIONED

        “complected” isnt a word like you use it

      • Rhywun

        Huh. I didn’t know there was a debate over these words. Honestly, I never even made the connexion between them.

      • Tundra

        I used ‘complected’ before it was cool.

    • Jarflax

      The part where shutting down the country will save lives?

    • Chafed

      That the government has any ability to affect financial markets.

  34. Nephilium

    Good night you magnificent bastards. Punk Rock Bowling has been pushed back to fall in downtown Las Vegas, so I may head out there then.

    • Tundra

      Good night, Neph!

      Bedtime music.

    • DEG

      ‘Night

  35. Winston

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-canadian-governments-arent-overreacting-to-coronavirus-and-thats-a-bad-thing/amp

    Given the possibility of an Italy-style worst-case scenario in Canada or any of its provinces, we should overreact now and revise later. Governments could make a point of publicly revisiting all the various restrictions, say, during a weekly press conference. Public health officials could explain why each measure is being enhanced, maintained or reduced. This would help bring some order to a public communications process that has been a bit scattershot thus far, and also seek to allay concerns among citizens about the necessity and efficacy of the various measures.

    In short, it’s time to accept the fact that the countries around the world that have handled this pandemic the best are the ones that responded aggressively and quickly. Due to the lag time in diagnosis and case confirmation, our government officials are probably only able to respond, on a day to day basis, to information that’s already days out of date. It’s time to start projecting forward a week or so and adjusting our posture to what we fear we could be dealing with then. This will be disruptive and costly. But it may also save thousands of lives.

    • Not Another Naked Digby

      Boy, that last name sure is apropos, given his boot-licking.

  36. straffinrun

    Run this video backwards, and you have my 20’s.

  37. Tulip

    I’ll heading out for supplies tomorrow. Before I go, I’ll get a list from my neighbor. Fuck those that say libertarians don’t help anyone else.

    • Tundra

      Of course some libertarians help others. All the time.

      It’s just voluntary, baby!

      Oh, and thank you for being that kind of person!

      • Tres Cool

        Glibs in need are Glibs indeed,

    • Tulip

      I keep seeing that on the leftist blogs I read, and it pisses me off.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        Would you have less negative emotion moments in your life if you read less “leftist blogs”?

      • Tulip

        Yes, but if I don’t know what they are thinking, I can’t formulate rebuttals

    • slumbrew - double secret satan

      Mr. “I invented e-mail”? He seems like a kook.

      A smart kook, but a kook.

      • Aus

        Yeah maybe… interesting fella but definitely some red flags.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Poor Nanny Fine.

  38. straffinrun

    Kim Foxx easily won her primary. Good job, Chicago!

    • Tres Cool

      Samantha Foxx had better t0ts.

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        And, Oz Fox has better chops.

  39. Chipwooder

    It ain’t the coronavirus of dread, but this stomach bug I picked up from my son, who had it a few days ago, really fucking sucks. I believe I’ve spent about 3 of the last 4 hours on the throne with some very unhappy intestines.

      • Tundra

        Judging from quad/adductor development and overall demeanor, that chick is a hockey player.

        Thanks, Q!

      • slumbrew - double secret satan

        Links 2 & 3 are both pretty great.

        Barely have time for Glibs right now – I feel badly that I haven’t had time to read the “Doctor” post, since I am a prime offender, but between dog circling the drain and wife home because of Wuhan virus, time has been short.

        But not too short for tiddys.

      • Tundra

        Sorry about your pup and your space.

        I work a home a lot, but it’s just me and the dog. 3 other people fucks it up majorly.

        Any update on the dog?

      • slumbrew - double secret satan

        For background: CT showed lots of masses in her lungs, presumably metastatic lung cancer due to suspected hemangiosarcoma (cancer of the lining of the blood vessels – only dogs get it).

        Prognosis was “days to weeks”, as of a week ago.

        She’s acting like nothing’s wrong, but her breathing is a bit labored from time to time. We’re just trying to keep her happy until we have to make a tough call.

        The plus side of the wife being home for the next 6 weeks or so is that we get maximum time with dog.

        Downside of the virus freak-out is that we may not be allowed to be with the dog when we make the final call, which will be incredibly hard.

      • Rhywun

        Aw – best wishes for doggie

      • Tundra

        I’m really sorry.

        Don’t worry about the fucking virus. All the vets I know are stand-up people and will do what’s right, despite the ‘rules’.

        Enjoy your time with the pup.

        All the best slumbrew.

      • Chafed

        So sorry your dog is on hospice. It’s great there isn’t any pain. Enjoy the time you have left.

      • Chafed

        I had coronavirus but I looked at this picture and was cured.

    • Donation Not Taxation

      Considering how political The Coronavirus has become, how much do you trust data and/or studies based on Wuhan involving COVIS-19 patients?

      • Donation Not Taxation

        COVID, not COVIS

      • Chafed

        The study is from China so not at all.

      • slumbrew - double secret satan
      • slumbrew - double secret satan
      • slumbrew - double secret satan
      • Chafed

        Not Q worthy.

      • Rhywun

        Love Aimee

      • slumbrew - double secret satan

        Your jib, I enjoy the cut of.

        I still listen to “I’m With Stupid” on the regular – such a great album.

      • Rhywun

        This still holds up.

        No kidding!

      • Tulip

        I find that song painful because it is too close to the truth for me.

      • Tundra

        Same. Had a girlfriend in college who turned me on to her.

      • Chafed

        Best of the bunch.

  40. Ownbestenemy

    Sf says ” we need to shelter-in-place for 15 days”

    Nevada “hold my beer…30 days or more” fuck off.

    You made the order, now enforce it you piece of shit.

    • Rhywun

      I’m not buying any of the so-called end-dates.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Me neither. Apparently I cant even go see my sister in OC, Cali…according to some reports about their shelter in place order.

    • Tejicano

      While Duarte puts Manila on lockdown. From what I’ve heard it feels like Marcos era martial law,

    • Tres Cool

      Like I already posted- they’re just testing to see what they can get away with before people start shooting back.
      The whole exercise is PenTest. Its been done already with gas prices. (note they’re down right now)

  41. Yusef drives a Kia

    I’m prepping, for my next project,
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/iCnKKDi8F9mVGb2P7
    Actually, I only need to make a beer run Tomorrow, Rain will fuck up golf, so the toy shop is open,

    • Tejicano

      Hey Yusef! In what general vicinity are you located these days? I admit I’ve lost track – heard you might be in the area of Vegas?

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Bullhead City AZ, 30 miles north of Needles CA off the 40, and 100 miles South of Vegas on SR95, 32 miles west of Kingman on the 93,
        on the River,

      • Tejicano

        I’m planning a road trip – not fixed yet because it depends on what military flight I get on – but I might be driving down through that way in a couple weeks.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        It’s real nice here right now and will be for another month or so, drop by…….

      • Tejicano

        I’ll keep you in the loop. The whole world is changing day-to-day but this trip has to happen. And my first destination is Phoenix so your area would be a good place to pull over for the evening.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I have space and a clean shower, lemme know, it’s very quiet in my neighborhood, as long as I don’t turn up,

  42. Yusef drives a Kia

    Nevada Made Marijuana just texted me to tell me, online ordering only, unless you are a senior citizen, imagine that……………

  43. Tundra

    Fighting the Slant Sicks means getting enough sleep.

    I hope to see at least some of youbehind the wall.

    See ya.

    • Rhywun

      YAAAAASSS

      • Rhywun

        That led me to the other one I remember, “Blood and Roses”. So good. I never investigated them or anything but damn those are two really good tracks.

      • Rhywun

        Yeap.

    • Chafed

      I saw The Smithereens five times. Fun shows all.

    • l0b0t

      Yay! That’s just what I hoped it would be. Does anyone else think the singer looks like Taylor Negron?

  44. Mojeaux

    I honestly don’t know how this could make my situation worse. Mr. Mojeaux can’t work from home (thank heavens!) because his department deals in dead-tree paper, so it’s not like they can find out if anybody over there is dispensable. My formatting work is picking up, but how long will that last? Dunno. I’m most interested in what it will do to the housing market. I’ll be in the market to rent within the year. Will it be cheaper than it is now? More expensive? If everybody who’s living paycheck to paycheck or barely making a profit default on their loans ($1,000 ain’t gonna fix that), there are going to be lots of foreclosures to process. Again.

    So… ?‍♀️

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      A grand a Month would pay my rent and utilities, at least until Summer, and yes I saw what you wrote and agree, it’s not pretty, but I’ll take the money right now,

      • Mojeaux

        Yeup. I’m not going to turn my nose up at “free” money since the alternative is never going to happen.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Some years back, I got a great job and called up to quit food stamps, they didn’t want me to, fuckers, but I did and it felt good to buy food and pay with 100 dollar bills instead of a card. But why not use the the resources the Gov provides at times like these, it’s not like there’s a panic or something…

      • Tres Cool

        what- ya gonna send it back?

        HEY MOTHFUCKIN YUFUS!

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        WHAT THE FUCK IS UP! TRES!
        /SHORT CANS !!!!!!!

      • Tulip

        If they’re giving it away, of course I’ll take it. I have different preferences, but it won’t happen.

      • l0b0t

        #metoo

        $1000 looks really, really, really good right now. Hell, I’d sign an indenture right now for enough dosh to get me out of NYC and back to NOLA.

    • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

      Short term, the market will be hot as everybody takes advantage of the low rates. Long term, the slow economy will catch up, and there are a lot of people who are overextended.

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        So, you’re saying that, if one wants a ‘career’ in the repo business, one should seek employment now, so as to be well-seasoned for the eventual uptick in business?

    • Tejicano

      Yeah, unless there’s some kind of mortgage/rent/taxes postponement and/or debt freeze scheme coming up a lot of people are going to be falling off the edge. (None of that would help me over here) I had a number of really good projects in the pipeline and everything is on hold. I’m hoping for some good news next week but not counting on it.

    • Mojeaux

      Serious question: Back in 2008, when so many homes were foreclosed upon, where did those people go to live once they were kicked out? Did the rents go up?

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        in Cali, that’s when things went tits up….

      • Chafed

        Apartments, double up in existing homes, and/or move in with family.

  45. mrfamous

    The Mayor of Phoenix has ordered all bars and restaurants closed as of 8 PM tonight. People are dying all over the state of Arizona. Not from the coronavirus of cousre, still at 0 deaths and holding on that count, but dying nonetheless. Something had to be done!

    • Not Another Naked Digby

      ::Ahem::

    • slumbrew - double secret satan

      1. We must do something!
      2. This is something.
      3. We must do this!

    • Tres Cool

      FUCK OFF TULPA!

      And Im tellin ya- this is a test to see what you’ll put up with

      /adjusts foil to get Chan 45

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I just realized I replied to a Tulpa, thanks for the Heads up Dicknose!

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        “Heads up Dicknose” Is an awesome…

        What the hell would that be?? Album title? New frat game?

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Ask Tres, it’s his thing, I’m just plagiarizing,

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        TRES?! Can ya stop Tulpa-ing for a few, and help us figure out what “Heads up Dicknose” would be, please?

        Porn series?
        Awful new frat game?
        Someone’s memoirs?
        New greeting for the Gang on IASIP?

      • mrfamous

        What am I gonna do? The only thing I can do is hang in Scottsdale, which apparently hasn’t thrown in the towel yet.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Look Tulpa, you lit the AZ light, so you get a pass, just don’t talk shit about our traditions like some other guy did….

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      0 cases in Mohave County
      /love the sticks

    • Chafed

      Jeez. In SoCal you can at get take out.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Pretty soon you run out of other people……

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        Based on how she’s acting, we may soon ‘run out of’ her….greedy little shit, tryna blackmail us…

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Believe me, Fuck Her and her ilk, it’s the people she expects to finance this shit that run out of money then?
        CORONA AND LIME DEATH!!!!!!!!

    • Rhywun

      NYT. ?

    • Chafed

      Is this serious or mocking lefties?

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        I kinda hope a thorough mocking made it through the NYT “defenses”. But, nope:

        By Mariah Mitchell
        Ms. Mitchell works for multiple driving and food delivery gig apps.

      • Chafed

        FFS. If she gets a guaranteed wage then so do I. I’m older, smarter, and more important so it will be many multiples of hers’. No doubt she’ll think that’s fair.

      • hayeksplosives

        Credentialed journalist!

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        Ugh! A step down from food delivery.

        😉

    • straffinrun

      What about me!

    • Not Another Naked Digby

      Man, I was just about to go looking for that version! You da man, Yu!

      And, I ain’t sick (so, no). Although, I am only open for bidness on Saturdays.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I like Dick Cheese, there I said it,
        And yes, I am Da Man, old Women piss there Depends when I walk Bella at the Park,

    • Not Another Naked Digby

      Part of me wants to say that it’s not worth shooting a bitch over toilet paper.

      Then again, how are people gonna learn not to fuck with things that don’t belong to them?

      • Chafed

        Let’s compromise with a thorough beating.

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        Indubitably! ?

  46. straffinrun

    Old people everywhere. Playground teeming with children. Toilet paper in the stores. Businesses open. I don’t know what everybody is complaining about.

    • Chafed

      Are there reported cases of CV in Japan?

      • straffinrun

        Of course. We’ve had it about a month longer than you all.

      • Rhywun

        I hope that’s our future in a month – it sounds nice.

      • Chafed

        From your lips to doG’s ears.

      • straffinrun

        I expect we’ll get hit hard with more restrictions soon. They don’t seem to be testing much at all.

      • Chafed

        That is a far more rational response. I’m jealous.

      • Tejicano

        It’s bizarre. Japan has fewer than a thousand reported Pooh flu cases and 29 deaths. Either the system here has its head in the sand or they have it under control (which I don’t believe for a minute). They’re only reporting 144 recovered from the disease which doesn’t make sense.

      • Gustave Lytton

        The deaths part, especially given the number of elderly in Japan, is particularly strange. Japan put almost no travel restrictions on incoming Chinese until recently and has large numbers of tourists from there until the tour groups were shut down.

        Masks and bowing instead of physical contact?

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        Masks and bowing instead of physical contact?

        I’ve heard that Steven Seagal bows to every Asian person he meets, regardless of where they were born.

        Maybe….he’s the Prophet America needs??

        /and we rejected his wife-beating ass! woe to us!

      • Rhywun

        Huh. I got bit by the “awaiting moderation” hammer. Anyway it’s an article about replacing the handshake with a Vulcanesque palm display.

      • Tejicano

        When Steven Seagal travels in Japan he has a group of bodyguards (actually seen this) because the Shotokan Karate group from Osaka s looking to kick his ass – or worse. He had taken over his father-in-law’s Dojo when he passed away – then took the money, dumped his wife and kids and ran away to the US.

      • Not Another Naked Digby

        I pity the exes and the kids. Plus, he went from deputy out in, what, Baton Rouge? N.O.?

        Anyway, from there, to Sheriff Arpaio.

        Because, of course he did. Makes me wanna burn a copy of Under Seige and Marked for Death…

      • Rhywun

        He’s never been anything other than a punchline for me. Never seen any of that crap.

      • Not Another Naked Digby
      • Tejicano

        Japan is reporting 882 reported cases – the first cases being reported weeks ago. But they only report 144 recovered patients. As the first reported case was on January 23rd how could it be that only 144 have recovered? (I understand that the number from the cruise ship is reported separate from this)

    • Tundra

      Uh, too many children, old people, private business and (especially) TP.

      It’s almost like you don’t prog, dude!

      • straffinrun

        Depressingly accurate summation.

  47. Yusef drives a Kia

    A bit on the Old Lady thing, my Mother always stressed Never going out unless you were dressed to the 9’s, and as I grew up, I saw the importance,and coolness of it all.Now I won’t leave the house without being perfectly dressed and looking sharp, I walk on the balls of my feet so I’m always moving forward, and stand tall. Thin and now Blonde, I’m in pretty good shape,

  48. Yusef drives a Kia

    Sometimes I awake at night from nightmares of Giant machines bearing down on me,thumping, and thumping,
    to find Bella chewing her nails,

  49. Yusef drives a Kia

    That perfect shot, only to get hit by a gust of wind…………

  50. Yusef drives a Kia

    that image of your Wife, and the Flashback of her Death bed…..

  51. Yusef drives a Kia

    People Commenting on your Beautiful Dog

  52. Yusef drives a Kia

    Sunshine and Low humidity, there is wind, but you learn to play with it instead of fighting it…

  53. Yusef drives a Kia

    Having a place to hang my hat, and ramble like I’m doing now, with people who get me, this is good…..

    • hayeksplosives

      Put up your slippers and light your pipe!

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Done and Done! Enjoying a boring Evening, I hope you are well,

      • Tejicano

        I’ve been thinking of getting a pipe. Trying to keep myself from making it a tomahawk pipe.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Tobacco pipes are fun, Weed pipes are stoney, i miss my Bong, stolen, like everything else…

      • Tejicano

        About 20 years ago I had a storage unit in the US which got robbed. I lost a handful of rifles – some of which I’d built myself. Lost all my car tools and a bunch of personal stuff that wasn’t worth much to anybody else. Photo album of my China trip in 1988. My dress blues. My grandfather’s straight razor.

        I’ve heard about some guy who rigged his gun safe up with an explosive device which it armed when it is tipped past a certain angle and triggered with a light sensor. I can relate to that sentiment.

      • Tejicano

        I’ve been thinking of getting a pipe. Trying to keep myself from making it a tomahawk pipe.

      • Tejicano

        Well, at least the squirrels approve.

    • Not Another Naked Digby

      Consider my soul salved!

  54. straffinrun

    Meanwhile in quarantine.

    https://i.imgflip.com/3t1bpc.jpg

    *The quality sucks, but I’m not wasting anymore time on it.

    • Not Another Naked Digby

      I would give it a standing ovation, but…well, you know.

  55. Festus

    Whelp, Daughter The Youngest DID go on that vacation and now she and Hubby and two kids aged 11 and 9 are stuck in self-quarantine for the next two weeks. Goddamit. At least they won’t have to worry about child care seeing as all the schools are closed. Downtown for work tonight was eerie. Deserted streets. All the restaurants and brew-pubs are closed, bowling alley, too. Library, pools, museums. Pretty much everything. On the other hand, the train yards seem to be back doing booming business. Thousands of containers marshaling. I washed the floors at the retail post office even though they didn’t need it. Oldsters are staying home. Day#4 of the sanitation station at the sorting plant. No change. Still just a potato…

    • Gender Traitor

      Mornin’, sir! I’m just up & waiting to see what fresh Hell our govfuhrnor is going to impose on us. Gonna try to have takeout for dinner from local joints as long as I can afford it. Last night was Greek from a little joint place had been open all of a week before all the fertilizer hit the ventilator. Good stuff! I hope they can stay afloat.

      • Gender Traitor

        s/b “a little place that had been open…”

        Needz moar covfefe!

      • Festus

        Moar covfefe – https://youtu.be/YUaxVQPohlU I always thought she was a black chick. The wonders of the internet, proving me wrong almost every time…

      • Gender Traitor

        Ah, yes! I can see why you thought so – her voice reminds me of Dionne Warwick.

      • Festus

        Only heard it on the radio when I was wee. Always assumed it was Dionne.

      • Nephilium

        Up here we’ve got a local group (Cleveland Independents) that’s keeping a running list of their members that are offering delivery/takeout.

        My summer trip to Europe is looking to be in jeopardy at this point, and I’m wondering how my work will react when this is the year they decided to change the PTO system, and force all of us to take our accumulated hours or lose them. It’s going to be real light around the work force the latter half of the year.

      • Gender Traitor

        I’m sorry about your travel plans. As for time off, “use it or lose it” is a stupid system, IMO. My boss, the CFO, finally talked the CEO into just capping accrued vacation at 240 hours. If you hit that, you just stop accruing until you’ve used some. Sick leave is still not carried over to a new calendar year, but now we let people cash in unused hours for points in the company reward system, so people don’t abuse it as much at the end of the year.

      • UnCivilServant

        At the end of the fiscal year (march 31) state employee vacation accruals beyond 300 hours get lost. For the record, a state employee who’s been there seven or more years accrues 150 hours per year. So we can bank up to two years worth of accruals.

      • Nephilium

        The company I work for shifted to avoid needing to pay accumulated PTO out to people when they left the company. For some reason (youth, IT people, I don’t know), there’s a bunch of people who had hit their max accumulated hours and still refused to take time off. So when they left the company after 3-5 years, in addition to the loss of staff, there was the financial payout as well.

        Now there’s a vacation “guideline” as to how much time will get approved based on time with the company, and any accrued time needs to be used this year.

  56. Festus

    Appended to add – I think it’s great that you are helping by consuming. Stoicism is the only way out of the mess that some interests seem to be so gleefully applauding. The CBC is about to expire from the orgasmic shudders a la “Brainstorm”.

    • Gender Traitor

      I consider myself lucky that I’m in a position to do it, at least for a while. A friend of ours has a coffee shop, fairly new, right next to a little storefront YMCA location – also closed now, of course. The Mister plans to go over for a cuppa and pretend it’s “to go” while chatting with the proprietor for as long as he can get away with it.

      • Festus

        Girl in the beer store tonight was wearing nitrile gloves and said that it was the busiest she’s ever seen it. Busier than Xmas or New Year’s Eve. Mind you, it was St. Paddy’s Day.

  57. Festus

    In other happy news, Wifey’s head cold that laid her low over the weekend has moved to her tummy after she went back to work yesterday. It’s not slant sicks, just a nasty regular old flu, unlike what all the cool Grannies are sporting these days. And I oop!

    • Gender Traitor

      Yuck! Hope she feels better quicker! : (

      • Festus

        Me too. It’s been a pretty long run of losses and set-backs at Chez Festus for about a year. Just one fucking thing after another. Judi counted 12 last week before she got sick but the number, much like CDC data, is probably much higher. We need a W.

  58. UnCivilServant

    The psychological separation of the office from the home is something I already miss.

    I’m here in the same seat in front of the same monitors, but I’m supposed to be thinking about work.

    It’s not working.

    • Gender Traitor

      Hmmm…go out & drive around for a bit before settling in? Maybe pick up breakfast or a beverage?

      Of course, I have trouble thinking about work when I’m AT work.

      • UnCivilServant

        I have a meeting in 15 minutes. in the meantime I’m addressing the clutter on my desk so I can raise these monitors up.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’ve apparently decided never to dispose of a single pay stub ever. And to keep them on my desk temporary computing surface* at home, burying the base of my right hand monitor.

        *my actual desk needs to be cleaned off so I can move my monitors and computer to it. I just never got around to messing with it.

      • Festus

        I’ll cop to that. I can glance over my left shoulder and see years of pay-stubs cluttering the top of my file cabinet.

    • Sean

      Hang a picture of Cuomo on the wall. ?

      • Gender Traitor

        Only in the form of a dartboard.

      • UnCivilServant

        I don’t want his ugly mug in my house in any form.

      • straffinrun

        Cuomo toilet paper FTW.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Maybe getting drunk would help.

    • The Hyperbole

      Put on a tie and blazer…and pants.

      • UnCivilServant

        I always wear pants. Being trouserless is dreadfully uncomfortable, and you lot are fools for foregoing the garment.

      • Festus

        Jorts are for closers.

    • Festus

      Find a YouTube channel that is non-stop yammering with the occasional cackling laughter peppered in. Then you’ll feel right at home for work.

      • UnCivilServant

        “Needless use of speakerphone”

    • Sean

      Sort of related – are all these people WFH going to get extra tax benefits for home offices? Does your kitchen square footage get counted in as a cafeteria?

      • UnCivilServant

        The home office tax benefit only applies to a portion of the house not used for any other purpose whatsoever.

        Of course they’re going to lie and claim the “office” is only used for work.

      • Nephilium

        I do have a desk set up that was for WFH purposes… of course, like all level surfaces in a house that isn’t continuously in use, it’s accumulated it’s fair share of junk resting on it. So for the stuff I can access from the gaming PC with it’s big dual widescreens, things get pulled up there. For the sensitive stuff. It’s the work laptop sitting on a little shelf.

      • UnCivilServant

        But you know a lot of casual remote workers aren’t going to have a space so dedicated.

    • Sean

      Sort of related – are all these people WFH going to get extra tax benefits for home offices? Does your kitchen square footage get counted in as a cafeteria?

      • Sean

        Squirrels…

      • Festus

        Yay! Welcome fellow squirrel aficionado! It’s not just me! You’ll be my Besty and we can have sleep-overs and such!

      • Sean

        Can we build a fort out of couch cushions and blankets?

      • Festus

        I will pet him and feed him and love him forever!

  59. Gender Traitor

    In other WTF news, before we went to pick up our carryout dinner last night, we tried to go to Petco for more cat food, and they’d revised their hours to 10 am – 6 pm. What’s up with that??

    • Festus

      I was just saying on Monday night to a friend from work, “Why is evertbody freaking the fuck out over TP? If I had my panic pants o good and tight I’d be stocking up on pet food and kitty litter. Stuff that you can’t build from scratch.

      • Festus

        So many typos…

    • Nephilium

      It’s to restock for all the elderly people who were trying to get their preferred food during the end times.

      • Festus

        What we feed the cats looks like deviled ham but the smell…