Many GlibFittersTM have discussed their love of coffee (sorry Mojeaux) and, separately, working out. Do these two great tastes go great together? Fortunately, the good people at Stronger By Science have a ridiculously long article and an accompanying two and half hour podcast to answer your question. If you don’t have a background in biology, it’s a slog. And please, no operating heavy machinery while listening to the podcast.
Hilariously, the use of caffeine in fitness and sports really is important to libertarians. Why? Because, “…As early as 1939, scientists were calling for bans of highly concentrated caffeine products in athletic competition.” Fuck off, slavers.
“Caffeine’s fairly obvious effects include increased heart rate, blood pressure, wakefulness, and alertness. When it comes to exercise, caffeine use also results in less perceived pain, less perceived exertion, and enhanced maintenance of motor unit firing rates. The result is an improved ability to produce high forces and maintain power output during fatiguing exercise, thus enhancing fatigue resistance in a variety of tasks that include strength and sprint exercise.”
Apparently, these performance enhancing affects are subject to habituation. The scientific literature isn’t terribly clear on how quickly nor to what degree this occurs. If you are training for the big event, then you may want to abstain until the big day.
There are a number of health concerns associated with caffeine. Fortunately, they are all garbage. (Thanks doG.) Is there a nanny in your life telling you it will give you heart problems? Share this interesting tidbit with him/her/xer, “…some early epidemiological studies reported links between coffee and cardiovascular disease, but many of these early studies failed to adequately account for the fact that coffee consumption is quite highly correlated with smoking.” That might be important. I’m not a doctor but I’ll go out on a limb and say it is.
“If you drink coffee before working out, you’ll get dehydrated” said a busybody. No. No, you won’t. Per the article, “It is certainly true that caffeine has a mild diuretic effect, meaning it increases urine output (and, therefore, fluid loss). However, the most common methods of ingesting large caffeine doses also involve fluid ingestion, such as drinking a cup of coffee or an energy drink. So, while a cup of coffee may slightly increase urine output, it also provides several ounces of water, and therefore has a net positive effect for hydration status.” Give the busybody a hearty Nelson laugh.
But won’t caffeine screw up your sleep? Yes, it will unless you’re one of those people that just isn’t affected by caffeine. See Sir Digby. For anyone working out in the late afternoon or evening, take this into account. A great workout followed by a lousy night’s sleep is not a recipe for success.
Coffee and tea also have some health benefits. “Both coffee and tea are loaded with antioxidants and other bioactive compounds, and decades of research suggests that regular moderate consumption of coffee and/or tea is associated with positive, protective health outcomes. Consumption of these beverages has been associated with reduced risk of mortality, certain cancers, liver conditions, depression, arthritis, type 2 diabetes, and other components of metabolic syndrome.” Go figure. I just know it tastes great and makes me happy in the morning.
In sum, have a cup or two before your workout if that works for you. The effects are modest but helpful though those effects may diminish over time.
I’m pretty sure Ted’S will post this in the comments so I’ll do it here. Suck it, Ted.
Finally, a little something for Mojeaux so she isn’t left out.
That’s so cute you think I don’t ingest caffeine just because I don’t drink coffee.
ECA stack 3x/day.
And just last night, Hyperion, Stinky, and I were discussing nootropics.
Also, FIRST, CODS!
Wrong link for the article. Here is the right one.
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/caffeine/
She called me cute. *blushes*
“She kissed me!”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxdlf1U9ZtU (poor quality but only 4 sec)
Was expecting this.
I drink 3 cups a joe a day, 20 oz cups. I rarely drink water and then in small amounts, except when I’m sweating a lot, which isn’t very often. I started about when I was 17-18, For a while I was doing 20-24 (8 oz) cups a day in my 20s. Coffee, black, the way it was intended.
#metoo
I get about 16 – 32 ounces of strong coffee per day (16oz. French press with 5 tablespoons of ground coffee + 5 teaspoons of sugar) and drink iced tea the rest of the day.
I drink 60oz of coffee in the morning and micturate 75oz afterward. I find it wakes me up in the morning. Can’t drink either after 4pm…otherwise I don’t sleep as well.
I’m about ready to have my last cup for the day. Once the caffeine level is built up it’ll last ’til the next day.
I have been doing 48hrs fasts…and didn’t drink coffee the first couple times. It was painful..the caffeine withdrawals. Just small amounts during future fasts seems to offset the withdrawal effects.
I tried to slow down too, same problem. Not gonna try again, at least not voluntarily.
I’m pretty sure Ted’S will post this in the comments so I’ll do it here. Suck it, Ted.
Don’t tell *me* what to suck!
And I was going to post this.
Sure you were.
I would have guessed he would post that one 80’s song.
This one?
That’s it.
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20200217-have-we-murdered-the-apostrophe?utm_source=pocket-newtab
It’s a bad link Don.
It’s not bad. It’s just HTML’d that way.
What if I mix booze with my caffeine? Like Bailey’s in my coffee?
Leg pain is up and down. Today is up. I might have overdone something yesterday at the gym. I’m not going to blame staying up all night with Sir Digby’s Night Shift. I also doubt the dance on Friday had anything to do with it – the floor had give to it and I didn’t dance all that much.
My PT asked me to talk to my doctor about taking some anti-inflammatory drugs to get the pain and inflammation under control until the window opens for the next round of cortisone shots. The idea being I’ll be able to do more stuff which should help with the herniation.
The pain has never gotten as bad as it was before the first cortisone shot, so they did something. Just not enough.
I talked with the doc. Naproxen twice a day with food. She doesn’t want me on any other corticosteroids until the window for another round of shots opens. She says I should be fine with naproxen until the next round of shots, though I might need to stop taking it about a week or so before the window opens.
We’ll see how things shake out.
I hope you get the relief you’re seeking.
Thanks Chafed!
I regularly have these on hand (in various flavors) and will go through several on long bike rides. There’s also bars and chews that have caffeine added as well. A bit of a stall this week on the weight loss, average wait dropped about a pound, and I did hit a new low (barely, by 0.2 pounds). The weather is starting to turn, and hopefully this will be the last month I can’t get out to ride.
Nuun is great. I also recommend it. I’ll dissolve a tablet in a water bottle or two (each) for hiking, dancing, yard work, or time at the gym.
Yeah, they’re my go to for long rides. I’ll generally have one water bottle filled with Nuun, and a second water bottle with just water. I’ve got a hydration pack, but I rarely use it for carrying more water.
OT response to a night shift post. I took advantage of the 100% off sale for Black Desert and played about 15 minutes. Graphics were spectacular, I’ve been playing 1st person games for so long that 3rd person seems very clunky and weird, and there seems to be a rather complicated interface that will require more attention than I can afford to devote to it now. Seems solid though.
I tried that at launch and was underwhelmed, but I don’t recall what my specific objections were.
I was never quite into Irish coffee or adding any alcohol. Sunday mornings I was shaking so bad I’d have spilled the booze. Needed coffee only at least ’til noon. Now its just the coffee.
Back in my ambulance days, if I was awake, there was probably a cup of coffee in my hand. Didn’t matter what time of day or night. Nowadays, I have two cups in the morning and that’s it. And if I have coffee after 1pm, I’m up half the night.
I like your dog pic. Mine is of my first Chesapeake. Now I have a lab-cattle dog mix now–which is way to smart for me. Anyway…just got back from a hike in Briones.
This is my first pudelpointer.
I loved hiking Briones.
And here I thought you were going to link a Postum commercial for Mojeaux.
I know what she likes.
YEAH you do!
My grandparents drank Postum. I did not care for the taste. On the other hand, they only kept Folgers Crystals, and later those awful Folgers t-bag thingies, not much better.
Can’t believe you mentioned tea bag on this site without ducking.
The plastic bag ban is monstrous.
Paper bags started today here in NYC. On the back end, I hate them; they come in cases of 600 that weigh about 75lbs.. They’re heavier than our largest cat litter sizes, so breaking down those pallets sucks. On the front end, they are just a shining example of everything wrong with NY.
I’m upstate and had my first bag-less experience.
It’s madness!
The bag wars are madness!
Sackless, were ya?
I have caffeinated and non-caffinated pre-workout mix. Which one I put in my gym shaker bottle depends on the time of day and if I’ve had other caffeine drinks recently. Doesn’t seem to make a big difference once I’m into the workout.
I down 40-60oz of fresh brewed iced t and two coffees per day. I end the night with 20 or mor oz of water.
Coffee! why I’ll live forever, that and walking 36 holes a day…..
Nescafe Dark Roast Instant,Strong, 4-6 cups a day..
Yusef!
Hope you saw my reply y’day (or was it Friday?).
I did after the thread died, I do appreciate it though!
Another one on the the way, glad you liked it,
Chafed pre-workout
Fun fact: if you drink too much coffee, especially later in the day, you will have no choice but to work out!
It’s a win/win!
Stop doxxing me.
On Orangetheory is about to open close to me and I think it could be an asset for my workout routines.
Do you any of you have experience with Orangetheory? Please share.
If you don’t, well then you can go suck an egg!
I looked at their website. Ho-hum.
If you are motivated you don’t need them. If you’re not motivated you won’t go. Exercises ain’t gonna do them selves. Looks too much like magic dieting.
But it says “science” right there on the main page, why do you hate science Fourscore?
I’d be curious about the stats. That’s the reason I selected the studio I’m going to spin classes at. It’s nice getting the RPM and power information after the ride.
My wife is a trainer at orangetheory . It is what you make of it. If you’re the kind of person who is competitive and motivated by the group setting, you’ll do well.
Big fan of caffeine regardless of workout status. Also, I started a fitness routine modified from a suggestion by (I believe) C Anacreon last week. The suggestion was one squat today, two tomorrow, and so on until 100 body weight squats on day 100.
My basic fitness isn’t bad, but time constraints are huge with 4 little kids in the house and a business to run. I decided to start with 5 reps, and mirror the squats with push ups. Just past a week in and I am adding sit ups and tricep dips. I’ll add pull ups (at much lower quantities next).
Thank you, all, for this forum and for the fitness inspiration.
Disregard the introductions from the Glibs. Really, some of them aren’t too bad.
Just what Tulpa would say.
Anything helps!
And fuck thee off, Tulpa!
But I already got my official welcome. I fucked off all through January. Am I doing it wrong?
No. I’m just a bit senile.
I would recommend looking into kettlebells. They’re really good for both strength training and cardio. They don’t take up any space, aren’t too expensive, and can be done almost anywhere you have room to do push-ups. I started with them just after my first kid was born and it was like a new world of exercise for me even though I’ve stayed fit since high school.
I believe that was me. That was a Greg Glassman trick (yes, the founder of CrossFit). One squat on day one, two on day two, etc. He built some workouts like that, too. They sound utterly innocuous… to start. For example – Do one pullup the first minute, two the second, three the third, until you do not complete the requisite number in the minute. Record total number of reps and time.
It doesn’t sound like much because for rounds 1, 2, and 3 you’re standing there resting for a minute. But when you start to take more time and need more rest – and you’ve got those other reps already behind you – it gets miserable in a hurry. Getting to 15 minutes means you’ve completed 120 pullups – which is an avg. of 8/min for 15 minutes. It’s no joke.
The guy’s a fucking genius at designing workouts; I don’t care what anyone says.
I started the squat routine today, based on your description. I’m old, far too close to decrepit, lazy as sin, and, well, we’ll see how it goes. I intend to give it my best shot. I figure I’m ahead no matter what.
I’ve also picked up the book that was recommended, by someone else I think, on stretching. Also a newer one aimed at “over 50.” ;-\
The one squat+ each day is a great way to start to carve some purposeful exercise into one’s schedule. It’s so obvious and silly and seemingly surmountable – and it is – that what isn’t obvious is that’s really about habit formation more than anything else. (Not to give away the jig). Even in the 30s of squats, it doesn’t take more than a minute or two out of your day. And yet… by the numbers in the 50s, you know something’s changing. You can feel it in weird ways. By the 70s, you know you’re going to make it, so now it’s just about grinding those last couple of ‘decades’ of squats out. By the end, it’s a minor accomplishment, but the thought of adding some other exercise sounds like it wold be a nice change and you’re certain you can, at that point. It’s a gateway back to fitness. Combined with some stretching would be a wonderful way to begin the “long, slow onramp toward a distant horizon” that should be your fitness goals.
Thanks (for this and the original comment). I’m trying to keep the equipment to a minimum, and the kettlebells dont seem to onerous. Not very familiar with the exercises, but I like what I see from a quick review. Especially that they seem to be geared toward core, coordination, and symmetry results.
If you haven’t seen much about him yet check out Pavel Tsatsouline. Not that he’s the “one true prophet” but he did kinda introduce the kettlebell to the US fitness scene and has a lot of good ideas and info on the subject. Pick and choose what works for you. Try what you can do and what seems to be a good challenge for you.
You know who else was calling for bans in 1939?
Are you sure this is in the right thread?
Did you read your own post?
“…As early as 1939, scientists were calling for bans of highly concentrated caffeine products in athletic competition.”
I did and I missed the reference. My bad.
Are you sure it’s not?
See above.
I read the entire post and this is thanks I get.
?
This is what you get for bitching about my music links.
I like “difference of opinion” better.
If bitching means MikeS is correct then yes, he is bitching.
Local pols also ask state to buy Big Tupper
What could go wrong?
I like how all the stoopid is conveniently highlighted with italics.
Jesus, you aren’t kidding, that is an impressive amount of stoopid though, gotta give ’em that.
“Personally, I think this could be a real highlight reel for the Cuomo administration,” LaScala said.
Yes it could, but probably not in the way he thinks.
Buffalo Billion, that film-studio thingie in Syracuse, and now Mt. DMV Ski Resort.
Studio in Syracuse?!? Damn. Steiner and Silvercup had to pump millions into their facilities to get producers to leave Manhattan for Brooklyn and Long Island City. Nobody’s schlepping up to Syracuse to shoot.
If they think they can get a Rust Belt vibe they can’t get in NYC they might.
But that’s not studio shooting.
True dat. Semi related; I’m on season 2 of Hill Street Blues. It is meant to take place in an ‘unnamed Midwestern city’ (stand in for Chicago), but they mention several NYC locations, and the show is clearly filmed in LA as evidenced by all the palm trees making their way into the background.
If they could incorporate that with a taxpayer funded pro hockey arena they may be onto something. Make the lift tickets free.
So selfless. That community should be glad to have him.
LOL. Let me translate that for you, Donah: “Get the hell outta my way little person. I got shit to do“.
Every little dying community has a plan to resurrect downtown, Need to bring businesses back to rural fill in the ________. Get a grant writer and a grant. We’ll have the bigliest July 4th, we’ll have the 13th Week end, tax abatements, come one come all. This time its gonna work!
Remember the Buloshi-Ricky Nelson skit, SNL, where Buloshi’s store sells scotch tape to the stores for their going out of business signs, in the mall?
/Pepperidge Farms…
And then there are the people who cause such communities to die by nixing any proposed development.
Need more zoning laws. Every little town seems to think an RV parked in the driveway or grass over 3 inches tall will lead to global, oops, coron, oops, some tragedy.
Went to one of the malls in Green Bay that I haven’t been in for years, 3 stores open. That’s it. And the halls to the anchor stores were barricaded off.
I’ve hung out in Tupper Lake. I can only imagine the barely-concealed contempt that pig holds for those rednecks.
Nothing can go wrong when you’re playing with other people’s money.
How about the local politicians pool their own money and buy the ski area?
Then what’s the point of being elected?
The Masochists Who Race the Iditarod Without Dogs
I mean…
“If you drink coffee before working out, you’ll get dehydrated” said a busybody. No. No, you won’t. Per the article, “It is certainly true that caffeine has a mild diuretic effect, meaning it increases urine output (and, therefore, fluid loss).
TY for pointing that out. It is one of my pet peeves about the multitude of busy body statements.
You know what happens when you work out? You sweat. And you can get dehydrated. That’s why people drink water during a workout.
Maybe for the first half, then Tall Cans!
/+36 holes, I swear by it now,
What is the length of the course? A typical golf course would result in about a four mile walk.
about 3/4 miles, so around 3 miles, except for bathroom breaks and forgetting your Sun hat on the previous hole, so probably 4+ miles in 3 hours,
I forgot, the up and down hills and the aerobics of shooting, it’s all good and fun!
That’s just about right for us gummers.
And you can drink beer legally, nice touch for a public park,
Caffeine and energy drinks seem counterproductive for some competitions. Taking NSAIDs would be much more beneficial for doing cardio. Maybe caffeine would be useful for hour-plus everts. I can’t imagine it would be useful for shorter races.
Afghanistan War Enters New Stage as U.S. Military Prepares to Exit
jfc
SHHHH,the enemy of my enemy is… Fuck
Get OUT!
The Mongolian Grill is not Mongolian and was invented by the Bob Hope of Taiwan.
“national treasure”
So the Mongolian Grill was invented by the Taiwanese SugarFree?
I’ve never seen SF and that guy in the same room together.
Just saying.
He couldn’t carry Bob Hope’s putter!!1!!!!!!!!11!!!!
The Mongolian Grill in Des Moines is great. Preparing your own meal, give it to the Man (men), follow it all the way around and there it is, the same one you made earlier, only hot and ready to eat. We show off by using chop sticks. Mrs Fourscore (and me too) love it but we’re too far away now. It was always busy as we passed through around lunch time but the wait wasn’t very long.
How a Downtown Bar Baron Spends His Sundays
A digestif before a meal? How gauche!
Ahh, Underberg Bitters. I’ve damaged myself on occasion with Underberg chased with Guinness.
Unions Push F.T.C. to Study if Amazon Warps the Economy
Quick, let me answer for you:
It does.
Creative destruction is bad and people shouldn’t innovate if that means a union slug won’t be able to earn a six figure salary and keep 3 meth-mouthed baby mamas all with barely an 8th grade education.
Bosh! Flimshaw! The Sears Christmas Wishbook shall never be surpassed as a retail model.
“Nice mega-corporation you got there….”
It’s what they did to Standard Oil.
I finally took the time and researched how to find spare parts for the used Waterrower I picked up over a year ago. It has been collecting dust and I need to make use of it. I will be in tip top shape in no time!
Google and Amazon and Ebay are your friends….
Have fun!
duckduckgo and no amazon for these folks for anything other than new rowers. And their store dropped my shopping cart when I went to look for a manual. Not a great site.
I am drinking a decaf instant coffee. Many years ago those words would have made me retch, but of all the technological and scientific advancments of the past couple of decades, I think instant coffee has made immeasurable progress.
Fact: JD is Joe Montana
Coronavirus rumors and chaos in Alabama point to big problems as U.S. seeks to contain virus
I wasn’t worried about the virus, but now I will just assume the government will definitely make situation much worse than it should be.
Funny how media reports of the public’s perception of how the government handles Crisis X turns on a dime every four or eight years.
This is true. It isn’t true about instant noodles. Those still suck.
Rob Reiner
@robreiner
Been watching Joe Biden on the Sunday shows. I see a President.
He may have some bad takes, but never forget that he had this sweet piece in her sugary, pasteurized, prime.
Spinal Tap
The Princess Bride
Stand By Me
Misery
A Few Good Men
Thank you for that delightful mental image.
Something hit the spot, if you know what I mean…
Consider that sleep deprivation does wonders for weight loss.
Hawt.
This was real though. But not really from the sleep deprivation.
Got ripped for American Psycho, starved himself for The Machinist, then put it all back on and more for Batperson: The Beginning. That’s dedication to saving the budget on just doing it in post (?).
Leather Tuscadero > Pinky Tuscadero
duh.
Phoenix band with a tuscadero namesake.
https://www.last.fm/music/Pinky+Tuscadero%27s+Whiteknuckle+Assfuck/_/I%27m+Gonna
Fun fast metal punk. Reminds me of DRI.
All day long.
All day
ahem
ahem
That was the alternate I was considering.
On the B-side of the 12″ I had (phrasing!)
Yep, that song was bigger than anything on the album.
Yes, but mine is a more obnoxious earworm.
Of course. You do you.
But I only post music I like.
Smart phones, weight lifting and mala are causing problems in the loo for Singaporeans
The piles are back!
Confronting My Monster: Candyman
I’m still afraid to say his name five times in front of a mirror. I mean, why take the risk?
?♂️ Never saw it.
It’s based off a short story by Clive Barker that is a thinly-disguised allegory of a white woman coming to grips with the fact that she’s attracted to a black guy.
I like this HM Notes summary. How about Hellraiser?
Pinhead is an allegory of the white woman’s cuck husband trying to lynch the black guy?
Hellraiser is easy. It’s the wish fulfillment fantasy of a cuckold getting revenge on his whore wife and piece of shit brother. There is also a teenaged girl coming to terms with sexual desire, but I think every 80s horror film had to have that as part of the plot by international law.
Apparently I’m going to spend the rest of the evening watching videos about Fred Dibnah.
DerpBook tells me Buttjug has dropped out of the race.
It’s weird to me why someone wouldn’t just wait and see what happens Tuesday? Maybe Bloomberg is paying them to drop?
He’s not polling at 15% in any state and wants his votes got to candidates other than Sanders near 15%?
Every time there has been an R that I actually wanted to vote for, they dropped out before the primary in Wisconsin. If every primary was the same day we would probably get different candidates.
Pfft can you imagine the Parties giving up that much control over who their candidates will be?
I always have an empty feeling when the Buttigleg is removed too quickly.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Fitness and health.
Glibfitting: no graph, but I’ll try and have one for next week. The weight loss continues (except for today, way too much salt and donuts).
Today I also had one of those moments of physical genius — I haven’t been that deep in the zone in a long long time. The buzzer went off, and I double-alphaed 12 targets from four locations with two mag changes in 18.6 seconds. My splits on the last eight shots were <0.2 seconds. Even though I screwed the pooch on the other three stages, that one stage as enough to put me at 5th of 15. I really wish I had goproed that so I could brag about it on youtube.
I asked about 80% lowers earlier. Have you had any experience building on those? I just learned about them and am now curious. And congrats on the shooting.
I’ve never done a full build from one. There are people who have properly equipped workshops that will walk you through your first build, though I obviously have no idea how much they charge in your area. There are a few unique tools you will need (mainly the jig to finish the lower) so once you’ve done one you can see if the overhead costs are worth it to you.
The jig is definitely a requirement. If you don’t have a lot of experience working with power tools you would probably need some sort of drill press – what are your local resources? Do you know anybody with a drill press you could borrow/use for a couple hours? I don’t know your local gun community or circle of gun-friends but you might find some people interested in splitting costs and doing a “build party”?
Pics of screwing the pooch, please.
I’m not falling for THAT again.
Never forget: Papa Roach can ruin anything.
You can only choose one. 2nd on the right for me.
↑ Today in everything is politics.
I’m so glad that they will be able to develop a vaccine without the distraction of any penises.
Personally, I find knowledge of the qualities of viral spike proteins to be so sexy I just can’t choose.
XX had a good time at work today, almost all day on the floor. She did personal shopping too. So far, so good!
Was it her first day?
Thanks as always, Chafed! I usually have a coffee before working out. It’s gotta be better than the goofy pre-workouts with 100+ ingredients.
Thanks to the gang here, I have fixed my pushup form and attendant pain, but now managed to jack my quad doing bw squats and lunges. Since trying this fucking bodyweight program, I’ve had more injuries than when I was lifting heavy. Yet, doing handstands and the like makes me feel way more agile.
Oh well. I’ll endeavor to persevere.
Have a great week, bitches!