The Beer Wars: An Incomplete History of the American Beer Industry (pt 2)

by | Mar 6, 2020 | Beer, Food & Drink, History, Markets, Regulation | 214 comments

Great beer, awful label.

Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

 

When we left off in part 1, Prohibition was just getting started.  With the 21st amendment, the 18th amendment was overturned in Section 1.  Instead of leaving well enough alone, they then preceded to fuck things up with Section 2.

And that is where this episode takes place.

Part 2:  An Interlude on the Three-Tier Laws

With the power to regulate liquor given to the states, all the states developed a form of the three-tier system.  Due to the laziness of congress, DC didn’t, so they get to operate in a much more reasonable fashion.  With 50 different versions, I can’t cover every state, but will give a general idea of how it works and some examples of some of the exceptions.

What are the three tiers?  They are production, distribution, and retail.  Production would be your breweries, distribution your beer distributors, and retail your stores, bars, and restaurants.  The laws, in general, prevent anyone from owning a company in more than 1 tier.  The primary reason is to prevent the problem of “tied houses”, although I showed at the end of Part 1 that there was no need for a government solution.  Tied houses are retailers that are contractually obligated to only sell from a certain brewery or brewery group.

The production and retail layers are obvious, but how does the distribution layer work?  Distributors have a state-enforced monopoly on distributing to retailers contracted brands.  Let’s say I am a new brewery, I would reach a deal with a distributor to sell my beers (or certain brands of my beers) in a defined geographic region, say a county, or sometimes a tiny gerrymandered section of a city.  Once that contract was signed, the distributor would have the sole rights to sell that brand in that territory for all eternity.  It is next to impossible, or very expensive at least, to move that contract from one distributor to another.  And you are still stuck working with a distributor.  Don’t even think about trying to negotiate special terms or restrictions with the distributor, when it comes to any area that is important, that is defined by state law and any terms different are null and void.

As should be obvious, distribution is the place to make money in the beer world.  A Bud distributorship is about as close as you can get to a license to print money.  See the McCains, for example.  Sure, you have to have sales staff, but it isn’t like it is that hard to sell Budweiser products.  Distributors do provide a few benefits.  Many will, where allowed by law, clean the beers lines for bars/restaurants.  And for stores, they will provide shelf layouts and even “organize” the shelves.  Guess whose products end up front and center?  It isn’t the products from the small craft distributors.

Not valid anywhere

There are a couple of problems caused by this distributions system.  In the ’90s, Budweiser had a “share of mind” program in which they were encouraging distributor consolidation (eliminating those gerrymandered districts I mentioned earlier).  They provided loans and etc. to the distributors expanding and buying out “competitors”.  To get this benefit from A-B, you had to be focused on their products.  If you sold Bud and had a nice craft portfolio, you were a target for getting bought out.  It was part of their effort to kill off microbreweries.

A second problem was that sometimes a distributor would sign a contract and then make no effort to sell the product.  They were “buying” the brand to keep it out of competitors hands.  Finally, and related, is the difficulty in moving from one distributor to another.  The distributor’s argument was that they had created the value in the area for the brand through their marketing efforts, so should be rewarded.  Ask any brewer about this, see what they say.  A decade back, Bell’s was unhappy with their Illinois distributor, they stopped distributing to the state to force a reasonable settlement as the distributor wouldn’t give them up for a price Bell’s would accept.   But Bell’s was in a financial position different than most small breweries.

Enough about distributors, what are some exceptions to the three tier laws?  The most obvious is brewpubs.  They are both production and retail.  Different states handle this differently.  In some, you can choose to get the exception, but then you can’t be a distributing brewery, you can only sell on site.  You must choose up front whether you will distribute or sell on-premise, but you can’t do both.  Other states allow both.

Another exception in some states is self-distributorship.  You can distribute your own product.  Generally, there is a size limitation on this, like 10k barrels.  Once you are producing above that limit, you have to go to the regular distribution network.

The strictness of the rules varies also.  There was a brewery that opened in Chicago around 2000 that could not find a distributor, all the locals had got burned by the collapse of the 1990s microbrewery market and weren’t interested.  They started their own distributorship.  Everything went fine until they tried to renew their licenses the second year.  The state of IL realized they had made a mistake in issuing both licenses to the same people.  The two owners (who were brothers), “sold” the distributorship to their wives.  This worked for IL, but wouldn’t fly in KY, because KY restricts not only a person’s ownership by their spouse’s also.

And that is enough about that.  Whatever year I get around to part 3, it will be back on the history.  I should get to the actual core of the series in part 4.

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214 Comments

  1. Yusef drives a Kia

    What a scam, Nice write up Rob!

    • robc

      Yes, yes it is.

    • Trials and Trippelations

      2 of the 3 largest breweries in NC that are independent and started in NC self distribute. They have been trying to get the cap raised since 2012. Usually it just died in comittee bc the committee chair’s family owns a distributorship. In 2018 it went to the floor where it failed as the distributor lobby said they did a study that determined breweries don’t pay enough taxes. It died a dirty death

      • Nephilium

        When the ABV cap was being debated being removed here in Ohio, AB-InBev and MolsonCoors both wrote letters into the state government lamenting that they were debating this issue, and how the children needed to be protected. After the bill passed, and the ABV cap was removed, one of the first new billboards I saw on my drive home was for fucking Molson XXX.

  2. Fourscore

    Thanks, robc. I never understood the 3 tiered system. Now that I do it looks like the middle tier understood it better than the other two. Seems to me like the one with the least investment is gonna make the greatest ROI.

    • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

      That’s practically an Iron Law (and one which middlemen the world over take advantage of).

      • Bobarian LMD

        Al Capone was basically a distributor, so the government had a model to work from.

      • Fourscore

        Joe Kennedy?

  3. Nephilium

    I still love that Bell’s went back to their old name (Kalamazoo brewing) to get their beer back into Illinois.

    Here in Ohio, self-distribution is allowed, as are on-premise to go sales. The tiers have a mandatory minimum markup of 25% per step (brewer sells the beer to a distributor at $4/six pack, the distributor can not sell it for less then $5/six pack, and the retailer can’t sell it for less then $6.25/six pack). So if you’re in Ohio, and want to help out your local brewery, buying at the source gives them a much larger chunk of the profit (because they don’t undercut the retail prices). I seem to recall at least one state had legislation proposed that would require the brewery to pay the distributor for beer the sold at their own tap house/to go.

    Then you’ve got the corruption that comes with government enforced monopolies in some other states.

    • robc

      KY limits gifts to things of “no value”, like neon beer signs and coasters. That doesn’t mean the other bribes don’t happen.

      • Nephilium

        Ohio regulates it a lot. There was recently a big debate about changing the law for branded glassware (standard shaker glasses with brewery logos, not even the fancy special ones). I have a feeling this is why there’s been a fairly large upswing in “Steal the glass” nights. Leftover glassware would stay in the bar, it’s not a gift, it was all for a promotion.

    • robc

      One of the biggest legalish moves, is distributors reserving special releases for special clients. In some ways, you like it, if a brewery only sends 10 kegs your way, you should be able to control who it goes to. But it leads to situations like, “If you want a keg of KBS, you have to buy these crappy kegs we cant get rid of otherwise.”

      • DEG

        The local homebrew supply shop used to also sell beer. One year it didn’t get in any KBS. I asked the owner why. He said the distributor wouldn’t send him any because he didn’t sell enough Founder’s products.

      • Nephilium

        The growing trend up here is for the home brew shops to start production breweries. Platform was started by the guys who did the Cleveland Brew Shop (link omitted due to cap, and AB-InBev), the Vine ‘n Hop has a brewery and winery license, and the Grape and Granary down in the Akron area has a winery and distillers license.

        The Brew Kettle started as a brew on premise location, and has a limited amount of supplies for sale as well.

      • DEG

        More breweries have been opening in NH, but I haven’t seen any evidence of them growing out of a home brew shop. Of course, there are only a few home brew shops around.

        The local home brew shop got out of beer and wine sales because he just couldn’t make enough money on it to justify tying up the shelf space. Brewing and wine making supplies moved, beer and wine didn’t.

      • Nephilium

        Oh, we’ve got a lot more breweries opening up then growing out of home brew shops. But I don’t think there’s a home brew shop left that doesn’t at least produce some alcohol for sale as well.

      • DEG

        Ah, I see.

  4. Yusef drives a Kia

    I just got a job offer, it seems i am the only available HVAC guy in the entire area, from what the gal said, Monday at 9, interview time,

    • DEG

      Excellent!

    • Trials and Trippelations

      Nice

    • Nephilium

      Congrats. Time to give up those dreams of professional disc golfer! 🙂

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I’ll still have time to play, but I need to do something more, like work

      • Jarflax

        Good for you! Getting back to productivity is good for mental health in ways hobbies just can’t really provide.

    • Spudalicious

      Awesome!

    • Gender Traitor

      That’s fantastic news!

    • Creosote Achilles

      Good luck, sir. I think you have some due to come your way. Hope that won’t crimp your disc golf time.

    • gbob

      Good luck!!

    • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

      “Exxxxxxxcellent, Smithers!”

    • Mojeaux

      Oh, Yusef, that is FABULOUS news!

    • Fourscore

      Good luck, Pardner!

    • Bobarian LMD

      Woot!

    • TARDIS

      Best of luck!

    • Sean

      Huzzah!

    • WTF

      Great news, best of luck!

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Wow! Thanks Guys, I couldn’t do it without ya!

      • Tres Cool

        Great news, YUFUS

        Dont forget to drive home the point that you ALWAYS check the thermostat

    • mexican sharpshooter

      Awesome!

    • R C Dean

      Good timing, too. Enough time to get the lay of the land before the Hot Times of Hotness come to AZ.

      Good luck, and remember: If you are thinking about saying something, and it would fit right into the comments here, probably best to not say it.

    • Tundra

      Go get ’em!

    • Semi-Spartan Dad

      Congratulations, Yusef!

    • Gustave Lytton

      Good luck! We’re all counting on you.

    • Deplorableme

      Woo-hoo! Good luck on that interview!

  5. DEG

    To get this benefit from A-B, you had to be focused on their products. If you sold Bud and had a nice craft portfolio, you were a target for getting bought out. It was part of their effort to kill off microbreweries.

    Anheuser-Busch experimented with a little craft brewing of their own. I had this stout back in the early to mid 00s. It was on tap and the beer list didn’t say anything about who produced it, so I didn’t know it was an A-B product. It wasn’t bad.

    Nice write-up.

  6. gbob

    When I first got a job as a distiller, I was shocked by how corrupt and sick the system is…and I’m a cynical bastard.

    I despise New York State, but they did a good thing. They passed the farm brewery bill that allowed for local producers, who use NYS materials, the ability to bypass distribution channels.

    Of course, the distributors got their revenge. If you wanted to sell enough, you needed to get in stores…and the distributors pressured the stores to keep independently distributed beverages off shelves.

    It’s a sick system, but because it’s at the state level, I really feel it can eventually be toppled.

  7. kinnath

    There is a business in Cedar Rapids that runs both a winery and a distillery (the winery opened first, then the distillery later on). If the winery produces a bad batch of wine for some reason, it is sent to be distiled it down to 190 ethanol. The winery then uses the pure ethanol to make fortified wines (ports).

    Except.

    The distillery must ship the distilled ethanol to Des Moines so that it touches the dock at the state distribution center (the state still holds a monopoly on spirits). It is then shipped back to the winery which has a separate dock from the distillery even though they are in basically the same building.

    Fuck the three tier system.

    • kinnath

      It’s been awhile, so the details may be fuzzy. But one thing is certain, the distilled boozed gets shipped to Des Moines and logged into inventory. And then it gets shipped right back to the winery.

      • UnCivilServant

        Did it get to stay on the truck, or did it have to be unload and loaded back on again?

      • kinnath

        That’s the part I am trying to remember.

        As I recall, it has to hit the dock to legally be in the possession of the distributor before it can go back to the winery.

      • Dr. Fronkensteen

        Even if it legally had to be unloaded I can see some kind of gentleman’s agreement worked out between the driver and the dock workers where the product wouldn’t be unloaded.

      • leon

        And when the inspector comes in and sees said gentlemans agreement, who is going to get fined?

      • Fourscore

        Its called a fine now? Some gov employees work in mysterious ways, with the right motive and opportunity.

      • robc

        In KY, everything has to spend 1 night in the distributors warehouse.

      • UnCivilServant

        How do they define a “Night”?

      • robc

        I dont know, it may be “24 hours”. The point is, it has to be unloaded off the truck, into the warehouse, and cant leave until some time later.

        It could literally be day 0 and day 1, so you could deliver at 11:59 PM and ship at 12:01 AM and be okay, but I don’t think so.

    • Nephilium

      Breweries going into distillation seems to be accelerating as well. Off the top of my head there’s Rogue, Dogfish Head (Boston Beer Company), Southern Tier (Artisanal Brewing Ventures), and New Holland all have distilleries (and I’m sure I’m missing some).

      • kinnath

        I took a winery management class some years ago. Spoilage is a constant concern for producers. But if you happen to own a distillery, there is no such thing as a “bad” batch of ethanol.

        Triple distillation for the win!

      • Nephilium

        Yeah, it makes sense. And almost all of them start out with a vodka or a gin. So there’s where you can strip the alcohol out of the batches you had to dump before (thinks back to the Dogfish Head show with them dumping a batch of 120 minute). At least it’s not hard seltzer…

      • kinnath

        At least it’s not hard seltzer…

        Step 2)

      • Fourscore

        Is there an allowance for breakage at the distributor level?

  8. Mojeaux

    +1 Boss Tom Pendergast and the state of Missouri

    No, I don’t drink, but I see the value of liquor despite its drawbacks.

    • Trials and Trippelations

      Drawbacks?! What drawbacks?

      *hiccup*

      • Jarflax

        Malt does more than Milton can
        To Justify God’s ways to man.

        It interferes with the Church monopoly on solace.

      • Ted S.

        Candy is dandy,
        Buy liquor is quicker.

  9. mexican sharpshooter

    I’m the beer…article…dude…around here, Damnit!

    *flips table*

    *goes back to work*

    • kinnath

      This isn’t a beer review that talks about social matters more than beer. So, not encroaching on your territory.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        That was meant to be a joke. Clearly I failed. Now if you excuse me, I am going to put my head through a plate glass window.

      • kinnath

        No I failed. My response was intended to be tongue in cheek as well.

      • TARDIS

        Failures lead to more beer consumption, so you’re both good.

      • kinnath

        All right, all right, all right.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        He’s right you know.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      Seriously though, good stuff, ROBC. Nice explanation of the unnecessary hands in the pot.

      • robc

        The thing is, there absolutely is a role for distributors. Big breweries don’t want to deal with it themselves. Even small ones really dont want to. But there should be two types:

        1. Full service distributors, they handle sales and marketing and events and etc, in addition to delivery of the product.

        2. No frills distributors, they deliver product where and when you tell them to. They are a logistics company and nothing else. You have your own sales and marketing forces on the ground.

        In both cases, you negotiate the terms of the deal and the contract ends when the contract ends. If I want to change distributors, I either pay the penalty in the contract or wait for it to expire, You get no special expectations.

      • banginglc1

        But that makes sense . . . .we can’t have that.

    • Hyperion

      See, this is why capitalism sucks. No one needs more than one beer.

      • Nephilium

        “Look! Wreckers!”

        /shivs Hyperion with a broken bottle

  10. Hyperion

    We should just be thankful that the government lets we peasants have beer. After they repeal the first and second amendments, get rid of Federalism, and tax us into oblivion, maybe we will still have a dollar left to buy a 6 pack of the only one brand of beer left on the shelves. For that, we will need to be eternally thankful for our masters and better, who after all, only have our best interests at heart.

  11. The Late P Brooks

    I just got a job offer, it seems i am the only available HVAC guy in the entire area, from what the gal said, Monday at 9, interview time,

    Nice, Yusef!

    Did you offer to check her thermostat?

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      I have no idea what I’ll be doing, it doesn’t matter though,
      it’s what I do, no escaping it,

  12. Plisade

    So, they repealed prohibition, and we can get all the alcohol we want. What then is the reasoning for all the laws and a 3 tier system? Is it simply to create opportunity for lobbyists and graft? I mean, why not do this with vacuum cleaners?

    • robc

      It was, in theory, to prevent tied houses, which are still a “problem” in the UK. We sure did fix that, which is why we pay way more for beer than they do in England, despite their higher taxes. I am sure if the perfect opportunity to prevent vertical integration of the vacuum market came along, they would jump on it.

      • Plisade

        Thanks. But I still don’t understand why they’d want to prevent vertical integration. I’m missing something.

      • robc

        It was felt that the 1st tier had all the power and it was to reduce their power. Instead they gave all the power to the 2nd tier.

      • Jarflax

        But in the process they proved who really had all the power.

      • Nephilium

        And led to some entertaining things like Stone having their breweries (or are they down to one now?) and then opening a Distribution company. It led to some good beer making it into Ohio though, since the owner of Stone was from central Ohio, and wanted to bring his beer back here.

      • invisible finger

        Yes, but they don’t get free lunch.

    • R C Dean

      Is it simply to create opportunity for lobbyists and graft?

      Always as safe assumption.

      Ask yourself this: if they had set out to create a system to optimize crony deals and graft, what would they have done differently? The three tier system seems ideal, with the middle tier poised to rake off favors and funds from both producers and retailers.

      The only other thing I can think would have been a handful of vertically integrated oligopolies that were beholden to the state for their licenses.

      • Bobarian LMD

        The proper answer would have been to make distribution a federal bureaucracy, with states getting their vig from tiers I and III.

      • Fourscore

        Cabinet level beer czar

      • Plisade

        Ah yes, the licensing. And make one really “easy” tier that people would be willing to bribe politicians for.

      • Nephilium

        You mean like state (and federal in the case of distillery based on my understanding) brewery, winery, and distillery licenses?

      • Not Adahn

        Made it so new producers, distributors and/or retailers had to have a Certificate of Need before they could go into business, and make the CoN vetoable by their possible competitors?

      • robc

        We could get billed 30 days after we buy the booze and only find out how much it costs then.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    Scrupulously apolitical

    A federal judge criticized Attorney General William Barr on Thursday for his handling of the Mueller report when it was released last spring, saying Barr’s early description of the report didn’t match the special counsel’s actual conclusions.
    Judge Reggie Walton asked if Barr’s actions were a “calculated attempt” to help President Donald Trump and opined the attorney general had a “lack of candor” with the public and Congress.

    ——-

    Walton’s ruling on Thursday came in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, in which a transparency group and news organization have pressed for more access to the Mueller report and other documents since the investigation ended last spring. Walton has expressed doubts about the Justice Department’s handling of the Mueller report previously, but the judge’s written opinion on Thursday was the sharpest commentary yet on the Department of Justice’s handling of the investigation’s end.

    Barr has been under fire for months for his apparent political moves to protect the President and his allies from within the Justice Department.

    ——-

    Walton’s ruling on Thursday came in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, in which a transparency group and news organization have pressed for more access to the Mueller report and other documents since the investigation ended last spring. Walton has expressed doubts about the Justice Department’s handling of the Mueller report previously, but the judge’s written opinion on Thursday was the sharpest commentary yet on the Department of Justice’s handling of the investigation’s end.

    Barr has been under fire for months for his apparent political moves to protect the President and his allies from within the Justice Department.

    Was there an actual point of law involved, or just TEAM vs TEAM maneuvering?

    • Plisade

      He’s just afraid of Schumer.

  14. Chipwooder

    Addressing a question Rhywun asked in the morning thread….Shesterkin is actually 9-1 so far in his NHL career, but that’s only a drop in the bucket. In his entire professional career in both the US and Russia, he’s an amazing 106-24-18. If you only count full seasons in the KHL (he played in a handful of games as a teenager in 2013-15 when he went just 9-7-2), it’s 97-17-16.

    Dude can play.

    • Rhywun

      Wow. Henrik Who?

      • Chipwooder

        Now, the caveat to that is that he played for SKA St Petersburg, which is a major powerhouse team in Russia, so that certainly doesn’t hurt his W-L record. However, I have read articles that make the argument that his play for them was, in some ways,even more impressive than it would seem on the surface. Reason for this is that SKA played kind of like the old Gretzky-era Edmonton teams: all offense all the time. He faced a lot of high danger scoring chances because his team barely played defense, and performed brilliantly under those conditions.

        Regardless, the guy is the goods. You can watch him play a few games and see that. His style is very acrobatic and exciting to watch, and he is easily the best Rangers goalie at puckhandling I’ve ever seen. Richter and the King were both abysmal with the puck, and Shesterkin’s skill is such a boost for the defense.

  15. Hyperion

    Liquor laws seem all fucked up no matter where you go.

    Here in MD, we have blue laws for some counties, in other places you can buy alcohol 24/7. But you cannot buy beer outside of a liquor store anywhere in the state.

    In TN, at least a few years ago, you can only buy a growler at a brewery and you cannot walk out the front door with it. Seriously, that seems bizarre. But here in MD, you can buy growlers from many different breweries, in liquor stores, and actually walk out the front door with it. You can also order alcohol online here and have it delivered to your front door.

    While it seems weird at some times, I’m sure the reasons are covered in this article, it comes down to cronyism, period.

    • Nephilium

      Take out sales have some real fun laws from state to state. Here in Ohio, you can get any growler filled with any beer from any place willing to fill it for you. In California (as an example), if you have a Green Flash growler, it can only be filled by Green Flash at Green Flash. If you have a Stone Ruination growler, it can only be filled with Stone Ruination, nothing else.

    • UnCivilServant

      I think he’s capped at $100-$150 per person concurrently.

      • UnCivilServant

        *not limiting to campaign spend, limiting to net worth, assuming he could liquidate it.

      • leon

        ^^^ The Socialist Left do not get this. Take everything from Blomberg away. All of it. Liquidate it at the price it is valued now and you get ~200 bucks per person in America. And now you are done with bloomberg. You just destroyed that productive capacity, and everyone is 200 dollars richer.

        I seem to remember a certain politician saying that Trumps Tax cuts were just ‘crumbs’.

    • leon

      One alternative solution is that Bloomberg could have murdered everyone in the country except 500 people, and that would definitely work as well.

    • invisible finger

      Since per leftists not giving is taking, Bloomberg took $1 million away from me.

  16. robc

    I saw Mojeaux comment upthread, and I figure she may have already researched this, but google is failing me. Anyone have any estimates on US river transport speeds pre-steam?

    Or European rivers for that matter. I guess rivers are rivers for this purpose. If you have different type of vessels, cargo vs passenger, that would be good too. I am not thinking horses pulling barges along the erie canal, more Ohio/Mississippi type rivers.

    • robc

      Okay, I have decided I am looking for keelboats, like what Lewis & Clark used. wikipedia has failed me.

      • robc

        Looks like about 15 miles per day, the record was set in 1811, with 1100 miles covered in 61 days. With a top day of 75 miles.

      • robc

        Flatboats were downstream only, cost about $75 to build in 1800, lumber could be sold for about $16 in New Orleans. But they could haul about $3000 worth of goods.

        You can guess a historical type time period for the story I am working on. This detail wasn’t needed for Chapter 1, but I need it for Chapter 2.

        Flatboats would get up to about 4 mph downstream.

      • Jarflax

        Mike Fink!

    • UnCivilServant

      Well, the speed of the current on the mississippi is 1.2 mph. So that is the expected baseline for drifting downstream. How much faster you can go depends a lot on the boat and propulsion.

      • UnCivilServant

        *1.2 rising to 3mph by the time it gets to the delta.

    • pistoffnick

      A much younger and fitter Mr. and Mrs. pistoffnick could get 15 – 20 miles per day in a 17 foot aluminum canoe

      • pistoffnick

        Feckin arthritis

      • Fourscore

        Did you do the Mississippi run? My brother did that for a couple years in the late ’50s. I’m not sure if it still goes on. Maybe it was in conjunction with the Aquatennial?

      • pistoffnick

        Our honeymoon in the Boundary Waters

        I have friends who do a section of the Mississippi every summer. The next summer they do a further section. Eventually they’ll get to the Gulf

      • Not Adahn

        You do you, but for me “Honeymoon” and “bug spray” do not go together.

    • Mojeaux

      I have not researched such a thing.

      We have barges put-putting up and down the river but I don’t know at what speed.

      I’ve always wondered what it would be like to jet ski from KC to StL.

      Don’t eat stuff you catch in the Missouri River. Actually, don’t fish in the Missouri River. Or swim in it. Or touch it.

      • robc

        A friend of mine did a triathalon that started by swimming across the Ohio from KY to IN. That was disgusting. I would never consider getting in that water.

  17. Unreconstructed

    Fun Texas liquor fact: retailers in Texas are prohibited by law from buying, and distributors from selling, liquor “except for cash or on terms requiring payment by the retailer in accordance with Subsection (c) of this section.” Payment terms for accounts are mandated by Sec. 102.32 of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code.

    • robc

      Ky is the same way, also between tier 1 and tier 2. Cash on deliver, no billing and paying later, nothing like that.

      • The Hyperbole

        Ohio as well, or at least it was fifteen or so years ago. I was watching my buddies bar once when the delivery guy shows up, since my buddy didn’t leave any cash the driver couldn’t deliver. I joked about my buddy having shitty credit and the driver tells me nope everyone has to pay cash.

        Me- Why?
        Him – because it’s alcohol.
        Me- Whats special about alcohol?
        Him- It’s alcohol
        Me- And?
        Him- It’s alcohol
        Me – That’s stupid
        Him – It’s alcohol

      • kinnath

        And no one ever robs the alcohol delivery guy at the end of the day, because. . . ?

      • R C Dean

        Because the liquor business is notoriously mobbed up?

      • Not Adahn

        What part of “it’s alcohol” did you not understand?

      • Jarflax

        30years ago in Ohio it was even worse, you had to actually go pick up the liquor at the State store, they wouldn’t even deliver it.

  18. The Late P Brooks

    I have no idea what I’ll be doing, it doesn’t matter though,
    it’s what I do, no escaping it,

    A little voice in my head yells, every now and then, like a heckler in the crowd, “Play something you know.”

    It’s honest work. Good luck, sir.

    • R C Dean

      I don’t think Crown Heights is in her district.

      Not that “not in my district” has ever kept her from sticking her snout in, of course.

    • Florida Man

      Comments are Zero Hedge-esq. Do not read.

      • Swiss Servator

        (((They))) and the Fed are to blame?

    • Fourscore

      “We cannot allow this behavior in our community,” he said.

      Well, you just did.

  19. commodious spittoon

    There is nothing more pathetic than young people getting dewy-eyed over a politician.

    • leon

      adj.
      Arousing or deserving of sympathetic sadness and compassion.
      adj.
      Arousing or deserving of scornful pity.
      Expressing or showing passion; passionate.

      I don’t find it pathetic at all.

      :hides before he gets HM’d:

    • TARDIS

      Sometimes I think that is the most nauseating part of the Obama tenure (read occupation).

  20. TARDIS

    Well now that I’m relaxing, I was able to enjoy the read. My blood pressure is only slightly elevated. Thanks, robc!

    Will we have to wait another year for part 3?

    *ducks*

    • UnCivilServant

      He has to do a lot of “research” for each.

      By research, I mean drink beer.

    • robc

      3 will be ready in short order. part 4 may take a while.

  21. Tundra

    Thanks, robc. Never understood why liquor stores couldn’t get certain beers when the guy down the street could.

    I love having distributors for my products, but I also love the fact that I can pull the biz if they suck at selling my stuff.

    • Ted S.

      In New York, liquor stores can’t sell beer.

      • TARDIS

        When I was in IN recently, I was pleasantly surprised the grocery store had a decent selection of liquor.

      • Nephilium

        In Ohio, cider is regulated under wine laws. The license to sell beer is different then the license to sell wine. There’s been a couple of places that opened that only got the beer license, so no cider.

      • kinnath

        My friends recently went through the process of getting their meadery license amended so they could sell mead less than 7% ABV. I’m not sure if they now have an actual beer license or a wine license with modifications.

      • Nephilium

        I was chatting with a brewer about a braggot they released. There was a maximum percentage of fermentables that they could get from honey before it would have been illegal for them to make and release it. Over that level, winery license required.

  22. Tundra

    I like that label…

    Why do you hate trout?

    • robc

      I don’t want my beer to taste like trout.

      • Rebel Scum

        You want your trout to taste like beer. ///beerbatter

  23. Rebel Scum

    Loading. . .

    Clinton was asked by a caller, “What do you think of all the backlash Nancy Pelosi got after ripping up the president’s State of the Union?”

    Clinton said, “You know, I thought she was making a very strong point in demonstrating that so much of what he said was untethered from reality and just plain factually wrong. And, you know, sometimes it is the only way to get attention because otherwise his speech, which was filled with so many errors, would have just been taken on face value. And I think because she visibly did that, which then went viral across the internet people said wait a minute, maybe we better take another look. So I thought it was an interesting and effective gesture.”

    It was so jam packed with lies that you can’t even refute one as an example.

  24. R C Dean

    This pisses me off:

    Kelly Butler, a copywriter, echoed those sentiments: “Thousands of CA female freelancer writers, single moms, minorities, stand to lose their livelihood due to this bill,” she tweeted.

    The article itself (TW: TOS) is solid on what a disaster CA’s gig economy law has been. But notice the casual disappearance and unpersoning of white males in that statement. It took some effort to craft a statement that it was regrettable that this law had an impact on everyone except, apparently, white males.

    This surprises me:

    According to the allegations in the indictment, from October 2014 to April 2017, [former Acting DHS OIG] Edwards, Venkata, and others executed a scheme to defraud the U.S. government by stealing confidential and proprietary software from DHS Office of Inspector General (OIG), along with sensitive government databases containing personal identifying information (PII) of DHS and USPS employees,

    O’m only surprised because a member of the nomenklatura has actually been indicted. Probably because rather than stealing from the proles and serfs, he stole from Government Almighty.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      It took some effort to craft a statement that it was regrettable that this law had an impact on everyone except, apparently, white males.

      Have you watched any television commercials lately?

      • Hyperion

        You mean like the ones with the couple where the guy is a semi-retarded bumble who has to be led around and instructed by his super intelligent wife all day, just to be semi-functional?

        The intended audience for TV commercials is stay at home wife’s and mums. It’s been that way for as long as I can remember. They’ve only gotten worse with their blatant misandry as of late to keep up with the wokeness.

      • kinnath

        boys will be boys

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        It goes further than that now. They appear to be scared to even have a white guy in commercials now, unless it’s for Cialis or a travel service.

      • Nephilium

        What do you mean? The white guys are the ones breaking into the houses in all the home security commercials (unless that’s changed over the past decade).

      • Hyperion

        It’s the same, except now all the white burglars have Nazi outfits and Trump hats.

      • Chipwooder

        Hah!

        They also play reliably stupid characters in commercials such as these AT&T ads that all feature incompetent white guys and almost always a minority customer.

        Also, if you only watched TV commercials, you’d think 90% of couples were interracial, and almost all of those were a white or Asian man with a black woman, which are actually among the rarest interracial combinations compared to black man/white woman and white man/Asian woman.

      • R C Dean

        Only when I don’t have any slack on the DVR.

        I do wonder what country some of the commercials are shot in. Seems like a really nice place, full of (mostly) cute women, POCs, and little cappuccino-colored children. If there are any white men, they appear to be kept as pets, as they are obviously incapable of looking after themselves.

      • Hyperion

        Every single commercial as of late on my wife’s Globo TV channel are couples where the guy is white and the woman is black. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE. My wife actually noticed it first and pointed it out to me. I don’t really know what it means, but whatever, I don’t watch TV anyway.

      • leon

        This is because white women gave us trump. Therefore white women must be destroyed!!!!

      • Chipwooder

        I was just making the same point above. It’s really bizarre because white man/black woman is pretty unusual. Apparently those woke advertising execs have just as much of a taboo against showing white women with black men as your average Klansman.

    • Hyperion

      “This pisses me off:”

      Where you been, bro? You ain’t woke? White males like us only need head down to the privilege store and claim back whatever was stolen from us. Poor women and minorities aren’t allowed access to the privilege store. It says in big bold letters ‘WHITE MALES ONLY’ right on the sign outside the door!

      • kinnath

        My facebook friends are currently arguing whether or not Bernie is “white”. Because, his male, “white” privilege is why Liz tanked in the primaries.

      • Hyperion

        I’m surprised at why they wouldn’t be more outraged that the dems tossed out all the minority candidates first. I mean one of the first to go was black and also a woman. Then they got rid of the remaining POCs, then the guy guy, then they got rid of everyone except the two oldest whitest guys. Party of diversity!

      • Q Continuum

        What a sad life to be preoccupied with something so pointless and destructive.

      • Hyperion

        Women should be thankful that their hubbies unchain them from the stove for a couple of hours every 4 years so they can vote for a Rethuglican president.

      • R C Dean

        Vote by mail has solved that problem.

      • leon

        Now husbands can just vote for their wives, no unchaining required.

      • Fatty Bolger

        Imagine if we could live in a country where women were free to vote, run for office, drive, work, have careers, open their own bank accounts, buy their own houses, and legally do anything men are allowed to do. What an amazing thing that would be.

      • R C Dean

        Pish-tosh, old bean!

        *adjusts monocle, kicks orphan*

        Sounds like . . . Europe. Or a living hell. Same-same, really.

      • R C Dean

        Sounds like you need better friends.

        How can anyone seriously have an argument about whether Grandpa Gulag is white?

      • kinnath

        Jews are not white apparently.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        You’ve got some retarded friends man.

    • R C Dean

      Hmm. I wonder if Indian casinos/reservations have a workaround for liquor distribution laws?

      • Tundra

        And how.

    • kinnath

      It’s a privilege to have a liquor license;

      Says it all.

    • Nephilium

      One reason not to sell out of state is so you don’t have to deal with this guy.

  25. Q Continuum

    Just got back from hernia surgery; still whacked out on the drugs. Fine ladies to get me (and all of you) through it.

    http://archive.li/9eJbS

    Yoga pants, like beer, are proof that G-d exists and wants us to be happy.

    • DEG

      I wish you a speedy recovery.

      Seen on the men’s room wall at a bar in Pennsylvania that I like:

      “Yoga pants are proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
      “No they’re not. I could wear yoga pants and you would not be happy.”
      “Thanks Obama!”

      Unfortunately #13 is a view I can never truly enjoy at the gym as the Stairmasters are all by the back wall. Well, I guess I could stand and stare right behind a woman on the Stairmaster but I expect that would get me thrown out.

      #26 looks fun and #15 rather intriguing.

      • Q Continuum

        It may come as a surprise to many of you that I’m a boob man; but 26’s back porch is mesmerizing to me for some reason.

      • R C Dean

        It may come as a surprise to many of you that I’m a boob man

        No, not really.

    • pistoffnick

      Kids, drunks, and yoga pants don’t lie

    • Not Adahn

      In addition to having a trigger lock and being unloaded at all times, the AR-15 is missing the bolt carrier group.

      So it’s a gun-shaped object. Or a potential AR-15.

      • leon

        It’s a hunk of metal formed to look like a gun.

      • R C Dean

        Gun sculpture. Approximately as functional as this one, and this one, which I keep in my office.

      • Q Continuum

        Wouldn’t the trigger lock be enough? Might as well have welded that barrel shut; however I appreciate the “fuck off slaver” spirit of the gesture.

  26. Nephilium

    Good thing that I’m traveling next week. Sorry other people in Cleveland and Columbus.

    • grrizzly

      Does Biden get crowds now?

      • Fatty Bolger

        No, but the coronavirus will be blamed for it.

      • leon

        You’re saying that Trump got the Chinese to create the coronavirus to keep people from going to Joe Bidens rallies? Sounds like he solicited foreign interference into our election.

      • Nephilium

        It’ll still fuck up traffic even if it’s just him and the SS.

  27. leon

    FiveThirtyEight finally updated their forcasts…. Talk about a Hockey Stick….

    • robc

      That would make me question my entire line of work.

      • leon

        Predicting things is hard, especially if it’s about the future

      • Gadfly

        In fairness, the polls had a hockey stick too, so any model that relies heavily on polls is going to follow them.