Tuesday Morning Links

by | Mar 24, 2020 | Daily Links | 655 comments

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Banker and industrialist Andrew Mellon was born on this day. He shares it with escape artist Harry Houdini, actor Fatty Arbuckle, back robber Clyde Barrow, genius of animation Joseph Barbera, “The King of Cool” Steve McQueen, and gas-face legend (and football player) Peyton Manning.

OK…the links!

Man wins Darwin Award. Media blames Trump. This is about as irresponsible as you get when it comes to accurately reporting on something.

Here they come

Here comes the military! Hopefully they won’t be carrying weapons.

Holy shit, an accurate headline for a change! Which is why it appears on the opinion page.

Useless tweet that’ll at least make you laugh.

Not so sure this is a good idea. But it’s Chicago…what could possibly go wrong?

I guess this is now SFW

Solid marketing strategy. But wait, aren’t we trying to stop spreading disease?

I know he’s being vilified (and his statement is being interpreted incorrectly), but this guy gets it.

Here’s one way to get the left to demand things reopen.

Sorry for the downer links again. I’m almost to the point that I dread doing them. I apologize wholeheartedly. This shit has just caused the world to lose its collective minded that makes it difficult. I don’t know if the solution is for the governments to force a total paralysis of our way of life or if it’s to lock away all the at-risk people and let the rest of us go back to living, but I know what we’re doing now is the weirdest shit I’ve ever seen and it’s making the reaction to 9/11 look sane by comparison. I’d enjoy your thoughts on what you think the correct government response would be, if any. And also how to square your personal view of libertarianism with government involvement in your solution. So comment away…just talking about shitty Coronavirus news all day every day has got to be getting old for you as well. Maybe that will lead us to a pleasant diversion.

Here you go.

Have a great day, friends.

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sloopyinca

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655 Comments

  1. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Thank you Boober!

    • bacon-magic

      There’s already a boober on here.

      • Juan-Baptiste Emmanuel Seguin

        “The breasts are coming from… inside the house!”

    • sloopyinca

      Hey, man. Sorry for the downer links. To all of you.

      I can honestly say this was the most depressing attempt at finding news I’ve had since we started this joy of a website. I apologize for spreading it. I’m exasperated and sad and don’t understand what in the fucking world is going to end the insanity. Our (people, not us) collective need to have our lives run by others is leading us to embrace authoritarianism in ways not seen in some time. And probably on the largest scale globally since the dawn of man. It’s disheartening. And I fucking hate it. I’ll try to do better tomorrow. I just hope there are at least a dozen stories to choose from that don’t have to do with this fucking mess. But I’m not confident they exist.

      • Private Chipperbot

        People are already starting to push back. I think Trump actually sees that and why that was a big part of his thing yesterday. Even our HS age kids are done with it. They want to go back to school to after a week off.

      • Hyperion

        Yeah, I keep saying this, people are already getting tired of the over-reaction. The people spreading the panic, the media, are so sheltered and out of touch with the peasants that they don’t get it. I guess cocktail parties are not closed.

      • pan fried wylie

        teenagers eager to go to school? are they up early, chipper (heh) and ready to walk out the door too?

        Seek medical attention immediately. If they start helping out more around the house, well, get in your goodbyes.

      • Nephilium

        Don’t worry man. I’m in a lockdown state, and the release this site provides, and seeing there are other people not in constant pants shitting mode helps. A lot.

      • Gender Traitor

        ^That there – what he said!

      • Shirley Knott

        Totally agree. This is the best hang-out on the web.

      • Hyperion

        Yes, but dangerous because of those here spreading the rumor that we’re not all doomed yet.

      • Patio

        This much is true.
        /Spandau Ballet

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I know

      • Nephilium

        I KNOW!

        /probably a bit too inside baseball

      • Gender Traitor

        /probably a bit lacking in sucrose. ; )

      • Nephilium

        /kicks a rock

        https://www.charlesphoenix.com/tiki-mug/

        Besides, all should revel in the madness and wonder that is Charles Phoenix. And considering even Rufus can’t ask if most of us are working anymore…

      • Rhywun

        Yeap.

      • AlexinCT

        Upvoted.

      • Hyperion

        “Don’t worry man. I’m in a lockdown state”

        Maryland, libertarian paradise is still not in lock down. Non-essential businesses (I bet there’s an exception for any business owned by any friends or families of those in the State House in Annapolis), but no lock down yet.

      • Pat

        The reaction has been absurd, and the complacency with which people have accepted authoritarian solutions and allowed themselves to be induced to panic by sensationalist bullshit makes me sick, quite honestly. Every day of this shit gets me one step closer to selling everything, grabbing up a piece of land, and going off the grid entirely. What a worthless fucking excuse for such a once great society.

      • AlexinCT

        Pat hits the thing that worries me the most right on the head: how complacent people were (and I suspect it has a lot less to do with just being scared of this thing). My girlfriend still gets mad at me because I refuse to panic and keep telling her this is all idiotic and totalitarian and scary, because I am betting a ton of our top men are actually more interested in measuring how compliant people are with their demands vs. fixing things.

        She did have to admit I might have a point when I told her the fact that the evil fucks running the country are still playing politics means that I am either right that team blue would rather kill us all than accept that for now they will not have power, the whole “Rather rule in Hell” thing all over, or they are pretending this is something it is not. Maybe it is both, but in any case, it is a serious negative and something that should make more people realize we are being played.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        Every day of this shit gets me one step closer to selling everything, grabbing up a piece of land, and going off the grid entirely.

        Yup. People suck.

      • juris imprudent

        the complacency with which people have accepteddemanded authoritarian solutions

        FTFY

      • pan fried wylie

        both really. one group demands it, the other group accepts it so they don’t get a rock thrown at their head.

      • robc

        what in the fucking world is going to end the insanity.

        HCQ + Zpack, hopefully.

      • sloopyinca

        That might slow or even end the virus. It won’t do shit for the insanity though. Too any people have already embraced the insane second-level effects the Coronavirus has caused. There’s no going back from this ledge. The world is jumping off and they’re gonna drag everyone with them, even those who keep their wits about them when shit gets weird.
        I wish I had the money to buy a small island with access to plenty of fresh water and just…go the fuck away with my friends and family and never come back (except to maybe watch OSU beat TTUN every last Thursday in November).

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        won’t do shit for the insanity though.

        That Arizona link says otherwise.

      • invisible finger

        “Too any people have already embraced the insane second-level effects”

        They were already too far gone before the virus. The virus merely exposed them.

      • AlexinCT

        ^^^THIS^^^

        It’s the new apocalyptic cult.

        Pass them the fucking cool-aid and save the rest of us plz.

      • Tonio

        “Here’s one way to get the left to demand things reopen.”

        That’s a particularly snarky headline. Exactly the type of thing we need in these dark times.

        Also, Boober Eats.

      • bacon-magic

        Keep it up Sloopy, I live in Illinois and have to shelter in place. This and the Reasonoids server are my go to info sites and humor.

      • Jarflax

        Sloopy, sounds like you are in the same place mentally that I am. Watching even libertarian and conservative friends cheer on Dewine and spout platitudes about “all coming together” (which in context means not coming together at all) is infuriating and depressing me like nothing ever has before. We (the pro liberty side) are not winning. We are not going to win. We aren’t even holding the line. It doesn’t even take an existential threat to get people to suck on the government teat, just give us a nasty virus and we’ll give up the 1st Amendment.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I take some solace in the fact that we lost 100 years ago. There’s nothing we can do to return to libertopia, there never was. All we can do is try to manage the decline.

  2. Patio

    Has anybody checked with the Simpsons to see how this whole shitshow plays out?

    • Nephilium

      We release the mutant gorillas near the end, right?

  3. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Always abortion, all the time. We just can’t get away from that issue.

    • Animal

      I’ve always found it amazing how people on both sides of any issue can constantly spin any issue into a discussion on abortion.

      Take an article on tax reform. Someone, in the comments, will almost certainly do a lateral arabesque away from discussion tax policy to complain that “…well, our tax base would be much larger if liberal Democrats weren’t aborting babies!”

      It’s baffling.

      • Festus

        I’m agnostic on the practice but the way it is used as a cudgel by both sides just makes me retreat from the conversation. I’ve got zero to add and anything I say will make everyone hate me.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I think it’s one of those issues that cuts to the heart of people’s worldviews, which makes it seem to fit everywhere to them.

        To SoCons, abortion is ground zero for the responsibility abdicating, sexually immoral secular humanism of the modern West.

        To progs, restriction on abortion is ground zero for the continued Western oppression of marginalized groups and establishment of de-facto religion through a faux-humanitarian cause.

      • Swiss Servator

        Or…it is murder/freedom.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I think that’s the positive reflection of my framing. SoCons talk about the death cult of the left and about being Pro-life. Progs talk about the patriarchy and the right to privacy.

        It all nests down into a foundational precept for each worldview. Innate human dignity for the pro-lifers, sexual and medical freedom for the pro-choicers.

      • Akira

        To SoCons, abortion is ground zero for the responsibility abdicating, sexually immoral secular humanism of the modern West.

        That’s the part that really galls me about it – the idea that this predictable consequence of sex is reframed as something that just happens by no fault of your own.

        And I don’t understand why the Left makes it out to be the single biggest issue regarding women’s freedom. They’re still free to have sex with whomever they choose; they just have to use condoms, birth control, IUDs, or one of the various other methods for preventing pregnancy. I’m kind of on the fence about whether or not abortion is killing a human being, but it’s ridiculous to pretend that outlawing abortion would turn the country into the Handmaid’s Tale.

  4. Nephilium

    Sloopy:

    I may have found some “sports” to report on. Otherwise you may have to devolve to watching Twitch streams.

    • Patio

      Cool, but BMC beer pong is bush league. Let’s play barleywine pong. High grav or go home.

      • Nephilium

        Barleywine, I thought you said big?

        /busts out World Wide Stout and 120 minute

      • Patio

        18% isn’t ‘big’, it’s…huge. I’ll allow it. I always thought those were both too booze-forward. Definitely beers that need cellaring for a good long while before consuming.

      • Nephilium

        Well, I do still have some Gavel Smasher sitting around if you want to step it down a bit.

        Off the top of my head, I’ve got a four pack of each of the Dogfish ones in the cellar, and 2 of the Oak aged Vanilla expression of the WWS.

      • Patio

        Good ol’ Hoppin’ Frog. Any of the B.O.R.I.S. variants would do the job.

      • Nephilium

        Back in the heady days of early March, when I used to go into the office two days a week, I drove past the Hoppin’ Frog facility. They also usually do a solid special release on the Friday after Thanksgiving, and have the ordering process down (long line, clipboards with order forms and pencils comes back, fill it out and hand it in at the front of the line).

      • sloopyinca

        the Friday after Thanksgiving

        Also known as “the day before the annual beatdown” in some midwestern quarters.

      • Patio

        Friday after Thanksgiving? Gotta spread those beer hunting resources out that day. That’s BCBS release day as well, no?

      • Nephilium

        Patio: I try to support the independents. Besides, there’s also a meadary and a couple other breweries down around Hoppin’ Frog.

        Now I’m curious how many breweries up here in CLE are still offering takeout food and beer. Friday I’m planning on seeing if a local taphouse considers Yuengling a domestic (and eligible for $5 growler fills), otherwise, I may have to suffer with the $15 growler of Mad Elf.

      • Patio

        Neph: I completely agree about the independents. I got out of the beer game in 2013, quit drinking completely. robc probably won’t remember, but I used TOS as a bit of a sounding board at the time and he was part of the conversation. I was known as dunkel back then. Here’s why: https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/bull-and-bush-patios-vat-dunkel-weiss/21431/
        Anyway, I still follow the industry tangentially and still have tons of friends in the industry. Particularly at the Bull and Bush in Denver.
        My niece is getting married at the Great Lakes taproom in November. These days, the energy I used to put into beer goes into grilling/smoking meat. 6 years in Austin got me down that brisket rabbit hole. Slainte.

      • Nephilium

        Patio:

        If you can make it up here come November, and there’s any places still open, and are up for it. Feel free to reach out. Google’s mail at my handle will get to me. There’s a good dozen breweries and restaurants on West 25th now.

      • Patio

        Neph: Will do. My wife is from Cleveland, her mom and brothers still live up there so we get up that way once in a while. I’ll look you up.

      • l0b0t

        Our local good beer store is closed. He shut down last week and I don’t think he has the ability to survive a prolonged shutdown. It’s a tiny storefront, packed floor to ceiling with cases and shelves of bottles and cans. It’s just the owner and his wife working the place and I don’t know if they another source of income. This truly sucks. Also, got blocked a dear friend on DerpBook a few minutes ago. She was waxing positive about some CNN appearance by the Cuomo brothers but was opining that they were too difficult to tell apart. I posited that Rat-Faced Andy: The Mobbed Up Lawyer is the Guv, while his retarded little brother Fredo is the bimbo who reads the news. She was not amused but she doesn’t live in NY and she is allowed to leave her house and go to work so I might just be a little more invested in the situation.

      • Private Chipperbot

        /pedantically throws flag. 120 minute ABV varies and therefore cannot be used as one team may have a higher ABV than the other.

      • robc

        surely they are playing from same batch?

      • Private Chipperbot

        /picks up flag.

      • pan fried wylie

        Let’s play barleywine pong. High grav or go home.

        So the balls smash flat the first time they hit the table? Pass.

        Alternatively, I feel like microgravity beer pong would take forever.

        #1GisBestG

    • Tonio

      Ima just say here that disc golf should actually be a safe sport since you don’t touch anyone else’s discs. I wonder if the stoners have stopped passing the bowl yet?

      • sloopyinca

        I think I’ll go play real golf today to try and clear my head.

        As an aside, my dad turned 72 last week. Two days ago, he shot his age for the first time in his life. When he called to tell me, he said “the best part is that it’ll get easier to shoot it in a few years when I move up to the combo tees!’ like the positive-spin-on-life guy he’s always been. Fucker shot even par on a 6800 yard course at seal level at 72 years of age. And I can’t even break 80 anymore from lack of play.

      • Festus

        That is really impressive, Sloop! At my best when I was playing a bunch I think my handicap hovered around 8-12 so I feel your pain. I’d be a bogie golfer for a good long time if I ever got back into it. There’s always hope and this story confirms it!

      • Tonio

        Go, your dad.

      • R C Dean

        “you don’t touch anyone else’s discs”

        Well, I hope not . . . Oh, discs. Carry on.

      • Nephilium

        To rough for you?

      • Shirley Knott

        It takes two hands …

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        We still shake hands, and smoke joints, easier than bowls in the wind…..

  5. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Trump is rumbling about loosening restrictions while the NYT is printing suggestions like this:

    As soon as possible, experts said, the United States must develop an alternative to the practice of isolating infected people at home, as it endangers families. In China, 75 to 80 percent of all transmission occurred in family clusters.

    That pattern has already repeated itself here. Seven members of a large family in New Jersey were infected; four have already died. After a lawyer in New Rochelle, N.Y., fell ill, his wife, son and daughter all tested positive.

    Instead of a policy that advises the infected to remain at home, as the Centers for Disease and Prevention now does, experts said cities should establish facilities where the mildly and moderately ill can recuperate under the care and observation of nurses.

    Wuhan created many such centers, called “temporary hospitals,” each a cross between a dormitory and a first-aid clinic. They had cots and oxygen tanks, but not the advanced machines used in intensive care units.

    American cities now have many spaces that could serve as isolation wards. Already New York is considering turning the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center into a temporary hospital, along with the Westchester Convention Center and two university campuses.

    Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida said on Saturday that state officials were also considering opening isolation wards.

    In China, said Dr. Bruce Aylward, leader of the World Health Organization’s observer team there, people originally resisted leaving home or seeing their children go into isolation centers with no visiting rights — just as Americans no doubt would.

    In China, they came to accept it.

    I predict that attempting to remove and isolate asymptomatic children from homes will end badly for anyone who tries it.

    Link

    • invisible finger

      News outlets have been getting 90% of everything WRONG for over a century, despite the endless supply of experts they seem to find with ease.

    • ChipsnSalsa

      I would consider it parental negligence to allow your kid to be taken from you and “cared” for by whoever in some makeshift hospital.

      • LCDR_Fish

        If anything, the kids should be taking care of the older folks who get sick. Most likely outcome at this point.

    • Festus

      From the dead-thread. Up here Trudeau is gonna waggle his baby willy this morning while Trump is talking lesser restrictions. I’ve never seen such a gross overreaction to any threat. Provinces have banned cross border travel, states of emergency declared across the Nation. People are gonna be pissed if this turns out to be fart in the wind. Went to my favorite beer store. Closed. Others are still open but WTF? Find out today that three passengers traveled through the local airport where Wifey works as a screener and all tested positive for The Yellow Peril. On the 17th. Nobody was informed until yesterday. According to protocal everyone in the vicinity should have gone to immediate 14 day quarantine and the area disinfected. Too late now… Some asshole higher up dropped the ball. Now they have a panicky crowd of workers and everyone that they came into contact with for six days.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      In China they did this. In China they did that. In China, China, China.

      FUCK CHINA.

      • bacon-magic

        The media got kicked out of China, what about that suggestion hmmmmm?

      • Tejicano

        Ain’t no way the pandemic in China is 100% under control but they are reporting that they have no new cases.

        Sounds to me like they told their people “We are not going to find any new cases” – which anybody who grew up there knows the real meaning is that nobody had better step forward claiming to have the corona virus. Stay home and get better or don’t get better. The CCP has probably instructed doctors to take the worst cases but nobody will claim it to be corona.

        All fixed now!

    • RAHeinlein

      Friedman is on Squawk discussing – “I’m not a doctor, but….talked with people”

      • Festus

        Fellow New Yorkers in a hot-spot. Fuck off Friedman.

    • Rebel Scum

      So you are saying we should concentrate the undesirables sick into camps.

      • Shirley Knott

        Leftism has always divided into camps. Internment, labor, and death.

  6. Private Chipperbot

    correct government response

    You are going to get this virus. If you are 60 years or younger and in good health, you have little to worry about. If you are older and/or have compromised health consider this a killer. Stay inside, stay clean, stay away from people. Get your groceries delivered or do curbside pick up.

    Schools – open. Let the kids get it, pass it. Remember chicken pox parties? Let’s get immune before it comes back next fall.
    Business – open. Make some changes to accommodate those at risk. Offer delivery or take out. Clean your shit. Let’s get immune before this comes back next fall.

    There, do I win a Nobel?

    • sloopyinca

      That’s a tough sell for the “if it saves just one life” crowd. And that’s a really big crowd most people running for office are so concerned about it skews their vision.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Sadly this is the pushback I get from almost all my normal friends.

        You can point out the fact that even for people over 60 who are healthy, this isn’t that scary. Nope. Anything that isn’t pure pants shitting terror measures, is going to kill everyone.

      • AlexinCT

        From my experience with these pests and the things they said when you caught them in a weak/unguarded moment, I suspect that a most of the “if it saves just one life” crowd are really about using that cudgel to promote some real different agenda that would otherwise result in them getting a serious ass kicking from sane people.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I think you’re attributing too much intellectual consistency and forethought to them. They’re the viral equivalent of the girl standing on the top of the couch screaming “GET IT OUT! GET IT OUT!” when she sees a spider skitter across the floor.

      • AlexinCT

        Touche.

      • Charles Easterly

        “This just in Private Chipperbot wants people to die!”

        Thank you for the link, Chip, I had not seen that video of Remy’s before.

      • pan fried wylie

        Sure he does, but in woodchippers, not from infectious disease. Give him SOME credit.

    • invisible finger

      Don’t you care about our precious medical system?? One of our glorious bureaucrats could have a heart attack and die because medical personnel were too busy with deplorables with a virus.

      It’s precious because it’s scarce. Never mind that it’s government-induced scarcity that makes it so precious…

      • Tonio

        “Certificates of need.”

      • ChipsnSalsa

        That’s what came to my mind when we get these essential business only mandates.

  7. Rebel Scum

    Hopefully they won’t be carrying weapons.

    How else are Northam and friends supposed to confiscate guns from you insolent, redneck gun-nuts?

  8. Pat

    Man wins Darwin Award. Media blames Trump.

    “Idiots take a similar sounding but different drug than the one that Australian and Chinese researchers have been touting as a treatment for weeks, which was picked up by the media and Trump” might have been a slightly better headline.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      It’s the middle class adult version of the Tide Pod challenge.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      The China cure to the China virus.

    • Pope Jimbo

      I wonder how many warnings were printed on the side of the aquarium additive about not ingesting it?

      Maybe that is the silver lining? Think of the money to be made in California alone printing “Do not ingest this poisonous thing. It will not cure the Wuhan Flu”!

      • AlexinCT

        Maybe we should not post warnings and let nature take its course before we reach peak ideocracy. We all have to wonder if things would be less crazy if we had let some of these paste eating fucks play in traffic to spare us the stupid we deal with these days.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Think of the money to be made in California alone printing “Do not ingest this poisonous thing. It will not cure the Wuhan Flu”!

        That money will be made after the lawyers make theirs suing the manufacturer for not printing that warning.

  9. Certified Public Asshat

    The 1119-page bill is Christmas in March for liberal special interests. It imposes racial and gender pay equity provisions, diversity on corporate boards, increased use of minority-owned banks by federal offices, and a grab-bag of other diversity-themed requirements. It increases the collective bargaining power for unions and cancels all the debt owed by the U.S. Postal Service to the U.S. Treasury. For the global warming crowd there are increased fuel emission standards and required carbon offsets for airlines, plus tax credits for alternative energy programs. For the kids there is a provision for student loan payment deferment, and for the education bureaucrats who overcharge them a $9.5 billion giveaway to colleges and universities. It gives $100 million to juvenile justice programs, and suspends various aspects of enforcement of immigration laws

    Not that I support it, but checks to everyone could be done on one page, double spaced.

    • Nephilium

      But then how will you make sure to direct some of that slush money to the people who financed your election?

      • AlexinCT

        ^^^THIS^^^

        And this is why I know this shit is not serious. I would suspect that if these evil fucks really thought this was a serious problem they would not engage in this sort of behavior. That they are still peddling the same insane shit they did before something reminded them that unicorn farts will not affect the real world tells me that we are being had, they are just so fucking evil that they don’t care, they are too stupid to realize they are being stupid & evil, or a combination of all of those. In any case, the lesson is that they all are fucking horrible shitbags.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Anybody else remember the almost certainly illegal settlement that the Obama DOJ made with BOA over mortgage fraud where hundreds of millions were funneled off to ACORN and other “community organizers”?

      • AlexinCT

        The people now demanding more of the same hope most of us don’t, and they are getting a ton of help from the dnc operatives with bylines trying to unelect bad orange man.

    • Gender Traitor

      The 1119-page bill is Christmas in March for liberal special interests.

      Pandermonium?

      • Nephilium

        Pandebtmonium?

      • Tonio

        Nice portmanteau, GT.

    • Festus

      Kinda pointless if you can’t buy anything with it. I think Pelosi should be forced to wipe her ass with that 1119 pages until she dies from septicemia from the paper cuts and fecal contamination of her vitals.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      THE PELOSI CASH PLAN:• $1,500 checks for individuals• $3,000 for joint filers• Extra $1,500 per kid up to 3• Maximum $7,500 per family• Universal for those w/ taxpayer ID # (includes seniors, unemployed)• Individuals making $75K+ in 2020 will pay some/all of it back— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) March 24, 2020

      I guess that is how you distract everyone with all of the other bullshit in the bill.

      • sloopyinca

        $3,000 for joint filers• Extra $1,500 per kid up to 3

        They’re gonna stroke me a $7,500 check?

        Individuals making $75K+ in 2020 will pay some/all of it back

        Then take it right the fuck back.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Well double that for joint filers, but yes.

      • invisible finger

        Indian givers.

      • robc

        Warren’s view on this plan is unknown.

      • invisible finger

        It’s like all her plans. Hand out free shit, call it income; and raise income taxes.

        Ropes in all the dummies incapable of looking at a plan as a whole.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        A hard cutoff income is stupid stupid stupid. People are already gaming their incomes to stay within the ACA subsidy requirements because the impact of that extra income dollar can cost you $25K in premiums.

      • leon

        THE PELOSI CASH PLAN:• $1,500 checks for individuals• $3,000 for joint filers• Extra $1,500 per kid up to 3• Maximum $7,500 per family• Universal for those w/ taxpayer ID # (includes seniors, unemployed)• Individuals making $75K+ in 2020 will pay some/all of it back

        Just cancel the Income tax for a year. What is the point of sending me money if i’m going to be double taxed next year…

      • B.P.

        “Universal for those w/ taxpayer ID #”

        So illegal aliens, then.

    • Don Escaped Texas

      Peter Schmidt (The 92ers) @The92ers is calling it QE infinity

    • Don Escaped Texas

      Jim Bruce @FedDocumentary is calling it Infinite Support For Everything

  10. Not Adahn

    This Full City Roast Columbian I tried because my regular coffee was not in stock is excellent.

    /silver lining

    • Festus

      *sighs* I miss coffee…

  11. robc

    Peyton Manning story:

    On my quixotic journey from BG to Charleston, we spent 2 months in an airBNB in Evansville, which I mentioned before. The reason for Evansville was that my daughter was in a feeding therapy program at a hospital in Evansville. So since we were homeless anyway, it was convenient to be homeless near the hospital instead of 2 hours away. While we were there, the hospital changed names, it is now the Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital. We were invited to the grand opening, as they chose 9 kid patients as success stories, they got to hold the ribbon for Peyton to cut and they filmed a commercial with Peyton.

    Security kept the parents away, although he did walk by us at one point and say “hey, hows it going?” That is my lifetime interaction with the Manning family.

    • Private Chipperbot

      I rode in a elevator with him, one of their coaches, and a couple other players in Houston after one of the hurricanes. They stayed in the same hotel we did before we shipped out to Louisiana.

      I saw the coach’s super bowl ring and said holy shit, that’s huge. He laughed. I looked at Manning and said, “It’s you.” He nodded and said, “yup, it is.” Shook my hand. Seemed like a nice dude.

      • robc

        My cousin’s husband was a fractional jet pilot (tricky with only 1 wing), and used to fly Peyton to charity events and stuff. He said he was always a nice guy, unlike some CEOs he flew.

    • ttyrant

      Not quite an interaction, but I went to the 1997 Florida Citrus Bowl as a seven year old. Besides Manning utterly destroying Northwestern’s defense, the things I remember most were getting a zip lock bag of a fruit upon entering the stadium, and being clad in purple in the middle of Tennessee’s fan section.

  12. Pat

    I know he’s being vilified (and his statement is being interpreted incorrectly), but this guy gets it.

    The risk to one’s life driving to work every day is about 10 orders of magnitude higher than the risk of getting anything worse than flu symptoms from the dreaded coronavirus IF you happen to catch it. Jesus fucking Christ this shit is retarded.

    • robc

      Every day for how many years? The risk of any single day commuting is much lower.

      • Festus

        Depends on the commute.

      • R C Dean

        Yup.

        *checks overnight traffic report for Tucson, straps on gloves, body armor, and firesuit, checks roll bar and 5 point belt*

        Some towns, the drivers just plain suck.

  13. Don Escaped Texas

    at-risk people

    If you are 60 years or younger and in good health, you have little to worry about.

    This is already a week old: “Lots of young people are getting hospitalized, a lot more than we’re messaging, and, yes, maybe you don’t die, but living with a damaged lung or damaged organ is not a good outcome,” said Prabhjot Singh, a physician and health systems expert at Mount Sinai Health System and the Icahn School of Medicine.

    I’ve had a bad limp for forty years and wish most days I could unchoose one choice I made once upon a time. Be careful out there.

    • Private Chipperbot

      Did you take an arrow to the knee?

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger unless it happens to make you weaker which lung damage typically does.

    • R C Dean

      “a physician and health systems expert”

      Academic doc. Can disregard.

    • Akira

      UPDATE: This story has been updated to clarify the study sample included in the CDC’s survey. The number of confirmed cases is almost certainly well below the number of actual cases, meaning the percentage of young Americans who contract the coronavirus and require hospitalization is likely much lower. A previous version of this story was unclear about the difference between confirmed cases and actual case numbers.

      Could have read that and skipped the entire article.

  14. Rebel Scum

    Democrats try to hijack coronavirus stimulus for liberal Christmas in March

    What’s a few trillion dollars for unrelated, constitutionally dubious pet-projects among friends?

    • Don Escaped Texas

      Trump won’t sign it; he’s not an evil Democrat.

      • Rebel Scum

        I’m skeptical. This whole economic mess is the gov’ts making and not in the usual market interference/taxes/regulation way. This time it is a result of states forcing business out of operation because…a virus that is maybe a bit worse than the seasonal flu? It’s horseshit. And if the gov’t is going to force your business out of operation you are owed recompense, likewise for employees unable to work as a result. I do hope he doesn’t go along with any of the pork spending nonsense, but who knows.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      If the Reps are smart and play this right they can use it to eviscerate the Dems and still get their bill passed. Unfortunately they’re not smart and they’re also spineless so they’ll fold or mishandle the spin at the very least.

      • Drake

        I’d rather they passed nothing than the bag of shit the Democrats are proposing.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        I agree…the Dems’ proposal is a terrible pork laden pet project fulfilling bag of shit.

    • Rhywun

      I’m at a loss for words at their behavior with this fiasco.

      • UnCivilServant

        “This is ‘must-pass’ legislation for the other party. If we load it up with stuff we want, it’ll get passed”

        Remember, these people lack humanity or empathy.

      • Festus

        I wish Pelosi were an addled old broad but she seem’s to have lost none of her conniving instincts. Daddy taught this one well…

  15. Rebel Scum

    Not so sure this is a good idea.

    I assume they will stop policing crimes with victims anyway. And no you can’t have a weapon to defend yourself, subject citizen.

  16. Stinky Wizzleteats

    Other than chloroquine what else is in that fish tank cleaner because that totally makes me want to go out and buy some. Seriously though, anyone that starts popping fish tank disinfectant willy nilly , while asymptomatic no less, isn’t a very sympathetic figure in my eyes. If you can’t say certain things because the stupidest among us may act on some misinterpretation of what you said there are going to be very few things you can say.

    • ChipsnSalsa

      How far will go to prove that, in fact, Orange Man Bad?

    • Drake

      I’m no scientist, but when a chemical name has some extra syllables in it… it might not be the chemical you are looking for.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Nope, nope, you need to stop covering for Trump. He absolutely told people to go out and take fish tank cleaner and to not consult a physician first. The demonization of chloroquine as a medication is absolutely irresponsible on the part of the media. I haven’t seen a drug get press this bad since the bath salts fake epidemic of 2012 or whenever it was.

      • sloopyinca

        When Trump tells people to increase their sodium intake, the media will surely be there to blame him for some dumbshit that takes three tablets of sodium cyanide. That much is a certainty.

      • invisible finger

        If chloroquine was a valid medication, Obama would have informed everyone long before Orangeman. And you can’t trust international organizations about anything except climate change data.

      • AlexinCT

        Chloroquine-coveffe?

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Ah, so it looks like they took around 13 grams of the stuff give or take. No wonder someone ended up dead.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        I read that as tablespoon for some reason. Still, it adds up to 5 grams or so. Still too much.

  17. Rebel Scum

    Strippers staff ‘Boober Eats’ delivery service during coronavirus lockdown

    Life The market finds a way.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      The last thing you want right now is to be tossed into the coronavirus incubation medium that is jail except maybe go to the emergency room.

    • invisible finger

      How are the judges’ pension funds doing?

      No jail time, but you will lose the entire fine.

    • Pat

      I have my doubts that any of these made up charges would stick.

      Same. This shit is so blatantly unconstitutional it’s absurd.

      • AlexinCT

        By the time you get to prove that you will be down tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, probably unemployed and homeless, and if you are lucky avoided some cop mistaking you for a dog and ventilating your ass.

      • leon

        The courts are terribly shy about limiting the other branches “Emergency Powers”.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      “Hello 911, I would like to report a theft…”

      “Sorry, police are not pursuing those types of crime at the moment.”

      “They also appear to be violating shelter in place.”

      “Fucking hell, police are on their way.”

      • Fourscore

        “…and they’re laughing, walking their dog(s) and everything”

      • juris imprudent

        Throwback but appropriate.

      • Drake

        The shirt, the hair…

      • BakedPenguin

        He might have some drumming talent. Thinking he might be a love child of someone.

    • Pope Jimbo

      What I’m worried about is how bad having a citation for not sheltering in place will look on your rap sheet after all this nonsense is over.

      Hopefully it is a felony too. Need to make sure those dirty civil libertarians lose their voting and 2A rights.

      • ChipsnSalsa

        Badge of honor I would hope.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Me too, but I bet people would rather hire a murderer or thief.

  18. Rebel Scum

    It’s because you damned harlots can’t refrain from showing your ankles.

    Don’t laugh. Laughing would be “Islamophobic,” and Khadar Bin Muhammad, the imam of the Masjid Bilal Ibn Rabah in Syracuse, is not making a joke. In a video posted on YouTube last week and reposted by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), the learned imam explains it all for us. Offering us a revelation that the Center for Disease Control and everyone else who is working on the coronavirus crisis have overlooked, the imam explained that “safety comes through tauhid,” that is, Islam’s concept of monotheism. So if you don’t want to contract the coronavirus, turn to Allah. Khadar Bin Muhammad says: “Every destruction and every harm comes through shirk” – that is, having other gods besides Allah – “and through worshipping other than Allah, believing in other than Allah, and thinking that [anything] other than Allah can harm you or have an effect on you. All harm comes through that. That is why you see the kuffar [infidels] are the scaredest people.”

    The infidels aren’t just scared when they should be trusting in Allah. They are also the cause of all the trouble in the first place – specifically infidel women. According to Khadar Bin Muhammad, the coronavirus is a manifestation of Allah’s wrath against their outrageous immodesty. “How many women do we see,” he asked, “may Allah guide them and protect them, who walk around and show their ankles? Is this not part of her awra [private parts]?”

    • Nephilium

      Is this not part of her awra [private parts]?”

      I’m really hoping something got lost in translation here…

      • Tonio

        At least they’ve advanced from medieval to Victorian.

      • AlexinCT

        Someone should ask this Imam about all those people running Iran that got it and then also died….

        I guess if he is a Wahabist he will say it was Allah’s will cause those Shia are all worse than the infidels.

    • Pat

      We should institute the death penalty for women who show their ankles. It might save just one life…

    • UnCivilServant

      I’m afraid the only appropriate response is to point and laugh.

    • LJW

      I’d bet money he has a stash of ankle porn on his computer.

    • Tejicano

      So I guess the Iranians who are dying in droves from this disease must be praying to the wrong Allah.

    • Ozymandias

      When I was pretty new in Afghanistan, I was riding along with some old salt in a convoy and he started talking about all of the “T&A” in Afghanistan. I finally looked over at him like he was nuts: “Toes ‘n Ankles, Baby. ALLLLLL of that Toe and Ankle.” I had a pretty good chuckle over that one.

  19. Fourscore

    My kids are terrified that I might get the big V. I’m convinced that its for old people so what? me worry? I’m waiting for that big check that seems to keep getting bigger and bigger.

    Damn, 7K a week for life. Should be enough for a cup of cheap to go gas station coffee (I hope).

    An old doctor once told me that “folks seem to get better in spite of everything we do”. I think that’s true but we only get those anecdotes from those that are still alive.

    • ChipsnSalsa

      Viagra? They don’t want another sibling to split the inheritance with?

    • Pope Jimbo

      Uffda, Fourscore. You gotta hang on at least for the Honey Harvest. It would be a huge tragedy if the world’s largest Glibertarian Fest had to close.

      I know I’d also miss you a lot, even if you do always make me feel guilty about my slothful and indolent life.

      • Festus

        Not allowed to die, “Dad”!

      • Fourscore

        Not to worry, I already ordered/paid for the bees. You know how cheap I am, not going to let someone else use “my bees”.

        I used to worry that my daughter’s ex- would be burning my firewood but since he’s out of the picture that’s one less worry. I have a lot of HHarvesting

        left, more glibs need indoctrination and I know just the guys that can do it, good and hard.

        Third Sunday in Sep!

      • Ozymandias

        I have marked this on my calendar and cleared it with the missus. Now I just have to start planning how I want to make my way there.

    • Sean
    • Pope Jimbo

      SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!!

      Do you seriously want to come up with a treatment that would end this glorious scare? Won’t anyone think of the kids media?

      • Drake

        It’s getting pretty transparent now. There are perfectly safe, effective, and cheap treatments for this thing unless your health is already in the shitter. But we’ll keep the economy shutdown and propose a raid on the Treasury in the $Trillions while gutting the Constitution. It’s nothing except a power-grab.

      • Pope Jimbo

        The Wu Tank Clan

    • juris imprudent

      Vladimir? C’mon, Russian trolling all too obvious.

      • Drake

        Do (((those))) kind of Russians count?

      • juris imprudent

        From the outside or the inside?

    • Pope Jimbo

      I’m sure that the comeback will be:

      Doc: I’ve treated 350 patients and none have died.

      Normie: Yeah, well that doesn’t count because those 350 weren’t old and didn’t also have something seriously wrong with them. Everyone knows that it isn’t all that dangerous or young and/or healthy people.

      Doc: So you are saying we can open things back up?

      Normie: NO WAY! This shit is totes dangerous to everyone! Only a monster would suggest opening shit back up!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The issue I take with the opposition to the treatment is that the downsides/risks of that schedule are absolutely minimal. It’s well worth attempting it on a much much larger scale while recording results. The incremental approach is stupid.

        When you’re talking vaccines, those can go exceedingly bad and have far far more risks to them.

        I’ve always thought the therapeutic approach to this is where we’ll win. Betting on a prophylactic is just dumb.

      • Drake

        This.

        I have no confidence in Federal Agencies like the FDA to appropriately access risk and take action in a crisis.

  20. Rufus the Monocled

    Re the bat pissing. If you follow the thread there’s one sucking its own dick.

    Paul Krugman is jealous.

    • AlexinCT

      You know why dogs lick their balls?

      …….

      Cause they can…

    • pistoffnick

      I’M jealous

  21. LCDR_Fish

    So…surprised to see so much negativity at NRO for the virus situation in general.

    Separate note though, any thoughts on this one? https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/criminal-justice-reform-bernie-sanders-plan-cut-prison-population-by-50-percent-dangerous/

    I haven’t looked up the numbers recently, but I was under the impression that non-violent drug offenders made up a larger percentage of the population. Guess I wasn’t really taking into account the difference between Jail and Prison.

    • Festus

      Having lived a past life on the skeezy margins, most of those “non-violent” drug offenders are anything but. That charge is what stuck.

  22. Certified Public Asshat

    Hysterical Matt Walsh has a solution:

    We Don’t Have To Destroy Our Economy To Prevent Mass Deaths From The Coronavirus. Here’s A Different Plan

    I’m sure it will not be entirely “safe” to go back to work after 15 days — indeed I suspect 15 days was a somewhat arbitrary time frame to begin with — but we have no other choice if we want to preserve our civilization. Does that mean that we fling open our doors, run outside, and start infecting each other with abandon? No, of course not.

    But maybe we could follow a plan kind of like this:

    1. Open the economy back up. Let young and healthy people work and feed their families.
    2. Encourage masks, or even require them, for certain industries where transmission might be especially likely.
    3. Keep nursing homes quarantined.
    4. Tell other at-risk people to remain in their homes for now.
    5. Test aggressively and quarantine the infected.
    6. Provide financial relief to at-risk people who cannot work.

    • sloopyinca

      Makes more sense than what we’re doing.

    • Tonio

      Keep nursing homes quarantined.

      What does that mean, exactly? Because there is a big difference between “no visitors” and strict quarantine. The staff have to go home to their families. Supplies come into the facility, etc.

      • R C Dean

        Board up the doors and windows. Check back for survivors in 2 weeks.

      • sloopyinca

        Boarding the doors won’t work. You need to weld them shut.

        -the Chinese Communist Party

      • The Last American Hero

        They’re old and senile. Just tell them their family already came and visited just yesterday.

      • Fourscore

        Made me laugh, since some grand kids are coming today for a few days visit. If they pull that on me I’ll refer them back to you, Hero.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      I didn’t read the whole thing but this list makes a lot of sense, particularly in light of new treatments and tests that are coming online.

    • creech

      Came down this morning to the spouse ranting about Trump being an “asshole” for wanting to re-open our economy prematurely and cause “millions to die.”
      The Chinavirus is driving us all nuts. So I said something to the effect that “35,000 die each year in traffic accidents and we don’t shut down the economy.”
      Response: “That’s different; we can’t do anything about that.” My response: “How many traffic vehicle accidents happened in 1875? Sure, we could stop traffic deaths if we really wanted to.” Guess who probably won’t get laid for a week?

      • Rhywun

        we can’t do anything about that

        *snort*

        (sorry)

      • Certified Public Asshat

        What we are doing now is accomplishing this great feat.

      • Festus

        That’s why I don’t speak of politics or philosophy except for here, muh safe space.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Reducing the speed limit to 20 mph and strictly enforcing it would reduce traffic deaths significantly but who wants to live in that hellscape?

      • Chipwooder

        Here’s what I don’t get about the “MILLIONS WILL DIE!!!!” crowd: this virus has been circulating in China for at least six months, right? And they have somewhere between 3 and 4 thousand deaths officially. Now, of course the CCP is a bunch of liars, but even if you add a zero to that and assume 30-40K dead, we’re still a very long way off from millions. So, if nowhere near a hundred thousand, let alone a million, have died in China, how exactly is the US getting to that point?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I would add two zeros to the China total before I got comfortable with the number.

        I guess what confronts me is that people blindly accept the Chinese numbers while simultaneously proclaiming the US is going to be decimated.

      • juris imprudent

        Guess who probably won’t get laid for a week?

        Meh, you said you were married, right?

      • Akira

        The Chinavirus is driving us all nuts. So I said something to the effect that “35,000 die each year in traffic accidents and we don’t shut down the economy.”
        Response: “That’s different; we can’t do anything about that.”

        I remember an op-ed decrying such “whataboutism”.

        Yes, putting things in any kind of perspective is “whataboutism”.

    • Gustave Lytton

      #2 should be for everyone out in public, to prevent spreading to other people. Simple surgical style masks would be completely adequate for this. Doesn’t need to be a N95 respirator.

      And #2A, if you show symptoms, stay home, don’t try to power through it and infect people at worker the store or wherever.

      #2A1 would be a rapid diagnostic testing so if you’re positive, you know you need to stay home. (But really a negative test if exhibiting symptoms be treated as a false negative or the pathogen aren’t high enough yet at the sample site)

      The only problem with these is assuming that it’s completely not a problem for under 60 or without preexisting health conditions. I’d like to see more data from this country. The direct mortality rate has never really been the issue, the large scale hospitalization (which if overloaded, reduces outcomes for all patients) could be.

  23. Rebel Scum

    Something doesn’t smell right at all.

    A mother who was infected with the coronavirus couldn’t smell her baby’s full diaper. Cooks who can usually name every spice in a restaurant dish can’t smell curry or garlic, and food tastes bland. Others say they can’t pick up the sweet scent of shampoo or the foul odor of kitty litter.

    Anosmia, the loss of sense of smell, and ageusia, an accompanying diminished sense of taste, have emerged as peculiar telltale signs of Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and possible markers of infection.

    On Friday, British ear, nose and throat doctors, citing reports from colleagues around the world, called on adults who lose their senses of smell to isolate themselves for seven days, even if they have no other symptoms, to slow the disease’s spread. The published data is limited, but doctors are concerned enough to raise warnings.

    “We really want to raise awareness that this is a sign of infection and that anyone who develops loss of sense of smell should self-isolate,” Prof. Claire Hopkins, president of the British Rhinological Society, wrote in an email. “It could contribute to slowing transmission and save lives.”

    • sloopyinca

      Fake news. everybody already knows the British have no taste.

      • Tonio

        And Sloopy knocks it out of the park.

    • LCDR_Fish

      4 months into this “crisis” and this is only just now showing up as a “symptom”. I has doubts.

    • invisible finger

      I have the same symptom whenever I have sinusitis.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Not that this doesn’t have merit but couldn’t this be related to simply having a stuffy nose? It is primarily a respiratory disease after all.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Have they also noted the correlation between the virus and snaggle teeth?

  24. Rufus the Monocled

    I don’t know if people are rolling over. I think the instinct is to play along for a while so as to try and figure out what’s going on and not look like a ‘bad citizen or subject (in Canada).’

    If the government shuts things down, there’s little we can do.

    BUT.

    The second the economy veers off course in the sense it touches people directly en masse, watch out.

    I find it hard to believe they will remain silent especially once they start to realize the numbers on a percentage basis may not be dire.

    They’re being told it takes eight weeks and they’ll play along. We’re basically two weeks in. I give it to mid-end of April before the restlessness settles and people start to question the cure for the disease more.

    I hope anyway.

    As of now, even in Italy, despite all the sad stories there and here, it remains ridiculously low per one million.

    Granted, I’m just using raw data and percentages here: Italy is basically topped off at .13 (1057 cases per million) and they weren’t prepared. Switzerland is as bad as Italy – same thing. Spain is catching up. Same thing. Just to get to 1% you need 10 000 per million. Ain’t gonna happen there and I find it hard to believe it will here given that we’re basically on heightened alert and preparedness. Canada and USA – despite rising cases – still far, far away from that arbitrary 1% figure.

    So I’m fast getting more of the opinion we’re taking exaggerated measures out of fear. And I worry that we will come to regret it if we do it at the expense of the economy.

    Check this graph out:

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/black-swan-events-short-term-crisis-long-term-opportunity/

    This suggests to me, the powers that be need to be very aware that we’re already at the point where if they push the economy too hard, the Wuhan virus will be the biggest event in stock market history – and it may be entirely unwarranted.

    I invite thoughts. Like it would stop you otherwise.

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/black-swan-events-short-term-crisis-long-term-opportunity/

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Oops. Didn’t mean to post the link twice. Sorry.

      • Festus

        I’ve personally seen no “social distancing” at work and very little in the out and about. Staff that deal with the public are usually wearing gloves and wiping keypads but that’s about it. Someone mentioned pandemic larpers yesterday. Today I finally found one. Drunk/crazy Indian guy at the checkout, full “hazmat” (dust mask, safety glasses and rubber kitchen gloves) yelling at everyone to stay six feet apart. Was annoying.

      • UnCivilServant

        Get up in his personal space and cough.

      • Festus

        Nah. I’d need to don my “Insanity Gloves” and those wore out about 30 years ago, along with my knees.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Congrats, you found the one guy that probably won’t pass it to you.

    • Don Escaped Texas

      en masse

      Short run question will be who gets touched. I can get almost everything from Amazon for now, and I couldn’t care less if I ever drew a paycheck again; even the inflationary measures recently proposed can, at worst, cut my reserves in half; I just need the computers to stay powered up and I’ll be fine.

      But there are a good half million within ten miles of me in no such posture. They have little in hand, little to lose. Transfer payments support much of that: if you can lay around on your mom’s couch for another year, there’s no reason to break into my house tonight. Civil restrictions aren’t serious enough to hurt the flow of drugs and the money that goes with it, so maybe the city won’t boil over.

      The working class might have a problem. I’m sure there are supercomputers running 24/7 to figure out whose credit limits should be cut back about an order of magnitude; the mail will not be good news. When those guys can’t pay their mortgages, that could get ugly and might boil over on my lazy ass. I’m only at DefCon4 here on the island, but I’m watching the causeway out of one eye.

      • Festus

        Don’t jinx the mail, Don. I need it to live.

      • UnCivilServant

        Amazon’s current listed delivery times are over a month out. This is unsustainable!

      • sloopyinca

        It’s showing two days on most prime stuff for me. But some shot ordered Sunday got here yesterday ahead of schedule. Hopefully the stuff I ordered yesterday gets here today.
        Oh yeah, that reminds me: I am looking on Amazon for a really good freestanding punching bag. And I don’t want one where the bag is on a spring and swings all over the place when you hit it. I already have one of those. I need something more “stable”, I guess. Any suggestions from you guys?

      • UnCivilServant

        I suspect the New Jersey fulfillment center is being sorely impacted by the panic, and that’s the one my orders get routed to.

      • Festus

        We used to call that a “dead bag” but it’s been so long that I can’t remember the actual hanging mech.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        That’s why I don’t really have a problem with limited government payouts right now. If the lockdown continues for too long a lot of people are going to get downright desperate and then all bets are off.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        That reminds me. I have an appointment at the courthouse to drop off my CCL application today.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        I’m surprised they’re still processing those wherever you are.

  25. Festus

    Almost zero cops on the highways and byways around here but nobody seems to really be taking advantage of the situation. Most people driving sensibly except for those mother-fucking logging trucks. It’s close to break-up and they need to get the loads off the landings.

    • Drake

      We had people driving like nuts on the highway here last weekend. The cops seem to have no interest in initiating close contact with random people these days.

      • Festus

        It’s still winter. A wreck is still a wreck, pandemic or not. Insurance is clamping down on bad drivers even before this malarkey.

      • Drake

        It’s been Spring for 4 days now.

    • Tonio

      Yeah, the snitches and busybodies are drooling at the opportunities this will present.

    • UnCivilServant

      The only people who should get reported to these places are the elected officials who gave the illegal shutdown orders.

    • Nephilium

      Well, at least some of my local breweries also offer food. So that makes them essential under the order.

    • ChipsnSalsa

      The wife read (aloud) during vacation travel last year the book Winged Watchmen. It is great btw, deals with Nazi occupied Holland and how they make it through those times. In the book the character Leendert is a local turned Nazi with the title of landwatcher, to keep on eye on the locals and report back to the troops if anything is suspicious. He was a nasty ugly person before being made a landwatcher and proceeded to become even more insufferable after.

      This is who I imagine is “saying something” when this stuff comes up.

      Some friends of ours are reading the book currently and it’s creeping them out a bit.

      • Swiss Servator

        My family over in the NL were countryside and small town folk. They has some pretty interesting vengeance on the collaborators (mostly big city folk) after the war. Some canals had more than stolen bikes in them…

    • Rebel Scum

      What to do if you think your employer isn’t complying with state order

      Consider that your employer is your bread and butter.

      • Gender Traitor

        “It’s not safe to go to work! (And I can’t draw unemployment!)”

        Good luck getting on the website to apply. (Aside to Neph: Did the gf ever manage to get through for her application?)

      • Nephilium

        I don’t believe so, nor has my niece (she got officially laid off Sunday, her boyfriend’s job has been deemed essential). The lines have been overwhelmed, and the website has been crushed.

        Go figure.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Am I a bad person for hoping that anyone who snitches is terminated for something when things start back up? And that the HR network makes sure anyone calling to check their references also finds out that these rats snitched?

      • leon

        AFAK in Utah it is illegal for an employer to say anything other than “No, i wouldn’t hire” when someone calls for references.

      • leon

        Or “yes”.

      • Pope Jimbo

        I think in Minnesoda you can’t even do that. When I used to do hiring/firing you could ask previous employers to confirm dates of employment and the last salary that they were paid.

        Maybe you could use LinkedIn to brand them with a Scarlett Letter?

      • Chipwooder

        Not at all!

        When I was a kid, whenever my sister or I would tattle on the other, my mother would punish us both – the one who was doing something they shouldn’t be doing and the other one for being a snitch. She would always tell us “Don’t be a rat – nobody likes a rat”

      • Rhywun

        I remember that Brady Bunch episode.

      • Chipwooder

        They did that on the Brady Bunch? Hah! Maybe that’s where mom got it from then.

      • sloopyinca

        “The tattle-tale”
        Season 2 Episode 10

        Didn’t you take American History? Because I’d have expected them to have taught all the BB episodes if your teacher was worth his/her salt.

      • Chipwooder

        I watched the Brady Bunch in syndication maybe three times when I was a kid. Thought it was lame, never watched it again. I did watch some old shows back then, but mostly Get Smart and Gilligan’s Island.

      • Banjos

        *sigh*

      • Jarflax

        Mornin’ Banjos! I sincerely hope you are designing the homeschooling curriculum, not Sloopy.

      • sloopyinca

        I didn’t see as much a problem with Cindy tattling (in season 2) as I did with Peter running audio surveillance on his siblings (in season 3). He was a lot older than her and should have learned to respect others privacy by that time. At least Cindy had good motives, and sometimes it’s right to “tattle” if someone is in physical danger due to an action. Peter was just a wannabe CIA piece of garbage.

      • Festus

        That’s why he still lives upstairs.

      • JD is Unemployed

        I remember being like a crazed rat in some form of psych experiment because I got all sorts of mixed signals and plain old inconsistency on this matter from my upbringing.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        “Never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut.”
        -Jimmy What’shisface from Goodfellas

        I can only assume he’d say the same thing about relatives and employers too.

      • Pope Jimbo

        My youngest son was an inveterate tattler. He’d come running up to me and report on the latest outrage that his brother or sister had perpetrated upon him. I’d just look at him and say “Yup. That sounds like something that would happen to a tattle tale all right”

        Then he’d run off and find his mother. She was also a youngest child so she was totes OK with tattling (“You have to tattle when you are the smallest, it is your only chance”).

      • Festus

        Bullshit! The youngest needs to be sneaky! I farted in an empty mustard jar and got my brother to sniff the contents while high-tailing down the hill. It’s the little victories!

    • Mason

      Who, not The WHO or The Who, gets to decide what qualifies as essential anyway?

      • Nephilium

        TOP. [WO]MEN.

      • Mason

        “Gatherings of any number” are prohibited outside the home. One is a number, lonely (arguably the loneliest), but still a number.

  26. Q Continuum

    That bat is hung.

    GET IT?!? AHAHAHAHAH!

    • bacon-magic

      You’re bat-shit crazy.

      • AlexinCT

        Is that a link to bad orange man & piss-hookers doing some water sports? Won’t click it while working…

      • Pope Jimbo

        High brow humor. Totes SFW.

  27. Rebel Scum

    It’s like tyrants never let a crisis go to waste.

    This is a time when we need to know our leaders are cautious and prudent when taking measures to limit our freedoms. Most of us are willing to give up some freedoms if it leads to saving lives by slowing the spread of the coronavirus. Taking away the ability to purchase or transport a firearm does nothing, nothing, to stop the spread of the virus. What it does do is shift the power balance decidedly in favor of the criminal as opposed to the law-abiding citizen if things get crazy.

    The market finds a way.

    A New Jersey gun store owner is now offering home delivery of ammunition to legal gun owners in the state, after Gov. Phil Murphy declared that gun stores and ranges must close, ending sales but not demand for firearms and ammunition. Derek Pitera, the owner of SC Arms in Spotswood, New Jersey, said the governor’s order will “put a hurt” on his business, and he was looking for a way to keep some generating some cash while supporting people’s rights to keep and bear arms as well when he stumbled on to the idea.

    Pitera tells Bearing Arms that he was doing some research into the governor’s order, and realized that while “non-essential” brick and mortar stores have been ordered shut, online sales and deliveries are allowed to continue. Pitera says he and his employees can legally deliver ammunition to any resident with an FID card, and can conduct the sales without any person-to-person contact.

    • juris imprudent

      In PA the gun stores were closed and the Peeps factory kept running (because it is “food”). Fuck Wolf with a chainsaw.

    • Festus

      #19

    • AlexinCT

      As I pointed out yesterday: these fucks will claim credit when things go good, then promptly blame someone else (and especially bad orange man) when they fuck it up.

  28. westernsloper

    I never buy bread, and rarely buy noodle type things. I am making an omelette and I really want some toast, and all day yesterday I was craving ramen.

    • AlexinCT

      That may be a symptom of the virus, brah!

      • Swiss Servator

        Report to disintegration chamber 17!

  29. leon

    Folks. I’m trying to keep my misanthropy down. But ‘Panic! at the Cosco’ isn’t helping very much.

    • JD is Unemployed

      Haha, I like that, although I don’t think I could name a single song by that band, I remember hitting on chicks who liked them and tolerating whatever it was they sounded like for some sweet third base action.

      • JD is Unemployed

        Good grief that’s terrible.

      • Rhywun

        I was going to hold my tongue, but… you’re right.

      • Pat

        I love their 2nd album. It’s basically a Beatles pastiche, and was a one-off event in their career. The primary songwriter left after that one and they went back to doing emo pop rock until eventually it became the Brendon Urie solo show. Fun fact: Panic! At The Disco is only the second shittiest band out of Las Vegas to blow up.

      • The Last American Hero

        So basically why guys like Dave Matthews band.

    • Gender Traitor

      ::standing ovation::

      • JD is Unemployed

        Thank you, ma’am. I’m quite pleased with my ad-hoc alliterative admonishment of assholes.

    • bacon-magic

      Huzzah!

    • leon

      The ad was for Niel DeGrasse Tyson talking about Scientific thinking: It starts out with him saying “One of the challenges in the world is knowing enough about a subject to think you’re right…”

      • JD is Unemployed

        At least he’s honest.

    • Tres Cool

      One that’s stuck with me from the (defunct) fuckedcompany.com site (talk about some snarky people)

      “manipulate my massive man-marbles with your muscular mandibles”

  30. leon

    We’re getting lots of new tulpae here, and it’s a hard time knowing who is new, who is lurker, and who is just a rare commenter. I’m issuing an “Avatar in Place” order. All at risk tulpae need to get a damn avatar or risk being quarantined as a tulpa!

    • JD is Unemployed

      Speaking of this I actually thought about changing my avatar the other day but I forget what to now that the notion has passed. Plus, it had occured to me before that perhaps some people don’t recognize the country croon in my avatar and thought perhaps it was a picture of me, which I’m okay with.

      • JD is Unemployed

        *crooner

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        I just assumed you look kind of like Prince Charles.

      • l0b0t

        To be quite honest, for the longest time I thought your avatar was a picture of young Kelly Thomas and I loved that, but it did make me weepy think of that poor kid’s demise.

      • JD is Unemployed

        Fucking rage inducing, that was. Rest in peace, sweet, hirsute prince. Cunt cops.

      • Chipwooder

        I just assumed that you ARE Alan Jackson.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Me too.

        Don’t rock the jukebox, JD.

      • JD is Unemployed

        I wanna hear some Jones!

        *smiling and crying*

    • CPRM

      Perhaps new tulpae should register with an avitar that would help point them out, I don’t know maybe a star, and then we’ll assign them numbers…

      • JD is Unemployed

        OMWC hardest hit

    • PieInTheSky

      I sometimes search comments for a username I never seen because sometimes I find 50 or more comments but the name does not ring a bell.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      this^ Who are all these people, more TOS refugees?

    • ChipsnSalsa

      *eyes link suspiciously*

    • westernsloper

      Someone is never getting laid again.

      • The Last American Hero

        You mean she wasn’t headed to the kitchen?

  31. PieInTheSky

    Question: when you pan sear salmon, do you eat the skin?

    • JD is Unemployed

      I’d say afterwards, rather than during.

    • Don Escaped Texas

      I think it’s good for you

      but I never eat it in any preparation.

      • Rebel Scum

        ^

    • Rhywun

      You can. It doesn’t really appeal to me.

      • PieInTheSky

        Well I know you can, I was asking if people do it 🙂

      • AlexinCT

        I do. My girl hates it so I get to eat hers (I mean in this case the skin of the salmon). Made some nice baked salmon filets yesterday with a pineapple & avocado chutney.

    • CPRM

      If the skin is crispy I’ll eat it.

    • westernsloper

      Only if it gets super crispy otherwise it is pretty slimy.

    • Pat

      I peel it off. It’s gross. So is the salmon, but I smother it in bourbon chili sauce and it’s tolerable.

  32. PieInTheSky

    So Romania is officially in quarantine and the army will be called to help. People over 65 are all but forbidden from exiting their house. Others only to go to work, shop for food or medicine.

    We have 762 official cases out of 14000 tests, 16 serious, 6 critical, 8 dead to date (70+ with preexisting conditions)

  33. Q Continuum

    Some enterprising woodpecker is trying to get laid by pecking on my house’s metal chimney cover. It is loud as hell.

    • JD is Unemployed

      That’s the sort of thing that makes a meme that is entertaining for 2 seconds once it’s been synced up with some music, and then immediately stops being entertaining once hordes of enterprising memeticians jump on the bandwagon with their own interpretations.

      • JD is Unemployed

        I’m a big fan of that.

  34. PieInTheSky

    So how many of you US glibs have a freezer separate from the refrigerator? I have one unit with a smaller bit as freezer and larger bit as refrigerator. I assume all you buy in bulk/hunting/rural glibs would have a separate unit. Also does deep freeze mean the way the food is frozen / prepared, or do you own freezers of a lower temperature than the standard -18 to -20 C?

    • CPRM

      I have a chest freezer as well as the one on the fridge. Until last week the chest freezer was mostly empty, just doing my part to kill the world by wasting electricity.

    • Pat

      I have a side by side refrigerator/freezer and then a (IIRC) 12 cubic foot chest freezer.

    • Mason

      A deep freezer is a chest-style separate unit. Deeper than the typical freezer.

      • PieInTheSky

        wait deep means geometric size or lower temperature?

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        My understanding is that it means geometric size. Mine is set at a standard freezer temperature.

      • banginglc1

        I always though deep freezers were at a lower temp and the best ones DO NOT have auto defrost. But I could be wrong and I don’t plan on looking it up.

      • ChipsnSalsa

        both

    • AlexinCT

      I have a large freezer full of dead animal parts in my garage in addition to a side by side in the kitchen. And I have guns. Lot’s of guns. That is in case some enterprising person things they can raid my fridge…

      • Tejicano

        If I were you and knew there was really a chance that some fool would try to raid my garage freezer I would get a mannequin head with a wig (as realistic as possible), wrap it in saran wrap and keep it in the freezer. I can imagine the reaction that would get from some burglar in the dead of night.

      • Ozymandias

        When I get a freezer, I am totally doing this.
        Thanks, Tejicano!

      • AlexinCT

        Me two…

        And I will put up a poster of Damher and Hannibal Lechter, and get me some stuff to hang up with Quotes like “I once had census worker test me, and I ate his liver with some Fava beans and a fine Chianti:…

        Wonder if burglars would freak out from that or just go cool, this guy might have some lungs or ass meat in that cooler…

    • Nephilium

      I’ve got two chest freezers in the basement, one converted to support tap lines coming out to go through the wall to the taps. Then I’ve got the standard freezer on top/fridge on bottom model in the kitchen.

    • Chipwooder

      I have a chest freezer out in the shed. Generally, I use it to store whole turkeys that I buy when they go on sale for 29 cents a pound after Thanksgiving, and for venison. Right now, I have a bunch of chicken breasts and thighs as well as a brisket in there, too.

    • Don Escaped Texas

      standard -18 to -20 C

      Why so cold?!? That’s extra money for nothing so far as I know. Once you freeze the water, you freeze the germs and stop the enzymes. Colder than that would only help freeze unfrozen materials more quickly, a marginal and dubious utility. Maybe if you have unreliable electricity, some depth would give you time to coast until the power was back on?

      • A Leap at the Wheel

        Colder temps means faster freeze. Faster freeze means smaller ice crystals. Smaller ice crystals means less cellular disruption. less cellular disruption means longer storage life. On a big industrial scale, its worth having a blast freezer at -40F or so for initial freeze then a move to a regular freezer. For the home use, the electricity usage of a well insulated, fully stocked deep freezer is pretty small at -20 vs -2.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        Great answer: an extra 25% on $30 is nothing.

      • Not Adahn

        Also, biological action still happens sub-freezing. When I worked at the Office of the Texas State Chemist we had several -95C freezers and a -125 C one for the riboflavin bugs.

      • Nephilium

        It’s helpful for making applejack or other freeze concentrated beverages.

    • sloopyinca

      We have a pair of full sized refrigerators (one in the kitchen and one in the garage. And we also have a 17 cf (.5 cubic meters for those using non-freedom units) freezer in the garage.

    • pistoffnick

      French door fridge with a freezer drawer on the bottom in the kitchen.
      Long term frozen storage is a single door upright freezer in the basement. I’m told that chest freezers are better in that they let out less cold air when you open the door, but a chest freezer wouldn’t work in our basement.

      Growing up we had a huge chest freezer (3 feet x 6 feet x 3 feet deep). When we had money, we’d buy a half a cow and half a pig. When we didn’t have money we froze squash, corn, and green beans from the garden.

    • Gustave Lytton

      7cf chest freezer in addition to standard combo fridge. We’d started last fall planning to get one when I finished the garage. This current situation accelerated the plans out of concern for being cut off for an extended period.

    • Toxteth O’Grady

      So many freezer owners! Am a city dweller but love my wee freezer. A++, would buy again.

  35. Certified Public Asshat

    Lol, we have a park across the street from our house which is now forbidden. This morning they put yellow tape around the playground and the swingset.

    • Pope Jimbo

      We haven’t closed them yet, but we are getting stern warnings from our betters about staying at least 6ft away from each other.

      Seriously, how deranged do you have to be to be scared of catching a virus while walking around a park? I can see that kids are little germ machines who slather playground equipment with cooties, but just walking around?

      • AlexinCT

        Did you not read “The Stand”, brah? Randell Flagg is coming to get you!

        I think i ran into the Trashcan man yesterday walking around lake Nokomis…

      • Pope Jimbo

        Nokomis? Well, lah-di-dah! Look at Mr. Fancy Pants Urban Hipster!!!

      • AlexinCT

        Not me, man. She lives out this way so I am stuck out here. I just go around shaking my head at the metrosexuals living out this way that get angry when their ladies check me out.

      • pistoffnick

        “lake Nokomis”

        I kind of miss that place. Our first house as a married couple was about 3 blocks from Lake Nokomis.

        My standard evening ritual was to walk the dogs around the lake.

      • AlexinCT

        I am used to hiking 6-10 miles a day, and do 30-40 miles each weekend, and I have been going bananas not being able to do lots of hiking since I got out here. And yes, that’s usually what we are doing to: walking her dogs.

      • pistoffnick

        The 5-8 club (https://www.5-8club.com/) is not far from the south end of the lake. They are famous for their Juicy Lucy, but I remember everything there being tasty.

      • AlexinCT

        Been there, and done that. In fact, I took her out there for her birthday dinner (she didn’t want to go anywhere far and fancier because of the whole virus scare) the day before your governor shut down the restaurants in this state.

      • pistoffnick

        There is a place further west called Chicago Taste Authority (https://chicagostasteauthority.com/)*

        Get the Cheesy Beef. You’ll thank me later.

        *it’s a cop favorite, so best behavior

      • pistoffnick

        Yes my life does pretty much revolve around where and what is my next meal!

      • AlexinCT

        Heh, not gonna give ya crap, since as an eye-talian, food is what I live for too. Just gonna need to wait till things open back up (some places are doing takeout or deliver from what I have seen, but I am a pretty good cook and my girl has preferred I cook over getting food anywhere) to try it if I am not departed back to The People’s Republic of Connecticut by then. And I guess a place with the word “Authority” in the name would attract LEOs, I guess….

        Thanks.

      • Fourscore

        Swimming in Lake Nokomis in the late summer one could count on seeing floating turds (on the east side beach, where the low enders swam). That was 70 years ago, maybe dogs/kids/adults are better behaved and/or trained these days.

      • AlexinCT

        I don’t really swim in lakes. I am an ocean guy, and in particular tropical ones. Swimming in lakes is like swimming in a toilet bowl. at least in the ocean there is more water to dilute the pooh….

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        ?

    • Chipwooder

      If my kid tore that shit down, I’d give him ice cream for dinner.

  36. RAHeinlein

    Jim Kramer is interviewing Pelosi – she is claiming (in her addled way) that Republicans keep adding things to the bill that aren’t specific to the virus, and “they want trickle down, and we want bubble-up”

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      This whole exercise is a Rorschach test.

      • Q Continuum

        If this keeps them from passing anything, I’d call it a victory.

    • leon

      Direct Cash payments is a well known trickle down strat.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      She can spin it all she wants but this looks fucking terrible for them.

      • AlexinCT

        They are hoping their usual allies can do enough damage control that it will only impact orange man negatively…

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        If that’s the case (and it is, let’s face it) she’s made an enormous miscalculation. People are willing to buy into BS spin when it doesn’t really effect them personally but I’d imagine even most of those who are normally inclined to agree with her will see right through this.

      • AlexinCT

        I am sure they will, but it is hard to give up tribal hatred towards orange man for these people, so I suspect way too many imbeciles would prefer to get personally brutally ass raped to stick it to him, than to stand up to this cunte.

    • Chipwooder

      The GOP bill was 580 pages, her bill was over 1400 pages, larded up with shit about the post office, corporate board diversity, minority banks, ballot harvesting, etc etc. Who kept adding things that aren’t specific to the virus, you desiccated krone?

  37. Rebel Scum

    Calmly and deliberately pokes leftists in the eyes.

    “We are using it now. The fact that I signed it it’s in effect. But you know, we’re a country not based on nationalizing our businesses. Call a person over in Venezuela and ask how did nationalization of their businesses work out – not too well. The concept of nationalizing our businesses is not a good concept.”

    “Here’s the beauty of it. If we go out and we say we want masks, we don’t know who to call on masks. Hanes – that makes things of cotton, various elements, lots of things, great company – called us and said we’re going to make millions of masks. We got a call today from 3-M … they’re going to make tremendous products; they’re more or less in that business and if they’re not – for instance General Motors spoke to us, Ford spoke to us about doing ventilators. The beauty is they’re calling us. If you go the nationalization route, we’re going to tell a company to make a ventilator. They don’t even know what a ventilator is. In the case of one company, they used to make them years ago and they know how to make them. It’s a very complex piece of equipment…”

  38. PieInTheSky

    Situations as the CCP virus, whatever you think of it, did nothink but reinforce the concept that people are beyond understanding each other.

    Leftist see this as a failure of libertarianism (???? the one in their head i suppose) individualism (the one in their head) and the need of big government. I see a total faliure of experts. THe WHO and every single European government in January was screaming that nothing to worry, it will not come to Europe and worrying about it is racist. All the so called experts who are supposed to wisely rule the world failed miserably. And yet the left does nothing but double down on there crap. I don’t get it and I never will.

    • leon

      Q. I think that is one of those “Monkey’s Paw” kinds of wishes.

      • ChipsnSalsa

        The people who walk around topless are not the people you want walking around topless.

    • Swiss Servator

      Did drugs fall out of his blessed imam ass?

    • Swiss Servator

      Greater love hath no man…

    • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

      Oh, man.
      RIP, Padre.

  39. Pope Jimbo

    Yesterday a coworker and I were talking about this nonsense and we came up with a million dollar idea. Who wants in?

    It started with my coworker saying that one of his daughters (19-ish) wants to have people over for a small party. Mom is totally against it. Lots of arguing and talk of how you need to keep at least six feet of separation.

    So what we came up with was an idea where we attach suspenders to a hula hoop. Everyone would have to wear one and that should keep everyone about six feet away from each other. I’m sure if we dressed it up with fancy medical terms, we could sell millions to the government. Maybe a civilian model to sell to concerned suburban moms.

    • Q Continuum

      “Maybe a civilian model to sell to concerned suburban moms.”

      A semi-auto version?

      • Pope Jimbo

        I’m not sure – as a father of teen age girls – he’d be all that enthused about them wearing that dress. And it would look downright silly on boys.

    • CPRM

      Just go full on Bubble Boy

    • Festus

      Dude! Even Warty’s dick ain’t that long…

    • PieInTheSky

      you should not profit off the misery of your fellow man ya sociopath

    • Pope Jimbo

      This is another topic of conversation that makes me realize what a bunch of weirdos you fuckers are.

      When this comes up with non-Glib friends, I’m amazed how none of them see that price gouging is a good thing. Gets scarce goods to people who really need it. And makes sure that new goods are rushed to the area.

      Instead they all spit on the ground and swear about how evil it is and how we need more laws.

      • leon

        I made the same mistake when talking with my Father in Law. I forget that Gauging is one of those things that everyone knows is bad and only immoral degenerates like us libertarians think that it is not only not-bad, but good.

      • invisible finger

        I think we err by calling it good. We should call it “important”. It’s a price signal that resources are not allocated to the demand at the moment – without that signal it would be harder to gauge how much of a supply shortage needs to be addressed. The typical person says “Everyone can see the shelves are empty” but the retort is that they people who manage their supply chains know if the supply is stressed for hours, days, weeks, or months. But the price signal gives everyone that same insight – take that away and you actually are asking for LESS information.

      • leon

        Maybe good is too strong a word, but then i think about the the good that it does to keep people from unnecessarily grabbing up resources they don’t need. Think of the parent who desperately needs medicine for their child, but can’t because every Sally Come Lately to Prepping bought up 10 bottles of medicine because the store refused to gauge their customers.

      • Jarflax

        Why do you people want stores measuring their customers’ diameter? What good does that do?

      • leon

        Uh oh… Did my anti-fat ideology slip out?

      • Jarflax

        If you use a round enough rasp, what you gouge will have a gauge.

      • Naptown Bill

        Yeah, the wife gave me the business over this yesterday. All I said was, “I don’t think ‘price gouging’ is a very useful term, since it mostly just means ‘charging a higher price than what someone else wants to pay'”. That got me, “Well, what do *you* think price gouging means?” And I said, “Well, honestly, I don’t think it’s really a thing you can define well, but probably something like hoarding stuff and charging a price specifically to prevent people from buying. Because otherwise you’re just looking at what naturally happens to prices when scarcity comes into play. Right now toilet paper is scarce, so people are charging $100 a roll. It seems expensive because when it wasn’t scarce it was cheap.” Went over about like you’d expect, but then she rented Contagion and we had a good laugh.

      • Festus

        Nice denouement!

      • westernsloper

        I had that conversation with my Dad yesterday who said he was glad they were stopping gougers. I ended the conversation with, “well maybe if they initially raised the price on tp when the madness started there might be some left for people who aren’t hoarding panic buying idiots.”

      • The Hyperbole

        Who exactly are the idiots, the panic buyer with TP or the guy shitting in his shower?

      • Festus

        Why not both?

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Definitely the guy shitting in his shower, that’s for washing off the shit after you go in the toilet. Still a good point though.

      • AlexinCT

        Wait, we are not supposed to shit in our showers?

      • westernsloper

        If you are referring to me as a shower shitter you are mistaken. I have TP. But ya, I think emptying a store in a few hours is idiotic behavior.

      • The Hyperbole

        Not you, the royal shower shitter the editorial shower shitter. Why would anticipating a shortage and acting on it be idiotic? In business this would be applauded foresightedness.

      • westernsloper

        Businesses that foresee a shortage due to some supply interruption or other indicators and stock up is foresightedness and good for the business. I live in a small’ish community and the town was emptied of a plentiful commodity in about a day with supplies returning who knows when because we are back burner as far as markets go. I didn’t even know we were supposed to be hoarding tp until a day after it was all gone. I don’t listen to the news that tells people we are now supposed to hoard. Apparently a good chunk of the county does though. I will say ya, I guess I am an idiot for not thinking a good chunk of my community are panicky idiots.I really should have known better than that.

      • Not Adahn

        the royal shower shitter

        Liz is running out of things to spend money on. I can understand the royal corgi walker, but what is even the purpose of that job?

      • R C Dean

        Who exactly are the idiots, the panic buyer with TP or the guy shitting in his shower?

        The panic buyer is an idiot.

        Anyone who isn’t reacting to the idiot panic buyers by grabbing what they can when they can is also an idiot.

        Proof that idiots drag everyone down to their level.

      • Jarflax

        But, other than the first, or at least the first few panic buyers, aren’t the panic buyers the people who are reacting to the panic buyers by grabbing what they can? So haven’t you just taken a long way around to say everyone is an idiot?

      • The Hyperbole

        It’s a catch-22*, if there’s no shortage then panic buying is idiotic, but won’t effect the non-panic buyer. But once panic buyng causes a shortage then panic buying isn’t idiotic or even actually what I would call ‘panic buying’.

        *maybe closer to a self-fulfilling prophesy, I don’t know.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Price gouging is a litmus test for me.

        I got accused of gouging while selling generators at list price plus a fee for servicing it out during a hurricane. People think you should just give the stuff to them because they need it.

        It doesn’t help that I sell a higher quality product than what people can get at the big box stores, so it naturally costs more anyway.

      • Festus

        People are selfish assholes but you already know this, otherwise you wouldn’t be a member of this august community.

      • AlexinCT

        Anytime you don’t lose on a financial transaction with them, you are price gauging according to the profit hating marxist. When they are getting paid however, that’s different, and they making a profit or decent money is totes cool, because…

      • Jarflax

        Jezebel journalists demanding a living wage is price gouging.

      • AlexinCT

        It is hilarious to me that the very people that supported that stupid make gig workers full time employees. That a ton of them ended up without a job was just rewards. And man did they squeal once they got it in the ass. Sometimes there is justice in an unjust universe.

      • robc

        The weird thing is virtually every economist, regardless of their school of though, agrees with us.

      • Gustave Lytton

        The outcome of anti-price gouging laws is bare shelves.

    • leon

      The EBAY “we’ll just not sell anything!” method is much better.

    • CPRM

      It’s bad to hoard money, good to hoard goods.

  40. The Late P Brooks

    genius of animation Joseph Barbera

    Whoa, whoa, whoa.

    • sloopyinca

      You got a problem with that?

      • Festus

        Yeah, their cartoons were pretty sub-par. I’m a Warner Bros. man.

      • sloopyinca

        Tom and Jerry is subpar? What are you, on aquarium cleaner this morning?

      • Festus

        Talking about their later output. That stuff is pretty bad.

      • Jarflax

        Harvey > Hanna Barbera

  41. The Late P Brooks

    Responding to market demand by increasing prices?

    The Ministry of Love will decide who is most deserving.

    • PieInTheSky

      If everyone was an angel we could all be commies but why would we need to?

  42. The Late P Brooks

    what we came up with was an idea where we attach suspenders to a hula hoop.

    Sumo suits

    • Pope Jimbo

      I’d worry about being party to fraud. With my hoops, you could see the actual goods.

      Think of the trouble you’d be in when some kid peels off what he thinks is a sumo suit and discovers it is just a latex cat suit (SortaNSFW). Sure the rare John would be delighted.

      • Q Continuum

        Too bad John left, that’s some great spank material for him.

      • leon

        Left… Banned… something or other.

      • AlexinCT

        Banned for spanking it?

        We have become prudes?

      • Jarflax

        We have a founder whose running schtick is molesting pre adolescent girls, one with an obsession with eating ass, one with an unusual affinity for cat’s bottoms, a dominatrix, a guy who keeps a sex dungeon, a room full of rapey cryptids, and a long suffering wielder of a rusty can lid. Puritan to the core.

      • Gender Traitor

        Certified Family Friendly!!!

      • Swiss Servator

        Specifically warned not to do something – did it, banhammer. The End.

      • AlexinCT

        Well, you had to pimp slap your bitch back into submission, and that’s how it works. Pimpn’ ain’t easy Swiss, but it is necessary…

      • westernsloper

        How many cats does she have in that suit?

      • Jarflax

        roll her in flour and count?

  43. The Late P Brooks

    The Green New Deal will cure Kung Flu! Don’t you people SCIENCE?!

    • Festus

      Fuuuuck. I already lived through 1984 once. Again? It wasn’t great with a recession raging and all but AIDS was something we didn’t worry much about. At least everyone in our cohort was sorta broke. Sort of a London Blitz attitude…

      • Festus

        No alcohol on Sunday unless you went to a restaurant or out to the radar base. Most times the short-hairs would gladly sign you in but it was a fifteen mile drive.

      • Festus

        Most of the grunts out there had a desperately Evil Dead “Joooiinnn Uuusss” vibe. That’s before there were many girls entering the military and those guys must have been bored to shit. Went out there and played softball tourneys a few years later and the they seemed to be getting along quite nicely with the co-ed situation.

  44. banginglc1

    Since we don’t have sports, how about a “This day in sports” feature. Just find a front page of a sports section from 20, 30, 40 . . .etc years ago and talk about what happened. Might be fun. I don’t know. I just like enacting others labor.

    • Don Escaped Texas

      I’m watching old games on MLB network. They don’t go before Watergate, though. As always, I’m hand-scoring these and adding roster notes to my spreadsheets.

      What I love is some of the old crank commentary that often boils down to, correctly, a good half season doesn’t prove anything. One side is playing up some flash in the pan while the old guy is saying I don’t see what the hubbub’s about.

    • Chipwooder

      Not much happened on this day in sports history. It was the date of some NCAA finals games – Louisville over UCLA in 1980, NCSU over Marquette in 1974. In 1936, a Stanley Cup final game when to six overtimes.

      • juris imprudent

        NCSU beat Marquette for a title? I only remember the game against U of H (Phi Slamma Jamma).

      • Chipwooder

        Yep. The Houston-NC State title game was 1983.

    • Chipwooder

      Interesting date in the NHL in 2000, though – only six games but two of them featured a team scoring 8 goals.

    • sloopyinca

      I might start that in April. I don’t want to accidentally come across that Christian Laettner shit by accident in the next week.

  45. The Late P Brooks

    Think of the trouble you’d be in when some kid peels off what he thinks is a sumo suit and discovers it is just a latex cat suit

    I just threw up a little in the back of my throat. Damn you.

    Damn you to Hell.

  46. The Late P Brooks

    you should not profit off the misery of your fellow man ya sociopath

    “You gotta fuck your friends. Your enemies don’t come around.”

    • Naptown Bill

      The most harmful impact of a crisis seems to be the idiotic reaction of the human as a herd animal.

  47. B.P.

    Here’s a fun story: Prompted by the fact that the parks were all packed last weekend, yesterday the mayor of my city announced one of those shelter-in-place (or house arrest or whatever) thingies, saying that all nonessential businesses, including liquor stores and pot shops, would be shut down at 5 pm today. Oh, and don’t panic buy. Predictably, every liquor store and pot shop in town instantly had lines down the street, thus packing everyone together.

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/liquore-store-lines-surge-after-denver-announces-stay-at-home-order-brewery-dispensary-closures/73-63c26b49-8826-4e54-9a8a-18eb4ae49495

    Now the liquor stores and pot shops have been exempted. And what hasn’t been subject to the stay-at-home order all along? Going to the park.

  48. The Late P Brooks

    What a surprise- NYT headline:

    The Coronavirus Bill Stalled. And It’s Mitch McConnell’s Fault.

    I never saw that one coming.

    “He won’t give up the cookie jar! Not FAIR!!!11!”

  49. leon

    Time to be open.

    Does anyone else confuse Leap and Don? Or am i the only one?

      • leon

        I wasn’t trying to insult you leap.

        Oh wait…

        Damnit.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        did some research: I see it. Data-centered, technically competent.

        But MN, right? I’m guilty of praising fried walleye, but I’ve never done more than two weeks at a shot above the Ohio River.

      • robc

        No one needs to spend more than 2 weeks north of the river. And I spent 2 winters in Madison to prove it.

      • robc

        Charleston, SC now. Most of my life in KY.

      • Jarflax

        During my years living in Lexington I learned that Louisville (and Covington/Newport) aren’t really Kentucky

      • Don Escaped Texas

        I was a seventh-floor client at the Mill House for years

      • Not Adahn

        seventh-floor client at the Mill House

        I don’t know if that’s code for brothel or opium den.

      • BakedPenguin

        Not Adahn – maybe both!

        Damn, I have to start saving…

      • Nephilium

        We don’t need to… we just like it better up here.

        In our lockdown…

        /fuck

  50. juris imprudent

    So this site has been interesting to me. Contrast various countries (Switz and Italy – similar disease incidence, wildly different results), and Israel is really doing it right – one death with a higher incidence than here in the U.S.

    • juris imprudent

      And speaking of Israel.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Naftali Bennet: Most Important Thing To Stop Coronavirus Is Separate Young People From Old People

        Uffda. We’ve been trying. Like with a crowbar, but so far OMWC has persisted.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      You can just throw that top line out as it is meaningless and distorts the results.

      • LJW

        Racist!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        If the actual Chinese numbers were to ever get out, I expect the ChiComs would be looking for somewhere to hide.

      • AlexinCT

        There is a reason that the doctor (along with a lot of other people both in the medical profession and otherwise) that leaked the info and exposed the nefarious work of the CCP has, erm, succumbed to the virus and died from it. according to the CCP propaganda agents, that is.

      • Tejicano

        Wadda ya think is happening to Chinese who show up at their version of a health care facility who say they have the Wuhan flu? If they’re lucky they get told to go home and get better. Otherwise I expect they get a cell with a toilet, a case of bottled water and some rations – and get told to get better.

        Now that the CCP has declared there are no more new cases of Pooh flu there will be no more new cases of Pooh flu.

      • UnCivilServant

        Which will end up killing even more people. I’m sick of these evil shitstains.

      • AlexinCT

        We have this global pandemic shitshow going on because the CCP leaders, and many others around the globe, were more interested in keeping their own image clean, and when it started coming out despite all those efforts to hide it, in looking PC, because we all know what really kills is being non-PC.

      • R C Dean

        “Well, crap. This doctor who we just put two in the back of his head is now some kind of social media star now.”

        “No prob. We’ll just say he is a Hero of the People who died fighting the Trump Virus. Say, when is the organ harvesting crew going to show? Its nearly my lunch hour.”

    • Chipwooder

      “Find my friend a nice Jewish doctor!”

    • PieInTheSky

      one death with a higher incidence than here in the U.S. – what does higher incidence mean in this context?

      • PieInTheSky

        I mean yes the deaths per million are lower than US but the total number of deaths is not the relevant number given the huge population difference.

      • juris imprudent

        Confirmed cases per 1M population.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        We can’t compare per capita rates because large areas are built from many small areas with discrete rates: you don’t take a batch sample until all ingredients are added and the agitator has been running a good while. Virus-wise, there is no such place as “China,” or at least probably not yet.

        Useful trends will come from saturated areas after a while: Italy and NYC. How good those exponents and coefficients are, I leave to others.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Deaths generally have been lagging infections. Similar numbers of infections doesn’t mean they were acquired at the same time.

      • juris imprudent

        You can also see the number of cases that are serious/critical. At least, reported as such.

  51. Festus

    Oh yeah, failed to mention that both Wifey and mine’s Unions are using this panic to up-sell for their pet insurance companies. Her’s was saying that the rep had to come to our home. Door machete, sharp as can be…

    • R C Dean

      Door machete

      *makes note to put machete-hanging hook next to front door*

    • Rhywun

      Road trip, to… somewhere!

    • Nephilium

      I saw $1.29/gallon on Saturday.

      • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

        That’s pretty amazing. Lowest price for regular gasoline here in Edmonchukskianovich is 59.9¢/litre. After doing the conversions etc., that works out to $1.57USD/US gallon. I don’t remember seeing a price that low for gasoline in Alberta at anytime during the 21st Century.

  52. The Late P Brooks

    The GOP bill was 580 pages, her bill was over 1400 pages, larded up with shit about the post office, corporate board diversity, minority banks, ballot harvesting, etc etc. Who kept adding things that aren’t specific to the virus, you desiccated krone?

    Oh, sweet. Did they try to slide their pet “Post Office Banking” idea into the bottomless barrel of pork? That will totally eradicate something. Just like forcing worker union representatives and teh WOCs and gender confused them’unses onto corporate boards.

    • juris imprudent

      580 pages was an obvious enough atrocity. Piling on another 800+?

  53. Sean

    Got my wheel fixed today. Fuck the lock down.

    Wolf can go stick his dick in a electrical outlet.

  54. PieInTheSky

    In Peru, the population is overwhelmingly supporting incredibly tough martial law to weather the coronavirus crisis. President Martin Vizcarra just jumped from 52% to 87% approval in one week.

    There, you can’t go for a walk, or get in your car

    https://twitter.com/mrochabrun/status/1241736963125841922

  55. Charles Easterly

    Hello Sloop and everyone else.

    Here is a link to a song that may boost your spirits.

    ‘Tis a song from the early 1970’s that was (re)introduced to audiences by a movie named Guardians of the Galaxy ( here is a link to the latter (this link is towards the end of the movie and I recommend that you not watch it if you want to be surprised by the movie’s ending).

    • juris imprudent

      Anyone who hasn’t seen GotG by now, should probably turn in their Glibs card.

      • Jarflax

        We have papers? Damned Statists!

      • robc

        Just got Disney+,will watch it soon.

        I basically havent seen any of the recent (last decade?) Marvel movies.

      • kinnath

        GotG is a special movie.

      • Festus

        I didn’t like that movie.

      • leon

        Huh. I’d say Iron Man and GotG are the only two Marvel movies that are worth seeing. The other ones can be entertaining but not really a “Must” IMO.

      • The Hyperbole

        Black Panther is a masterpiece of cinema.

      • Jarflax

        Captain Marvel! Fight me.

      • leon

        It came out once i had already tired of watching marvel, so i’ve never seen it. I’ll have to take your word for it.

      • The Hyperbole

        Actually it was just all right, I was trying to stir up the ‘go woke go broke’ backlash thing.

      • Not Adahn

        Deadpool.

        WTF is wrong with you?

      • Gender Traitor

        Hadn’t been into superhero films before, but thoroughly enjoyed both Deadpool and GotG. They have a good bad attitude. (With Kingsman – lent to me by my boss – not far behind.)

        And GotG did indeed have an awesome soundtrack.

      • Nephilium

        Not a Marvel film. That’s Fox (which is now owned by Disney).

      • Nephilium

        I really enjoy the Captain America films.

        But I’m also a big geek.

      • Agent Cooper

        YES! Those are my 2 favorites.

      • Chipwooder

        I don’t watch comic book movies. Fuck that shit.

      • Rhywun

        #meneither

      • Tulip

        Here you go. Not my thing.

    • leon

      Antifa was wearing masks before it was cool….

    • Urthona

      I really don’t get the whole “Japan already licked this” argument.

      Their death rate is 3.6% right now. 3 times higher than hours, which is obviously measured way high. Clearly, they just elected not to test many people.

  56. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of inconvenient truth

    As small businesses lay off workers, Democrats held up a federal loan program so they can pass more wind and solar tax credits, fund NASA’s environmental restoration group and study climate mitigation efforts. How is any of that going to save jobs? What does this have to do with coronavirus shutdowns?

    As millions of Americans are filing for unemployment benefits, crushing state government budgets, Democrats held up a rescue bill so that they can give government employee unions extraordinary collective bargaining power.

    As millions of Americans wonder how they’re going to make their next mortgage payments, Pelosi demands that the Senate offer free internet, fund community newspapers and set up minority-run banks.

    As hospitals wait for funding, Pelosi is worried about national minority and gender pay equity — an age-old liberal hobbyhorse. By prioritizing affirmative action over rescue funds, she is ensuring that more Americans of all races, genders and creeds will be unemployed.

    W C Fields said, “Never hit a man when he’s down. Kick him.”

    Same goes for economies.

    • B.P.

      Go ahead and stack the pay equity legislation over there with the dozens of other pay equity bills that have already been enacted.

  57. The Late P Brooks

    We have papers? Damned Statists!

    Mine are forged.

    • Festus

      In Fire! Thees paper weel keel!

  58. zwak

    I don’t comment here enough, but I just wanted to say that even with the sad, sorry state of our news right now (fuck this shelter in place BS) your lincs are one of the great things.

    Monumental. Yuge, even.

    • Don Escaped Texas

      bumps Yusef off bottom of spreadsheet

    • Don Escaped Texas

      Also, are TPTB updating the application form to take a suitable census? It would be wrong for our pineapple deep-dish fetish ratios to fall too far below the national average.

      • Jarflax

        We’ve moved on to the cream in carbonara wars.

      • UnCivilServant

        No, no one cares about that.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        I might be running Lotus, but I’ve still got 256 columns.

      • PieInTheSky

        There is no cream in carbonara,.

      • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

        That is the correct answer, sir.

    • Tejicano

      Yeah, lucky for me I already got the refrigerator replaced. And I also live just across the river (maybe a 10 minute walk) from Tokyo proper so a Tokyo lockdown wouldn’t matter unless my city government decided to show solidarity or whatever.

      It would suck because the gym I use is in Tokyo – but I’m not sure how this would be enforced.

    • Sensei

      It gives Yuriko Koike something to do as her dream of a smoke free Olympics will likely get pushed out one year.

  59. KSuellington

    We need to make China pay for this. I want my reparations and a formal apology from Xi.

    • leon

      That would be easy to do. Just Repudiate our debt with China.

      • UnCivilServant

        I didn’t borrow that money. Giving someone else debt forgiveness is not giving me reparations.

      • leon

        Government is the debt we owe together.

      • UnCivilServant

        Any government expenditures should be put to referendum, with only those voting “yes” having to pay for it.

      • leon

        But then nothing would ever pass!

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m not seeing a downside here.

      • KSuellington

        The CCP needs a spanking. I don’t know exactly the best way to do so, but it needs to be done. They actively covered this up for a month that made all the difference. They have international agreements to not do such a thing and they reneged hard on those legal obligations.

      • The Other Kevin

        I think they’re going to pay for it in manufacturing jobs. They now have a reputation for being completely unreliable in a crisis.

      • juris imprudent

        Siren song of “one billion untapped consumers” to every American businessman.

      • UnCivilServant

        “Siren song” is apt, there ar eno customers for American businesses there. Making the fool attempt to break into that market just means you end up signing away your IP and help det up the compeditor that undercuts you because they didn’t have any product development costs, and they use your factories to make the prouct they sell both in China and America.

        It’s a fool’s game trying to sell to the chinese.

      • creech

        Covered it up so well that our vaunted CIA didn’t notice anything? If this kind of contagion is raging in a major city of one of our principal adversaries, and the CIA doesn’t notice it, then what the fuck good are they?

      • leon

        To be fair it was the middle of the impeachment stuff, and the CIA had to keep Eric Ciamarella safe from all the hateful goons out to get him.

      • grrizzly

        Framing US politicians they don’t like? And even that wasn’t a complete success.

      • Shirley Knott

        Hey they messed up with the Shah. The real question is what have they ever gotten right that wasn’t obvious to anyone with a room temperature or greater IQ?

      • R C Dean

        Just Repudiate our debt with China.

        Why fuck around? Just collapse the global economy already.

    • Chipwooder

      I want two eggrolls and a bowl of hot and sour soup free every day for the rest of my life.

      • KSuellington

        That seems very reasonable CW. Hold the bat on the soup and now we are talking. I think we should start high on the negotiations though.

      • KSuellington

        It’s not going to happen but I’d like to see him get the Ghaddafi treatment.

      • Tejicano

        Well, there is some probability that the CCP could fall off the back of the tiger they have been riding and quickly find themselves on the lunch menu. There is a reason for their ruthlessness.

  60. Enough About Palin

    Minnesota Governor Walz says that 40-80% of Minnesotans will contract the virus. If up to 80% of us are going to get it, why do we have to stay home?

    • Jarflax

      Cue FTC explanation and no I do not mean the trade commission.

      • leon

        Fatten the Children?

      • Festus

        Even moreso? Good Heavens, Man!

      • leon

        You’ll thank me once those food stores run out.

      • Enough About Palin

        Well what do you mean?

      • Rhywun

        So the hospitals don’t get overwhelmed by patients.

      • Urthona

        The argument if the hospitals get overwhelmed by too many cases at once the death rate becomes 5% (the number needing intensive care) and like a million extra people will die.

    • Festus

      Power-boners. It’s always about the power-boners.

    • KSuellington

      I essentially live in a Chinese province called San Francisco. If the Wuhan virus started appearing in a wet market around the end of November then there were cases here within a couple weeks. I don’t see how tens of thousands or many more were exposed to this thing months ago here.

      • Agent Cooper

        Exactly. We are on another part of the “curve” entirely. How many Dec/Jan deaths were Covid-19 deaths and not regular flu deaths?

      • R C Dean

        Nobody knows.

        The real question should be “what is the rate of excess deaths from the CCP Virus”. Some percentage who died from it would have died anyway. The second death in Tucson was a woman who had Stage IV cancer and likely should have been on hospice. I don’t think she should count as a CCP Virus death. Pretty much like saying someone who was smoking when he got t-boned in an intersection was a smoking-related death.

      • Jarflax

        If he had a CCW you can count him as a car death, smoke death and gun death all at once!

    • Urthona

      FLATTEN THE CURVE, BRO. DO YOU NOT GET SOCIAL MEDIA?

      • UnCivilServant

        Social Media makes no sense, so I ignore it.

      • Urthona

        It’s the current trending “common good” argument that the world must accept so we can have martial law.

      • juris imprudent

        That line about fascism with a smiley face, or something.

    • R C Dean

      So your governor is an epidemiologist/ board certified infectious disease physician? Lucky coincidence for you; probably had no idea you would need one when he was elected.

  61. robc

    Since the census is based on where people are living on April 1, 2020, this census is going to kill the numbers of college towns.

    • robc

      Suck it Athens (pick one).

    • UnCivilServant

      The colleges already did that.

    • Festus

      I dig your self-portrait, robc.

      • robc

        Co-worker did it. We got new travelling white boards on our floor, finally, so she drew a quick sketch of everyone on our floor.

        I thought it was good enough to use.

  62. The Late P Brooks

    Minnesota Governor Walz says that 40-80% of Minnesotans will contract the virus. If up to 80% of us are going to get it, why do we have to stay home?

    I thought Cuomo said that. It must be the new talking point.

    “You’re all gonna die if you don’t do exactly as we tell you. You’ll probably die anyway, but OBEY in the meantime.”

    • Festus

      The best part is the printing of the money, gives us something to wipe our asses with in the meantime.

    • leon

      When are we going to arrest all these Politicians and Police Officers who are not obeying the “Stay at home” order? They are literally putting everyone’s life in jeopardy by going out and about.

  63. Don Escaped Texas

    In Blackbeard Pirate Ship Case, Supreme Court Scuttles Copyright Claims

    The state claimed it was immune to (copyright) suits because over the last quarter century the Supreme Court has ruled that in general individuals cannot sue sovereign states without their permission in federal court. Allen countered that the copyright provisions of the Constitution trump that general rule when combined with other rights-enforcement provisions in the Constitution. But on Monday, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously against Allen and for the state’s immunity from such federal lawsuits.

    Well blow me down.

    • leon

      So they can steal IP (yeah yeah yeah, if you don’t like it, whatever. Right now we have IP) and not even pay for a takings?

      • The Hyperbole

        North Carolina commissioned the salvage company to take charge of the recovery operation, and the company, in turn, hired Frederick Allen, a local videographer, to document the operation.

        Not really what the ruling was about but if the salvage company hired him to document the operation shouldn’t they own the work?

      • leon

        I guess it would depend on the contract that they negotiated. I imagine as a photographer that Allen was particular about the details of IP on all his work contracts.

    • UnCivilServant

      North Carolina commissioned the salvage company to take charge of the recovery operation, and the company, in turn, hired Frederick Allen, a local videographer, to document the operation.

      The Supremes got it wrong. They should have ruled that this was a work for hire, and he didn’t own the copyright, not that you can’t sue a state for being a turd.

    • leon

      Writing for the Court, Justice Elena Kagan pointed to several precedents over the past 26 years in which the justices have barred such lawsuits. True, she said, Congress had explicitly and clearly enacted legislation allowing such federal lawsuits. But that legislation was enacted before the Supreme Court had begun reading the 11th Amendment to bar such suits.

      Mainly, though, the court’s opinion was couched in terms of deference to precedent–namely in this case, the precedents of the last 26 years. “To reverse a decision, we demand a special justification over and above the belief that the precedent was wrongly decided,” Kagan wrote. “And Allen offers us nothing special at all.”

      Sure congress said this is legit, but thats why we started reading the 11th that way.

      It might be wrong, but we need more reason than that to change it.

      • juris imprudent

        It would be interesting if Congress re-passed the legislation with explicit reference/intent to quash the precedent. Sorta like how SCotUS usually handles the 9th Circus.

      • R C Dean

        The 11th Amendment:

        The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.

        that would only justify dismissing this suit if the photographer is not a resident of North Carolina, which I don’t see one way or the other in the article. Reading this to immunize states against suits by their own residents is plainly beyond the scope of the amendment.

        Not that SCOTUS would balk at such a ruling.

  64. Fourscore

    Headline, Fox News

    Pentagon predicts CV to last 3 more months

    Same people that predicted the Iraq War was a cakewalk, with the Iraqis paying for it.

    Same people that have spent 19 years hustling a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan

    I have a lot of confidence in Pentagon prognostications. I’m guessing they’ll need a few bil…, oh hell, make it a trillion to get every ready for the next crisis.

    • The Other Kevin

      In my perfect world every news story about a prediction would include the source’s last 5 predictions and how accurate they were.

      Opinions are the new facts, it seems.

      • leon

        In my perfect world every news story about a prediction would include the source’s last 5 predictions and how accurate they were.

        I read somewhere that they did a study of talking heads and found that on average they are right 50% of the time with their predictions, but that the more viewers a talking head had, the more likely they were to be wrong in their predictions.

    • Hyperion

      Are those the same guys who said our greatest enemy now is global warming? Nothing to do?

    • BakedPenguin

      Robert McNamara: What’s the kill ratio?

      • Don Escaped Texas

        My punch-cards tell me I’m winning

      • BakedPenguin

        I remember my dad taking me to his job where he worked on computers like this. The Phone Company (the only one then) had an entire floor dedicated to them. When they went down, he was the fix-it guy.

        And yeah, he had tons of punch cards.

      • BakedPenguin

        Umm…somewhere else?

      • juris imprudent

        Give McNamara a smidgen of credit – he came to see how wrong he was. Bundy and Rostow died believing in how righteous they were. You really can’t get more wrong than that.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        I got there quickly, albeit all hindsight.

        As a guy who has been paid well to build things that shouldn’t be built at all, it rang true. As a cynical bastard from birth who read Catch-22 (the first time) at eleven, I’ve long recognized that organizations are capable of tremendous mistakes even when few of its constituents agree with the plan; worse, things you didn’t plan for happen anyway.

    • Swiss Servator

      “a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan”

      OK, not to pick on you x80…. that one really bakes my onion. It is not a “bunch of goat herders” – the combatants in Afghanistan are primarily foreigners, paid by the Saudis, and anyone else hoping to have their more troublesome elements go wage war outside their own lands. Without Pak sanctuaries, foreign recruiting and arming, this would have been reduced to the low level, constant tribal disputations that have been rumbling along for some long time. The Hazara, Uzbeks and Tajiks aren’t exactly filling the ranks of the Taliban or Haqqanis. Most of the Pashtun want to be left alone, as they have been fighting since the early-mid 1970s.

      Yes, there are some locals jumping in – that supreme asshole Hekmatyar Gulbuddin did for a long time, until he managed to cut a deal. His HIG were the ones that took the most shots at yours truly. But the Chechens, Iranians, Arabs and Pak Pashtuns are almost all the people fighting to get their influence or part of Afghanistan.

      The time I was in AF (2004-2005) we would annihilate columns of Talib, marching into Afghanistan from Pakistan…by the time I left, they were changing to smaller, dispersed groups. The stream of fighters keeps on flowing – but it ain’t “goat herders”.

      • Ozymandias

        I hadn’t realized that you and I knew were in country at the same time, Switzy. Mazel tov!
        Were you in the south or north in 04-05? I was mostly northeast of Kabul, in the area where the Haqqanis hold sway. Later (’05-06) I spent time from as far north as J’bad and as far south as Qandahar (QAF).
        And I concur with your assessment. The problem was not goatherders; that is most decidedly not who the military is fighting there. ’05 is when we started to see the migration of tactics as the lessons they learned from Iraq got exported to Afghanistan. For one example, car bombs/IEDs hadn’t been a thing in Afghanistan, but once the jihadis perfected those TTPs in Iraq, it started to show up in the tribal areas.

      • AlexinCT

        More like goat fuckers, right?

      • Ozymandias

        I understand we have those in the US, as well. (No need to fly that far just to shoot at ’em.)

  65. The Late P Brooks

    “To reverse a decision, we demand a special justification over and above the belief that the precedent was wrongly decided,” Kagan wrote. “And Allen offers us nothing special at all.”

    The Supremes, from the top rope, with a folding chair FYTW!

  66. Mojeaux

    Approaching 600-700 comments per links post. I can tell y’all are working from home.

    • UnCivilServant

      I’ve lost track of what my deliverables are supposed to be and am too frazzled to put together a coherent inquiry about them.

    • leon

      You’re saying we are so productive that we now have more time to comment at Glibs?

    • Not Adahn

      For certain definitions of the word “working,” yes.

    • Nephilium

      Only us “essentials”.

    • juris imprudent

      [Pops head up, looks around]

      Huh?

      [Goes back to staring at work laptop]

    • AlmightyJB

      I’m on vacation. But I missed all the fun cause I slept late.

  67. The Late P Brooks

    I’m miffed. Miffed, I tell you. I put in a lowball limit buy order on a stock yesterday. I was trying to buy back what I sold a few weeks ago, at half what I sold it for. It hit my number, but my order did not get picked up. If my buy had gone through, I’d be up almost 20% right now.

    Maybe next dip. Volatility is fun.

    • BakedPenguin

      I bought a lot of long-term call options on an energy stock. Let’s just say I’m hoping for a good outcome from a re-invigorated economy.

      For humanity’s sake, of course.

  68. J. Frank Parnell

    So let’s say it turns out hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for THD.

    And then someone, somewhere, refuses to take it because they remember hearing about some guy who died taking it. And then that person dies of THD.

    I’m going to go waay out on a limb here and assume that that will be Trump’s fault too, right?

    • leon

      Someone has to be blamed. And As president he is responsible for everything that the country does, or fails to do.

  69. creech

    Cuomo is on tv now whining about how NYC gets lots of travelers from abroad, high population density, etc. etc. Hey, if you choose to cram yourself into petri dishes known as subways and taxis and other public venues, why should those of us in suburbia and rural flyover country have to abide by your restrictions and take a fist in the economic mouth?

    • leon

      NYC Best city in the world!

      Oddly don’t hear a lot of people extolling the virtue of living in a city right now….

      • Nephilium

        What do you mean?

  70. The Late P Brooks

    Cuomo is on tv now whining about how NYC gets lots of travelers from abroad, high population density, etc. etc.

    That’s what makes NYC speshul. And ten buzillyun times better than your podunk shithole.

    Most Important City in America.

  71. The Late P Brooks

    Let’s just say I’m hoping for a good outcome from a re-invigorated economy.

    For humanity’s sake, of course.

    So say we all, Penguin.

    • Jarflax

      They will pass it, with all the BS in it, and with a 3 trillion price tag. I will not be eligible for any handouts or tax breaks. That has been my prediction since they started the ball rolling and I see no reason to change it now.

      • AlexinCT

        You will be eligible for the group they come after to pay for more of this shit, though.

        And so will I, unfortunately, because I chose to get edumacated and work my ass off to be able to afford my monocle and orphans. These pols are not idiots. Just like the guy that said you rob the banks because that’s where the money is, these pols say you rob the productive because that’s where the wealth gets built..

    • J. Frank Parnell

      risk-limiting audits of results of elections

      It’s too risky to elect Republicans, so all elections will be audited to ensure that only Democrats win.

      • AlexinCT

        It will be more like “we want no legal requirements that keep illegals, dead people, people that vote more than once, and other sorts of vote fraudsters that practically always vote team blue, from voting and/or create a requirement that car trunks or buses loaded with pallets of votes just automatically get counted. Who the fuck cares if voter turnout is 150% of eligible voters, right?

      • Hyperion

        Dude, some people need to have the right to vote at least 5-6 times, to ensure equality!

    • Hyperion

      Been saying for a long time, but we need a Constitutional amendment to disallow adding any more than one single subject for any bill that can be voted on.

      Then no one will run for office, because it’s all just one big game to see how much each team can bargain for themselves of your money. That’s why they go into politics, to steal from tax payers.

      Limit terms for any elected office to one 2 year term, unpaid, and you can never run again and put in the amendment that I just spoke of and this shit will end.