Beware of imitators, because its not the real thing.

by | Apr 4, 2020 | Beer, Food & Drink, Musings, Open Post, Science | 464 comments

I will go ahead and say I will require something a bit stronger in these trying times, I don’t know about anyone else.

This is my review of Bulleit Burboun.

The impetus for today’s mindfuck is this article from the Atlantic but published for free here.  The theory comes from this this Professor of Cognitive Science that explains the reality you are perceiving is not necessarily real.

Where the hell was this guy in 2016?  Might have helped a few people cope…

In all seriousness the interview in the article is very interesting.

The classic argument is that those of our ancestors who saw more accurately had a competitive advantage over those who saw less accurately and thus were more likely to pass on their genes that coded for those more accurate perceptions, so after thousands of generations we can be quite confident that we’re the offspring of those who saw accurately, and so we see accurately. That sounds very plausible. But I think it is utterly false. It misunderstands the fundamental fact about evolution, which is that it’s about fitness functions — mathematical functions that describe how well a given strategy achieves the goals of survival and reproduction. The mathematical physicist Chetan Prakash proved a theorem that I devised that says: According to evolution by natural selection, an organism that sees reality as it is will never be more fit than an organism of equal complexity that sees none of reality but is just tuned to fitness. Never.

[…]

Suppose in reality there’s a resource, like water, and you can quantify how much of it there is in an objective order — very little water, medium amount of water, a lot of water. Now suppose your fitness function is linear, so a little water gives you a little fitness, medium water gives you medium fitness, and lots of water gives you lots of fitness — in that case, the organism that sees the truth about the water in the world can win, but only because the fitness function happens to align with the true structure in reality. Generically, in the real world, that will never be the case. Something much more natural is a bell curve  — say, too little water you die of thirst, but too much water you drown, and only somewhere in between is good for survival. Now the fitness function doesn’t match the structure in the real world. And that’s enough to send truth to extinction. For example, an organism tuned to fitness might see small and large quantities of some resource as, say, red, to indicate low fitness, whereas they might see intermediate quantities as green, to indicate high fitness. Its perceptions will be tuned to fitness, but not to truth. It won’t see any distinction between small and large — it only sees red — even though such a distinction exists in reality.

He then goes on to explain how your senses can be telling you what you need to understand about your environment but that doesn’t necessarily make it real.  This is similar to the “Mad Genius” argument Descartes is often credited with.  To put succinctly, Descartes’ thought experiment is part of the premise behind The Matrix: the machines control humanity by stimulating their brains electrically in a way an individual can experience everyday life in virtual world and not know it because their senses are stimulated in the same way to be interpreted as reality by their brains.

Even for a less absurd example, he uses a computer icon as an example of your perception not being in line with reality.  This is probably too long to quote here so I won’t.  Another example I think works is that of the biological adaptation of mimicry.  Here certain animals evolve in a manner they appear identical to one another except one is significantly more dangerous than the other.  Certain species of reptiles mimic others that are poisonous.  The monarch and viceroy butterfly are another example but they mimic each other to ward off different predators because they each taste terrible to different predators.   It is as Werner Heisenberg says, “What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning.”

No matter how you want to think of it, the real truth is evolution is the process of survival.  In the hunter-gatherer didn’t need to understand the true nature of his existence. If you consider the same evolutionary apparatus that brought you consciousness is the same one that allows a rodent, an leek, or a flatworm to flourish in spite of not having the same mental capacity.  They developed to a point where it isn’t needed for survival.  If survival is the only goal you don’t necessarily have to consider the why.  In which case if there is some other reality where something is pulling our strings, keeping us trapped of in a false reality does it really matter?  This reality is the best we got.

 

Unless this reality also includes this bourbon, then we can certainty do better.  Honestly, I  thought it would be cool with the glass.

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464 Comments

  1. Nephilium

    Why not both? Unfortunately they stopped distributing this to Ohio, but I’ve got a bottle stashed in the basement. Now I want to find the Rye version.

    • Cy

      The rye with coke is delightful

      • MikeS

        ?

  2. The Late P Brooks

    Far out, man.

  3. PieInTheSky

    I have been watching the whiskey live stream for the last 3 odd hours and I already drank to much. But they all have a whiskey in hand. Maybe I should do a second whisky review post…

    • l0b0t

      Thanks for linking that earlier. I’ve trying to check in throughout the day.

  4. Drake

    I made a Gin & Tonic with Brockmans gin last night – where have you been all my life? Spicy, sweet and citrusy, then dry.

    • PieInTheSky

      what tonic?

      • Drake

        Nothing special – Polar. I’ll look for better next time I’m at the fancy grocery store.

      • westernsloper

        Try the Jack Rudy tonic syrups. Amazon has them. I think Jesse, or RC linked them in a post way back. They make a great G&T.

    • R C Dean

      Citadelle has been my go-to for G & Ts. I’ll have to give Brockmans a try.

    • Ted S.

      Kent Brockman’s gin?

  5. R C Dean

    “You don’t see with your eye, you see with your mind.”

    This became clear to me one day when I was trying to read a sign that was just a little too far away; I couldn’t quite make out the letters. When my wife told me what it said, suddenly I could see each letter.

    • Not Adahn

      The number of pixels in the eye is surprisingly low. The brain is amazing at image correction.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        This was a hot topic in EE in college when I was there. There’s an immense amount of neural processing before the image hits your brain. In other words, there’s plenty of subconscious processes of recognition that are easily gamed.

        We were working on the initial attempts at AI recognition of things like tanks and missile carriers. I’ll give you one guess where our funding was coming from.

      • Homple

        The local Confucius Institute?

    • Don Escaped Texas

      see also hunters shooting dogs and cows during deer season

      I’m so suspicious of what I see that last year when I holed a 210yard 3hybrid, the low probability of such an event enabled me to “see” it rolling past the hole, behind the pin’s presentation in line of sight, and off the back of the green.

  6. Not Adahn

    Interesting, most people lurve Bulleit bourbon. Anything specific about it you didn’t? Personally I think it’s fine, but not worth seeking out.

    • Spudalicious

      ^^I’m in this camp^^

      • robc

        I am in the Bulleit sucks camp.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      Nothing wrong with it at all I just prefer their rye but don’t presently have it on hand. Its a like a Chrysler K-car, it does the job.

      • Ted S.

        A nice, reliant automobile?

      • Not Adahn

        >.>

  7. Animal

    Bulleit bourbon is OK, a decent, mainstream if somewhat pedestrian tipple. They make a middlin’-decent rye, too.

    In face, I have a bottle of Bulleit bourbon on the counter right now. Think I’ll have a snort.

    • PieInTheSky

      It’s no Buffalo Trace

    • Not Adahn

      At 9:30 in the morning?

      • Crusty Juggler

        Yeah, he isn’t gay.

      • Not Adahn

        Morning is for clear liquor you heathen. You only drink brown once you’ve switched out of morning clothes.

      • Nephilium

        Different clothes for the morning? What madness is this?

      • R C Dean

        Clothes?

      • Ted S.

        They are, after all, non-essential, at least in Vermont.

      • DEG

        They are, after all, non-essential, at least in Vermont.

        I’m certain the cops will still enforce indecent exposure laws in Vermont.

        Kafka would be proud.

      • DEG

        Actually, maybe he wouldn’t be. But he came to mind.

      • Not Adahn

        Savage. Let me guess: you wear a satin tie with a damask waistcoat too, don’t you?

      • Nephilium

        Tie?

        Waistcoat?

        I’m not even wearing pants most days now.

      • Not Adahn

        Whoops, sorry. You’re not one of our Alaskan bears.

        There is a video out there of someone doing gel testing on a .45-70 +P loading. TL;DR: it goes through all the gel.

      • Count Potato

        Someone made an Alaskan Survival Model or some such derringer that was 45-70. I’m guessing having a sprained wrist is important in surviving Alaska.

    • Naptown Bill

      This is where I am on it. I like it a lot as an upscale Jim Beam, but there are plenty of better bourbons and plenty that are as good for less money. I think it’s good enough to drink on its own but you don’t feel guilty mixing it in a cocktail. The rye is their stronger entry, I think.

  8. Not Adahn

    Whoever linked the Asher’s candy company, my order arrived a few minutes ago. It’s quite good.

    • Sean

      ?

      We had to switch to their sugar free stuff, which is still quite good.

  9. Nephilium

    Things are getting dark(er) in Cleveland.

    • Count Potato

      LOL

    • AlmightyJB

      That was great. My wife and I were arguing about what day it was last week:)

      • Nephilium

        A coworker sent it to me this morning, and I had to double check to make sure it wasn’t a workday.

    • DEG

      But at least it’s not Detroit.

  10. Lackadaisical

    so here’s something interesting.

    A friend went to the park and there were lots of people there, including many on the playground. a couple old people gave my friend the stink eye, but nothing more came of it.

    #libertarian moment

    • hayeksplosives

      i took a drive around the neighborhood and every neighbor out walking–even ones I don’t know–waved and smiled.

      And a few of us gathered on the street right after the earthquake.

      In other words, we were normal, if not slightly more friendly than before.

  11. R C Dean

    From the “unintended consequences” department.

    Leaders of a small, regional hospital south of Tucson say they are on the brink of closing because of costs associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

    One of the problems, Adams explained, is that elective surgeries have been canceled as a result of an executive order by Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey in anticipation of a surge of patients ill with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

    The cancellation of surgeries means less revenue coming in from patients at a time when the hospital is trying to comply with another executive order from Ducey — that all Arizona hospitals by April 24 increase their number of patient beds by 50 percent. Increasing bed capacity is adding additional expenses at a time when the hospital has very little revenue, Adams explained.

    Golly gee, outlaw the thing hospitals rely on to be solvent, and hit them with a bunch of expensive mandates. Who could have foreseen that might cause financial problems?

    Morons, ruled by idiots.

    • Lackadaisical

      hey man, there are sick people in the hospital, wouldn’t want someone to get sick because they went to have elective surgery. sure that’s true all the time, but this is super special.
      Gotta stop the kung flu no matter what. if it means we break a few eggs to make the omelette so be it.

    • RAHeinlein

      This is how things should work, now they can send their medical supplies to New York!

    • Don Escaped Texas

      Suthen recently opined something along the lines of They are getting what they voted for. Fuck ’em.

      Using examples like this, I’d like to kick that idea around sometime.

  12. Don Escaped Texas

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ford-and-gm-are-undertaking-a-warlike-effort-to-produce-ventilators-it-may-fall-short-and-come-too-late/ar-BB12acKh?li=BBnb7Kz

    Scrambling to get production underway, the workers took apart a ventilator and 3-D scanned each of the roughly 300 parts, creating computer simulations of how the device could be assembled efficiently

    Possibilities
    1/ GM is so hung up in their bureaucracy and so stupid that they actually think this is the fastest way to develop the process.
    2/ The journalo is so hot to get some tech in the story that some minor scanning step’s contribution has been blown completely out of proportion.
    3/ Some GM PR person is so hot to get some tech in the story that . . .
    4/ Trump critique prioritized “just do something” management technique, so useless/redundant steps are being showcased to the monkey off GM’s back.
    5/ Current supplier’s process design, routings, and work instructions will arrive by Pony Express in two weeks because they can’t get paper for their fax machine.
    6/ GM is stumped by the design requirement for 6.35mm-20 screws.
    7/ The design/build companies that actually supply GM assembly processes from Kitchener are protesting the Trump 3M mask embargo.
    8/ A redesign is under way to save lots of money and speed up supply by working off some inventory of Chevette fenders “that Bill thinks are in Warehouse 7.”

    • Not Adahn

      Man it’s going to suck when the Toyota ventilators hit the market tomorrow for 80% of the cost of the GM.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Ok, but that gives me money left over to add a turbocharger and Tein coilovers.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        Don’t forget graphics. Its not fast without graphics.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        an old mechanic kept a faux tuner magazine cover on the wall in his office; the lead article

        which is faster: stickers or paint?

        Another article teased on that cover asked “wrenches, what to do if you see one”

      • mexican sharpshooter

        Paint, obviously.

      • Naptown Bill

        If I can’t bolt a Greddy exhaust on my ventilator I’d rather just die.

    • PieInTheSky

      heh

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      That’s beyond retarded.

      The manufacturing documents already exist. Get copies, order parts, start assembling.

      Classic engineering “I can improve this process by moving a screw 3 mm to optimize this one particular performance metric that I’ve built my career around.”

      • Don Escaped Texas

        documents already exist

        yup: implied in (5)

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Besides which, any attempt to modify the design will probably run afoul of something that the original manufacturer has already trial and errored their way out of, delaying the entire process further.

        Never underestimate the ability and willingness of an engineer to fuck a product up by unnecessarily putting their stamp on it.

      • Not an Economist

        I hate to stick up for the automobile manufacturers, but it probably is a lot harder than it sounds.

        Their factories are optimized to build automobiles, rather than ventilators and I’m fairly certain the build process is fairly different. And switching is not going to be easy. Some of the tools will be the same, but others will be slightly different and still others the auto manufacturers won’t have. Think of somebody who frames houses and is being asked to do finish carpentry. A lot of the tools are similar but are optimized for different tasks. The framer could do it but it wouldn’t be easy.

    • Lackadaisical

      Can anyone clue me in to why these would be difficult to build?

      They seem straight forward: pump air into a person’s airway at intermittent intervals.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        probably is straightforward but still takes time and resources

        I’ve guessed here already that the two kickers that come to mind are
        a/ supply of some critical part that can’t be easily duplicated
        b/ cleanliness requirements for the new space

      • R C Dean

        I am far from an expert, but I think there’s a few things, none of which should be hard:

        (1) Filtration. Probably should have a HEPA level filter on it. Trivial.

        (2) Pressure. Probably needs to be very fine tunable and very consistent.

        (3) Evacuation. I think they need to suck as well as blow. Not sure about this.

        Except for the new helmet models (which I think have somewhat limited utility), ventilators require the patient be intubated (a tube run down their trachea), so you’ve gotta tune it just right. The real bottleneck likely isn’t the machines, its the people who know how to use them and the drugs – vent patients have to be sedated because of the intubation.

        One of the docs on here who has actually worked with them can probably give a lot better info.

      • Crusty Juggler

        ” I think they need to suck as well as blow”

        Get Winston’s Mom on the case!

      • Lackadaisical

        (3) Evacuation. I think they need to suck as well as blow. Not sure about this.

        *giggles like a teenager*

        I watched a youtube video before posting my Q, so I’m now an expert. They actually just use a consistent pressure and then intervals of increased pressure. There are other ways, some involving suction, but my understanding was that is not how they’re made.

        (2) Pressure. Probably needs to be very fine tunable and very consistent.

        I would assume that’d be best, but I’d take my chances with a knockoff crappy one if there wasn’t anything else available. Apparently these things cost several times more than my car, so I can’t help but think there is more too it, but maybe it is just a low volume, high margin item, or certain regs. making them overly expensive?

      • Don Escaped Texas

        Oh, and, regulatory overhead aside, GM’s not redeploying quality function from scratch or making hard choices. That’s a problem in a regulated industry: local actors can’t opt out of irrelevant value judgments.

        Example: maybe some part needs to be easy to clear, flexible and unbrittle, free from work-hardening, and resistant to wear (just pulling this all out of me arse). Resistant to wear might be a thoughtful requirement borne of years of failure mode effects analysis: we don’t want wear-dust to migrate into the client’s lungs; as a result, the material needs to be low-friction or self-lubricating or something in that space.

        Suddenly we’ve got binders of people dying all over the place: save me, I don’t care if I end up with a chunk of XLHDPE in the bottom of one of my lungs for the rest of my life. GM has no authority to skip the old requirement and even consider jumping to some more-readily available material.

      • RAHeinlein

        Thank you, Don. Every news outlet has some group of nerds at a University who “built one for only $250 and those plans are available for free to anyone”

      • Don Escaped Texas

        Hell, if this is war, there’s nothing keeping us from ventilating patients with a fire-place bellows. The patient’s family could enact their own labor and hand-bag grandma on shifts; nothing says you need 120VAC to save a life.

        When your friend gets shot, you apply direct pressure; it’s a hurry care. Nice if you’ve got gloves, but you don’t call a timeout and start reading FDA specs to see if you’ve got the right gloves. He might wear a duct tape bandage to the ER, and he’ll be glad to have it.

      • hayeksplosives

        I’m guessing regulations are the main problem. Health products have some high and un-necessary standards, just like an emergency stop button costs more than a regular pushbutton because it is marketed as “safety equipment” and has to pass some strict standards.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    One of the problems, Adams explained, is that elective surgeries have been canceled as a result of an executive order by Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey in anticipation of a surge of patients ill with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

    The cancellation of surgeries means less revenue coming in from patients at a time when the hospital is trying to comply with another executive order from Ducey — that all Arizona hospitals by April 24 increase their number of patient beds by 50 percent. Increasing bed capacity is adding additional expenses at a time when the hospital has very little revenue, Adams explained.

    The man won a popularity contest! People like him! Of course he’s qualified to tell hospitals how to conduct their day-to-day operations.

    • R C Dean

      Cancelling elective surgeries is something you do when you are running out of capacity right now, not something you do because you might run out of capacity weeks or months from now.

      Nobody is going to catch the Commie Cough while getting elective surgery, so if this was supposed to prevent the spread of the virus, it makes as much sense as grounding commercial airlines because a private airplane crashed.

      • Jarflax

        It is all theater, just like making us take our shoes off at the airport, requiring a new ‘standard’ for ID, creating no fly lists, mailing us $1200 etc. I am not sure it is even nefarious, when people get scared you give them a pat on the back and tell them something comforting. Government’s version of that is to make things very uncomfortable and inconvenient and then point to the discomfort and inconvenience as evidence that they are taking the risk seriously.

        The fact that the only thing politicians know how to do is lie, and the only thing bureaucrats know how to do is check boxes on forms leaves them confused when an actual real world problem arises so they find an expert. Experts tend to have tunnel vision. An epidemiologist sees the world in terms of number, frequency, and type of human contacts leading to spread. His model is all about controlling the spread, and does not adequately consider Bastiat’s unseen. So we get shelter in place, no unessential work, empty the hospitals to be ready for peak load etc. The fact, obvious to an economist, that the economy is all interconnected and massively disrupting parts of it will ripple through the rest, is not obvious to the epidemiologist. He isn’t being malign or uncaring. He is just looking down a tunnel in which minimizing spread and diverting resources to the fight is all he sees.

        He misses the fact that by ordering 3M to stop selling masks oversees he is solving a problem of this instant by devastating nexte week. He misses the fact that by ordering hospitals to stop doing ‘nonessential’ procedures he is not really freeing up resources to handle the current need, instead he is reducing the verall amount of resources. He misses the fact that the same companies that make parts and raw materials for the ‘essential’ products also make parts and materials for nonessential products and can neither divert the production capacity for those nonessential items to the essential ones, nor stay in business without the nonessential ones. He misses amillion other hidden things I miss also. Top down can never work. Humans are not God; none of us can see even a solid minority of the consequences of massive disruptions.

      • Festus

        Nicely put, Jarflax.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        I thought you were going to be on the call last night.

        put my hair up and everything

      • Festus

        I was there but fashionably late. Even let the other Glibs make sport of my appearance. Sorry to have missed you. Next time perchance…

      • Festus

        That’s what Cinderella’s step-sisters said. I knew if I peeled that bit of electrical tape there would be consequences.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        +5M

        /https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9322#Death_toll

      • K

        I know this is a dead thread, but you just summed up my opinion more better than I ever could.

  14. Sean

    Week 4 grocery shopping update.

    We tried to go to Trader Joe’s to mix things up. It’s located in Montgomery county – which has the 2nd highest amount of Kung Flu peeps in PA. We both had masks and were prepared to wear them shopping. We get there and they are rationing the amount of people allowed in at a time. The line wrapped around the end of the strip mall. Sure, the length was exaggerated due to social distancing. It was drizzling out. Fuck that noise.

    We ended up at The Fresh Market again.

    Very similar to last week. People pretty chill, but maintaining good spacing. A couple people wearing masks and maybe a little light on the amount of shoppers. Mostly full shelves, with some bare spots. One of those bare spots was were my salsa was supposed to be. ?

    There are now plexi shields at the check outs. That was really the only new thing I spotted.

    • PieInTheSky

      go to whole foods

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I’m beginning to think you have Amazon stock.

      • grrizzly

        Whole Foods is inferior to Wegmans in every way.

      • Crusty Juggler

        This is an inarguable fact.

      • Nephilium

        But Wegmans has it made it to Ohio yet.

      • Nephilium

        has hasn’t.

      • Not Adahn

        Whole Foods is inferior to HEB Central Market in every way.

      • R C Dean

        Every grocery store is inferior to HEB Central Market in every way.

      • Tulip

        This is true

      • Rebel Scum

        Wegmans is the shit, but it is a little rich for my blood. I go on occasion for special recipes ‘n such. Their wine selection rivals Total Wine.

    • Rebel Scum

      plexi shields at the check outs

      Same at the Food Lion when I went on my booze run. Also, they have chicken now. I guess hoarder’s freezers are full. Still no tp.

      I am picking up my actual weekly groceries from Wally World tomorrow. Last week, when I could finally get a pick up time, the lady came up to the car and said to close the window because new policy.

      Me: You won’t be able to heat me through the window.
      Her: You can crack it.
      Me: Then what’s the point?

  15. The Late P Brooks

    Scrambling to get production underway, the workers took apart a ventilator and 3-D scanned each of the roughly 300 parts, creating computer simulations of how the device could be assembled efficiently

    “Look busy, guys. The cameras are rolling.”

    • Don Escaped Texas

      Look busy

      yup: that’s what (4) means

  16. PieInTheSky

    I need to shave but don’t feel like it. I mean I don’t really need to but I should it is getting itchy

    • Rebel Scum

      I often let mine go until it gets itchy and bothersome. Always trim the neck beard though.

  17. Crusty Juggler

    I don’t care for the taste of bourbon.

    Scotch > Irish > Canadian > Bourbon

    I’ve never sippied a Jap whiskey and never will after what they created and spread the Wuhan.

    • Nephilium

      Canadian above bourbon? What kind of a monster are you?

      • Crusty Juggler

        One with carefully developed taste buds.

      • Nephilium

        You may need to get them calibrated.

    • Heroic Mulatto

      I can’t even.

    • Gustave Lytton

      WTF is Jap whiskey? Is it like Japanese whisky?

      • PieInTheSky

        yes, only peated

      • Gustave Lytton

        If I have a bottle of Hakushu and in Romania, I’ll drop it off.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        It’s whatever whiskey is preferred by upper middle class women who attend BU.

      • Jarflax

        BU? Not SUNY?

      • UnCivilServant

        The upper middle class does not attend SUNY.

      • Ted S.

        I’m thinking Boston University.

      • Jarflax

        That is what BU means to me, I just didn’t associate BU with (((Princesses))). I think of BU as where the Irish Catholics who couldn’t get into Notre Dame go.

      • Crusty Juggler

        That’s BC not BU.

      • Jarflax

        Gotcha, I probably am confusing them.

      • Crusty Juggler

        He meant Syracuse University.

      • UnCivilServant

        No one in their right mind would attend that worthless waste of real estate.

      • Crusty Juggler

        I am sure it is a fairly valuable piece of real estate, and many who attend seem to go on to have long and fruitful careers in their field of choice.

        Also, a lot of Jew broads from Long Island attend, which is why I mentioned it, as it was the topic under discussion.

      • UnCivilServant

        Just because this is a world full of people not in their right mind doesn’t change the fact that it should be shuttered and the imbeciles running the place shunned from normal society.

      • Count Potato

        “The upper middle class does not attend SUNY.”

        They used to.

      • UnCivilServant

        Funny, SUNY was treated as the failure track by the pro-college crowd. Is it viewed differently from outside the state?

      • Crusty Juggler

        A failure track to…high paying union jobs throughout New York State?

      • UnCivilServant

        There are no high paying union jobs in new york state.

        And if you’re talking about state jobs, there is a dearth of SUNY graduates in the state workforce.

      • Ted S.

        For relaxing times, make it Suntory time.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        fuck dem wallpaper swatches, there was business to attend to

        * mops brow *

      • Don Escaped Texas

        ugh

        fuck dem wallpaper swatches, there was business to attend to

        * mops brow *

    • Tundra

      Not sure about your ordering, but Connemara 12 Year is pretty fucking good.

      • Crusty Juggler

        It is excellent.

        I concur.

    • egould310

      You’re wrong CJ. Bourbon>Scotch>Irish>Urine.

      Drinking a Smirnoff and Emergen-C right now.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Gu is an attention whore of the worst kind.

      • Gustave Lytton

        And like Dr. Science, he’s not a real doctor!

        I still say I’d rather take my chances with corona than with Gu if that’s the only one available.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        He’d be too busy beating the shit out of his wife to take care of you anyway.

      • R C Dean

        Yup. From wiki:

        He started a surgical residency at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in 2015.[3] Vanderbilt put Gu on administrative leave for two weeks in November 2017, and placed him on probation until March 2018. Gu said this was due to his tweets opposing white supremacy; Vanderbilt was unable to comment on personnel matters but stated that the leave was based on Vanderbilt’s policies, including those concerning use of social media.[4][5]

        Gu received notice from Vanderbilt in May 2018 confirming that his residency contract would not be renewed after the third year of what is usually a five-year residency; the fourth year would have started on July 1, 2018, as such Gu does not have license to practice medicine. In a letter addressed to Gu, VUMC cited performance issues—as it did when he was placed on leave. A May 17 letter to Gu from VUMC General Counsel Michael Regier, which was obtained by the Duke Chronicle, cited “lack of sufficient improvement in performance and conduct in key areas.”[6]

        Somebody with time to waste on socials should reply to every one of his tweets asking why he calls himself a doctor when he was kicked of his residency program and doesn’t have a license.

      • Gustave Lytton

        I’ve looked and he seems to be very careful not to call himself a doctor outright after getting kicked out of his residency, but he sure tries to shade it by allusions and the MD after his name.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        I think the fact that he’s a piece of shit wifebeater is more damning than both his ghoulish research that was stopped by the Federal government and his use of “Doctor” as a technicality.

      • R C Dean

        I would agree. Maybe somebody with time to waste on socials should reply to every one of his tweets asking if he has stopped beating his wife yet.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        And he’s one of the few people in which it’s not a loaded question!

      • Count Potato

        I’m surprised “being an asshole on Twitter” is enough to get a Wikipedia page.

      • Shirley Knott

        He’s also wrong. Look at the (very few) studies done on the effectiveness of prayer. AIR, people who know they are being prayed for do somewhat worse than others, by a slight but statistically significant amount. As best as can be studied, which is not well, imprecatory prayers are ineffective.
        At best, his claim is baseless, unless he’s focused on people praying for bad things to happen to BadOrangeMan.

      • UnCivilServant

        Question on prayer methodology. Were there properly four sufficiently large groups with comperable severity conditions where the prayer and non-prayer control were split into halves one know whether they were being prayed for and one not knowing?

        Or did he just do a metastudy of sorts and ended up with a sample where the people most likely to have prayers said had the most serious conditions?

      • Shirley Knott

        I honestly don’t remember, thus the suggestion to look for and then at the studies. I’m not terribly concerned either way; I may regard acts of prayers on my behalf a waste of time, but they are not ill-intentioned. A gracious person takes the spirit of the offering.
        I was somewhat more interested in the imprecatory prayer investigation. Ultimately, it came down to looking at British royalty over time and popularity. I can’t imagine how a anything other than a ‘no effect’ result would be reached, but it was an interesting study that worked hard, even if it was straining to bring forth a gnat.

      • UnCivilServant

        Well, the reason I asked about four populations was that, before you even get into the realm of faith, there is a potential for a placebo/nocebo effect on the people who know that people are either paying for them or that no one is.

      • Shirley Knott

        Yup. That was one of the primary reasons given for using the British royals over time.

      • UnCivilServant

        That is Waaaay too small a sample size.

    • Rhywun

      I was right!

    • Heroic Mulatto

      Dude is fucking nuts, but his wife is super hot.

      • Count Potato

        Pics or didn’t happen.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        It’s pinned on his Twitter account.

    • R C Dean

      Wow, those first few replies are pure quill lunacy.

    • Lackadaisical

      The day of your Resignation and Arrest will forever be a National holiday.

      Jesus, these people are delusional.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Feel free not to take it then, you cocksucker (not you, Gu-what an asshole).

      • Heroic Mulatto

        A Hippocratic axiom is that “extreme illness warrants extreme remedy”. If Gu hadn’t been kicked off his residency, he might have learned that.

  18. R C Dean

    Update from the front lines:

    Inpatients tested are running at 23% positive. Total tests by the organization are running at 9% positive.

    We closed another unit yesterday. Hard to get a number, but our furlough plan (a lot of week on/week off) has probably cut hours by 40%.

    We have a crisis alright, but its got nothing to do with the Commie Cough, and everything to do with the panic.

    The data blows, but you go to analysis with the data you have. The rate of increase of confirmed cases in AZ and Pima County does not fit onto a good curve, partly because of the law of small numbers. Throwing away the early data due to the lack of/inconsistent testing, you get day-over-day increases that have gone from percentages in the high teens and twenties (with one day in the thirties), to low teens (for AZ) and single digits (for Pima County) the last few days.

    Lamest coronatastrophe ever.

    • R C Dean

      If this holds, I meant to add, we are approaching the roll-over point on the bell curve. Still, crap data, and not a lot of data points.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        Which is good news. Whats really funny is while people at my company are panicking in their personal lives they don’t seem to be doing so professionally. The number of incoming claims and overall caseload doesn’t seem to fit the narrative.

        Then again, I have to get data second hand and am not allowed to just pull it on my own like I did at the VA.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Keep up the fight, RC. Hospitals around here are stuck with the same bind.

      How’s the PPE situation, particularly resupply? Getting mixed messages. State and unions are saying they’re just about to run out in a week. Hospitals and my county are saying they’re ok for now.

      • R C Dean

        We’re good for PPE. I almost asked my supply chain director how on earth she acquired [REDACTED] universal fit N-95s this week at a [REDACTED] discount, but decided I didn’t really want to know.

      • PieInTheSky

        stolen from Canada and Germany

      • mexican sharpshooter

        She knows a guy that knows a guy thats a pirate.

    • Heroic Mulatto

      ZestieOrangeChicken
      @RSXY 15h
      Replying to
      @StayOregon
      Who the hell knows 600 people????

      Umm, me?

      Extroverts did this pandemic, y’all.

      • UnCivilServant

        Extroverts are weird. That just ain’t right.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        I can’t argue with that.

  19. Pine_Tree

    Observation in GA, now that there’s officially a statewide house-arrest order (albeit one with oodles of exceptions): Basically, folks are doing the same amount of things they were already doing in the few days before.

    We went to the Feed & Seed this morning to get another bag of chick starter. They were still having their usual parking-lot thing on Satuday where folks sell meat rabbits or other animals, or home-potted plants or whatnot out of the backs of their trucks. Basically looked like normal, except that several of the folks (mostly oldsters) had masks on.

    • Lackadaisical

      The store here seemed busier than usual if anything.

      Cower in place not going to work if everybody is pushing around the same 100 shopping carts and such… not that I’m worried about it, it just seems like you need to go big or go home with this nonsense.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      So the Georgia version of a wet market? Did they have any possums or skunk apes available, they’re both great pan fried with olive oil and garlic.

      • Pine_Tree

        Olive oil is completely the wrong medium for both of those.

        And I’ve been in wet markets in South China – we’re a long way from that.

      • PieInTheSky

        A lard man?

      • Pine_Tree

        I like lard, but frankly here you grow up knowing that peanut oil (bought by the gallon) is preferred for deep-frying.

        And when it cools off, you strain it through cheesecloth, back into the jug, and use it again. Generally doesn’t carry flavors over, not that it would matter when 90% of what you’re doing is fish and hushpuppies each time.

      • Pine_Tree

        And for normal cook-on the stove things though, the normal answer is bacon grease. Whenever you cook bacon, you pour the grease into a jar on the back of the counter, and then scoop some out when you want to fry eggs or potatoes or something.

        Or, if you’re my son, when you serve yourself a bowl of grits, you mix a big serving spoon of bacon grease into it instead of butter.

      • PieInTheSky

        i don’t trust reusing grease. When I do duck breasts there is a lot of fat left over, but I usually throw that away although it could be used.

      • Tundra

        Dude. Save that stuff.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        Word, brother: reusing grease has kept my kin from living a day past 104

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I knew there was something wrong with you Pie.

      • Count Potato

        Throw away duck fat? Are you some eccentric billionaire?

      • Jarflax

        Throwing away duck fat makes the baby Jesus cry. Why do you hate the baby Jesus?

      • Ted S.

        I didn’t know Jesus was schmaltzy.

      • KSuellington

        Duck fat is heavenly for potatoes. Whatever that chemistry is between them is utterly magical.

      • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

        Whoa, whoa, WHOA.
        You throw away duck fat?
        D00d, I can’t even.

      • Pine_Tree

        Sorry Pie, but if your reason for throwing away grease isn’t a peer-reviewed German study about the after-effects of Chernobyl in the Romanian food chain, then you’re just wrong.

      • Not Adahn

        The fact that literally everyglib (except The Hyperbole) is disagreeing with you should tell you how wrong you are.

      • UnCivilServant

        Glib concensus is overrated.

      • Not Adahn

        There is more agreement here on duck fat than there is on libertarianisim.

      • UnCivilServant

        You libertarians are odd folk.

      • Naptown Bill

        I’d add my voice to those disagreeing but the shock straight killed me dead.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Those are impressive.

  20. Ownbestenemy

    My neighborhood is right next to a very large 55+ community. We have a Starbucks where all the old-timers sit every morning after their round of golf.

    They have resorted to pulling out chairs and tailgate right outside their normal hangout. Respectable distance between them but refreshing to see they arent pussies.

    I know most are retired officers of various branches.

  21. Tundra

    Trippy.

    Thanks, Señor Sharpshooter!

    Speaking of cheap bourbon, I got a bottle of Evan Williams single barrel. Tried it neat, rocks and with mineral water. Excellent, particularly for the money.

      • hayeksplosives

        We always kept a bottle of Buffalo Trace in the garage. Good, reliable stuff.

      • Count Potato

        For me that would be a bit much to work on cars. I always preferred “lawnmower beer”.

      • Crusty Juggler

        A cold can of Miller High Life?

      • Mad Scientist

        Canoe beer. You know why [chose your favorite fizzy yellow beer] is like having sex in a canoe?

        They’re both fucking close to water.

      • Rebel Scum

        Miller 64?

  22. The Late P Brooks

    It seems to me our “WAR” on this disease looks a lot like pre-emptive surrender.

    • Plinker762

      Nuke it from orbit. Eliminating all of the possible carriers is they only way to stop the spread.

  23. Scruffy Nerfherder

    My youngest daughter is in the backyard playing the accordion for the neighbors, whether they want it or not.

    The shutdown is beginning to have an effect I think.

    • Naptown Bill

      This is day 3 of my daughter running around the backyard yelling, “OOOOOOOooooOOOOmommydaddymommydaddymommydaddydaddydaddymommymommymommamamamama…”

      Earlier she was in her bedroom yelling out her window so my wife could hear her through our open back door. Mind you, she could’ve turned away from the window and just talked to her mother, but whatever.

  24. hayeksplosives

    We always kept a bottle of Buffalo Trace in the garage. Good, reliable stuff.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Hmmmm…. I am running out of space on the liquor shelf…

    • PieInTheSky

      deja vu

  25. DEG

    The mathematical physicist Chetan Prakash proved a theorem that I devised that says: According to evolution by natural selection, an organism that sees reality as it is will never be more fit than an organism of equal complexity that sees none of reality but is just tuned to fitness. Never.

    Why do I smell horseshit?

    • Not Adahn

      The logic is impeccable. However he’s assuming that “reality” and “fitness” can be abstracted to any arbitrary degree. It’s an assumption on the level of a spherical cow.

      • westernsloper

        Good thing about spherical cows is they can’t be tipped.

    • Shirley Knott

      It is also, like all epistemological skepticisms, self-refuting. IOW, not just BS, but steaming BS.

  26. westernsloper

    I don’t mind Bulleit Bourbon but I am hardly a connoisseur. I really like their rye. Same disclaimer.

  27. dbleagle

    Some excitement yesterday. After I got home from work I was preparing to join the happy hour when I got a phone call from my sister-in-law. (Actually the 3d call because I didn’t recognize her number and was ignoring them.) My brother has the Kung Flu and is isolated in their spare bedroom. He has a fever, is hacking away and sounds like shit. He is 56 and in good health so should recover fine. The problem is they had dinner on Wed with my 83+ year old parents. Now everybody is freaked. I Skyped with my parents and they have no signs of anything yet, but my mom had polio when she was young and is a retired ICU and surgical nurse. She is not one that is easy to comfort. Dad is healthy but pissed he hasn’t been riding his motorcycle in the desert (Tonto NF). They just got to wait and see.

    The bad news is my siblings are freaking out, much more than my parents. The good news the dinner was outdoors eating grilled steaks. My brother arrived a bit late and everybody was sitting pretty far apart. Bro has no idea where he picked Kung Flu up. He last flew 3+ weeks ago so he is confident it wasn’t on a plane.

    • Crusty Juggler

      “Bro has no idea where he picked Kung Flu up. He last flew 3+ weeks ago so he is confident it wasn’t on a plane.”

      The scary thing is that it really could be from everywhere.

      The not-so-scary thing is that there are plenty of spaces I have been in that have a confirmed case where the vast majority of the people who also work in that space are not infected or have no symptoms of infection.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Sorry man, hope things go well.

    • Gender Traitor

      Hope your brother recovers quickly and your parents escape infection.

    • DEG

      Sorry. Best wishes for your brother’s recovery and that your parents don’t get sick.

    • Count Potato

      Yikes!

      Sorry 🙁

      • Count Potato

        Also, prayers.

    • westernsloper

      Hope everything works out Dbl.

    • Festus

      Sorry. Like crusty said, it could have been anywhere. Doorknobs, shopping carts, ATMs…

  28. Gender Traitor

    I have just single-handedly wrestled the 50-pound marshmallow that is my back porch futon out of its winter storage bag and box, into its cover, and on to the chaise-style frame. Tranquility Base is officially open for the season. As long as I can spend time back here with trees, birds, and squirrels, I feel as if I can face just about anything. (File photo)

    • PieInTheSky

      my back porch futon – you have two porches? luxury

      • Gender Traitor

        The front “porch” is no more than a stoop, and the back porch is a cracked slab of cement with a coat of paint that’s half worn off. And to get there from the house, you have to go through the garage. It’s the furthest thing from luxurious, but on a spring or summer morning/early afternoon, it’s surprisingly peaceful for being just a few doors down from a “main drag” (state highway.)

    • Ted S.

      Sexy feet.

      • Tres Cool

        Sike!
        Those are Mr. Traitor’s feet

    • DEG

      Very nice.

  29. Don Escaped Texas

    ugh

    After we clear this beachhead, there are miles of hedgerows to traverse. After this goat has gone through the python and the capacity of ICU exceed demand, I’ve still got aged parents that must run a not-risk-free gauntlet. Sooner or later, everyone gets exposed. I don’t envy anyone who is forced to deal with this while we’re on the steepest part of the learning curve and have the fewest answers and resources.

    • R C Dean

      I think there is a solid chance that the body of water we just crossed was the Rhine, not the English Channel. My theory: this thing has been here longer than we know, more people have already had it than we know, and we are either close to or past the peak of the bell curve. The increase in positive cases is (mostly? entirely?) a product of the increased testing, not of increased incidence.

      IOW, we are likely destroying our economy for exactly nothing. The window for social distancing and misc. panic-driven emergency orders was before January, not now.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Really need serology testing and surveys. The tin foil mask says it will be delayed to allow quarantine theater to have a full run.

      • hayeksplosives

        “The window for social distancing and misc. panic-driven emergency orders was before January, not now.L

        Would’ve been handy if the ChiComs were more forthcoming with their info.

      • Timeloose

        Does anybody know how close an antibody test is to being available?

      • westernsloper

        They are doing them in San Miguel county CO. Home of Telluride.

      • Timeloose

        Thanks everyone.

      • R C Dean

        The question is, how fast can they ramp up to run, say, millions a month through the summer.

      • Timeloose

        Agreed,

        I’m thinking that making the high risk people a priority for testing would allow some to get back to work. It would also allow the previously infected to be sources of antibodies for those same people at risk.

      • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

        They wouldn’t need millions. They need a point estimate of previously infected people in the population of the U.S. At most, a few thousand properly-randomized tests would give them that information to a high degree of precision.

        And if they think certain regions have significantly different infection rates, they can test those regions separately. Again, a few thousand would be more than enough.

      • Gustave Lytton

        We’re already up to ~100K/day of the regular tests (~3M/month). Not sure if that’s sustainable giving lab capacity, lab supplies, sample supplies, and PPE. All of those have cropped up as reasons for limiting further ramp up.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        beachhead

        Oh I get it. Yes, that really doesn’t belong in an otherwise balance remark; there are better ways to introduce the notion of later phases. One side of the brain was judicious; the other side was just laughing at Trump’s egomania.

      • Naptown Bill

        Interesting, so you think we’re really just seeing the tail end of an outbreak? There’s probably no way to get good data on this but it would be interesting to see if there was an uptick of upper respiratory ailments or pneumonia at the end of last year into January.

      • R C Dean

        The CDC has data on that. My recollection is that “ILI” (influenza-like illness) was running a touch high, but nothing shocking. Don’t recall what they were saying about pneumonia.

        IF (all caps intentional) that bad cold going around this winter was the Commie Cough, then I think we will learn that most people get through this without enough of an issue to really show up in the data. Pneumonia-prone patients could have gotten the Commie Cough or the flu as a toss-up, and you might not even see it (much) in the pneumonia data.

      • Gustave Lytton

        https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2

        Not sure if coronavirus is included/excluded from the P&I deaths that are currently spiking on the right side of the chart, but there was a spike at the end of 2019/begin 2020. Also note that both are dwarfed by the spike two years ago that was barely registering with the public.

  30. Fatty Bolger

    So now Governor Douchewine has proclaimed from on high that grocery stores must limit the number of people they let into the store at once. Which means lines, and even more panic buying of more than people need because they know they’ll have to wait in line to get in again. My kids work at Kroger, and they say store management is completely against this, and think it will backfire and cause serious problems.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Oh, just like limiting hours.

      Of course, give the volumes, they’re still throwing freight in the morning so partially blocked aisles and limited social distancing.

    • hayeksplosives

      Top. Men.

      They really are delusional about how well they can plan all this out.

      They then commit the ultimate blunder by failing to acknowledge human action and motivation.

      This comes as no surprise to this online crawf, but each TopMan must learn anew—-and even then many manage not to see and learn.

      • Gustave Lytton

        They really are delusional about how well they can plan all this out.

        QFT.

      • hayeksplosives

        “Crawf” is meant to be “crowd”

      • UnCivilServant

        It’s not a shorthand for crawfish?

        🙁

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      A restriction a day keeps the goonsquad away.

    • RAHeinlein

      Fauci is a lifelong bureaucrat and attention whore. If he gave two craps about legitimate infectious disease threats rather than HIV/AIDS, and banning chemicals, the national stockpile, research, readiness would have reflected that fact.

      • IRBE

        ^Yep. When he said we will stay under quarantine until there are no new cases..he lost any cred.

      • RAHeinlein

        Plus, most scientists, and particularly the Piled Higher and Deepers are trained cowards.

    • IRBE

      This is my take on Corona. We proved that the Chinese experience and data was false. We have test kits and more reliable data to “model”. We appear to have flattened the curve on the West Coast, but we can’t protect the most vulnerable from infection. 2 “old folk” homes got out breaks reported today. We have been quarantined for +3 weeks and I see people being very compliant/scared.

      How can that happen..well the methods to protect vulnerable are not rigorous enough. They are not focused. The outbreaks are so close together it probably came from the same contract cleaning crew.

      Now is the time to start managing this pandemic. We have some tools to limit spread. We have a test to analyze epidemiology. We have a treatment options that may work prophylactically.

      Let’s fix the holes that allow the vulnerable to get sick but let’s start opening up the quarantine and measure the effects.

      • Tonio

        Yes, it’s “near” (miles away from) me. Institutions are going to be a challenge.

      • R C Dean

        Confirmed =/= actual. Increased testing complicates finding the inflection point.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        no doubt

        nobody’s saying this is well-controlled data; even the deaths are ambiguous

        but what’s missing is a reason to think either are going down
        doG knows I’d love to see such figures if they were out there

      • IRBE

        In looking at deaths/day, there does seem to be an upward trend. I don’t think there will be discernible peak for some time (months), especially if every respiratory case will be assigned to corona and increased use of testing.

        The west coast looks manageable since I believe the virus was here at Thanksgiving (4 months and counting). Weather is warming, schools are closed, people are much more aware. Provided we better protect the most vulnerable first.

        I am not saying we immediately go back to 19, but slowly open up more business, managing mass transit better, ect. to see the effects seem reasonable to me. We have our own data now. No more relying on Chicom data (fear of the worst) to make decisions.

      • Gustave Lytton

        One slight bright spot is it appears 9k have recovered in NY, according to the worldometers aggregation. Note that recovered is free of the virus, not necessarily full recovery.

    • R C Dean

      Eh, its exactly the kind of thing a well-trained and highly risk averse bureaucrat will say, regardless of how much foundation there is for it.

      That said, new bugs do pop out periodically, mostly in recent years from China. It was a question of when, not whether, and saying it would happen in the next four years doesn’t impress me much.

      • Jarflax

        If you read past the highlighted part the next sentence makes it clear he was saying that surprise disease outbreaks are NOT surprises and pop up regularly. “The history of the last 32 years that I have been the direcor of the NIAID will tell the next administration that there is no doubt they will be faced with the challenges their predecessors were faced with.”

    • DEG

      That started yesterday in New Hampshire. I don’t think Sununu ordered it. Last I checked, there were grocery stores not limiting the number of customers in the store.

    • Gender Traitor

      So….I have just a couple of things to grab at Meijer when we go to pick up dinner this evening. Am I going to regret not going yesterday?

      • Tres Cool

        Surprisingly, WalMart didnt have much of a line. 4th of the month, and a Saturday, I expected the worst.
        Home Depot was cray.
        TSC was just fine.

        When I drove past Meijer it seemed normal. Busy af tho.

    • LCDR_Fish

      I had no issues at my local one today other than that they only have one set of entrances open. Of course, this time, bleach/cleaning stuff is cleared out. I’d like to pick up some masks, but didn’t see any there or at Lowes. Still have a few dust masks from a year or two back that I’ll keep in the car for now – think I may need them next week at work just in case.

    • Count Potato

      “The book, “Short Speeches As Spoken By Alfred Lawson,” chronicled in photos and story a speech Lawson made to an overflow crowd at the International Amphitheater in Chicago on June 9, 1935. Thousands saw him speak at the Milwaukee Auditorium on Sept. 26, 1937.

      Such turnouts were reported in cities throughout the Midwest in the 1930s, and the movement also spread to the West Coast. The lawsonomy newspaper, The Benefactor, once claimed a circulation of more than 6 million.”

      Wow.

  31. Festus

    Thanks for the Saturday hung-over mind fuck, Mex. I love this place.

  32. Rebel Scum
    • Festus

      whoa

  33. DEG

    Hospital furloughs coming to NH

    The group that owns Lakes Region General Hospital and Franklin Regional Hospital is furloughing more than 600 employees, starting Tuesday.

    The furloughs could last up to four months, said Kevin W. Donovan, president and CEO of LRGHealthcare, in an interview Friday.

    “These aren’t the easiest times for anyone or any organization,” Donovan said, adding it was “somewhat naive” to think that hospitals would be immune to the coronavirus pandemic and acknowledging that LRGHealthcare has struggled financially in recent years.

    The nonprofit hospital group had a $12.8 million operating deficit in 2017, the most recent tax returns available.

    Donovan said cancelling all elective and non-urgent surgeries, procedures and outpatient visits, had resulted in a more than 50% loss of revenue.

    • R C Dean

      Donovan said cancelling all elective and non-urgent surgeries, procedures and outpatient visits, had resulted in a more than 50% loss of revenue.

      Pretty typical if you aren’t in one of the hot spots.

      Also relevant: taking care of sick people is low-margin at best. A hospital full of Commie Coughers is not making much money, and could well be losing money. Thanks for making us burn our financial reserves before the pandemic hits, ya feckin idjits.

      • Count Potato

        I can kind of understand keeping beds available because who knows who might show up tomorrow. But afaik, most elective and non-urgent surgeries aren’t long stays. So cancelling them way ahead of time doesn’t make sense.

      • Nephilium

        But it’s something. It’s public, gets headlines, and is poorly thought out. So a perfect government solution.

  34. kinnath

    Perception is reality.

    • R C Dean

      Reality happens (mostly?) outside your head. Perception happens entirely inside your head. The idea that reality is limited to what you perceive is so narcissistic it is no wonder it has taken root in our society.

      • Suthenboy

        I have had this discussion a thousand times with my father
        I am not sure he is sold on the idea but he keeps bringing up the notion that culture/reality/ideas are just inventions. I keep arguing that they may be but some are ‘better’ / more accurate than others. He wants to know how so….I say “Because they work”.

        *leans back in an easy chair in my air conditioned house and takes another bite of fried chicken*

  35. LCDR_Fish

    Soooo….for the gun glibs out there – weird question. Just picked up my Shield MP2 2.0 9mm today. Pretty sure that the one I test fired at the range was not the 2.0 version, but it’s been a while.

    This one has no external safety – no issues there.

    However…if I lock the slide back, the slide release button doesn’t do anything. I have to actually handle the slide a little at the same time in order to release the slide. Tried with an empty mag a few times, but no joy. Hesitant to test with a loaded mag for obvious reasons.

    The other pistols I’ve bought/handled/rented always released the slide automatically by pressing the button. Am I missing anything or is it possible that this is a faulty item? I couldn’t find any info or clear pics in the included manual.

    Now…could potentially be something I read about in one of the PSA reviews of this pistol – that the lower is not a 2.0, but the slide and trigger are a 2.0 and they were combined by S&W…

    Thanks.

    • DEG

      I’m not familiar with that pistol, but my first thought is it’s defective. I’d double check the owner’s manual (it should be online if you don’t have it) to see if there is something special about the slide release before sending it back to the manufacturer (assuming you bought it new and it is under warranty) or taking it to a gunsmith.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Just picked it up new from my FFL this afternoon (shipped from PSA a lot faster than expected). I’ll take it by my buddy tomorrow (he’s a lot more handy/familiar with this stuff).

      • LCDR_Fish

        Thanks for the vid. WTF. Those fuckers did send me a non 2.0 lower. My lower and release is the same as the brown one in the video, but the upper and slide have 2.0 stamped on it.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Not sure if it’s another mod since that vid came out in ’17. My 2.0 slide doesn’t have the slide catch notch shown in the vid on the 2.0 either. This is weird.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Ok….looking at my pistol, it is an exact match for the PSA page: https://palmettostatearmory.com/s-w-m-p-shield-2-0-9mm-no-safety-black-11808.html

        Also looking at another vid from the same guy – I think he has the 2.0 full size double stack….so a little bit different. Man…it’s probably just me getting spun up before I’ve taken the time to dismantle and clean this one. I’ll go over it some more tomorrow and see if that makes a difference.

      • Gustave Lytton

        I think it’s the difference between Shield and non-shield. See a 2.0 Shield here and it sounds like what you’re describing

        https://youtu.be/HQpGxqgQ0fM

      • LCDR_Fish

        Yeah, thanks. Didn’t think to look to youtube for the inputs.

    • Sean

      Are you leaving the empty mag inserted when trying to drop the slide?

    • Not Adahn

      I have found that the teensy slide release on my Shield (and the P365) plus the stiff recoil spring makes them unusable IRL. They will technically work, but getting a proper purchase to put enough pressure on them to do so isn’t happening. Having a magazine in it makes it worse. I have to drop the magazine to drop the slide when it’s empty, or slingshot it when I’m reloading.

      • LCDR_Fish

        pretty sure the one i used at the range was an original 9mm shield – had no issues with that whatsoever – 50 rounds through it like butter and all mechanisms were smooth and easy.

      • Not Adahn

        Huh. I just figured that annoyance was a standard feature on a sub-$200 gun.

      • Tundra

        Mine works, but I’ve had it for more than 5 years. When new it was way too stiff to release.

      • LCDR_Fish

        He’s also using the full size model – I’ve got a smaller version of the Shield.

  36. The Late P Brooks

    The increase in positive cases is (mostly? entirely?) a product of the increased testing, not of increased incidence.

    That’s what I have been thinking.

    • Urthona

      what about the increase in deaths?

      • Naptown Bill

        That could be a function of testing, too. Maybe prior corona-related deaths were associated with some other cause.

      • R C Dean

        This. Excess deaths is what matters.

      • Urthona

        And what is that?

      • kinnath

        If 100,000 people die in hospitals on average during the winter season, and this winter there are 120,000 deaths, then that is 20,000 excess deaths.

        It doesn’t matter if 40,000 of those deaths tested positive for COVID-19.

      • Urthona

        But what are the numbers?

  37. kinnath

    Iowa shopping report. Sam’s club — no TP, no paper towels. Walmart — no TP, very limited supply of paper towels. Small town grocer — no TP, very limited supply of paper towels.

    Food is generally plentiful at this point, but apparently all semis carrying paper products are being hijacked before they hit the Iowa borders.

    • Naptown Bill

      If my mother-in-law hadn’t saved us by having forgotten about a bunch of toilet paper she’d bought on one of her hoarding expeditions to Sam’s Club a little while back we were going to try West Marine as a complete last resort. It would be “marine” toilet paper, which would mean it would be awful and cost twenty times what it should, but any port in a storm.

      • Suthenboy

        Convert your shower to a bidet.

        I really don’t get the toilet paper panic.

      • Naptown Bill

        The ironic thing is I’d been thinking about getting bidets for a while before all this and decided against it because I was absolutely certain that my kids would use them for, well, everything other than their intended use.

  38. DEG

    I really can’t shed a tear about this layoff

    ighty-seven part-time staff members in the city of Portsmouth were laid off on Friday due to current and anticipated lost municipal revenues as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    These workers were from the city’s Department of Public Works, library and recreation departments.

    City Manager Karen Conard said on Friday afternoon that officials are concerned about the immediate impact of lost parking revenues as well as the potential drop in commercial property values.

    Conard said she could not provide further details about how commercial property values may drop in the coming months. She said it is too early to establish any timelines for peak impact or economic recovery.

    “It would be premature to even set a timeline. We talk daily with our emergency management team and weekly as a senior staff and I’m having constant conversations with the finance director but it’s way too premature to put a time frame on this,” Conard said.

  39. The Late P Brooks

    However…if I lock the slide back, the slide release button doesn’t do anything. I have to actually handle the slide a little at the same time in order to release the slide. Tried with an empty mag a few times, but no joy. Hesitant to test with a loaded mag for obvious reasons.

    You’re locked back with an empty mag in place?

    hit the mag catch, and see if the slide releases when the mag drops. It’s probably a standard “lock slide after last round is cycled” feature.

    • DEG

      Oh… I didn’t even think about an empty magazine being in place. I assumed there wasn’t an empty magazine in the gun. Oops.

    • LCDR_Fish

      Hmmm…it didn’t release when mag dropped, but after a little more pressure, I was able to get it working now. Not sure why I couldn’t before. Seems a lot stiffer (needs a lot more pressure) than the other ones I’ve handled. Requires a little less after replacing the mag, but seems to require direct downward pressure, not from the side/down like some of them.

      Might be better once I can cycle some rounds at the range (not sure how soon that’ll happen) *sigh*….

      Thanks for the suggestion though.

      • kinnath

        Seems a lot stiffer (needs a lot more pressure) than the other ones I’ve handled.

        Watch the video I linked. The first version of the MP would automagicly release the slide when a new mag is slammed in.

        V2.0 has a new slide release design that adds friction and requires more effort to push the slide release.

      • Not Adahn

        The first version of the MP would automagicly release the slide when a new mag is slammed in.

        My CZ will do that with some magazines, it makes the reloads so much faster, I love it.

      • kinnath

        As the video notes: some people liked it; some people didn’t; some people didn’t care,

  40. The Late P Brooks

    Also- do you have any dummy rounds, to test the slide with the mag not empty?

    • LCDR_Fish

      Still haven’t picked up 9mm or 45 dummy rounds. Next time I get to the range.

  41. Suthenboy

    Another egghead telling me not to believe my lying eyes.

    Ok.

  42. The Late P Brooks

    what about the increase in deaths?

    Deaths as a direct result of the virus? I’m sure they’re out there.

    The numbers seem to be pretty opaque, as far as any direct relationship between deaths and “newly tested positive” subjects.

    Similarly, the powers what be do not seem to be in a big rush to give us a breakdown in terms of range/severity of symptoms vs dead.

  43. The Late P Brooks

    Just picked it up new from my FFL this afternoon (shipped from PSA a lot faster than expected). I’ll take it by my buddy tomorrow (he’s a lot more handy/familiar with this stuff).

    If it’s that new, It might just need a good clean and lube.

    • Rebel Scum

      a good clean and lube

      Something that can be widely applied to other things.

    • LCDR_Fish

      That might be it too.

    • Slammer

      Liberty?

  44. The Late P Brooks

    Also-

    I think people inhabit a wide spectrum of reactions to illness from, “Maybe I have an agonizing headache and I’m puking and shitting my brains out right now, but I’ll be better tomorrow so I’ll just hole up on the couch” to “Call 911, Mommy, I have a sniffle”.

    There is no reason to deny the debilitating effects of something like this, but some people are more dramatic about it than others.

    • Count Potato

      True, and it seems from those testing positive, symptoms range from nothing to turning blue.

  45. Fatty Bolger

    So a little more on the grocery traffic limitations, my kid says based on its size, his store will be allowed to have 100 customers in at a time. This is one of the busier stores in the area, and they’ve been getting 1000-2000 purchases a day between 7am and 9am. I’m sure that’s going to work out beautifully.

    Oh, and the customers waiting to get in are supposed to observe 6 foot social distancing. Not sure how that’s going to work, either. Maybe they’ll convert part of the parking lot into a Disney type line.

    You can make online orders… but they’re booked solid already for the next 8 days, and that will get even worse once people realize what’s happening.

    • Sean

      That Trader Joe’s shit show this morning really pissed me off.

      • Gustave Lytton

        The Trader Joe’s around here have made it a point to have too little store for the volume of traffic. Really biting them in the ass now. And those fuckwits are dedicating the first hour of every day to seniors and those with disabilities. Not one or two days a week, everyday.

        If anything stores should have extended hours to lessen the number of customers at any one time, but that’s the opposite of what’s going on.

      • AlmightyJB

        Yeah, I never go to Trader Joe’s because I don’t need to be stacked 3 deep behind every item in the store.

    • pistoffnick

      It about control, not safety

    • Festus

      Pathetic.

  46. Rebel Scum

    NY AG James✔
    @NewYorkStateAG

    Everyone, including the NRA, must follow the law and all executive orders of New York.

    We will aggressively defend the state against yet another legal assault by the NRA.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/nra-guns-coronavirus.html

    Go. To. Hell. You. Tyrannical. Cunte.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Just ignore that pesky Constitution among those “laws”

      • Rebel Scum

        She prefers to follow the cuntestitution.

    • AlmightyJB

      Being a Cunte is an AG job requirement.

    • leon

      Everyone, including the NRA, must follow the law and all executive orders

      Of course when they say “the law and executive orders” they mean “the dictates of a single man” and not “the law of the land”. These people don’t operate in a mindset where they themselves are beholden to the law. In their mind they are the law.

      • Invisible BEAM of the comment stream

        +1 Judge Dredd

  47. Suthenboy

    *Puts on tin foil hat*

    With caronapocalypse everywhere all of the time I have to wonder what we aren’t seeing.

    • Sean

      Joe Biden.

    • Plinker762

      It is useful for hiding the looming economic disaster coming up.

    • Festus

      Eggs and omelettes. We don’t see the Chef spitting on the food for our own good.

  48. Festus

    Got up this morning (somehow) and it was two below zero American. What the fuck, April! I always liked you and you pull this on me?

    • AlmightyJB

      It’s 67 here

      • Festus

        *Yosemite Sam voice* “I hate you!”

      • AlmightyJB

        Well I haven’t done shit outside if it makes you feel better. We were going to go for a walk but we ended up doing somerging more fun instead Am going to grill some burgers though.

      • Ted S.

        I took the dog for a walk because it was about 60 today. Actually came across a pair of mountain bikers.

      • Festus

        Did you properly dress and skin them?

      • westernsloper

        I find mtn bikers too gamey.

  49. Ownbestenemy

    Eh…turn of bad news on the father cancer front. Apparently he admitted himself early Friday morning with trouble (more than usual) breathing. He was put on a ventilator and sedated (not sure if medically induced coma). Tested for Covid-19 but wont have that back til about 3 days probably.

    My sister is a wreck and we are woefully unprepared. We dont know his end of life wishes and we have to decide if it will be a DNR or not.

    I wasnt gonna drink today because you bastards last night but looks like I want one now.

    • Festus

      Aw shit! Condolences, Own.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Thanks Festus. Apparently they need to do an emergency tracheotomy

      • hayeksplosives

        Ad my condolences, OwnBestie.

        Share the burden with your sister and remember the good times.

    • Nephilium

      Sorry to hear that man. My parents took us kids and grandkids out to dinner a couple years back and went over the basics (who they set up as responsible for what).

    • Slammer

      Sorry, man. Cancer’s a bitch. Prayers

    • AlmightyJB

      Sorry to hear that man. Cancer is an asshole.

    • Rhywun

      sorry 🙁

    • KSuellington

      Sorry about that, fuck cancer.

    • Count Potato

      So sorry 🙁

    • westernsloper

      Damn. Sorry to hear that.

    • Jarflax

      Sorry man, I pray he comes through ok.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      Sorry to hear that. A drink is warranted.

    • Tonio

      Sorry, bro.

    • Sean

      Sorry OBE.

      • Fourscore

        Sad to hear that, OBE. I can only say what the others have said.

    • Grumbletarian

      Best of luck to him and you.

    • Tundra

      Goddammit.

      Really sorry to hear it, brother.

      Prayers for you and your family.

    • Shirley Knott

      I’m so sorry. Condolences and best wishes.

    • DEG

      Sorry.

    • Tres Cool

      Sorry to hear. I lost Mama Tres to pancreatic cancer, so I know how it goes.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Thanks all. We think his wishes are in his trailer, in a bible. My sis is the only one local and my brother is imploring her to not go there.

      What a fucked up situation

      • MikeS

        Doesn’t she sorta have to? I mean, you guys need to know what he wanted, right?

      • Ownbestenemy

        Yep she is the oldest. In case people read it weird or i wasnt clear he is alive but docs need to know if they do the surgery, are they to resuscitate.

      • MikeS

        Yeah, sorry…”wants” is what I meant.

    • R C Dean

      “We have to decide if it will be a DNR or not”

      Why can’t he decide? Or has he already? Living will FTW.

      • Ownbestenemy

        He is unconscious and are relationship with his isnt the best. So we dont know what he has planned etc.

    • MikeS

      So, sorry, Own. Best wishes.

    • Ownbestenemy

      His greatest role will always be Doc Holiday

      • Festus

        He was a pretty good Jim Morrison. Even method acted that role into real life.

      • Count Potato

        He also played Elvis.

      • Nephilium

        I like you Clarence. Always have, and always will.

      • MikeS

        I’m your Huckleberry.

    • Count Potato

      “Kilmer previously dated Darryl Hannah, Cindy Crawford, Angelina Jolie and Cher. He married actress Joanne Whalley in 1988, but the two divorced in 1996.”

      I wouldn’t complain…

      • Gustave Lytton

        The Whalley breakup seems to have done a number on him.

      • MikeS

        “Kilmer previously dated some of the craziest women in Hollywood”

    • Tres Cool

      Maybe is should be “Val Kilmer admits he hasn’t had a g̶i̶r̶l̶f̶r̶i̶e̶n̶d̶ beard in 20 years: ‘The truth is I am lonely part of every day’”

    • Rebel Scum

      I liked him as Batman. His career is long and distinguished, like my johnson. Dude ain’t aging like Tom Cruise though. There are no points for second place. And that insult was cold as Ice…man.

      • Ownbestenemy

        What you did..its gotten

    • Festus

      Think I’m gonna bar the door and hide under the blankets. Ridiculous mummery!

    • Count Potato

      I’ve been making mine with masking tape.

  50. The Late P Brooks

    It takes a HERO

    Tweed Roosevelt, the great grandson of former President Theodore Roosevelt, said the captain of an aircraft carrier who was relieved from command following the ship’s struggle with a coronavirus outbreak is “a hero.”

    Capt. Brett Crozier, who led the USS Theodore Roosevelt in Guam, sent a letter that was leaked to the media pleading for permission to relieve his crew, dozens of whom tested positive for COVID-19.

    “In this era when so many seem to place expediency over honor, it is heartening that so many others are showing great courage, some even risking their lives. Theodore Roosevelt, in his time, chose the honorable course,” Tweed Roosevelt said in an op-ed in The New York Times. “Captain Crozier has done the same.”

    “Tweed”? Seriously?

    Does he have a sister named Taffeta?

    • LCDR_Fish

      After reading a few more pieces on this, I’m gonna have to side with SECNAV on this one. The CO literally bypassed his immediate boss (Carrier Strike Group Commander) whose cabin is just down the hall – to take his stuff right to the Pentagon. Not a good precedent to set at all.

      • RAHeinlein

        As I stated a few days ago, let an enlisted person pull this crap and there would be a court martial with a dishonorable. I have no sympathy for this guy – he got off soft.

      • hayeksplosives

        IKR?

        I guess future military exerciseS will be executed by a vote of soccer moms motivated by feelings.

      • Rebel Scum

        he got off soft

        I usually have to be hard for that.

    • Festus

      Who the fuck cares what this asshole says? I thought you guys fought a war or two against the idea of a monarchy. Now Sir Terwilligger Underbite has something to say and the NYT’s is eager to publish it. Fucking voted off the island. (except you, Crossword. You can stay for awhile…)

    • Gustave Lytton

      And who leaked it?

    • Frosty

      Maybe advertising that one of your nation’s biggest naval assets in the Pacific might not be combat effective wasn’t the smart play right now.

  51. KSuellington

    So back from two different markets, one the local produce mart and then Safeway. $530 poorer but I won’t have to go do that for a while (at least the Safeway part). The local produce place was fine, a few things out, but they were stocked and it wasn’t very different in there aside from the clerks wearing masks along with most customers.

    Safeway only let 50 people in at a time so there was a line outside. Took about 12 minutes to get in, but a vastly improved shopping experience from three weeks back. I got a ton of dry goods and meat to vacuum pack. The good news is that SF has banned the use of reusable bags and it is now free again to get paper or plastic bags. Ha, ha, ha! I hope that remains in effect for the rest of the year. I’ll take any good news in these craptastic times.

  52. The Late P Brooks

    After reading a few more pieces on this, I’m gonna have to side with SECNAV on this one. The CO literally bypassed his immediate boss (Carrier Strike Group Commander) whose cabin is just down the hall – to take his stuff right to the Pentagon. Not a good precedent to set at all.

    Wasn’t there also something about using a random unsecure email, as if he intended for it to be “stolen” and “leaked”?

    • Tonio

      “You mean with a cloth?”

    • LCDR_Fish

      No, I think the description in several articles referenced it being Unclassified, Sensitive, etc. Mixed terminology. Probably should have been an official message transmission using secure formats rather than a memo format given the standard military message format and regulations. Even moreso given the circumstances.

      • Not an Economist

        I think he also is in trouble for shotgunning it out to a bunch of people, not just those in his direct line of command.

  53. JD is Unemployed

    OT cat butt solicitation:

    On a recommendation I just started Midsommar and it is horribly dark.

    SPOILER ALERT:

    The main character, Dani’s bipolar sister commits suicide by gassing herself, also killing their parents as they slept. It’s graphic and miserable, and the backdrop of this is her coward beta cuck boyfriend Charlie who, when called, dismisses her concerns that something might be drastically wrong concerning her sister. He’s sitting around with his vacuous, cynical friends, who are berating him for not having the guts to tell her he wants to break up, and having a girlfriend who won’t put out. She calls back, and the most obnoxious of his friends won’t even get out of his way to excuse him to answer her call. She answers screaming in anguish. Her sister has killed herself and their parents. He goes to her but tries to sneak out to a party instead of staying with her. She awakes and decides to go with him where she learns that he has been planning a trip to Sweden with his friends at the invitation of some guy from their class who lives at some kind of Jonestown cult out in the Swedish countryside. Instead of being straight with her, we learn that beta cuck has invited her to go to Sweden but tells his friends that he has no intention that she will actually go. His friends are upset. Flash forward in grief, and Dani is on a plane with them to Sweden. They drive four hours into the countryside and proceed to do mushrooms, with the aforementioned most obnoxious prick among them, Mark, passive aggressively chiding Charlie for choosing to wait with Dani, and pressuring the agrieved Dani into doing them so Charlie can take the shrooms at the same time as his horrible friends. Of course she’s in terrible grief, in an unfamiliar country, with horrible people, at a cult commune in the middle of bowhere, so she has a bad trip and freaks out. Basically I hate everyone in this show, except Dani herself, for whom it’s natural to feel immense sympathy. She has no idea how much of a piece of shit her boyfriend is, and how nasty his friends are. I have to stop watching now because I can’t take another nutpunch for this girl and it was suggested things get kind of like the Wickerman, so I’m not really in the mood to see someone lose their entire family to a suicide-murder, get manipulated and emotionally abused by their coward boyfriend, and then murdered as a blood sacrifice to some commie hippie Gaia thing. Seriously, this is some Lars von Trier style cynical misery and beyond. I’ll just pretend that Dani comes to her senses and high tails it out of their leaving her useless boyfriend and his Houllebecqian companions to be murdered by the creepy KoolAid commies.

    I’m never taking another TV recommendation again. Who the hell would want to watch something so gut-wrenching and hellish?

    This has taken me a long time to type on my smart telephone.

    • Tonio

      (
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      (*)

      • Tonio

        Dammit.

    • Festus

      That sounds dreadful.

    • hayeksplosives

      No thanks, real life has enough drama.

    • leon

      Just as an FYI JD:

      SPOILER ALERT

      My understanding is that she ends up being manipulated, but not sacrificed. It’s here Boyfriend and his douche friends that get wickermaned.

      But i havn’t seen the movie.

    • LCDR_Fish

      Interesting. I’m not interested but that’s more from stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-Fw3P_97I (Critical Drinker)

      I do recommend the new “Color Out of Space” – heavy on some Nick Cage craziness for a couple minutes, but solid overall and not a bad adaptation (if a little faster paced) of the original story – still prefer the German indie version – free on Prime.

    • Rebel Scum

      I did not particularly care for it either. And Florence Pugh is way hotter in Fighting with My Family.

  54. RAHeinlein

    Watching the Task Force Briefing – “you say you want to save lives, but some state’s don’t have stay-at-home orders – shouldn’t you MAKE them” – “you say you want to save lives, but you talk about the cure can’t be worse than the disease, WHICH IS IT?”

    • Festus

      Uh, “Fuck Off, Slaver!” ring any bells?

    • IRBE

      The most remote location for management of this situation is at the state level. At fed level, advise and support is best. That said, I believe the shelter in place was a pragmatic solution to a problem with many unknowns. Now that the unknowns are less unknown and we have our own data, we should more have targeted in management of the spread of an infection that is not going away soon if ever.

      Logically, we should protect the most vulnerable with better measures but we should look at gradual easing up restrictions to the general public to see the impact, measure, prudently react, rinse&repeat.

      • Festus

        ^^^ SCIENCE DENIER!

      • westernsloper

        We now, (as of the 2nd) have 27 outbreaks in long term care facilities in CO. How that number keeps increasing is mind boggling to me. One would think those places would be the first to take the most stringent of protective measures. But then again they are not quick to release how they are coming up with that number and the longer this goes on the more I don’t trust any government numbers.

      • IRBE

        I consult with a company that does aseptic process manufacturing. Very secure, very strict, daily cleaning/disinfections, ect. They contract out office cleaning. Contract staff tested positive. Whole facility is shutdown for 3 weeks.

        Contract cleaning crews are cheap and efficient but not highly controlled.

        It is always the weakest link that fails.

      • Festus

        Casual contact. How many staff per patient etc? RC would know but these places have a lot of people coming and going whether it be the care staff, cleaners, maintenance… They’re basically locked in a petri dish.

    • Festus

      Our local cops are making a big show of force by driving around a lot. They’re everywhere but they’re basically doing security duty. Which is fitting.

    • leon

      The Cops have loved this “Probably Cause” for everyone outside order.

    • DEG

      we still have some freedom, some rights and liberties and we’re allowed to operate our cars. We’re allowed to go for a walk.

      HAH! Where do you think Wolf and Company get their toilet paper?

  55. Nephilium

    Well shit. Relying on take out food orders wasn’t enough for one of my locals. They’ve closed for the duration now.

    First day the bars are open, I’m taking time off of work, and going to as many of them as I can.

    • Festus

      I’d wager that by the time the locals are open that beard of yours will be “Rip Van Winkled” You might be able to crochet a nice afghan from the trimmings.

      • westernsloper

        After I checked out last night was it ever determined when Neph is starting his Death Metal band?

    • Rhywun

      Most bars around here don’t serve food. I doubt many of them will ever open again.

      • Festus

        Somebody will open a bar. Banning smoking cut the business but didn’t kill it.

      • Count Potato

        That was just stupid. No one goes to bars for their health.

      • Festus

        They lost my business. I used to play a few games of pool and have a beer or some. I haven’t set foot in a bar for over a decade. The draconian drunk-driving laws are another kettle of fish.

      • Count Potato

        That too. Eat a ripe banana and you are legally drunk.

      • Nephilium

        I’d say about 80% or so here serve food as well. I’m hoping these places can re-open. The one that closed was my wing go-to locally, with decent beer prices (and since they expanded, a solid beer selection).

      • LCDR_Fish

        My buddy had to shut down completely now – not even takeout. Says business just dropped off too much where he is. Hoping he can get an emergency loan under the new system – he pays a hell of a lot into the system already as taxes.

        I’ll go out to get some Japanese takeout from a local place in a few minutes. I think what I’m seeing the most is that the really urban places are shutting down, but not really seeing that much less traffic out in the “burbs” 10-15 miles out from downtown – shopping centers are still pretty busy if maybe 2/3 as much as normal weekend (maybe less than that) – but downtown is shutdown completely.

        Weekdays I’m still seeing a *lot* of traffic around the I-95 interchanges on VA Rte 3 – not nearly as bad as it would be on a normal weekday, but sure not empty streets like the cities.

      • Don Escaped Texas

        Is there a better use for the spaces? Some rent is better than no rent; something goes in eventually ?

        I’d think that the owners and mortgagees everywhere will take a haircut. That creates a lower cost level for whichever color knights swoop in.

        This goes back to my bargain hunting post last moth: either the government creates a bunch of winners or the markets create a bunch of bargains.

      • westernsloper

        Are they doing to-go cocktails? I guess that is a thing that took off in the “big city” near me.

      • Rhywun

        Maybe (?) but that’s not gonna save anybody if this goes on much longer.

      • MikeS

        They’re doing it in the biggish city near me, but only with a meal. I guess they’re serious about not drinking on an empty stomach. ?

  56. The Late P Brooks

    Most bars around here don’t serve food. I doubt many of them will ever open again.

    Who will survive? is going to be an interesting game. Too bad there’s nobody around to play it with.

    • Festus

      *insert gif with a sad kid trying to bounce a ball*

  57. Pine_Tree

    Interestingly, that site that was getting a lot of attention for projections still hasn’t done the promised 4-April update. They stopped doing dailies (or near dailies) on 1-April.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

    • Pine_Tree

      Oops, posted too fast. Granted, it’s only a little before 3pm in WA, where the are, but on earlier days I think they updated in the am. Maybe nothing, or maybe the programmers are like “hey, folks are paying attention to the projections so we better watch out…”

  58. Jarflax

    I made cabonara without cream tonight. Still bacon, and the cheese is parmesan romano mix because it is what I have but hey Hyp, I am getting closer to pure. It is quite tasty.

    • westernsloper

      I’m sure he will update your profile on a sticky note on the board in his bunker.

      • Festus

        That was something, wasn’t it?

  59. The Late P Brooks

    Save us, Big Nanny! You’re our only hope!

    President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner, seldom speaks to the public. Now we know why. When he stood at the White House podium on Thursday, what Americans heard was a spine-chilling performance from a believer in small government, delivered at a time when only big government can save the day.
    Of all the times to have a global pandemic, did it have to happen during the reign of an administration that wants to shrink the government to a fraction of its ability? Did it have to come under a president who has no respect for crucially relevant expertise or qualifications, who has surrounded himself with people whose principal talent is their ability to pay him public homage?
    If ever there were a time for big government, for ambitious programs, for a central role for federal authorities, it is right now. If ever there were a time for qualified people in government, it is now.

    ——-

    It is a well-documented fact that Trump populated countless government positions with people utterly unqualified for their jobs. It comes as no surprise, then, that the rollout of emergency programs is proving less than impressive. Millions of Americans have already lost their jobs just a few weeks into the pandemic, so Congress moved fast to enact trillions of dollars in relief legislation.
    Many government professionals are doing their best in an unprecedented emergency, but the early days of the rescue plan are not encouraging. Suddenly-unemployed restaurant workers with families to feed may not get the promised $1,200 check for months. Despite vows to get money in people’s pockets within two weeks, it looks like it could take up to 20 weeks — that’s about four months — to mail out all the checks.

    Small businesses wondering if help will arrive in time to avert bankruptcy saw hope when Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Thursday that emergency loans would be available starting the next day. But just as he spoke, banks said they still need guidance from the Small Business Administration before they can disburse funds.
    The programs are enormous. Perhaps the problems can be solved soon.
    But there’s no excuse for the incompetence and delays during this coronavirus crisis that have come as a direct result of Trump & Co.s’ disdain for government.
    The inescapable reality is that some challenges are so daunting that only the government can mount an effective response; some so cataclysmic than only the federal government has the muscle to do it.

    Yes, yes, of course. Only the government can mount an effective response. Stand aside, civilians. Only Super Bureaucrat! can deal with chaos on this scale.

    • westernsloper

      So the thing that will fix incompetent government is moar government. Got it!

    • Plinker762

      I dropped off my paperwork for some of that sweet government cheese.

  60. The Late P Brooks

    I magine a pro-active, efficient, transparent and trustworthy administration, coordinating the purchase, production and distributing of ventilators and protective equipment to the places where they are needed, and arranging transportation of surplus from one state to another, as the need emerges.

    Stop it, you’re killing me.

  61. The Late P Brooks

    So the thing that will fix incompetent government is moar government. Got it!

    The Right People would know what to do. We’re stuck with Satan’s imps and goblins.

  62. Private Chipperbot

    So the Mikey likes it kid is now a girl, but is still called Mikey.

    • MikeS

      Are you cereal?

  63. grrizzly

    When hospital employees are furloughed these days in the areas with few CV cases, are they getting paid by the employer?