Monday Morning Links

by | Apr 6, 2020 | Daily Links | 500 comments

::whistles beautifully::

I’m back! Thanks to those who filled in for me while I had my auction last Thursday and dealt with the aftermath on Friday.  Let’s just say it was an odd one and leave it at that for now. Oh, and one other thing about it: fuck you to all the government assholes who are wrecking entire industries at the moment…mine not as much as some, but some of my sellers sure took a hit.

“Don’t scratch it”

Anyway, there’s still no sports. But we do have some birthdays: Italian painter and builder Raphael, aviation pioneer Donald Douglas, another aviation pioneer Anthony Fokker, bluesman Big Walter Horton, British Unionist politician Ian Paisley, molecular biologist James Watson, acting legend Billy Dee Williams, country legend Merle Haggard, underrated actor Michael Rooker, musical genius Frank Black, sometimes-funny actor Paul Rudd, broody actor Zach Braff, and German hockey player Olaf Kolzig.

Right, now on to…the links!

Nobody wants to work when money is free.

Get ready to start paying more for your food. I guess we’ve incentivized unemployment more than work where you can social distance. Nice job, politicians.

Trump does something he should have done a long time ago and Dems naturally flip out. Big surprise there.

State and local government clash. Individual liberty hardest hit.

Recently unemployed sailor catches bug. I assume he’ll be the next cause celebre in the media.

Overrated

I’m sure this will be blamed on someone in Washington. And I bet that dude has orange skin.

Let’s just hope doctors aren’t prescribing aquarium cleaner. Oh that’s right, they won’t. Because nobody ever said that should be done. Oh, and that was most likely a murder anyway.

This might be of interest to a few of you. I am not interested. No offense, but I still don’t see what all the fuss is about.

I’m sure this is gonna anger the bootlickers and Karens of the world. But yes, I know this may come as a shock to those groups, but people still have lives they must live.

I’m sure this will be controversial. Sorry, haters. It’s a great song.

Now go have a good listen to it and get off to a great week, friends.

 

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  1. SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

    Trump does something he should have done a long time ago and Dems naturally flip out.

    Every single time he cans someone… Its a bit boring now.

    • JD is Unemployed

      “Tell-all” book from Michael Atkinson dropping in 3, 2, 1…

    • Festus

      Was hoping for the ass-slap girls. It was a very bad day, yesterday.

      *THIS WILL REMAIN UP FOR 10 MINUTES*
      [REDACTED]

      • straffinrun

        I only need two minutes.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        The mock-serious nods amuse me, esp. from bespectacled girl.

    • Toxteth O’Grady

      I never watched The Apprentice but I understand he was good at firing people.

  2. UnCivilServant

    people still have lives they must live.

    Are you sure?

    • sloopyinca

      Yes. Yes, I am. I even saw some of them out yesterday as I was trying to fly kites with my kids.

      • straffinrun

        Fly those kites indoors. Gramma killers.

  3. JD is Unemployed

    I think I caught local stasi recording my movements yesterday evening. I suppose going in that particular direction, in a car, when supermarkets are closed, would be a clear violation or something, but really I could just quite as easily say I was off going for exercise somewhere preferred, which the “new police powers” shouldn’t technically stop me from doing, but instead I will just suggest firmly to slavers and bootlickers that they fuck off and perhaps come back momentarily so they can fuck off again, only with more FUCK and OFF the second time.

  4. Scruffy Nerfherder

    I’m hearing otherwise liberty-minded people screaming for Trump to federalize the entire response to COVID.

    It’s depressing.

    • JD is Unemployed

      Situation here is, the government does a thing and it’s simulataneously “the govt should have done this before now”, and “the govt isn’t doing enough” and “this government is fascist so i hope they die and what they are doing is evil and if the other lefty party was in power and doing the same things I would be defending them”, because of course the government should snap into police state mode on a whim, pre-emptively (they’re always teetering on the brink of it anyway), and have pre-cognition of impending doom beyond the scope of what the best information can tell them, and also, a centralised and generalised response that destroys the economy and relies on Top Men decreeing one-size-fits-all solutions to all problems is definitely what’s needed, especially when they apparently put all their faith in China and the WHO which is what got us into this clusterFUBAR.

    • Trigger Hippie

      What’s possibly more depressing is all the calls from people who think Trump is pure evil to give the man even more power right now.

      Really think about that for a second. Not even the percieved hobgoblin of their worst nightmares holding the office is enough to deter them from wanting the office to have even more centralized authority. That’s fucking scary.

      • Festus

        ^ yep

      • Rebel Scum

        They have been doing that since day 1.

        “Drumpf is literally hitler.” and…

        “Drumpf needs to take all the guns.”

    • Suthenboy

      “otherwise liberty-minded people ”

      I have some bad news for you. You should sit down.

      • Trigger Hippie

        “You mean I’m gonna stay this color?!”

        *weeps softly*

      • Timeloose

        + 1 bologna sandwich and +1 twinky

      • sloopyinca

        Why no tuna fish salad on white bread with mayonnaise?

      • Timeloose

        you are correct. My recollection is not.

      • sloopyinca

        It happens.

        ::hands Timeloose a Tab::

  5. Scruffy Nerfherder

    But Gov. Andrew Cuomo last month said healthcare providers in the state would be using the drug in combination with the antibiotic Zithromax, or azithromycin, for some last-ditch cases, based on potentially promising research.

    I thought the idea was to use it before it got to that point so that you weren’t performing the medical equivalent of pissing on a 5-alarm fire.

    • Festus

      No, the idea is to piss on on the President. Pay attention!

    • Drake

      Is it time to start punching people who say the phrase “anecdotal evidence”?

      Peter Navarro Explodes At Fauci In Heated Showdown Over Hydroxychloroquine

      Warning – Zero Hedge.

      If the FDA and CDC had started a trial in January, I’d buy their argument. It’s April and the economy has been shutdown for weeks – fuck you and anecdotal evidence, and pass the cloriquine.

    • robc

      See my comment way below. Exactly, it should be used before things gets bad.

  6. Festus

    Wow! That is an incredible amount of lynkx. Too bad we can’t see them.

  7. straffinrun

    Got 19 views despite simply uploading it. Took me an hour to make. Gimme those sweet view counts. Today’s Trump Presser With Jim.

    • UnCivilServant

      Just the name ‘bitchute’ makes me not want to visit the site.

      I know what it is, they just picked an unfortunate name.

      • sloopyinca

        Why you gotta hate on mean women from SLC?

      • JD is Unemployed

        Mormony, mo’ problems.

      • JD is Unemployed

        (Absolutely not “Mojeaux, mo’ problems”)

      • Festus

        Funny!

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        JD, your “fishtank named Wanda” was a one-liner for the ages. Epic-gram. ?

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        *called; argh.

      • JD is Unemployed

        Haha, I’m glad you approve, Glibwife.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        Who you calling a fishwife?!

      • leon

        Wiki let’s you know that bitchute is evil:

        BitChute is a video hosting service founded in 2017. It was created to allow video uploaders to avoid content rules enforced on other platforms, such as YouTube.[2] The platform accommodates far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists;[8] with the Southern Poverty Law Center saying the site hosts “hate-fueled material”.

      • UnCivilServant

        That’s a fantastic endorsement. Hated by the wikisnobs and slandered by the notorius hate group the SPLC.

    • Festus

      Twenty now.

      • straffinrun

        Rising! (intentionally annoying video).

      • dbleagle

        21. Your video can legally drink.

  8. sloopyinca

    I wonder why that Harvard professor who got arrested hasn’t been in the news more.

    • UnCivilServant

      Someone arrested a Hahvad prof? When?

      • sloopyinca

        The chair of their chemistry department and a couple Chinese students were arrested. Apparently he was making about $50k a month compliments of the CCP. Details somewhat unknown but Snopes has already fact-checked that it can’t possibly have to do with the virus.
        Oh, he was designing a research facility in Wuhan. But the fact check definitely said he is not tied to anything nefarious at all and it’s a right-wing conspiracy.

      • sloopyinca

        Oh, and one of those students was caught trying to smuggle biological material out of the country.

      • UnCivilServant

        “Biological Material”

        Euphemism? 😉

      • Suthenboy

        Maybe it is just me but it might be time to cut those motherfucker’s water off?

      • sloopyinca

        Banjos works with some leading universities on their patent process. She says this kind of thing is rampant based on what industry insiders are saying.

    • Festus

      *scratches bald spot on head some more*

    • Swiss Servator

      Waiting for a Beer Summit.

      • Festus

        Sorry, wrong President. You’ll have to wait in line for the next one.

  9. Trigger Hippie

    ‘Pelosi called Atkinsons’ dismissal “shameful,” saying his firing will have a chilling effect against whistleblowers.’

    Whistleblowers, DNC party operatives, same diff.

    Funny how when Obama was using the fucking Espionage Act to go after political enemies she couldn’t have cared less.

    • Festus

      Trump is a fucking loon but Nancy is evil.

      • AlmightyJB

        “Nancy is evil”

        To be fair, that’s her main demographic.

  10. Brawndo

    I’ve tried explaining my viewpoint that this is a massive overreaction with several experts in epedemiology saying the same thing. Turns out the usual suspects have already labelled these people as “debunked” and “misinformed”. I’ve always known this, but this just crystallizes it: people agree with the viewpoint that makes sense to them. Ive seen a lot of bad faith actors in government and media so I don’t trust what they say (and admittedly might swing in the opposite direction of what they say just because I suspect ulterior motives to things they say might make sense). The people I’ve tried convincing KNOW that this is a BIG DEAL and we have to SHUT IT ALL DOWN because they still trust the people saying that. I’m done trying to convince people. I’m sad to say we deserve this. Sorry for the gloom. Have a good day.

    • WTF

      And when the numbers turn out to be not nearly so bad as all the gloom and doom, they will say it was only due to the hysterical overreaction.

      • sloopyinca

        “Heads we win, tails you lose.”
        -every governor

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Or. ‘Yeh we over reacted but better safe than sorry!’

        That’s when you should be allowed to slap someone.

      • Jarflax

        You know that guns are a thing right? And devices capable of converting tree chunks into chips?

      • UnCivilServant

        Those are reserved for the rebuke of public officials. I assumed Rufus was only referring to regular idiots.

      • Rebel Scum

        And/Or they will say that we should do the same shit every flu season.

    • RAHeinlein

      IHME, at the request of Dr. Birx, finally revised their models/numbers late yesterday (they had not updated since April 1). Lower numbers overall and some major positive changes for many states.

    • AlexinCT

      CON-SEN-SAUCE!

  11. straffinrun

    How much can officials curtail freedoms during the crisis? And should those calls be made at the federal, state or local level?

    Because those are your only three choices.

    • Festus

      I’ve noticed basically no push back. Leviathan is just turning over and presenting.

      • Private Chipperbot

        It’s going to happen soon, especially in cold weather states as it gets a little warmer. We finally had a nice day in MI, sun and 60 degrees. A party broke out in our sub; about 20 people drinking in the cul de sac (still keeping distance). Police came down, gave a smile and laugh. We asked who called them and he said don’t worry, we just showed up to placate them, carry on.

      • R C Dean

        “don’t worry, we just showed up to placate them, carry on.”

        Great, thanks. Now, who fucking called you here?

      • AlexinCT

        Assume any asshat in the hood that didn’t show up is suspect and might need a ass kicking.

      • Private Chipperbot

        We figured out who it was. I play hockey on the police/firefighter team (don’t hate me) and a quick text revealed the culprit. We will social distance her and have the kids TP her house this week as a sign of dominance that we don’t carry about a shortage of paper products.

      • Ozymandias

        Solid plan; Heartily approve.
        (Most of the guys in my league are firefighters; they’re generally harmless and can take a ribbing.)

      • Tundra

        Our team disbanded soon after one of our guys got his jaw broken in five places and lost ten teeth when a fucking cop lost his shit and swung his stick like a baseball bat.

        Interestingly, the local cops wouldn’t even take a report.

        Firefighters > cops

      • leon

        We will social distance her and have the kids TP her house this week as a sign of dominance that we don’t carry about a shortage of paper products

        that’s a hate crime against Snitches who are willing to call death squads on you.

  12. cyto

    Thanks for the Pixies song. Now I know that I don’t like that song.

    You learn something new every day.

    • egould310

      I’m not a Pixies fan either. There’s just something very unlikable about them.

      • Trigger Hippie

        *gasps*

        They’re in my top 10 favorite bands. Different strokes, I guess.

    • Festus

      hobbit?

      • Trigger Hippie

        Demo Bagswaddle

      • Festus

        Dem Sidesaddles.

  13. Count Potato

    I got to go get ready to go get my test. Wish me luck.

    • straffinrun

      Good luck.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Good luck getting ready.

      • Festus

        Oh yeah. Best of luck, Count! Forgot about that when I was being a cunte. Hope you and your Mom stay safe.

    • UnCivilServant

      Did you study for your CV test?

    • Tonio

      Wear pants.

      • AlexinCT

        Great advice…

    • Ted S.

      Good luck. We’re all counting on you.

      • straffinrun

        *Were

      • UnCivilServant

        He’s a Were-potato?

        Now it all makes sense!

      • AlexinCT

        Does that mean that he turns into a bag of chips during the full moon? Or that he just eats a bunch of them?

      • UnCivilServant

        No, he turns into a tuber during any non-full phase of the moon.

    • AlmightyJB

      Don’t let them tatoo CV on your forehead.

      • UnCivilServant

        Yeah, go for a resume, it is shorter and they’ll be done sooner.

    • Trigger Hippie

      Good luck, Count P.

    • Festus

      Let me guess. Because we deserve to die?

    • AlexinCT

      Men die first cause they want out of whatever torturous relationships they have been stuck in…

      That’s how it has been explained to me.

  14. straffinrun

    If they had told people that they’d be stuck inside until June when all these orders first came out, would people have accepted that? They start out with a couple weeks and then it’s a month and now it’s looking like they’ll go for as much time as they can get. Six months? A year? Bad choices all around, but the lock everybody up option for months on end seems like the obviously worst choice. They’re are throwing good money after bad.

    • Drake

      It always starts with “just the tip”.

      • Trigger Hippie

        Heh. I was just thinking that.

      • straffinrun

        My hunch is that they are lying their asses off about the mortality rate. Eventually the truth will come out, but will anybody care?

      • sloopyinca

        The “truth” that comes out will be: if we hadn’t done what we did, the death rate would have been much higher. We saved all of you. And if you question our actions, you hate America and want people to die.

      • straffinrun

        Testing of how many people had the virus (serology test?) will improve eventually and pretty much any private entity could do the math. They won’t be able to keep this lie under wraps. At least I doubt it.

      • AlexinCT

        Has that ever stopped them from spinning the story to match their agenda before? Shit, this is a lose-lose for anyone that isn’t into destroying the economy to get rid of orange man.

      • Tejicano

        I believe people have an enormous capacity for over looking a wrong when it is too ugly. Example 1 – J. Reno in Waco.

      • AlexinCT

        Example -2. Janet RENO is Chelsea Clinton’s father…

      • leon

        Oh for sure. Most people don’t want to believe ugly truths, so they just ignore them. Waco is a fantastic example of that.

      • WTF

        They absolutely will use a bunch of unfalsifiable assertions to justify their actions, and pave the way to use this same authority for ever lesser “emergencies”.

      • kbolino

        It is important to remember that this is all being done based on upon computer models. Those models had different predictions for different scenarios. We are more or less executing one of the most conservative (general not political sense) scenarios, wherein the government keeps everybody from going about their normal lives in order to minimize contact and slow the spread of the disease. We can still compare what actually is happening, and especially once this run of the virus is over, what happened, with what the models predict. So far, the models seem to be overestimating the deaths.

        Of course, one should also be wary of the same trickery that is done with global warming: retraining the model mid-scenario. Yes, data changes, and yes models should be adjusted to match real data. But then the predictions change, too, and so does the level of confidence in the policy prescriptions based on the old predictions.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        THIS

        The models need to be publicly deconstructed after all of this.

      • AlexinCT

        It sure should, but I bet it will not be done the way you want it to. When they “deconstruct” it, their effort will be to cause political damage to orange man and the US economy., not to figure out what happened and how to do better. In short, it will be a meaningless shitshow.

      • invisible finger

        It won’t matter. Breathalyzer tests have been thoroughly debunked and all that happened was the law blessed them as accurate despite being junk science.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Yeah, those models are so impressive…

        So far, only 48, or 14 percent, of the 355 available ICU beds are in use. According to IHME, the model many officials are now relying on, Minnesota is expected to need 219 ICU beds today. Oops. They were only off by 350 percent.

      • Shirley Knott

        Well, I hate America now compared to America back when.
        And I do want people to die — ever mf who ramped up the panic and enforced stupid rules for the sake of power.

        As I said a few days ago, watching civilization commit suicide is neither edifying nor entertaing.

      • AlexinCT

        It’s telling these people feel OK destroying civilization to reverse the will of the people.

    • Festus

      They are using the easiest solution. Scare the populace and make them stay at home. Whether this works in the long run remains to be seen. I’ve noticed that people are actually being nicer to each other, lately. Friendly waves and such what-not. Seems that the curve has flattened in Europe so we’re probably a week or two behind. I think this plague has been here for months.

  15. Trigger Hippie

    Frying up some taters, onions and eggs to be mixed with with my diced up leftover ribeye from last night.

    At least breakfast will be more enjoyable while I’m layed off.

    Rather be working.

    • Festus

      Layed off don’t sound so bad.

  16. Drake

    Beware The Creeps Who Enjoy Their New Pandemic Power

    The usual Schlichter stuff – The mainstream media, when it’s not otherwise engaged in covering for the bat-eating ChiComs and ignoring the credible #MeToo allegations against ole Grandpa Badfinger, is cheerleading to shut down the entire country. Of course, just because New Yorkers live on top of each other in a festering urban petri dish does not mean everyone else does, but who cares? If those urban swells have to sit tight in their crappy walk-ups watching Netflix, so do those folks out in Jesusland, damnit.

    I bet he wanted to write Granpa Bangfinger but the editors didn’t go for it.

    • Festus

      Putting that in the cache.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Adults accept risk when balancing various interests. The idea that “It’s not worth one life” is childish and stupid. We have cars. Cars kill 30K people a year. We accept that risk. What’s the proper risk balancing for the Chinese coronavirus? Well, we as citizens need to figure that out. That process is called “politics.” That’s why whenever anyone tells you that “This is no time for politics,” they really mean they don’t want you to have any input into the decision. Without politics, you have a dictatorship, and that seems to be the unspoken theme of a growing number of elected officials and others.

      Spot on

      • AlmightyJB

        The argument I’ve seen is that you can’t control “accidents”, but you can control the spread of a virus. Which is bullshit, but that’s what I’m seeing.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Of course you can control accidents. Ban cars and shut down the roads.

        You can control murder by locking everyone in a separate cell.

      • Festus

        Fuck those lying liars and the lies they like to tell. Fuck them with sharpened sticks.

      • kbolino

        It’s not wrong per se, it’s more beside the point. We have dozens of viruses circulating in the population all the time. There are always questions of trade offs. To shut down everything in the absence of better information (an absence, one should note, that can be blamed squarely on one country and one international organization in that country’s pocket) is to take the precautionary principle to absurd levels.

        Not to mention that one of the best measures to control the spread of the virus was to stop all international travel early on, and quarantine everybody returning from abroad. Compared to what we are dealing with now, that would have been a lot less of an imposition.

      • R C Dean

        It is a violation of the precautionary principle to take drastic action without first proving no one will be harmed.

      • kbolino

        Lesser harm vs. greater harm, the great conceit of negative utilitarianism.

      • R C Dean

        Use drownings, swimming pools, and recreational boating. Harder to dismiss than cars.

      • AlmightyJB

        Good point

  17. Rebel Scum

    Donald Trump does *insert action* and Dems naturally flip out. .

    • Tejicano

      …and I doubt it even matters where he inserts it!

  18. UnCivilServant

    My water filter has finally shipped.

    So I might have it this week.

    • JD is Unemployed

      I had some machine screws on order and after giving them an extra couple of days past the expected delivery, I phoned up and found out they weren’t going to be available to send me them until July. Heh. I cancelled the order. Apparently they aren’t making any shipments from their warehouse in mainland Europe to the distribution centre in the UK. I actually ended up making them myself which is a pain in the ass but when ya need ’em, ya need ’em.

      I also had some stuff on order from a different place but the tracking info I had to ask them for doesn’t yield any info, and after that they won’t even answer my email. In some small number of cases I think the Moo Goo Gai Panic is providing a convenient excuses for both suppliers and shippers who are failing their customers.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m not annoyed by the delay per se, I’m annoyed because they claimed to have them in stock when I placed the order.

      • JD is Unemployed

        Oh yeah that’s what I meant and should probably have clarified – same on both counts.

    • Not Adahn

      My blalklava has shipped, my plague doctor mask has not.

      The order from Asher’s I sent to mself has already arrived, the one I sent to frineds in Austin (ordered BEFORE the one I sent to myself) has not even shipped yet.

      • bacon-magic

        I think he’s referring to some vampirical device.

      • Not Adahn

        Whichever one you wear underneath your plague doctor mask so when some self-righteous scold thinks you’re not taking things seriously enough and you have to remove it, they can have a second conniption.

        Although, you could stuff some pastry in the beak to make things smell better. Then again, it’s getting to be wasp season.

      • UnCivilServant

        I think we need an official glibs plague doctor mask (complete with hat) as merch.

      • Not Adahn

        When the renfairs start back up, if the leatherworkers aren’t cranking them out, I will be full of disappoint.

      • kinnath

        I know people that are making them already.

      • UnCivilServant

        Do they have a storefront?

      • kinnath

        I can dig into it.

        I can’t recall if it was people making their own or making for sale.

      • UnCivilServant

        Okay, let us know what you find out. I have a bias towards patronizing people with one or two degrees of connection.

  19. AlmightyJB

    So on Ohio’s official Covid site, I found a CSV download with age ranges. Total deaths as of 2pm yesterday: 119. Under 40 – 0%, 40s – 1%, 50’s – 7%, 60’s – 19%, 70’s – 28%, 80’s – 45%. Seems like both the quarenteens and financial incentives to not work could have been better targeted.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Absolutely. I don’t know why they didn’t target the quarantines to the most vulnerable demographic while not disrupting lives. Mine is that’s for sure and I’m not happy about it at all.

      But then someone said to me, ‘yeh but what about the person who lives with an elderly parent?!’

      You can’t fricken control ’em all.

      • Festus

        It’s not about control, it’s about panic. You know this Montreal Muppet. They NEED this to happen.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        The thing is, ALL countries *need* this?

        If it were a couple of countries shutting down I’d accept it more but all of them in the West except Sweden?

        Doesn’t jive.

        Politicians will pay a price for this too (on a personal level because a good chunk of them do have normal friends and family) as there’s no way to shut it down and not hurt everyone except the uber-connected. That’s why Bill Gates can straight fuck off and die.

        You’re an idiot if you take your intellectual cues from him.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Bill Gates, the guy that might be doing the most to produce a vaccine?

      • UnCivilServant

        Vaccine development will complete after the disease has burned out. It is simply more complicated than noticing “hey, these existing medications seem to be stopping the bug in its tracks/slowing its progression/etc”.

      • AlexinCT

        People have unrealistic expectations set by watching too many stupid Hollywood movies and thinking governments will somehow be the ones to solve all problems. Reality is governments are the root of most problems and will only use the bureaucracy to make things worse. Case in point the making of the vaccines.

      • kbolino

        I can’t figure Gates out. He wants vitamin-fortified rice to become more available so fewer suffer from malnourishment and he wants to develop a vaccine for this disease. Yet any other time he’s talking about how there’s too many people and we have to reduce the population.

        Well, which is it?

      • bacon-magic

        Why not both? Maybe his vitamin-fortified rice and vaccine are trojan horses that will reduce the population. *leaves tin foil hat on because this whole world is bonkers

      • kbolino

        Maybe his vitamin-fortified rice and vaccine are trojan horses

        Yeah, there’s definitely people who seem to think that. Especially about the rice (which on its own can never be enough, humans need more nutrients that can be crammed into rice).

        It’s also possible Gates wants everyone to survive, do well, and become better off, whereupon they will reduce the population voluntarily by not reproducing as much.

      • bacon-magic

        Humans, like all life, reproduce more in good times.

      • mock-star

        Are you sure about that Bacon-Magic? There is a strong inverse correlation between birthrate and prosperity. (which way the causation lies is anyone’s guess, though.)

      • robc

        Didn’t UPitt already, maybe, come up with a vaccine, without Gates help?

        I think they might be the ones doing the most to produce a vaccine.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        The most with his own money.

      • AlmightyJB

        Well if they live with an elderly parents they can self-quarantine. Same with nursing home workers. If your over 70, stay home. Don’t answer your door, and don’t let anyone in your home without gloves.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      With very few exceptions, every hospitalization/death that has been publicized has been of people that are old and/or obese.

      GMA had some woman on their show this morning ranting about how people should stay inside because her husband had died. Dude looked to be about 60 and weighed 350 at least.

      I feel bad for them and for those younger folk who lost the lottery, but we need to get a grip and focus on the effective solutions without collapsing the economy.

      • Festus

        I’m quite sure that Wifey and I have already had the Plague.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        The other day I was strolling around the grocery store (paranoid that someone was going to tap my shoulder and say, ‘Sir, you’re taking too much time. Pick your beer and move along.’), and I called my wife to see what the kid wanted as a snack. She said, ‘A 41 year-old died! He had three kids! Come home!’

        My wife is just about as rational a human can get. We nicknamed her Spock.

        And she’s not immune to the noise and hysteria.

        I hung up and continued.

      • Festus

        Yep. I’m waiting for the roadblocks.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Sigh. That is my wife too.

        She is normally very smart and grounded, but this has unhinged her. We had a dust up this weekend because I was out of gin and planned on going to the liquor store to pick some up. She was adamant that she should be the one who should go. I think deep down she thinks I will be touching every bottle then rubbing my eyes and nose. Only she is trained enough to brave a public store in this time of crisis.

        I refused because she doesn’t drink and is cheap, so I’m pretty sure she would have come back with a pint of Phillips (cheap brand in MN).

        Eventually I just left and had to put up with the modified silent treatment* when I got back.

        *I call it the modified silent treatment, because it starts out as a standard silent treatment, but at some point she realizes that I enjoy the silence and she breaks into a harangue.

      • ChipsnSalsa

        My wife stated that we need to remember that we all rub butt cheeks together when we don’t cleanse the seat before using a toliet.

        She has her head on straight about this garbage.

      • UnCivilServant

        Well, keep the asses off the faces and you’ll be fine.

    • invisible finger

      Even those numbers are hiding a lot of important facts. Old folks in nursing homes or already in hospital are basically in NYC-style living arrangements. So how many of those folks over 60 were already in those type of living arrangements when contracting the virus?

    • Annoyed Nomad

      Have you seen the recent change for the Ohio projection on the IMHE site? We’re now only 2 days from the peak and the curve is barely a speed bump.

      • Shirley Knott

        Similar to Michigan, where we’re forecast to be 3 days out. The only shred left to induce panic is “ICU beds needed vs ICU beds available.”

      • Agent Cooper

        1900 deaths by August 4 to 544? Jeez. What a revision

  20. Rufus the Monocled

    What’s controversial about the Pixies?

    Tom Hanks will play the Navy guy who ‘gots da rona’ in a movie like he did ‘Sully’ and ‘It’s a beautiful day in da rona hood’.

    • Drake

      Captain Coughing deserved to get fired. He broadcast to the world that the most powerful warship in the China Sea was infected and could not operate. Aircraft carrier captains aren’t supposed to be drama queens.

      That shore-leave in Vietnam they granted in Vietnam was a terrible idea too (not sure if it was his idea).

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Didn’t that drama make the ship vulnerable to an attack?

      • Festus

        The more I think about it the more I agree. Fuck that cunte. Look after yourself and your ship but you need to defend the Country, first and foremost.

      • Tejicano

        I feel qualified to say this because I have already, over the course of my lifetime, signed up for 20 years of service – the one defining difference between a civilian organization and a military organization is that the civilian one puts welfare of the organization’s people before the accomplishment of the mission. In a military organization that is flipped.

        The Captain in question was saying something about this not being wartime so there was no reason to risk the welfare of his sailors. Sorry bud. Plenty of people in uniform die in peacetime fulfilling the mission. Sux, but that’s part of the program and you of all people should know it.

      • straffinrun

        Part of the deal with joining, eh? The right way? The wrong way? Who cares because you do it the Navy way.

      • Tejicano

        We were actually told “There’s a right way, a wrong way, and the Marine Corps way.”

        But really, in this case with China pushing the envelope on their own power – in a dynamic situation like this – the presence of an air craft carrier is a very important issue. If the crew isn’t coming down with this or any ailment to the degree that their effectiveness is compromised the order is “continue the mission.” That’s what we all signed up for.

      • straffinrun

        That’s the way is should and has to be.

      • AlexinCT

        When he took the oath, he agreed to protect and serve the country & constitution, not to quit when things got a bit rowdy. Shit, if a few sick people result in him questioning his command and the ability to do his mission, WTF will he do should his ship take an actual hit and require him to make shit scary decisions to keep it afloat and in the fight, huh? The fact that the incompetent politically connected douchebags like this soft-ass keep getting the promotions in the time of peace is a travesty.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Also, he was acting like people were dying in droves. Have any of the sailors actually died? Or did they just get real sick.

        On a side note, I’m listening to a podcast about piracy in the Americas and the recent episodes were about pirates operating in the Pacific getting yellow fever when they would take over a town for a while. The skeeters would feast on them and they’d lose 20% of the crew.

      • dbleagle

        Firing the captain of the TR was entirely reasonable. He commanded the ship but his boss, who commands the CAG, was right there on the same vessel. His boss at 7th Fleet was a classified email or classified phone call away. Before the captain sent out his email he had already spoken with the Secretary of the Navy who promised his ship assistance. Then the Captain decides to go around his Admirals and the SecNav and sent an unclassified email, containing classified information, to 20-30 people. The email was promptly released to the press. If one of my subordinates had tried this they would have been relieved before the Sun set. His actions were wrong for all the reasons listed above- mission first MFer.

        China has been running roughshod in the SCS the last almost two weeks. They have attacked, and in some cases sunk, multiple nations fishing fleets. Correlation does not prove causation but that has been how long the CAG has been out of place.

    • JD is Unemployed

      And reprise the title role in Captain Philips 2: Corona Cruise.

  21. Rufus the Monocled

    China: What will it take for people to view them like we viewed the Soviet Union?

    It’s asinine and retarded how people actually believe a) reported cases in China and b) that they did a great job quelling it.

    Yyyyeah…..sssssure.

    There are reports now that Taiwan warned about it in December and the WHO ignored them. It only came out a few weeks later when the commie couldn’t control it and doctors spilled the beans did the world find out. The doctors were, naturally, arrested for ‘rumourmongering’.

    In short: Both China AND the WHO lied to the world.

    Now we’ve been directly touched and hit by their lies. I can’t understand why there isn’t more outrage at these two shitheads.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      WHO is the organization that appointed Robert Mugabe as a goodwill ambassador.

      Stew on that for a second.

    • JD is Unemployed

      My understanding is that China’s influence on the WHO (which is a garbage organization anyway) did it’s best to surpress the warnings from the Taiwanese.

      • Festus

        *Ahem* Chinese Taipei

      • Tonio

        The entire UN is a garbage organization.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Justin is in love with it. To the point he sides with it more than Canada.

        And this is not hyperbole. His jerk off party always first take the internationalist position and then move from that point.

        It’s sickening.

        He’s a coward.

      • Festus

        I’d pay a million bucks just to get one shot at at that cuck. He beat that that fatty down but I’d knock him on his ass.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        That’s what I’ve been reading.

        Support this channel!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmsqeFAlSGA&t=482s

        It’s a shame the WHO-cunt is a Canadian.

        Canadian WHO epidemiologist Aylward said: If I got the virus I’d want to be treated in China.

        I’d spit in his face.

      • Shirley Knott

        A boot would be more appropriate.

      • kbolino

        Fashionable for some, profitable for others.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The ChiComs have demonstrated a high willingness to distribute funds to those who publicly support their global initiatives.

      • bacon-magic

        Which politicians thought it was a good idea to let China on trade?

      • bacon-magic

        *in

    • kbolino

      China: What will it take for people to view them like we viewed the Soviet Union?

      This is a good question because we are entering another Cold War, sadly, and people seem slow on the uptake. Don’t get me wrong, I think the PRC had a chance at going a different direction, and up until the day Xi Jinping took over things looked promising. But that day is past and we are staring down another evil empire. Much like the early days of the Soviet Union, lots of Westerners are enmeshed in, and enthralled over, the communist-fascist government of the PRC. The key difference this time around is that the PRC is a lot wealthier than the USSR ever was, never mind in its early days where it was dirt poor from the combined hits of a World War, a revolution, a civil war, and then the forced communalization of industry and agriculture; and that the United States has a very strong trade and well established relationship with the PRC, something which never came to pass with the USSR (despite the cooperation during WW2).

      The first step, I think, is to disentangle the two economies. The US (and Europe) has had the luxury of offshoring its lowest grades of work and dirtiest businesses to China. Unless and until that changes, there is a fundamental dependency that gives the PRC power over us. While the average Chinese citizen may not feel this way, Xi will weaponize any asset available to him. The second and potentially much harder step will be to disentangle the media. More than just the economy, this is the avenue through which China keeps everyone on message.

      • kbolino

        very strong and well established trade relationship*

    • Tejicano

      “they did a great job quelling it”

      Over the weekend I spoke with a friend who lives in China. That confirmed what I had heard that in Wuhan, when somebody came down with a cold/flu/corona (no way to test them all) the authorities would “restrict to quarters” everybody in the building where they lived. Food was brought daily but everybody was forced to stay in their apartments until they were no longer sick – either dead or alive. No medical assistance was provided.

  22. Sensei

    Likely paywalled:

    World Health Coronavirus Disinformation WHO’s bows to Beijing have harmed the global response to the pandemic.

    he coronavirus pandemic will offer many lessons in what to do better to save more lives and do less economic harm the next time. But there’s already one way to ensure future pandemics are less deadly: Reform or defund the World Health Organization (WHO).

    Last week Florida Senator Rick Scott called for a Congressional investigation into the United Nations agency’s “role in helping Communist China cover up information regarding the threat of the Coronavirus.” The rot at WHO goes beyond canoodling with Beijing, but that’s a good place to start.

    The coronavirus outbreak began in Wuhan, China, sometime in the autumn, perhaps as early as November. It accelerated in December. Caixin Global reported that Chinese labs had sequenced the coronavirus genome by the end of December but were ordered by Chinese officials to destroy samples and not publish their findings. On Dec. 30 Dr. Li Wenliang warned Chinese doctors about the virus, and several days later local authorities accused him of lies that “severely disturbed the social order.”

    Taiwanese officials warned WHO on Dec. 31 that they had seen evidence that the virus could be transmitted human-to-human. But the agency, bowing to Beijing, doesn’t have a normal relationship with Taiwan. On Jan. 14 WHO tweeted, “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.” The agency took another week to reverse that misinformation.

    On Jan. 22-23 a WHO emergency committee debated whether to declare Covid-19 a “public health emergency of international concern.” The virus already had spread to several countries, and making such a declaration would have better prepared the world. It should have been an easy decision, despite Beijing’s objections. Yet director-general Tedros Ghebreyesus declined and instead traveled to China.

    He finally made the declaration on Jan. 30—losing a week of precious time—and his rhetoric suggests the trip to Beijing was more about politics than public health. “The Chinese government is to be congratulated for the extraordinary measures it has taken,” he said. “I left in absolutely no doubt about China’s commitment to transparency.”

    A University of Southampton study suggests the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% had China moved to contain the virus three weeks sooner. Yet Dr. Tedros gushed that Beijing had set “a new standard for outbreak response.” He also praised the speed with which China “sequenced the genome and shared it with WHO and the world.” China didn’t do so until Jan. 12.

    On Jan. 30 Dr. Tedros also said that “WHO doesn’t recommend limiting trade and movement.” President Trump ignored the advice and announced travel restrictions on China the following day, slowing the spread of the virus. U.S. progressive elites echoed WHO and criticized Mr. Trump. WHO didn’t declare the coronavirus a pandemic until March 11.

    Not that any of this has prompted much soul-searching. Alluding to China, WHO official Michael Ryan said last week, “We need to be very careful also to not to be profiling certain parts of the world as being uncooperative.” Beijing touted the remarks, as it has other WHO statements.

    • westernsloper

      Kill it.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Karma dictates Michael Ryan contracts da rona and dies.

  23. Rebel Scum

    nearly 9 in 10 said they had stopped going to restaurants and bars.

    Well, since they are all closed except for takeout/delivery…

    • Nephilium

      Some are closing for everything. Apparently the paltry amount of take out orders wasn’t worth staying open. A lot of the places now are really pushing gift card sales as well, as it’s a way to get them a cash influx now.

      • ChipsnSalsa

        Golf course are doing that, massive sales and possibly playing this summer.

  24. westernsloper

    Maybe it is just me but I am not cooking with anything I find tacked to a telephone pole in San Francisco.

  25. Tonio

    For the first time in weeks my local newspaper doesn’t have daily infection and death totals at the top of the page. I’m wondering if this is indicative of flattening, or whether they were getting grief for running it like a sports score.

    • leon

      I get that it’s harder in New York? But I check the data everyday for here. 8 deaths In Utah. That seems so marginal to have such a huge freakout over.

      • UnCivilServant

        “But Leeeeeeon, all the cool governers are getting their jackboot on!”

      • leon

        I know governor Herbert had caught some shit for not mandating the state be closed.

      • UnCivilServant

        A principled governer in that circumstance would go “A shutdown at this time would kill more people than it could protect.”

      • WTF

        BUT WITHOUT THE HUGE FREAKOUT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN 80 BAZILLION DEATHS!!!11!!!

  26. robc

    HCQ+z pack as a last ditch effort may be too late, at least based on that disappearing article someone posted yesterday.

    • Drake

      Why would they wait for a “last ditch effort” when it’s been shown to work better in the early stages?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Because it’s “anecdotal”

        Outside of shortage issues, it’s stupid. The treatment is very low risk in people who don’t have heart issues.

        If they’ve got a fever, give them the drugs and send them home.

      • LJW

        The media is hell bent on making sure this drug doesn’t get good coverage. Anything they can do to make Trump look bad.

      • kbolino

        This is such a telling experience. If this were Obama things would have played out so differently in the media.

    • UnCivilServant

      They have to prove it doesn’t work. So of course they’re using it wrong.

      • Drake

        Looks like that’s what they did in the Swedish study – gave people way too high a dose which had nasty side effects. Terminated the study and forgot to mention that they did in fact cure the commie cough.

      • invisible finger

        Holy shit. The typical dose as an anti-malarial is 200mg a WEEK! For active patients the typical dose is 200mg a day for 5 days or less, with possibly 400mg the first day.

  27. PieInTheSky

    I found Taleb more amusing in the past, but these days he seems to be a one hobby-horse Phoenician

    • leon

      Could I venture that it might be because his one principle to die on “the precautionary principle” only seems reasonable during good times, and not during a crisis? And so he is seeing it be rejected.

      • PieInTheSky

        No. Quite the opposite. He never felt so validated. If “the precautionary principle” were followed we would not be in this mess.

      • kbolino

        I think that is removing agency from the enforcers of the current situation. We are in universal semi-quarantine by the choice of political leaders, not the disease.

      • kbolino

        (in other words, although we could have done more, or done things differently, earlier on, the current state of affairs is not beyond questioning)

      • PieInTheSky

        I am, not sure what you mean by this

      • kbolino

        To the limited extent I understand the argument, it goes that: if we had been more cautious earlier, we would not have to be so drastic now. I am saying we don’t have to be so drastic now, regardless of what we had done or not done earlier.

      • PieInTheSky

        well that is a minority opinion as such does not affect Talebs smugness

      • leon

        I guess that’s one way to avoid the discussion that being overly risk adverse in a crisis seems to spell trouble. For example, the precautionary principle would forbid any speeding up of the process of gettng new drugs for this done by cutting regulatory corners.

      • PieInTheSky

        . For example, the precautionary principle would forbid any speeding up of the process of getting new drugs for this done by cutting regulatory corners. – not according to Taleb. New drugs are not an existential risk, the pandemic is.

      • R C Dean

        Oh, so now the PP is only for existential risks? The goalposts, they move.

      • PieInTheSky

        For Taleb at least it was always like this. His main thing before wu flu was the anti-gmo beat

      • leon

        Ok, how are we defining “Existential risk”? The CV had No chance of killing off humanity. So it is not an existential risk. After that you are just weighing lives against one another. You have no clue if the drug will end up killing more people than Corona or not.

      • PieInTheSky

        I am not fully sure I understand where Taleb draws the line.

      • R C Dean

        The PP also forbids shutting down entire economic sectors and issuing mass house arrest orders.

      • PieInTheSky

        Depends. Maybe not.

      • PieInTheSky

        Then again with a probably under 1% true fatality rate, I would not count this as existential risk for humanity.

  28. Rufus the Monocled

    About that six in 10 on the road thing.

    My neighbours don’t go out. They even stopped their morning routine of going to get McDonald’s coffee.

    BUT.

    They tend to hand out with their daughter and her boyfriend a lot – who are still always on the go. Maybe I’m wrong, but isn’t the point of self-isolation is to, you know, not see anyone for now?

    Humans are gonna human.

    I don’t think there’s danger in what they’re doing but it does point to the contradictions and hypocrisy at play. Then we get a ‘snitch culture’ and curfews out of it.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      hang

  29. Hyperion

    Just in case this has already been posted, and/or you already have not read it… Don’t read it! YOU ARE TO PANIC! DOOMED! ELEVENTYLEVENTYLEVE11111!!!!!!!!

    Be Frightened Little Sheeples

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Good article, I’m not a big fan of Bennett but he’s right here.

      • Festus

        I dig your evil Porky avatar.

      • bacon-magic

        Good pork is hard to find.

      • Hyperion

        “This is what happens when sanity is at discount and hysteria reigns supreme.”

        Sounds like a socialist’s dream come true. Is Bernie in his bunk with this miracle ED cure?

    • Drake

      Maybe reality is getting too hard to ignore.

    • UnCivilServant

      But if you share them on discord, the chinese will know to pay attention!

    • Festus

      Gah! So early…

      • Trigger Hippie

        I’m just disappointed that the evening links on the weekends are going to be dead for the foreseeable future.

      • Q Continuum

        #metoo. I’m way too antisocial to participate in even a pseudo-meatspace meetup.

      • Tejicano

        Doesn’t work for me even if I was interested. I’ve got two school age kids who need help with their lessons and snacks and Nintendo to manage…

  30. Pine_Tree

    In the astrology thread the other day, I went on record that Georgia peaked last Tuesday night / Wednesday morning. And simultaneously noted that the IHME model updates all failed to post their promised Saturday update. My assumption was that the programmers had noted that the real data was blowing them up.

    Well, IHME updated sometime late last night. As of this morning, their “actual” deaths for GA tracked the GA DPH numbers closely (exact on most days, but moving 3 off of the peak to the preceding day), until Saturday the 4th. For that day, GA reported 17, and IHME’s model is using 45. To get to 45, they’d have to use Saturday, add Sunday, add the first half of Monday (reported 7pm Sunday evening) and add 10 more.

    Unless we find out today that GA missed some over the weekend and catches up today, this is in-your-face evidence that they’re faking the models to drive desired outcomes.

    And hilariously, if you look at death projections for 3 days out, the projection is 63, but the error band is (15-197).

  31. Rebel Scum

    It’s the little tyrannies that matter.

    San Diego Sheriff✔
    @SDSheriff

    Everyone is required to stay home except to get food, care for a relative or friend, get necessary health care, or go to an essential job. 22 people were cited near the beach in @EncinitasGov. Complacency is the enemy. Take #socialdistancing more seriously to stop #coronavirus.

    • UnCivilServant

      We need to perform a citizen’s arrest of any sheriff acting this way, perp walk them and their deputies to the public square to be tried for their abuse of office.

      Throw in any prosecutors or judges who didn’t slap them around for it.

      • leon

        But Judges gave themsleves and their lawyer friends absolute immunity.

      • UnCivilServant

        Shame they think that.

        There is no immunity, just us.

  32. kinnath

    The gas crises happened, and the government imposed a national 55 mph speed limit. Traffic deaths dropped sharply. It took decades to return speed limits to sensible values, because of “people will die”.

    This lock down will almost certainly result in a sharp drop in traffic deaths. So look for extensions of the lock down to be based on more than “we stopped the virus”.

    • Nephilium

      I’m just waiting for the lockdowns to be tossed around as a suggestion for every flu season going forward.

      • Festus

        This feels like a test run. I’m not much for tin foil but come on.

      • Private Chipperbot

        There was an editorial over the weekend that demanded we move to year round schooling so the next time we shut down, kids won’t have the entire year cancelled.

      • UnCivilServant

        We should close the schools to shut down that disease vector and make the parents responsible for their children.

    • Private Chipperbot
  33. robc

    38 states under the 10% threshhold yesterday, as it was a Sunday, I will hold off on rejoicing until tomorrow. May just be lack of Sunday testing. Previous record was 15.

    • Pine_Tree

      What tracker are you watching? Would be interested to see it. I’m comparing GA DPH to the IHME ones (see my post at #36 above).

      • robc

        worldometer. I just look at new cases vs total cases and have been counting states that were under 10%. Up until a week ago it was 3-4 states per day and not any patterns. Last week it started rising.

      • Pine_Tree

        Thx. For GA it’s using the updated numbers that came from DPH at 7pm last night, just for the record.

  34. Rebel Scum

    DOOM

    “Well, it’s tragically fitting that we’re talking at the beginning of Holy Week because this is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans’ lives, quite frankly,” Adams told “Fox News Sunday,” comparing it to historic national tragedies. “This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11 moment, only it’s not going to be localized. It’s going to be happening all over the country. And I want America to understand that.”

    Adams then explained that despite what has happened in China and Italy, American individuals and government officials “have a power to change the trajectory of this epidemic.” He pointed to how an aggressive response can mean that an end could be in sight in the coming weeks.

    “And so, I want Americans to understand that, as hard as this week is going to be, there is a light at the end of the tunnel if everyone does their part for the next 30 days,” he said, referring specifically to Washington and California, which have seen improvements.

    • Festus

      O fuck him with a barbed wire fence.

    • kbolino

      If this is Pearl Harbor, when do we declare war on the PRC and start sinking their ships?

      • kbolino

        (despite my comments above, this was a joke meant to illustrate the hyperbole of the comparison; I’m not interested in starting World War 3)

    • Tejicano

      “… going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans’ lives…”

      So most Americans will be affected directly? Hyperbole much?

  35. Tundra

    Good morning and welcome back, Sloopy!

    I’m glad you were able to hold the auction but sorry that everyone had to take a haircut. Too bad you’re a small business owner and not a big bank, eh?

    The question of shut-down authority is a good one. I’m not clear at all that our governor has the legal right to do what he’s done. Granted, our ‘nonessential’ businesses are relatively few, but it doesn’t matter. In my view, not one single business in this country is nonessential. That’s retarded.

    Not a controversial choice at all. It’s a brilliant song. Just like this one. Timely, too!

    Make it a great day, y’all!

    • Nephilium

      I think the authority issue here is why the orders are coming from Dr. Acton, and not DeWine.

    • kbolino

      Don’t worry, I’m sure your state legislature will retroactively make whatever he did legal, to the extent they even feel it necessary to maintain the pretense of separation of powers.

    • Rhywun

      Every state probably has some sort of “disaster” legislation dating from the last century that allows them to do this. ?‍♂️

      • leon

        Oh for sure. Everyone forgets that the states were The government for a long time and all the laws they wrote are still on the books.

      • mock-star

        Wouldnt the 14th amendment preclude the states from, say, removing the right to peaceably assemble or to put everyone under house arrest with no due process?

      • UnCivilServant

        Only if you believe the constitution means what it says.

  36. The Late P Brooks

    Yesterday afternoon, the weather was decent. Not fabulous, but decent. I went to the grocery store and then took a little cruise. There was a surprising number of vehicles and boat trailers at the river access spots I passed. Also people out fishing. The walls are crumbling.

  37. Rebel Scum

    Ok, now I’m taking this seriously.

    “Our cats were infected by a person caring for them who was asymptomatically infected with the virus or before that person developed symptoms,” the press release stated. “Appropriate preventive measures are now in place for all staff who are caring for them, and the other cats in our four WCS zoos, to prevent further exposure of any other of our zoo cats.”

    “It’s the first time, to our knowledge, that a [wild] animal has gotten sick from COVID-19 from a person,” Paul Calle, chief veterinarian for the Bronx Zoo, told National Geographic.

    Time to quarantine with my cats.

  38. leon

    So i was looking at the recalculated projections for Utah: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

    Previously we were going to be possibly overcapacity on Hospital beds, and definitely on ventilators. But now we aren’t even close on hospital beds. So i guess we should be allowed to go back to our normal lives now? As it always seems to be with the “scientisim” crowd, i’m guessing the answer is that i’m denying science because of something or other.

  39. The Late P Brooks

    The question of shut-down authority is a good one. I’m not clear at all that our governor has the legal right to do what he’s done.

    Hell, before our governor got involved, it was pissant county “Health Officers” shutting down private businesses on their own “authority”. If I owned a restaurant, I’d lawyer up and seek to drive those pompous fucks into penury. I don’t believe the governor has that sort of authority, and I sure as Hell don’t think some random county functionary does.

    • kbolino

      There was already one test case to that effect, and the judge almost laughed it out of court. This is AN EMERGENCY and so of course the government can do whatever it wants whatever it can come up with a plausible justification for.

  40. PieInTheSky

    Some bad phase 4 ideas below.

    Here’s what I would do:

    *Massively increase PPP, cover larger firms, work better with UI/STC

    *Aid to state/local govt incl picking up lot more UI costs.

    *Subsidize emp health ins for those on layoffs.

    *Fund testing,tracing & vaccine dev.

    https://twitter.com/arindube/status/1246943265800294406

    I wonder if this is what this guy would do if there was no crisis

    • leon

      What is the big deal with User Interfaces?

      • PieInTheSky

        I am not sure what UI is but assume Unemployment Insurance. PPP no idea may be that paycheck protection program thing I read here in some comments about but did not bother googling to know what it is

    • kbolino

      The fact that the rest of the world is going through this at the same time helps a little bit, but if there is no productive activity putting real value into those dollars, this is just going to create massive inflation. Even if everybody maintains pretenses through the epidemic, once the realization hits at the end, all that perceived value will evaporate.

    • Nephilium

      But on a cultural level, will more Japanese people just obey the orders, or will they decide that going to the office is more important? And what happens if the office is closed down?

      • straffinrun

        The former. The vast, vast majority will follow the guidelines. As for the companies, my guess is that they’ll basically do the same. It really is an interesting phenomenon to watch: Japanese people, who love to congregate (it’s almost a necessity for many of them) vs govt policy (which they follow religiously) telling them not to. But, as I said, they most likely will fall in line behind govt policy.

    • R C Dean

      Who would have thought Japan would be a beacon of libertarianism?

      • leon

        Now you’ve lit the Winston Signal….

      • straffinrun

        Once you have the antibodies to imperial fascism, you build up and immunity.

    • PieInTheSky

      Stock up on lasagna and not-quite-beer just in case

      • straffinrun

        Ha! Lemme know if you need some good cup ramen. I got da good stuff in my stockpile.

      • PieInTheSky

        I made soba noodles recently but mostly treated them like spaghetti.

      • straffinrun

        That disturbs me more than you know.

      • Nephilium

        Does it hurt more then looking at what passes for pizza over in Asia?

      • straffinrun

        You can avoid the bad pizzas. They make some good, Italian style zas here. The thing I miss and have never found a suitable substitute for are Philly cheese steak sammiches. Make them myself, but they just aren’t the same.

      • Nephilium

        Wit wiz, or witout wiz? I’m on the provolone side of the argument.

        Alton Brown had a recipe for cheesesteaks, but the hardest part is getting the thin slices of beef with most kitchen knives.

      • straffinrun

        Seriously, if someone would put up an easy to make cheese steak sammich recipe, I’d be grateful. I could google one, but I’d like to see the comment section here take on the details.

      • UnCivilServant

        Cook the onions and peppers in pan.

        Add shaved beef.

        Beef will cook quickly, so throw cheese in immediately.

        As soon as cheese melts, put on roll.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        Wit wiz, or witout wiz? I’m on the provolone side of the argument.

        Alton Brown had a recipe for cheesesteaks, but the hardest part is getting the thin slices of beef with most kitchen knives.

        I prefer provolone too. I can get 95% of the way to the thin slices by freezing the beef for an hour or two and then running it through a food processor. It takes a while to clean the damn thing afterwards though so I usually just slice by hand.

      • straffinrun

        That’s basically what I do, UCS. I don’t know what some of the shops are doing in the states, but something is different. The au jus alone is drinkable at some places.

      • PieInTheSky

        basically boiled according to package, mixed with soy sauce and sprinkled some sesame seeds, On the side I stir fried some shrimp and asparagus which I marinated a bit in ponzu (to be asian like ) and garlic and some sambal oelek (to give it some spice and be extra asian)

      • straffinrun

        You boiled your soba?

      • straffinrun

        Here. Make Yakisoba. It’s much better. I made this for dinner tonight, but I added some green peppers instead of onions. Yummy.

      • Sensei

        I think pickled ginger is a requirement for yakisoba.

      • PieInTheSky

        what the hell else am I supposed to do with them? they noodles aint they

      • PieInTheSky

        well the noodles in that youtube seem soft like they are preboiled or fresh or something. Mine come like sticks out of the package.

      • straffinrun

        Saute the onions, green peppers, negi and the meat. 6 minutes tops. Then add the noodles and splash with water. Stir all together. It’s easy. Add spices how you like.

      • straffinrun

        Yeah, those are for regular soba. It’s kind of bland for Western people in general. Me too. At least throw some tempura in for taste. Same with udon.

      • PieInTheSky

        well does that work with fully dry noodles?

      • straffinrun

        I’d imagine you could. We get our noodles fresh from the noodle man in our neighborhood. Try it. Boil them and then drain and make like the video. I’m totally guessing, though.

      • Not Adahn

        Yeah the soba I find here are dry, and square in cross-section, like they’ve been cut instead of extruded.

      • straffinrun

        Good? If so, I’m not one to judge. Half my cooking is hybrid insanity.

      • PieInTheSky

        It was rather tasty

      • Sensei

        So much for Pie’s long life. OTH, vampires are immortal.

      • Gustave Lytton

        But did he use ketchup for the sauce?

  41. The Late P Brooks

    Good article, I’m not a big fan of Bennett but he’s right here.

    #METOO

    • Pope Jimbo

      There are grouse about, Lynx observes on our second day together. She proposes that we go for a hike so she can shoot one for our supper. Barring that, we could aim to dine on wild turkey, which she’s also spotted strutting around the creek banks and the woods. We ready ourselves in the fading afternoon. The sun is quick to slide behind the mountain slopes, and the surrounding forest throws shadows through the growing chill. Lynx takes an appraising look at the rifle she’s been cleaning and then glances at my camera. “Better to take the bow?” she asks. We agree it’s certainly the more primitive option. And besides, the swift hush of an arrow is less likely to scare off the flocks we’d like to eat.

      Ummmm….. Rifle? 200K years ago?

      Earlier in the article, she was tending the stove in her cabin. I forgot exactly which cave in France they found that metal stove in…

    • Pope Jimbo

      Uffda. This got me revved up:

      Homo sapiens—that is, anatomically modern humans—have been around for 200,000 years. But it wasn’t until the advent of farming during the Neolithic revolution about 12,000 years ago that history became interesting and human lives became more prosperous and safe. Or at least that was the widely accepted narrative, before scholars began marshaling new evidence to suggest that the Stone Age wasn’t actually so bad. Pulitzer Prize–winning geographer Jared Diamond has called the adoption of agriculture and mankind’s resulting sedentism “a catastrophe from which we have never recovered.” Yuval Noah Harari, in his bestselling book Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, snubs the shift to large-scale cultivation as “history’s biggest fraud.” He argues that hunter-gatherers, far from trudging through a state of Hobbesian misery, likely enjoyed easier, longer, and more egalitarian lives than their domesticated descendants.

      Personally, I’d rather be a hunter gatherer too (as opposed to some semi-enslaved dirt farmer), but I’m not going to pretend that that life was peaches and cream all the time.

  42. The Late P Brooks

    The fact that the rest of the world is going through this at the same time helps a little bit, but if there is no productive activity putting real value into those dollars, this is just going to create massive inflation. Even if everybody maintains pretenses through the epidemic, once the realization hits at the end, all that perceived value will evaporate.

    Production is falling, even as the money supply is being massively expanded.

  43. PieInTheSky

    I was in the “it’s just a bad flu” camp.

    Then it hit my hospital.

    I have NEVER seen chest X-rays/CT scans like I’m seeing now.

    I’ve never seen a Flu+ patient with imaging studies like this.

    I’m seeing them DAILY.

    https://twitter.com/MedicinePrimal/status/1246420458460844033

    • kbolino

      Uh, good for you?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Needs more CAPS for me to take him seriously.

      We’ve become a nation of teenage girls.

      • AlexinCT

        Teenage girls have more gumption than this bunch of feckless douchebags.

  44. The Late P Brooks

    There was already one test case to that effect, and the judge almost laughed it out of court. This is AN EMERGENCY and so of course the government can do whatever it wants whatever it can come up with a plausible justification for.

    How… unexpected.

  45. The Late P Brooks

    I was in the “it’s just a bad flu” camp.

    Then it hit my hospital.

    What are you complaining about? I thought you became a doctor to heal the sick? Here’s your time to shine.

  46. Not Adahn

    Sean,

    Re: your 10mm hunt, I’ve never fired one, but I’ve heard good things about the Tanfoglio Witness. You can get it full-sized, compact, steel or polymer. I saw a couple on Gunbroker with a buy now price of $560.

    • Timeloose

      I have one (Tanfoglio) in 45ACP and it is my favorite pistol besides my CZ75. Same frame and slide as the 10mm. There is one for sale at my local store used.

      • Timeloose

        go with the steel not polymer. I had a polymer 9mm and it was cheap and shot like it.

      • Chipwooder

        The full-sized Witness can be converted between .22, 9mm, 10mm, 38 Super, and .45 ACP. I’ve never done any of that but it’s rather cool that I could if I wanted to.

        As the Witness is a clone of the CZ-75, it’s not surprising that you like them both.

    • Tejicano

      The 10mm Witness is a fabulous pistol. Its envelope is about halfway between a 1911 and a hi-power. That’s saying a lot for a real major caliber. If you compare it to the Bren Ten (a truly iconic pistol which sells for thousands if you can find one) you would be hard pressed to explain any differences – basically the same design and function in the same caliber.

      I bought four of them – full size, steel frame – when I heard a local shop was getting a shipment of them.

      • Tejicano

        (cont’d)

        In case you didn’t know, the Bren Ten is the first pistol chambered in 10mm – no other 10mm handgun was available for years. It was the gun carried by Sonny Crockett in the TV series “Miami Vice”.

        I have seven pistols in 10mm – a Glock 20, a Sig P-220, four Witnesses, and an early Para-Ordnance which I am converting to 10mm. I like the round that much.

      • Sean

        How is it in the P220?

      • Tejicano

        It’s a Sig – it’s beautiful. It’s expensive.

        I bought it mostly because I’d always wanted to own a Sig but held out until they made a 10mm.

        Truthfully, I have not been back in the US enough since I bought it to shoot it enough to have a good opinion about it. I was supposed to be there right now, but Corona. Bleah.

    • Sean

      I saw them. They’re definitely a contender.

    • Not Adahn

      Like Cleveland Browns pallbearers?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Welcome to the front lines of medicine.

      It’s almost as dangerous as construction… oh wait…

  47. AlexinCT

    A couple of fat chicks are mad that COVID-19 hates fatties.

    In case you were wondering what these two teach at their university…

    Darci Thoune, author of “Am I Fat” in the International Fat Studies Handbook, recently published a blog post on the website twofatprofessors.com. The piece titled “Diet Culture at the End of the World” outlines Thoune’s opinion regarding “weight gain during the Covid-19 crisis.”

    Thoune’s colleague Laurie Stoll who earned her doctorate in sociology with a concentration in women’s and gender studies, is the second one of the “Two Fat Professors.” She published the most viewed blog post on the site which is titled, “I See You, Fat Grrl: Fat Pride and Fat Visibility.”

    Emphasis mine.

    If anything, one could be forgiven for wishing something like this COVID-19 that targeted stupid people primarily would be a boon for humanity knowing people like this suck up resources. I am not wishing harm on anyone: just pointing out that these stupid first world problems could only exist because better people managed to create an enormous amount of wealth and an abundance in food that allowed people to degenerate into useless consumers that only drag the whole down.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Reminds me of the disclaimer on the NYC data page that transgender and some other category aren’t represented because the numbers are too low. Not that a virus doesn’t give a shit how you identify and cares more about physical reality.

      • UnCivilServant

        Do you think Wuhan will kill more people than the number of actual dismorphics?

      • Naptown Bill

        Wait, so you’re saying that your feelings don’t affect whether or not a virus infects you or how bad the ensuing illness is?

      • AlexinCT

        I am constantly asking libs why they don’t put out the numbers for the other 52 genders other than male & female when talking infections vs. deaths. You should see the glares. One of these morons told me that this was not the time to be cracking these sorts of jokes, to which I replied that she had just admitted this whole “there are scores of different genders out there and shitlords needed to accept that” was all fucking a waste of time, leaving her to accuse me of being evil for using logic & facts in a time of troubles to point out these people were playing us all back when they thought it was safe to fuck around with reality.

    • Tres Cool

      For me, the “International Fat Studies Handbook” is just an owner’s manual.

      • bacon-magic

        I get my recipes from there.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Lunatic doesn’t accept reality. Film at eleven.

      • Q Continuum

        Which would ordinarily be fine by me; however, these lunatics are paid with public funds and are in a position to influence idiotic teenagers.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        If we’re lucky, the economic depression will put a lot of these morons out of work.

      • AlexinCT

        Funny you say that, because I have noticed that a lot of people that lived in La-la-land suddenly have stopped touting all that crazy shit they demanded everyone bow to because they now are worried this life & death stuff. This proves that they damned well know what they were doing was inventing first world problems (meaningless shit that provided zero or negative returns) and that they are not willing to put themselves at risk for those idiotic ideas (just other people). However, while many people will show that what they were doing was stupid, I expect a lot of them will go right back to peddling that stupid as soon as the all clear sign is given, and they will double down on peddling it then to catch up. Not enough people will see this shit was all smoke & mirrors and back off.

    • straffinrun

      “I’m going to be blunt, we are living in traumatizing times. Your trauma is real. You do not need to suck it up. We need to seek solace and comfort where we can, and for some folx that solace and comfort will be in food. AND, THIS IS OKAY,” writes Thoune.

      A couple of fot folxers, aren’t they?

    • KSuellington

      “I See You, Fat Grrl: Fat Pride and Fat Visibility.”

      You’re blocking my view of the hot chick in yoga pants fattie. How about moving out the fecking way?

      • Ozymandias

        SPANDEX IS A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT!

    • Tejicano

      What the wolf has been denied for about 5,000 to 10,000 years the virus will make up for.

  48. The Late P Brooks

    You can’t be a scientist unless you agree with us

    White House trade adviser Peter Navarro on Monday said he was qualified to engage and disagree with Dr. Anthony Fauci on the use of an anti-malarial drug as a coronavirus treatment — which is not yet proven as effective — saying, “I’m a social scientist.”

    “Doctors disagree about things all the time. My qualifications in terms of looking at the science is that I’m a social scientist,” he told CNN’s John Berman on “New Day.” “I have a Ph.D. And I understand how to read statistical studies, whether it’s in medicine, the law, economics or whatever.”

    Navarro’s remarks follow reports that he clashed with officials in the Situation Room over the weekend about the unproven efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in treating coronavirus. While the task force was discussing the latest on the anti-malaria drug, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, who has urged caution around the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

    Navarro had brought a stack of paperwork about the drug with him into the room, arguing it was proof that it could work to treat coronavirus, which Fauci disagreed with because it was not data

    “It’s not data until it says what we want it to!”

    Also, I guess this means CNN will cease bringing social scientists on their shows to hector us about our many and varied deficiencies.

    • invisible finger

      I think part of the problem is that a patient on a ventilator can’t consent to a novel use of the drug. If a patient hasn’t assigned medical power of attorney to someone else that isn’t panic-stricken, the doc can’t do something that isn’t FDA approved. An over-regulated and extremely-litigious society have the chilling effect they were meant to have.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        The rules for consent are bent for unconscious patients in life-threatening emergencies. At least, I’ve worked with ER docs who were able to run a trial using unconscious gunshot patients without needing consent.

      • robc

        At that point, it is probably too late to use HCQ anyway. For maximum benefit, you need to use it as soon as possible after symptoms begin.

    • Q Continuum

      WTF is with all these assholes having such a hard-on for chloroquine? Is it just because Trump promoted it and it might work so they need to OWN DRUMPF by repudiating it?

      • Rebel Scum

        Seconded.

      • AlexinCT

        More than that: they are banking on this horrible event destroying the economy and thus helping them get Trump out of power in November.

        Anything that might jeopardize that goal will be resisted.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Doctors and media both have a distrust of the public at large. Doctors because they actually deal with a crazy subset of the human race on a fairly frequent basis, and media because they’re just deluded assholes.

      • Sensei

        It’s potential usage didn’t come from the top down, but more bottom up approach.

        It’s the antithesis to their worldview and must be repudiated at all costs.

      • mrfamous

        Believe it or not, I think it has less to do with Trump and more to do with simply “being right.” In the age of social media, people are addicted to validation and the simplest form of validation is vindication, IE “I was right!” No one ever wants to be wrong, so they’re going to do everything in their power to prevent that from happening.

        It may initially have been about Trump as to why they argued what they argued, but now it’s just about being right.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        This. Social media feeds our worst tribal impulses.

  49. AlmightyJB

    So I posted over weekend that this site was projecting 1900 total CV deaths in Ohio which was several hundred less than our 2017 flue season. Today the same site is now projecting only 544 total deaths from CV for Ohio. Not even close to utilizing full resources. DeWine should end the draconian measures he put in place TODAY.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

    • Private Chipperbot

      Good luck, citizen. We’ll see you in September. When we get the flare up, we’ll close back down until…well, don’t worry about that.

    • Annoyed Nomad

      We were both posting about that site at the same time (I replied to your #22 comment). I haven’t found any commentary on the interwebs about the drastic change in the projection.

      • Urthona

        I have. I see is discussed constantly. There’s an article on conservative web site the daily wire this morning.

        The one that makes my jaw drop though? This. https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/white-houses-coronavirus-model-has-overestimated-tens-thousands

        According to this the measured hospital rate so far is only 6%. Meaning the icu rate is smaller than that. Meaning the whole “we need to lock down the country” idea needs to be seriously questioned.

      • straffinrun

        Notably, the model touts its predictions as occurring under “full social distancing” through May of this year, meaning the projected hospitalizations are meant to occur even with significant quarantine measures.

        And that excuse just flew out the window.

      • AlmightyJB

        CNN hardest hit! Outraged Americans aren’t doing their part to unseat orange man by dying in droves.

      • Chafed

        Yup. See my comment below.

    • Urthona

      The site, which is basically the government modeL, shaved off another 10,000 deaths yesterday. That would make it 80,000 total. Just a but more severe than the 2017 flu season.

      • Chafed

        This is infuriating. Does it mean social distancing has worked better than expected or that the estimates were always inflated?

      • Pope Jimbo

        It means that individual freedom and liberty is a vector for the spread of this virus!

      • AlexinCT

        When this all plays out and people find out that the economy was crippled using panic tactics, and yes, to fuck us over and take away our liberties, I am worried that somewhere in the future when something real bad comes along nobody will go along with anything they propose to prevent it…

        Crying wolf for political profit is going to have its own consequences…

    • Q Continuum

      Those are some huge error bars.

      /not a euphemism

      • Pope Jimbo

        error bars

        That is where I met my wife.

      • AlmightyJB

        I laughed too hard at this:)

    • Pope Jimbo

      If you are going to require draconian measures to flatten the curve, you better be flattening it so that you are using 90% or so of hospital capacity. If your measures are flattening it to such an extent that you are only using 14% (48 of 355 ICU beds in MN) of hospital capacity, you need to ease up on the measures.

      But no one will ever be held to account for these bogus models. In fact, they will all be rewarded with huge grants to prepare for the next pandemic.

      Prediction: A shit ton of “environmental scientists” who have spent the last few decades creating doom and gloom models about climate change will over the next years switch to being “pandemic scientists” and gobble up all that sweet govt grant money to create doom and gloom models about pandemics.

      • Urthona

        Don’t even get me started.

        I live in Texas, btw, and our latest projections? 2000 deaths. Out of 30,000,000 people. No hospital or icu shortages. Peak date: April 19th.

        With no state lockdown. And my county of 1,000,000 isn’t participating in a lockdown either.

        This is population-wise the second largest state.

      • Tundra

        I’ll bet Walz comes out today or tomorrow and clamps down even harder.

        He’s enjoying this way too much.

  50. The Late P Brooks

    Overprivileged white girls hardest hit

    Zoe was born in 2002, a year after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Things were looking up at the time, and they’ve stayed pretty rosy by comparison. Yes, we had the invasion of Iraq, the spike in school shootings, climate change, the 2008 housing crisis, and #MeToo, but we also had an unprecedented explosion in both creativity and commerce. All of the tech services we now love, from Facebook to Netflix, got started in these years. Barack Obama was president—for eight years. The iPhone was invented, and they got Osama bin Laden.

    Even the election of Donald Trump couldn’t take much of the shine off the last two decades. As of 2019, our “Goldilocks economy” was seeing the lowest level of unemployment since 1969, minimal inflation, and a stock market at its all-time high. Not only was Zoe going to college, we were going to be able to pay for it and she was going to be able to get a job when she graduated.

    In the space of a few weeks, none of those things are certain any more, and it’s hitting her hard.

    Everyone has had to abruptly adapt to “the new normal,” and my initial thought was that kids would take it all in stride. My daughter spends the vast majority of her free time in her room, on her bed, staring at her phone. Would shelter-in-place be any different, aside from not going to school for a few hours a day?

    It is, and the impact on Zoe has been profound. She was devastated by the news, and she recently—after more than two weeks into stay-at-home restrictions—spoke to me about the ups and downs (mostly downs) of the experience. “I’m trying to deal with the fact that my high school career is over,” she says. “Losing track and field, prom, and graduation sucks. And there’s no way to cope with it because I’m just never going to get to do those things. It feels like the last four years of hard work have been for nothing.”

    Devastating! Worse than Donald Fucking Trump thieving the White House away from the Most Qualified Candidate Ever!

    All that hard work, and for what? NOTHING. Nothing, I tell you.

    • leon

      It feels like the last four years of hard work have been for nothing.

      While trying to be sensitive because you are a teenager who really has zero life experience and so this really is probably the most devestating thing that has happened to you in your life: Get a fucking grip, in 5 years you are going to be embarrassed that you freaked out about missing something as inconsequential as prom and your high school graduation. Life is more than singular events that you work toward.

      And if you aren’t embarrased in 5 years, you haven’t grown an ounce and should be embarrassed for that.

      • Tundra

        Meh.

        My HS senior daughter is pretty bummed out. Not navel-gazing ennui, but she is sad to miss out on those things. Tragedy? Of course not. But it still sucks.

      • KSuellington

        Yup, it sucks to miss those things, especially for something as overblown as this virus panic.

      • straffinrun

        You guys are nicer than I am. I just have a hard time spreading my sympathy around when parents are scared about losing their jobs and grandparents worried about getting da virus (even if it is overblown).

      • leon

        See below. Being compassionate and understanding that they are having a hard time with something because they have little life experiences is one thing. Validating those feelings without putting it in perspective is another.

      • Tundra

        My kid doesn’t need perspective. She’s not retarded, she’s disappointed.

      • Private Chipperbot

        Yeah. Same. My kids know how overblown this is and that’s why they’re pissed. Son has a torn ACL, surgery was going to be deferred until winter so he could play his senior year, but he still can’t go to rehab. Another kid on his team just had a surgery cancelled and is going to lose his senior year. Daughter busted her ass and made varsity team as a sophomore and that’s gone.

        In the grand scheme of things, these are less than nothing; to a 16 yr old it’s more impactful because their world is so much smaller. They’ll get over it, but I think they’d lose respect for me if I just said they’re being bitchy.

        It has helped them gain a giant distrust of government, so I’ll take that part of this fiasco.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        PC, hope you saw the (v. trivial) link I belatedly left you yesterday.

      • Private Chipperbot

        Yes. Thanks! She will be extending our cower in place order again tomorrow. Legislature is finally trying to do something, so we’ll see what happens. People here are going to say fuck it once we start staying around 60 degrees during the day.

      • leon

        I didn’t mean to imply that she did. I think being bummed about something is a fine and healthy reaction.

      • KSuellington

        Don’t get me wrong, I mostly agree with you both. Perspective is good, we are shutting down an economy and will cause vast suffering that makes missing a high school prom look utterly trivial. I’m just viewing the shutdowns as similar to the future shutdowns of activities to stop the climate from changing.

      • grrizzly

        I skipped both kindergarten and HS graduations. There was a good reason for the latter.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        I sold my college commencement tickets, cuz meh.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        You’re a tugboat now?

  51. The Late P Brooks

    Doctors and media both have a distrust of the public at large. Doctors because they actually deal with a crazy subset of the human race on a fairly frequent basis, and media because they’re just deluded assholes.

    Other doctors?

    • invisible finger

      “they actually deal with a crazy subset of the human race on a fairly frequent basis”

      Just like every other profession.

  52. Chafed

    Is anyone else seeing a large drop in in the forecast for deaths and infections in their state per the University of Washington Covid-19 forecast? https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

    Last week, California forecast has peak resource use on April 26th and about 5,000 total deaths. Today, peak resource use is forecast for April 14th and total deaths below 2,000.

    I haven’t tracked the nationwide numbers as closely but total forecast deaths were over 100,000. Now it’s about 80,000. What is going on?

    • KSuellington

      It will be below 50k total deaths in US in another two weeks. And that is with counting every single death of someone with CCPV as a death from it.

      • Ozymandias

        I’m holding onto my prediction of <20K deaths in the US from this when it's all said and done.

      • KSuellington

        That really would not surprise me. And of course our betters saved us by ordering everyone around.

      • Ozymandias

        The acid test will be how the public reacts to this in the aftermath. IOW, if these projections were so wildly off – even with all of the claimed quarantines and emergency powers – why should we believe them that they saved us? OR will they just swallow it wholesale?

        The other part of this that will be funny to watch is how the Media and Trump deal with one another in the aftermath. Trump is already starting the “BUT MOAR WOULD HAVE DIED!!!” without his awesome leadership, which will force the DNC operatives to screech the opposite of what he said… but what would that be? As I see it, their options are limited to, “NUH UH!! It was Cuomo that saved us!!!” Which is really gonna be a hard sell. Trump shut down flights from China three days after the WHO announcement, got called a racist in the Media for it, etc. The only other (not-good) option is to say “It wasn’t that bad.”

        I think I’m looking forward to that more than anything else; more self-immolation by the Media and Top Men.

      • KSuellington

        I am not that hopeful that it will happen, but when this thing comes in vastly lower than expected over the next few months I would love to see some of the faith in computer prediction models take a hit from this. Otherwise I see these shutdowns as a trial run for the climate emergency! that is surely around the corner. If we can shut down a quarter of the economy for the virus, surely we can do so in the face of climate death.

  53. Sensei

    You can’t make this stuff up. When I took COBOL in college I was told it was pretty much dead. Of course after that Y2K crap happened,

    Why Covid-19 has resulted in New Jersey desperately needing COBOL programmers

    In New Jersey, experts are now needed to fix COBOL-based unemployment insurance systems—more than four decades old—that are overwhelmed due to pandemic-related job losses. At a press conference yesterday, governor Phil Murphy asked for the help of volunteer coders who still knew how to work in COBOL.

    • Pope Jimbo

      volunteer coders

      Uffda. You take away peoples’ freedoms, you tell them they have to stay in their houses, you treat them like chattel, but now you want them to work for free? FUCK YOU!

      I’m sure when this doesn’t work, he will say that anyone asking for more than $15/hr to fix COBOL is a dirty price gouger and will prosecute them.

      • Rhywun

        I didn’t notice that.

        Fuck. No.

    • invisible finger

      “When I took COBOL in college I was told it was pretty much dead.”

      Who told you this? College professors who never spent much time in the private sector?

  54. Ownbestenemy

    Dad is in qnd out of consciousness but is stable. Still waiting for Covid test results but starting to look more like complications sith throat cancer. Though, being hospitalized at the VA probably will mean he will contract it there.

    Still better news for my family than 2 days ago.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Sorry man, I hope he improves.

    • Tundra

      Thanks for the update. Good to hear he’s doing better.

    • Mojeaux

      Oh, I am so sorry!

    • Shirley Knott

      Thank you for sharing the good news. Best wishes to you and your family!

      • Shirley Knott

        Sorry, I should have said ‘the improved news.’

    • Pope Jimbo

      Sorry to hear that. Hoping things get better for everyone.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Countries are going to think twice about relying on China to manufacture their critical products in the future. I think more than anything else, this is going to hurt the ChiComs. They need that continuing increase in demand to underwrite their initiatives.

    • Donny McDonface

      I got bored with that quickly.

      They ate grass for Mao before; they’ll eat grass to keep their Volkswagen now

  55. Mojeaux

    @Fourscore, if you’re around, do you ship your honey?

    • Pope Jimbo

      Mrs. Fourscore goes on lots of trips, but I think they are all voluntary. I don’t think Fourscore “ships” her off anywhere against her will.

      • Trigger Hippie

        “I take my wife everywhere but she always finds her way home.”

    • Pope Jimbo

      He only ships to Glibs who have gone through the Honey Harvest Initiation (which includes purifying yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka). You want some, you gotta get up here in September.

      • Ozymandias

        At least September the water will be at its warmest; I’d hate to be purified in March, when one still has to crack the remaining layer of ice.

      • Mojeaux

        Actually, I was just thinking about that. It’s possible we will be in a position to do so. Not probable, but possible.

  56. Rebel Scum

    Aquarius: Page of Wands reversed – Anecdotes, announcements, evil news.

    As always, something to look forward to.

    Also indecision and the instability which accompanies it.

    I haven’t figured out what to do with my Donald dollars.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Interesting. Thanks

  57. The Late P Brooks

    I was suddenly facing the reality that not only were teens ill-equipped for this crisis, they’re actually in a much worse position than adults. There’s science behind this idea, as Psychology Today writer Christine L. Carter notes: “Teenagers and college students have amplified innate, developmental motivations that make them hard to isolate at home. The hormonal changes that come with puberty conspire with adolescent social dynamics to make them highly attuned to social status and peer group.”

    ——-

    So how do you help a teen cope? My personal experience would suggest you can’t, that you are best off staying out of a teen’s way, but Ryan Fedoroff, National Director of Education at Newport Academy, a mental health treatment center for teens and young adults, offers some tips. She says, “Be compassionate and truly listen to your child when they speak about their worries and the fact that they are upset with activities being canceled. It’s important to validate their feelings during this time, even if they are disappointed and sad. Ask your child how you can support them through this time. It is important to not try and solve their problems when they are upset. Just show compassion, validate, and be present.”

    Oh. Okay.

    • straffinrun

      How do you handle getting sniffles? It must be rough on teens.

    • leon

      Be compassionate and truly listen to your child when they speak about their worries and the fact that they are upset with activities being canceled. It’s important to validate their feelings during this time, even if they are disappointed and sad.

      Being comppassionate is important. As i alluded to earlier, you have to remember that they are basically baby adults. They have the capacity of independence like adults, but 0 experience, and so they are much more likely to freak out about stupid things. It’s like when a child stubs their toe, and acts like they are bleeding to death. Fine when they are 2, not so much when they are 5.

      Validation on the other hand is a stupid idea. Kids won’t grow if no one is going to tell them that they are being retarded and to push them into putting things into perspective. This is how we get 25 year olds crying because Donald Trump was elected.

    • hayeksplosives

      If these people are our future, just throw in the towel now.

      • Q Continuum

        No kidding. At 17, my parents would pretty much have had to bar the door during this to keep me from going out and getting drunk and laid. Now it’s hugboxes and safe spaces.

      • AlexinCT

        I NEEDZ MORE CRAYONZ!

  58. The Late P Brooks

    There be witches!

    Several cell towers in the U.K. have been set on fire and engineers harassed amid the spread of online conspiracy theories that link 5G technology with the coronavirus pandemic.

    Four of Vodafone’s mobile phone masts were attacked in the last 24 hours, a spokesperson for the British carrier told CNBC Sunday. It’s unclear whether the sites affected were used for 5G.

    Video footage circulated online last week showing a mast torched in the English city of Birmingham. EE said its engineers were assessing the cause of the fire, adding it was “likely” arson and that, if so, the firm would work with local police to identify a culprit. The tower was not a 5G mast.

    I hope they used wooden shoes as tinder.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      So fucking stupid

  59. PieInTheSky

    Rare photo of 5g tower spraying us with chemtrails. Stay safe out there.

  60. The Late P Brooks

    There are floods of posts on Facebook claiming the coronavirus outbreak was caused by 5G, the fifth generation of mobile internet. Many of the claims center on the idea that the virus originated in Wuhan because the Chinese city had deployed 5G networks last year.

    Celebrities have drawn criticism for promoting such claims. U.K. talent show judge Amanda Holden shared a petition calling for 5G to be banned in a since-deleted tweet, while U.S. actor Woody Harrelson posted about the conspiracy theory on Instagram, claiming a “lot of my friends have been talking about the negative effects of 5G.”

    If you can’t trust celebrities on farcebook, whom can you trust?

    • UnCivilServant

      What part of “Trust no one” do people not understand!?

      • Jarflax

        The part where you are some one and are telling us to trust you about not trusting any one.

  61. R C Dean

    Just checked the IHME site for AZ. Sadly, I did not keep a screenshot of the old one (stupid, in retrospect).

    Even its worst case projections don’t come close to exceeding ICU bed and ventilator capacity. In a rational world, our Governor would declare victory and lift all restrictions. However, that would make AZ businesses and residents ineligible for federal loot, so that ain’t gonna happen. We are going to tear the guts out of our economy to get the most possible welfare money from DC.

    • straffinrun

      Just think of how we can repurpose all those ventilators. Government can sell them to head shops.

      • Drake

        Hah

    • leon

      We are going to tear the guts out of our economy to get the most possible welfare money from DC.

      That will be paid for by…. The people of AZ and the rest of the country.

      • Pope Jimbo

        That last part is the step that most people have trouble grasping. “I’m getting FREE money!!!!!”

        Don’t forget that pols are prone to gloating about how good they are at getting more money back from DC than the state sends in. Like that is a good thing. So you cheated your neighbors in other states?

  62. Rebel Scum

    Office milf just told me that the guy in the cubicle next to mine is out with a fever. He is getting tested for Commie Cough and she is going to tell me when the results come back.

  63. Q Continuum

    Are we more pissed at China for lying their asses off, or at our own leaders for tanking the economy in service of virus virtue signaling?

    • UnCivilServant

      The panicking western leaders.

      Lying scumbag ChiComs are going to lie and murderously abuse people.

      We shouldn’t follow in their footsteps.

    • PieInTheSky

      china lies. The problem is those who believe em.

  64. The Late P Brooks

    I’m not crazy. YOU’REcrazy!

    Morning Joe co-host Mika Brzezinski suggested President Trump may have a financial incentive to push the anti-malaria drug being touted as a possible treatment for coronavirus patients.

    Trump, along with his economic adviser Peter Navarro, personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and other confidants, has praised hydroxychloroquine, while medical experts, including those on his coronavirus task force, have cautioned there was still a lack of solid evidence showing it is effective against the COVID-19 virus.

    Brzezinski and husband Joe Scarborough opened their MSNBC show on Monday with a discussion on the warring factions in the White House after Axios reported Navarro and Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, clashed over hydroxychloroquine. Scarborough repeatedly called it an “unproven drug” and said it “doesn’t work for” the virus. Brzezinski accused Trump of being involved with the drug monetarily to explain his support for the drug.

    “A lot of people would say, follow the money,” she said. “There’s got to be some sort of financial tie to someone somewhere that has the president pushing this repeatedly.”

    Whatever, hon. Take your meds.

    • UnCivilServant

      “We wanna get our mass grave son like china!” even when there are nowhere near enough corpses to strain the normal systems.

    • Tundra

      You’ve got to be kidding me.

    • PieInTheSky

      Just burn them on a huge pyre in times square

    • Toxteth O’Grady

      Ew.

      Doesn’t say which parks.

  65. AlmightyJB

    I just found out today that Coronavirus was caused by 5G.

    • Trigger Hippie

      Plan 9 from Verizon Space

    • PieInTheSky

      Jeez you are way behind on the news

      • Trigger Hippie

        Right? I mean, just today you showed of photographic evidence of them flying and shooting Corona trails into the atmosphere. Soon ALL the frogs will be gay.

    • Chipwooder

      So it was caused by a business jet?

      No, wait, that’s the G5. My bad.

  66. The Late P Brooks

    Some people are still willing to go down swinging

    When police arrived at the scene, they found the crowd watching Maldjian and one other playing live acoustic versions of Pink Floyd songs, complete with microphones and amplifiers for their guitars. Some of the people attending the concert had even brought lawn chairs to watch the show.

    The concert was held in defiance of an Executive Order signed by New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy which said all parties, celebrations, or other social events, must be canceled to help stop the spread of the coronavirus.

    When police tried to tell everyone they must leave, the group of middle aged attendees began shouting “f*** the police” and “welcome to Nazi Germany.”

    The band continued to play even while officers were attempting to disperse the crowd. Police said officers eventually forced the concert to end during a rendition of Pink Floyd’s 1975 song “Wish You Were Here.”

    “Sadly I’m sure we all ‘wish we could be here’, and the Rumson Police Department takes no enjoyment in ruining anyone’s fun! However we all have a responsibility to take this pandemic seriously and adhere to the social distancing requirement,” a Rumson Police spokesperson said in a statement. “We also need to be a good role model for our children and be kind and understanding during these times.”

    Rumson Police Chief Scott Paterson said further charges are pending against the other people who attended the concert outside Maldjian’s home. The performance was also broadcast live on Facebook.

    Fuck the police, indeed.

    • Q Continuum

      “charges are pending”

      I guess Russia won the Cold War after all.

    • Tres Cool

      Hey- they’re only following orders after all.

      • leon

        I like to say “I Don’t make the laws son, I’m just given a large amount of leeway into how i enforce them”.

    • Rebel Scum

      charges are pending

      Such as?

    • B.P.

      This country is so bored that a large crowd will gather to hear acoustic covers of Pink Floyd songs.

    • AlexinCT

      By design. Orange man must be defeated, and if they need to burn the country down to make that happen, they will…

  67. The Late P Brooks

    Crimes against humanity

    An Ohio Democratic State Representative has called for Donald Trump to be tried for “crimes against humanity,” after Sunday’s press conference in which the president once again promoted the unproven use of an anti-malarial drug against the novel coronavirus.

    Throughout the White House briefings, Trump has repeatedly pushed hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment to COVID-19, despite limited evidence of the drug’s effectiveness.

    On Sunday, the president doubled down on his assertions, telling reporters that the drug was “being tested now” and claiming “there are some very strong, powerful signs” of its potential as a treatment for coronavirus.

    “It’s a great malaria drug. It’s worked unbelievably. It’s a powerful drug on malaria,” Trump said of hydroxychloroquine. “And there are signs that it works on this, very strong signs. And in the meantime, it’s been around a long time. It also works very powerfully on lupus. So, there are some very strong, powerful signs and we’ll have to see.”

    ——-

    Despite Fauci’s warnings, Trump continued to push for the widespread use of hydroxychloroquine on Sunday, prompting a wave of Twitter users to call on broadcasters to “#StopAiringTrumpNow” and for the White House to host “#DoctorsOnlyPressConferences”.

    Rep. Tavia Galonski tweeted in response to Trump’s remarks, “I can’t take it anymore. I’ve been to The Hague. I’m making a referral for crimes against humanity tomorrow.”

    “Today’s press conference was the last straw,” the Democrat added. “I know the need for a prosecution referral when I see one.”

    “I know #Trump can hear the sirens from the @WhiteHouse,” artist and activist Jessicka Addams wrote. “No matter what he is not listening,” she said, including the hashtag “#DoctorsOnlyPressConferences.”

    President Cartoon Villain is a pawn of Big Anti-Malarial!

    • leon

      It’s like he’s pushing us into Gas Chambers!