Tuesday Morning Links

by | Apr 28, 2020 | Daily Links | 553 comments

Good morning my Glibs and Gliberinas and what a beautiful morning it is as Texas is starting to reopen.  Why it’s only partially reopening is beyond me as despite having the second highest population in the US ,the death total is only 672.  Our death per million in less than North Dakota.

 

Judge rules against Illinois Governor lock down extension.

 

Barr issues memo ordering US attorneys to be on the “Lookout” for civil liberties violations.

 

North Korea shares alleged letter from Kim Jong Un-Dead to South African president dated yesterday.

 

While Trump claims he knows about Kim Jong Un-Dead’s health, “but I can’t talk about it”.

 

While a Democrat Presidential candidate, Piggy said that she believed Biden’s accuser.

 

Speaking of which.

 

Interesting.

 

That’s all I got for today.  I’ll leave you with a song and move along with my day.

 

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Banjos

Wife of sloopy, mother to three bright, curious, and highly active young girls. Perpetually exhausted.

553 Comments

  1. Shpip

    “Yes I do have a very good idea, but I can’t talk about it now,” said Trump when he was asked to provide an update on Kim’s condition. “I just wish him well.”

    The first rule about Dead Club is…

    • Shpip

      Oh, and mornin’, Banjos

      • Banjos

        Mornin’

    • UnCivilServant

      Saying what we know about Kim’s state of health risks exposing actual worthwhile intel sources for the sake of morbid curiousity.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Literally.

    • Banjos

      Mornin’

  2. Tonio

    Mornin’ Banjos.

    Thanks for the Michael Malice link yesterday. Some good information, once you waded through the rambling, and his responses to OT comments. I was smugly amused by the total dumpster fire of production values — troubleshooting his new microphone during a livestream.

    • Banjos

      Mornin’, Malice is my animal spirit.

      • Banjos

        Or spirit animal. I need more sleep. Girls kept me up half the night.

  3. Donation Not Taxation

    Morning, Glibs time, Banjos.

    • Banjos

      Mornin’

  4. UnCivilServant

    Barr issues memo ordering US attorneys to be on the “Lookout” for civil liberties violations.

    They should take off those blindfolds, because the violations are rampant and public.

    • Nephilium

      But it’s Garden Day!

      /Fuck DeWine

      /Fuck Ohio Spirit Week

    • straffinrun

      As long as we have transgender boxcars, no civil liberties were violated.

      • AlexinCT

        I DEMAND STUDIES SHOWING THE HORRIBLE IMPACT OF COVID-19 ON ALL 57 GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED GENDERS!

    • hayeksplosives

      What’s scary is that the power grab and arbitrary “orders” were all issued in the name of the COVID19 “crisis”.

      But they use “crisis” pretty freely in their rhetoric. Who’s to say they don’t give it another go in the name of Climate Change Crisis? Income inequality Crisis? Food sustainability Crisis?

      I bet this meat shortage opens they way to wholly unforeseen levels of government overreach to get us to gradually give up meat. We will be having Meatless Mondays in no time. For the greater good.

      • Florida Man

        The propaganda machine is working. My in laws are scared because of how many young people are dying from the virus.

      • Gdragon

        My dad commented on how lucky I was to not be in NYC anymore and I kinda thought “I’m relatively young and healthy, does location really matter that much?”. But I think he honestly thinks that I would be dead if I were there.

      • AlexinCT

        Most people are oblivious to reality and the fact that we tend to simply accept risk as well as death as part of daily living. Discussed this very point with my girlfriend the other day. When I gave her numbers for people that died from other things – car accidents, flu, other health related issues, and so on – and pointed out that something like 200K Americans die every day and sent here here to get details, she was flabbergasted. The thing is that she is now freaking out because that illusion of absolute security that she has lived with by believing letting government run everything no longer exists now that she realizes how much risk is tolerated normally (a lot of people would be quite content to lock themselves up and spend the rest of their lives drawing with crayons, molesting their support animals, or doing whatever else these lefty safe spaces are supposed to be for, is my guess) .

        The media and the panic monsters have done a bangup job of creating this panic for no other reason than to cause harm to the reelection prospects of orange man whom is an existential threat to team blue’s agenda to hide the weaponization and criminal behavior encouraged in the unelected and elected bureaucracy of the Obama admin. We need to counter that as often as we can.

      • Don Escaped Sarcasm

        200K Americans die every day

        woah! I thought life expectancy was quite a bit above five years!

      • UnCivilServant

        Why do you think we need so many immigrants?

      • Jarflax

        It is, but no new Americans have been born since 1940 so there are 330,000,000 octogenarians playing out the string.

      • Don Escaped Sarcasm

        immigrants

        indeed: apparently we need a bridge, not a wall, with moving sidewalks; the Border Patrol should invade Mexico and force people north

      • UnCivilServant

        Alex, your link says 7,600 a day.

      • Shirley Knott

        Yeah, the world-wide daily death total is around 157,00.

      • Shirley Knott

        Dammit, dropped the trailing zero — 157,000 per day, with error bars probably around +/- 2k.

      • AlexinCT

        OK, I thought my attempt at a joke would be obvious with the link to the actual numbers next to it, but I seem to have failed…

      • Jarflax

        Have we hit 100 total young people dead worldwide yet?

      • UnCivilServant

        We have a goodly number of fatties with diabetes and other illnesses, so probably.

      • robc

        31 under 25 years old in the US, as of 4/25.

      • WTF

        The only young people dying from the virus have co-morbidities which put them at risk, but they won’t mention that.

      • Banjos

        All fatties.

      • Atanarjuat

        I wonder what the response from the “fat sex is beautiful, we’re not unhealthy” segment of feminists will be.

      • WTF

        Mostly, yes. Obesity is a major risk factor in WuFlu morbidity.

      • robc

        None?

      • robc

        All ages 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 27,674
        Under 1 year 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 0
        1–4 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 2
        5–14 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 1
        15–24 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 28
        25–34 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 220
        35–44 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 530
        45–54 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 1,484
        55–64 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 3,537
        65–74 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 6,077
        75–84 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 7,585
        85 years and over 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 8,210

        Source: CDC provisional death counts, dates are range.

      • robc

        Non-issue under 25. minor issue under 45. Not serious until 65.

      • Florida Man

        They knew some guy who died at 30. I don’t know him or his health history, but CNN is playing up anyone under 40 that dies.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        No healthy person under 50 dies from the flu, this is known.

      • robc

        All ages 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 5,668
        Under 1 year 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 11
        1–4 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 28
        5–14 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 39
        15–24 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 40
        25–34 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 126
        35–44 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 203
        45–54 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 490
        55–64 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 1,048
        65–74 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 1,241
        75–84 years 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 1,259
        85 years and over 2/1/2020 4/25/2020 1,183

        Flu deaths from same time period as above.

      • Drake

        They were all sold as brief pauses to “flatten the curve” of the infection. Now that the curve has been thoroughly flattened, they are not re-opening the economy until absolutely impossible testing standards are met.

      • WTF

        Because the blue state governors are using the virus to hold their states hostage to try to get the fedgov to bail them out for decades of fiscal mismanagement including huge unfunded pension obligations.

      • Rhywun

        Victory gin and chocolate rations won’t be far behind.

  5. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Tard Tuesday: Not The Root, But It Could Be

    What too many Americans will never admit

    The whole reason we are in this terrible mess right now is America’s reaction to having an African-American POTUS. That’s it, everything boiled down to a root cause. America’s original sin, which is the racism behind manifest destiny, the genocide against Native Americans and slavery/white supremacy was the momentum.

    If you lived through the aftermath of the civil rights movement, it’s no surprise. If you’re a white person whose heard the bigoted remarks when others think it’s “safe” to talk among pale faces, it’s no shock. If you know all the coded language, know about redlining and “states rights,” then you’re unfazed.

    It fueled birtherism, the Tea Party, the heightened intransigence of the GOP, the wild-eyed reactions to anything associated with Obama and the election of Trump. These are the fruits of the Whitelash.

    • Festus

      Oh fuck me dead. The places that I work could be a Benetton ad featuring real-looking people from all over the place who all get along. I hate, hate, hate this line of attack. Go fuck yourself you divisive, spoiled piece of ring-meat!

      • Festus

        Oh, Mornin’ Banjos! Sorry for the curse-riddled rant…

      • Banjos

        Mornin’

      • Rhywun

        Sorry for the curse-riddled rant…

        It was much needed. This person and xer ilk are poison.

      • JD is Unemployed

        Absolutely. Doing xheir level best to try stirring up identarian animosity and then pointing the finger at the ghoulish strawman as the instigator. Highly concentrated hypocrisy.

    • Fourscore

      I guess I’d never admit it ’cause I never thought about it. Now I have another guilt trip to take. Damn, these side trips are tiring me out.

      • AlexinCT

        I had a serious problem with Obama’s color… I saw through the bullshit and knew the fucker was a commie red bastard….

        The way he ran the country proved me right.

        /Come at me bro..

      • JD is Unemployed

        Unreconstructed birther redneck tea party clansman racist backward science-denying deporable gun-fellating conservatard rube!

    • Gdragon

      I just imagine him sitting there with a guitar singing “Whitelash!” like Jerry O’Connell in “Jerry Maguire” while he is waiting to be drafted.

  6. Donation Not Taxation

    What Mark Steyn considered news yesterday:

    SteynOnline: Getting Down to the Non-Essentials – Mark Steyn
    PJMedia: California Docs Say Lockdown vs. Non-Lockdown ‘Did Not Produce a Statistically Different Number of Deaths’
    FOXNews: Pelosi Endorses Joe Biden for President, Amid Development in Sexual Assault Claim
    FOXNews: Biden accuser Tara Reade ‘lost total respect’ for CNN’s Anderson Cooper for not asking former VP about assault claim
    FOXNews: CNN finally covers Larry King clip in which Biden accuser’s mother purportedly alludes to daughter’s sexual assault
    FOXNews: Whitmer blasts McConnell for ‘outrageous’ state bankruptcy comment
    NPR: Speaker Pelosi: President Trump’s Effort To Sideline The WHO Is ‘Dangerous’
    Reuters: Next wave of U.S. states set to reopen as coronavirus could push jobless rate to 16%
    New York Post: Ritzy Fisher Island homeowner’s association gets $2M coronavirus loan
    FOXNews: AOC slammed by New York paper for voting against latest stimulus bill
    Washington Post: Power Up: Decisions by some states to reopen spark growing divide in U.S.
    CNBC: “China denies spreading coronavirus disinformation following EU report”
    AP: Asia Today: Officials: No more hospitalized Wuhan patients
    AP: U.S. states build stockpiles of malaria drug touted by Trump
    Washington Post: Social distancing could last months, White House coronavirus coordinator says
    The Lily: Women academics seem to be submitting fewer papers during coronavirus. ‘Never seen anything like it,’ says one editor
    LA Times: ‘I’m not that scared’: People flock to beaches again, bringing hand sanitizer and hope
    Reuters: Coronavirus-spurred changes to Ohio’s primary raise concerns about November
    Reuters: Companies bet on AI cameras to track social distancing, limit liability
    Reuters: South Korean officials caution against reports that North Korean leader Kim is ill
    AP: Mideast economies take massive hit with oil price crash
    New York Post: Ex-‘Hardball’ host Chris Matthews admits to ‘inappropriate’ behavior at MSNBC
    The Hill: Trump asks why taxpayers should help bail out blue states
    NBC: Andy Lack: Journalism is under attack from coronavirus and Trump. But we’re winning.
    The Hill: Oklahoma City mayor: Not comfortable reopening ‘until there is a vaccine or a proven treatment’
    The Hill: Most newspapers not eligible for stimulus loans, says report
    The Hill: Schumer to introduce ‘No PR Act’ to stop Trump from placing name on stimulus checks
    Undocumented anchorman Mark Steyn filled in for Rush. Check out Mark’s Stack of Stuff — and remember, Rush 24/7 Members can enjoy all three hours of this or any broadcast via audio streaming or as a podcast.
    Johns Hopkins University: Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases
    The Hill: Trump blasts Fox News, says he wants ‘an alternative’
    The Hill: Tyson Foods takes out full-page ad: ‘The food supply chain is breaking’
    Politico: Backlash grows as pandemic relief stumbles
    Politico: Colorado governor defends move to reopen
    RealClearPolitics: A China-U.S. Cold War?
    Daily Wire: Yes, Hospitals Get Paid More For Coronavirus-Coded Patients, Even If They Haven’t Been Tested
    Drug Overdose, Head Trauma Deaths Added To Coronavirus Death Toll
    National Review: A Federal Bailout Won’t Fix States’ Finances
    NewsBusters: NBC Demands Birx Quit Now, to Save Her ‘Credibility’ From Trump
    NewsBusters: CNN Is Colluding with Biden to Bury Tara Reade Story
    Breitbart: ‘Unreliable Data’ Britain Drops China From Official Coronavirus Death Toll
    Breitbart: China Warns Australia: Drop Coronavirus Probe or Pay an Economic Price
    GatewayPundit: Useful Idiot Bill Gates Praises China Regime and their ‘Handling’ of Coronavirus — Dumps on US
    New York Post: Bill de Blasio, Chirlane McCray stroll through Prospect Park amid coronavirus
    Federalist: Protesters Descend On Wisconsin Capitol To Send A Message: We’re Done Staying Home

    • Animal

      The Hill: Trump asks why taxpayers should help bail out blue states

      That’s a fair question.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        CARES should already count as a ‘bail out’ of blue, purple, and red states. The state governments ordered cower in place. Regulatory taking.

      • Donation Not Taxation

        Yes, fair question.

      • invisible finger

        The first excuse out of every blue-staters mouth is “We send more money to the federal government than we get back.”

        The proper retort to that is “Why do your Congressional reps keep voting for budgets that do that? “

      • Bobarian LMD

        Secondary retort — “That’s a bullshit metric that fails to account for significant factors that drive those numbers.”

    • invisible finger

      Whitmer already filed for moral bankruptcy.

      • Shirley Knott

        No way she’d file — she’s the very picture of smug holier-than-thou moral elitism. A virtuecrat through and through.

  7. hayeksplosives

    Morning, early birds. Specially Banjos!

    I am going to try to get another few ours of sleep.

    Then early this afternoon I will get the results of my COVID19 test. I assume if you don’t hear from me, it was positive and I’ve been disappeared.

    • UnCivilServant

      Sweet dreams, I hope all goes well.

    • Animal

      Good luck.

    • Banjos

      Mornin’

    • AlmightyJB

      Good JuJu too ya HE!

    • Florida Man

      We got an email All of us will be tested starting today. Since it’s for live virus and not antibodies, I don’t see the point in testing asymptotic workers. I could test negative today and get the virus tomorrow. Waste of resources.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m sure there’s some liability reason for it.

      • Tonio

        Conspicuous do-somethingism. Which is what a lot of the current restrictions are about, really.

      • Florida Man

        UCS/TONIO I think you’re both right.

    • Festus

      Hopefully just allergies, HE! They’re killing me now and I never suffered from them before two years ago. Feel better!

    • bacon-magic

      Don’t get on the “transfer to better hospital” train. Hope your test is negative.

    • JD is Unemployed

      Wishing you the best either way, ‘splosives.

  8. straffinrun

    “We have to be very careful to make sure this, that the draconian measures that are being adopted are fully justified

    Wut are you talking about, Barr? If it’s draconian, it’s not justified.

    • hayeksplosives

      He had to grab his Politispeak to English dictionary and got flustered.

      • Festus

        He never got over the time that one Xmas morning when he nearly shot his eye out with his brand-new Red Ryder BB gun.

  9. Suthenboy

    Porkchop is dead. If not, why show us a letter instead of his face?

    Good on the judge in Illinois. First step: You don’t have the authority to do that. Second step: You did anyway and ruined my life’s work. Now pay me.

    They should be on the lookout for civil liberties violations? Like not allowing people freedom of association? Freedom of movement? Freedom to make a living? Things like that?

    Creepy Joe is creepy and Russia hoax was transparently a hoax.

    • UnCivilServant

      An officially dead Kim destabilized North Korea, it’s a time of the long knives while they hash out succession before presenting the transition to the world.

      • JD is Unemployed

        Or the ChiComs come in and run the show officially now?

      • Rhywun

        Even the ChiComs don’t want anything to do with them.

      • Tejicano

        This is what I am hoping for one day – soon if possible. At some point the CCP will see Kim as too much trouble to continue supporting in a destabilizing world.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Great men like Kim don’t die, they just fade away.

      • UnCivilServant

        I thought they underwent soponification due to the high body fat content.

      • Fourscore

        I read that as soap-onification. Turned out I was right. Thanks, UCS, I learned a new word that I didn’t know and will never use but still…

      • UnCivilServant

        I have a great vocabulary of misspelled words.

      • Festus

        It’s called adipocere. My brother wrote a song about it thirty years ago.

      • JD is Unemployed

        Or they are displayed in glass cases to be venerated by True Believers forever. Except Lenin – that’s definitely a waxwork.

    • Donation Not Taxation

      ‘even in times of emergency, when reasonable and temporary restrictions are placed on rights,’

      Barr: Covid restrictions that protect can ignore the Constitution. Some restrictions cross line.

      PJMedia: ‘California Docs Say Lockdown vs. Non-Lockdown ‘Did Not Produce a Statistically Different Number of Deaths’’

      Fair or not?: Assuming PJMedia, PJMedia + Barr standard -> DOJ should prosecute 42 governors

  10. AlmightyJB

    That Dr. Ericson video being shared that questioned the lockdowns has been deleted by YouTube.

    • JD is Unemployed

      WE ARE THE BORG. WE WILL ADD YOUR METADATA AND PERSONAL BROWSING HISTORY TO OUR DATABASE. YOU WILL SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      You’re shitting me.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        The primary posting of it has but it can still be found, for the time being at least. They said they were going to purge info and advice that doesn’t purport with the WHO so this is to be expected.

      • JD is Unemployed

        Fuck the WHO into oblivion. Fuck them and their corrupt monopoly on “truth”.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Google cooperated with the CCP on information gathering in China. They’re just showing their hand again as the WHO is essentially a mouthpiece of the Chinese at this point.

      • AlmightyJB

        IOW…STFU and OBEY!

      • Festus

        I found it later but primary post is dead-lighted.

    • Tonio

      The man was obviously a raving lunatic, claiming the emperor wears no clothes and all.

    • Tonio

      I’d love to see Ericson called to testify before the senate.

    • Drake

      This video has been removed for violating YouTube’s Community Guidelines.

      Time to kick my Youtube habit.

    • Drake

      The video is on bitchute but wordpress has foiled my attempts to link it.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Look they have to fucking censor that shit, because you rubes will believe anything!

      People who relied on conservative media and social media in early March for information about the new coronavirus infection (COVID-19) were more likely to hold inaccurate beliefs about the potential seriousness of the illness and about how to prevent it from spreading.

      They were also more likely to believe conspiracy theories about the virus, including the bogus belief that people within government health agencies were exaggerating the danger from COVID-19 in order to bring down Donald Trump’s presidency.

      Those are the troubling findings from a study published last week by researchers at the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

      Yeah, the Annenberg PPC has such a track record of objectivity. Also buried way down in the article is this gem

      This survey was done in early March, so its findings may or may not accurately reflect how media sources affect Americans’ current views about COVID-19. Also, the study was observational, so it can’t prove that the news sources were directly responsible for the respondents’ knowledge (or lack of it) regarding the virus.

  11. Banjos

    Testies 1,2

    • straffinrun

      *Looks down* Got em both. Morning.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Already did my morning check. Thanks.

    • Tejicano

      Good morning’ Banjos!

      If you’d counted to 3 I would’a had some questions…

      • Festus

        Sloop is rather… fertile?

      • Banjos

        Mornin’

  12. Animal

    So, in reply to a couple of comments on yesterday’s installment of the Allamakee County Chronicles:

    I talked to my publisher (Mrs. Animal) and she’s willing to put together an e-book and hard copy edition of the Allamakee County Chronicles, Vol. 1 based on what I’ve written to date. She’s going to reach out to a couple of illustrators to embellish the work some. It may be some months, but it looks like this is happening.

    • Suthenboy

      Finally, some good news. I look forward to that.

    • Tonio

      Wonderful news, Animal. Congrats.

    • Festus

      Nice! You have a fine writing voice.

    • Fourscore

      Have her hurry, for reasons. Thanks to the Animal family

    • WTF

      Excellent! I love your stories.

    • Ozymandias

      Yahoo!! The People’s bitching voices have been Heard!

  13. Donation Not Taxation

    ‘South Dakotans throw a parade for Gov. Kristi Noem, who refused to shut down their state
    Breck Dumas
    7h

    Quite a difference from the governors across the nation facing protests’

    • straffinrun

      Good on the SDaks.

    • UnCivilServant

      I’ve figured out I have to drive to New Hampshire to safely shop for groceries without the risk of getting hassled.

      Luckily that’s only two hours away.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        If you’re feeling cooped up a nice drive, or even a not nice drive, can be just the thing.

    • straffinrun

      Sorry. Excerpt:

      Everything we supposed was true about our lives was smashed under foot, enforced by new police states that sprang up around us, while the media urged even more stringent controls and the US president foundered in endless press conferences and shifting policies, while the US Congress threw away many trillions in tax dollars. Practically overnight, we were reduced by states to sheltering animals with only the privilege to go to the grocery store to snag our next meal to eat at home, while otherwise having our liberty and property being slaughtered by governing officials

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      “I sense my typical asocial personality is growing anti-social.”
      Welcome to the club.

    • RAHeinlein

      Sobering read – thanks for the link.

    • Trigger Hippie

      I feel it too. I’ve grown increasingly hostile over the last few weeks towards my countrymen in general due to so many of us being more than happy to comply, snitch, and wreck the lives of others for an illusion of safety. I’ve even caught myself openly sneering at some people in public for their behavior. It’s getting kinda out of control.

      • Festus

        I flashed the high beams at on-coming traffic tonight because there was critters on the road and some asshoe trucker gave me the full blaze for three hundred yards. “We’re All In This Together!”

      • Trigger Hippie

        Huh. Around here we flash our beams to let traffic coming the other way know that a cop is running radar on the side of the road.

      • UnCivilServant

        Around here a high beam flash means something’s wrong with your headlights.

      • Rhywun

        Or “your high beams are on, stupid”.

      • Trigger Hippie

        Or “There’s a hook-handed man in your back seat!”

      • Mojeaux

        Yup. I wonder if that’s a midwest thing.

        OTOH I have begun using it on slowpokes in the fast lane. Thry don’t seem to get it or they can’t see my lights because thry aren’t paying attention.

        Worst thing: Having to get somewhere quickly then being stopped at the same light with the guy you left behind 3 miles ago.

      • Trigger Hippie

        In the KC metro, one out of every ten people on the road seems to think there’s no such thing as a passing lane or for some bizarre reason speed up when you try to pass them. I can’t explain it.

      • Mojeaux

        speed up when you try to pass them.

        THAT!!!!

        WTF?!

        OMG.

      • Gdragon

        Even friends. There are many people that I know/like that I am basically avoiding at this point. I’m afraid they’ll say something that will leave our relationship permanently damaged.

    • Q Continuum

      “In the course of a mere three days in March of 2020, most of that was taken away from us. Government executives took over without the mandate from legislatures or the people. They made a mockery of every slogan from American history: government by the people and for the people, land of the free and home of the brave, sweet land of liberty, and so on.”

      What’s most depressing is that I have said basically this very thing repeatedly to many acquaintances. Probably 20% at best agreed. The rest had reactions typical of what we’ve come to expect: “Well we had to do *something!*”, “It’s an exceptional situation and it’s just temporary.”, “We really should listen to the experts.”, “So I guess you think having a job is more important than people dying?”

      I never had much faith in humanity to being with, but this episode has torched what little was there.

      • AlmightyJB

        ^^^This!

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        Government executives took over without the mandate from legislatures or the people.

        This one irks me a little but because it implies that a populist movement doing the same things would be A-OK. Fuck that.

        This is wrong because it treats people like children or like a herd of cattle, not as self-owning moral agents.

      • Q Continuum

        Completely agree. But that’s so far off the reservation to most people you might as well tell them you’re from Mars. The concept of *inalienable* rights; as in, cannot be taken away under any circumstances, is now completely foreign and absurd to the overwhelming majority of the population. Even people who claimed before the Kung Flu to be libertarian I hear arguing that the lockdowns were too comprehensive or needed legislative intervention or whatever else; never touching on the fact that ANY compelled State solution would be immoral.

        So we’re left with some minority of people (25%? 30%?) who reject this because it was done by fiat. The actions of a single omnipotent executive is still repulsive to a fair number of people. But I’m guessing the number of people who would reject the same if it were done legislatively or by plebiscite would fall to low single digits. That’s how far we’ve fallen from any concept of personal liberty. Your countrymen would almost universally be gleeful to see you in chains given the right set of circumstances. Treat them accordingly.

    • leon

      I felt very much like that at the beginning (see my “Why i’m not taking the coronavirus seriously” article). While still disappointed, I’m trying to maintain a feeling of bonhomie towards my fellow man.

      • Q Continuum

        “I’m trying to maintain a feeling of bonhomie towards my fellow man”

        I’ve never been able to do that in the first place. This episode has made me feel vindicated.

    • Tundra

      Brutal.

      Watching my kids struggle with this stupidity is rage-inducing.

  14. JD is Unemployed

    Mornin’ Banjos. Have a mornin’ banjo.

    This is probably a hyper dee-oh-ex-ex risk to myself here but that guy playing the banjo lives fairly local and apparently his wife up and died a couple weeks ago (not Wuhan flu) so pour one out on the curb for him and his dearly departed because he’s on his own now and I can’t imagine how shitty it is to go through grieving by your lonesome while stuck under the national house arrest.

    • Banjos

      Mornin’, that’s heartbreaking.

    • Trigger Hippie

      Sneak over and slip him a bottle of booze or some weed or something. If nothing else, the gesture will probably lift his spirits a hair.

  15. Not Adahn

    When I have to make a second pot of coffee before 8:30… on a Tuesday…

    It’s going to be a long gorram week.

    • UnCivilServant

      Did you get the email I sent last week?

    • PieInTheSky

      How much is a pot? I use 20 grams of coffee for about 250 ml of water for my standard v60 pot.

      • Not Adahn

        Got it. Got the masks. Need to get to a post office.

      • Not Adahn

        Would it be cowardly to enter the post office wearing a normie mask, or just good common “don’t want to get arrested for a federal crime” sense?

      • Not Adahn

        Yeah. I started wearing it to be belligerant, but kpet wearing it becaue it seemed to entertain people.

        Since everyone is being so nice about it, I really don’t want to make anyone’s life more difficult by putting them in position of having to take action.

      • UnCivilServant

        My mask arrived, but it’s too shiny and I’m trying to figure out how best to tone that down.

      • Not Adahn

        About 1.25L

      • PieInTheSky

        that is an unnecessary amount of coffee.

      • Tejicano

        Kinda like he brought two horses too many?

      • Not Adahn

        Most days, you would be correct. Today is not one of those days.

  16. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Another COVID 19 Death

    A top emergency room doctor at a Manhattan hospital that treated many coronavirus patients died by suicide on Sunday, her father and the police said.

    Dr. Lorna M. Breen, the medical director of the emergency department at NewYork-Presbyterian Allen Hospital, died in Charlottesville, Va., where she was staying with family, her father said in an interview.

    Tyler Hawn, a spokesman for the Charlottesville Police Department, said in an email that officers on Sunday responded to a call seeking medical assistance.

    “The victim was taken to U.V.A. Hospital for treatment, but later succumbed to self-inflicted injuries,” Mr. Hawn said.

    Dr. Breen’s father, Dr. Philip C. Breen, said she had described devastating scenes of the toll the coronavirus took on patients.

    “She tried to do her job, and it killed her,” he said.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      You’d think she would have seen sickness and suffering before. Maybe not being able to interact socially outside of work due to the shutdowns were what done it. Who knows really?

      • Fourscore

        “Buddy, have a drink”

        Always seems to break the social barrier.

    • PieInTheSky

      There was a case in Russia where a hospital manager died after falling from the 5th floor after an argument with the authorities… Although in Russia the fall may have been accidental not suicide.

    • R C Dean

      “She tried to do her job, and it killed her,”

      I thought she killed herself.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Nobody chooses to commit suicide in this post-responsibility era.

    • Q Continuum

      “Well, she was already unstable and would have killed herself anyway so no biggie.”

      /lockdownista

  17. Florida Man

    I can’t post comments from my phone without difficulty with the site, but I’m still reading and checking in even if I’m not posting.

    • PieInTheSky

      I can post comments from my phone but choose not to.

  18. Tres Cool

    sup ya’all
    mornin’ banjos

    • Banjos

      Mornin’

  19. PieInTheSky

    SO the official covid data for Romania:

    11616 total officially identified cases, 650 dead, 243 ICU cases, 3521 cured. 277 new cases identified today. 150100 tests done.

    About 75% of deaths were over 60, 25% under 60. About 87% of deaths had at leas one other identified serious disease.

    Bucharest, where yours truly lives, at a population of about 2500000 people has 1222 officially identified cases.

    Make of that what you will.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      On one hand, he’s ragging DeBlasio…on the other hand, he’s being a Karen. They can both get bent.

      • R C Dean

        Meh, holding the rule maker to his own rules gets a pass from me. Even approval, if it’s a protest against the rule and the entitled hypocrisy of Our Masters.

      • Drake

        If I saw Phil Murphy taking a walk in the park, I would consider it heroic restraint to limit my reaction to heckling.

      • Rhywun

        See my comment below – they’re not breaking any rules.

      • Drake

        How did all of NJ end up with worse rules than NYC? Amazing what a dick-head the blue-machine picked to rule us.

      • Rhywun

        Greater percentage of Karens.

      • WTF

        Who along with the public employee unions elected governor fuckstick Murphy.

      • Not Adahn

        Inferiority complexes provoke extreme actions to compensate.

      • Ozymandias

        I think the only way we get any relief is if the cops enforce the lockdown rules on our betters – hard. If I were in a position to influence that… say giving legal advice to some high ranking cop, I would strongly suggest – to include using jedi mind control – that the boys in blue stake out the nice neighborhoods and make examples of every single media member’s, influencer/celeb’s, or public official’s relatives and crush those little shits. See how long the orders last after a couple dozen get harassed. Of course, we know how that would play out, but if you could find some cops with the stones to do it, that would be the way to get these things changed.
        Or… maybe the smarter way would be to stake out the judges’ family and friends and then have someone file in their court. Theoretically speaking, of course.

      • Fourscore

        “Do you know who I am?”

      • UnCivilServant

        “Someone who can afford the fine.”

    • Rhywun

      “Come on you won’t even open roads for people of all backgrounds.”

      Far be it from me to defend Mr. De Blasio and his wookiee but… wut?

      Parks are not closed, roads are not closed. “Nonessential travel” is not a crime. They are not doing anything that is currently unconstitutionally “prohibited”. Mr. Karen is full of shit.

    • AlexinCT

      You fucking philistine! She is one of the aristocrats, and we all know the rules only applies to the plebes!

  20. Rhywun

    Biden’s promise to hook up with a female is looking more and more like an unwise decision.

    Thanks for today’s music link, Banjos. I love that song so much.

    • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

      The Trump campaign ad writes itself. A montage of creepy Joe moments, overlaid with audio of talking heads addressing the creepiness, growing in velocity until it breaks into a quiet clear final clip of Joe announcing that his VP will be a female.

      • Trigger Hippie

        If Trump ran an ad showing a montage of Biden groping children set to the music of George Michael’s Father Figure I just might vote for the silly fucker.

    • Banjos

      Mornin’ Me too.

    • AlexinCT

      And by “Hook up” you mean some creepy hair smelling & finger banging?

  21. Suthenboy

    On Barr and civil liberties violations: I am guessing that states governors consulted in some way with the state department before issuing their lockdown ‘orders’. Little to nothing will be done because the SD cant without implicating themselves.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      At least they’re being put on notice that there’ll be some pushback if they go too over the line or if they continue the measures after the justification passes. Better than nothing maybe?

      • Suthenboy

        The justification (flattening the curve) has already passed.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        That’s the old justification, the new justification is…What the hell is the new justification?

      • R C Dean

        Shut up and do what you’re told?

  22. PieInTheSky

    Could bringing Neanderthals back to life save the environment? The idea is not quite science fiction

    https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2020/apr/27/could-bringing-neanderthals-back-to-life-save-the-environment-the-idea-is-not-quite-science-fiction

    This is one of those titles in the Guardian that makes me go what the hell and click

    Lets see

    As British author Robert Macfarlane has observed, these uncanny emergences or “Anthropocene unburials” are part of a larger process of unsettlement and unhinging. As human time and geological time collapse into one another, the deep past is erupting into the present all around us with terrifying and uncanny consequences. – what the fuck does that mean?

    . What was fixed is now in flux, what was settled is being swept away faster than we can save it. – what the everloving fuck was ever fixed on this planet?

    Nor is it just the past that has become unstable. The climate emergency is unsettling our future as well, erasing what we thought was certain, what we thought we knew. – ah yes my certain knowledge of the future erased just like that

    I mean who writes shit like this?

    • Not Adahn

      Bringing back the Neanderthals instead of the Denisovans? Ugh. Such racism.

    • Suthenboy

      Commies.
      If you have dog shit between your ears…..

    • robc

      If you are non-African, you are about 2% Neanderthal.

      • PieInTheSky

        I have 233 genetic variants that can be traced to the Neanderthals according to 23andme

      • UnCivilServant

        Fiendish appropriator! Give them back.

      • JaimeRoberto Delecto

        Mine’s bigger. I have 240.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Mine’s bigger

        I assume you’re talking about your forehead.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Some have got to be more than that, just look at Gerard Depardieu. There are a lot of people out there that look kind of like that.

    • Mojeaux

      People who only know how to pad out a paper, not write anything of substance in it.

    • Rhywun

      Marxists don’t do “flowery” very well.

    • Pope Jimbo

      You libertarians are so anti-Neanderthal it makes me sick! You are so Pro-Magnon that I can’t even listen to you.

      • Don Escaped Sarcasm

        I refuse to cave to your sense of humor

      • Trigger Hippie

        I take exception to being piltdown in such a manner.

      • leon

        No homo, but that joke made me kinda erectus.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Well I don’t care what you want. I love low brow humor.

      • Bob Boberson

        He does wield it like a club.

      • bacon-magic

        You are just hunting for comments. Swiss will be gathering all these up soon. *widens brow ridge

      • Agent Cooper

        His jokes are so old they are pre-hysterical.

    • JaimeRoberto Delecto

      Reminds me of stuff Agile Cyborg would write.

  23. leon

    I’ve thought about it more, and that link only sinks it, I really don’t think Harris will get the VP slot. She cast the die early in the race and It would seem that she bet wrong. she thought Biden would go down easy (like everyone did) and it isn’t happening. Biden’s campaign manager would have to be absolutely awful to even allow biden to select her.

    • Bob Boberson

      I’m thinking it will be the DNC that hands him his marching orders. What other WOC is there? Tulsi is unpersoned, Liawatha outed herself as a fraud, Maxine Waters is so stupid she might not be sentient, nobody on the Squad is stable…….who am I missing?

      • Don Escaped Sarcasm

        marching orders

        Come on guys * pounds the WHO votes WHERE * drum

        take a look at the 2016 electoral map
        think to yourself: what moves the needle

        The VP was never going to come from a blue or red state: purple states move needles. Biden has one rational course: to undo Trump’s running the table on the purple states.

    • Not Adahn

      Not enough HAES enbys of color to be Marvel.

      • straffinrun

        BTW, you asked about why they write “hormone”? Nobody I asked new why, but it’s always spelled like that when written in English. It should be “horumon”. A mistake made long ago that just stuck is my guess.

      • Not Adahn

        Thanks. I always wonder about those sorts of discrepancies.

        I’m pretty sure I’ve already mentioned this, but there is a management system/fad called “5S” supposedly from Japan that is called that because the five principles all start with S… in romanji. They don’t start with the same kana.

        And don’t even get me started with gratuitous Japanese in the bladesmithing/sales world.

      • R C Dean

        If it’s the Lean 5S, then it works in English. Can’t remember the 5 words starting with “S” because I never got much past the third one.

      • Tejicano

        It’s actually 5 Japanese words with Kanji which would start with an “S” if written in Romaji – seiri (整理), seiton (整頓), seisō (清掃), seiketsu (清潔), and shitsuke (躾).

      • straffinrun

        Thanks. Had no idea what he was talking about.

      • Tejicano

        I’ve had to sit through training sessions on that stuff in the original lingo. Surprisingly, the guy who gave to course (my manager at this time) made it more interesting than you would expect.

      • Not Adahn

        So what is the system called in Japan then?

      • Tejicano

        5S

      • Not Adahn

        huh.

      • Tejicano

        It’s not like Japanese have no concept for Romaji. They do the exact same thing with the 3 K’s – Kitanai (dirty), Kurai (dark), Kiken (dangerous)- descriptors for the worst types of jobs. Not unusual at all in Japanese.

      • Shpip

        Kiken (dangerous)

        Must’ve picked up that idea from one of the other Axis powers during the War.

      • straffinrun

        They wouldn’t have the same katakana because “S” has サ,シ,ス、セ、そ to make the sound depending on the vowel that goes with it.

      • Not Adahn

        Yes, which is why “5S” wouldn’t make sense as a name (yon se yo shi?). Which means the the origin story is possibly a fib.

    • Drake

      Needs a different angle where they are all in line for unemployment because those “heroic” nurses and doctors did “elective” surgeries like hip replacements.

      • Florida Man

        A lot of surgery staff did become unemployed because they shut down non-emergency surgeries. The docs in my group took an 80 percent pay cut and the CRNAs are at under 50 percent. We’re doing only “essential” Surgeries is the only reason we have any income at all.

      • The Other Kevin

        Both my sisters are heroic nurse practitioners who have been laid off. They still cash in on those hero discounts and hero shopping hours though.

    • Q Continuum

      No offense to individual health care workers (except for the counterprotesters, they can go fuck themselves), but aren’t these people just doing their jobs? Why are they heroes for showing up and doing exactly what they’re paid to do?

      It’s like giving the Medal of Honor to a soldier because he shows up and does what his CO tells him. You give the Medal of Honor to people for going far above and beyond the call of duty to great risk of life and limb; I don’t see any of that from these people. You chose a stressful career, stop expecting to get sucked off for it.

      • Drake

        I’ve always thought the whole hero worship thing we have is bullshit – even when I came home from the Gulf War and people were saying it about me.

      • Tundra

        I was on a flight out of Norfolk and ended up sitting next to a soldier. The flight attendant made some flowery speech about all the service members on board and then led a round of applause. The kid next to me just looked over and rolled his eyes. So I bought him a beer.

      • Chipwooder

        I know most people who say things like that do it sincerely, like my dad. It’s harmless and well-intentioned. That said….yeah, it gets silly. I never needed anyone thanking me for anything.

        I do maximize those Veteran’s Day freebies though. Not gonna lie there.

      • leon

        Calling any collective group of peoples “Heroes” is silly, because it will always end up catching shitty actors and placing them in “Hero” status.

      • Rhywun

        It’s grotesque. To me, a “hero” has to be someone you know personally.

      • Florida Man

        its Coming from Admin in my system. The regular joes like me just want to get back to work.

      • Bob Boberson

        There is an article in there somewhere. Heroism is dead. It’s been watered down to the point that it’s a meaningless word, like racism or freedom. Heroism used to mean an act of complete selflessness, an act against one’s self interest for the love of others or in service of a higher principle. Now the most meaningless, effortless gesture is considered ‘heroic.’

        I’m sure there is more than a casual relationship between heroisms degradation and the waining love of liberty in this country.

        /begins mulling over next submission I probably won’t get around to

    • wdalasio

      Maybe it’s just me, but I’d be more impressed if they had the liquor store clerk, the supermarket cashier, the pizza delivery guy, and the lady who works at my local cigarette shop.

      • Q Continuum

        The prostitute that still sees clients.

      • PieInTheSky

        Masks and rubber gloves… Point is, a certain subset of escorts are more suited to these trying times.

  24. Tundra

    Good morning, Banjos!

    I hope you are well.

    I’m happy for Texas, but it just makes me angrier about what’s happening here.

    Scott Johnson has been doing a great job of monitoring the numbers in MN.

    Power Line: “Referring to the 286 total deaths to date, I note that every decedent under age 70 has died in long-term care or similar setting. The youngest person to die outside long-term care was in his 70’s. Why is it necessary to close the schools and shut down the state to protect the at-risk population?”

    Click over for the bureaucrat’s mushmouth response.

    Kids, we may be fucked.

    On a bright note, that’s probably my fave FF song. Nice choice!

    Well, get out there and get it done, people. Have a great day!

    • Q Continuum

      Tundra: My Titty Tuesday lynx today are right up your alley.

      • Tundra

        Boy, I’ll say! Nice collection there and not a phony sultry face to be seen.

        Thanks, Q!

        Oh, and 12 wins.

    • Banjos

      Mornin’

    • Incentives Matter

      At least someone in your alt-media actually got to ask a pertinent question. The media in Canada (and certainly Edmonton where I live) don’t seem to think it’s their job to ask politicians or Chief Medical Officers the tough questions — they’d rather just give Our Moral and Intellectual Betters™ a comprehensive tongue-bath. Useless sacks of crap that they are.

  25. PieInTheSky

    It was supposed to be an act of solidarity with Muslims fasting during Ramadan but a local Lib Dem councillor has been forced to apologise after tweeting a photograph of bacon. Cambridgeshire county councillor Ian Manning was taking part in Saturday’s Lib Dem Iftar, where members of the party shared their experiences of fasting before meeting up via Zoom to break their fast with an Iftar meal at sunset. Before his day of fasting, Mr Manning shared a photograph of bacon and boiled eggs, and tagged the Muslim Council of Britain with the caption: ‘Up early to start my fast for #LibDemIftar! Really not sure I’ll get through to the evening but we’ll see!’

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/27/lib-dem-tweets-picture-bacon-solidarity-muslims-fasting-ramadan-12616236/?ito=cbshare

    A non muslim keeping Ramadan out of solidarity with muslim is well if not in fact the dumbest of virtue signalling, pretty damn dumb.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      It’s being obsequious on the worst level.

    • Suthenboy

      There is so much stupid all around there I don’t know where to start.
      I suppose when you have nearly 67 million people living on an island barely the size of a medium state in the US collectivism is inevitable and collectivism breeds ‘tardation.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        It isn’t unique to England. I used to work at a medical research center in the South and the Muslims there would keep Lent and the Christians would adhere to Ramadan. I just chose to ignore them all which got me tut tutted a fair amount but screw all of that.

      • leon

        Sounds like unwoke cultural appropriation.

      • PieInTheSky

        Well I understand there is plenty of room in England for a lot more immigrants

    • bacon-magic

      Mmmmmmm bacon.

    • Toxteth O’Grady

      ? Doh!

      Ramadan sounds like hell; dangerous, even. Not even sipping water during daylight?!

      • PieInTheSky

        It is funny when athletes say it does not affect their training at all.

      • Tejicano

        No sipping water during daylight? Well, OK. But I think I’d be three sheets to the wind by 3 PM.

      • PieInTheSky

        What was also amusing was the plight of Muslims in northern Scandinavia when there was a loot of daylight.

      • Swiss Servator

        They was not a lot of productive work going on, and lots of squabbling in 2004 when I was in Afghanistan. Of course, one shop keeper invited me to have a tea and chat….I said something about Ramadan and he said “pffft, mullahs.” And rolled his eyes.

  26. PieInTheSky

    Earlier today I went to the store and as I walking in a white man held the door open. I asked him if he thought holding the door open for a black woman made up for centuries of his ancestors making sure black women had no doors or avenues to success. He was stunned silent.

    • Florida Man

      I take things that never happened for $1000

      • Florida Man

        Also, it’s a parody account.

      • PieInTheSky

        it is not a parody account it is a troll account there is a difference you know

      • PieInTheSky

        Dr McCockiner is a bit of a troll. Although his area of expertise is in sports.

      • Tejicano

        Really? I’m sure somebody out there has the Family name “My cock in her”

      • PieInTheSky

        that is why he changes often

    • hayeksplosives

      What a cunte
      .

    • UnCivilServant

      If he was “stunned silent” it was at the speaker’s racist stupidity.

    • PieInTheSky

      What I am not sure about McC is if the many tweets about lebron being better than jordan are also an elaborate troll or his opinion

    • Drake

      Does she think things that happened centuries ago make it alright to act like a bitch? Does she want racism and discrimination? Because that’s how you get it.

      • Agent Cooper

        The account’s name is Barry McCockiner. Read it slowly.

    • JaimeRoberto Delecto

      It was better without the link. I think you try this in Bucharest.

  27. Florida Man

    County-by-County Status:
    The Central Florida case counts include 266 from Brevard, 127 Flagler, 223 Lake, 1,339 Orange, 470 Osceola, 441 Polk, 367 Seminole and 440 Volusia.

    Florida Status:
    The Florida Department of Health reported 32,138 total cases with 5,010 hospitalized and 1,088 deaths.

    We have 65 cases in my 11 hospital system. I say it is time to open up, but close the border to New York, but I’ve been saying that for years.

    • Jarflax

      close the border to New York

      *looks at map

      *looks again

      • UnCivilServant

        He means the airports and blockade NYC so no boats get out.

      • Incentives Matter

        Plus machine-gun nests every hundred yards along the entire border, with shoot-to-kill-with-extreme-prejudice orders.

        Can’t be too careful!

      • UnCivilServant

        Be careful what you wish for, the difference between a fortress and a prison is the direction the guards are facing.

      • Florida Man

        This guy gets it. I want Escape from New York to be a documentary.

  28. Scruffy Nerfherder

    BIL works with a woman whose father is a meat broker who handles the Lidl and Aldi grocery store chains.

    Word is the forecasted meat shortage is very imminent.

    • Q Continuum

      You mean shutting down large parts of a supply chain can cause disruptions in the supply? How could we have known!

      • leon

        We have had a string of really Bad Luck around here lately.

      • Suthenboy

        ^This X 1000^

      • Ozymandias

        Remember when Ozy mentioned about the city folks looking down their noses at their fellow citizens in flyover states? And predicting that there could be bad times if the 2% of the populace that feeds the other 98% ever decided to say “fuck it”? Remember how badly received that comment was? Well, I admit I was wrong…
        As it turns out, in Bisarro world, the folks in the cities actually found an excuse to shut down EVERYONE. And pretty soon we’re going to run out of the existing stocks and there aren’t going to be more coming. So, we may get to where I talked about, but now it’s going to be what the commie progs always dreamed about – all equal in misery. Except of course for the “essential” people.
        Interesting times are coming.

    • PieInTheSky

      wait you have Lidl in the US?

      • Mojeaux

        I don’t believe so, no. SN said the dude was a meat broker.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        East Coast yo.

      • Mojeaux

        My bad.

      • PieInTheSky

        Damn. I hope any shortage stays in the US and does not make it’s way to Europe.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Quite a few in the Mid-Atlantic

      • PieInTheSky

        Do they have Argus beer? How much does it cost, if so.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Don’t know, but I’m headed there today and will find out.

    • Mojeaux

      Exactly why I scrambled to get a freezer and stuff it to its gills with meat.

      One can live without bread. Few people can or want to live without meat.

      • PieInTheSky

        I am doing the opposite now, I expect restrictions to lessen and am trying to use up what I have frozen in March

      • Mojeaux

        A couple of meat processing plants have closed down now. Farmers are having to dump their crops because they can’t get them to markets that don’t exist. It’s going to get bad (and expensive) in the coming weeks. I’ll be getting flour and yeast when I take XX to work today.

        I really hate baking bread, but I will if I mist.

      • PieInTheSky

        mist – my mother has this spray with water and sprays the bread fresh out of the oven to get a better crust

        Apparently 200 Romanians working a slaughterhouse in Germany are covid positive…

      • Mojeaux

        That’s interesting. If I am forced to baking, I may try that. Some people put an egg-yolk wash over theirs. I only do that with a danish.

      • Incentives Matter

        Misting the bread when you put it in the oven will also help develop a crust — at least, that’s the way baguettes work.

      • UnCivilServant

        Give it a baking soda bath

        /pretzel rolls

      • Tejicano

        No time for it myself but I like to know what goes into my bread so I have a bread machine.

        Unmixed, whole wheat and nothing else anymore.

      • Banjos

        #MeToo

    • straffinrun

      It’ll be blamed on Corona Capitalism.

    • PieInTheSky

      Let’s all go vegan for the rest of the year

      • straffinrun

        All soy and I’m in.

      • PieInTheSky

        can you find tofu in Japan?

      • straffinrun

        LOL. Tofu 豆腐 .

    • Tundra

      My local butcher had everything last time I went. Are they able to buy direct?

    • RAHeinlein

      We are boycotting Tyson – their gross negligence just screwed a lot of people.

      • PieInTheSky

        Mike Tyson? Tyson Chandler?

      • Swiss Servator

        Yes. Especially Tyson Chander.

        /Angry Bulls fan

    • Not an Economist

      I’ve read — although I can’t find it now — that the meat shortage is overblown at least for now. Apparently we have record amounts of meat in storage. Poultry has a fairly short time frame to be harvested. Pork is longer and beef is pretty much indefinite.

  29. PieInTheSky

    Has Boris had a sickbed conversion?
    Brushes with mortality can dramatically change political leaders — and not always for the better
    BY Tom Holland

  30. The Other Kevin

    Yesterday the wife read to me a list of 5 or 6 local restaurants that are going out of business permanently. Some of them have been around 10+ years. Shit’s getting real.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      People don’t realize that many viable small businesses just barely exist on the edge of solvency. Big business really is going to be the winner in all this and it’s a shame. I hope you like chain restaurants.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        And then these same people will complain ‘too many KoRPaRashiNS!’

      • Drake

        I hate them. They seem to think a huge dose of salt can cover for crappy ingredients and poor preparation.

      • robc

        Some of the chains are going to go down too. And franchisees are basically small local businesses.

        The good news is that real locals are relatively cheap to open, and rent is gonna be cheap. Also, used equipment is already becoming available. if you had been in planning stages with plans to open this fall, you can get steals on restaurant equipment.

        I was at an art store (the kind of thing that sells paintings and such not supplies) and ended up in a conversation with the owner…she bought almost all of their inventory from other stores going out of business sales. I bought a ripoff of Van Gogh’s Irises.

      • Don Escaped Sarcasm

        We’ll see. Solvency is primary *pounds the no-debt drum*, but it’s not something big business is necessarily good at.

        That aside, the question is whether markets will be allowed to work. Of course, government is picking winners and losers: that is clearly wrong on many levels.

        But the market remains nonetheless. That empty store front with the ovens and fixtures? Guess what: at some level, the owner will be forced to rent it to somebody, probably a somebody who thinks he can make pizza as well as the next guy.

        If I’m wrong, it’s because the economy collapsed. That is to say, there isn’t an economic future possible where there will be Chilis but there won’t be a Joe’s Corner Italian.

      • robc

        The way to last forever is to own everything outright. Own the building, own the equipment. Minimize fixed payments.

        Of course, this is unrealistic for most small businesses, but it is also why most fail. I am speaking from experience here.

        There are two major failure points:

        1. You don’t make enough to cover fixed expenses.
        2. You don’t make enough to make it worthwhile to continue.

        My first business, #1 was a small problem, but it was still an issue. But eventually, I decided #2 was the issue and sold out to my partner (He has continued on, he is making a good living with the money we were splitting before).

        My 2nd business was hit hard by #1. Mistakes on my part that I couldn’t overcome. So, while we could pay our fixed expenses, it just didn’t leave enough to even try to conquer #2.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        My fixed costs are $16 000 per month.

        I had one choice, inject personal capital (financed by debt) to keep afloat which was risky because I had no idea a) when we would be allowed to open by our tyrants and b) how long it would take to get the business going again. Sure, enough the government opened us open May 19 but with conditions. I can only operate at 30% capacity and progressively move from that point. They also will be forcing people to wear masks and gloves (which I will absolutely not do because that hurts my immune system) It’s so stupid by it’s arbitrariness it’s embarrassing people like this live near me.

        But as it happened, the government decided to send me a check to cover the costs and the Feds offered a loan program which I took in case.

        I got lucky but my flow of my life and business has been altered. And who knows how much debt I’ll have to take on. And then comes the parents. They seem ok according to our survey. I hope they’re strong enough to realize Covid wasn’t an existential threat.

        Many businesses weren’t so lucky.

        All bull shit. All of it.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        That’s true. But the undo and unseen destruction of this forced bankruptcy is a negative. When wealth is lost it never comes back. You can’t say ‘we’ll make it up!’ When a business is forced to close this means loss of jobs, income, rent and so on which has an immediate ripple effect that erases wealth and prosperity. It disrupts the economy and that ‘vacuum’ is the unseen as Bastiat spoke of.

      • Idle Hands

        Don’t worry Rufus you won’t need to tell people I told you so. They’ll get it. This is going to fuck over so. many. people. They just don’t see it yet. Bankruptcies are going to go all year.

      • Not Adahn

        “All restaurants are Taco Bell.”

      • Rufus the Monocled

        You inspire ‘Joy-joy feelings!’

        Most prescient movie ever.

        I feel like Edgar Friendly more and more every day.

      • Idle Hands

        Edgar friendly was a communist compared to how I feel right now.

      • Tejicano

        It seemed so over the top at the time. Now I’m wondering how the three shells work.

      • Idle Hands

        There’s going to be real blue chippers that go out of business too. Walmart, Home Depot, Uhaul and Amazon might be the only stocks of value when this is all over.

    • invisible finger

      Restaurant margins are not that great, most of the markup is on alcohol.

      • Nephilium

        That’s what’s caused some of the locals here to give up trying to subsist on take out orders only. They were making more of their money by people showing up to drink, not ordering food.

    • straffinrun

      As long as the big banks get bailed out and mortgages get paid, the price will have been worth it.

  31. Rufus the Monocled

    “Representative Bailey’s decision to go to the courts is an insult to all Illinoisans who have been lost during this COVID-19 crisis. It’s a danger to millions of people who might get ill because of his recklessness,” added Pritzker. “Disasters don’t evaporate on a 30-day timeframe. Legislators took this into account when they wrote this law. We will fight this lawsuit to the furthest means possible.”

    I’m at the point I do hope politicians contract this thing and get real sick – or worse. They’re completely and insanely ignoring the growing secondary social malaise that is making these cures worse than the disease.

    We’re run across the board by idiots save a few here and there.

    You know, by isolating people you’re WEAKENING their immune system. Micro-Biology 101: Eat dirt.

    People should be engaging in civil dissidence FULL STOP. There is NO SCIENCE backing this up. None. Zero.

    • leon

      I know that politicians are going to use whatever they can in a political fight, but there is still a part of me that wishes that they would realize that what they are saying is “How DARE that man challenge my authority!?”

    • PieInTheSky

      I am curios what the total yearly death rate will be compared to normal years. While many old and sick clearly died of covid, how many would have gone anyway in a few months?

      • Rufus the Monocled

        ‘Like, a lot’ Rufus The Obvious Science Duh guy.

      • Incentives Matter

        Pie: the following link might go partway to answering your question:

        https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1254461322353393666

        This is a researcher looking at “excess deaths” during the COVID government-manufactured crisis in various countries.

      • PieInTheSky

        well as I said yearly

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Unless I’m misreading it, he seems to be saying Covid is an existential threat – the people in the thread certainly have views we don’t share here.

      • Incentives Matter

        You’re mis-reading it. The implications of the research is that the lockdowns in many countries are in fact the cause of the observed spikes in “all-cause” mortalities. I understand why you’re getting the opposite impression — I had to read through more than a half-dozen responses plus the OP’s counter-reponses before I realized the implications.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Ah. Got it. Get it. Thanks.

      • WTF

        So, no data from Germany, or the US, or other countries that don’t support the narrative.
        Got it.

      • Incentives Matter

        Which narrative? The entire thread’s dedicated to the excess deaths arising from stupid, incompetent, ham-fisted government intervention. If anything, legacy media will do their damndest to ignore this research, because it makes their heroic politicians look like they’ve got no-shit blood on their hands. If Germany and the U.S. (ferinstance) have actually managed to avoid all of the excess deaths due to lockdowns, that’s a good thing for those two countries. Yet it doesn’t change the thrust of what the researchers are finding, that governmental responses to COVID in many countries are themselves killing people in excess numbers.

      • WTF

        The narrative that the WuFlu is some sort of special existential threat which justifies all of the government bullshit and control?
        I didn’t really think that was under debate.

      • Incentives Matter

        It’s not under debate. It’s not the narrative that they’re even talking about.

        It’s another (uncomfortable) observation for those who support that narrative, i.e., the researchers are discovering that the lockdowns themselves are causing excess deaths in many places around the world (and they’re not being accounted for by TPTB in those places). Their discovery actually argues against the idea that COVID’s a special existential threat.

      • WTF

        From what I can find there seems to be no excess deaths compared to most years. And it’s worth noting that seasonal flu deaths have basically disappeared.

      • WTF

        It doesn’t have the US, which is what I was talking about.

      • Incentives Matter

        But it assists in arguing the counter-narrative, which is that lockdowns themselves are an existential threat (and the deaths they’re causing aren’t being accounted for or even, in many cases, acknowledged). That the lockdowns in the U.S. aren’t having this effect in the U.S. appears to be a fortunate accident.

      • R C Dean

        I’m starting to see a few people asking about excess deaths. It’s still a bit of an estimate, but much harder to game. Part of the issue is you need to pick a time frame – I think year to date is as good as any, maybe start March 1 at the latest.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        The difficulty is also going to be the apples to oranges comparison of flu to covid on transmission profile (I’m sure there’s a technical term for this). Basically if covid burns hotter and faster than flu, it’s gonna look worse in the short term, but will even out when you compare the year over year differences.

      • Don Escaped Sarcasm

        actual incremental deaths will get trumped by WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED without GOVERNMENT in the national debate anyway

  32. Pope Jimbo

    What could go wrong with this plan to “save” a neighborhood?

    City officials are considering several proposals intended to preserve Excelsior’s character that could also give it the toughest residential zoning regulations in Minnesota, a move that could deter new development.

    One proposal includes a powerful review board that could reject proposed construction it deems inappropriate. Case-by-case consideration is needed because “zoning ordinances really don’t address all the unique situations,” said Bruce Noll, a Planning Commission member who sat on the review board design committee.

    In other words, “we are tired of writing ordinances that you fuckers find ways around”. Now everyone will need to bow and scrape.

    • PieInTheSky

      Why do you people hate good architecture?

      • UnCivilServant

        Assumes facts not in evidence.

      • PieInTheSky

        if it were up to you lot everyone would be living in hovels

      • UnCivilServant

        What’s that got to do with architecture?

    • RAHeinlein

      Shorter version – Boomers complaining that people came in a built bigger houses on Lake Mini Beef Taco?

      • Tundra

        Bingo.

      • wdalasio

        Actually, I don’t think they’re the ones pushing this. The people in the smaller homes are objecting, it sounds like. It sounds like its the people in the bigger homes trying to inflate their home prices and drive down the price of the older lake-front properties.

    • wdalasio

      If I’m reading that story correctly, it’s even more obscene than you suggest. It’s using the law to effectively rob smaller (and presumably longer-term) property owners. Under the scheme there’d be restrictions on new large construction. So, the guys with McMansions would have the only game in town for large homes. But, the smaller homes, by the lakefront, can no longer have the prospect of being replaced with new, larger homes. So, their resale value is hurt. Gee, I wonder who’d be the market for those smaller homes when they come to market at deflated prices?

  33. The Late P Brooks

    According to my model, you people have to do as I say

    Seven coronavirus models show US deaths from coronavirus will keep rising in the coming weeks. But how sharply the death toll rises depends on how much “contact reduction” Americans practice, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
    The models estimate the forecast numbers of cases and deaths on the state and national levels, and one model from the University of Texas at Austin makes metro-area projections.
    “State-level forecasts vary widely, reflecting differences in early epidemic phases, timing of interventions, and model-specific assumptions,” the CDC says.
    Models that factor in strong contact reduction suggest new deaths will continue to occur, but will “slow substantially over the next four weeks,” the CDC said.

    “Conversely, models that do not incorporate as strong contact reductions … suggest that total deaths may continue to rise quickly.”
    One model frequently cited by the White House coronavirus task force has upped its predicted death toll again, this time projecting 74,000 Americans will lose their lives to the virus by August.

    Models. Models!

    *kicks chair across room*

    According to my model, the world is teeming with chickenshit cocksuckers.

    • leon

      I love when you point out that the Models were vastly overestimating the deaths and some will come back and say “well they aren’t there to predict the future!”. WTF are models for if not trying to predict outcomes? Why didn’t you guys say that when every governor made decisions based off your models?

    • Pine_Tree

      First thing everybody should learn about modelling, and which they should repeat to themselves all the time: “All models are wrong. Some are worse than others.”

      • Tundra
    • WTF

      Seven coronavirus models show US deaths from coronavirus will keep rising in the coming weeks.

      Well no shit, since it’s a running total, the number can’t possibly decrease, even if there is only one additional death in the next month it will of course rise. This sort of reporting is specifically designed to frighten the ignorant into compliance.

      • Don Escaped Sarcasm

        I saw some front-line doctor interviewed on New Hour last night: five minutes of posture with not one scintilla of data. Every opportunity to be objective was forgone in favor of an emotional narrative that was, essentially: I’m very important and not getting the attention and resources I need.

      • JaimeRoberto Delecto

        Unless all the dead are Mexican guys named Jesus.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Yeah, I’m sure that deaths will rise after lockdowns are ended. But again, that is going to happen whenever you end the lockdown. It isn’t like the virus will get confused when bars are closed and die completely out.

      The deal was supposed to be that we’d go into lockdown for a couple weeks so we could marshal the medical resources that would be needed to handle the surge in cases. You got a month. Now it’s time to handle that surge.

      • wdalasio

        So much exactly this.

        The irony is that this is precisely the justification used by the lunatics who want to try to shut the country down until there’s a vaccine.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        Cynical me sees it playing out this way… The early movers see a spike in cases and deaths (as expected). The later movers get nervous and extend the lockdowns. We end up with a largely political split between open red states against the media and closed blue states.

  34. Mojeaux

    Okay, y’all know we’re going to be moving to a rental (HALLELUJAH!) in a few months.

    I think, but have no actual reasoning behind it, that residential rents are going to come down. Please can someone tell me if I am wrong/right and why?

    • Toxteth O’Grady

      Broke ex-renters moving in with family?

      • Mojeaux

        Not quite what I was thinking. I was thinking about foreclosures and the demand going up, therefore creating a shortage of rentable places, which means prices will go up (contradicting my gut feeling), yet landlords don’t want to rent to people like us at all (not even when they have lots of cash for several months of upfront rent and a couple of co-signers). If all those foreclosures happen then people won’t be selling their houses. Yet if foreclosures flood the market, flippers and landlords will be buying and flipping/renting, flooding the market.

        It could go either way, so I don’t know how to reason this out.

    • UnCivilServant

      I actually think Rental rates will go up as people who’ve had their livlihoods crushed have to abandon their houses.

      • The Hyperbole

        But with millions dead think of all the empty houses, supply is going to be well ahead of demand. Housing glut = cheap rent.

    • Tundra

      Looking at rental history suggests that it stays relatively flat, even during/after a crash.

      But who the hell knows – we’re in ‘unprecedented’ times, dontchaknow.

    • Jarflax

      Doubtful unless things get really really bad. Paradoxically rents tend to rise during bad times because rental demand increases as fewer people can buy homes and more people lose their homes to foreclosure.

    • Don Escaped Sarcasm

      down

      It depends on what your definition of the word is is.

      It’s one thing to speculate about the short run market fundamentals, and it’s another to wonder what a dollar is worth and how hard it is to get it. The question of the real (adjusted for inflation) cost of living is is anyone’s guess.

      For example, with the trillions flung at every market in the past 12 years, how have we not had inflation? Notice that the SP500 unwound precipitously: the acute virus fear was required to trip it into assessing its own bubble. The same might happen with real estate; it might happen with dollars. That’s question 5 I asked last month.

      • R C Dean

        For example, with the trillions flung at every market in the past 12 years, how have we not had inflation?

        I am completely baffled. My crude understanding is that inflation involves both the amount and velocity of money. As either goes down, you get deflationary pressure, I think. Perhaps the increase in the amount of money is offsetting a decrease in velocity? “Slow” money is usually a sign of an economic downturn.

        I dunno. Just can’t wrap my head around it.

      • Incentives Matter

        Back in the 80s, when I first started studying economics and finance, there was much puzzlement/handwringing amongst the Tall Foreheads that the financial markets’ performance appeared to have become decoupled from the underlying “real” performance of the firms which the stocks supposedly represented. I regard this phenomenon as the starting point for an understanding of “financial” versus “real” inflation in my own mind.
        The financial markets are largely the recipients of all the excess liquidity being pumped into economies worldwide, leaving the amount of liquidity chasing actual goods and services largely unchanged (at least in comparison). Thus, stocks, now being chased by way more liquidity than in the past, have risen in price (as all “goods” do when such chasing occurs). Since most financial instruments these days are owned by Boomers and near-Boomers, many of whom are throttling back their expenditures in or near retirement, the “leakage” from the financial markets to the markets for goods and other (non-financial) services is more limited than it might otherwise have been during a different time on the demographic curve. Thus, inflation isn’t really rearing its ugly head in the “day-to-day” world inhabited by the Average Jane or Joe (except implicitly in some cases, like food packaging).
        I have no idea if my suppositions are correct, but that’s how I’ve been trying to understand it.

      • Mojeaux

        That…makes sense to me. Thank you.

      • Incentives Matter

        You’re welcome.

        I should have mentioned why I think the financial markets are the major recipients of so much new money (other than the semi-conspiracy theory that it’s because Boomers in governments are trying to enrich themselves) — because it’s much easier for a government bank to buy arbitrary quantities of stocks/bonds (and thus release new money into an economy) than it is to buy arbitrary quantities of (say) sides of beef, or pallette-loads of furniture. It’s even easier to do that than it is to print up 50 million or so cheques and mail them to citizens; faster, too. It’s no wonder that, absent any other considerations, governments prefer to do this.

      • invisible finger

        What do you mean we haven’t had (price) inflation?

        Prices of most consumer goods and services today are 20% higher than 2010.

      • Incentives Matter

        I certainly did not say that. Please refer back to the part where I said ” . . . largely unchanged (at least in comparison [new emphasis mine]).”

        And the financial instruments I “own” (always strikes me as weird when I say that about an intangible) have more than doubled over the same period of time, without any additions I’ve made. Remember, I started thinking about this stuff when the annual inflation rate in the early-to-mid-1980s got as high as 20% per year. 20% over ten years looks like monkey’s nuts to me (it’s around 1.84% per year, annual compounding).

      • Incentives Matter

        Re-reading. I owe you an apology, invisible finger. You were not responding to me, and I effed it up. These old eyes are having a harder time of following the indenting of comments on this site.

  35. The Late P Brooks

    One proposal includes a powerful review board that could reject proposed construction it deems inappropriate. Case-by-case consideration is needed because “zoning ordinances really don’t address all the unique situations,” said Bruce Noll, a Planning Commission member who sat on the review board design committee.

    We’re not going to let you build any old thing just because it complies with the rules.

    *That’s a popular sentiment in Bozeman, as well.

    • Swiss Servator

      Struck down as the textbook definition of “arbitrary and capricious”…

  36. Nephilium

    So unrelated to all the other shite going on. I’ve made it through my first playthrough of XCOM Chimera Squad. It took me about 20 hours, to complete, which considering it was $10, seems worth it. The replayability seems fairly high as well, as there’s 11 total characters, and you only get to select up to 8 of them in a playthrough. There’s also three different groups to investigate, which have different decision points when you’re doing the investigations, and you can investigate them in different orders.

    The breach system has some interesting options, the fully voiced characters aren’t bad (some of the barks do get repetitive). The game does move away from the clearing the last enemy on the map to getting your entire squad to an evac point (which leads to an issue where you’re disabling people to arrest them, but are leaving the map). The animated cut scenes were most likely done in order to get the game out quickly. There’s a couple of graphical bugs I ran into, and the game crashed a couple times through my playthrough. Overall, I recommend it if you like XCOM and XCOM 2.

    • Rhywun

      Only baby-murderers would consider opening schools.

      • UnCivilServant

        So Planned Parenthood is in favor of reopening schools? Got it.

      • invisible finger

        Horace Mann, for example.

  37. Rufus the Monocled

    From Reason:

    “It’s not about your health.

    When the State tells you it’s safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it’s not about your health.

    When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it’s not about your health.

    When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems an abortion visit is safe, it’s not about your health.

    When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it’s dangerous, but allows personal lottery ticket sales, it’s not about your health.

    When the State tells you it’s dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make-up done & hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it’s not about your health.

    When the state puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health – it’s not about your health.

    When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor for chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential – it’s not about your health.

    When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting – it’s not about your health.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE… If you think any of this BS is about your health, you’re
    a fool!! Please open your eyes & stop being lead like blind sheep.”

    Amen.

    I would add to the point about abortions, when the government shuts down Church services and religious celebrations but leaves abortion clinics open.

    This has been one of the greatest abuse of civil liberties in my lifetime.

    In Italy, the South is still in lockdown despite the fact the cases have been TINY from the beginning (I was in Rome/Naples in March). In Calabria where my father was from – 1000 cases. My mother’s family comes from Molise…..296 cases. Lockdown. The South has about 25 000 cases in roughly a population of 20 million if we go with the Kingdom of Naples as the demarcation Mezzogiorno line.

    But apparently we’re “following the science.”

    I want to know what’s going on? Is it blind stupidity? Something more nefarious?

    How did we arrive, with all our apparent knowledge and wisdom, to allow our fears of a virus to the point of QUARANTINING THE HEALTHY AND SHUTTING THE DOWN THE ECONOMY?

    • PieInTheSky

      doesn’t lay off a single government employee – that is one of the appeals of being a government employee

      allows personal lottery ticket sales- in Romania one of the first things closed was the lottery

      When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor for chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential – To Be FAIR, liquor is more essential than quackery

      I would add to the point about abortions, when the government shuts down Church services and religious celebrations but leaves abortion clinics open – well again, to be fair 🙂 , abortions cannot really be delayed.

      This has been one of the greatest abuse of civil liberties in my lifetime. – true

      How did we arrive, with all our apparent knowledge and wisdom, to allow our fears of a virus to the point of QUARANTINING THE HEALTHY AND SHUTTING THE DOWN THE ECONOMY? – the precautionary principle is a bitch.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        The PP as a means to an end crosses into evil.

        A close friend works for the government on the investment side of things. He comes from the private sector. When talking about the stupid #CanadaTogther quarantine concert where musicians sang stupid songs feigning solidarity, he said, ‘Everyone should share the pain FINANCIALLY. 20% pay cut across the board. Take that 20% and fund whatever programs invented for this unnecessary shut down’. I added, then we’d see just how ‘together’ we’d all be.

        At least no one sang ‘Imagine’ apparently.

      • R C Dean

        How did we arrive, with all our apparent knowledge and wisdom, to allow our fears of a virus to the point of QUARANTINING THE HEALTHY AND SHUTTING THE DOWN THE ECONOMY? – the precautionary principle is a bitch.

        The lockdown, of course, fails to pass the precautionary principle.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      For those interested here’s the breakdown by region:

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/1099375/coronavirus-cases-by-region-in-italy/

      One of the big problems according to my buddy who follows all things Italy much closer than I do, is early on when the elderly were getting sick they were sent back to old folks facilities – to the extent this happens because in Italy – like in most of the Mediterranean – families look over their grandparents. This exploded the numbers. And then there was early on the ‘padding’ of numbers by recording any death a Covid regardless of any co-morbidity ailments or conditions.

      This happened here in Quebec. 26 000 cases but it’s concentrated with the elderly.

      But let’s shut it all down.

    • wdalasio

      I think it’s some sort of class warfare. The thing is, I can’t really put my finger on what the classes are. It’s not the typical Marxian rich/poor divide. I see people from across the economic spectrum on both sides. It’s a little bit rural versus urban, but that doesn’t seem to capture it all.

      But, the thing is, once I know where someone stands on this, I find I can infer a lot of other things about them.

      • Pine_Tree

        Viewed through the lens of the ongoing Kulturkrieg, the divisions all make sense to me.

      • wdalasio

        Yes and no. There are plenty of conservatives lining up behind the whole “Stay the f**k at home” mantra. In fact, I defriended one on DerpBook over a conversation around the topic.

      • Pine_Tree

        In cases like that, you’re finding out that they don’t have principles. They have preferences. The war is showing what side somebody’s really on.

      • R C Dean

        Same here. This is the expert/managerial empire striking back. They have been challenged by misc. “populist” movements in the US and Europe. They have seized on/manufactured a crisis with garbage models (from academic “experts”) amplified by a media propaganda machine (which fancies itself our moral and intellectual betters). This is all about casting aside the usual restraints on the exercise of power to allow the expert/managerial class to extend and solidify their control.

        This is not a left/right or conservative/liberal thing. The expert/managerial class has plenty of both. This is the so-called elites putting their inferiors in their place.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Like? For me, the line has reveal a sad truth. I see who are easily scared and those not.

        I read that this could be an exercise to figure out the landscape for mandatory vaccines in the future. Of course, this is in conspiratorial circles.

      • Idle Hands

        Many aren’t really scared. This is bullshit social signalling. They are allowed to do what they want to do but the rest of us proles are ruining everything by not locking ourselves in our closets. It’s a divide of middle management office drones whose work is largely paper pushing bullshit and the rest of us who live in reality.

      • wdalasio

        Like?

        It’s hard to pin down specifically. They tend to be a bit grimmer and more “hard-headed”. They tend not to be too disturbed by gallows humor. A little less inclined toward slogans. Explaining why you think something doesn’t offend them (you’d be surprised how many people it does).

      • Idle Hands

        The divide is between those who understand how sales work and how they relate to what services we provide. This economic suicide is a product of so many people whose only value is navigating regulatory and compliance who have actually no idea how whatever business they work for generates revenue.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        My friend, in the government (he’s a portfolio manager), told me of a colleague who asked, ‘Why are companies laying pff people?’

        There’s no comeback for this. All he could think was ‘how did you get this far in this field?’

  38. juris imprudent

    So now we know that Perkins-Coie not only hired a Russian-tied PR agency (FusionGPS) to do the oppo research, they suggested the first tie between Trump and Russia. You heard it hear first, Sid Blumental will be very near the bottom of this, since down in the scum is his natural environment.

    • Fatty Bolger

      Oh, more than that, they were also in the middle of the supposed DNC hack and bringing in Crowdstrike:

      April 29, 2016
      Emergency meeting after discovery hack
      A secret committee is created, consisting of Amy Dacey (CEO DNC), Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (chairperson DNC) and Michael Sussman (Perkins Coie, DNC’s law firm responsible for hiring Fusion GPS / Christopher Steele to investigate Trump).

      A reconstruction by the New York Times asserts that the DNC hired CrowdStrike that same day “to scan its computers, identify the intruders and build a new computer and telephone system from scratch”. Within a day, CrowdStrike identifies the Russians as perpetrators of the hack.

      CrowdStrike confirms receiving a phone call from the Democratic Party “at the end of April”.

      Within 24 hours, CrowdStrike had installed software on the DNC’s computers so that it could analyse data that could indicate who had gained access, when and how.

      Of course, we can tell from the dates of the emails that were actually stolen much later than this, on May 25th. Weird how the emails were stolen well after CrowdStrike had set up shop inside the DNC, huh? Almost like it was an inside job, and the supposed Russian hackers weren’t responsible for the major email leak after all. Then a couple of months later, some kid who worked at the DNC who was a big Bernie supporter got killed in a robbery where the thieves didn’t take anything. Even weirder, huh? I’m sure it’s all just one big coincidence.

  39. leon

    Ok. I’m pretty pissed with IHME here. I know this is all automated and so they aren’t looking at this, but they do not need to have automated recommendations. that is just malfeasance.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/utah

    I’ve been following the Data and we should have been hitting death peak around now, but the “peak date” keeps getting pushed to the right. You know like if a curve has been flattened, or (as i suspect in this case) the death count is so low that the data being given to the model is just noise.

    What does IHME say? After July 7, 2020, relaxing social distancing may be possible with containment strategies that include testing, contact tracing, isolation, and limiting gathering size.

    GO FUCK YOURSELF. That isn’t relaxing anything. That is exactly what we have been doing. This is insanity. waiting till the 4th of July to do anything. quite frankly giving automated recommendations like this is borderline fraud.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      What’s bothering me is just the raw numbers don’t justify any of this.

      I truly hope the average person will wake up and understand that Covid is the flu in terms of fatality rates. If it spreads, it spreads. But to be fearful of it is pure panic.

    • Pine_Tree

      I’ve been tracking GA’s numbers daily and comparing to IHME, and IHME has openly goosed the projection numbers up on several occasions. The “actuals” are the state’s 12pm reported deaths for previous 12 hours, usually. In several recent cases, they’d take the last day before a projection and “borrow” the evening numbers as well, to put another half-day on the most recent “actual” and nudge it up to make a spike. In one case early, when reporting was really low, they just baldly made up 2 fantastically high “actuals” that never had any connection to state reports. And even beyond that, the projections part is visibly unmoored from actual trendlines.

      • Pine_Tree

        And just looked at this morning’s GA update. New GA actuals entered on this one for April 22-26 don’t have any connection to the dataset they were using (and manipulating) for the previous entries into the model.

        If they wanted to really do actual day-of-death, GA has it now, but that’s not what this is coming from either.

    • R C Dean

      What I love about the IHME charts is they put their bias right there on the page. Look at the range to the right and the dotted line “most probable” prediction, compared to actual to the left. Even after they correct for the actual data, their predicted range and probable is ridiculously weighted to the upside. The probable line has to go vertical from the actual data to keep from saying “this is basically over already”.

      This is not an exercise in trying to predict accurately. And its right there on the page.

      • R C Dean

        One other thing – IHME used to show this being done by the end of May. Now they have pushed it out into June. Why they would have done so, I don’t know. If, as at least one study shows, this thing can’t tolerate heat and humidity, then it should go away “on schedule” for other coronaviruses and the flu. But somehow, now it won’t?

  40. Evan from Evansville

    Thank you all of you for your birthday wishes!

    My mom said “You are the age of Christ…” which I thought was particularly “funny” since “Uh…that wasn’t exactly the best year for him!”

    It’s been a trying year and I thank my family and especially Kylie for being so able to help me go through this difficult stretch. It means so much and I always try to get back on my feet. Plenty of people have it worse. Onwards and upwards!

    • robc

      It may not have been the best year, but he had a good friday.

      • Jarflax

        We had a good Friday. He did not. He had a good Sunday, but the Friday was very bad.

      • robc

        thatsthejoke.jpg

    • UnCivilServant

      Just think now you can say you’ve accomplished something Alexander the Great failed to do – Live to 33.

      • leon

        Conquer Persia, Become Pharaoh, Live to be 33. Pick two.

      • Evan from Evansville

        Fair enough! I’ve never killed or tried to kill anybody either!

        Existence has tried its damnedest to kill me about ten times to no avail. That’s a good winning percentage on my part, certainly. But it doesn’t help that I’ve put myself into those situations a shockingly frequent amount of the time. This Sunday’s incident with me being stupid with worn out knees and slipping and falling and busting my head on the pavement was my recent attempt at foiling my ability to survive.

        I did pull some muscles and cut myself open, but thankfully the left side of my skull nearly the full impact than the right side which had the surgery. There was a bit of overlap and part of the skull bones that still aren’t perfectly fused took their fair share, but the wound is definitely on the side that didn’t take the brunt of the car that struck me.

        If I had fallen on the other side it would likely have crushed all of those bones and undone all the healing that has thus far mostly pushed them back into place. They still have lines and divots that are easily felt. But they mostly stayed together.

        That opened my eyes up to how fucking reckless I can be. Time to dramatically change everything.

      • Ozymandias

        Evan. Dude. Dooood.
        Listen, I take risks most people consider excessive, but even I know when it’s time to just chill for a while.
        You’ve got a partially cracked egg on your shoulders, Holmes. Right now is R&R time. I don’t know what you did to cause yourself to fall – I’ve been in and our of threads lately – but you’ve got to slow down, mon ami. Right now should be some time spent taking leisurely strolls, or light exercise (at most). No skateboards, no roller blades, any of that shit – fuck man, let your skull mend itself. We’d all like to hear about your continued adventures, but not ones that involve head trauma.

    • R C Dean

      Well, to be fair, you also came back from the dead. So you’ve got that going for you.

  41. The Late P Brooks

    How did we arrive, with all our apparent knowledge and wisdom, to allow our fears of a virus to the point of QUARANTINING THE HEALTHY AND SHUTTING THE DOWN THE ECONOMY?

    I have been pondering that, up here on the Tree of Woe.

    Suspect Number One would be the schools. We, western society, have somehow or other killed off the very notion of nuance. Everything is either/or, now.

    good or evil
    one or zero
    plus or minus
    life or death
    truth or fiction
    yes or no
    god or demon
    with us or against us
    RIGHT or WRONG

    Not so long ago, there were people who rudely derided President Boooosh as a Manichean simpleton who could not comprehend subtle distinctions. Now, it is a treasonous folly to even suggest any person or thought might be some sort of complex mixture of positive and negative potential effects. The notion of a balanced weighting of non-optimal alternatives has been banished from polite society.

    This virus must be treated as 100% lethal, because suggesting that there might be some (distasteful, to be sure) path we might trod in which many competing interests, each of which may have an adverse effect on some other party, must be balanced? That’s hard. Too hard for the Manichean simpletons who infest our State Houses, not to mention the cretinous thumbsuckers in the “press”.

    • ruodberht

      Disjunctions are inclusive.

    • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

      Education Media Community = Culture

      Community (including Family) has been reduced in influence over the last 50-75 years, and Education is the single biggest influence these days.

      Until and unless the Education and Media industries are wrestled away from progressive authoritarians (and not ceded right back to right-wing authoritarians), culture is going to be filled with unthinking useful idiots.

    • Drake

      If you didn’t have a TV or internet, would you even know a “pandemic” was raging across the country? (people wearing the stupid masks maybe…)

      I haven’t seen people dying in the streets. I know a few people who tested positive – had a cold for a few days then were fine. My Mom knows some old ladies who died in a nursing home, where old ladies die of something all the time.

      • Tejicano

        As far as I know, nobody I know has caught it yet – and that’s counting a couple people who live in China and a couple dozen people living around the Far East. In my immediate social circle nobody even knows anybody who has caught it. This sure is one stealthy pandemic.

    • The Other Kevin

      I’ve been pondering this for a long time. When I took my kids to group therapy, and we learned about cognitive distortions (i.e. faulty or emotion-based thinking). One of the cognitive distortions is “black and white thinking”. In your mind you see things as one way or another (usually with made-up distinctions), when in reality life is always more complicated than that.

      Our current political situation is nothing but black and white thinking. You either love or hate Trump. There is no room for “I like some things he does, and don’t like other things he does”.

      I think this comes from the Internet. It started with the Like button. You can’t kind-of like something, or see some good and bad. It’s black or white. Then social media came along, and just created echo chambers that force people into one camp or another. Try to go on Facebook or Twitter and take a middle ground stance on something. It won’t end well.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Here’s what’s frustrating about this.

      We get accused of seeing things black and white from the black and whiters.

      A buddy of mine who, shall we say, has accepted the official narrative, claims I was ‘lacking nuance because people are dying!’ when in fact he couldn’t shake himself of the indoctrination he accepted and realize I was being just about as nuanced as can be. I was trying to explain to him notions of ‘secondary social ills’ as a result of our decisions and that those decisions seemed to be based on really suspect data; that the unintended consequences and unseen were going to rear its ugly head. How could we ignore the damage (some of it permanent) done to people caught in the collateral damage?

      Where he saw it as a utopian ‘must save every life’ (which is bound to leave one in emotional tatters because it’s just not possible to achieve this), I was looking at the ‘macro’ implications of our actions.

      I was thinking for EVERYONE.

      But somehow I lacked nuance.

      • leon

        I don’t think your friend knows what nuance means.

    • Pope Jimbo

      I’d also suggest that we have been so rich, well fed and safe for a long time that we can’t handle risk levels that would have been well within the norm for most of history.

      The first hint of this was the growth of “FOR THE CHILDREN” movement. Anyone from the 19th (and at least the first half of the 20th centuries would have been baffled by the idea that you could save all the children. They were happy when 4 of their 8 kids reached adulthood.

      Our factories and farms also used to be a lot more dangerous. But along the way, we got so rich that we were willing and able to pay more for products built in safer factories.

      We also used to have generations of people living in the same houses, so kids all saw grandparents get old and die. It was natural. Those old geezers now live by themselves or in a nursing home safely out of sight.

      We have done such a good job of keeping death at bay and out of sight that when something new like this pops up, we are totally unprepared for it. The specter of death scares us so much more than it did 100 years ago that we are willing to listen to anyone who promises they can keep us safe.

      • Don Escaped Sarcasm

        brilliant summation

        I’d add, as I always do, vaccines and airbags. Americans, at least, think that they now have a right to live to be 100, and, if they don’t, somebody somewhere is responsible and should be sued. For that matter, they think that they shouldn’t so much as limp on their 100th birthday.

      • grrizzly

        For years I’ve been thinking that the relatively new attitude that children have to be supervised now at all times (unlike what it was when we grew up) will lead to something truly horrendous. I thought that the sudden rise of the SJW culture was that awful thing. But the mass psychosis triggered by the coronavirus seems like the worst consequence–by far–of that widespread attitude.

      • Chipwooder

        Indeed.

        It truly is astonishing to contemplate the sea change in a generation or two. My mom told my wife a story recently about when we first moved to Virginia when I was a kid. The day we moved in, to keep me from getting in the way, my dad told me “Go find some kids to play with”. So I dutifully walked down the street for a while until I did find some kids. I didn’t come home for hours, during which time my parents didn’t know where I was exactly. I was seven years old at the time. My wife was aghast – how could you let a second grader just walk off by himself?? But that was completely normal in the ’80s, and for ages prior. Back then, in the summer, I’d leave the house in the morning and wouldn’t come home until it started getting dark. That was routine. My friends and I would play baseball in a vacant lot, or hang out around 7-Eleven drinking slurpees and playing Galaga, or build forts in the woods using scrap wood and nails we’d scavange from construction sites. All of this was when I was in elementary school, and virtually no kids have that kind of freedom today.

        No wonder they’re scared of their own shadows.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        or build forts in the woods using scrap wood and nails we’d scavange from construction sites.

        15 years later, we had cops called on us and a bunch of passive aggressive letters from the HOA on the other side of the woods.

      • Tundra

        Must be geographic. The woods here are full of forts and routinely feature airsoft wars.

        Only a couple of Karens in my neighborhood.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        When my father moved us from Montreal into the suburbs 30 minutes north of the city (which was seen as totally crazy back then) in 1976, I was four years-old. Our house was separated by fields from the next neighbour. My mother – who was kinda a nervous nelly – let me go outside and there in the fields I met a French-Canadian kid. He spoke French and me Italian.

        Hours in the fields to the point our parents had to come get us.

        I still talk to him to this day.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        This.

    • Tundra

      Yes. Edging into the actual ‘hero’ category, there.

    • Drake

      Our “leaders” are furiously fapping to this article.

      • Chipwooder

        And that appalling article the Atlantic ran praising Chinese censorship policies and advocating the same in this country.

  42. wdalasio

    I think I might have to go buy a new tie.

    • leon

      One defiant NYC business owner — who’s been deemed “non-essential” during the pandemic — has a message to New York: “I’m opening my doors come hell or high water.”

      Well if his brand of anti-science views keeps control he’ll have to deal with the high water of NYC flooding! /Greta furiously trying to become relevant again

    • Michael

      “Why is a liquor store essential and I’m not?” Rabin told The Post.

      Because the goal is to turn everyone into slovenly, couch bound alcoholics who are too afraid to ever venture out in public? That’s just a wild guess.

  43. Stinky Wizzleteats

    Hmm, something called JetPack just locked my VPN out of signin privileges here. Can’t say I’ve ever seen that before.

    • Mojeaux

      JetPack is powerful WordPress plugin (that I don’t use) that contains a constellation of functionalities that bigger sites (meaning, with a ton of traffic) pretty much have to have to manage everything.

  44. Stinky Wizzleteats

    Interesting, it looks like the greenies are pissed at Michael Moore for some environmental movie he produced and just released that’s antibiofuels and solar and wind energy:

    https://youtu.be/gYVsGQoWtzQ

    The man’s obviously a right-wing Cato funded nut job.

    • Chipwooder

      His angle appears to be that the green energy industry is largely made up of opportunists rather than true believers. Still, it’s useful to have a leftist pointing out these things.

      • Mojeaux

        He was right about why Trump would be elected and tried to warn the left to change tactics, but he was a non-fan-of-Herself Cassandra and just as shunned.

      • Pope Jimbo

        From what I’ve heard, in a nutshell:

        1) Wind and Solar are bullshit because they are unreliable and have unseen costs like heavy metals, etc, etc. Burning fossil fuels is actually better environmentally than the current pretend green technologies.
        2) The only fix is to have way less people. Green technology won’t save the earth.

        So the old Malthusian solution. There are way too many of us. What is left unsaid is how we are going to get less people.

    • Mojeaux

      The man’s reasoning is often quite on point, but he draws the wrong conclusion every single time.

      1. X is happening and here are the facts.
      2. X is [exactly what the right-wing Cato nutjobs say it is]
      3. ????
      4. Kkkkapitalizm is bad/Orangemanbad

  45. The Late P Brooks

    This guy should be on the podium with Trump

    The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.

    Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.

    Et cetera.

    The whole thing is worth a read. Would especially be worth a read for all the people who will never read it.

    • Suthenboy

      “…worth a read for all the people who will never read it…”

      You cant use logic to convince people whose beliefs are not based on logic.

  46. The Late P Brooks

    Who let this guy in?

    The Federal Reserve has thrown one lifeline after another to businesses, cities, states and consumers to try and keep the economy afloat in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic.
    But people trying to sock money away in savings accounts likely won’t get much help from the Fed.
    When the Fed meets on Wednesday to discuss its latest efforts to help stimulate the economy, it is guaranteed to leave short-term interest rates at zero. The Fed slashed them to that level last month.
    Low rates punish people, particularly older and more conservative investors, who are stashing money in bank accounts, money market funds or Treasury bonds. These vehicles now generate little, if any, in the way of interest income. That’s not going to change for the foreseeable future.

    ——-

    “What the Fed continues to focus on is the stock market. They won’t say that but they are concerned about the wealth effect and sentiment. They react when the stock market pukes,” said Patrick Leary, chief market strategist at Incapital.

    This is particularly problematic since people have been squirreling away more money into savings accounts in the past few months. The national savings rate now stands at 8.2% — up from 7.5% at the end of 2019.
    But investors earn next to nothing in these accounts. According to the latest figures from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC), the average savings account pays just 0.07%. A money market doesn’t get you much more bang for your buck. It pays an average interest rate of 0.1%.
    If rates remain this low, investors (even those approaching retirement who can’t afford to take on as much risk) may have no choice but to buy stocks and corporate bonds in order to generate higher levels of income

    Just wait ’til rates go negative. You think they’re punishing thrift now…

    Borrow borrow borrow!

  47. PieInTheSky

    The Alaska Cod Filet I cooked for dinner was underwhelming. I blame you people.

      • Incentives Matter

        I blame a lack of tasty sauces whose sole purpose in life is to enliven otherwise-boring proteins (like, ferinstance, Tilapia, which is pretty much the poster child for Tofu Of The Sea™).

      • Tejicano

        If/when I buy Tilapia it is to be used primarily as a protein based delivery mechanism for a few spices and chiles.

      • Mojeaux

        ^^^

      • PieInTheSky

        i added olive oil salt cayenne pepper turmeric and some herbs

      • Incentives Matter

        Ah. Then I blame you!  ;-)

      • Trolleric the Goth

        probably wasn’t wearing the correct gloves, what a rube!

    • Drake

      I blame geography.

    • PieInTheSky

      it was also I believe badly frozen it had a lot of ice in it before defrosting.

      • juris imprudent

        So it was trying to be an English salted cod.

    • Don Escaped Sarcasm

      lovely plumage, the Alaskan cod

    • Q Continuum

      Needz moar cunte.

    • Mojeaux

      Hollandaise is your friend.

      So is paprika.

      But I repeat myself.

    • Sean

      I put on my robe & wizard hat…

  48. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Went to Lowes and Costco. It’s nutty out there. Not a single paper product to be found.

    • Incentives Matter

      Boatloads of paper products at my local Costco (went there yesterday). So far no protein shortages, either (I’m expecting those to crop up in the next few weeks). Inexplicably, and like other retail food stores, cheese products are on substantial discount. Only about 20% of the people were wearing masks. When a Costco employee asked me if I wanted a Lysol wipe for my cart, I asked her if the carts had been sitting outside all night.
      “Yes, they have.”
      “Then I don’t need it.”
      “What? Why?”
      “Because COVID’s been demonstrated to degrade on hard surfaces like plastic handles within minutes when left exposed to normal weather.”
      ” . . . oh . . . “

      • Gustave Lytton

        Unless you let the cart handle surfaces sit damp for 1-10 minutes after wiping, it’s not disinfecting per the label anyways.

      • Incentives Matter

        Yep. Most quats need time. It’s all just a variation on security theatre at this point.

      • Idle Hands

        But science.

    • Bob Boberson

      I scored TP for the first time since this started. I got a twelve-roll pack that will last me through June. It was the first I’d seen on the shelves but I do shop exclusively at wholesaler grocery stores.

    • kinnath

      It’s been 5 weeks since I have seen TP at Walmart, Sam’s Club, or Target. Over the last three weeks, I have snagged two 12-packs of Charmin (from my small town grocery store) and a 24-pack of Angel Soft (from my small town Dollar General).

      We’re good for several months, but I still pick up the high-quality TP when I see it on the shelf.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Charmin Essentials and Cottonelle are mostly in stock at local stores here with some generics. No Charmin Ultra Song yet. Or paper towels in anything other than “regular” rolls.

  49. grrizzly

    I’m going to carry the Bill Barr memo and show it to the cops if they stop me for walking without a mask. Wearing one is mandatory in my town starting tomorrow.

      • JD is Unemployed

        I’m down. I mean I don’t have high expectations but then I’ve always been a budget booze kinda guy.

      • Trolleric the Goth

        alcohol always finds a way!

      • robc

        beer never gets better with age

        False. It is rare, but some beers do improve with age.

        Most of them are Belgian.

  50. The Late P Brooks

    Look on the bright side

    Scott Minerd, global chief investment officer at Guggenheim Partners isn’t optimistic about the economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic, and he worries the tepid rebound could lead to a “populist revolt to address massive inequality of income and wealth.”

    Minerd wrote in a Sunday blog post that he predicts there will be no “V-shaped” resumption of the pre-COVID-19 trend of economic growth, and that it will take four years for the American economy to regain January 2020 levels of output.

    “Monetary and fiscal policymakers are pulling out all the stops to keep the economy and citizenry afloat during this crisis…but ultimately we will likely discover that they are insufficient, misdirected and full of unintended consequences,” he wrote. “As this realization becomes clear, we will be nearing the era of recrimination.”

    ——-

    Efforts to help small and large businesses will likewise fail, because they are not taking into account the likelihood that coronavirus and its weakening effect on the economy will be here until a vaccine can be safely and widely distributed.

    “I can’t fault the Fed for the good intentions of trying to do virtually everything in its power in a time of crisis, but the unintended consequences of its policies are considerable,” including propping up companies that aren’t economically viable and preventing the sort of business turnover that is the hallmark of innovative capitalism.

    “My fear is that this policy blunder will have long-term implications for our society,” Minerd added. “The Fed and Treasury have essentially created a new moral hazard by socializing credit risk.The United States will never be able to return to free market capitalism as we knew it before these policies were put in place.”

    Meanwhile the economic effects of the unfolding crisis in joblessness will lay bare the magnitude and unsustainability of economic inequality in America, which will result in potentially destabilizing policy responses.

    Finally, our chains of kkkapitalist servitude will be thrown off. Workers of the world, unite.

  51. The Late P Brooks

    Comment disappeared. I’ll try again:

    Look on the bright side

    Scott Minerd, global chief investment officer at Guggenheim Partners isn’t optimistic about the economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic, and he worries the tepid rebound could lead to a “populist revolt to address massive inequality of income and wealth.”

    Minerd wrote in a Sunday blog post that he predicts there will be no “V-shaped” resumption of the pre-COVID-19 trend of economic growth, and that it will take four years for the American economy to regain January 2020 levels of output.

    “Monetary and fiscal policymakers are pulling out all the stops to keep the economy and citizenry afloat during this crisis…but ultimately we will likely discover that they are insufficient, misdirected and full of unintended consequences,” he wrote. “As this realization becomes clear, we will be nearing the era of recrimination.”

    ——-

    Efforts to help small and large businesses will likewise fail, because they are not taking into account the likelihood that coronavirus and its weakening effect on the economy will be here until a vaccine can be safely and widely distributed.

    “I can’t fault the Fed for the good intentions of trying to do virtually everything in its power in a time of crisis, but the unintended consequences of its policies are considerable,” including propping up companies that aren’t economically viable and preventing the sort of business turnover that is the hallmark of innovative capitalism.

    “My fear is that this policy blunder will have long-term implications for our society,” Minerd added. “The Fed and Treasury have essentially created a new moral hazard by socializing credit risk.The United States will never be able to return to free market capitalism as we knew it before these policies were put in place.”

    Meanwhile the economic effects of the unfolding crisis in joblessness will lay bare the magnitude and unsustainability of economic inequality in America, which will result in potentially destabilizing policy responses.

    Finally, our chains of kkkapitalist servitude will be thrown off. Workers of the world, unite.

  52. R C Dean

    Site was fine at the house on my tablet. Checked in at work on the PC and it is dead slow. Is it just me?

    • R C Dean

      Never mind. Seems OK now.

      • Incentives Matter

        I think it’s network congestion which is coming and going. The site goes from dead slow to “in the twinkle of an eye” with no rhyme or reason that I can detect. And I’m too lazy to constantly send pings out.

    • UnCivilServant

      I has been slow a few times recently.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I see that.

  53. AlexinCT

    Call the fuckers on it Aussies!

    There is no way the CCP is gonna be cool stopping imports of absolutely necessary food supplies and risk the plebes getting ticked at this time. Even they can’t think they can disappear enough fucking people at this time to cower half a billion people (the other billion live in the 19th century and would likely not even realize there are any imports from Kangarooland) that realize their food supply has drastically been cut.

  54. The Late P Brooks

    I’ll try one more time, with this:

    Look on the bright side

    Scott Minerd, global chief investment officer at Guggenheim Partners isn’t optimistic about the economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic, and he worries the tepid rebound could lead to a “populist revolt to address massive inequality of income and wealth.”

    Minerd wrote in a Sunday blog post that he predicts there will be no “V-shaped” resumption of the pre-COVID-19 trend of economic growth, and that it will take four years for the American economy to regain January 2020 levels of output.

    “Monetary and fiscal policymakers are pulling out all the stops to keep the economy and citizenry afloat during this crisis…but ultimately we will likely discover that they are insufficient, misdirected and full of unintended consequences,” he wrote. “As this realization becomes clear, we will be nearing the era of recrimination.”

    ——-

    Efforts to help small and large businesses will likewise fail, because they are not taking into account the likelihood that coronavirus and its weakening effect on the economy will be here until a vaccine can be safely and widely distributed.

    “I can’t fault the Fed for the good intentions of trying to do virtually everything in its power in a time of crisis, but the unintended consequences of its policies are considerable,” including propping up companies that aren’t economically viable and preventing the sort of business turnover that is the hallmark of innovative capitalism.

    “My fear is that this policy blunder will have long-term implications for our society,” Minerd added. “The Fed and Treasury have essentially created a new moral hazard by socializing credit risk.The United States will never be able to return to free market capitalism as we knew it before these policies were put in place.”

    Meanwhile the economic effects of the unfolding crisis in joblessness will lay bare the magnitude and unsustainability of economic inequality in America, which will result in potentially destabilizing policy responses.

    Finally, our chains of kkkapitalist servitude will be thrown off. Workers of the world, unite.

  55. The Late P Brooks

    Or we could, you know, let people work

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday that Congress may need to consider a guaranteed minimum income for Americans as one way to meet people’s basic needs while the country remains paralyzed by the coronavirus pandemic.

    “Let’s see what works, what is operational and what needs attention,” the California Democrat said in an interview with MSNBC.

    “Others have suggested a minimum income, a guaranteed income for people. Is that worthy of attention now? Perhaps so. Because there are many more people than just in small business and hired by small business … that may need some assistance as well.”

    ——-

    More recently, as the coronavirus pandemic has ravaged the U.S. economy and forced more than 25 million Americans to seek unemployment benefits, the idea of guaranteed income has reemerged as a possible way to stabilize the economy and help people meet their basic needs while millions of businesses are under forced closures.

    Don’t worry. What could go wrong?

    • Tundra

      It didn’t even work in Finland, you fucking halfwit.

      Sure, print a bunch more money and start handing it out. What the fuck are people going to buy with it?

      • PieInTheSky

        it was working when the cowardly government quit

      • wdalasio

        That reminds me of a discussion I had with some colleagues last week. We’d just come off a conversation with the economists our firm hires as consultants (they’re Keynesian to the point of advocating for MMT) and the topic was the state of the economy. During the conversation, I basically told the group that stimulus plans, at this point, were a bad joke. You could give me a billion dollars and I really wouldn’t be able to spend much more than I already am.

        There was an awkward silence.

    • PieInTheSky

      and be exploited?

  56. Bob Boberson

    Random pet question. My dog barfed up a screw and what appeals to be some sort of fuse last night. She, even as a puppy, has never been inclined to swallow anything that isn’t food. She had a normal poop this morning and isn’t acting like anything is wrong. Two questions for the dog owners:

    1) Should I still be worried? It seems like x-rays will be difficult to get and expensive with the plandemic going on….

    2) Should I be suspicious of an angry neighbor or random psychopath tried to kill my dog? The only way I think she’d ever ingest something like that is if it was well encased and intentionally put in food.

    • R C Dean

      Dogs clear their digestive tracts in a day. If she’s acting OK and her poops are normal, I wouldn’t worry too much. You might try palpating her belly to see if there is any tenderness. If not, I wouldn’t worry about it.

      As for the second question, I don’t have a clue. Does the screw and fuse look like something you would have laying around?

      • Bob Boberson

        No, the screw maybe but the fuse is definitely something I don’t have around the house or garage. I’m a little suspicious because my white-trash neighbor mean-mugged me as I pulled in the drive this weekend and we’ve never even spoken. I have no idea why. I can’t guarantee she hasn’t snuck over and shit in his yard at some point, but with all the broken bicycles and lawnmowers in his yard I’d doubt he’d notice.

      • Bob Boberson

        And yes, I’ve palpated her belly several times and nothing feels out of sorts and she doesn’t seem to mind.

    • Tundra

      Yikes!

      1) I’d just watch her. My vet is still open, so my guess is you can get the xrays if it makes you feel better.

      2) Of course. People are weird. It’s one of the reasons I don’t let mine run.

      I hope she’s ok!

      • Bob Boberson

        “It’s one of the reasons I don’t let mine run.”

        Yeah. This is the most suburban house we’ve lived in yet, I’ve got green space on two sides that I like to let her explore a little while still keeping track of where she is. She generally stays in the yard and I only let her out for like 10 min intervals but she does sneak off occasionally (an comes back immediately when I call her). I guess all that needs to change, which sucks, she’s a high energy dog that hates confinement. And that’s with a 3-5 mile walk or run every day.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      1) That’s a wait and see issue unless you want to pay for the X-Ray to be certain.

      2) If a neighbor wanted to kill your dog, poisoning it would be a simple task. Screws and fuses would indicate that your neighbor is functionally retarded.

      • Incentives Matter

        Or just a cruel asshole.

      • Bob Boberson

        If you saw what he and his potato-person wife looked like you probably wouldn’t put it past him. Yeah that’s prejudicial on my part but f the shoe fits…..

      • B.P.

        I agree with #2 here (and #1). Feeding a dog hardware is a strange method of malice. Small bits of hardware are commonly found in lawns and such, particularly if there has been some recent construction/maintenance/etc.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Call your vet. I bet they’re probably doing business as usual. Possibly doing “valet” pickup at the door, then call you to discuss results.

  57. The Late P Brooks

    Sure, print a bunch more money and start handing it out. What the fuck are people going to buy with it?

    Victory Gin.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Goods news! Package size has been increased from 750ml to 650ml.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The “more convenient” size

    • Idle Hands

      IS that any good? The amount of tanqueray I’m consuming is starting to impact my bank account.

      • PieInTheSky

        tanqueray 10 i hope

    • Fourscore

      So I’ll be moving on up to Victory, the locals will think I hit a jack pot at the casino, Uummm, Victory, for the win!

      Will all these shut downs encourage the moonshiners to increase production? Will they deliver with a mask so you won’t recognize them? The polizei will be too busy keeping kids out of parks to chase real criminals making Everclear

  58. Idle Hands

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/with-15-new-covid-19-deaths-in-hard-hit-dc-bowser-urges-more-testing/2020/04/22/24c92888-849b-11ea-a3eb-e9fc93160703_story.html

    D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser expressed alarm Wednesday about the harsh impact of the novel coronavirus on the poor, sick and elderly in the nation’s capital, as officials reported 15 new fatalities — including several people who died without being hospitalized.

    Ten of the dead were from wards 5, 7 and 8, the poorest and most heavily African American parts of the city, mirroring a national trend in which blacks have been disproportionately affected. Nine of the dead were older than 80; one was a 100-year-old woman and another a 98-year-old woman.

    The District’s tally of covid-19 deaths is 127, a per capita rate of 18.6 per 100,000 residents that is the highest in the region, according to a Washington Post analysis.

    lmao. This shit is going to make the tsa and 9/11 overreach look like a libertarian moment. Either that or it’s going to become so apparent how stupid and naive this was very quickly. Pretty sure they can’t do this in the post HIV world anyway legally.

  59. The Late P Brooks

    Next stop, Utopia!

    Everyone wants to know when we’re going to get the economy started up again, and just how many lives we’re willing to surrender before we do. We’ve all been made to understand the dilemma: The sooner we “open up” American and get back to our jobs, the more likely we spread Covid-19, further overwhelming hospitals and killing more people. Yet the longer we wait, the more people will suffer and die in other ways.

    I think this is a false choice. Yes, it may be true that every 1% rise in unemployment leads to a corresponding 1% rise in suicides. And it’s true that an extended freeze of the economy could shorten the lifespan of 6.4 million Americans entering the job market by an average of about two years. But such metrics say less about the human cost of the downturn than they do about the dangerously absolute dependence of workers on traditional employment for basic sustenance — an artifact of an economy that has been intentionally rigged to favor big banks and passive shareholders over small and local businesses that actually provide goods and services in a sustainable way.

    ——-

    If we approach this moment of pause mindfully, the post-Covid economy we create could turn out to be a whole lot more resilient than the old one. Beyond exposing the brittle nature of global supply chains, top-down monetary policy, and a vanquished domestic manufacturing sector, the Covid crisis is also unleashing a powerful drive by local and networked communities to rebuild business from the bottom-up. The mechanisms so many of us are now inventing and retrieving under duress may just survive after this crisis is over, and augur a new era of sustainable commerce and much better distributed prosperity. Think local farms, worker-owned factories, and companies for whom the bottom line has more to do with selling products than selling shares of its stock. Their value created by such enterprises isn’t sucked up and out of communities (the way Amazon or mall stores do), but circulates again and again from one person or business to another.

    ——-

    We, the people, may struggle ourselves, but we’re in it together. The mantra for a post-Covid economy must be “make everyone rich.” The scorched earth practices of a Walmart, Amazon, or Uber, succeed only in squeezing their employees, suppliers, and partners dry. Everyone becomes one paycheck or purchase order away from bankruptcy — which renders the whole system brittle. Instead of pushing everyone into a corner and forcing them to take an unprofitable deal (that’s Trump’s The Art of the Deal, in a nutshell), companies should try to make everyone in their marketplace as prosperous as possible. It may seem counterintuitive, but the more wealth there is in a business’s ecosystem, the better that business does, more sustainably — and the more other businesses want to work with it.

    We can all sit in a circle, singing songs and trading handicrafts.

    • leon

      further overwhelming hospitals and killing more people. Yet the longer we wait, the more people will suffer and die in other ways.

      How can you further overwhelm something not being overwhelmed? I mean it’s to the point that NY is giving away ventilators. And unemployment looks to be in the 15-20% range.

      • B.P.

        NY can keep their ventilators. Those things are killers.

    • R C Dean

      But such metrics say less about the human cost of the downturn than they do about the dangerously absolute dependence of workers on traditional employment for basic sustenance

      Well, your lockdown is pretty much killing the small business sector. That leaves “traditional employment” and the gig economy as pretty much the only options. And looky there, you call out one of the big gig economy actors, Uber, as just as bad as the traditional employers.

      The mechanisms so many of us are now inventing and retrieving under duress may just survive after this crisis is over

      What mechanisms? Enhanced unemployment? Are you really looking around seeing some kind of renaissance of small business owners?

  60. The Late P Brooks

    Nine of the dead were older than 80; one was a 100-year-old woman and another a 98-year-old woman.

    Those people might have lived to a ripe old age, if not for the plague.

  61. The Late P Brooks

    More from the Medium expert:

    For their part, small businesses devastated by Covid-19 and looking for ways to dig out from debt or bankruptcy need to consider alternatives to crippling bank loans. They can move instead toward any one of the new models of employee ownership, from Employee Stock Ownership Plans to full Platform Cooperatives. During the last financial crisis, workers of New Era Windows occupied their factory which was being shuttered by the parent company. In a spontaneous act of solidarity, Chicago police refused to arrest them. Eventually, the workers purchased the company — some through sweat equity — and now run it as a co-op. Needless to say, when workers own their company, they are less likely to ruin the communities in which they operate, because they live there. They’re also less likely to consider themselves expendable when the next crisis hits.

    The only ones who initially do worse in such an economy are the banks. As money circulates more freely throughout a community, less new capital is needed to keep things going. Since businesses are no longer required to grow in order to survive, they can focus instead on honing their operations, better serving their communities, and using any efficiencies to generate more wealth for everyone. Such businesses won’t be borrowing as much money, which means banks may earn less interest. But that’s not a bad thing, either. Interest is an expense — a form of drag on real business activity. We don’t want our cars to use more fuel than necessary, either.

    The main principle at play here is what I’ve come to call “bounded economics.” Instead of optimizing our economy and businesses for growth and the extraction of capital, we optimize them for the velocity of money and the circulation of value. In other words, instead of earning $10 once and taking it off the table, we seek to earn one dollar, 10 times. My favorite example of this practice is when the AFL-CIO came up with the great idea of investing their retirement fund in real estate development deals that hired their own union’s construction workers. They made back their own money as salary, while also earning investments in the projects. Eventually, they got the bright idea to invest in the building of retirement communities for their own parents. Triple play.

    See? it’s simple, really.

    • wdalasio

      My favorite example of this practice is when the AFL-CIO came up with the great idea of investing their retirement fund in real estate development deals that hired their own union’s construction workers.

      Financially, that is about as stupid an idea as you can get. When the market turns against the industry, not only is a good portion of the workforce unemployed, but their retirements are devastated. Diversification exists for a reason.

  62. R C Dean

    They can move instead toward any one of the new models of employee ownership, from Employee Stock Ownership Plans to full Platform Cooperatives.

    Oh, now being an employee is a good thing?

    Just where are these coops and employees going to get the capital to acquire and run these businesses?

    In other words, instead of earning $10 once and taking it off the table, we seek to earn one dollar, 10 times.

    The writer is an idiot. There is no other possible conclusion.

  63. The Late P Brooks

    Just where are these coops and employees going to get the capital to acquire and run these businesses?

    The evil kkkorporate owners will just leave the keys on the desk and walk away. No capital necessary. Just flip a few switches, and away you go.