Thursday Morning links of darkness

by | May 14, 2020 | Daily Links | 564 comments

LET’S ROCK!!!

 

Sloopy is sloopin, so Spud is standing in for morning links. I hope I’m doing this right.

 

It’s mind boggling what the temperature is throughout the world. I think this guy knows what’s what.

 

If we can get through all the rancor and rhetoric, good things can happen.

 

I mean after all, we’re the same species. We should be able to come together.

 

It may require some to put their faith in a higher power.

 

But maybe then, justice can begin.

 

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Spudalicious

Spudalicious

Survey says I’m a Paleolibertarian bitches. That means I eat “L”ibertarians for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Soave tastes a little fruity. Wait a minute, that doesn’t sound quite right…

564 Comments

  1. Count Potato

    I am so tired of this shit.

    • Count Potato

      Why the fuck is there a run on water filters?

      • Nephilium

        People building their own stillsuits to go into the dust bowl of virus that is the outside world.

      • UnCivilServant

        People are finding out how little their local tap water tastes like their brand of bottled’s source municipal tap water

      • Tonio

        Which sort? The plumbed-in sort, the pitcher sort or the camping sort?

      • Count Potato

        The pitcher sort. They are going out of stock at $15 – 20 each.

      • Drake

        People normally drinking the filtered water at work?

      • Count Potato

        Maybe. That could also explain shortages at the supermarket. Although I still think some of it is panic buying.

      • Florida Man

        I bought one before the last hurricane in case the water supply was interrupted. I’m not sure why people think their might be a shortage of water. Even if we have massive unemployment, maintaining the water supply should be a fairly high priority.

      • Count Potato

        Also, if there is no water supply, there is no water to filter.

      • Tonio

        I guarantee you that some people think they could use those pitchers to filter the bacteria out of stream water.

      • Count Potato

        That would not surprise me.

      • Mojeaux

        That reminds me. I need to get LifeStraw bottles for our 72-hour kits.

        I had bought N-95 masks for DIY projects and put them in our 72-hour kits, 1 mask per day per person, so I had 12. I did that because I figured no matter what happened, there would be lots of dust involved.

        Those were a lot cheaper than LifeStraws, so I never got any.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Word.

      Open up. It was a colossal mistake. Limit the damages. We already don’t have festivals.

      I want to see Fauci and all the medical bureaucrats in a dunk tank.

      • WTF

        In the stocks, being pelted with rotten produce.

      • Festus

        Fuck that! Drunk tank. A concrete room wherein everything flows to the drain. Stainless steel tap and toilet. No blankeys, no beds.

      • commodious spittoon

        Careful, those places are a death trap. Too easy to get suicided even with all the precautions they don’t take.

  2. Fourscore

    Morning Spud,

    Ya done good on the music, I don’t care what anyone else says

    • Pope Jimbo

      That isn’t what you told me in private Fourscore

      • Fourscore

        Shhhh, Not so loud

  3. Shpip

    We should be able to come together.

    /Suppresses sudden urge to have a Coca-Cola with breakfast.

  4. Nephilium

    No Me First? In these arduous times, I think we can all come together as one and listen to cover bands.

  5. SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

    I’m past the put up or shut up phase on this spy scandal. It’ll shock me if anything ever comes of it.

    • WTF

      ^^This. I expect a lot of talk and expressions of outrage from the Repubs, with no real consequences coming down on any of the major players.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        It’s long been rumored that the reason that Nixon never made a fuss about JFK’s well known election issues in 1960 was because his own malfeasance in other states would have been discovered.

        I think that’s probably the reason nobody wants to make a fuss here.

      • Below Sea Level Hell Centro

        I have this fantasy that there’s a secret society who have pledged their lives to protect the Republic. Soon they will spring into action, pulling all the levers available to them to enact justice. Then I pull myself out of the haze and weep silently.

      • Nephilium

        You mean like the Culper Ring?

      • Ted S.

        More like a cock ring.

      • Swiss Servator

        Like, in a “Kublai Khan” type of way?

        /Coleridge

    • straffinrun

      Not being intentionally dense, but what exactly is illegal about : Top Obama administration officials purportedly requested to “unmask” the identity of former national security adviser Michael Flynn during the presidential transition period,?

      Is the assertion that they would leak it if given the chance?

      • Gender Traitor

        If I understand correctly, you’re only supposed to make an unmasking request if you have a legitimate need to know in your official capacity. At the very least, that many requests by that many people in that short (and specific) time frame sure looks fishy.

      • straffinrun

        “Legitimate need” and as Tonio says below “part of a larger initiative”. No way you’d nail swamp creatures on stuff like that even if it’s obvious to the peons like us. The whole thing will blow over unless some documented straight up, stand alone evidence appears. I’d lock them all up, but I’m just say’in.

      • Q Continuum

        I’m 100% certain it will blow over because it’s such an enormous scandal it would rock the foundations of the country if they actually started prosecuting people. It’s the epitome of too big to fail. Does anyone actually think they’re going to lock up King Zero, Herself, half the Dem House Caucus, a slew of former top Intelligence professionals and a bunch of FISA judges?

        They tried to overthrow the government; that would usually lead to either Civil War or mass executions of the perpetrators. The fact that is hasn’t means no one, including the GOP, wants to rock the boat because the implications are too enormous.

      • AlexinCT

        I’m 100% certain it will blow over because it’s such an enormous scandal it would rock the foundations of the country if they actually started prosecuting people.

        My take is that if they don’t people are no longer going to take the legal system seriously. Yes, the government will use force to do it’s thing, but I suspect many people, myself included, when confronted with that system, will decide the thing isn’t just unfair, but that real action on my own part will have to be taken to punish the system. You can take that last comment as you may. And I doubt I am alone in feeling that way.

        I have already lived in some banana republics in my youth, and have no desire to be in the banana republic team blue’s weaponized government bureaucracy has become, again.Fuck the whole thing.

      • Tonio

        Not sure if the unmasking per se is illegal, but if that was done as part of a larger initiative to do illegal things then it becomes a conspiracy. The absolute best outcome would be charges of treason and conspiracy to commit treason, which is still a capital offense I believe.

        Even though nobody will probably swing for this, the possibility of execution or a life sentence will hopefully cause people to spill the beans.

      • Q Continuum

        Not trying to be hyperbolic here: but this is pretty much the definition of an attempted bloodless coup. King Zero, Hillary and their minions used the state surveillance apparatus to spy, not just on political opponents, but on the incoming winners of a fair election in order to try and sabotage them. Further, the justification for that surveillance (the Steele dossier) was an outright fabrication paid for by the losing political campaign. They then used thuggish tactics and “process crimes” to lock up political enemies with the intention of either pressuring Trump to resign or to manufacture enough public outrage that impeachment and removal would occur. They forgot Trump isn’t a typical spineless GOP cuck, so he wouldn’t resign, but they got impeachment.

        It’s terrifying and IMO the biggest scandal in the history of the nation.

      • straffinrun

        I agree. Let’s hope we have proof a prosecutor, judge and jury will all accept.

      • bacon-magic

        ^^^
        I don’t care if Obama or his cronies get jail time(his * in the history book and fall from grace will be enough), I care about the Deep State getting checked. Letting any sitting Prez do this shit should have not been allowed.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        THIS THIS THIS

        We now know why they are so desperate. They all had their hands in the spying cookie jar.

        I was amazed by the list of people who asked for Flynn’s identity AFTER THE POLITICAL TRANSITION BEGAN. Why does the Deputy Secretary of Energy need to unmask an American talking to the Russian ambassador? Every political appointee chump in the administration was on there. That means it was coordinated and came from the top down.

      • Q Continuum

        It is extremely irregular to unmask *any* US citizen; judges will typically only allow it under very specific circumstances (eg: imminent terrorist attack). 4A (ostensibly) protects US citizens in cases like this and judges are very reluctant to grant FISA requests for unmasking in all but the most extreme cases. Unmasking a political opponent during a campaign? Absolutely insane Banana Republic stuff. And don’t forget: Flynn was one of about 200 Trump associates unmasked.

      • straffinrun

        I’d heard that unmasking requests are commonplace. Honestly, just trying to figure out if Obamagate is a “top men will fall” or “top men should fall”. Seems to be the latter right now.

      • The Hyperbole

        Also it seems like a lot of people think “unmasking” means leaking or letting everyone see the un-redacted document, unless I’m wrong it just allows individuals to see certain redacted names/info on a case by case basis.

      • straffinrun

        Exactly my point: they could explain in weasel lawyer tongue why it was “legitimate” to ask for the info. Proving the intent why the requested it is a tough bar to clear. I pretty sure I know they did it, but I’m not on the jury or a prosecutor.

      • The Hyperbole

        Actually I’m surprised that the Vice President and the FBI head would receive redacted intelligence reports in the first place. Maybe they have to send these out to so many people that catering the redactions to each recipient is more of a pain than just redacting for the lowest level reader and processing all the unmasking requests.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The only valid reasons to ask for an unmasking are as part of a counter-intelligence or counter-terrorism operation.

        Ostensibly, you could see the the following people asking for it, the Director of the FBI, the Director if the CIA, or the Director of National Intelligence. Even then, it’s a 4th Amendment issue.

        Nobody else has any reason to ask except for other purposes.

      • leon

        “Actually I’m surprised that the Vice President and the FBI head would receive redacted intelligence reports in the first place. ”

        The reason they are obfuscated/masked is because the surveillance is of foreigners, and all citizens are supposed to be masked.

      • The Hyperbole

        Thanks Leon, I actually just heard that from a CNN guy so It now makes more sense.

      • leon

        NP. That’s my understanding at least. It’s interesting though because Flynn was under investigation at the time (i think, we’ll need to get a timeline compiled), so i imagine they could have gotten the info directly as part of some law enforcement warrant.

      • straffinrun

        They are masked, but that is exactly how the intel agencies get around the requirement in the first place. Tap Boris in Russia just so you get to listen to Flynn in DC. It’s fucking gross. Ooops, we accidentally heard Flynn! Then you leak it all over DC.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Even Yates, who apparently wasn’t in on the scheme, was freaking out about how much Obama knew of the Flynn conversations and the very shady discussions they had on January 5th before Trump inauguration.

        She and Comey butted heads over Flynn’s FBI “interview” as a flagrant violation of the DOJ’s purview. Only when Comey got fired, Yates got let go for other reasons, and Mueller’s team got put in charge did the DOJ go full court press on Flynn.

      • R C Dean

        These people are all compulsive liars. Getting them to fall into perjury traps should be both easy and cosmically justicey.

      • WTF

        They’ve already got Brennan and Clapper perjuring themselves in congressional testimony, nobody cares.

      • Q Continuum

        See my response above. This goes beyond scandal into treason; which is precisely why no one will fall. No one wants to open that Pandora’s Box.

      • WTF

        And that’s how a country abandons the rule of law and accepts authoritarianism.

      • Bobarian LMD

        I’ve no idea as to illegality of the actual act, but I could see someone building a case for sedition, based on the motivation to undermine a duly elected administration.

        Because orangeman bad.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        This was a massive coordinated political spying operation using the NSA, something that Nixon could only have dreamed of.

        This is the political corruption scandal of the century, at least until whatever Flynn knows gets told after his gag order is lifted.

      • straffinrun

        That’s what I’m waiting for: Flynn to talk. As of now it’s shady AF, but they’re gonna need a lot more to take anybody of consequence down.

    • Tonio

      Thanks, Debbie Downer!

  6. Count Potato

    “But maybe then, justice can begin.”

    Has MSNBC/CNN said anything, or are they just ignoring it?

    Also, nice links, Ted.

    • Ted S.

      My links are *always* nice!

  7. Fourscore

    My cheap Walmart (redundant) watch died, battery, I’m sure. I thought it came with a life time warranty and now I’m in a quandary. Buy a new watch, new battery? Or take it as an omen and wait?

    Then I think, what would UCS do? I’ll go for a battery, easyist, fastest, cheapest. If that doesn’t work,call in my markers…

    • Mojeaux

      Unless you love and adore that watch, just get a new watch. Unfortunately, I love and adore my watch, but I hate throwing things out, so when the battery dies, I pay to have it replaced.

    • Shpip

      You wear a like, clock on your arm? Why can’t you just pull out your cell phone and like look at it if you, like, have to know what time it is?

      /Every GenZ evar

      • Festus

        No. The sneering remark is that “It’s jewelry” by the kid sporting a nose-ring and ear-gauges. The only times that I wear my Seiko are for dress-up affairs or golf. Sure Kid, you are technically right but strategically wrong.

    • gbob

      In the burnt out ruins of the post Moo Goo Flu economy, having a watch to trade for rat meat might be a good investment.

    • Tonio

      Lifetime warranty probably doesn’t include battery.

      • Swiss Servator

        That, or the Wal-Mart hit team will be over to make sure the “lifetime” part ends…

      • Festus

        Now I’m picturing an army of Wal-Mart greeters cresting the hill…

    • Festus

      He’d don his watch-making gloves. He’s a goer!

    • I. B. McGinty

      I would probably just stop wearing it and not giving a shit about time but that’s just me. ?

    • Spartacus

      Replacing batteries is pretty easy as long as you have a couple of tiny screwdrivers. Buy a new battery and change it out. I have a Casio dive watch that is currently on its 4th battery.

      • Count Potato

        Not always. I have a watch wrench. I couldn’t open a watch, so I took it to a jewelers. They couldn’t open it either, so they had to send it out to someone who has one of those machines that looks like drill press.

      • Mojeaux

        Not on all watches. I thought I’d do that but the watch was particularly hard to open (did that), but impossible to close. I had to take it to a jeweler and even he had problems using his vise.

      • Fourscore

        Thanks for the sound advice. I’m gonna do all of the above, should solve the problem.

        I am totally dependent on my watch. I eat at regulated times, Mrs Fourscore knows that I’ll be back at noon and 6 PM. She’ll have the food prepared, sometimes picnic style but I’m not complaining.

        Today looks like a change in spring weather, for the better. Planting time for the cool weather plants.

    • R C Dean

      Battery, in a watch?

      Pish tosh. Real watches have, like gears and shit.

      • Festus

        Mine self winds but if I don’t masturbate at least a dozen times a day it loses a minute.

      • Bobarian LMD

        So far, you’re an hour ahead?

      • Tonio

        They do make battery-powered mechanical watches. I bet all your nurses have those for pulse-taking since they are cheap, durable and accurate. No digital watches allowed for that.

        I’ve never been a watch person but for some reason have started thinking about a “nice” fully analog watch. Not Rolex nice, but not Amazon Fashion.

      • Fourscore

        I have an upscale self winder that I got as a gift from the Mrs 40 years ago but it hardly gets worn. Looks nice though. Like Festus’s, mine is years behind on the date.

      • R C Dean

        There’s a bunch out there. I wear a Christopher Ward nearly every day – good movements, and they have some that are fairly reasonable.

      • EvilSheldon

        I’m a big Orient fan. The Triton is probably my favorite – reasonably inexpensive, bombproof, and looks good with a little wear.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        Seiko checks a lot of boxes. I bought one of the new Seiko5 for a sibling as a graduation gift recently.

        Though there are literally hundreds of watchmakers now with their own “brand”. Which can be fun since they tend to make limited runs so there’s some degree of exclusivity without having to drop $10k.

    • Pope Jimbo

      My cheap Timex keeps on ticking. I think I’ve gotten about 4 batteries and three wrist bands onto it over the years.

      To be fair, I’ve owned other $20 watches before and they’ve never lasted this long. This one is like the John Wayne of watches, it keeps going no matter what.

  8. Shpip

    Listening to that first link got me to thinking: with all the sappy, sentimental crap that he’s pumped out over the decades, why was Burt Bacharach spared the sort of derision that Barry Manilow received his entire career?

    • UnCivilServant

      Because no one remembers he exists?

    • Mojeaux

      A variety of other people performed his work. He was never front and center.

      • Bobarian LMD

        This, song-writer with Hal David.

      • Mojeaux

        IN FACT, Karen Carpenter did his stuff and turned it into solid gold because, well, Karen Carpenter is just that magic. There never was nor ever will be a finer voice on the face of the planet.

        There. I said it. Karen Carpenter is a goddess.

      • l0b0t

        I agree. I would put in a good word for Minnie Ripperton, but her life was cut short before she could really crank out some work.

      • Fourscore

        Strangely, I dialed up Karen last night, sent a song or two to my kiddos. You are right, Mojo.

        She was looking bad towards the end, apparently Richard also had some of his own problems.

      • CampingInYourPark

        I think the beginning verses to Superstar is some of the most beautiful music I’ve ever heard.

        And as much as I hate to say it Barbara Streisand “Evergreen” is high on that list too.

        My first concert was Iron Maiden. Go figure.

      • Agent Cooper

        Meh. Not thicc enough.

        *immediately goes to hell*

    • AlmightyJB

      In middle school I was a choir boy. Our choir teacher was a little 5′ package of dynamo. Anyways, she loved Barry Manilow and we had to sing all of his songs.

      • WTF

        LOL – my wife loves Rush, Led Zeppelin, and…Barry Manilow.

      • Annoyed Nomad

        Back in the summer of 1980 or 1981 I worked the summer at an outdoor live music theater. Barry Manilow was scheduled for 2 or 3 nights in a row. They were sellouts and there were a number of women who attended every night.

    • Mojeaux

      I used “Copacabana” as a plotline in a book. I always loved that song.

      • Festus

        I love you Mojo but Oh Dear Lord… Barry Manilow is Satan’s spawn. Are you a (((secret))) 85 year-old one of (((them)))?

      • Mojeaux

        No. I just have shitty taste. I like what I like and I’m beyond caring what other people think. For instance, I like Evanescence.

        Also, I like most songs that tell a story and “Copacabana” is VIVID.

      • Festus

        I… I can see that.

      • Brett L

        For some reason I read “Chupacabra” and then my brain started singing, “the Chupa…Chu-u-pacabra, that is one weird palabra.”

      • Brett L

        I blame all the cryptozoology here.

      • Tonio

        And now that’s earwormed for me. LOL

      • Brett L

        My work here is done.

      • Jarflax

        Her name was Lola, she was a good goat
        With yellow horns up in the air and her coat so downy fair
        She would wander from her pen
        And one night she went too far
        Almost hit by a speeding car
        Up the hill and toward the wood, she grazed and grazed some more
        She was young and she had some fodder
        Who could ask for more?

        But the Chupa (chu) Chupacabra (Chupacabra)
        The cruelest suck south of the border (here)
        But the Chupa (chu) Chupacabra
        Goat blood and cruelty were always the fashion
        But the Chupa, pounced from above!

      • Mojeaux

        LOL

        You win the internet!

      • Festus

        Indeed.

      • DrOtto

        I like CNN’s retelling better: Gunfire Erupted in a Nightclub Last Night!

      • bacon-magic

        Evanescence has a great voice. Barry does too, my dad used to listen to him so while not a big fan I admit he’s a good singer.

      • l0b0t

        May I be so bold as to present one of my favorite songs that tell a story – The Road Goes On Forever by Robert Earl Keen.

      • whiz

        Is this another one of those places where we spill the beans on things we are ashamed to tell other people?

        I, too, like Evanescence. My Immortal is the bomb.

      • Tonio

        One of my stories (the one you have?) contains a re-telling of Billy Joel’s “Big Shot.”

    • Don Escaped Australians

      Bacharach’s songs explode the expectations of what a popular song is supposed to be. Advanced harmonies and chord changes with unexpected turnarounds and modulations, unusual changing time signatures and rhythmic twists, often in uneven numbers of bars. But he makes it all sound so natural you can’t get it out of your head or stop whistling it. Maddeningly complex, sometimes deceptively simple, these are more than just great pop songs: these are deep explorations of the materials of music and should be studied and treasured with as much care and diligence we accord any great works of art. – John Zorn

      I’m not a serious musician, but I’ve got the ear an ear that allows me to keep up with 90% of what passes for music in our lifetimes: still, Bacharach drives me crazy. Most of the time I can pick up a guitar and chord along with anything and probably add a bass line or walk out bits of the melody with my pinkie in seconds; there are only so many structures, circle of fifths, whatever you want to call what I do. Six bars into This Guy’s in Love I’m guessing, I’m suddenly not playing along anymore and just: what is that F**king chord!?! And I’ll finally find it up the neck after two stanzas have passed . . . only to get turned around and lost in the bridge.

      Say what you will about the geniuses that are trotted out these days, but I never got lost in the dust behind Prince, McCartney, Bowie, or Joel.

      • Mojeaux

        I’m taking that as a compliment to Bacharach.

        See my Karen Carpenter comment above.

    • Mojeaux

      Revisiting the music thread above:

      Last night, to put myself to sleep, I was listening to “best of” lists of music from the late 60s and 70s. Now, this was music that was made between before I was born to about age 5.

      I knew almost every one of them and I couldn’t believe they had been made before my conscious time. Very classic, sophisticated, and timeless. The hard rock is still being played and I’d have been hard-pressed not to peg them as their actual release date. Now, many of them are one-hit wonders, but they’re still played. So far as I can remember, only a few of them have covers that I identify first.

      I didn’t know how far the Jackson 5 pre-dated me (that is to say, when I was a toddler and my parents didn’t play that stuff). The Carpenters, Neil Diamond, Diana Ross, Stevie Wonder,

      A few of them were to movies (“Raindrops Keep Fallin’ on My Head”) of the time, which were also sophisticated, classic, and timeless.

      (And as to the sappy mentioned above, I noticed nobody mentioned Bread or Air Supply.)

      And all this was brought on by whoever (I suspect Ted’S) linked the Turtles’s “Happy Together”.

  9. Festus

    How the hell did you get a pic of me going for the gravy?

  10. Count Potato

    “Jubilant drinkers flock to Wisconsin bars just hours after state’s Supreme Court struck down Democratic governor’s pandemic lockdown order in first ruling of its kind

    ubilant barflies have flocked to Wisconsin’s taverns within hours of a shock state Supreme Court decision striking down Governor Tony Evers’ coronavirus stay-at-home order.

    The 4-3 ruling on Wednesday, the first of its kind in the nation, found that Evers’ administration overstepped its authority when it extended the mandate for another month without consulting legislators.

    Bars, supper clubs and restaurants across Wisconsin were allowed to open their doors immediately – though some county governments moved quickly to impose their own lockdown rules in place of the governor’s decree.

    In many parts of the state, however, overjoyed residents flocked to their favorite haunts after two months of home-bound isolation.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8317653/Wisconsin-Supreme-Court-strikes-Democratic-governors-pandemic-lockdown-order.html

    Good. Now, lets do the other 49.

    • Festus

      I mentioned on the dead thread about seeing youngsters out playing baseball in the last link. My cow-worker was aghast. The Karens are coming from inside the house!

      • WTF

        “cow-worker” That’s funny.

      • Jarflax

        It is a replacement for theoffensively gender assuming “milk maid”

    • R C Dean

      If the Gov. doesn’t have the authority to issue lockdown orders, how do subsidiary county and city officials?

      • Tonio

        ^This.

      • Brett L

        The decision states that the Governor does, but his appointed cabinet officials do not.

      • Rebel Scum

        FYTW?

        But yeah, I’d be ignoring that shit. Attempt enforcement at your own peril.

    • Swiss Servator

      It was not the governor’s order that was struck down, it was some authoritarian department head who ordered everything closed, without the authority to do so.

    • Stillhunter

      Brigs a tear to my eye. Maybe I should move back to my home state. Minnesota is a hellhole. (Yes that is hyperbolic…) I still think SD is high in the list though.

    • Count Potato

      How the fuck do they justify this shit?

      • invisible finger

        FYTW

      • Tonio

        FYTW

      • Shpip

        Forget it, Count, it’s Broward.

      • Florida Man

        His rights were violated by asking him to do the job he was paid 6 figures to do.

      • Jarflax

        Heavy use of the passive voice. Mistakes were made. Deaths were unavoided. Sadness was felt; lessons were learned.

    • leon

      I bet he’s real popular down at the station.

    • EvilSheldon

      Fuck.

      I was really hoping he’d killed himself out of shame…

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      That takes some stones.

      He’s liable to end up getting popped on the street.

  11. AlmightyJB

    Unmasked? So they leaked the name of someone who they found out was talking to Russians via the NSA? Yeah, that’s not going anywhere. Washington is a sieve. Unless unmasked means something different than that.

    • Festus

      Unmasked has a new definition. It’s cops beating on those who do not comply.

    • The Hyperbole

      Seems to me the “unmasking” part is being overplayed. The, “unmasking” as in someone gets a redacted document and asks to see whats under some black stripe and the NSA determines whether they have the clearance and need, appears pretty common. Now if the NSA unmasked stuff for people they shouldn’t have or that once unmasked people abused their new found knowledge that should be the focus. Biden, Comey, et al just asking to see who ‘person 1’ was on an intelligence report that they had every authorization to have is a big yawner, unless I’m missing something.

      • Festus

        That’s a stretch, even for you my on-line friend. You know what they were up to and you’re just playing up your schtick. Don’t play dumb because we know you’re smart.

      • Ted S.

        We do?

      • Festus

        We Zoom Chat. He’s actually quite disarmingly pleasant and really funny.

      • straffinrun

        What we think should be done because we’ve connected easily connectable dots is different than how DC works. You’d have to prove a giant conspiracy based on evidence that doesn’t link directly to illegal behavior. I don’t see it happening. It’d be nice, though.

      • bacon-magic

        ^^^

      • bacon-magic

        To Festus for bein’ real.

      • Count Potato

        What you are missing is the Fourth Amendment.

      • Spartacus

        Sure, they had authorization. You said “clearance and need”, and one of these things is missing. The whole thing is in the same category as a cop using his confidential records access to look up his ex-wife’s boyfriend in order to go harass him.

      • The Hyperbole

        That’s why I mentioned NSA unmasking stuff they shouldn’t, and I’ve yet to see that take in the main stream conservative media. It’s all OMG Biden and others asked to have a name unmasked, which seems like SOP and by itself no big deal. I apparently am as stupid as I look because I need someone to connect the dots between this and the smoking gun people seem to think it is.

      • leon

        “which seems like SOP and by itself no big deal”

        I don’t have first-hand knowledge, but from my understaffing is not, or is not supposed to be SOP, because of the 4th amendment. I think a big part of the scandal is the amount of requests and the people who were authorized to make them.

      • OneOut

        Hype the timelime shows that oftentimes the info from the unmasking was immediately leaked to the WaPo and one particular dc operative there.

        Leaking classified material is a felony.

        We are so jaded we don’t think anything will happen but I think Barr might feel differently.

      • The Hyperbole

        Yeah, I was mistaken on exactly what unmasking is. In my defense most of the headlines are either flat out wrong or partisan outrage/denial spin so it took awhile for me to parse it, and a lot of folks here jumped about four squares* and I hadn’t caught up yet.

        *not a criticism just an explanation

      • leon

        we still love you hype. we need someone to stand athwart the glib train and yell “STOP!!”

      • Ownbestenemy

        I got a new hat just for you Hyperbole for drunkin chat

  12. Rebel Scum

    If we can get through all the rancor and rhetoric, good things can happen.

    Where’s the fun in that?

    • Festus

      Cornholio, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter!

  13. Gender Traitor

    I think this guy knows what’s what.

    ::clicks link, sees album cover::

    Oh, please don’t let it be him singing, let it be Dionne singing, just don’t let it be HIM singing!

    ::clicks Play::

    GAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

    • Festus

      yep

      • Gender Traitor

        Songwriters who should not record their own material:

        1. Burt Bacharach
        2. Leonard Cohen
        3. Neil Young

      • The Hyperbole

        Brian Wilson

        Of course no one else should record his material either so maybe he doesn’t count.

      • Mojeaux

        ^^^This.

        “Hallelujah” is awful.

      • Gender Traitor

        If I recall correctly, at some point even Cohen himself said of the umpty-bazillion covers, “Enough already!”

      • Mojeaux

        Shit, I’d have that reaction if I ever found fanfic of my stuff (which is why I don’t go looking).

        I can’t imagine how irritating that would be.

      • Tonio

        [cackles evilly and rubs palms together]

      • robc

        His version is the only tolerable version. GT is wrong on #2.

      • Festus

        I was a huge Neil fan but his politics and attitude turned me off. Leo Kottke should not sing.

      • Gender Traitor

        Yeah, Leo should stick to his git-tar pickin’.

      • Festus

        Theeeey saaaiiid that Looouuiiiissse was not half baaaaadddd…..

      • Shirley Knott

        Bob Dylan

      • Tejicano

        To be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Dylan sing. I’ve heard him groan, gurgle, croak, and gasp but none of that could be called singing.

      • banginglc1

        You might not like his voice, but he almost never misses the note. Seriously.

      • Shpip

        4. Bruce Springsteen

      • Festus

        Loathe him. Bellower.

      • Apples and Knives

        1 is true enough. Wrong on 2 and 3.

      • straffinrun

        Phil Spector

  14. Rebel Scum

    It’s mind boggling what the temperature is throughout the world.

    E’rebody got that Kovid Fever.

    • Florida Man

      They check my temperature everyday before work. I’m consistently 97.0. I might be a vampire…maybe a zombie.

      • Festus

        I run a degree and a bit Celcius over every day. I’d be fucked. Hummingbird. Explains the waistline.

      • Rebel Scum

        I figured the temp guns they are using were pretty much the same as the infrared I use to see what temp my skillet is. Pointed it at my forehead and got the reading. 89. I must be dead.

    • Festus

      They make $ from concerts and “appearances”. We’re all in this together!

    • Agent Cooper

      “Ariana Grande has been on a creative high in recent years”

      I guess you could call it “creative.”

  15. Count Potato

    “FBI officers seized a cellphone belonging to Senator Richard Burr on Wednesday night as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into controversial stock trades he made at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic.

    Sen. Burr, of North Carolina, surrendered his phone to federal agents after they served a search warrant at his home in Washington, an anonymous law enforcement source told the LA Times.

    Burr, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and a member of the health committee, sold a large percentage of his stock portfolio in February shortly before the market slumped and just after he began receiving daily briefings on the coronavirus.

    The obtaining of the warrant marks a significant escalation into the Justice Department’s probe into whether the Republican violated a law that prevents members of Congress from trading on insider information gained from their official line of work.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8317965/FBI-serves-search-warrant-Sen-Richard-Burr-insider-trading-probe.html

    Surprising.

    • leon

      Make a few trades he’s allowed to do? Unless I’m missing something, seems like a big nothing-burger.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        Insider trading is illegal for members of Congress (it has been since about 2013). It’s just that they generally don’t have disclosure requirements, so they don’t get caught unless they’re complete dumbasses about it, like Burr was.

    • WTF

      Not at all surprising. Note that a couple of Democrats were also implicated, by they haven’t been served warrants. This looks like an FBI attempt to try to neuter some of the Senators who might be looking into the intelligence agency malfeasance.

      • Festus

        So they’re all a little dirty-faced? Color me angel.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Burr? That fuckstick has played the establishment Republican role well.

    • Q Continuum

      She has great tits, I’ll give her that.

      • Festus

        She’s a pretty girl but it’s a shame about that ass.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Her surgeon made some spectacular tiddies, but the gallon buckets of silicon in the bue-tox are fucking clown shoes.

  16. sloopyinca

    Hey, gang. Thanks to Spud for picking up the pieces. Banjos’s dad was killed in a car crash yesterday after apparently suffering a heart attack while on the highway. Please have her and her family in your thoughts and prayers. It’s a devastating blow. He was a good man. The world is less today than it was.

    • Nephilium

      Sorry to hear that man.

    • I. B. McGinty

      Ugh. Sorry to hear that.

    • Gender Traitor

      Oh, so sorry, Sloop! Please give her lots of hugs from us.

    • Tonio

      That’s terrible. My condolences to you all.

    • Count Potato

      Sorry 🙁

      Prayers sent.

    • Mojeaux

      Oh sloopy! Banjos, I am so, so sorry.

    • gbob

      Jesus, that’s rough. Give Banjo all my love during this terrible time.

    • Professional Beach Bum

      Thoughts and prayers, sorry to hear about that.

    • Q Continuum

      Yikes. Sorry buddy.

    • Timeloose

      I’m very sorry to hear that. Give her our condolences.

    • Spartacus

      Damn. That’s rough. I’m so sorry.

    • PieInTheSky

      sorry. my condolences.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      Sorry Banjos and Sloopy 🙁

    • Shirley Knott

      Very sorry for her, and your, loss. Condolences.

    • The Hyperbole

      So sorry, Condolences.

    • WTF

      Oh my God, that’s horrible, so sorry to hear that.

    • Fourscore

      What everyone else has already said X 2, Sloop and Banjos. Kids need a grandpa, too.

    • leon

      my condolences.

    • Tulip

      Im

    • straffinrun

      That is horrible news. Deepest condolences to Banjos and her family.

    • Tulip

      I’m so sorry for all of you.

    • invisible finger

      Holy shit! Condolences to the family.

    • Rhywun

      Sorry 🙁

    • Festus

      So sorry. My Father went out the same way recently. You are good people and deserve better then what the Universe just side-armed you. You are in my thoughts, always.

    • SDF-7

      Others have and will continue to say it better — but condolences to you and your family. You two are often a bright spot in the morning and I’m sure he was part of that.

    • Tejicano

      I feel sorry for you both. What a shock. You are in my prayers from tonight.

    • The Other Kevin

      Oh that’s terrible. I am the praying type so prayers are on the way.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      My condolences. I wish the best for you and yours.

    • Sean

      That’s awful. I’m so sorry to hear that.

    • Jarflax

      I am very sorry to hear that. My condolences.

    • bacon-magic

      Prayers to your family.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Uffda. So sorry to hear about your family’s loss.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Oh Lord. Sorry. My condolences.

    • DOOMco

      Sorry.
      You’re all in my thoughts.

    • AlexinCT

      Oh man, that sucks. Condolences to all of you.

    • Annoyed Nomad

      Oh wow. Condolences to Banjos and the family.

    • EvilSheldon

      Aw man. Very sorry to hear that.

    • tarran

      I’m so sorry to hear this! 🙁

      My condolences as well!

    • Semi-Spartan Dad

      Shit, I’m so sorry Sloopy and Banjos. Condolences.

    • OneOut

      Prayers for Banjo and you and family.

    • B.P.

      Holy smokes. No bueno. Sorry.

    • KSuellington

      Damn, that is terrible. I’m sorry. Condolences to both of you and your families.

    • grrizzly

      Awful. My condolences.

    • Bobarian LMD

      Wow. That supremely sucks.

      Probably too soon to blame this on the ‘rona.

    • ttyrant

      My condolences, sloopy and banjos. I hope you and the family are hanging in there.

    • R C Dean

      Very sorry to hear the news. I just spent a 4 day weekend with Pater Dean, and was blessed to be able to do so. The day will come, and it will be a hard day, indeed. I hope it gives some small comfort that her virtual gang of misfits and misanthropes is thinking of her.

    • jacksprat

      Sorry to hear this. Condolences.

    • DEG

      My condolences.

    • Ted S.

      My condolences.

    • hoof_in_mouth

      Condolences to the families

    • Dr. Fronkensteen

      Not much to say other than condolences. It’s always harder when it’s sudden. Just know you have stand up people on this board who are there for as well as those in your real life.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Crap. Condolences to Banjos and your family.

      • dbleagle

        Condolences to your entire family.

    • Gdragon

      Oh geez I am so sorry to hear this. My condolences to both of you, just terrible news.

    • Akira

      Good lord… My condolences.

    • Ozymandias

      So sorry for Banjos – and your family’s – loss, sloop.

    • Bill Door

      Jeez… Condolences to Banjos and to you all.

    • beer league keeper

      my deepest sympathies

    • mock-star

      My most heartfelt condolences.

    • Jarflax

      Doesn’t a tangent by definition move apart?

  17. robc

    Case fatality rate by age group (KY data), confirmed deaths in age group / confirmed cases in age group. IFR (infected fatality rate) is lower, obviously, although hard to get much lower than 0% for the young ones.

    0-9 0.0%
    10-19 0.0%
    20-29 0.0%
    30-39 0.2%
    40-49 0.5%
    50-59 2.3%
    60-69 6.6%
    70-79 13.7%
    80+ 28.8%

    • robc

      This is example A in why schools should have never been closed. Issue teachers masks and gloves and continue on.

      • PieInTheSky

        so the kids can infect grandma?

      • robc

        Don’t let the kids near grandma. As should be obvious from the chart, not letting the virus near old people is kind of important. Like don’t require senior homes to accept covid positive patients.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Grammas in the nursing home where she is safe!

        Wait…. Maybe she’d be better off at home.

    • Spartacus

      That’s pretty similar to Florida. And 42% of the deaths in FL are in long term care homes.
      In my area of SW Florida (Charlotte, Lee, Collier counties) the under-65 population is right at a million, and we have a total of 8 deaths in that age group.

  18. The Late P Brooks

    I got sucked into a conversation about the plague, last night. The guy was throwing numbers around “proving” how South Dakota is far, far worse than Montana because they didn’t do cower at home rules. I, being me, said, “I have not studied the numbers in detail because meaningful numbers are impossible to find.” Without context, it’s not productive.

    And- don’t talk to me about “cases” if you’re going to include people who are not sick.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      They say that about Sweden and Norway.

      It was never about a race to see who saves more lives.

      It’s about managing the virus.

      And in the long run, Sweden will win the race.

  19. Rebel Scum

    It may require some to put their faith in a higher power.

    .30-06?

    • Fourscore

      With a 3 X 9 scope…

  20. The Late P Brooks

    Also- has anyone seen anything about environmental conditions in meatpacking, other than people jammed together, which might create a favorable environment for the virus to grow/multiply?

    • PieInTheSky

      meat?

    • Nephilium

      If I had to take a guess, I’d also say that large amounts of biological material floating around that could harbor the virus as well.

    • Count Potato

      I haven’t seen anything, but the air is cooler, and the humidity is higher. If I had to guess, I would say because it varies more in temperature from place to place inside the building, so there might be more sneezing.

      • robc

        I think the cold temperature. Outdoor desert workers are probably pretty safe.

    • invisible finger

      I find it interesting that in NYC there was a large enough outbreak amongst Hasidic Jews that even the MSM noticed, yet nobody seems to bring up the fact that the USDA hires Hasidic Jews to be inspectors at slaughterhouses/packing plants.

      • Jarflax

        No, my Chabad coworker is a bit messed up about Covid because he personally knows something like 20 people who have died from it. That community got hit hard.

    • R C Dean

      I think there’s probably also some conditions at home that contributed. Mostly illegals/Latinxes living in crowded conditions, with who knows what sanitation.

    • Swiss Servator

      “An’ if you don’t reconsider….we shall come by and politely ask again!”

  21. Certified Public Asshat

    Slate Headline: The South’s Restaurant Reopening Is Going About As Well As You’d Expect

    At this point, a number of states have begun lifting stay-at-home orders and allowing nonessential businesses to reopen, with the hope that they can start thawing their economies even if the coronavirus hasn’t been fully contained.

    But the defrosting process seems to be going slowly—at least if you judge by the number of people brave enough to eat out. At restaurants that use OpenTable’s booking software, the number of diners in every state where the company tracks data was still down by 82 percent or more through Sunday, compared with a year before. That includes early reopeners like Georgia (down 92 percent), Utah (down 91 percent), Nebraska (down 90 percent), South Carolina (down 89 percent), Tennessee (down 87 percent), Texas (down 83 percent), and Oklahoma (down 82 percent).

    So, not going well for the restaurants…, but still an L for lockdown supporters.

    • Nephilium

      Patios opening up here tomorrow, with sit down opening up next Thursday. There’s been mixed stories about who’s opening, who’s staying closed, when people are planning on opening back up, and permanent closures announced.

    • Drake

      I’m excited to go to SC next week, eat a restaurant, get a haircut if we can get into a barbershop, and generally be a free man for a couple of days.

      • robc

        Barbers should be reserved for residents only. I need one badly.

      • Drake

        I have a tight window before returning to the People’s Gulag of NJ.

      • pan fried wylie

        Gotta show ID.

        “This doesn’t look like you…”

        “BECAUSE OF THE HAIR DAMMIT!!!”

      • robc

        Relatively free…its not exactly Somalia here.

    • WTF

      I would absolutely book reservations at my favorite restaurants tomorrow if they were open. Unless they do that stupid isolation thing with putting plastic between the tables or bullshit like that.

    • Raven Nation

      “The South”

      Nebraska??!!

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Ha, good catch. I did say it was Slate.

    • Shpip

      I would also posit that using OpenTable booking is a flawed metric for how much people are eating out for two reasons:

      1) The higher-end restaurants that disproportionately use OpenTable haven’t re-opened yet, since they will only lose money if operating at 25% capacity, and

      2) Related – that people who are venturing to go out to eat right now are utilizing small, local and family-owned restaurants, who may not be OpenTable clients.

      In other words, if I’m taking the family out for ribs and a pitcher at Fat Stan’s BBQ, I’m not making reservations on OpenTable, but if I want that nice celebration dinner at Chez Marmoset, I’m not using OpenTable either, since Chez Marmoset won’t re-open until they can turn a profit.

      • Chipwooder

        How many people use it at all in the first place? I’ve never even heard of OpenTable and we eat out a fair bit.

      • grrizzly

        It’s fairly popular. I’ve been using it for the last seven years at least. Probably it’s more popular in some areas (on the coasts?) than in others.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I’ve used it 2 or 3 times. Standard web interface for making a reservation is better than trying to find out what the place’s phone number is, calling a distracted hostess and hoping that she hears my reservation correctly over the bustle in the background.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Makes sense. People need to find their groove.

      I’d go in a jiffy.

    • DEG

      why have just one?

      Exactly.

  22. Drake

    PA’s Health Department Secretary pulled his mother out of a nursing home before forcing the homes to accept Covid patients – where the virus spread like wildfire and killed residents. But more importantly – Don’t misgender him her.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Somebody posted that yesterday. It looks like the mother actually asked to be taken out but that could just be a cover story. Who knows really?

      • Drake

        Unless the legislatures have somehow passed some kind of immunity laws, I’m betting that the class-action lawsuits from families of nursing home victims will be the biggest in history. Between NY, NJ, and PA – way over 10k people died in those homes as a direct result of the states’ incompetence.

      • DEG

        Gauleiter Wolf signed a bill into law granting civil immunity to health care providers.

        The order grants civil immunity to individual licensed, certified and registered health care workers acting in “good faith” across all types of state-defined health care facilities — among others, hospitals, ambulatory centers, psychiatric hospitals, cancer centers, drug and alcohol treatment programs and rehabilitation hospitals.

        It extends the protection to workers at nursing homes, assisted living facilities and community-based testing sites.

        The immunity does not apply to “acts or omissions that constitute a crime, gross negligence, or fraud, malice, or other willful misconduct.”

        Prediction: The response to lawsuits will be, “We were just good nursing homes obeying the law”, and the lawsuit will be tossed.

      • R C Dean

        The immunity does not apply to “acts or omissions that constitute a crime, gross negligence, or fraud, malice, or other willful misconduct.”

        So its virtually meaningless. And it won’t survive a due process challenge, anyway.

      • Drake

        They won’t sue the nursing homes – they didn’t have a choice – they’ll sue the states.

      • R C Dean

        The state has sovereign immunity. And yes, they will sue the nursing homes, hospitals, everybody they can.

        I was talking to one of our defense lawyers, who had talked to one of the biggest personal injury lawyers in San Francisco. The PI lawyer told him that the plaintiff’s bar already has their commercials soliciting COVID lawsuits in the can, and is just waiting for the right moment to start running them. He was quite chipper about the outlook for extracting nuisance settlements.

      • Drake

        I’m not sure – I’ll ask the lawyers in a live thread.

  23. The Late P Brooks

    Needz moar models

    Researchers are beginning to test homeless individuals in the United States for the virus that causes COVID-19 — and are discovering that the situation is out of control: tests are rare and outbreaks are spreading below the radar.

    The lack of testing and assistance for people living in group settings — such as those in homeless shelters, nursing homes and prisons — threatens their lives as well as the nation’s ability to curb COVID-19 because these communities can rapidly become the epicentres of new outbreaks that will spread, say researchers. Scientists are now scrambling to collect data and model the transmission of coronavirus under different group-living situations in hopes of guiding strategies to curb outbreaks.

    Evidence-based solutions might protect not only the roughly 1.4 million people who use a homeless shelter or transitional housing in the United States each year — a growing population as unemployment soars and prisons release people to ease crowding — but also other people who don’t have the luxury of separating themselves from others. “What we’re seeing in this first wave in the US is that the largest clusters are in populations where people don’t have a lot of agency,” says Gina Neff, a sociologist at the University of Oxford, UK. “These populations will become the sources of new outbreaks, even when we feel like we kind of have it under control.”

    Current testing policies are missing a significant amount of infections in at-risk groups. In one recent study, researchers found that only one individual out of 147 who tested positive in a homeless shelter in Boston, Massachusetts, would have met the official criterion for testing — a fever.

    Hell, maybe the homeless lifestyle toughens you up. We should be grinding those homeless people up to make a vaccine.

    • Rebel Scum

      moar models

      Yeah it’s kindof a sausage fest in here. Oh, you meant – never mind.

    • Pope Jimbo

      This is one of the things that I have asked the panickers since the beginning. If CV was really, super totes deadly, why aren’t there piles of bodies in SF and other cities with big homeless populations?

      Living rough like that has to make you pretty vulnerable to any infectious disease. Instead all the dead people have nice beds in long term care facilities.

  24. The Late P Brooks

    Sorry, Banjos.

  25. Rebel Scum

    List of officials who sought to ‘unmask’ Flynn released: Biden, Comey, Obama chief of staff among them

    Just a silly Fox Farce obsession with the deep state. – CNN

    Incidentally, I saw a clip yesterday where Fredo Cuomo said something retarded. “In it for the collective”? “Rand Paul does not just represent Kentucky*”? Fuck. Off.

    *”He is a fUcking senator from Kentucky! He literally represents KY and only KY** in the federal senate!”, I yelled at the screen.

    **Ostensibly, of course.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Chris Cuomo, the guy who broke quarantine while having a known and active case of the cough? People are still listening to him on this issue?

  26. PieInTheSky

    Self-identifying neoliberals, how do you define neoliberalism?

    https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1260677007043690501

    From the replies

    Neoliberalism = free markets (golden eggs) + social insurance (missing markets) + cash welfare (vertical equity)

    weird definition

    “Missing markets means some markets fail due to externalities, coordination problems, transaction costs, etc. Need gov’t intervention to fix.” – I don’t get what makes people think the government can fix such issues…

    “Take health insurance. Due to widely understood reasons related to asymmetric information and risk pooling, most individual health insurance plans unravel. In that case, gov’t is most efficient actor to pool risk universally” – claim without much evidence. Also does not address in any way the externalities and moral hazard of compulsory risk pooling.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      So Sweden then although I don’t think they know what free markets really means.

    • Viking1865

      “Due to widely understood reasons related to asymmetric information and risk pooling, most individual health insurance plans unravel”

      They broke the insurance market, on purpose, and then blame the insurance market for not functioning.

      • AlexinCT

        That’s how fascism works: government gets to pick the winners and losers and never has to take the blame for horrible government policies totalitarian systems impose in the name of social justice.

    • Akira

      Take health insurance. Due to widely understood reasons related to asymmetric information

      There’s asymmetric information in the vast majority of transactions. That’s, ya know, a major part of the reason that people need auto mechanics, plumbers, electricians, etc. Because they know the things that you don’t know. That doesn’t mean that a market can’t function in these areas.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      Related, LOL:

      The community I love, my home, is hurting today. I stand with you – as I always have. But we are resilient. This is the moment to come together, stay united in our desire to improve our community and fight. Onward to November.#ca25— Katie Hill (@KatieHill4CA) May 14, 2020

    • Drake

      Still think they are saving their pallets of spare ballots in reserve for November.

    • robc

      My money is on it still be held by a jackass. But that is true for most of the 435 seats, so an easy default assumption.

    • leon

      Why did they hold the election? Won’t they have to do it again in November?

    • Certified Public Asshat

      That seat has been held by a Jackass since 1998.

      Not quite. A republican hasn’t flipped a seat in CA since 1998. That district was red until Katie Hill, and well, we saw how that worked out.

      • DEG

        Yep.

        That seat was Republican from ’93 until 2019.

      • leon

        Yeah. And IIRC ballot harvesting seemed to work pretty well in her favor. I wonder how long till GOP starts playing the game too and then we just end up with a new “this is ok” status quo.

      • Bobarian LMD

        As Robc points out, jackass is a default position.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      And they won in Wisconsin I believe?

      • leon

        which is more interesting IMO. California isn’t going to become Red all the sudden.

      • Chipwooder

        No, it won’t. However, it would be interesting if the GOP in California goes from mostly dead to partially alive and claws back a few of the seats they’ve lost in recent elections.

      • R C Dean

        The shenanigans in the 2018 election in California may have cost the Repubs the House, and set off the 18 month impeaechment/coup nightmare. Every seat matters, especially when the alternative to a limp-dick Repub is a frothing-at-the-mouth Dem.

  27. The Late P Brooks

    Meanwhile this happened:

    The other day, I was reading some thing about how we (“WE”!) are going to have to get used to not knowing the results of any election for weeks, after we go to all mail in balloting. But those elections will be more fair and just!

    Do I think a treasure trove of “newly discovered” ballots is on the horizon? I wouldn’t bet against it.

    • Drake

      Eventually it will swing a national election in a big way and people will start shooting.

      • WTF

        People should have starting shooting long past. I doubt this will create any rebellion, the majority of the country has been too thoroughly neutered.

    • WTF

      Murphy really is spectacular in his stupidity and arrogance.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      California did the same.

      These people can’t possibly be this retarded.

      Like I mean, it’s very disturbing to be this stupid and have power.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      “In addition, New Jersey’s government is missing massive amounts of tax revenue, and Murphy has warned the state faces a “fiscal disaster” within weeks that could lead to historic public-worker layoffs if the federal government doesn’t approve more direct financial aid.”

      Or. Orrrrrr, I’m just throwing around ideas here, you can OPEN THE FUCK UP, stop pretending you’re saving granny, and limit the damage dumbfuck politicians and medical bureaucrats caused.

      I can’t believe the message isn’t: Look. The virus is out there. Curbside or not it’s going to spread. Take your hit and move the fuck on already. You can’t manage or limit it anymore. All theatres come to an end and this act is OVER.

      Sweden is right. WE WERE WRONG.

      • Drake

        He gives the update every day.

        Part 1 he swings his giant authoritarian boner around telling everybody that’s he’s the supreme ruler and they better do as he says or else.

        Part 2 he admits that the state is dead broke and headed towards bankruptcy, then begs for federal money to “avert” the disaster that he’s causing.

      • leon

        “could lead to historic public-worker layoffs if the federal government doesn’t approve more direct financial aid.”

        Public workers not wanting to be laid off just want to kill Grandma. And I’m not just talking about the cops.

      • R C Dean

        Not exactly swinging my vote to a federal bailout, there, bucko.

      • EvilSheldon

        Go on…

    • Raven Nation

      Not disagreeing with you in the overall sense, but there can be ways this works.

      In the relatively small town where my wife lives, the local pharmacy is open but not allowing anyone in the store. They have a table 6 feet inside the front door. Most people are picking up prescriptions. But I stopped by yesterday to buy some OTC stuff. I’ve been here often enough that I know what they carry. They grabbed it for me and took my cash at the table. I’ve seen a couple of other stores on main street doing the same thing.

      Like I said, your overall point is valid, but there can be exceptions.

      • Drake

        I’ve seen it in pharmacies and paint stores. But that’s not how I’ll be shopping for clothes or shoes for instance. And if I was redecorating instead of touching up and re-staining the deck, I’d never choose colors on the computer screen.

  28. Juvenile Bluster

    One thing guys, about unmasking. Not saying it’s right, but…

    1. There are about 10,000 unmasking requests a year.
    2. You don’t know who’s being unmasked until afterwards (hence the term “unmasking”).

    This is one of those things where we don’t give a shit until it happens to someone important (hey, I didn’t know what it was until now either). And then we get outraged about it happening to that one particular person, and ignore everything else. Kind of like with FISA abuses.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      In theory you don’t know who’s being unmasked until it’s done but judging by the sheer number of unmasking requests per Flynn it’s almost certain someone was feeding White House officials information as to what line of what conversation should be requested. Maybe this high profile case will result in a curbing of the practice although I wouldn’t bet on it.

      • straffinrun

        That would be a smoking gun, I assume. They find proof that someone like Susan Rice know that Flynn was the masked man and so she requests the unmasking. That way you could possibly find the leaker and have motive properly established.

      • Pine_Tree

        Yeah, it sounds terribly ripe for parellel construction. You (the Deep State) violate the 4th Amendment because you always do, surveilling somebody who’s a political target, and when you find something you want to use/spread, then you tell somebody else to come up with an unmasking request so that it carries a cover of legitimacy.

    • leon

      My question is who is doing them? FBI guys? They Probably have a plausible reason. Joe from Treasury? GFY. And for that matter all the ambassadors.

      But I think that this may be overplayed, and ignore that it is pretty clear that the Obama administration set up Flynn in order to hinder the Trump Admin. That was evident with it without the unmasking info released yesterday.

    • Florida Man

      My wife was reading about the EMT shot in the wrong house no knock raid and was shocked to learn about the practice. I told her about 20,000 of those happen per year.

      • Fatty Bolger

        How common are no-knock raids by cops in plain clothes? That struck me as very strange.

      • Rebel Scum

        If you were looking to make “no-knock” an even worse practice (from a practical sense, constitutionally it should not even be allowed) this is it.

  29. PieInTheSky

    It could be as long as “four or five years” before #COVID19 is under control and the pandemic could “potentially get worse”, according to the World Health Organization’s chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan.

    https://twitter.com/newscientist/status/1260868048262750208

    If this is anywhere close to true just get rid of quarantine now because it saint gonna hold for 5 fucking years.

    • WTF

      We can trust the WHO because they have been so good on the pandemic so far.

      • PieInTheSky

        Honestly I don’t see a vaccine coming soon given that as far as I no vaccine for a pulmonary coronavirus was made successfully until now. Maybe it was never researched that much, but I am skeptical.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        It was never researched, because the other coronaviruses we know of have either been about on par with the common cold or fizzled out (like SARS/MERS)

      • WTF

        At best the seasonal flu vaccine is about 50% effective, and usually much less. Since the Chinese flu seems to be about as bad as a bad flu season, we should get the fuck over it and get on ith our lives and admit the panic and lockdowns were a big mistake.

    • Rebel Scum

      So we can finally move on with our normal lives when Trump gets out of office.

  30. banginglc1

    Heading to Ohio tonight for some medical stuff. How much is it still locked down? Will I be able to do anything while there?

    • PieInTheSky

      you should be able to go to a grocery store.

    • Gender Traitor

      Retail is reopening, but with some restrictions – employees in masks, limiting numbers of customers, etc. I believe restaurants are reopening Friday with outdoor seating. Salons (and presumably barbers?) likewise.

    • Nephilium

      Shopping is available, restaurants are take-out only, gyms are closed. Patios are supposed to open tomorrow, but it’s looking like a mixed bag (up here in CLE) as to who’s opening, who isn’t going to bother, and who’s waiting until later to open. Most of the news is the downtown restaurants aren’t even opening up for patio/takeout since there’s no events pulling people into the city. Breweries are allowed to deliver beer, and if you do take out, you can get 2 pre-mixed cocktails per meal ordered.

      • Pope Jimbo

        He was trying to find out if there were any hookers walking the streets, but in a classy way. And then you people inundate him with worthless crap like restaurants and shit.

      • banginglc1

        Finally someone who understands.

      • Gender Traitor

        Well, “massage businesses” open tomorrow, too.

      • AlexinCT

        Back to doing rubs & tugs for the entrepreneurs in that business…

      • Jarflax

        Dude, it is Ohio. Our hookers are pretty much limited to junkie streetwalkers.

    • Juvenile Bluster

      Reason (and their writers) have actually been pretty decent over the last couple of months (though I don’t follow some of their writers, like Robby, who might cause me to change my mind on that).

      • Certified Public Asshat

        To be sure aside, Robby isn’t that bad.

      • Chipwooder

        Robby is actually one of the best they have at the moment. Now, that could easily say more about the decline of Reason than it does about Robby, but still.

      • Idle Hands

        Binion might be worse than Dalmia though.

    • Drake

      I thought the same thing of her articles back when I used to read them.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Fox is way better than CNN. It’s not even comparable actually.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Conflating the two on the hard news side especially is pretty off base. Fox is undeniably partisan but they don’t generally just make shit up.

      • Drake

        They are considerably better at separating the news from the opinions. Something that reputable papers used to do.

      • Fatty Bolger

        Yep. There’s probably not much difference when comparing the pundit shows, but Fox is much better at straight news reporting.

      • leon

        I don’t know what part you put Lou Dobbs under but he’s fucking awful.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        I don’t know what it is, but I hate that guy.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        As much as I don’t care for Hannity, he’s been completely vindicated by all of the revelations of the last three days.

        Meanwhile, CBS, ABC, NBC, et al are very studiously ignoring the major developments in the Flynn case and Grenell’s document release. That’s a major tell.

      • Drake

        For some reason I can watch Tucker, but can’t stand Hannity’s rantings.

      • bacon-magic

        100% agree. Even if he was right he’s too far right for me. *throws football at camera

      • R C Dean

        Same here. Hannity strikes me as a dim bulb who is only good for parroting the RNC party line. A useful idiot, if you will.

    • invisible finger

      ENB seems to be baffled quite often.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Dumb as a rock, barely sentient.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        She covers the porn beat.

  31. Count Potato

    “Every time I see stuff like this warrantless data collection happening in the US, or increasingly oppressive social media censorship and opinion-shaping algorithms, it’s like…could you just copy the mask thing instead of the unaccountable surveillance state shit from us??”

    https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/1260876477601468419

  32. The Late P Brooks

    You can’t leave off the boilerplate:

    Researchers working to dampen the toll of COVID-19 in other crowded spaces, such as nursing homes and meat-packing plants, worry that policymakers aren’t concerned enough about outbreaks among marginalized populations. Kushel says, “As scientists, it’s our role to raise up these issues and help the public understand how viruses do discriminate since we live in an inequitable world.”

    Really? I thought your role as a scientist was to collect data and formulate and test hypotheses based on objective criteria.

  33. Count Potato

    “Just Because You Test Positive for Antibodies Doesn’t Mean You Have Them

    In a population whose infection rate is 5 percent, a test that is 90 percent accurate could deliver a false positive nearly 70 percent of the time.

    The confidence that we should have in antibody tests depends on a key factor that is often ignored: the base rate of the coronavirus. The base rate is the actual amount of infection in a known population. In the United States, that appears to be between 5 percent and 15 percent.

    This simple fact is essential to understanding the accuracy of an antibody test. Yet overlooking this fact is also one of the most common decision-making errors made, so much so that it has its own name: the base rate fallacy.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/opinion/antibody-test-accuracy.html

    • invisible finger

      “WE NEED MOAR QUESTIONABLE TESTING!!!”

      /NYT

      • Pope Jimbo

        The fun in testing isn’t so much in seeing the results as it is in forcing the rubes to COMPLY with mandatory testing schemes.

    • Annoyed Nomad

      Some friends of ours, a couple, recently had antibody tests (the husband works for a healthcare company and was able to arrange for them). The wife came back positive for the antibodies and as of a couple days ago, the husband hadn’t received results yet. They believe they had the virus back in Feb when they both came down with some symptoms (nothing serious enough to see a Dr). They were living in Florida in Feb and have moved back to Ohio about a month ago.

    • Idle Hands

      I love the fact they are just now questioning the results of a testing system that was *check notes just put in place and created months ago, Wait till they find out the false positives/negatives on over the counter pregnancy tests.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      We will continue testing until we get a result we can spin into panic.

  34. The Late P Brooks

    Politicians are the very essence of “nonessential”.

    • AlexinCT

      ^^^THIS^^^

      But they will tell you that the rest of us all are expendable when it comes to saving the politician’s hides.

  35. Scruffy Nerfherder

    One of the things that has become apparent is that the GOP left Nunez et al out in the cold.

    Every GOP congresscritter that was in those closed door meetings knew exactly what was going on and how blatantly Brennan, Clapper, Comey, etc… were all lying in the media. With the exception of Gowdy, Gaetz, and Nunez, they’ve largely been silent and too chickenshit to take on the media and Schiff.

    • Viking1865

      I mean, do you really think that the Intelligence Community (the most Orwellian name in government) isn’t gonna have leverage on every single member of Congress that oversees them?

      Plus Republicans are rule followers. It’s the reason we can’t vote our way out of this. Because Good Republican Rule Followers start with a baseline of “Enforce every single progressive law and policy that has been instituted over the last century, and then try to hold what remains.” It’s like if MacArthur’s strategy in Korea was to hold the Pusan Perimeter until the Commies got bored and went home.

    • Idle Hands

      Nunes was basically called a hack clown by everyone all the time everyday for three years. Makes sense that he was the one closest to the truth.

  36. Nephilium

    I may have found my favorite partnership for delivery during the lockdown. A local brewery partnered up with a local hero to delivery beer, and he’ll use his ballpark voice to let you know that there’s beer here.

  37. Count Potato

    “How Germany Is A COVID Failure

    The incredibly low bar for white people

    Germany has more COVID-19 deaths than Iran but is still held up as an example of great coronavirus management. It’s really not. It’s just structural racism. The western world desperately needs a great white hope, and Germany is it.

    Germany has over 150,000 confirmed cases and over 5,500 deaths. Vietnam — a country with a similar population, far less wealth, and a land border with China — has 268 cases and 0 deaths. Not a few deaths, ZERO. That’s what success in fighting coronavirus looks like, and it’s not Germany. Vietnam, however, is not white people, therefore they don’t count. Did you know Angel Merkel was a scientist?

    If you read the western press, truly successful countries like Vietnam, South Korea, and Taiwan are only held up as oriental curiosities, never as just human nations that could be learned from. They might as well be on Mars.

    Instead, we get coverage of how well Angela Merkel speaks, all while studiously ignoring the horrific death toll in her country. Iran was covered as if it was completely falling apart, and yet the death toll there is almost exactly the same. What gives?

    The western world still cannot understand that it has collapsed. Not in part, not just Trump, the whole rotten edifice has fallen down. Instead, they just grade themselves on a whites-only curve. Italy, France, and the UK have completely failed and America is telling people to drink bleach, so Germany is head of the class…

    Let me be clear. Stop citing Germany as a success story. Germany is a failure. Drop the hubris, the structural racism, and learn something from the rest of the world. It might just save your life.”

    https://medium.com/@indica/germany-is-a-coronavirus-failure-7e2a58f5b4fe

    Do you know who else thought Germany was a failure?

    • UnCivilServant

      How are we assuming that Vietnam’s offiical numbers are any more accurate than China’s?

      • invisible finger

        Vietnam is the only country reporting zero. Weird that the outlier is considered as anything other than an out-and-out liar.

      • Drake

        Yet is was a port-call in Vietnam that infected the Sailors on the Roosevelt.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Yeah, we all believe the Iranian numbers.

    • robc

      Ummm…Scott Sumner has been pimping Taiwan for months. Maybe we read a different “western press”? I don’t read news sites, I read econ sites.

    • leon

      Do you know who else thought Germany was a great white hope?

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      My level of confidence in Iran’s numbers is somewhere between China’s and North Korea’s.

      • UnCivilServant

        I believe that North Korea has no detected fatalities caused by the virus – they all get shot first.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      People this stupid should be limited to picking fruit or sorting crayons.

      • invisible finger

        They already sort the crayons, and eat them afterwards.

      • pan fried wylie

        They already sort the crayons

        Yeah, but, by height and # of chars in the color name.

    • Raven Nation

      Here’s another report on Vietnam. I have no way of knowing if their numbers are accurate, but they did act pretty quickly. Being an authoritarian state, they shut down air travel, introduced mandatory testing and quarantine (“Vietnam has isolated all people even suspected of being infected. Tens of thousands of people have been placed into quarantine.”). They’re opening back up now so it will be interesting to see what happens.

      The other possible factor here is urban/rural. I wonder if the focus has been on the cities (the article seems to suggest that). It’s possible there are more infections in the rural areas, especially closer to the Chinese border.

  38. straffinrun

    Asked my friend this tonight:

    Which is (or has the potential) to cause the most harm to the US:

    The war on poverty
    The war on drugs
    The war on terror
    The war on Covid

    Not as clear cut if you think about it.

    • robc

      Poverty, covid, terror, drugs.

      Did I get it right?

      • straffinrun

        Nope. Answer is: No, you don’t have any friends.

      • Nephilium

        I’d say drugs, covid, poverty, terror. Drugs created the search and seizure, walking probable cause detectors (drug dogs), quite a bit of financial laws, etc.

    • Viking1865

      COVID, easily. They’re simultaneously banning commerce while they print money, and have set a precedent that unelected bureaucrats are de facto dictators whenever some new strain of virus pops up. None of the other ones have the potential to actually destroy the country. We might be looking at 20% unemployment, plus a return of a nasty inflation, plus Dr. Whatever in the fall deciding the new flu strain is Just Like Covid 19 and everyone has to lock down until Senile Joe ascends the Iron Throne to rubber stamp whatever Clapper, Brennan, and whatever monster they make Attorney General has decided needs to be done to Punish the Deplorables.

      • straffinrun

        It’s tough measuring loss of life (war on terror led to many dead), loss of time (prison for drugs or covid house arrest), lose of productivity (war on poverty sapping incentive to work) and putting them up against each other. War on Covid is worse in terms of scale of civil liberties violations and certainly could be economically the worst of all four.

      • Idle Hands

        Covid is going to cause millions of people to starve to death and all kinds of second order deaths that are incalculable. Compared to the others which boil down to essentially local new stories of fuckups in scale.

      • commodious spittoon

        That Adam Smith line, “There’s a great deal of ruin in a nation,” springs to mind… but ruination can be soaked up over time, ideally decades, whereas we’re catching all the ruin in a swift series of gut punches.

      • robc

        I think poverty is worse, because a small percent reduction of growth over a long, long time is worse than a hopefully short term depression.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        Yes, and the cultural impact, especially in black communities, has created some pernicious knock-on effects.

    • Idle Hands

      Covid is possibly the singlehandely dumbest bit of public policy to ever be implemented in the history of the world.

  39. Rebel Scum

    *looks in mirror* Nope, still not a racist.

    “You know what, Whoopi, we all know now that he’s a racist. He’s a disgusting racist,” Behar said. “We knew it when he attacked Mexicans. We knew it when he defended Charlottesville people. And we know it when he goes after China and he goes after a Chinese-American girl. He is a racist. He throws red meat to his base on a regular basis, and anybody who still supports this guy needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves if they are racist also. That’s all I have to say about him. I’ve had enough of him.”

    Still clinging bitterly to this demonstrably false narrative… And the one about the mexicans when he was referring to the violent gang ms-13…and the thing about the Chinese reporter which is also a totally false characterization…I am starting to think these people are mendacious hacks. But to be fair, in Behar’s case it could just be low IQ.

    • leon

      Don’t the good people of charlottesville deserve to be defended? / overly glib

      • Chipwooder

        Charlottesville is loaded to the gills with commies, so, no.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      I mean China handled all of this above board and by the book so any criticism of them is obviously racism. The China shills are getting old.

    • Drake

      When a word is stretched, warped, and mishandled enough, it loses all meaning. Call me a racist for disagreeing with the leftist narrative – I’ll laugh. It means nothing from them.

  40. Aloysious

    Good morning, Spud.

    I’m enjoying a rainy morning with black as sin coffee. It’s perfect.

    • AlexinCT

      Black souled and bitter? Like I like my women, huh?

      • Aloysious

        Blacker. ?

  41. The Late P Brooks

    SUCCESS!

    More than 2.98 million Americans filed for unemployment last week, the Labor Department reported on Thursday, as the shutdowns caused by the coronavirus outbreak continued to deepen the worst economic catastrophe since the Great Depression.

    The new report, which covers the week ending May 9, pushes the two-month total of losses since states adopted strict stay-at-home measures to more than 36 million. All of the jobs created during the past decade have been wiped out; unemployment at this scale hasn’t been recorded since the Great Depression.

    Although the number is still grim ⁠— it’s the eighth straight week that layoffs were counted in the millions ⁠— it’s the lowest amount of jobless claims since the week ended March 15. Last week’s count was revised up by 7,000 to 3.176 million.

    The four-week moving average was 19.8 million, up 2.7 million from the previous week.

    Continuing claims, which tracks the number of out-of-work Americans receiving jobless benefits, rose by 456,000 to 22.83 million, indicating that a broad swath of unemployed workers are still not being brought back to work.

    The number comes on the heels of the April jobs report, which revealed that in the span of one month, more than 20 million people found themselves out of work, pushing the unemployment rate to 14.7 percent — the highest since record-keeping began in 1948.

    The splinter was removed. Unfortunately, the patient died on the operating table.

    • Rebel Scum

      That happens when you remove the splinter by severing the ephemeral artery.

    • commodious spittoon

      They say a dog is only three missed meals from going feral… I wonder how long it takes before the unemployed find work as militants.

      • Fourscore

        …and people from becoming revolutionaries…

  42. The Late P Brooks

    Germany has over 150,000 confirmed cases and over 5,500 deaths. Vietnam — a country with a similar population, far less wealth, and a land border with China — has 268 cases and 0 deaths. Not a few deaths, ZERO. That’s what success in fighting coronavirus looks like, and it’s not Germany. Vietnam, however, is not white people, therefore they don’t count.

    I’m convinced.

    • Viking1865

      Taking commie nations ludicrous statistics at face value, a tradition nearly a century old.

      • leon

        I’m just gonna say, taking any third world nations stats without asking how much they are looking at this is silly. It’s the “You can’t see me cause i can’t see you” version of covid testing.

      • commodious spittoon

        Cuba has the highest literacy rate in the world, just ask the Castros.

      • Tejicano

        Add to that the fact that teaching a native Spanish speaker to read is a trivial task. It takes a couple weeks at the most. The language is spoken exactly as it is written.

        It only sounds impressive to “educated” English speaking monolinguists who don’t know the difference.

      • leon

        Wouldn’t a hard part of learning to read though be the understanding of the symbols, what sounds they mean and how to then put them together. I get that english can be harder to learn from a standpoint of someone who already understands language and reading, but when you don’t know how to read any language, i think it will still be fairly difficult.

    • Rebel Scum

      Because Vietnam has the capacity to test at the same rate as Germany…

    • PieInTheSky

      I remember reading a while ago the vitnamese govenrment hacked some chinese government entity and found out early about the contagion. Not sure if true

    • B.P.

      Also, I’ve seen bunches of articles on South Korea’s (mentioned in that article) approach. “If I ignore all inconvenient media mentions, I can crank out 2,000 words on the West’s racism. And I’m on a tight deadline from my editor to call something racist!”

  43. Scruffy Nerfherder

    It’s official now, the Fed is pushing on a string.

    Their action to start buying ETFs of corporate bond is an admission of as much. The Fed is putting money out to the banks, but the banks won’t lend it because companies are at risk of going insolvent.

    We’re past liquidity being an issue and cash flow problems, no amount of lending is going to solve the airlines’ problems or the restaurants’ problems because they don’t have any customers.

    • DOOMco

      Why do you want people to die

    • Idle Hands

      It’s quite scary what’s happening.

  44. The Late P Brooks

    We’re past liquidity being an issue and cash flow problems, no amount of lending is going to solve the airlines’ problems or the restaurants’ problems because they don’t have any customers.

    Which is why we have to give every American 2 (or 5, or 50) thousand dollars per month for an indeterminate period of time.

    Release the helicopters!

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Well duh….

  45. The Late P Brooks

    Our best. Our brightest.

    The chairman of the US Federal Reserve warned Wednesday that the economic shock from the coronavirus is “without modern precedent” and “significantly worse” than any recession since World War II.
    Investors didn’t like what they heard. The Dow shed more than 2% after the warning from the central banker, and the S&P 500 closed down 1.75%
    Powell said while economic forecasts are uncertain even in the best times, the speed of the recovery depends on a series of essentially unanswerable questions: How quickly can the coronavirus be brought under control? Will new testing, treatments and vaccines be effective? When will consumer confidence return?

    “There is a sense, growing sense I think, that the recovery may come more slowly than we would like,” the central banker said during a virtual event at the Peterson Institute of International Economics.

    “I’m beginning to think this might become a stumbling block, at some point.”

    It’s retards, all the way down.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Would it be possible for him to sugar coat this news? That would make it easier to accept.

      • Fourscore

        That is the sugar coated version of the future

    • R C Dean

      It shows the utter incompetence of Fauci and the rest of the “public health” gang that they weren’t factoring in the known adverse public health effects of (1) delays in treatment caused by banning scheduled surgeries and otherwise fanning the flames of panic so that treatment has been delayed across the board and (2) a deep recession.

      We’ll see how bad the recession is, but I am pretty confident that, on net, our public health “experts” have cost more lives, possibly many more lives, than they saved.

      • Pine_Tree

        I mostly agree with you RC, but there’s one thing that’s been floating around in the back of my mind about your #1 – hospitals are pretty dangerous places, and I’ve wondered whether avoiding a lot of the elective surgeries and even well-meant treatments hasn’t saved more lives on net than it’s cost.

        Basically, if you’re sick or decrepit, you might actually do better to stay that way at home instead of getting treated for it and getting an infection or complication. I know this is kinda your whole world, so you get the net impact better than me, but that’s been my “hmmm….” thing on stopping the electives.

      • invisible finger

        Don’t confuse “elective” with “unnecessary”.

      • R C Dean

        I have a vested interest, etc. so, grain of salt, but the majority of elective/scheduled surgeries are done on patients who aren’t “decrepit” (one outlier would be the cath lab putting in pacemakers and the like – a fair number of those are on very old people). The term “elective” is unfortunate; it sounds too much like “optional”, when all it really means is “scheduled” (as opposed to emergency).

        The rate of actual hospital-acquired infections is actually very low – I’d have to look it up for our facility, but we do in excess of 20,000 surgeries a year, I believe, and the hospital acquired infections on those patients are in the low dozens.

      • invisible finger

        Fauci, Redfield, etc. are just knee-jerk central planners. They don’t realize how much of their actual credibility they flush when they get off on their positions of authority.

        I read a book of Feynman speeches last year. In one he remembered when he was in his 20’s and there was a conference with physicists from all over the globe. He started asking Neils Bohr all kinds of questions – during a break one of his colleagues told him “You can’t question Neils Bohr like that!” Feynman’s answer was (paraphrasing) “Why not? I’m not asking him questions of character, I have scientific curiosity about what he said.” At a dinner later that evening Bohr came up to Feynman and thanked him for the questions he hadn’t thought of and got back to him weeks later after doing some additional research.

  46. Rebel Scum

    *spits out coffee*

    Michael Flynn’s sentencing judge Wednesday asked a former federal judge to explore whether Trump’s former national security adviser should face a contempt hearing for perjury after he pleaded guilty to a crime for which he now claims to be innocent.

    U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan also asked retired New York federal Judge John Gleeson to make a nonbinding recommendation whether to order Flynn, who pleaded guilty to a crime and now claims innocence, to explain why he should not be found in criminal contempt for lying under oath in his guilty plea.

    Sullivan’s request to Gleeson comes one day after Sullivan had put on hold the Justice Department’s bid to drop charges against Flynn, saying he expects independent groups and legal experts to argue against the move.

    “The Court exercises its inherent authority to appoint The Honorable John Gleeson (Ret.) as amicus curiae to present arguments in opposition to the government’s Motion to Dismiss,” Sullivan wrote in a two-page order.

    Agree to a plea deal and still get fucked. This judge should be impeached and disbarred.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Either Sullivan is functionally retarded or somebody is pressuring him behind the scenes. I can’t come up with any other explanations.

      • DOOMco

        It’s definitely one of those.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        He’s putting his entire career and reputation at risk by pulling this stunt, because that’s what this is, a stunt which is going to get slapped down hard.

      • Drake

        If Biden wins in 6 months, he’s a contender for the Supreme Court.

      • AlexinCT

        Why not both?

        The desperation from team blue weaponized bureaucracy to make sure Flynn is kept unable to talk or act is front & center here. The goal here is to run out the clock for now hoping they can steal the November election and shut everything down. If Flynn is no longer able to be kept quiet, what he will be able to disclose will destroy this cabal’s ability to keep operating.

      • Pine_Tree

        I think they’ll still have the ability to keep operating, since I doubt there will be any consequences. But I think that an early and damning exposure of this will remove the cover that the RINOs were looking for.

        In other words, if nothing really got out in public, the RINOs can do their thing and back a Donk. If it got too open and hot shortly before the election, the RINOs can act all embarrassed by how “impolitic” Trump is, and still back the Donk, without having to explain why they’re OK with all this stuff.

        By laying out the case piecemeal over time, part of what they’re doing may be polluting all the “moderate” Donks that the RINOs were hoping for.

        Believe me, I’d love to see the right thing happen to the perps. I just don’t think it will.

      • AlexinCT

        So you are telling me team red is OK with the fact team blue has now made it clear they will NEVER allow a team red candidate to actually win another election, and when that somehow happens, that candidate will be taken down and prevented from actually doing the job? Cause I suspect the team red people, even if it is for pure self serving need, wouldn’t take this reality and just live with it.

      • invisible finger

        If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

      • Pine_Tree

        Well, some of the true believers on team red will object, sure. But most of them want to be the loyal opposition (insert standard cocktail party meme here) and have the national media say nice things about them. In their local situations, they get re-elected for saying (but never actually doing) things in opposition to the Donks. So they need to be in that opponent/underdog position. “Politics is local”.

      • Florida Man

        Idk, controlled opposition. The illusion of choice. Somebody posted that all of DC is interconnected by marriage/family ties, etc. if your buddy ask you to play the bad guy that always loses in exchange for power/money, who is going to say no?

      • B.P.

        If Biden were to be elected in November, there will be, or should be, immediate calls for impeachment. Hopefully on the flimsiest of charges. These are the new rules.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        Does it have to be either/or? I’m going with both.

    • leon

      The Court exercises its inherent authority to appoint The Honorable John Gleeson (Ret.) as amicus curiae to present arguments in opposition to the government’s Motion to Dismiss,

      Once again, Can a lawyer fill in on how common this is? Or rather, how accepted it is (something could be uncommon, but still acceptable, impeachment for example)? this and the 9th is the first time i’ve heard of judges requesting Amicus Curiae to argue for a position because they felt the one side was being deficient. I know Amicus Curaie are common, but only for them to be submitted, not solicited.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        IANA trial lawyer, but I thought this type of thing was usually for when a third party whose interests are at stake can’t be represented in the court. Things like representing the kid’s interests during a particularly complex custody dispute.

      • R C Dean

        Almost completely unheard of for a trial court. And also unnecessary, since the judge can always hold him in criminal contempt on his own motion (which is what he asked the amicus to brief). I honestly have no idea what game he is playing here. This would be yet another example of convicting somebody for a process crime when there is no underlying crime, which I think shouldn’t ever happen. Remember, this isn’t “we couldn’t convict because the process crime obstructed our investigation to the point where we couldn’t prove it”. This is the prosecutor saying there was never an underlying crime.

        One question: if a judge sentences somebody for criminal contempt, does the government have to imprison him? Is it a requirement to do so, or an authorization to do so?

        If Flynn is actually convicted of anything, I think Trump has to pardon him. Either way, I hope he re-appoints him to his original position, but probably should hold off until after the election.

        If Sullivan convicts him of criminal contempt, I hope that the Republicans in the Senate bring him up for impeachment and removal. It will fail, but putting him on the stand under oath and grilling him would be worth it. Ted cruz is an excellent cross-examiner and a former federal prosecutor, and would be my choice.

      • WTF

        There is no legal provision for Amicus briefs in trial proceedings in criminal law – only the prosecutors and defense are to be heard from. Asking for and appointing someone to do an Amicus filing in a criminal case is extra-legal bullshit that should result in the judge being removed.

      • Ozymandias

        Unheard of. If I were his defense attorney, I would be going apeshit. There’s probably a mandamus motion/writ being drafted now by Flynn’s lawyers for the DC Cir Court.

        The other part of this that is absurd is that by Sullivan’s logic no plea can ever be overturned. The minute someone says, “hey, my plea was coerced,” Sullivan is suggesting that now we prosecute the guy who had his plea coerced – and completely ignore the actions of the prosecutors. It’s banana republic shit and not a good luck for him. Ask yourself this uncomfortable question, imagine if Flynn were a black guy and this were an overzealous drug prosecution. Does Sullivan solicit an amicus brief to see if he can get some other judge to opine on why he shouldn’t go after the poor guy who was railroaded in that hypothetical??

        I think I said before, I’ve had two cases before Sullivan and he was a really smart, even-handed guy, but Trump has broken a lot of people’s brains. I’ve known and done cases with Mark Zaid, too (Ciaramella’s lawyer) – in front of Sullivan, in fact, now that I think about it. Trump appears to have broken Mark’s brain, too. It’s a shame, but my Facebook feed is also filled with same – folks I know who have simply lost their fucking minds and ability to reason in the face of their emotional reaction to ongoing events. And yes, I really do blame the stereopticon of constant Media attacks, leaks, lies, demonization of innocent people, fear-mongering, etc. People are too tuned in to a particular narrative and the Media – including social media – just turns confirmation bias up to 37.

      • Ozymandias

        Not a good look for him

      • invisible finger

        “Sullivan is suggesting that now we prosecute the guy who had his plea coerced – and completely ignore the actions of the prosecutors. It’s banana republic shit”

        Absolutely! My first thought was Iran.

      • invisible finger

        “Ask yourself this uncomfortable question, imagine if Flynn were a black guy and this were an overzealous drug prosecution.”

        Repeating myself, this is Obama – the same guy who made it a crusade to get homicide interviews videotaped in Illinois as a point of law because of so many coerced confessions/pleas. The cumstain is now flushing the one thing that was his shining career achievement.

  47. DOOMco

    I found this last week.
    Of you want to watch a man with almost no idea how to build a land cruiser try to build a land cruiser, this is great.

    https://youtu.be/VfcqnxBGdDY
    It’s up in the 40th or so episode now. I’m not even halfway through.

    Other update. Ladydoom is off the meds. No real change. There’s an upcoming scan again for fluid. I really hope this isn’t a quarterly drain. She’s ok now, and the fingertips have full feeling again!

    • Gustave Lytton

      Good news! Hope she continues to improve (it does sound better than it was).

  48. Sean

    https://6abc.com/health/droplets-can-last-in-air-for-more-than-8-minutes-study/6181740/

    Are ya scared yet?

    New research indicates the coronavirus could remain in the air for more than eight minutes after talking.

    “The airborne lifetime of small speech droplets and their potential importance in SARS-CoV-2 transmission” report by The University of Pennsylvania and the National Institutes of Health was published this week in the journal ‘Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.’

    While the experiment did not specifically involve COVID-19 or any other virus, researchers used a laser light to examine the number of small respiratory droplets produced from human speech.

    • Rebel Scum

      Are ya scared yet?

      That this nonsense is being exploited by authoritarians for the sake of power/control? Yes.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      While the experiment did not specifically involve COVID-19 or any other virus

      OFFS

    • B.P.

      These droplets, are they helium?

      • pan fried wylie

        below a certain size, particles don’t just drop out of the air.

  49. The Late P Brooks

    Michael Flynn’s sentencing judge Wednesday asked a former federal judge to explore whether Trump’s former national security adviser should face a contempt hearing for perjury after he pleaded guilty to a crime for which he now claims to be innocent.

    Fucking plea bargains- how do they work?

    • AlexinCT

      Your mistake here is to think this judge cares about the application of the law and is not actually acting in desperation on behalf of a criminal cabal to do whatever it takes to keep the genie in the bottle. Once Flynn is no longer gagged by this banana republicesque miscarriage of justice, the damage he will do to the myths about the most ethical/scandal free administration, black Jesus, and the deep state will kill 50 years of careful maneuvering to weaponize the bureaucracy in favor of team blue oligarchs. People forget he was part of the insider cabal and knows where the bodies are buried, called that cabal out on its criminality and abuses, which is why Obama hated him so and we have this banana republicesque attempt to fuck Flynn over.

      • commodious spittoon

        I just don’t see it. Not that you’re not right about the politics behind Sullivan’s bizzaro-world prosecution, but, like the Tara Reade situation, Flynn’s credibility will be dismissed for having pled guilty. That’s all it will take, a paper-thin excuse with which to hang him. We’re well past the point of compelling evidence or a solid narrative shifting public opinion on matters. He’ll just be steamrolled, as will anyone standing up for him.

      • invisible finger

        Oh please. Everybody knows how plea bargaining works – most people who aren’t playing stupid realize the guy was legally harassed for three years all in an effort to bankrupt him to force the plea.

      • commodious spittoon

        most people who aren’t playing stupid

        But most people are. Look at the flagrant, undeniable hypocrisy toward Reade, even in the face of having persecuted men for much less than what Biden’s accused of doing. Men who are seemingly much more circumspect (or at least, have much less material evidence of their creepiness) than Biden. The movement was a political frame-up from the start, everyone knows that, but nobody on the left can acknowledge that fact. So they play stupid. They act like they can’t see what’s immediately obvious to everyone. That’s our political culture now, being incredibly, selectively stupid about obvious truths. And it’s not just the hack vanguards that are doing this while “normal Americans” roll their eyes and vote pragmatically. The vanguards make palatable the excuses that voters will use to vote how they would have voted anyway.

      • AlexinCT

        But most people are. Look at the flagrant, undeniable hypocrisy toward Reade, even in the face of having persecuted men for much less than what Biden’s accused of doing.

        The fact that they will pretend that the criminal behavior was not that doesn’t mean they don’t know it was. See the beauty of this stuff is that sooner than later they will be forced to eat the shit they took. Like in the case of Tara Reade. We got months of #MeToo stupidity because they desperately wanted to block orange man’s pick, but as soon as one of their own got pegged, they admitted that they had a double standard, because him they would give a pass. The damage that sort of revelation does is worth it. I can’t wait for them to try and call out a team red judge for overstepping the law and people throwing this shit in their face.

        The true believers will fake ignorance, but the non-committed will see team blue for what it is.

      • R C Dean

        I just don’t see it.

        Me neither. Even if Trump reappoints him, I don’t think it will roll back the weaponized Deep State all that much. That would take mass firings, which in turn would require Congress to amend the Civil Service Act. And that ain’t happening.

  50. creech

    Love the picture! “Open Borders Libertarian” finally caught Charles Koch dumpster diving for food, now that Koch has lost billions due to the Trump depression.

  51. The Late P Brooks

    Either Sullivan is functionally retarded or somebody is pressuring him behind the scenes. I can’t come up with any other explanations.

    Is he a member of he “Obama Alumni Association”?

    • Drake

      Trump has an eye for talent.

      • WTF

        She is also savage the way she slaps down reporters trying “gotcha” questions.

    • R C Dean

      She’s a vicious little counterpuncher, too, who has the ability to convey her contempt for the press with a smile.

      I like her, so far.

    • leon

      Hahaha. See she made fun of the claim that Obama commited crimes and that this was a scandal. No one can make fun of something serious, so clearly this isn’t that bad.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        We’re at danger of becoming a completely lawless nation.

      • Chipwooder

        Well, we have a judge appointing his own personal prosecutor now in order to get the outcome he desires for a case, so…..

      • invisible finger

        Anarchy is “bad” but enacting a billion laws produces the same result (at a higher cost).

    • Rebel Scum

      Snark is only fun if it is reflective of reality. This person is a mendacious hack.

      • leon

        more eloquent put on what i was trying to get at.

      • DOOMco

        Don’t beat yourself up

    • Chipwooder

      Man, that’s third-tier-Midwestern-state-college-school-paper-quality writing. You’d think WaPo would at least demand well-written propaganda.

      • Gender Traitor

        Education: Harvard College, BA in English, Classics Secondary Field

        So…it must be Hahvuhd-school-paper-quality writing.

      • Chipwooder

        hahahahahahahahah….a sterling exemplar of the superiority of that Ivy education.

      • invisible finger

        Reminds me of Harvard graduate Thomas Sowell’s line: The road to Hell is paved with Ivy League degrees.

      • juris imprudent

        I think it is proof of what Harvard actually produces, rather than what they are presumed to produce.

      • invisible finger

        My sister is a faculty PhD at Harvard Med. (Not a physician.) Basically one level up from “peon”. She administers a continuing education program.

        Anyway, her favorite line is from a critical employee review from her boss/dean:” We don’t expect A-grade work here.”

        That dean was weeks later embroiled in scandal of incompetence at the local VA hospital. In typical Harvard fashion, rather than simply fire the guy and, they did two things: 1) they just added that program to another dean’s org chart, thereby inserting yet another level of management, and 2) started a competing continuing education program with essentially the same curriculum with a completely different name under yet another dean to hide the fact that it was the same thing. Mind you, these programs are all funded from federal grants, so they’re basically double-dipping to save face (and waste money) because God forbid they actually directly address a problem.

        Thank GOD Harvard doesn’t actually have their own hospital.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      What has become apparent with the release of the unmasking requests is that the entire administrative bureaucracy was compromised. That’s why everyone in the Deep State and their brother was fighting so hard to keep this from being revealed. There’s a lot of livelihoods, careers, and even prison time at stake here.

      Obama was successful in bringing Chicago to DC.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Go ahead and mock the content of the story, but leave the reporter alone! She’s a real dish….

      • PieInTheSky

        pic?

      • Chipwooder

        It’s a pun – look at her name

      • PieInTheSky

        I cant I don’t click washingtonpost links because they give a paywall page

      • Chipwooder

        Aha….her name is Alexandra Petri

    • B.P.

      Operation That’s Old News is now in full effect.

    • Annoyed Nomad

      It’s like an ice cream truck for beer drinkers. I wonder if he plays a certain tune while driving through the neighborhood?

      • PieInTheSky

        fight for your right to party? this would be a good covid song in general

  52. The Late P Brooks

    Facebook will save you from yourself

    About 90 percent of the hate speech Facebook removed in the last quarter was detected automatically before being reviewed by someone, the company said. In 2018, that figure stood at about 24 percent, company CEO Mark Zuckerberg said in a call with media, “and up from roughly zero percent the year before that.” All told, the company deleted about 9.6 million incidents of hate speech in the first quarter, as compared to about 5.7 million in the previous report period, and removed about 4.7 million posts from or related to hate groups specifically.

    Facebook, like every other platform out there right now, is also grappling with COVID-19 misinformation, which proliferates quickly when you have more than 2.6 billion users. In April, Facebook’s fact-checkers “put about 50 million labels on pieces of content related to COVID-19 based on 7,500 articles,” Zuckerberg said. Apparently, those labels work; about 95 percent of the time, viewers do not click through to content that has been warned to be false.

    We only serve one flavor of koolaid bleach, in this establishment.

    • WTF

      They consider anything that contradicts the official narrative to be “misinformation”, actual facts be damned.

  53. PieInTheSky

    This is pretty jaw-dropping. Clement Attlee’s Labour government advertised jobs within the Ministry of Labour in 1946. Advert went out. “No Jews required”.

    https://twitter.com/EquusontheBuses/status/1260608434833063937

    Fine fine we’ll taker the Jews but no Irish!

    • Raven Nation

      How can an historian of propaganda be surprised about this?

  54. Rebel Scum

    I didn’t realize he had any integrity to attack.

    Some of Mr. Trump’s advisers believe that there isn’t a downside in attacking Mr. Obama, who is vastly more popular than Mr. Biden. They argue that Mr. Trump challenged Mr. Obama’s record throughout the 2016 campaign, and they take Mr. Trump’s victory as affirmation of his approach.

    But the president is now attacking Mr. Obama’s integrity, not just his policies, a move that makes some of Mr. Trump’s advisers anxious. In a survey of voters in 17 battleground states commissioned by the Republican National Committee in March, Mr. Obama was deeply popular, especially compared with current elected officials. Sixty percent of respondents said they viewed Mr. Obama favorably, compared with 36 percent who said they saw him negatively, according to a person briefed on the data.

    • juris imprudent

      Anyone still in the tank for Obama is a bigger mouth-breather than the lowest Trump supporter.

  55. The Late P Brooks

    What could possibly go wrong?

    With nearly 4 million borrowers in forbearance on their mortgage, we still don’t have a complete picture of what happens when forbearance periods end. Borrowers got some clarity on the situation last month, when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac said that borrowers are not required to repay all their missed payments at once.

    And as it turns out, borrowers in forbearance may not have to repay their missed payments at all until the end of their loan thanks to a new repayment option from the GSEs.

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac announced Wednesday that they are rolling out a new payment deferral option for borrowers in forbearance.

    Under the new program, borrowers who took forbearance due to a coronavirus-related issue will not have to repay their missed payments until the borrower sells their house, refinances their current mortgage, or their mortgage matures.

    According to the GSEs and the Federal Housing Finance Agency, the deferral option is available to borrowers in forbearance who regain the ability to pay their mortgage on time. Under the program, the borrower simply starts making their mortgage payments again when they’re able and any missed payments are deferred to the end of their loan.

    ——-

    “This will help borrowers keep their mortgage payment current following their hardship when other options—such as reinstatement, or a repayment plan—are not viable,” Freddie Mac said.

    If a borrower chooses this new option, the principal, interest and any other expenses advanced by the mortgage servicer are deferred into a non-interest-bearing forborne balance that will become due at the end the loan.

    According to Freddie Mac, the maturity date, remaining term, interest rate and payment schedule of the borrower’s mortgage remains the same as it was before.

    Freddie Mac also said that utilizing the payment deferral option does not prevent a homeowner from “ultimately being eligible for a Freddie Mac modification if payment relief is needed in the future.”

    Piece of cake. It’s not like there’s anybody on the other side of that transaction.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      The Fed will buy all the CDOs. No biggie.

    • Chipwooder

      Looks like, yet again, I’m a sucker for making my payments on time every month

      • Florida Man

        The silver lining in inflation means you’ll be able to pay off your mortgage more quickly. If you paid your mortgage off, you’re a chump…again.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Exactly why I’m refinancing and pulling out money right now. It’s never going to be this cheap again.

  56. Scruffy Nerfherder

    The Grenell release should be front and center news.

    Sites that have no mention of it and maybe only a negative opinion piece on Barr vs Sullivan.

    CNN, MSNBC, ABC, WaPo, NY Times

    CBS has it down-page, half buried

    • juris imprudent

      la la la I can’t hear you, I can’t see you la la la

      [everyone who refuses to accept that the Glorious Obama wasn’t]

    • Agent Cooper

      Catherine Herridge (CBS) ‘broke’ the story.

  57. DEG

    I found a TV station live streaming the Lansing, MI protest.

    It’s still early, but it looks small. It’s also raining. I noticed a few MSP officers.

    • DEG

      And it died…

  58. KSuellington

    Quality links Spud, like what you did there.

    Burt Bacharach Is a musical genius, although he is not a very good singer (I believe I have even heard him admit such).

    And Hyperbole made the most ridiculous comment above (which is an undertaking indeed). Brian Wilson is also most certainly a musical genius.

  59. Rebel Scum

    You don’t recall? Oh, well that makes it ok then.

    “New Day” host John Berman asked Clapper why he made three specific requests to unmask the name of an individual on December 2, December 28 and January 7.

    Clapper said he does not remember why he made those three specific requests, nor does he remember what prompted the request that was made on his behalf.

    “No, I don’t,” Clapper told Berman. “I don’t recall what prompted a request that was made on my behalf for unmasking. I don’t remember the specifics or what it was in the second report that was suggestive enough that I was concerned and felt that I should know who was actually involved.”

    He added of his concerns with Flynn, “There was general concern about the number of engagements with Russians that we were seeing happening. We may not necessarily have known what the content of these engagements were, but there were numerous engagements by representatives of the Trump camp with Russians. So, that was of … general concern anyway. So that, I think, is what attracted the attention of me and other then-serving national security officials.”

    • juris imprudent

      Then perhaps Mr. Clapper you could explain why the log of unmasking was to be held classified until 2045? What particular serious harm to national security would result from exposure without redaction prior to that date?

    • leon

      You don’t recall? Oh, well that makes it ok then.

      Essentially.

      I think the most plausible change that could happen because of this is an even greater restriction of the “Lame Duck” period between election to swearing in.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      He’s fucked either way he answers. If he doesn’t remember because it wasn’t a big deal, that’s in contravention of the way unmasking is supposed to be handled. If he remembers why, he has to justify it by spewing more lies.

      • leon

        It however speaks to a bigger point. If all the evidence you have is “Hey You unmasked this guy” then the GOP has nothing but political fodder. There is no evidence of a crime there without him admitting to not having a good reason. Saying “I don’t remember” seems to be a particularly good defense for establishment cretins.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Everything rests on Durham now.

        As he starts putting lower level cronies thru the meat grinder, some of them are going to turn state’s evidence. There’s so many targets from that unmasking list, that somebody is going to squeal.

      • leon

        Well Biden can plausibly say “I don’t remember”

    • R C Dean

      there were numerous engagements by representatives of the Trump camp with Russians.

      My God, the incoming administration was talking with people we have top-level diplomatic engagements and issues with! Clearly a national security concern.

      If he doesn’t recall his need to know, then there is no evidence that he had any need to know. I don’t see how this helps justify the unmaskings. The burden of proof should be on the person doing the unmasking, to show it was justified, not on those challenging it.

      How is it that unmasking requests don’t require a written statement of need to know?

      • commodious spittoon

        Tissue paper excuse-making, that’s all it is. Just enough to lampshade the issue to avoid having to engage with any real critiques.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        If he doesn’t recall his need to know, then there is no evidence that he had any need to know.

        Exactly

        Now do the ambassador to the UN, the Deputy Undersecretary of the Treasury and the ambassador to Italy. I really want to hear their justifications. Power has specifically denied making unmasking requests in the past to reporters. This should be entertaining.

  60. Ownbestenemy

    So what does the WI supreme court decision mean for then? Will other states look to it and say…huh….maybe there has been an overreach?

  61. The Late P Brooks

    I think it is proof of what Harvard actually produces, rather than what they are presumed to produce.

    If the Harvard Business Review had not already been skinsuited, they could use their own institution as a case study in brand destruction.

  62. The Late P Brooks

    Will other states look to it and say…huh….maybe there has been an overreach?

    You slay me.

  63. The Late P Brooks

    Clapper said he does not remember why he made those three specific requests, nor does he remember what prompted the request that was made on his behalf.

    “When you have destroyed as many lives and reputations as I have, it’s hard to keep them all straight.”

  64. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of “elective” surgeries: I have a friend who desperately needs serious shoulder repairs. She’s SOL for the foreseeable future.

    Public health experts, indeed.

    • R C Dean

      What’s her insurance? If she has coverage (Medicare or a good private plan) in a state that has opened elective surgeries, she should travel and get it done. I can recommend *coff* an excellent joint repair/replacement program in sunny Tucson which is open for business.

  65. The Late P Brooks

    What’s her insurance? If she has coverage (Medicare or a good private plan) in a state that has opened elective surgeries, she should travel and get it done. I can recommend *coff* an excellent joint repair/replacement program in sunny Tucson which is open for business.

    No idea. She has been looking at either Seattle or San Fran (based on Dr’s suggestion, I assume). Neither of which is going to be open for business any time soon, I suspect.

    • Toxteth O’Grady

      What about the Oklahoma Surgery Center? No insurance accepted, of course.

    • R C Dean

      No reason she should limit herself to states that are still locked down. Arizona is open for business. Her doc needs to got off xer ass and make some calls and a referral.