They’ll love him in Boston.
You’d almost think the FA Cup semifinal draw was rigged. But somehow they managed to have the two London clubs drawn against the two Manchester clubs. So prepare yourself for ManUre-Chelski and Man City-Arsenal. I don’t really care who wins. Just as long as it’s not ManUre or Arsenal. The former because they’re a rival, and the latter because every fan of theirs I know is an insufferable douchebag. (Apologies if any of you are Gooners. I didn’t know when I wrote this.) Cam Newton is going to the Patriots. And I’m starting to wonder if the global freakout is gonna kill college football for this year.
Provincial Putz
Actor Slim Pickens was born on this day. He shares it with movie producer Robert Evans, baseball’s Bob Shaw, the great Harmon Killebrew, Black Power activist Stokely Carmichael, actor Gary Busey, comedian Richard Lewis, actor Fred Grandy, a better football player than he was an announcer Dan Dierdorf, rocker Don Dokken, baseball player Pedro Guerrero, football player Pepper Johnson, hockey great Theo Fleury, and Siamese twins Angela and Amy Lakeberg.
The birthdays could have been better. But that’s all I had to work with. Anyway, here are…the links!
Apparently a crime against humanity, or something.
Man seeks the occasional diversion during a crazy time. CNN loses its shit. They can’t even be considered a news outlet at this point. They’re just naked propagandists for the DNC.
California sticks its boot back on the neck of its residents. But don’t worry. It’s allegedly for their own good. The governor says people are too stupid to make their own decisions, and he means it!
As people go bananas about bars or restaurants opening, rallies across the country went on without so much as a peep about how they might be transmitting the disease. It’s all because of the stupid conservatives who sit in a restaurant or on the beach that are the problem, not the throngs of people literally standing shoulder to shoulder, in massive demonstrations, that are the threat for spread.
Heroes or goats?
This is the story I’ve been expecting to happen. And now that it’s here, I can’t wait to see what you guys think about it. I’ll share my thoughts in the comments.
This headline is laughable. We’re becoming the exact opposite, in my opinion. n police states, they round people up for petty offenses and speaking against the government. Here, we allow wholesale rioting and looting with little to no arrests.
But speaking of police states… I wonder if the writer of that last link would care to address shit like this. Somehow I doubt it.
When a virus and weather are racist. Yeah, that’s not how either of those work, you imbecile.
I like there cut of this guy’s jib. I hope there are more like him. But I’m not getting my hopes up.
I’m shocked they printed this. You know, because it goes against the scare-mongering narrative the media are peddling in near-lockstep.
Here’s a great song for you. Enjoy it.
Now have a great day, friends. I’ll be working like a dog.
Don’t point a firearm at someone unless you are ready to kill them. Stand by at port arms for deterrence.
Yeah, that was bad gun discipline.
Also, don’t trespass through a gate that clearly defines private property and then refuse to leave when the property owners tell you to.
Why bad gun discipline? The looks to be pointing it directly at his wife.
Watch what she does. Waving it around like that is plenty dangerous.
Of course. I pointed that out in the overnight. Not the brightest lawyers.
*narrows gaze*
Trespassing isn’t normally something you get to break out the lethal force for.
Typically I’d agree, but when several of the trespassers are armed, as shown in the video, that changes things.
Yeah, you have to wait until the mob that outnumbers you 50 to 1 closes in on your position with overwhelming force and shoves your rifle up your ass before you’re allowed to use it, because we’re all civilized and shit.
This is also where libertarianism lost me tbh.
I’m curious, at what point in the video do you think the lawyer couple would have been able to win a gunfight, should one have popped off?
I don’t see any point at all. So why did they have the guns out in the first place?
Listen up, people, because this is really fucking important. A gun is not a magic wand that you can wave around to make other people obey you. The only thing you can do with a gun is shoot someone, and there are strictly limited situations in which it is both legal and smart to do so. This was not one of those situations.
I’d be pretty surprised if much of the mob decided to stick around after the first 3 or 4 bodies dropped. In any case, having guns you aren’t allowed to use is absolutely fucking worthless. You might as well wait for the cops to arrive.
I think Pat has a point here. Too often we mix up what the Law regarding lethal force is with the libertarian position. We have to be contextual, and pretty much anything you ‘read in the papers’ is going to lack the contextual nuance. Throw in a power seeking DA and you got yourself a 10 year sentence in PMITA prison.
“I’d be pretty surprised if much of the mob decided to stick around after the first 3 or 4 bodies dropped.”
Maybe. Maybe not. The mob didn’t look particularly frightened of the guns. They’ve probably seen dead bodies before, too.
But okay, let’s say that plan worked. You cap three or four of the rioters, and the rest of them scatter. Now the cops are on the way, and you have three dead bodies in your front yard. Can you articulate the reasonable and unavoidable fear for your life that led you to pulling the trigger on three human beings? Particularly after you’ve been caught on camera, leaving a position of relative safety to go outside and argue with them?
I think I’d prefer not to make that argument in front of a judge and jury.
Meh, say that when the mob is at your door.
I agree guns are not toys. Of course they aren’t magic wands, but ne’r do wells intent on causing you harm certainly straighten up when you have one. Brandishing a firearm is certainly a valid step to prevent violence from occurring. The woman was wrong to point hers at the mob however (obviously one of the four rules).
The point that I’m apparently not getting across, is that you can’t legally brandish a firearm unless you would be also be justified in firing it.
What do you mean by brandish?
Display in your hand(s)? I think would vary by jurisdiction. I prolly need to brush up on the finer points of AZ law.
Aim? Yeah, need to be justified in shooting.
My understanding of brandishing is holding the weapon at the ready. Not slung or holstered.
@EvilSheldon: are you talking in this scenario or in any scenario. According to the trainings I’ve taken for carry permit, brandishing (unholstering/unslung and having at the ready) is a step in in the use of force continuum that is one step below pointing at someone and two steps below shooting. The last two are in the deadly force category while the first is still in the reasonable force category.
Book reference for trainings:
https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Concealed-Defense-Fundamentals-Paperback/dp/B00SCTWBG2
Generally speaking use of deadly force is not legally acceptable for defense of property. One could argue the woman was in the deadly force category while the man appeared to be in the reasonable force category.
My fault for being unclear. Brandishing is a legal term and I was using it in a more colloquial sense.
The legal definition of ‘brandishing’ varies from place to place. Often there’s some pap about, “…a manner calculated to cause alarm”.
But that’s not really what we’re talking about here. For the purposes of self-defense, once there’s a gun in someone’s hands, it’s now a lethal force scenario. It doesn’t need to be aimed or pointed or held at the ready, it just needs to be in hand.
If Mr. and Mrs. Lawyer had just strapped up and stood out on their porch with their guns slung/openly holstered, well, it still would have been dumb. But it would have significantly decreased their chances of legal problems.
If Mr. and Mrs. Lawyer had just strapped up and stood out on their porch with their guns slung/openly holstered, well, it still would have been dumb.
I disagree. That is perfectly legal*.
If they had stayed in their house and waited for the mob to come through the door or throw molotovs through their windows, there is a signifcant chance this would have turned out much worse. I don’t believe there was any widely held intent for this “protest” to remain peaceful. If it did, then I think it would be more probing the perimeter, and there is a likelihood the next one would not have been. Antifa has been crystal clear that they want what they have been doing in city centers (rioting and looting) to move to the sububs/residential areas.
*I’ve got slings for my battle rifle and combat shotgun rigged for front carry/”ready”. I’m not clear where the line is between that and “brandishing” or having a gun in my hand, since I can put my hands on the guns while they are still slung. In fact, its natural for me to rest one hand on the barrel while they are slung that way.
I agree the term brandishing has become muddled, like many terms. I am also at fault for misusing it most likely.
Dictionary definition: an act or instance of waving something menacingly or exhibiting something ostentatiously or aggressively
So the couple appeared to be brandishing, at least the woman (and as I said previously, she seemed to be pointing at people, another level up).
Guns are made to be shot, but like many tools they serve multiple purposes. They are very useful at telling someone in no uncertain terms I am not willing to be an easy victim. If they want whatever it is I have, they will need to be as committed to gaining it as I am to retaining it.
“I’m curious, at what point in the video do you think the lawyer couple would have been able to win a gunfight, should one have popped off?”
This logic is used all the time in an attempt to de-legitimize the 2nd Ammendment. “At what point do you think a couple guys with rifles can fight off the American government with M1’s and F-22s?”
When you have two parties disagreeing, both sides are thinking (often irrationally) about the consequences of their next action. If you are headed to a fancy neighborhood, your decision to kick down doors changes whether it is an empty house or a house with armed homeowners standing in front.
I don’t agree with how bellicose these home owners were, but had there actually been a gun fight, and they were able to retreat into their house, I would give them even odds. What looter would watch three of his fellow looters bleeding out and decide to continue charging in? It isn’t about who has the gun, but also about who is willing to use that gun to get what they want. Protecting your home is much more of a incentive than getting a free TV.
There’s obviously a difference between what is legal and what is right. With duty to retreat you can’t shoot someone who kicks in your front door but can if they kick in your bedroom door. Is there a jurisdiction where breaking town the front gate legalizes a lethal response?
I think the lawyer couple could have easily won the gunfight — if they were the ones that initiated it.
As to whether or not they had the moral right to do so — I don’t know that there is even a framework of agreed value that exists anymore that can be used to answer that. Unless you’re willing to believe in the supernatural (which most people do, whether or not they admit it) then human life is like anything else — it only has the value someone gives to it.
Quoted for (big T) Truth
The only thing you can do with a gun is shoot someone,
Those Koreans in 1992 whose shops didn’t get overrun without a round being fired would beg to differ.
The presence of a firearm makes everybody involved rethink their actions. Oftentimes a defensive gun use doesn’t require shots to be fired to be effective.
That mindset works, right up until it doesn’t. Then you end up dead or in jail.
Nobody needs an AR with a 30 bullet clip that goes up.
I love how the writer pointed out how rich they are seventeen times in the first paragraph.
Rich to the people that want to destroy prosperity of any kind, is synonymous with evil….
She looked pretty ready. She also looked like the type of person where the gun accidentally gets discharged.
Also, the videos I’ve seen are missing the first part. I doubt these people just randomly ran out their front door brandishing firearms. Something was done to put them in action and it wasn’t people just walking by on the street.
Gotta say I’m torn. If it takes Docker’s and a gunt to be the first to stand up to the mob, maybe we all should let our gunts fly.
We’re apparently out of Koreans.
Both of them were an accident waiting to happen. She was holding that gun like a fresh wine glass after downing the first three.
American democracy, it turns out, is sustained not by our institutions but by our people, many of whom filled the streets at great personal risk to demand the ideals this country prides itself on for all its citizens.
Works better when it’s to kill redcoats instead of your neighbors.
Eighth ?1/1!!?
people, many of whom filled the streets at great personal risk to demand the ideals this country prides itself on for all its citizens.
A lot of the ideals these people are protesting for are completely at odds with what we pride ourselves on. Unless we no longer pride ourselves on private property rights and self-determination.
Shoulder to shoulder and screaming into other citizens faces. Never mind that. Sitting on a patio sipping a beverage is much more of a threat.
Damn, girl. Nice grip and everything. I’m impressed.
Regarding the St. Louis couple (of smoothies) – What in the fuck were you idiots thinking? Did they scoop your fucking brains out when you passed the bar?
I’ve got too many fraternity brothers with law licenses to believe that degree is correlated in any way with intelligence.
*thinks of some lawyers of his acquaintance*
Yeah, fair point.
President Donald Trump spent the weekend on his own often divisive obsessions
Oh great, he must have purchased another Eastern European supermodel.
No divisiveness there – we all agree that is a good move.
Heroes is a bit of a stretch, but they weren’t wrong.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1277438759005491201
Though they need better muzzle discipline.
I mean is there any doubt that the people busting down a gate and charging into that neighborhood intended to loot houses? I could see this turning out a bunch of ways, and Pink Shirt and Mrs Stripey looking like jackasses as they brandished weapons before NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED is frankly, one of the best of those possible outcomes.
The more legally justifiable, but far more inflammatory scenario would have been that a couple of the looters busted through the french doors, charged in and were shot dead.
I have been watching the fucknuts cheer this stuff on in the Twatters. They are looking for this to spread into suburbs, and to see rich mansions looted. I am sure they were hoping to get these mansions charged into and burning, and these two lawyers very quickly gave a dose of reality to the LARPers.
Wait until they find out about vacation homes!
“The more legally justifiable, but far more inflammatory scenario would have been that a couple of the looters busted through the french doors, charged in and were shot dead.”
This. Also better from a tactical standpoint. It’s much easier to defend a small number of choke points than to stand out in the open like a moron.
True. And also, at what point do your own actions result in a tactical situation that you yourself then use to justify escalation? If one of the mob members started flanking the couple, could they then use the threat of being surrounded to fire the first shot?
It always looks best to draw last; it’s an incredible shame that looks matter to juries. I’d also say that escalation in the code is garbage talk: talk is talk, and threat is threat, and violence is violence: no amount of yo-mamas is the same as a raised fist.
But yes: the credibility of threat turns on perceived threat and urgency; urgency turns on space. Their being in their yard should have nothing to do with that part of the discussion: if someone raises a fist and starts running at you, even in a kindergarten playground on a Sunday morning with doG in siH heaven while choirs of brownie scouts sing and doves coo for justice, somewhere around two seconds out you can’t put off making a decision anymore and someone gets a cap in his ass.
Setting aside the couple in St. L, what we are really looking at is legal attempts to challenge a moral structure. But, and here is the kicker, one set of morals (guns are evil/killing is wrong in any circumstances) has not sufficiently supplanted the moral of individual freedoms (guns are a tool/sometimes you need to kill). Which is why there are laws such as stand-your-ground, duty-to-retreat, some-guns-are-bad, brandishing, and whatnot.
The attempt is to solve a moral problem with a legal solution. Society doesn’t work that way though.
Ehh…maybe? There’s no legal doctrine anywhere that requires you to give the other guy the first shot.
The problem here is that the lawyers left their house, where they were more or less secure, and confronted the mob. A politically motivated DA could use that fact to argue that 1.) They didn’t really think that they were in danger and thus don’t meet the legal requirement of self-defense; and 2.) They were the first party to escalate to lethal force, and thus are responsible for the outcome.
Those arguments may or may not work with the jury, but wouldn’t it be better not to have to worry about them at all?
My point was that it would be Legal, and yet worse overall for society. “Rich WHITE lawyers shoot poor BLACK protesters. The shooting happened at 10am this morning as the mostly peaceful protest wound itself through the predominately white, affluent gated community.”
The assholes egging this on in Twitter want EXACTLY this scenario. They want the race war. They want people charging into houses and getting killed, because they want the protests to fail. The last thing they want is for peaceful protests to result in meaningful change, since that will prevent a marxist revolution.
These homeowners did a poor showing of their gun discipline. They also stopped a riot before it could happen. People had already broken down a gate, and they were streaming into the neighborhood for…what exactly? At too many other places, a “protest” sits in an area, stirring and stirring until finally the trouble makers bust down doors and it turns into a riot. These lawyers, for all of their idiocy, stopped that process.
And yet, violence and death was averted, at least in part, because they had superior weapons and appeared ready to use them. Seems like a better outcome to me.
Most people can’t survive a sustained firefight like you describe. 95% of gun owners the act of simply having one is enough.
Good morning, Sloopy!
I hope you and the girls had a groovy weekend.
Theo Fleury should get royalty checks from every subsequent small player that made it in the NHL. He was a tremendous player and all around badass.
I like there cut of this guy’s jib.
Same. But I share your doubts about the numbers of people like him. It seems like people are largely going the other way. Must. Freak. Out!!
Great song. I think I’ll be spinnin’ that album this morning.
I hope you and the rest of the motley crew have a fantastic Monday! Heat advisories here, so this yeti will be melting.
That song was on heavy rotation at the roller disco rink, back in the long ago. I met my first wife there. I was 15 or so.
Hah!
Yes, I remember that, too. Also Billy Squier, Kiss and the Cars.
Poor kids today. The roller rink was a fantastic place, full of sound, lights, hormones and tube tops.
But mostly tube tops!
Yes, she was wearing a tube top and high-waisted, skin tight jeans. I was smitten. Took me 10 years to get her but I finally did. What a waste.
Theo Fleury should get royalty checks from every subsequent small player that made it in the NHL. He was a tremendous player and all around badass.
Denis Savard could not be reached for comment (he was drunk).
That explains “The Savardian Spinararma”. When I tried to do that whilst playing drunk , I’d just fall down.
This fact has kinda been lost/altered over time but the “Savardian Spin-O-Rama” was actually (originally) Serge Savard’s thing. Danny Gallivan came up with it I think.
Yep.
I feel like Serge in general has kinda been lost, he was better than most realize. Just overshadowed I guess.
A giant compared with Theo.
Also a great player, though.
Marty St Louis wasn’t small – he was short. Had legs like tree trunks.
I remember Marty and Eric Perrin were an absolute nightmare for whoever the Catamounts were playing. I always thought both of them would “make it” if given the chance.
To be fair, wasn’t Fleury drunk, too?
Tough to totally fault Theo for his substance abuse of course, he went through some incredibly difficult shit for a while there with no one to tell/turn to.
Yeah but he had talent whereas I had none.
St. Louis couple are Asshoe and that indeed is a pretty good tune, Sloop!
You missed the big birthday today: Frédéric Bastiat
Don Boudreaux says today, google says tomorrow.
AEI also says today.
Hrumphhh! Probably some old white guy that owned slaves…
No candles on his cake. Will have to wait for the sunrise.
What you did there, I didn’t see it.
Mississippi is going to remove the offensive content from its flag.When will Virginia get rid of “sic semper tyrannus”?
If nothing else, it’s false advertising.
The B.C. flag will be next. It’s a stylized Union Jack. They’ve come for our streets, schools, islands and bodies of water. City names next. I can’t believe they haven’t burned the flag, yet. Just too stupid to know about it, I’d wager.
You know who else changed all the names when they took over?
Witchy-Poo?
Confused
Hawt.
If nothing else, it’s false advertising.
And terribly ironic.
piling up new evidence for detractors who say he’s not fit for office.
Yeah, sure. Better to have demented Joe.
The cynicism on display from the D’s is like nothing that I have ever witnessed before. Just a naked power grab. I hated the Reaganauts with a passion when I was a kid but this is beyond the pale.
Going through TSA or returning from a foreign country through customs feels like a police state. The officials you deal with abroad are polite and professional (although I’ve only been to Canada, Britain, and Costa Rica) but here they are obviously below average intelligence yet condescending, aggressively belligerent, and give illogical orders on a whim.
Everything, TSA included, seems duller and more distant than 20 years ago.
My favorite part of clearing customs was “welcome home.” It’s hokey, but it felt good to be back from a business trip, tired from coping with different languages, signs, jet lag, and at least you got this one little attaboy. I haven’t heard it in about five years. I’m usually back through JFK, MSP, or DFW and never much liked clearing through ORD or MIA.
Calling America home is divisive. As is apple pie.
MIA is the worst international hub in the country. Fight me.
Worst I have been thru (which isn’t many), so no fight here.
EWR would like a word.
Also I had an incident at customs in ORD in the early 2000’s post 911. It was likely my fault but I was tired beyond belief.
All police states have selective law enforcement and permit violence against disfavored groups.
There did seem to be an air of favoritism when the cops managed to successfully investigate the chick who set fire to the cop car but have not come forth with any leads on the arson of the AutoZone or other businesses.
Absolutely we are headed towards a police state. Our system has multiple tiers and standards. Are you connected? Are you a minority? Are you a leftist or an asshole right-wing white supremacist (formerly known as middle of the road Republican)? All of these factors will determine if you get charged, charged with what, and how long you’ll spend in prison.
How many videos do you need to see of blacks putting the beatdown on random white guys? The blacks are rarely charged, but a couple of Proud Boys are doing a long prison stretch for brawling with unidentified Antifa thugs (who apparently weren’t injured enough to ever show up at a hospital). How about the dude doing life in prison for refusing to let his car get swarmed in Charlottesville? No charges at all for the lefty who openly admitted to threatening him with an AR.
Beyond just providing the means of violence, these programs and practices send a message that encourages the culture of combat and an “us versus them” mentality that grips some local police efforts. In that sense, what is ultimately needed is a cultural revolution. We can no longer be satisfied with the negative “peace” that has taken hold across our country, where so-called rule of law is too often maintained at the barrel of a gun.
Checked out the author and his org/think tank Center for International Policy a bit. Sounds like Tulsi. Anti war? Yep. Understanding that all laws come at the barrel of a gun? Nope. The guy is being naive or disingenuous.
“they round people up for petty offenses and speaking against the government. Here, we allow wholesale rioting and looting with little to no arrests.”
Not quite: we’re a bizarre combination of lawless chaos for those with rightthink and quasi-police state for those with wrongthink. I say quasi because, as you say, people are not being thrown in jail for it (yet…) but they are being shamed, fired and beaten in the streets for it with no recourse.
This is where libertarianism lost me tbh. As long as the state outsources its methods of oppression and compulsion to the corporate sector then it’s a big old… welp.
Avatar checks the box.
help: you lost me twice
Which sort of outsourcing do you mean?
And how do the methods of government oppression reflect upon libertarianism whatsoever?
We don’t jail people for political opinions, we just make it impossible to be employed.
We don’t burn books, we just remove them from sales and distribution through digital and physical channels.
We don’t ban speech, we just take away every platform for it.
None of these are government methods, they are private methods. When the private sector is in ideological lockstep with the government the distinction evaporates and libertarianism becomes as useless as tits on a shark.
useless
that’s all that was missing
as useless as tits on a shark
I was going to make a joke about Q switching over to marine biology, then I decided well, why not DDG it.
I have learned, though my extensive research of clicking the very first result, that https://www.reddit.com/r/Sharktits/ (with the tagline Not Shark For Work!) is a thing that exists.
I was going to say all of this in the comments till I got hear and saw that you stole my ideas.
Now I know that words really are violence.
I’ll say i’m becoming slightly more “Thick” libertarian. Only in that in order for a libertarian social order to survive, it requires culturally libertarian people. i.e people who are willing to respect property rights.
This reminds me of the scene in “Cabaret”* where the baron explains – “we will use them (Nazis) to get rid of the Communists, then we can control them.”
The DNC believes that they can use BLM, Antifa, etc to eliminate or intimidate the wrongthinkful, and that then having achieved their stated goals that their armies of street thugs will fall into line.
(*)Christopher Isherwood, the author of the stories that ultimately became “Cabaret” was an English professor teaching in Germany during the period the story depicts.
“Liberals get the bullet too”
“This reminds me of the scene in “Cabaret”* where the baron explains – “we will use them (Nazis) to get rid of the Communists, then we can control them.”
That’s been a very popular trope when talking about the Nazis, that the Nazis were a puppet of the Prussian army officers and the industrialists that got out of hand. But it’s just not true. The Nazis, both rank and file and leadership were always a revolutionary socialist party. They were never in any way, shape, or form the tool of the old German aristocracy or the German industrialists.
The Nazi party was a mass party, it was a popular party, for the exact same reason that FDR crushed his opponent in every Presidential election: their program appealed to people suffering from the Depression, in a time when liberalism seemed to be (and frankly was) exhausted on the continent, and that some kind of new socialist principle of society was needed. Some type of red, or brown, or black shirted way into the future.
There were conservative politicians/army officers/industrialists who did believe that Hitler would be a convenient, easily controlled puppet for them. They turned out to be sorely mistaken, of course, but that was largely because Hitler courted their support privately and told them not to take his revolutionary rhetoric seriously.
Yes, but those meetings were taking place when Hitler was the leader of a popular party with grassroots support. The Marxist cant on Hitler that he was a nobody until the Junkers and the corporations decided to make him a somebody is complete nonsense. He was an enormously popular politician for the exact same reason FDR was: he had a message that resonated with the masses and got them organized and motivated behind him.
OK, if that’s what you’re saying, then yes. Hitler absolutely wasn’t a “manufactured” figure.
Welcome back, Tonio!
#meneither
I hate all four of them. I checked out months ago.
/kneels next to Rhywun puts arm around him.
#metoo.
…every fan of
theirssoccer I know is an insufferable douchebag.Imma fix this for you all.
I noticed that BLM hijacked Pride this year. I didn’t see that coming a couple decades ago or anything.
You saying they make odd bedfellows?
Or bed oddfellows?
I heard Wadsworth got one up Longfellow.
I liked The Odd Couple movie.
No, I’m saying that “Pride” was always an orgy of leftists.
And yes, I am deliberately avoiding your double entendre.
Can you blame them? The Christian right was giving them the fire and rimstone job back in the day.
“rimstone job”
What was achieved was perceived.
Bastiat’s birthday and all.. but the point stands: the right were outright hostile to the gays and so it’s no surprise they went left.
The prize at the bottom of the Cracker Jack box of course being that Marxist regimes love to line them some homos against the wall too.
Perhaps making the pride movement political in any fashion was a strategic error eh?
[golf clap] for “rimstone job”
And the left’s support was never more than skin deep – just enough to get the vote.
This is what worries me about the team politics. Alliances of convenience get made where then the smaller group gets used and abused while also put under a constant barrage of “they want to kill you!” to keep them from realizing they are just being used and walking away.
The sad thing of course being that a movement that started 50 years ago with laudable intentions (gay pride) has been completely coopted by Marxists and assorted other shitstains, leaving millions of normie gay people out in the cold.
Yep. It’s really been trans and non-binary (etc) pride for a number of years. Mainstream gays and lesbians have mostly achieved their goals of social acceptance.
Yep, all the “pride” organizations cancelled their parades and festivals because of the ‘Rona. Then orders came down from the DNC to procede with the parades but that they were to be rebranded BLM/Pride.
While not quite throwing the gays under the bus, that is the obvious and inevitable next step. There is huge dislike in certain significant parts of the black community for the homos, an inconvenient fact which gets overlooked and covered up by the media.
Yeah, the Democrats are splitting their uneasy coalition into so many identity groups that some of them will inevitably leave the roost.
Didn’t you know Stonewall was led by Trans BIPOCs? The NYT says so, and since NYT is a reliable source Wikipedia says so, and whatever’s in Wikipedia is fact as far as anyone in power is concerned.
I read somewhere that the Trans BIPOC usually mentioned as the leader was somewhere uptown shooting up when the riots happened.
You’re a white cismale, so you’re not even queer. And if you’ve stopped voting for Democrats, you’re not even gay. You’re just a boring straight guy who likes having sex with men is all.
“an inconvenient fact which gets overlooked and covered up by the media.”
search for “trans woman attacked by mob” on your favorite search box, and its video after video of black men forming a mob and beating down a single person.
But one white person is falsely accused of writing an anti-trans slogan on a cake, and its a national news story.
I kind of feel the opposite. I feel like the Trans community has completely infiltrated the BLM movement to the point that they actually detract from the larger movement. I am sure that the life of a Trans Black person is not easy, but something tells me that it isn’t due to the same root causes as people getting choked out by officers in the street. And yet, there is a whole plank in the BLM platform talking about how they stand with their Trans blacks, and how they reject the nuclear family, etc.
True, BLM was started by radicals and the public face of what’s left of the LGBTetc movement is staffed by same. Peas in a pod, really.
That’s because the people running the organization saving Black lives is secondary to trying to mainline a marxist agenda.
It’s extremely aggravating the first industries Texas and California bully and shut down are restaurants and bars because they’re run by fucken pant shitting retards.
Newsome lis loathsome. I hope one day a documentary is made. Something like ‘Fabricating a cure worse than a disease: The unseen destruction of lockdowns’. You show stats of child abuse sky rocketing. You show a kid abused. Then you pan straight to the faces who straight up made it happen: Newsome, Whitmore etc. They play the emotional ‘granny’ card, then they’re fair game. Only this time, the evidence will be right there for all to see about what they did to people’s lives.
‘Gavin. Meet Timmy. We was abused for two months during the lockdown….do you have something to say to him you fucken degenerate?’
You can’t just shut down things on a whim. The virus is already out there. It’s not lethal. It won’t over whelm the system if the avg. age contracting it drops.
Civil disobedience is the only play here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=JSbT7JVNEU4&feature=emb_title
Echoing what Swiss said above, I say you don’t brandish unless you’re prepared to kill. If said brandishing forces the cessation of hostilities without lethal force being necessary, so much the better, but just waving a weapon around with no real intent to use it (or accept the consequences of using it) is bullshit.
All that said, I sympathize with how frustrated these people must be; I think there are a lot of people out there for whom the idea of taking up arms against the Commies is becoming more attractive.
But Sacha Cohen is showing how racist anyone who takes up arms are!
If you try, you’re the bad guy.
Let the commies take over, will ya?
taking up arms against the Commies is becoming more attractive
Gun stores’ empty shelves indicate agreement.
Brandishing, in that situation, I got no problem with.
Pointing, which to me is different from brandishing/demonstrating you are armed, has a role as a final warning, preferably accompanied by a verbal warning. Don’t point/aim at someone you aren’t legally allowed to shoot, though.
If those antifa scum rolled through the gate one my neighborhood, I’d be set up with a gun to protect my property, perhaps to protect everything inside the gate, which is all private. Come armed onto my property and we start getting real close to shooting time.
Is there anything that can save us from the current quandary? Fear not! Mammary Monday has not one, but two big solutions to our problems!
http://archive.li/kpACt
#11 because green is my favourite colour
#18 has those crazy eyes man…
#2 – That outfit.
#4 – disqualified from the orgy because of the mask.
I like #6
Nice view on #12
#14 looks high maintenance. Disqualified from the orgy.
#16 – truth in advertising?
#40’s iChive gallery is good.
#44 – disqualifier, mask.
Overall pretty good.
That article is enraging. “Failure to invest in our vulnerable herpity derpity doo.” Fuck you.
and commerce, said in a hearing on “disinformation” Wednesday. “Today, it seems there is less of a bias against conservatives and rather a bias for conservatives,” she said.
Schakowsky said that on Friday, 9 of the 10 highest-performing political pages on Facebook were conservative, including that of Trump, Donald Trump for President, writer Ben Shapiro, Breitbart, and Fox News host Sean Hannity.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senior-house-democrat-claims-facebook-and-twitter-favor-conservatives
Left on their own, conservatives can and do dominate. Probably because when their message is heard, it resonates with people. The issue is how social media censors them.
You have narcissistic SJW nut cases calling for the death of whites who don’t get banned but James Woods does?
https://twitter.com/PriyamvadaGopal?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Rufus the Monocled: ‘The issue is how social media censors them.’
Congresscritter on committee oversees social media says social media censors Left too much Left too little.
Left too much Right too little.
“Don’t be fooled by made-up claims of bias against conservatives,” Illinois Rep. Janice Schakowsky, chairwoman of the House energy and commerce subcommittee on consumer protection and commerce, said in a hearing on “disinformation” Wednesday. “Today, it seems there is less of a bias against conservatives and rather a bias for conservatives,” she said.
Schakowsky said that on Friday, 9 of the 10 highest-performing political pages on Facebook were conservative, including that of Trump, Donald Trump for President, writer Ben Shapiro, Breitbart, and Fox News host Sean Hannity.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senior-house-democrat-claims-facebook-and-twitter-favor-conservatives
“Schakowsky said that on Friday, 9 of the 10 highest-performing political pages on Facebook were conservative, including that of Trump, Donald Trump for President, writer Ben Shapiro, Breitbart, and Fox News host Sean Hannity.”
Silent Majority?
The proof of an unbiased social media landscape will be when there are no conservative political pages at all.
Why alternatives that are platforms instead of woke not flourishing? Then ‘conservative political pages’ could move to them.
No payment processors, domain registrars, cloud hosts, banks, insurance companies, ISPs or ad networks will deal with them.
Thanks, Pat.
The ISPs haven’t thrown around the banhammer yet. Hell, even the days of “I’ll tell on you to your ISP” are largely gone.
The greatest irony of this all would be for these people to clamor for the ISPs to do something, when the rest of the infrastructure has driven the unpopular voices out and the only recourse they had left was peer-to-peer. As I said way back when, net neutrality was never about freedom of speech, and if this happens it will be plainly obvious.
I think it is more that conservatives exist and get most of their traffic based on reacting to the stupid shit liberals say on these platforms which means moving to a new platform makes it tougher to interact with retarded liberals.
This week I’m going to write an article on exactly that issue. As mentioned below, payment processors are the issue. I’ll be writing about an entertainer who created an alternative to Patreon, he called New Project 2.
Spoiler, Mastercard flagged him for violating a clause in their contract about standards. He now lacks the means to process any sort of payment.
It’s a pretty interesting case from a libertarian philosophy standpoint.
“Bake the cake!” only goes one way. The permanent leftist rule of the country is complete. “right wing” judges invent transgender protections and rewrite Obamacare to make it work. Meanwhile more and more megacorps openly drive rightwing people out of the marketplace.
Largely because modern day conservative political pages could just be described as reactionary to the left instead of crafting or shaping culture. The modern conservative movement’s business model exists solely as a reactionary force.
The question is not about what is popular. Smut was popular and yet the Hays Code still banned it.
The question is about who and what gets targeted for removal. Popularity is not what the platform controls (though it can influence it). They’re either obtusely missing the point, or else they think that since it’s a platform it’s in total control of everything (thus making for yet another inability to comprehend Section 230 of the CDA, though this time from a different angle). The content on a platform is predominantly created by other people and the tools provided by the platform are for those people to find and promote what they like. Right or wrong, that is Social Media 101. So if 9 of the top 10 most popular pages are conservative and yet 9 of the 10 most recently banned people/pages are also conservative, there may be a bias on the part of the platform operators that just happens to differ from the bias of the users.
According to Cam Edwards of Bearing Arms, https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/06/26/remingtons-rumored-sale-navajo-nation/
“Remington’s rumored sale to (the) Navajo Nation could spell big changes for the company.”
Edwards tweeted Friday, “note that in 2018 the Nation tried to purchase the company and said it would end the sale of AR-15’s to consumers, as well as fund ‘smart gun’ research through military and law enforcement sales.”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/remington-arms-prepping-for-bankruptcy-in-advanced-talks-for-sale-to-navajo-nation-report
Forgoing the consumer market for ARs worked out so well for Colt, didn’t it?
I remember when they were thinking of doing this the first time around but it was rejected by their creditors because the business plan was so pathetically bad. Nobody wants to buy “smart guns” and eliminating some of their best selling lines is a sure loser. It’s pure virtue signaling by the tribe.
Q Continuum, will history repeat itself ? Will sale rejected?
Who knows, but I suspect yes. Creditors still want money no matter what the political implications are. But I could easily be wrong.
No big deal – it’s not as if the Navajo Nation has other things to spend the money on. Navajo reservations are paradise on earth.
AR-15 is just a standard platform. The most popular around. I can foresee even more bankruptcy in the future.
As someone who has investigated a couple of new-manufacture Remingtons, I can say that I am behind any sale that will remove them from the face of the planet.
And if I was police or military being issued new-manufacture Remingtons, I would resign, as it would be clear that my superiors lust after my death.
Big Green isn’t even a player in ARs. They tried, with the M110 SASS entry back in 2005 (?), but they’ve been twiddling their thumbs since then.
If they would just buy it and keep it the same and transform the brand into the ‘gun of choice for the proud warrior’ or something like that, that would be great.
“I’m very proud for the Judiciary Committee that before he testified he said to me, ‘Madame Speaker do you think that I can tell George’s daughter that his name will always be remember because you’ll name the bill for him?’ And I said, ‘well I’ll recommend that to the Judiciary Committee and to the Congressional Black Caucus, who have shaped the bill,” she explained.
“But I only will do that if you tell me that this legislation is worthy of George Kirby’s name, and he said it is,” Pelosi added, smiling. “And so we’re very proud, we’ve very proud to carry that.”
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pelosi-flubs-george-floyd-name
“worthy of George Kirby’s name”
Well, in some ways he did suck.
My God. That shit happening in St. Louis. Wow. This is where, as a Canadian, I can’t wrap my head around it. We just don’t see that sort of stuff up here. /knocks on wood.
Why does this sort of stuff happen in the States? Is it ground zero for the culture war? Is it a battle for freedom vs. communism? What am I missing? When you have to preppy lawyers coming out with guns protecting their property against up to no good protestors and/or rioters in such a setting, things are a tad askew, no?
50 years ago, the communists (likely funded and coordinated by the Soviets) entrenched themselves in most community organizations. They’ve been organizing and grooming people for this exact situation ever since.
And now they’re funded by George Soros and have money coming out of their ears.
It’s very unnerving because not even during the Cold War did they seem to have this kind of traction.
The NBA is just about an arm of this organization.
They did they just couldn’t and didn’t feel comfortable dropping the masks given how many people understood who the enemy was.
Ion Pacepa has written a couple of really good books about the Soviet efforts in Western countries. Hardly an unbiased source, but worth the read.
Is it pronounced ‘Yon’ or ‘I-on’ or ‘On’?
I have absolutely no idea. He was Romanian, so Pie should be able to clear it up for us.
Throat-Warbler Mangrove.
Een.
“It’s important to stand in solidarity with our brothers and sisters as they celebrate the 51st anniversary of the Stonewall riots,” said Gerald A. Griggs, an attorney and a vice president of the Atlanta NAACP. “Their struggle is our struggle.”
Of course. But I wonder what happened in Chicago this weekend.
Three minors were gunned down in Chicago this weekend, including a one-year-old and a ten-year-old. The body count as of Sunday morning was 12 dead with 47 more wounded.
This follows a Father’s Day weekend butcher’s bill of 104 shot, 14 fatally. The violence comes just a day after Donald Trump sent a letter to Illinois Governor J.B. Pritkzer and Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot accusing them of a “lack of leadership” in dealing with the out-of-control violence.
How racist of you to ask these questions?!
I’m waiting for the headline: Trump makes Chicago more dangerous.
I think it’s fair to be disappointed in the weapons handling of that St Louis couple, but they had every right to protect their property.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I can’t think of a way to properly manage your business or your home that doesn’t start with a serious fence. Nothing says shoot me like climbing a fence.
Good fences make good neighbors, yep
Fair to be disappointed? She’s got no trigger discipline and he’s pointing a weapon right at her.
Yes, defend your property, but they’re more likely to shoot each other than be able to do that.
Heroes or goats?
The woman has very poor trigger-discipline.
Advice right off the bat: why don’t you go with him?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/dear-deidre/11975959/gay-partner-drug-sex-parties-behind-my-back/
He was at work, paying the bills?
Michael Malice retwatted Huge WartyMan and then proceeded to ask him “how big a boy are ya” in the replies.
Needs a Doomcock mention in there.
Elderly Christians across China are deprived of government subsidies if they continue practicing their faith.
China is still just a little free trade away from becoming a liberal democracy after 50 years.
If we can just trade more.
The Chinese know how to find useful idiots. Here, we had an ambassador McCallum who – after a blowbang that filled his mouth with Chinese cocks – said, ‘Canada has more in common with China than the United States.’ Laugh, but there are plenty of fools in politics and academia like this dimwit across North America including Mexico.
It was so galling a comment even Pinko Trudeau fired his treacherous ass.
I gotta say. Justin seems to grasp that China is not a friend. He gets a Scooby snack for that.
Pat: ‘China is still just a little free trade away from becoming a liberal democracy after 50 years.’
liberal
‘Godless: The Church of Liberalism is a book by best-selling author and conservative columnist Ann Coulter, published in 2006.’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godless%3A_The_Church_of_Liberalism
Consistent with ”Godless’
‘Elderly Christians across China are deprived of government subsidies if they continue practicing their faith.’
The DNC: Takes notes and files for future reference.
Maybe China isn’t improving because We have devolved into a fascist communist state like them.
My dad always used to tell me, if you hang out with losers it’s more likely they’re going to bring you down to their level than you bringing them up to yours.
On the other hand, not engaging in free trade with China (or whoever) is hurting your own citizens.
So, regardless of the effect it has on China, free trade is still a good idea.
Does GoFundMe work in China? Because I bet you could find a replacement for the tiny payments without problem.
The best part is at the end when he asks the cop for….pepper spray. Pure nut case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lFKxMWpXrk
Wonder what happened with this.
Another Nelson Muntz “Ha-ha! moment.
Lots of good stuff in the threads there.
In Washington, D.C., heavily armed riot police, national guard units and a veritable alphabet soup of federal agencies clashed with peaceful protesters at the behest of a president keen on projecting strength through force.
That’s not what happened.
A Black Hawk helicopter and other aircraft, Humvees and hundreds of armed “troops” spread across the streets of the democratic capital of the world could have been mistaken for scenes of a crackdown in one of the world’s many autocracies.
It is the seat of the federal government containing many elected assets of the people. Maybe stop rioting.
It’s the seat of the federal government so I’m good with them going full 1812 on it.
High-profile Egyptian belly-dancer Sama el-Masry was sentenced to three years in prison Saturday after prosecutors said she posted sexually suggestive videos to TikTok. …
“There is a huge difference between freedom and debauchery,” Talaat said.
American Handmaid “protesters” could not be reached for comment.
Dr. Linda Murray, former chief medical officer for the Cook County Department of Public Health, was a doctor serving public housing residents when one of the deadliest heat waves in U.S. history hit Chicago. On the 25th anniversary of the disaster, she sees the same root causes fueling the same racial disparities in COVID-19 deaths.
The sun/weather patterns are racist?
First of all, AOC says indigenous and POC’s are hardest hit by climate change – please keep up by following Biden’s tweets.
Secondly, EVERYBODY says black/brown communities are hardest hit by Covid-19 – some things are just truth, no need to back-up with data.
It couldn’t have anything to do with machine politics trapping entire neighborhoods in generational poverty or anything.
The BLM guy threatened to “burn down the system”.
The System Has Already Burned Down
The Dem strategy of jack-hammering away at what little is left of our system of government may backfire horribly.
Dispensational, premillennial rapturism neutered American Christians and rendered them pathetic; it is the greatest lie and hoax ever perpetrated on the Christian church. If you’re looking for a root cause of all of the pain and suffering we are soon to endure, look no further than ourselves.
He’s late by a generation. Revivalist, postmillennial Christians were the ones who stripped introspection and thoughtfulness out of the faith and replaced them with emotionalism and the 19th century equivalent of tick-the-box allyship. They prioritized counting how many were “saved” each night at the cost of community, knowledge, and conviction.
What we’re seeing today is a replay of the origins of the Progressive Era. It’s playing out in similar demographics and is inspiring similar kinds of response.
There’s a reason they’ve been attacking Christianity for 50 years now. I say this as a person who isn’t particularly religious. The communists figured this out, if nothing can exist outside the state the chief religion must be the state. These people are evangelicals.
It’s a matter of principle, he isn’t convinced it’s necessary, and he doesn’t particularly care that Gov. Gavin Newsom has ordered Californians to wear them.
“Most people up here do not like the governor,” said Smith, whose shop is called Hangtown Originals. “The deal is, you have no right to tell me I have to wear a mask. I’m an American. … I refuse to bow to anybody.”
Word.
See, this is where this place has lost me sometimes over the past few months.
Wear a fucking mask. There’s multiple studies that show it works to reduce transmission. It’s not a big deal. You can wear a mask for 45 minutes while you’re in the grocery store. Won’t kill you, and it’ll get us back to “normal” faster.
The government shouldn’t be mandating it but private stores are free to do it (and no, HIPAA and the ADA will not excuse you from that) and you should do it anyways.
A perfectly fitted N95 mask will help. The floppy cotton and paper utility masks people are wearing are nothing but theater. And even if it was 100% effective, the government has no more right to tell me how I might or might not mitigate my disease risk than it does telling me I must wear a helmet or seatbelt. Caving on the little things is how you get the big things.
Already said the government shouldn’t be mandating them.
But even paper masks help significantly (~70%). And Costco is allowed (under those same freedoms) to require masks. And you should be wearing one even if they’re not required.
You said “but private stores are free to do it ” which is not true. Private stores are mandated by government to do it.
70% seems absurdly high. I’d put it probably closer to 15% transmission(and why not if we are just guessing which we are given the inability and problems designing a study needed for proof positive) if you come into close enough contact with someone who has it. But you are correct if it spreads by droplets anything over your face will be helpful to some degree.
how you get the big things
I’d agree with this and ask you this way: what is so absolute about today’s situation? Life is a fluid balance of risks: you’re touching doorknobs and eating food that others raised or prepared and sitting in theaters and hearing toilets flush in community restrooms and watching jets fly over and large dogs pass by and tandem trailers pass you on the highway
and you’re wading through virus sheddings constantly
so a 1% chance of getting or passing a bad case of the flu might not move the needle for a number or rational people. I am impressed by all the people who say oh now I get it, virus bad, virus everywhere, and I will never again go out in public unless wearing a mask and I’ll never eat out again and I’ll never come closer than six feet of anyone except my wife . . . . except that consistent person doesn’t exist.
I have sinus issues that make it difficult to breathe while wearing a mask. But I wouldn’t wear one anyway because it is generally uncomfortable. And, as you say, Caving on the little things is how you get the big things. This is America. I can decide for myself how to mitigate my risk and I fail to see how me not wearing a mask harms anyone else.
There’s multiple studies
There are also studies that show that wearing a mask harms your immune system by not allowing exposure. The same studies also cite a reduction in oxygen intake during prolonged use of the mask. which is generally harmful.
“There’s multiple studies that show it works to reduce transmission”
And there’s multiple studies that show that minimum wage helps some poor people. Too bad there are multiple studies that show minimum wage harms more poor people than it helps.
There’s multiple studies that show masks other than properly-fitted N95 masks don’t do a damn thing to reduce transmission.
Which means the studies that show that non-N95 masks reduce transmission are not proof because the results can’t be replicated by subsequent tests.
On a slightly different plane, I one discussed the Milgram Experiments with a person who held a PhD in Psychology. This person said “Those experiments are considered unethical today.” My response was “So you’re saying that it is impossible to perform a psychological experiment on the effects of unethical behavior?” She tried to change the subject and I wasn’t having any of that – she then said she was late for an appointment. I called her “passive-aggressive” and she never spoke to me again.
Lol. Ironic.
No JB.
Private companies are toeing the government line. They have no choice but to pretend to ‘follow the science’ fed to them by incompetent hacks.
I will not submit to ‘flimsy science’. Not that there’s a flurry of studies or literature, but the ones I’ve read basically claim the degree of their effectiveness is inconclusive. if they say it’s 30%, that’s not enough to mandate and take away civil liberties. It takes away our ability to weight risk and reward on an individual level. If offshoots this decision to civil servants and bureaucrats. A mistake in my view. They then ‘subsidize’ the gaps in evidence with vapid emotion appeals of ‘just wear it for the great good’ and ‘if you’re asymptomatic it’s irresponsible to not wear one’. Fuck off with that shit. If that’s the angle they want to push, then we should be wearing on all year round. I don’t want to normalize this sort of ‘new norma’ or habit. I don’t to be Asia. Faceless and afraid.
I also consider them demanding we wear mask as dangerous for reasons including possibly weakening our immune system. Sure, it’ll take a little longer than a couple of months to achieve that but why even do it ESPECIALLY considering we’re fricken six months too late. The virus is out there. Don’t let it control you.
I have no problem not shopping in these companies until reason and rational behaviour comes back. Though I wonder if 2020 killed any chance of that.
Don’t you get the bigger picture here?
Man did I butcher that. Edited:
“I will not submit to ‘flimsy science’. Not that there’s a flurry of studies or literature, but the ones I’ve read basically claim the degree of their effectiveness TO BE inconclusive. if they say it’s 30%, that’s not enough to mandate and take away civil liberties. It takes away our ability to WEIGH risk and reward on an individual level. If offshoots this decision to civil servants and bureaucrats. A mistake in my view. They then ‘subsidize’ the gaps in evidence with vapid EMOTIONAL appeals of ‘just wear it for the great good’ and ‘if you’re asymptomatic it’s irresponsible to not wear one’. Fuck off with that shit. If that’s the angle they want to push, then we should be wearing ONE all year round. I don’t want to normalize this sort of ‘new NORMAL’ or habit. I don’t WANT to be Asia. Faceless and afraid.
I also consider them demanding we wear mask as dangerous for VARIOUS reasons including possibly weakening our immune system. Sure, it’ll take a little longer than a couple of months to achieve that but why even do it ESPECIALLY considering we’re fricken six months too late? The virus is out there. Don’t let it control you.”
Bah.
There is no study confirming surgical or cloth masks reduce transmission. There are studies showing they reduce droplet spread, but that’s establishing a hypothesis that needs to be tested with actual results in the real world. Which hasn’t happened.
That just isn’t true. There’s a few studies that show they reduce the distance droplets can travel, but those studies make no effort to determine whether what happens after that necessarily leads to any real decrease in the transmission of viruses, nor do they address the aerosolization of droplets. There’s a bunch of studies, however, that looked at mask performance in a whole bunch of situations (including surgeries, the situation for which they were designed), and none have found an increase in infection rates from going maskless, even in surgeries. According to Google, Lisa Brosseau is a respiratory infections expert with over 2,000 citations, and works for CIDRAP at the University of Minnesota:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
And there’s a ton more links that all say mostly the same thing. I’m tired of being called a “science denier” because I happen to be citing the actual science, rather than obeying the “science” of believing what the people in charge are saying now (as opposed to what hey were saying two months ago).
I loathe Donald Trump. Hate the man. Have been begging him to go away and leave me alone for 25 years and he just keeps bothering me. He’s a personality of a sort that works my very last fucking nerve.
But Trump isn’t the one that’s currently destroying my life. Trump wasn’t the one supporting the current county-wide mandate that tells me I can’t leave my home without wearing a mask (duration indefinite). Trump’s not the one that closed all of my social establishments for several months. Trump’s not the one that has managed to convinced huge swaths of the population (including almost all of my friends and family) that we should currently view other human beings as little more than disease vectors to be avoided if at all possible.
In short, Trump isn’t the one currently making all the things that tend to make life worth living go away. So you’ll excuse me if I have less focus on the enemy who merely annoys the shit out of me than the ones who are actively succeeding in ruining my life.
There appears to be zero pushback on any of this from anywhere except the Trump cult, so what exactly am I supposed to do?
Tweets that aged well
to get somebody to care about death in our community
Black people kill each other by the thousands every year but BLM doesn’t care about that. I wonder why.
I’ve been away, has anyone discussed Black Lives Matter UK’s “Fuck the Jews” tweet storm?
Meh. Soros can deal with it or not.
Whenever I see a black who converted to Islam because of slavery – I know I’m looking at a true mental retard.
(Looking right at you Ali and Jabbar)
Maybe they wanted to become Eunuchs.
I’m so mad about my people’s history of being enslaved that I’m going to convert to the religion of the people that enslaved us in the first place!
Kind of like the commies who never shut up about “colonizers” yet at the same time will lecture about how important the Spanish language is to South and Central Americans.
It’s very irresponsible to call me out on evil and violent stuff I say because black lives matter.
Is this the gist of her logic?
No invasion of bloodsuckers like this since the Danes.
New York Post
@nypost
Hordes of blood-sucking, disease-carrying horse flies invade the UK https://trib.al/mLI0pae
Anglo-Saxon Supremacist.
Internet doesn’t disappoint.
https://mobile.twitter.com/giantcat9/status/1277586133891919872/photo/1
Controversial Lenin statue unveiled in Germany’s Gelsenkirchen
I mean, say what you want about Lenin, but at least he wasn’t a genocidal racist like Thomas Jefferson or anything…
I bet Hitler is rolling in his grave.
/Sorry i had to.
Bobbies make it easier to pull down statues of Churchill, protect Marx’s grave.
Lenin. Stalin. Hitler. Mao.
Winning.
It’s Bizarro Mount Rushmore!
So News Corp/FOX has a “black focused” streaming (and occasionally on actual cable networks) network called “FOX Soul”. On July 4th, they’re have a special with a very special guest speaker … “The Honorable” Louis Farakkhan.
I think the writers are running out of ideas for 2020.
Proof that Fox News is full of anti-semetic racists.
You laugh, but I’ve seen that exact argument made on Twitter.
That and conspiracy theories that they want to give Hannity and Tucker more ammunition.
It’s all tricknology!
Another shooting in Seattle’s CHOP/CHAZ last night – possibly up to six critically wounded, apparently someone hit with a pickaxe
https://twitter.com/Villain_Phoenix/status/1277561706785325056
The Mayor of Seattle needs to be run out of town on a rail. It was cute for a few days but then it was time to break it up. The fact that she’s allowing this to go on for weeks (especially after the lawsuit last week) is unconscionable.
The supreme court has already Indemnified every government official down to the dog catcher, without consent of the people. And refuses to hear anything about it.
So yeah, the only “Justice” that could be seen is the Mayor being Tared, Feathered and then chased out of town with a “Never Come Back”.
Whenever someone mentions how the country has never been so divided I remind them of tarring and feathering.
You could make the case that Tarring and Feathering was a practice only made possible by the unity of the community. If it were divided, the T&Fee would’ve had their own mob to protect them.
Well sure they were united in that community, but the community was small and local. And even then there were dissenting views even if they weren’t expressed. Taken as a collective, which is what we do now when discussing these things, the country at the time was very much divided.
Not gonna happen. I get the feeling Seattle/Portland is cucked out. Or at least have Stockholm Syndrome. I could be wrong.
Remember the story of a couple of years ago when a father had a Native rug or blanket or something in his house and his daughter called it ‘cultural appropriation’? The father gave in and gave it back to the Native tribe who made it.
THAT’S the problem. The kids run the show.
I would assume that someone in the tribe made it to sell it? And this is a problem because?
With the courts deciding that there is no duty to protect, the lawsuits had no chance at all.
Except she keeps running her mouth. She has pretty much handed them their case by her vocal support for CHAZ. She has made it clear that the harm they suffer is through government action taken by her office.
So well done.
Hey, why would she? They were stumping for her re-election.
I thought they had Canceled Chaz.
Like a for-real pickaxe or mattock? ‘Cause those are awkward af.
Yeah, I don’t know, that was a weird tidbit of information; dwarves?
Dude, while bad orange man tweets white supremacist stuff and colludes with Putin, you criticize the Summer of Love. Why do you have love and summer?
I love this. From twitter:
Yeah. It’s like when you go to the resraunt and they are not serving what you want, and keep suggesting alternatives that are nothing like what you are asking for.
“Oh, i’m sorry, we’re all out of police reform, but we do have a nice dish of racial strife and animus. Would you like that?”
Rufus: ‘I’ll have the special of the day.’
Waiter: ‘We’re out of the special of the day.’
Rufus: Isn’t that special?’
Waiter: It was special alright.
Rufus: So special you didn’t account for the demand properly.
Waiter (breakdown screaming and crying): Black lives matter! And you worry about chicken piccata?!!!
There are even comments from black people who (re: the Cleveland show voice actor) tweet “All I wanted was some police reform.”
#DrowLivesMatter
The lore there strained credulity.
A society run by women – that worshipped spiders.
“The governor says people are too stupid to make their own decisions,”
Even in a one-party state like California people are too stupid to decide which of the one candidate to vote for.
So… We are now a few days into a world where we have written proof that Obama and Biden personally directed an illegal entrapment of Flynn. So far the only coverage of this I have seen in the press is in articles that use the phrase “alleged without evidence”
We now have more proof than we did in Watergate… And the acts are inarguably worse and a greater threat to the Democratic Republic than anything Nixon did. What has happened to the American psyche? Where is the innate sense of justice?
Was Pravda ever this brazen?
My determination is that the phrase “without evidence” means, “There’s evidence, but i’m not going to mention it so that i can ignore it’s existence”.
The weird part on this one is when they say “alleged without evidence” in the very next sentence after mentioning that we have written evidence from an Obama adminstration official who was there when Comet told them that there was no evidence to support an investigation of Flynn and Obama ordered him to be investigated “by the right people” anyway.
This isn’t the first time that they have claimed there is no evidence immediately after we uncover more evidence than anyone could ever expect to find.
Like when the IG claimed there was no evidence of political bias in the investigation of Trump, despite written evidence of exactly that in a case that was clearly never remotely justified in the first place.
Of course. The only evidence that is acceptable that Obama directed this investigation is Obama himself admitting it.
To be fair to Horowitz, that isn’t what he said. That’s what the media span it as. He said that he couldn’t determine there was bias because no one flat out said there was bias. But in his testimony to congress, he made it fairly clear that he thought there was something worth looking into.
He said that he couldn’t determine there was bias because no one flat out said there was bias.
That was disingenuous as hell, too.
“We never refer anyone for prosecution unless they confess to the crime first.” Said no prosecutor ever.
What the media doesn’t cover is more important than what they do. This will remain mostly unknown unless someone is indicted.
Entrapment is my trigger word.
(Not saying anything about the legality of the move, but it’s not entrapment.)
You’d agree it was at a minimum a perjury trap?
The agents literally asked the question, are we going there in order to get him to lie?
That is literally the dictionary definition of entrapment. The entire purpose of the interview was pretextual in order to manufacture a case for lying. And even with that as the stated Mission objective before they left, they still had to go back and spend two weeks rewriting their notes about what was said. And then even after that, the best they could come up with was an equivocal statement about not remembering something.
No, that’s what the FBI does every day. It’s been upheld multiple times.
Entrapment is when you basically force somebody into committing a crime they wouldn’t have otherwise committed. The FBI’s habit of planning terrorist attacks with idiots comes a lot closer to entrapment than this.
you basically force somebody into committing a crime they wouldn’t have otherwise committed.
Like lying under oath?
By the way, this generally strikes me as the same as the debate about whether taxation is theft or extortion. Does it matter whether this is entrapment or a perjury trap or whatever other label we assign to it?
Entrapment is when you basically force somebody into committing a crime they wouldn’t have otherwise committed.
Its broader than that. You don’t have to force them, enticing them will suffice. The first interview was perhaps attempted entrapment. The required in-court admission that he committed the crimes he confessed to was forced entrapment, due to the coercion directed at his family.
Judge Sullivan also deliberately baited and trapped him. He says “this is not a trick” and then 5 seconds after he gets Flynn to say what he wants…. Including forswearing any rights to claim improper representation and prosecutorial misconduct.. the judge calls him a traitor to the country based on something not even charged and later disproved.
What has happened to the American psyche?
24-7 msm propaganda covering for one of the two main political parties.
The NBA is allowing players to put “Social Justice” terms on their uniforms instead of their names when the league comes back in a few weeks. Spencer Dinwiddie of the Nets is going to put “Trillion” on the back of his jersey to go with his number (26) to highlight the national debt. Good for him.
Wonder what would happen if a player tried to put “Uighur” or “Free HK” on the back of their jersey.
“I ❤️ the 2A”
Didn’t that get Fans Perma-banned from going to games?
Adam Silver would suspend that player, that’s what would happen.
Oh, so they get to choose? I just assumed it would be universal “Black Lives Matter”.
I prefer names but if they get to choose… fine, whatever. It’s not like I watch basketball.
Appropos the lawyer lady:
Carbine > pistol for home defense
In that situation, I might give my wife a pistol, but I probably wouldn’t load it. I know her shooting skills.
(We will try to improve them)
She was waving that pistol around with a limp wrist, it would have likely popped out of her hand or mis-fed the next round if she fired it.
BTW I doubt it was loaded.
Firearms are always loaded, even when they’re not.
I know gun safety, in this case, I doubt this gun actually was loaded.
If it was or not the couple have awful barrel discipline and poor judgement.
The correct answer was to give her an elevated position with a rifle.
I’m out front, with the shotgun, warning the scum off. If I had sufficient notice, it would be at the gate to our small gated community. If they disregarded my warnings there, I would fall back to my property, which has a couple of spots that are well suited for the purpose of warning off an armed mob or, if necessary, thinning it out.
Mrs. Dean is in the final fallback position, guarding the door. With her Sig, because that’s her fave.
I agree that, regardless of their obvious lack of training, the two homeowners very likely shut down a riot and looting spree, without bloodshed. If anything, Armed Karen probably scared the shit out of them with her “I’m a Karen on the edge. I’ve got a gun and I’m not afraid to use it” thing.
Sometimes. Carbines absolutely have their advantages, and I personally keep one around, but my first home defense gun is gonna be a pistol with a mounted light and extendos. I live in a small 2-bedroom apartment, and what the pistol gives up in power and accuracy, it gains in maneuverability.
Plus, I’m kinda out of practice with the rifles. I’m much better with the pistol.
Geriatric Democrat strategist doesn’t know what Article 3, Section 3 actually says.
“If the reporting is right and he knew about it, and he invited Putin to the G7, all right, there is a Carville case to make that this violates the treason provision in Article III of the United States Constitution, and people have to start reading Article III. Read what the definition of treason is,” Carville emphasized.
“I’m not saying that he did it,” he continued. “The Intelligence Committee has to call these people in and ascertain if this is right because if this is right, we could have this instance. So, we need answers. Again, Congresswoman Liz Cheney is as Republican as I am a Democrat — maybe more — wants answers, too. And we have to get answers to this. They’ve got to come pronto, like immediately. Maybe he has a defense to this. Maybe The New York Times made it all up. I doubt it, but maybe they did. Maybe it’s all fake news. But questions must be asked, and answers must be given. That is where you are.”
It’s so nice to see the left wing warmongers and the right wing war mongers get together and agree that what America needs more than anything right now are actions that antagonize Russia.
I wonder if Trump is just keeping his powder dry until after the DNC Convention when he can absolutely destroy Biden is so many ways.
Awesome.
That’d be nice, if he savages him too early they can drop him and people wouldn’t complain too much. Unfortunately Trump gives me the impression that he feels defeated now but I could be wrong and maybe he’s just waiting for the right circumstances to present themselves so he can pounce.
When Joe Biden is president, it will be nice, because all our problems will go away miraculously. Remember how Obama was scandal free and there were no troubles? It will be like that. No one will report about that stuff.
Everything should calm down then. People will just accept his win gracefully just like they did with Trump.
Exactly. And CNN will be trusted again. No one will say “CNN Sucks” or make memes of CNN being body slammed anymore.
Reason has some nice video of him making speeches about being tough on crime and locking more people in jail and throwing away the key.
To be fair, at least Antifa will clam up. I wonder how many cabinet positions will be awarded to them.
AG Keith Ellison.
Yesterday afternoon I was sitting ini the bathroom and playing a word game on my phone. It was very quiet. The bathroom is on the far side of the house and just outside the window is a shed where I park my jeep. I live in the middle of nowhere.
Then I heard what I would have sworn was the door on my jeep shut.
I got my mini-14 and went out to look. I had no intention of waving it around, pointing at anyone or having any kind of verbal confrontation.
I’ve got the tactical model. Love it. I need some good optics for it, just have a red dot on it now.
I’ve purposely been avoiding the outside world for several reasons. So I’m wondering if the St. Louis couple are really the first to defend property with firearms or are they just getting more play because they are obviously horrible with firearms?
It’s probably because someone caught it on video. But also two people holding guns and looking like fools is irresistible fodder for the left.
Probably right about the video evidence. Didn’t happen if it wasn’t on video amiright?
15 more minutes til Supreme Court opinions. Likely some today and the rest on Thursday.
Major cases remaining:
Whether school vouchers can go to religious schools (prediction: Yes, and it won’t be 5-4 either)
Legality of the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau (prediction: Roberts writes a 5-4 decision that it’s legal)
Constitutionality of Louisiana’s law requiring abortion providers to have hospital admitting privileges (prediction: Louisiana law is overturned)
Whether religious institutions can be exempted from the requirement that insurance cover birth control (prediction: Yes)
Whether Congress (or the State of New York) can subpoena Trump’s tax records (prediction: probably yes)
If we want to talk about systematic bigotry, the law that the Teachers Union is trying to use to hamstring those vouchers is pretty gross.
Of the history of it all (FTC, Fed, etc) you are probably right. SCOTUS has allowed a lot of extra-constiutional organizations that aren’t beholden to the president. But if they do, it essentially allows Congress to create a shadow executive, beholden to no one.
I thought abortions were to be Safe. How can they be safe if not properly regulated by the government?
I’ve got nothing.
Yeah i’ve got nothing there too.
I’m going to go on another one of my rants and then leave again for a while.
I don’t like what I’ve seen from this place over the past year or so, and especially the past few months. It’s gone from libertarian to “own teh libz”. It’s excusing Trump’s shitty Presidency because we think Biden will probably be worse (the only libertarian-like things he’s done were putting Gorsuch on SCOTUS, putting De Vos in charge of the DoE, and he gets like a C+ for making a couple of efforts at cutting down some regulations). It’s bringing up bullshit conspiracy theories like Soros running BLM. It’s denying science over masks because we don’t like them.
Trump Devotion Syndrome is as stupid as Trump Derangement Syndrome, and I’m seeing a lot of the former here.
Later.
Not cool to lob a grenade and then hit the road. A bit of a jerk move on your part.
nah: this month is the same as last month
It’s bringing up bullshit conspiracy theories like Soros running BLM
Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there, Bob. Not “running”, but he absolutely *is* funding the “official” BLM organization.
I don’t know much about this, and my head hurts, but I believe BLM has received big donations from corporations and individuals in the last few weeks as their notoriety has increased.
You need to look within for the cause of your problems. Getting tired of your whining and emotional bleating.
^^^^THIS^^^^
“teh libz” tore off their masks. And yes I think people like Soros fund and run BLM and Antifa. There was nothing spontaneous or grass-roots about what has happened over the last month. Not the coordinated assault on police, monuments, the conveniently placed pallets of bricks, or the absolute universal story-line sold in the mainstream media. We can debate who and how much they are coordinated, but good luck convincing me it’s all a big coincidence.
Personally I want Trump to win because it buys me 4 years. But I’m really pessimistic about our future and unfortunately I do not think keeping faith with true libertarianism will change it.
This.
It’s not quite as shadowy and sinister as some people make it out to be, but the Open Society Foundations contribute fuck loads of money to groups that in turn contribute fuck loads of money to BLM, it’s 200 offshoot groups, and all sorts of left wing causes. The same stuff has been happening since the splintering of the far left groups in the ’70s when SDS and CPUSA realized that operating networks of organizations was a better method than operating a central organization that could be easily targeted by law enforcement and private actors. But nevermind all that you’re just a great big Trumpy poopy head who hates black people and science and shit.
That sounds pretty shadowy and sinister.
I suppose. But a lot of people conjure images of smoky backrooms where fat men in suits have a plat map of some major city tacked up on the wall laying out block-by-block where the next major riot will be. It’s not quite as centralized or specific as that. More of a “Hey, some shit’s going down this week in [insert city], get on the horn with [insert city] chapter of [state organization] and see if they can get any people over there, we’ll arrange some coverage from [insert sponsored media outlet]. Tell them we’ll re-up last year’s grant.”
JB….*sigh*
This place is not going to be better off without you. Stick around, make your case but dont run off on us.
I have never not taken you seriously or not weighed your arguments carefully.
By the way, looking at all of the presidents in my lifetime a C+ looks pretty damned good.
Last guy that scored that high was Reagan. Before that was before I was born in the 60s. Maybe Ike?
Coolidge was best of the 20th century.
Best of all time? I guess a toss up…Coolidge, Washington, Jefferson….
Fight me.
Cleveland was pretty good.
The last Jacksonian Democrat. I loved when he vetoed bills for being unconstitutional and scolded Congress for their Constitutional ignorance.
Cleveland gets my late 19th century vote.
What Suthen said. There’s often the appearance (and perhaps even reality) of echo chamber on some areas, and despite that disagreements with the same.
Glibs aren’t logical supermen, we’re all flawed creatures with faulty reasoning, biases, and emotionalism. And mostly trying to do better. And better off with dissenting voices. There’s been too many Glibs who have thrown in the towel and walked away. They are missed.
well put
You see what you want to see.
Demanding that everyone place a ritual denunciation of ORANGEMANBAD when he does something entertaining unreasonable, imo
Certainly easier than actually defending your positions or substantively addressing anyone else’s, I guess. Says a lot about you, IMO.
We’ll leave the light on.
Stick around and try to convince the Trump voting idiots to vote for Jo instead.
That is what I am doing (and yes, I am calling a bunch of you idiots).
I’m not voting for anyone and you can’t make me!!!!!
Seriously, though, when the LP finally shitcans that smug weaselly asshole Sarwark, I’ll consider voting for them again. Not before.
That is an acceptable position too.
They kinda did. He’s not up for re-election for Chairman. And then he threw a bitch fit and basically walked out of the nominating convention because the party wouldn’t do what he wanted.
Now wait just a minute. Sarwark called it first….North Korea is far freer than the US.
“I am calling a bunch of you idiots”
Have you ever met anyone who wasn’t?
Yep, me either.
“Stick around and try to convince the Trump voting idiots to vote for Jo instead.”
I get it, you want to just burn it all down now and get it over with.
Any chance I had of voting Jo went out the window when I stumbled across her pandering to the eco nuts on Twitter a couple weeks back.
She was less wrong than the watermelons, but she was still pandering to their anti-capitalist, technocratic regulatory schemes.
I’m still not sure whether I’m going to lodge a protest vote or sit at home, but Jo ain’t a viable vote for me.
Got a link?
If she is taking the Reason/Cato/Niskanen tactic of playing to the center left, then she just lost my support.
Kristi Noem where are you? We need you now!
I’m pretty sure that’s who I’m voting for.
Coal and oil is bad…. mmkay
I’m not even against what she’s saying she’ll do. Deregulating nuclear is good. However, the LP turns me off by playing footsie with the Marxists by starting from their assumptions. Playing the “reasonable centrist” doesn’t win with me.
Yeah to me, anyone who bends the knee on the carbon idiots deserves nothing but scorn.
Environmentalism is about protecting nature from toxic chemicals, unfiltered factory smoke, wholesale destruction of ecosystems through destructive fishing, hunting, forestry, and mining practices.
It is not about “The temperature in 1970 was the One True and Correct Temperature and we can get back to that through taxation!!!”
It’s a giant scam, plain and simple.
Well that and you don’t have to talk to an environmentalist too long before they let it slip they think there’s too many people on the planet. That’s the unsaid goal of the movement, reducing people. Which is why I will never ever get past stage one with these fucktards, ie admitting there’s a problem. It’s a trojan horse of “you admit there is a problem therefore we need solutions”.
I think even that is giving too much. Nature is not a person, nor is it in a state of stasis. We ought to protect human beings from having their rights infringed by other human beings, and sometimes that will entail things like holding people accountable for environmental damage that they cause because it deprives others of their rights to a common resource, or their private property, or their health.
Well, I was speaking from the perspective of environmentalists who do believe that Nature has some level of intrinsic right to exist at a certain level.
The vast majority of environmental issues are really property issues, particularly commons issues. Over-fishing, for example, is entirely because no one owns the ocean, so there’s an incentive to strip it bare before anyone else does. If The Bumblebee Tuna Corporation had property rights over a certain swathe of ocean, they could patrol that swathe and manage the fish populations the same way that African hunters used to carefully steward the wildlife on their hunting concessions.
#ditto
That would make me one step closer to not voting at all.
Jokes on you, we’re the same person.
But then again, i’m not voting for Trump.
commie.
Oh and the “denying science” bit was cute too.
I agree with much of this (especially the stupid Soros memes)
But the science of mask utility should be denied, just ask these crackpots at noted right-wing TDS hives like Stanford and JHU. https://metrics.stanford.edu/PNAS%20retraction%20request%20LoE%20061820
Hope you are correct about the voucher issue. I fear another Roberts Blue Plate Special.
Someone be triggered.
He did say that “entrapment” was his safeword… but should you really use the word “triggered” when talking about someone with an anime sniper avatar?
“because we think Biden will probably be worse”
That may be the biggest understatement I’ve witnessed in my lifetime.
Biden is going senile. Voting for him is voting for a set of shadow executives, whose motivations and reasoning we’ll never know.
Also
About that…
It’s possible the science isn’t quite as settled as you would like it to be. And this is not any kind of a new or novel issue – studies, discussions and official recommendations on face mask efficacy have been heatedly going back and forth since the first SARS outbreak, then bird flu, then swine flu, and every flu season. The CDC and WHO have never had any coherent recommendations. The good news is that if masks work as well as you think they do, nobody else besides you really needs to wear one in order for you to benefit. And since you ostensibly don’t support a government mandate, it seems like an odd thing to fly into a histrionic rage about.
Trump is no saint by any measure.
But I’ll take the drunkard’s walk over what will certainly be a consolidation of the Democrat machine in DC. They’ve made it apparent that they will burn the system down in order to get their preferred outcomes.
The LP has been jacking off in the corner for years. I’d be thrilled with a Jorgensen presidency, but it’s not going to happen.
As Dave Smith points out often, and I have come to be persuaded of this, the LP candidate exists not to be elected but to be a visible spokesperson for liberty. And i suppose, to be a protest vote. But mostly to get the ideas out there.
It would be nice if they actually did that. As it stands, Thomas Massie is more libertarian than the LP.
I agree with him 100%.
The only way you can come to this conclusion is by reading the many comments along the lines of:
“Man, I’m gonna vote Trump because Joe Biden is completely senile, and will rubber stamp the openly socialist Democratic party agenda”
as
“WOOHOOO DONALD TRUMP FUCKING RULES I LOVE HIM AND WISH HE WAS MY DADDY!!!!”
Bluntly speaking: you’re calling everyone on this site who has asserted “Trump sucks but he’s better than Biden” a liar, claiming they are all Trumpaloos.
I think that’s in poor form.
Collectivizing glibs is poor form.
The divisions here are profound. Some of TPTB straight-up hate some of the plebians. To the extent that there is literally a character mocking one. And yet, in the spirit of Glibertarianism, we tolerate each other with the occasional bit of snarking. Hell, people don’t even break out the catbutts anymore.
I thought we were all sockpuppets of a single being
HIS NAME IS ROBERT PAULSON
AND HE HAD BITCH TITS
I’ll mostly second this. I won’t deny that JB has a point here – I know that I can be prone to more or less ignoring, or at least brushing off, some of Trump’s particularly stupid statements or actions. It’s a personal failing and it’s good for me to be reminded of it now and then. However, I absolutely, 100%, do in fact believe that the Democratic Party is a far bigger threat to me than Trump and the feckless, useless GOP. Doesn’t make Trump objectively good by any means. He’s still a dunce and a blowhard whose philosophical insticts invariably are wrong, but I don’t fear Trump the way I’d fear a Biden administration.
Joe Biden is a senile, drooling moron. I don’t believe he will hold any power whatsoever in his own administration should he be elected. He’ll be a mere figurehead for much more radical figures within his own party. What we’ve seen over the past three-four weeks is just a taste of what will come.
Maybe I’ve surrendered to despair, but there really is no good solution. The only way the trap is going to be broken is for someone callously, wantonly destructive to the system to be put in a position of power. It probably won’t work, but I don’t think anything else will either.
I firmly believe that if Obama were in power now, we would be looking at a Bureau of Contract Tracing within DHS filled with new permanent government workers and authorized with new surveillance powers.
And half the country would be cheering it on while claiming any opposition to the program was racist. And Barry wouldn’t be objecting to that characterization at all.
I think a lot of the libertarian movement as a whole is kind of perpetually stuck in the last quarter of 2008. They are perpetually weeks away from Obama ending the Drug War, bringing the troops home, and working to dismantle the surveillance state. Ron Wyden is gonna introduce the Patriot Act repeal!!!!!!! Jim Webb is gonna be the SecDef!!!! No more corporate bailouts!!!!!
Remember Rick Santorum? Mike Huckabee? Those were the real threats to liberty!!!!!
Biden has already said he’s going to fill cabinet positions with far left radicals and his administration will fully support every far left radical idea out there, government ran healthcare, free college, carbon taxes, end of all US oil drilling, shutting down fracking, open borders, gun confiscation, reparations. There is no idea, no matter how insane, his administration will adopt and attempt to implement.
“It’s excusing Trump’s shitty Presidency”
I don’t excuse it. I just realize that’s it’s infinitely better than the Hillary Presidency would’ve been and it will continue to be infinitely better than a Biden presidency. The left is having a fit because they can’t expand their power as fast as the could before. That’s it. They still control most private and public institutions but they don’t completely control them.
As someone pointed out, the last presidency openly targeted political opponents using federal agencies. We would’ve never heard a peep about it if Hillary had been elected. We’d be at war in more places. We’d still be sucking Chinese and Russian dick and the Left would still be pumping out commie kids from the vast majority of Universities in the US. Also, Corona would’ve been more of a blip than a massive power seizure.
Hate on Trump all you want, go ahead. The reality that it was him or Hillary and now him or Joe, is still a reality.
Agree with what you’re saying but also “libertarians get the bullet too”. Just like liberals and revolutionaries, libertarians and conservatives may align together in some areas, but they are never going to be unitary.
At least not until it’s too late.
You cannot be a libertarian and be loved by anyone, except maybe other libertarians, who will agree to disagree with you on some things.
You can be loved by conservatives until you say something like ‘end the war on drugs’ and then you will be the same to them as the so called liberals, who they also hate.
You can be loved by ‘liberals’ until you say you support the 2nd amendment, then you’ll get some more hate.
You can’t be right about too many things or everyone will hate you. It’s a package deal. Either you support the pro-drug war, pro military intervention all over the planet right, or you support the anti-constitution woketards, or you’re getting plenty of hate, all the time.
Hillary is Biden in a pantsuit. They’re all the same people, puppets for global socialism. Trump is a political outsider, which is why they all hate him. If people in the swamp hate you that much, it’s a sure sign you’re doing some things right.
Hillary and Biden are not socialists. They are power hungry elitists that use social programs to buy votes, consolidate power, and create the next generation of team voters. They are what they claim about the opposition. Political whores who will make policy deals to enrich themselves. With foreign or domestic power brokers.
The Republicans are basically the same, but they get called out on it.
Sure, they only want power, but it’s the global socialists behind them who are promising them power, in exchange for implementing their plans.
I thought i’ve made it clear what it will take to get me to vote for Biden. The ball is in his court.
I’ll take your word that some are “excusing” Trump, but if so it’s rare. Most folks properly call him out on his stupidity from what I see. The problem is we live in a binary world right now. Nuance and independent thought are vestiges of a previous time and appear to be on the path to extinction. This is one of the few places they remain strong so even though I need to take regular breaks or the doom and gloom of the links will cause depression, I always return.
Meh. There are some who are willing to sing Trumps Praises when he shits green, there are some who are more careful in crafting their comments, and there are some (like JB) who are openly hostile. What is great is that we get by without calling each other cryptofascist nazis.
You sound like a Nazi.
Like a Nazi Tulpa
I did say rare. I can’t quantify it and I don’t care enough to argue the difference between rare and some.
Sorry, wasn’t trying to argue against your point, as much as show that “it takes all kinds” and we do have a spectrum. The nice thing being that we still get along.
Biden would invariably be worse and Democrats have gone insane on a totalitarian bent. They cannot be allowed to have power. Sometimes practical > philosophical.
The Republicans do good things occasionally. They also do bad things, but those are things that the Democrats also do.
And here’s a big thing I realized a few years ago: The Democrats may have done some good things or at least maintained that appearance, but that’s not the case anymore. I used to think they were against pointless wars, but that was soundly disproved by the presidency of Obama followed by the nomination of queen warmonger Hillary. Even something like gay marriage (“two consenting adults should be allowed to marry if they want”) has morphed into a policy of violating liberty (“bake that cake, bigot”).
I used to think the Democrats were the good guys because they seemed to be pushing back against the Iraq War and the post-9/11 surveillance bullshit. I remember them saying that you can’t shred basic freedoms for an illusion of safety. Nowadays, they’re the ones insisting that the Bill of Rights must be suspended and contact tracing implemented nationwide because of a severe flu bug.
Everything that I once thought was good about the Democrats is gone.
I am on the pro mask as anyone should know, but using denial of science is a shit thing to do. Even if evidence for masks was clearer than what it is, using the phrase “denying science ” is utter bullshit. And opposite to what science is. It is a standard leftist talking point from the IFLS crowd who understand little to know of it. Do better if you want to be taken seriously.
I will not address other points as a non American, but although some people here seem to me bit more pro trump than warranted for libertarians, it is a far cry from what you accuse. But this is debatable. The previous point is not.
Especially because science does not automatically tell you the ethics or cost-benefit analysis that needs to be considered before a policy is enacted.
Science will tell you that refined sugar is very unhealthy, but that doesn’t mean that it should be made into a Schedule 1 controlled substance and that anyone who disagrees is “denying science”.
This response to your assertion is a good analog for the response to the assertions about the virus and masks specifically.
” It’s denying science over masks because we don’t like them.”
Show me the science. Please. Links and references. I want to see the data. That would help your case.
Show me the science.
Science!
It’s all I got for you.
*drops gloves and puts on lab coat*
That takes me back.
You’ll need those gloves. You’ve got meth to cook.
Sorry I don’t supply that. You’ll have to go elsewhere to get your seasonings.
Meth cooking gloves?!?
dude…
You try cooking meth bare-handed.
You’ll regret it right quick.
…And then there are all of those supposedly “live and let live” people with libertarian purity tests, too. Those hypocrites are really the worst, eh?
Later!
I generally react to those who are trying to push me around at the current time. I didn’t like the social conservatives back in the 1980s. I don’t like the leftist mob now.
Black Lives Matter protesters in Detroit mobbed an occupied police vehicle. The cops did what any sane person would do.
what’s with the slamming on the brakes? once I’m up to 20, I just wait for folks to fall off to the side: I don’t do anything to encourage them to fall forward and under my wheels
That’s why you aren’t a cop son. Got to think like a cop.
I assumed they were trying to get them off the hood.
What’s not sane:
Chasing a police vehicle after the cops have obviously demonstrated that they’ve taken off the restraints. What are you going to do when one of the cops hops out already agitated and probably very ready to bust a cap in your ass?
These people are not just crazy, they’re dumb.
How can anyone be shocked at a driver deciding to drive away from those attacking him and his vehicle. the balls of still trying to block the car after they pushed through the crowd to get away is unbelievable.
They’re in denial that someone is not submitting to their whims.
Those cops seem like pretty nice guys. I would have squashed the cockroaches, turned around and come back for more.
Play stupid games…
They should have pulled a TJ Hooker and just held onto the hood for miles and miles as the police tried to drive away (emulating Shatner is always good)
What a treat. The Twilight Zone was just on with William Shatner shooting a gremlin off of an airplane’s wing.
There’s….something….on….the wing. Campiest episode ever, I love it when Shatner really hams it up.
“when”? Has he ever NOT hammed it up?
“There’s a man out there!”
Wife and I were both laughing. A true classic.
I still contend that Nick of Time is the superior Shatner TZ episode.
Is that the one with the fortune teller thingie in the diner? I agree. I don’t care for the other one. (Maybe they just show it too often.)
Yep, that’s the one.
Did Bezos not bother me enough with his groveling?
So far out of Scotus:
No 1st amendment rights for foreign organizaions (5-3, Kagan didn’t participate)
LA abortion requirement overturned (5-4)
Roberts being Roberts:
From the Chief’s concurrence:
I joined the dissent in Whole Woman’s Health and con- tinue to believe that the case was wrongly decided. The question today however is not whether Whole Woman’s Health was right or wrong, but whether to adhere to it in deciding the present case.
Last I heard we only had a single abortion provider in the entire state. The law is pointless signaling .
CFPB decision looks complicated. Everyone joined in parts, many dissents in parts, not sure what it all means yet.
Probably means we’re going to get boned.
CFPB stays, but the Pres can remove the executive without cause. This is probably a win for us, but not a grand slam. Lizzy Warren will be having a sad today, as creating an unaccountable juggernaught was her goal, and its now lost. Its now just a normal arm of leviathan.
Yeah. about the best we could hope for. If they had ruled that the Head of the CFPB couldn’t be fired, then congress could create any agency they wanted, with practically zero oversight from the executive.
As for severability, i think it would be hard to argue that changing the head to be serving at the will of the president would be so fundamental to the law as to require it to be struck down entirely.
There are other independent agencies that have the “for cause” firing clause…this did not overturn them, but it refused to extend that rule to this case.
Someone on Scotusblog says it is a setup to remove that rule. But that would be a future case.
If i remember right though, those agencies are headed by councils/committees, such that any president will get to put his own guys on them. I don’t think it is right, but that the CFPB is different because it is headed by one person, and that the term didn’t mean every Pres gets to nominate their own.
A majority came out in favor of severability, which means CFPB survives, but its leader can be fired at will by the President. It looks like that latter part may have been unanimous, the split was over severability and whether it would take down the entire organization or not.
Not unanimous on the executive firing part, Kagan wrote a dissent on that part.
10 points to Kagan in the “Contest for being the worst sitting Supreme Court Justice”
This one seems reasonable – although I would love the CFPB to go away. I shudder to think about how the next Dem administration will wield the power of that organization particularly given the current racial tensions. Unequal outcome = racism and need for remediation.
The SCOTUS isn’t in the business of limiting the scope of government, just rationalizing whatever it wants to do.
I’m strongly pro-abortion (although I vote for, and contribute to many stridently pro-life candidates). I hate shenanigans on all sides related to creating obstacles to legal activities (see the left with gun control). IANAL, but admitting privileges are necessary for many procedures so once again abortion seems to stand-alone from a medical perspective.
Do you live in New York? I’m afraid that that is not a strong enough Pro-Abortion stance to be welcome in New York.
I love abortion regulation fights because it makes my loony prog mother sound like Grover Norquist.
It wasn’t my intent to fight – I agree with Suthen that the LA law was essentially pointless virtue signalling (although far-reaching implications for other states). I clumsily stated that despite my personal stance I can’t get behind the court once again carving out abortion as a unique and special right- Thomas noted this in the dissent.
I don’t think the law is pointless virtue signaling at all. It’s an attempt to ban via regulation. My point was that on this one issue, all of a sudden my loony prog mother understands the effects of burdensome regulation on a business, understands that government regulations can be crafted to destroy a business even though they are prima facie neutral.
“I can’t get behind the court once again carving out abortion as a unique and special right”
If the Court treated gun ownership like abortion, the government would be buying me ammo.
I was until I became a father and then a grandfather and the older I get the more anti- I get. But, I know better than to argue one way or another on it.
*tip-toes out of room*
Same. Didn’t care at all about abortion one way or another before my first was born. Still am not an anti-abortion warrior, and have no problem with morning-after pills, but aborting a viable fetus really bothers me on a visceral level. My wife miscarried twice before she gave birth, once at almost seven months, and it was absolutely devastating to her. I can’t applaud someone choosing to do just that.
I can’t imagine. I’m so sorry.
Same here Chip but at 6 months. We even had a name picked out. Lindsey Erin Suthenboy.
It is devastating. Even now nearly 30 years later it makes me sick to think of it.
I am sorry you and wife had to bear that.
We didn’t have names, but the first pregnancy (which was the longer one), we had told everyone we knew, we had started buying baby clothes, bought a crib, turned a room into a nursery. I can remember very vividly when it happened. It was Christmas Eve 2006. My parents and my sister came down to Orange Beach to visit us. We had just gotten back from a short, fun trip to New Orleans for a few days – went to the The Court of Two Sisters for the jazz brunch and had a great time. The day before, in NO, my wife had complained a bit of abdominal pain, but dismissed it as just a stomach ache. Then on the 24th she started bleeding, and bleeding. Rushed her up to a mostly empty hospital to find out that it was already over. Easily the worst Christmas ever.
Sorry to hear that you and your wife went through the same.
Similar thing here. I was anti-abortion on intellectual self-ownership grounds before starting a family. Now I’m anti-abortion on intellectual self-ownership justifications for primal disgust.
Sign me up for your newsletter. I feel pretty much exactly the same. Same “growth” too.
My wife and I had three miscarriages, but they were all pretty early. They were terrible, I can’t imaging how much worse at seven months it would have been.
It was bad enough for us, that we said after the third one that if we had one more, we would be finished trying to have kids. We had a daughter and we couldn’t put up with more of those emotional wrecks. Then we had two boys and I finally got snipped because my wife just can’t keep her hands off me (especially when I’ve had a few beers and am extra pretty).
When we started having a series of miscarraiges like that, I was totally unprepared for it. Its apparently very common, but now very well known. At least I didn’t know about how common they where. So they hit like a bolt of lightning out of the blue sky.
Same here. Never realized miscarriages were so common.
Utterly horrible feeling to have to sit there while your wife is wiped out emotionally and not be able to really do anything to fix it. Just have to sit there and be there for her.
I wonder what strongly pro-abortion means? As in whatever you may think of it it needs to be legal to a point, or that there is 0 moral quandary in abortion?
I strongly support the right to legal abortion access. Mos people would simply say “pro-choice” – I 100% accept that there is a moral quandary.
so many here have been right about so many things
* whatever you outlaw, you invite the police to enforce with violence
* there is no amount of technology that is too much for me to be taxed for to prop up government control
* slippery slopes are slippery
Nothing, not even my son’s birth and near adult perfection, persuades me that I want a Uterus Gestapo, which would be sovereign over every ovary, more than I’m willing to ignore some women’s committing what I consider a travesty against nature from time to time. Inside the castle, inside the family, inside the womb is too far for a government to go.
I vote for the less of two evils on this one.
I agree Don.
I would never have an abortion but I know I am not qualified to make that decision for someone else.
On this topic, I find the technological implications to be particularly tricky. The argument for legal abortion is basically that fetus has no intrinsic rights because it is utterly dependent on the woman for sustenance, and there is no way for someone else to take up that burden. Therefore forcing her to carry against her will is slavery.
At some point, we will likely have viable artificial wombs, and removing an embryo for growth in one will be the same kind of routine outpatient procedure that abortion is now. So, at that point……how is that not murder? If its just as easy to put it in a grow box as it is to flush it down the drain, then how can society justify that?
absolutely: it will be a Brave New World
Public expense of gestation and eventual childhood. You’re just shifting the duty of care from the woman to society. If the individual is off the hook for it, how can society possibly be responsible.?
“Public expense of gestation and eventual childhood. You’re just shifting the duty of care from the woman to society”
Sure. The real argument for abortion is a eugenic one: that by killing unwanted children in the womb, you are lowering crime rates, lowering poverty, etc etc. That’s been the case for birth control and abortion for a century.
But the Womb-O-Matic will finally bring that debate fully into the open. There’s not any practical difference between surrendering an embryo to a state owned artificial womb and surrendering an infant to a fire station, and that’s done all over the country every day.
Another way to look at the technological aspect is to say, if the risk to the mother weren’t so dramatically reduced in the last few generations, would there be nearly the number of abortions? Of course not.
Stillhunter: Would you mind clarifying? Not a challenge – trying to understand.
From what I can tell, very few abortions are done because of the risk of the pregnancy to the mother. Nearly all are done as lifestyle decisions.
Even if we have magic incubators that can take a newly fertilized egg and bring it to maturity, there will still be abortions under the mantra of “my body my choice”. The pregnant woman will still have the authority to choose between an abortion procedure and a fetal extraction procedure.
@RAHeinlein: Sure. I just mean that the increase in abortion can be directly attributed to making them “safe”.
My wife had a miscarriage prior to our first born. We were told the D&C was essentially the same process as one type of abortion, so I’m aware of the risks that still exist.
@Stillhunter – Thanks for clarifying!
Layoffs occuring this morning. Since we’re all working from home it’s happening over the phone. I’m watching co-workers go into conference calls one by one. It appears to be in alphabetical order and it has moved past my name without a call. Hoping that means I’m safe.
Sucks but good for you hopefully. Been there several times – got the call a couple of times. If I knew then what I know now, I’d have started some kind of business 30 years ago.
JFC:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1277419635185537024
Warning – graphic Chicago gun violence.
Complete with a guy who can’t run away because his pants are down around his thighs.
Exactly what I noticed too.
Be on the lookout for a man with red underwear. He’s wearing a belt but doesn’t know how to use it.
Why did I watch that?
I put a warning…
trigger warnings what a snowflake you are Sean
I bet your mask has a swastika on it. NAZI!
I know and I skimmed right past it.
We have far more guns per-capita than Chicago yet we have had zero shootings in ten years….or more, I am not sure.
Chicago doesnt have a gun problem. They have a people problem. The culture there is absolute shit.
Build a wall around it and give them more guns. Problem solved.
scotus back with more decisions tomorrow.
If they release a sua sponte decision in DHS v Regents, they can lead it off with “ICE is back with a brand new decision!”
Can’t decide if this deserves opera applause or a narrower gaze.
¿Porque no los dos?
Needs more backup dancers.
Again disclaimer: non American here, have no idea what would I vote if I was, or if I would vote at all.
I think all the parties are shit. But as in europe, I would probably vote for the nominally right party over the nominally left, because while mostly disastrous it may be good on a thing or two.
So what are the Rs significantly liberty friendly compared to the Ds, and vice versa? Lets build a list. Although I could probably write a post on this…
Sadly, it’s generally a question of degree. Some Repubs are very much pro-2A, but others’ support tends to be nominal at best and they have shown they are willing to sell us out so long as the restrictions are “moderate and common-sense”.
Your extended lifespan can provide us with much needed historical perspective.
The R’s are not significantly more liberty-friendly than the D’s. They used to have a slight bias towards government non-intervention which could pass for being liberty-friendly, but on any issue that is important to them, they are and have been as statist as anyone else.
The general rule is that the Rs are going to the same place as the Ds, only slower.
And defend the previous enactments.
??
True conservatives are just along for the ride. Whatever you do, don’t rock the boat.
See Roberts decision I comments on above.
Was it Chesterton who said: “Now a days the liberals are intent on making new bad rules and the conservatives are intent on making sure the existing ones never get fixed”
True. As my dad has phrased it, the Democrats will drive us over a cliff at 120 mph. The GOP will do it at 55.
Politicians aren’t leaders; they follow their constituents (or enough of them to get 51% of the vote). The constituency for liberty-friendly is getting smaller every year; therefore it is a smart (i.e. wants to get re-elected) Republican who trends more and more pro-state.
R voters or R pols? There is a significant difference.
I can think of a few R pols that dont need their asses kicked but it is a very short list.
R voters? Around here they are far more likely to mind their own business and leave you alone.
That’s part of the problem. Politics mostly selects for those that wish to boss others around. People who mind their own business steer away from the mud pit.
I would sponsor you if you choose to come to the Thunderdome.
*you must supply your own orphans and don’t be blood sucking any humans, commies are okay to feast on though
I am talking about politicians, thats what matters in the question. I am not asking overall who are more liberty friendly but a few specific issues.
EG repubs and 2A… they seem to be more friendly
Name one for the dems.
etc
There used to be a number of strong 2A dems, but I think they mostly got weeded out.
Almost all of them have. Most of them were the so-called “Blue Dogs” who fell on their swords for Obamacare in 2010 and were swept out of office.
Making it seem that Obama was the worst thing to happen to the Dems in the last 30 years.
Democrats… abortion
Republicans… guns
Democrats… weed
Republicans… taxes
But to be clear, neither party will ever advance their agenda on those issues because it would eliminate a huge source of grassroots support and campaign funding. The perpetual fight is good for the coffers.
Democrats… weed – what about heroin and the rest of em?
The only other type of drug policy reform the Democrats have historically supported is eliminating sentencing disparities between crack (black people drug) and cocaine (honky drug). There’s no mainstream support in either party for legalizing drugs generally, or god forbid doing away with drug scheduling and prescribing limitations.
No, and much of the Dems promote decriminaliztion of weed and not legalization. Better than nothing, but not terribly impressive.
There are no mainstream politicians I’m aware of, in either party, who have a blanket anti-prohibition policy.
promote decriminaliztion of weed and not legalization – well decriminalization is the optimum right? remove things making it illegal.
Decriminalization doesn’t make it illegal, just not criminal.
Decriminalization usually means that it’s not actually legal to do, but you won’t get arrested – you’ll get ticketed and have to pay a fine.
I know sex worker organization favor decriminalization in the sens of removing all legal penalties, not legalization which is presumed to come with a boatload of regulation.
Republicans… taxes – meh lowering taxes but accumulating debt is not really lowering taxes so I am not sure I agree on this.
May I suggest reviewing proposed legislation from each party. Stipulated that many bills are drafted with no genuine intention for debate in committee, let alone becoming law. Look at which bills come-up for votes – example we have a Dem-controlled House of Reps right now and just completed a 2-year session controlled by R’s.
Well the point for me is not doing extensive research for a country I don’t live in but asking some people who live there and should know.
I remember on reason when I was lurking there were occasional comment polls about what one did in life vice wise. Booze, smoking, drugs, prostitutes, gun ownership (not necessarily a vice) etc. Was this ever done on glibs?
Rarely
No
No
No
Boat Accident
I know what your vice is, and I’m getting my first delivery in the form of a Start Collecting! 1k Sons today, so picking it up too.
I’ll have to bring my pariahs next time I’m in Ohio I guess.
Beer and guns.
I’m way too germophobic for hookers. Drugs are out until I’m retired and kid-free.
I once said I was going to try acid when I turned 50, but then I got married and had a kid. So my answers are Yes, No, No, No, Yes.
Same. I’m boring.
Booze – sure, though I don’t drink to excess anymore. I was one of those guys who turned mean and nasty when I had too much, and eventually I accepted that I should not get drunk ever. Haven’t been drunk in almost 15 years despite drinking at least a few times a week.
Smoking – started as a teenager by swiping some of dad’s from time to time. Was a regular smoker for about ten years, then I switched to smokeless a)to help my run time on the Marine PFT b)my then girlfriend/now wife hates smoking. Dipped for years, switched to Swedish snus a few years ago. I’ll still grab a pack of smokes whenever I’m away from the wife for a few days, though, for old times sake as much as anything. Last time was a trip to Vegas with old friends to see the Misfits reunion show a few years back.
Drugs – Tried pot a few times in high school/college. Never thought it did much for me. Cocaine once when a ne’er-do-well friend in the Marines offered me some when we went to Daytona on 96 hour liberty for NYE 2001. Felt great, but my innate fear of prison kept me from ever pursuing it for myself.
Prostitutes – only when I was stuck in Thailand for a week coming back from deployment to Uzbekistan. Not something I’m proud of as I was married by then, but I hadn’t seen my wife in almost 8 months and it would be 4 more before I would – getting stationed in Okinawa as a lance corporal meant a year unaccompanied.
Gun ownership – absolutely. Been a gun owner for a long time.
I’ll do me
booze – yes off course
smoking – no, filthy habit
drugs – tried em, didn’t like em, stuck to booze, have not had any in years (weed, hash, shoorms, MDMA and a little blow)
ladies of negotiable affection -yes, on occasion I feel the need to touch a naked woman
guns – not worth the hassle in Romania, if even possible.
“filthy habit” I am not sure if that is a condemnation or an endorsement.
Come to the states but you will have to trade the hookers for guns. I dont know about the culture there but here hookers are bad news all the way around. Guns, no problem.
I smoke cigarettes, I drink too much and even drunk I can hit you offhand with a pistol running at 100 yards. I am a shitlord supreme and proud of it.
No drugs, never had any use for them. Hookers…no thanks. I always had my pick of the girls. My brother was always somewhat envious of me for that but he has been married to the same woman for 35 years and I have explained to him that he wasn’t the one that missed out. Fortunately I pulled my head out of my ass and I am 22 years into a happy marriage.
Other than that….uh…..I never stole anything in my life and…uh…I curse a lot? My dogs never flinch of shy away even if I raise my hand?
I am not sure what else there is.
Booze – yes, but less often these days and never again to excess
Smoking – vape. I’m done with cigarettes
Drugs – many and often, but done with it
Prostitutes – absolutely not
Gun ownership – not yet
Food is my vice. Specifically, sugar.
Envy is a bugaboo but I have found that really only rears its ugly head with swimming pools.
Food? Nah, I’m trying breatharianism
The two happiest days of y our life are the day you buy a boat and the day you sell it.
The same applies to swimming pools.
I drink, play video games, and generally behave like an irresponsible arrested adolescent.
Never smoked. Hate it. Can’t even walk past a cigar shop without gagging. Campfires irritate my lungs.
I’ve taken more than the prescribed dosage of otherwise legal, prescribed medications for pain, anxiety and sleep, but don’t use any illicit drugs.
Despite living in one of the only places in the United States with legal prostitution I’ve never indulged and don’t plan to. Doesn’t comport with my sexual ethics and grosses me out besides.
Never owned any firearms. Probably someday.
booze – yes
smoking – no, absolutely disgusting
drugs – no
prostitution – no
guns – yes
food – YES
Booze no
Tobacco no
Drugs rx only
“Ladies of negotiable affection” LOL love that and stealing it
Gun ownership yes but not at the moment
“Ladies of negotiable affection” LOL love that and stealing it – it is not my own formulation
Booze, smoking, drugs, prostitutes, gun ownership (not necessarily a vice) etc.
Yes.
Cigarettes in college, and cigars since, but not in a few years.
Yes, but nothing but pot for at least 20 years.
No.
You bet your ass.
Booze – I drink a couple beers or cocktails most evenings.
Tobacco – I smoke a pipe every so often, usually while I’m hiking or camping.
Drugs – No, but mostly because I don’t have a reliable Adderall connection at the moment.
Prostitutes – Nope.
Gun ownership – I’m the 17th biggest gun nut in the state of Virginia.
Sometimes
No
No
No
No but considering.
Those Damn Amish!
After leaving their home of 18 years last summer, the owners of a popular Amish farmers market are again being told they’ll need to set up shop somewhere else.
Formerly located in the Hills Plaza parking lot, the Wengerd family was told to relocate the seasonal market last year after Giant opened its new store. Wanting an accessible, spacious location, the family requested permission to run the market from the the State College Assembly of God parking lot on University Drive. Church leaders were on board, saying the space would benefit the local community.
“We like it here,” farmer Steven Wengerd said. “We’re not holding anybody up in the parking lot, nobody, not the church people either; we’re out by Sunday.”
Open Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday from 8:30 a.m.-4:30 p.m., the market is frequented by Centre County residents and loyal customers — often selling out by the end of each day, Wengerd said.
But the market is in violation of a College Township zoning ordinance, township Principal Planner Lindsay Schoch said. Use beyond the 13-week temporary zoning permit that was granted could result in a $500-per-day fine.
About that BLM banner on Amazon…
According to a number of videos posted to social media, protesters in DC placed a model guillotine in front of Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos’ Washington complex. A flyer for the event stated “End the abuse and profiteering. Abolish the police, the prisons, and Amazon.”
A number of videos have been posted to social media that appear to show protesters placing a model guillotine in front of Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos’ Washington complex. Alongside the guillotine is a sign reading “support our poor communities, not our wealthy men.”
So they both failed to placate the mob and alienated me?
There are plenty of places and things to criticize Amazon and Bezos for; But the idea that company that is younger than a good chunk of the socialists decrying it, is at the root of societies problems, has got to be one of the most progressive things out there.
Democrats coming along to condemn the practice in 3, 2, 1… never.
Wife ordered slippers from Amazon. Free shipping. The slippers arrived the following day.
I gave them money and I will do it again.
I got the ‘sad to see you go letter yesterday.’ Ebay has been a reasonable substitute.
I can never find what I’m looking for on ebay unless it’s warhammer bitz.
Someone just asked me:
“Woo Hoo !! What do you know about the group called Antifa?”
and I’m curious if anyone wants to try to answer that in a serious way while attempting to avoid bias.
Just give them Andy Ngo’s twitter handle.
Marxist nihilists heavily involved with Black Lives Matter
Commie shitweasels that deserve a bullet?
That sums it up nicely I think.
I here that they are anti-fascists. So what else do you need to know?
my favorite part is that by that logic the national socialist workers party was in fact socialist.
I mean, it was.
Nothing says ‘anti-fascist’ like masked people running through the streets smashing windows, setting fires and beating people.
Actual fascists that call themselves anti-fascist.
They are communists.
never heard of ’em.
Here’s the most serious answer you will get: useful idiots.
Bingo.
In the end it won’t matter who ends up on top. Antifa either goes to prison or goes up against a wall.
Morons.
The book Shrek is based on is…different.
https://twitter.com/KeatonPatti/status/1276603563616227330
Just going to drop this here at the end.
For anyone interested in a PNW, EWA, N Idaho meet up.
sodium at proton mail dot com
Hope everyone has/is having a great day.
In consideration of JB’s post earlier (which I still feel was overly dramatic), this is now at least the 2nd person who has sworn off of Glibs on the back of something I’ve posted, and I feel bad about that, particularly considering the decreasing degree to which I identify with movement libertarianism as time goes on. It feels very selfish and unfair to be driving away actual libertarians from the site. So I just wanted to tell everyone else, sorry for being a cunt I guess.
What happened lol
Who was the first?
Think it was Gilmore.
I think Gilmore got a Glib-incompatible job.
I’m probably misremembering the name, it was quite a while ago and there are so many of you people…
Lord Humungous maybe? And don’t sweat it.
Eh, don’t worry about it.
I go too easy on Trump myself, mostly by giving him a pass on his apparently nearly total inability to articulate things. I read into his gabble what I want him to be saying.
An influential faction of the Dems hates me and wants me to die. Just ask them (or their surrogates in misc. far left front organizations, who prove that in the Dem Party the saying “No enemies on the Left” is alive and well).
As I have posited in the past, there is little hope for anything other than a descent into some flavor of leftist totalitarianism. The culture war is lost, and with it any hope of reversing the tide of leftism. Its a question of when, not whether, and I will vote for whoever has the best chance of delaying it. For me, the next time the Dems take the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, its game over for the American experiment. I think we’ll see some variation on one-party rule by a leftist-controlled Democratic Party. My prediction is that will likely happen in four years. But it could happen in four months.
I’m not sure he’s gone for good . . . hope not
The tone of this place is an acquired taste, but, like everything, it’s loaded with projection. Ours is a difficult medium; I try not to forget HM’s admonitions at TOS that pretty much everyone’s sarcasm meter needs constant tweaking.
That said, everyone screens (cognitive bias is the norm), and there are few who don’t hear (anywhere) critiques of their positions more loudly and more often than those of others; it’s extremely difficult to stay objective on that. The other challenge is assigning motivation and assessing character: no matter the issue, this place probably doesn’t lend itself to such.
So I don’t think you should worry about it.
Whoah, don’t you dare try to take credit for scaring two people off.
In all seriousness though, if I am judging by this thread only I don’t think you did anything. JB’s been hinting about flying away for awhile now.
For me, it’s just that Trump is the least of our long-term societal problems. I cannot remove him and install Rand Paul (which probably would never work even if he were actually elected anyway) so I don’t focus as much on his issues.
President Rand Paul, with 300 Representatives and over 60 Senators 100% behind him for 8 years could reverse a lot of the damage. But if the country could elect that kind of leadership, we wouldn’t even be in this mess to begin with.
Hell, the Senate alone dooms any chance of reform within the system. The Democrats will always have at least 41 Senators, and their party discipline is ironclad. You will never ever get to vote on Leviathan. It’s done. It’s finished.
So yeah, people can spare me the OrangeManBad. The last President ordered the murder of an American citizen with a drone. The previous one ordered the kidnapping and torture of an American citizen. The one before that ordered the murder of a wacky religious group, a hundred men women and children. The one before that had a man’s wife and family murdered for refusing to spy on a violent terrorist group for them.
I think it’s normal to not-like some things about sites one frequents. But considering this place is free and we are NOT the product, it’s crass to criticize as “this site does X thing I don’t like”. Someone else does this regularly and I give that person the side-eye and move along. If I don’t like something that is not directed specifically at me, I consider it a pecadillo of the site and/or the individual involved and take them as they are. If someone attacks me directly with no provocation but their own displeasure with me, then they’re fair game.
” If someone attacks me directly with no provocation but their own displeasure with me, then they’re fair game”
TBF: the one time I’ve seen this happen to you, you were very, very mild in your response.
She’s got the long game going.
I haven’t forgotten, much less forgiven. It was cruel, vile, and very, very incorrect.
I really appreciate this place for, to me, the diversity of opinions. There is always someone willing to lay contrary information and/or an opinion out for discussion.
Plus, as someone who writes strictly for his own amusement, the knowledge more professional writers drop is always appreciated.