Tuesday Morning Links

by | Jun 23, 2020 | Daily Links | 583 comments

No nooses there.

Man City thumped Burnley. More soccer today. And the NASCAR noose controversy gets bigger (no photos of said nooses have been shown to anybody, to the best of my knowledge). No baseball deal yet. And that’s about it for sports.

Clarence Thomas about to be professionally lynched

Birthdays today include: Edward VIII, the man who gave up the throne for an American, British genius Alan Turing, football team owner hated by almost everyone Art Modell, country singer June Carter Cash, track and field great Wilma Rudolph, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, brilliant musician Glenn Danzig, actress Frances McDormand, odd tv director Joss Whedon, actress Selma Blair, and eccentric soccer player and manager Zinedine Zidane.

And now…the links!

You know, that property all belongs to someone else.

I guess the shootings were enough to get Seattle officials off their asses. The mass violation of property rights, prevention of free movement, and a whole host of other things didn’t do it. Oh, who am I kidding? The mayor is doing this because she’s getting bad press.

Oh, so this is good news then, right? I guess not, even though it would push the death rate down considerably. Instead it’s being presented as a failure for some reason, which I’m sure is in no way political.

Not today, vandals.

DC is descending into chaos. You know, you cease being a protester when you start destroying property that isn’t yours.

Looks like they’ve found the key to Corona immunity in Minnesota. LOLOLOLOL. Do these people really expect to be taken seriously?

Pandering? You go, Rhode Island. This is your chance for people to finally remember you’re actually a state.

Seriously, dude, it’s pretty much like this every weekend in your city. I’m glad you’re finally giving a shit. Way to do the bare minimum once it became the cause du jour.

This is some crazy shit right here. I also am surprised it’s bring handled by the courts and not the Army. To the military folks here, is that normal?

Trump is about to put severe limits on foreign workers. Interesting move to shore up the base, I guess. It doesn’t make any sense to me whatsoever.

A freaking awesome song. And a not-so-bad video either.

Now get out there and have a great day, friends!

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583 Comments

  1. Brochettaward

    What is best in life?
    To first before your enemies
    See them driven before you
    And to hear the lamentation
    Of their women

    • Not Adahn

      Arnold is proof that the American dream is real. You can come here as a gibberish-speaking lunkhead and accumulate vast wealth, vaster fame, political power, and a Kennedy wife.

      • Tejicano

        Ahnold made his first million before he became a Hollywood movie star.

      • JaimeRoberto Delecto

        3 out of 4 ain’t bad.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Commenting first on an obscure libertarian message board isn’t going to achieve any of those things for you. Maybe buy a sword and start doing massive amounts of steroids and see where that takes you.

      • Festus' Mustache

        Fucking the homely help?

  2. Pat

    Oh, so this is good news then, right? I guess not, even though it would push the death rate down considerably.

    Well, there’s your problem. It’s hard to sell the public on turning the country into a stay-at-home gulag if the death rate goes down.

  3. Pat

    Pandering? You go, Rhode Island. This is your chance for people to finally remember you’re actually a state.

    All 30 black people who live there will surely be relieved.

    • Rhywun

      I’m glad we’ve already landed on today’s stupidest story.

      • Sean

        It’s not even 9 am, pace yourself. We can easily out-stupid this by lunch.

      • Festus' Mustache

        I give it minutes…

      • Rhywun

        To be fair, the “noose” crisis is a solid contender.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I was giving it 50/50 odds of being a hoax.

      • Brochettaward

        It’s way higher than 50/50.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        My guess is lanyard.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Extension cord.

      • Count Potato

        Wow.

      • Agent Cooper

        My wife commented about how horrible it was that someone would do something like that.

        I told her to wait 2 weeks.

    • Not Adahn

      Of course not. Those Malheur people were RACISTS! And RACISTS must be attacked through every available means, including semantics.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      I also notice how the left/media was calling for their heads over Malheur, whereas they are not when the current culprits are committing actual crime against residents.

      • prolefeed

        Notice how the Seattle mayor said the “protesters” have to go, and yet no police have shown up to arrest and haul off people violating numerous laws?

        Maybe the police chief is reluctant to do anything in response to a U-turn in pandering from a mayor who would likely throw him or her under the bus if clearing out the trespassers got bad optics?

  4. The Late P Brooks

    You go, Rhode Island. This is your chance for people to finally remember you’re actually a state.

    Rhode Island was named after Cecil?

    • Not Adahn

      Doubtful. Cecil wasn’t even killed until after Harambe was.

    • Don Escaped MLB

      from the Dutch for “red”

      • Not Adahn

        Like The Football Team from Washington!

      • Bobarian LMD

        The Rhodeskins?

    • Tejicano

      Nope. But Rhodesia and the Rhodes scholarship both were named for him. I’m certain Slick Willie will be renouncing his Rhodes scholarship any minute now.

      • Atanarjuat

        If he was #MeToo-proof, the “first* black president” will be Teflon in this.

        *only?

  5. Count Potato

    “’10 years in prison under the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act. Beware!’ he wrote.”

    He should just declare all of Portland and Seattle veteran’s memorials. Didn’t Obama pull some similar crap for global warming?

  6. Cy

    As usual, well done Sloop.

    • sloopyinca

      I assume this is about the music selection and not my endless stream of links about idiots?

      • Count Potato

        I saw them live. They were OK.

      • Festus' Mustache

        Music was actually good. Wendy O Williams stole her schtick. Back then, even lame-o bands could play their instruments. Now do Nina Hagen or Lena Lovitch!

      • Bobarian LMD

        I believe the Plasmatics predate Missing Persons by 3 years, so Wendy was doing her schtick 3 years before Dale.

        I remember watching Wendy and her X’s on Fridays in 1980.

        Their music sucked, but to 15 year old Bob… Schwing!!!

        Dale Bozzio was also schwing.

      • Cy

        Sadly, I never get to see the music links unless I check back in when I get home. I appreciate your time and efforts, as well as the other link bearers, in wading through articles in the wee hours of the morning and posting links.

      • Festus' Mustache

        I wish I had the skillz to link because I’d be happy to fill in. Problem being, dumbest Glib and all…

      • Cy

        Ha! I’m 3 crayons away fro licking a window.

      • Mad Scientist

        Dale Bozzio is adorable.

  7. Pat

    It doesn’t make any sense to me whatsoever.

    25 million people on double-time unemployment and 80% of industry still shuttered. Perhaps the demand for Honduran lawn maintenance engineers and Indian code jockeys isn’t what it was a few months ago.

    • Swiss Servator

      So no law needed then, as the market will handle this, aye?

      • Festus' Mustache

        The desire to be seen doing something, anything is too strong in these trying times. We’re fucked.

      • Not Adahn

        Something must be done, this is something, therefore we must do this.

        It’s like you don’t even logic. You must be one of those icky homeschooled Christian nutjobs.

      • sloopyinca

        Exactly. We could have all the legal immigration we can handle, as long as the market is able to determine supply and demand.
        Of course, we need to abolish all entitlement programs for that to be the case. And I think the issues are inextricably tied together.

      • Festus' Mustache

        This is why we can’t have open borders as much as I philosophically agree with the concept. As an aside, I took that racism test from one of the dead threads and apparently I’m the love child of Bull Conners and Roseanne Barr. Huh. I answered most of the question straight ticket right down the middle like the good little centrist that I grew up as.

      • Pat

        A truly insurmountable gotcha as our immigration policy is, of course, based entirely on market dynamics.

      • juris imprudent

        Now that is sabre-toothed sarcasm.

      • Homple

        Very nicely done.

      • Homple

        Employers are always looking looking for cheaper labor, especially in hard times. More laborers mean cheaper labor any time.

    • slumbrew

      H1-B industries are largely unaffected though – we’re busier than ever in many cases (everyone home streaming movies).

      I assume it’s a pander towards mid-level tech-types who feel their earnings are being depressed by H1-B recipients (all other things equal, that probably is happening), but those same people will still never vote for an ‘R’.

      • Pat

        we’re busier than ever in many cases (everyone home streaming movies).

        Somebody has to maintain the IT systems to process the unemployment claims and EFTs.

        Still seems a bit silly when the tech industry writ large is working from home and feverishly developing track and trace systems to make sure that everyone else stays on lockdown too. It is imperative that everyone from accountants and lawyers to hairdressers and priests stay locked in the basement, but Subramanian Patel is too imperative to the operations of Facebook to phone it in from Delhi?

      • UnCivilServant

        The answer to the unemployment system computers being overwhelmed was to have state employees call people and tell them there will be a delay. there was even a call for volunteers to make the calls.

        And the only thing Mr Patel in the US brings to Facebook that is missing from the same Mr Patel in Delhi is the ability to be bullied and extorted into accepting pay and work conditions Americans won’t lest he be sent back to Delhi.

  8. Cy

    “Prior to the weekend shootings, the atmosphere in the area has been compared to a festival and a giant block party.”

    LoL…. what a bunch of assholes.

    • Swiss Servator

      That whole article was so much spin, I am dizzy here in Illinois.

      • Rhywun

        NBC. Checks out.

    • Festus' Mustache

      Our block parties up here don’t usually feature rape, murder and random methed-out assholes.

      • Count Potato

        So you don’t live in Florida?

      • Festus' Mustache

        I live in the “Florida” part of our fair City. Hill-folk, Sons of the Soil. You know, Morons. This is an actual belief among some of the people that live in the tonier neighborhoods even though we have two or three actual ghetto-type areas right where they live. I’m happy to live up here where the air is fresh and the cousins are willin’!

    • Pat

      You got a loicence for that banner mate?

      • Festus' Mustache

        When this last bunch of bullshit happened (2016?) some wag put furtive post-its around the Plant that said “It’s Okay To Be White.” Much triggering and more eye-rolls.

    • Drake

      “The words themselves aren’t offensive, it’s just the context. It’s the rejection of the conversation we’re having at the moment. That’s what it represents,”

      I reject the Marxist struggle session I’m being told I should be having.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        In other words, repeat the mantra or get the bullet.

      • RAHeinlein

        I keep hearing the word “conversation” – meaning is lost.

      • Festus' Mustache

        “Conversation” is code for “Shut up Racist! I’ll tell you what to believe!” So very tired of this.

  9. Rebel Scum

    Study suggests 80% of Covid-19 cases in the US went undetected in March

    It’s like most people barely have symptoms if they have them at all.

    • prolefeed

      My son in Seattle is having mild symptoms that might or might not be COVID, and is just staying home and not getting tested.

      He asked me if I was an anti-vaxxer when I mentioned I’m not wearing masks in public even though all the stores have the notices saying that is required or recommended. Apparently thinking a bullshit “epidemic” that is roughly as deadly as a bad flu season means I don’t believe in science.

  10. Not Adahn

    NYT killed Slatestarcodex

    https://slatestarcodex.com/

    Honestly, I’m in the mood for some ultraviolence right about now.

    • Nephilium

      Damn it. What’s the point of doxxing the guy?

      • Not Adahn

        The purpose of power is power.

      • Swiss Servator

        Why does a dog lick its balls?

      • Festus' Mustache

        Because they taste like dog balls?

      • bacon-magic

        How do you know that?

      • Not Adahn

        Obs, his town has a dog balls festival every year where the local vets get together and deep-fry all the canid testes they’ve removed over the course of the year. It’s kind of a big deal.

      • Festus' Mustache

        There’s a classic car parade and midget fest. It IS a big deal.

      • Not Adahn

        Before the car existed, did people have “classic buckboard shows?”

      • UnCivilServant

        No, horse shows.

        It’s all about the horsepower.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Swamp oysters?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Proving once again that she’s a vindictive cunt with no real regard for intellectual discourse.

      • Count Potato

        “No my position Is NYT is wrong but I’m still glad he’s deleting his blog”

        Seriously.

      • bacon-magic

        She and other journolists (yes) are a main part of today’s problems.

      • Count Potato

        CWAA

      • Not Adahn

        Holy Shit! WTF is wrong with her?

        Scott is smarter and a better writer than her and her entire extended family combined.

      • Tulip

        That’s the problem

      • mrfamous

        He called her out on “sandwich-gate” and apparently she’s had it in for him ever since.

      • Not Adahn

        I honestly thought she was just a mildly annoying pseudo-libertarian who only overlapped with actual libertarians on sex work. But she really is a cunte, isn’t she?

      • Festus' Mustache

        yes

      • Juvenile Bluster

        In the last few months Soave has been really good on a lot of these issues and I’ve regained a lot of the respect for him I once lost.

        ENB has gone off the deep end the other way.

      • Chipwooder

        Yep. Robbie has been surprisingly stalwart.

        ENB has been aggressively reinforcing my long-ago first impression of her as Weigel in drag.

      • leon

        Fuck ENB.

        Journalists should protect sources but they also dont just not publish names just because someone doesn’t like it

        So then why does reason never publish the name of “Jackie” from the Rolling Stone hoax?

        Fuck you

      • Festus' Mustache

        What the fuck is wrong with her? She needs Dog Balls, stat!

      • Jarflax

        She can make herself a sammitch.

      • DEG

        “This tweet is unavailable”.

      • bacon-magic

        ^
        Bravely stunning

      • Bobarian LMD

        Yep, she apparently backed off whatever she said…

      • Not Adahn

        Huh. I guess she miscalculated on her relative popularity vis-a-vis Scott.

    • Count Potato

      That’s the worst news I’ve heard today. I hope that at least it gets archived somewhere.

      • Festus' Mustache

        See? I said “minutes” and this one actually posted at 7:16. My comment was at 7:17. The Derp is capable of time travel. FTL speeds.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Man. One of the few voices of reason on the internet. Gone.

      Yet, this piece of shit rag paper infested with progressive low IQ snivelling shit head boring and predictable rats with its legion of ham ball readers and commenters continues on.

      How 2020 is pissing me off.

      Why even bother to get covered by the NYT? I learned a hard lesson about 15 years ago when MacLean’s magazine came to talk to us about our website. The bitch used us to steal information and not attribute it to us.

      • Rhywun

        Never, ever talk to a reporter. I almost made the mistake of talking to The Jacket about Woodchippergate, but he never got back to me so I’m glad I dodged that bullet.

      • juris imprudent

        I collaborated with Doherty on the story about the BLM LE seizure of U.S. mail at Burning Man a few years back.

      • Atanarjuat

        He seems a lot less douchey than the rest, but maybe I’m just an optimist.

      • Festus' Mustache

        Ooo, I hates The MacLean’s, I do! Got sucked into a subscription back in the 90’s (helping out a family member). After awhile it was just straight into the bin. Stopped payment and the damn thing kept showing up for the next 3-4 years. Little wonder that print journalism is dead.

      • Pat

        Stopped payment and the damn thing kept showing up for the next 3-4 years.

        I got a free trial subscription to Fortune magazine about 3 years ago and haven’t missed an issue since.

      • Festus' Mustache

        When we moved in the Cabella’s catalogue from the previous owner kept showing up for a few years. No complaints about that.

    • leon

      NYT and CNN do love to throw around the doxing to flex their muscles. Then they freak out when people say they are the enemy.

      • AlexinCT

        They are doing it for a good and noble cause! The world needs more Marxism!

    • Sensei

      Thanks for one of today’s depressing stories.

  11. The Late P Brooks

    Right wing murdermobiles!

    Right-wing extremists are turning cars into weapons, with reports of at least 50 vehicle-ramming incidents since protests against police violence erupted nationwide in late May.

    At least 18 are categorized as deliberate attacks; another two dozen are unclear as to motivation or are still under investigation, according to a count released Friday by Ari Weil, a terrorism researcher at the University of Chicago’s Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Weil has tracked vehicle-ramming attacks, or VRAs, since protests began.

    ——-

    “The use of car attacks against peaceful protesters is increasingly a deliberate terror tactic for white supremacists,” said Amy Spitalnick, executive director of Integrity First for America, a civil rights nonprofit that’s leading a civil suit on behalf of Charlottesville ramming victims. The goal of the suit is to bankrupt and dismantle several hate groups that helped organize the rally.

    “As detailed in our lawsuit, the Charlottesville violence was planned months in advance online — including discussions of hitting protesters with cars,” Spitalnick said.

    Weil said support for the attacks is not just seen in extremist channels but is also spreading in more mainstream Republican and conservative spaces.

    ——-

    Most of the recent rammings have been captured on video. The footage follows a grim pattern: Protesters are shown walking peacefully when, suddenly, a car or truck appears in the frame and hurtles toward the crowd. People run, crouch and scream, “Oh my God!” Then the driver either manages to speed off or is surrounded and set upon by the outraged protesters.

    All over Amerikkka, right wing extremists are plotting to run peaceful protestors over. Chain up the 4wd pick up truck, and head down to the Freedom March, Kkkleetus!

    Bonus completely unsubstantiated unverifiable anecdote from a victim who just happened to escape unscathed but horribly shaken.

    • Not Adahn

      NPR chose to illustrate that story with a screencap of a driver escaping a gun-wielding assailant.

      • Festus' Mustache

        Yes. And apparently another one tried to stop her moments later. These people on the Crazy/Left are like bears. They mean you harm and don’t you dare forget that once you’re in their territory.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      No mention of how many windows were busted out of cars by skateboard wielding “freedom fighters.”

      • Festus' Mustache

        I would have laughed at that as a punchline to a joke not too long ago.

    • Drake

      I blame Reginald Denny.

    • TARDIS

      These stupid morons have no idea how bad it will really be when there is an actual rampage. If Kletus, Bubba, Earl, Jonas, and friends load up the pick’emup truck and head into town, it ain’t going be just one or two casualties.

      • Festus' Mustache

        “This is my Design…”

      • prolefeed

        You bringing Hannibal too?

      • prolefeed

        Binging. Someday I need to learn how to turn off autocorrect.

    • Cy

      NPR, nothing more enraging than taxpayer funded commies!

    • Don Escaped MLB

      completely unsubstantiated unverifiable anecdote

      During the antifa discussion, I was taught the answer is spontaneous order. This seems similar to me.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      How many of those people are normies who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and we’re scared shitless? My guess would be just about all of them, if people were out murdering people with cars there’d be hundreds dead. Stay out of the fucking road and this won’t be an issue.

      • Gustave Lytton

        ^^^^^

    • Rebel Scum

      car attacks against peaceful protesters

      Peaceful protesters that peacefully surround and harass cars and their drivers. And I heard about one instance of peaceful protesters peacefully dragging a man from a semi. Nothing to see here but dangerous right-wing extremists.

  12. Rebel Scum

    Clarence Thomas about to be professionally lynched

    And Joe Biden is leading the charge!

    • juris imprudent

      Yeah, he actually referred to it as a high-tech lynching.

      Never in my life have I seen so many politicians at an absolute and total loss of words. It was fucking glorious.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    “The surge of non-influenza ILI outpatients was much larger than the number of confirmed cases in each state, providing evidence of large numbers of probable symptomatic COVID-19 cases that remained undetected.”

    But superspreaders!

    • Festus' Mustache

      Is that like “superpredators”?

      • Festus' Mustache

        “SuperRedditors”

  14. Translucent Chum

    Whitmer won’t cooperate with GOP inquiry on virus in nursing homes.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/22/whitmer-wont-cooperate-gop-inquiry-virus-nursing-homes/3237273001/

    “Whitmer indicated to Republicans on a U.S. House coronavirus committee that she wouldn’t cooperate with their inquiry, saying the panel’s investigatory authority does not lie with individual members and the committee’s jurisdiction cannot be “stretched” to include the health and safety of a state and its residents.

    “I hope that as members of a federal body tasked with oversight of the federal executive branch during this unprecedented public health crisis you refrain from encroaching on the sovereign power of a state government to deal with state matters,” Whitmer wrote in a letter dated Friday.”

    • juris imprudent

      you refrain from encroaching on the sovereign power of a state government to deal with state matters

      Well, it sure has been a long time since Democrats stood up for state rights.

      • Bobarian LMD

        When does the shelling of Ft Sumter begin?

    • leon

      I’ll say that the woman has a lot of iron will to get what she wants done. Moreso than other governor’s.

    • Rebel Scum

      Democrats are good anti-federalists when they want to be dictatorial and/or avoid scrutiny.

  15. The Late P Brooks

    From NotAdahn’s Slatestar link:

    When I expressed these fears to the reporter, he said that it was New York Times policy to include real names, and he couldn’t change that. After considering my options, I decided on the one you see now. If there’s no blog, there’s no story. Or at least the story will have to include some discussion of NYT’s strategy of doxxing random bloggers for clicks.

    Persons familiar with the editorial practices of the NYT, but not cleared to comment on the record, later confirmed this.

    • Pat

      No shit. 5 years of Russia fever dreams based on anonymous sources and calls for Rand Paul to be thrown out of the senate for speaking the sacred name of Eric Ciaramella.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      You don’t understand, the NYT is the victim here.

      • Sensei

        Nice!

  16. Pat

    Black men: ‘You just have to keep reliving the trauma’

    11 days, 264 hours and 15,840 minutes after the video of George Floyd slowly suffocating went viral, Zeke logged onto his work network and posted in the forum.

    “We need to address this,” he wrote.

    Zeke*, 26, had heard nothing internally or externally from his law firm about Black Lives Matter until he spoke out.

    “I only had people reaching out to me after I mentioned it in the forum, then I had a couple of senior members of staff speak to me privately. That’s when I could tell from the way that they spoke – it’s no shade against them – but I could tell it was a very difficult conversation for them.

    “It showed me that they haven’t had exposure to black people and black spaces. A check-in shouldn’t really have to be a difficult conversation.”

    Just six out of more than 800 UK-based partners at elite Magic Circle law firms, like the one Zeke works for, are black.

    “I’ve felt very, very isolated. I am unique in this place, there’s no one here that’s going to understand me, how things affect me, inside the organisation no one’s going to have any idea.”

    Zeke, who chose to remain anonymous, says his firm’s response has been really damaging to his mental health, and no one has reached out to offer support.

    With the money that you are paid in exchange for your services as a lawyer, you can actually go out and purchase the services of a psychiatrist to deal with your obviously substantial mental issues. Customarily, your employer does not keep a staff on hand to deal with that.

    • Rhywun

      Seriously. Seek help.

    • WTF

      “My company didn’t make a statement in support of a Marxist political group!”
      “WAAAAHHH!!!

    • Rufus the Monocled

      SYSTEMIC INSENSITIVITY.

  17. The Late P Brooks

    There is no comments section for this post. The appropriate comments section is the feedback page of the New York Times. You may also want to email the New York Times technology editor Pui-Wing Tam at pui-wing.tam@nytimes.com, contact her on Twitter at @puiwingtam, or phone the New York Times at 844-NYTNEWS.

    (please be polite – I don’t know if Ms. Tam was personally involved in this decision, and whoever is stuck answering feedback forms definitely wasn’t. Remember that you are representing me and the SSC community, and I will be very sad if you are a jerk to anybody. Please just explain the situation and ask them to stop doxxing random bloggers for clicks. If you are some sort of important tech person who the New York Times technology section might want to maintain good relations with, mention that.)

    Pffft. Where’s the fun in that?

    • Festus' Mustache

      They used to publish some my comments back in the 2000’s. Good luck getting past the gatekeepers now. I’m surprised that they still allow comments, truth be told.

  18. Translucent Chum

    Whitmer would consider trying to block Trump rally in Michigan.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/22/report-whitmer-would-consider-trying-block-trump-rally/3234604001/

    “On Thursday, Whitmer extended Michigan’s state of emergency through July 16 — a date that’s 110 days before the Nov. 3 election. The state of emergency declaration gives the governor the ability to take unilateral measures to combat the virus that’s been linked to 5,846 deaths here.

    The governor lifted the state’s stay-at-home order on June 1. However, restrictions on public gatherings and capacity within businesses remain.”

    • Count Potato

      She is the worst.

  19. Rufus the Monocled

    So. Does Durkan have blood on her hands?

    • Brochettaward

      This is his 15 minutes. He has no competition in NASCAR for one thing – being sort of black. He’s going to milk it for all its worth. I’d bet my magnificent penis that this is fake.

    • Rhywun

      Yeah, I wouldn’t hang a noose in his garage.

      Maybe he’s mixed.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        I heard on Office Tatum’s channel his mother is black and father is white.

      • Festus' Mustache

        It’s bullshit. Again.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      As if we needed more evidence that NASCAR was over.

    • Cy

      Staged….

    • RAHeinlein

      Calling bullshit on this one. Neither my husband nor I follow NASCAR – saw this story yesterday at the gym and spouse has been following – walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

    • Endless Mike

      I don’t know… was there bleach? MAGA hats?

    • Rebel Scum

      Even the DailyMail doesn’t have a picture of the noose.

      #BelieveMen

  20. JD is in the United Karendom

    O/T “my sister is a mendacious cunte” post:

    I says: “John Oliver is pretty smug for a guy who’s consistently wrong about almost everything”.

    My sister says “No he’s not!”, then pauses, and follows that up, smirking, with “he rarely talks in absolutes to be wrong about”.

    Oh the humanity. This is from someone who thinks Don Lemon is a noble, brave, and impartial journalist, the wHiTe SuPrEmAcIsTs are everywhere in the millions, that Ta-Nehisi Coates is right and reasonable, etc. FYI she has some sort of “personality disorder”, often getting caught in a lie but somehow never actually admitting this to herself, sometimes contradicting herself in the very next sentence and denying what she literally just said. She’s highly manipulative and can turn on the shakes and the tears when she “can’t even” or wants something. She lives in a bubble of whatever the fuck she spends 23 hours a day messaging her “friends” about on social media. She doesn’t have any real friends and claims to not really be engaged in facebook much at all but the phone is always in her hand and she’s always on facebook ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. She once tried to claw my eyes out when she was obsessed with whatever “gamergate” was and something I said apparently equated to “victim blaming” when she was compliment fishing with selfies on reddit forums and some wiseguys did some photoshops or said something toxically masculine or some bullshit. That was christmas day and I suggested maybe she stop fussing about what the facebooks are doing and spend some time actually with the family. Apparently by not sharing in her outrage that people on a public forum were allowed to say and do things she didn’t like I was “part of the problem” and then “something something gamergate” etc etc. I had no frame of reference for all that shit but in hindsight it makes a lot of sense. This was several years ago but she was totally plugged into the new cult of social justice or whatever then, and even now she constantly refers to herself as a “centrist”. Overton window out the window.

    Anyway, sorry (not sorry?) for the rant. Unfortunately I think she’ll be hanging around and dependent for the rest of my life somehow when I have a hard enough time trying to sort things out for myself.

    Has anyone else dealt with pathological family members?

    • Brochettaward

      when she was compliment fishing with selfies on reddit forums

      Would?

      • JD is in the United Karendom

        There’s a rule about that sort of thing.

      • Brochettaward

        Rules are meant to be broken.

      • slumbrew

        There’s a rule Porn Hub category about that sort of thing.

        FIFY

    • Chipwooder

      I have an uncle who’s always been a bit screwy, but never really was political in any way before, who has turned into the archetypal “broken by Trump” person. He posts constantly on Facebook and 95% of those posts are him yelling about Trump.

      • JD is in the United Karendom

        There’s definitely a part of that; how the whole 2016 and onward situation has focused attention, projection, and emotion like apparently never before on national politics and particularly this weird-haired fella in the Oval Office. Some folks seemed particularly acutely affected by that.

      • Chipwooder

        It’s really a shame. He has a bunch of siblings (mom grew up as one of nine kids, eight of whom are still living) and they’ll all think he’s lost his mind now. Occasionally one of them will attempt to have a conversation with him but it never works because he’ll just start ranting about Trump. Despite his temper, he has a good heart and has always been a very family-oriented guy.

      • AlexinCT

        These people really are this way because off an identity crisis. They bought the bullshit Obama peddled about transforming the country (thinking he meant for the better instead of into a divided identitarian shithole) and lapped up the media telling them socialism had won. Wanting to be on the winning side, they went all in, and like recent converts desperate to show how fervent their belief is, threw in all their chips. It made them feel like winners and smart. Then the orange guy managed to win an election they all believed was so well rigged for Herself, that the outcome – which would prove them wise and even more intelligent than the unwashed rabble -and that caused an existential mental crisis and breakdown.

      • prolefeed

        It’s like a Two Minutes Hate that has run overlong by about 3.5 years.

    • Pat

      Has anyone else dealt with pathological family members?

      Mental illness runs on both sides of my family like Usain Bolt at the Olympics with a white police officer hot on his heels. Fortunately, we stopped speaking to most of them many years ago.

      • JD is in the United Karendom

        I’m stealing that.

    • PieInTheSky

      Has anyone else dealt with pathological family members?- define family members. Some of my cousins are many a flavor of moron.

      • Cy

        Ditto. I remember when I was younger thinking that they were on some journey to find themselves. Nope, just lazy assholes who became raging liberals because they woke up one day and realized how fucked they were for being lazy assholes.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Yup. My father’s side has its bouts with mental illness along with autism (like libertarians!). My sister is bi-polar/has depression. We’re almost certain my father had depression.

    • Tejicano

      I have a sister who has been in severe TDS for the past 3.5 years. She also has a number of issues which put her in the cross-hairs for the Commie Cough. As you might imagine, we don’t correspond all that much. We just don’t have that much to talk about which she could maintain a civil tongue.

    • bacon-magic

      Yeah, I’ve cut ties to most of my family. Not healthy for me to be around them.

    • Festus' Mustache

      Yes. Cut them out of your life, at least for a time. The last utterance I heard from my Brother was the word “Nazi” because I laughed about Trump winning the election in 2016. The last words I heard from my Mother I won’t repeat here. The last ones that I heard from my Father were “Don’t be a stranger!” Sorry Pops, that ship sailed. Toxic people come in many forms and sometimes they dress up like your closest family members. Sorry, Friend.

    • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

      Unfortunately I think she’ll be hanging around and dependent for the rest of my life somehow when I have a hard enough time trying to sort things out for myself.

      IMO, this shouldn’t happen. Take care of yourself first. Personality disorder or no, there will come a time where she realizes that the safety net for her stupidity is gone. That is, unless you provide her with a perpetual safety net.

    • DEG

      This is from someone who thinks Don Lemon is a noble, brave, and impartial journalist, the wHiTe SuPrEmAcIsTs are everywhere in the millions, that Ta-Nehisi Coates is right and reasonable, etc. FYI she has some sort of “personality disorder”, often getting caught in a lie but somehow never actually admitting this to herself, sometimes contradicting herself in the very next sentence and denying what she literally just said. She’s highly manipulative and can turn on the shakes and the tears when she “can’t even” or wants something. She lives in a bubble of whatever the fuck she spends 23 hours a day

      Except for the social media stuff, it sounds like we have the same sister.

      Sorry.

      I stopped talking to my sister. I’m better off.

    • Rebel Scum

      “he rarely talks in absolutes to be wrong about”

      Because he is a smug wanker who is also a moron that wants to deflect from possible criticism.

      and even now she constantly refers to herself as a “centrist”. Overton window out the window.

      Of course, proggies are the pragmatic centrists and you are a far-right nutjob. It is known.

  21. Rhywun

    Apparently New York has primaries today, which explains why I saw three AOC commercials last night. Holy crap, it’s like nails on chalkboard.

    • PieInTheSky

      Vote for me!

      • UnCivilServant

        I’d think you’d at least need to be a legal permanant resident, maybe even a citizen.

      • Not Adahn

        Nope. Just vote D, and you’re golden.

      • UnCivilServant

        Never Again*

        *It was the comptroller’s race, and the other candidates were all too willing to let the legislature raid the pension fund.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      If AOC loses, that’s one small step back for reason and common sense.

      Nothing would please more if I ever walk into a bar with her behind the counter and me asking for a ‘Mojito’.

      Shake it girl.

      • Jarflax

        She’d serve you a Black Russian and accuse you of racism when you objected.

    • RAHeinlein

      I was going to donate to Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, but she doesn’t need money.

      • Rhywun

        Of course not. She’s In Bed With Wall Street. AOC told me so.

      • cyto

        Living in these districts is pretty surreal.

        Back in the 90s I lived in Atlanta. Cynthia McKinney was my representative. AOC before there was an AOC. Except with more communism and more race politics. Cute, black and crazy as the day is long.

  22. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Tard Tuesday: Fox Consciousness

    I like to think and I DO THINK that my late parents would not have been susceptible to Fox and its propaganda. But seeing how many parents/grandparents have been absolutely brainwashed–who had been tolerant, discerning, independent thinkers before– I really can’t say that with certainty.

    • Brochettaward

      Nothing says independent like repeating the talking points put out by CNN, ABC, NBC, the NYT’s, the Washington Post…

      • Pat

        Everyone who disagrees me is incapable of independent thinking!

    • kbolino

      My grandparents were racist and they watched Fox. They were racist before Fox even existed though, so I’m not entirely sure there’s a causal link there.

    • Rebel Scum

      independent thinkers

      Proggies always claim to be independent thinkers when they are the quintessential non-independent thinkers.

      • Mad Scientist

        You see, they independently decided to rationalize a bunch of bullshit to get their way, unlike those who oppose them, who unthinkingly rationalize bullshit to get their way.

    • Nephilium

      /waits for PornHub to license it (or copy it).

    • Rufus the Monocled

      As time moves forward here’s my bet: Covid-19 will prove to be a dud.

  23. Nephilium

    So… are we supposed to believe her?

    • Pat

      Hurrrrrr lives are more important than property durrrrrrrrrr insurance herp durrrrrrppppppppp.

      • Nephilium

        For further context, this is the shop that was the one at the center of the FBI arrest of the “non-violent protestor” caught on camera throwing a trash can through their window.

  24. Rebel Scum

    As they tried to pull the statue down, DC police began to break up the crowd and clear the area, according to The Washington Post.

    Good.

  25. Grosspatzer

    People are having a good time. This must be stopped!

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/06/after-big-crowds-swarm-popular-jersey-shore-bar-management-promises-more-social-distancing-restrictions.html

    Used to frequent this place back in the ’70’s, before it became a “Bar and Grill”. They claimed to be the second-largest distributor of Schaefer beer on the planet, and no one doubted them. Schaefer on tap was all they served, 5 6-oz glasses for $1. Nice place to get a cheap bar tan.

    • egould310

      “ 5 6-oz glasses for $1.”

      The ensuing beer farts must have been epic and hilarious.

      • Festus' Mustache

        #shartslivesmatter

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      You give good advice but can you really absorb enough through the skin to do damage I wonder.

      • Suthenboy

        I have carried bottles of 91% methanol (rubbing alcohol…get it…’rubbing’) in my jeep for decades. I use it to wash my hands after taking trash to the dumpster, a day in the woods….whatever. The FDA is full of shit. I have never once taken a drink of it or gotten any symptoms whatsoever, aside from clean hands, from using it.

      • Not Adahn

        You sure that’s not ispropanol?

      • Festus' Mustache

        I haven’t used any hand-cleaning agent other than de-greaser since this comic opera began and that was because I changed the oil in the truck. Fuck Karen. 350,000 people, 65 cases, 0 deaths.

    • straffinrun

      *Spit take*

    • R C Dean

      So, they aren’t sending their best hand sanitizer?

  26. PieInTheSky

    Pandering? You go, Rhode Island. This is your chance for people to finally remember you’re actually a state. – they should auction the new name rights and make some money. Just like sports stadiums.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Rhode Island McIslandyface

    • Suthenboy

      I think we have parishes larger than RI. I know Texas has counties that are bigger.

      • prolefeed

        If Rhode Island was made a county of Texas, it wouldn’t make it into the top forty for size.

      • leon

        My county is bigger than Rhode Island, Delaware or Connecticut. At least by land area.

  27. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Of course not. I bet her claims of death threats are as fake as her tits.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Bah, @Nephilium

  28. The Late P Brooks

    This was several years ago but she was totally plugged into the new cult of social justice or whatever then, and even now she constantly refers to herself as a “centrist”.

    Sounds like some of the staunch “Independent” voters I know, who would rather be boiled in oil than vote for a Republican.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      “Centrist” is just a way of saying “staunchly unprincipled”

      • leon

        Heh. Yeah it always seems to end up being “say what is popular”

      • Viking1865

        Centrist, in my experience, is a leftist who’s lying.

        My mother is in her mid 60s. She voted for Gerald Ford in 1976. This is how she considers herself a bipartisan moderate. Why did she vote for Ford? Because Carter was a devout Christian.

        Such moderate. Much bipartisan.

  29. The Late P Brooks

    Nice place to get a cheap bar tan.

    Such euphemism.,

  30. PieInTheSky

    Well this is worrying: Evidence of massive publication bias in antidepressant research. Negative findings are rarely published, creating an exaggerated impression of the efficacy of antidepressants

    https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1275194110085754881

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Negative findings almost never get published. A Journal of Negative Results would be a meaningful thing across a whole host of disciplines.

      • littleruttiger

        I couldn’t agree more

    • Not Adahn

      Publication bias is common in all disciplines.

    • Juvenile Bluster

      I’ll say this.

      I was first diagnosed with major depressive disorder in 1996. I’d been suffering for years but kept it hid (thanks, mom and dad), then got away to college, it all exploded, tried to kill myself, ended up in the hospital. I’m pretty sure I’ve talked about that here before.

      From 1996-2008, more than two decades, I jumped from antidepressant to antidepressant. I tried every single one that could be thought of. Nearly every SSRI plus other types like Effexor. Either they didn’t work or their side effects were so severe that I couldn’t stay on them (there was one that worked but it affected my appetite to the point where I gained 20 pounds in 5 months). All of those were obviously medications that were “proven” to work in double blind studies.

      Finally I found one that worked for me. After all that time. And it still actually has a negative effect on my anxiety disorder, but for now I’ll take the tradeoff.

      Brain chemistry is weird.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        “20 lbs in 5 months”

        Mirtazapine? I used to take that off label for sleep and it’ll make you eat sugar out of the bag if you aren’t careful.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        Yep. Was eating everything in sight. It was like when I was a teenager, except 35 year old me didn’t quite have the metabolism of 15 year old me.

      • Chipwooder

        My extreme suspicion of psychiatry stems from a really awful experience I had back in college when I was diagnosed as both depressed and ADHD. I was prescribed Zoloft (I think….it was either Zoloft or Paxil) and Adderall, and the combination of the two made me a paranoid lunatic. I started sleeping in my car (on the rare occasions when I did sleep – I often was awake for days at a time) because I was certain my roommates were plotting against me, I woke up after a drunken night to discover I had sliced my leg up with a knife, and ended up pulling a half-hearted suicide attempt that landed me in a hospital psych ward for a couple of days. After I was released, went back to the psychiatrist and he tells me “Oh, whoops, I probably shouldn’t have prescribed those together. Here’s a script for a different antidepressant.” Yeah, no thanks. Never filled the prescription, never went back to either the psychologist or the psychiatrist.

      • kbolino

        I was never on anything more than Zoloft but I found it such a dull and life-draining experience. The last straw for me was going to talk to the psychiatrist for a refill, having all of a 10-minute appointment every 3 months, and she decided based on our conversation to prescribe me yet another drug (I don’t remember what). I never filled that script and I stopped taking the Zoloft cold turkey. Not a strategy that works for everyone, especially long-term users, but I was done with being controlled by drugs. Though mentioning it was an easy way to get rid of military recruiters (not that I either understood why nor cared all that much about it at the time).

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Taking Adderall over an extended period makes me paranoid as hell and irritable too. Taking it very occasionally for a little bit of fun is OK but that’s about it.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        My mom had the annoying habit of going into a doctor’s/pyschiatrist’s visit self-diagnosed and with a binder of paperwork recommending her own course of treatment. She convinced a psych to give her a long-term, low-dose prescription for an acute anti-anxiety medicine because she found some article about it. Turns out that the medicine works well, but it accumulates in your body and starts having negative effects after about 8 months or so. The negative effects were paranoid schizophrenia. It took 10 years for her to figure it out. 10 years as a medically-induced paranoid schizophrenic convinced that the beacon on top of the cell tower at the end of the street was a sniper laser and having the voices in her head agree with her.

        I’ll not get into the nitty gritty details, but I’ll say that my relationship with that side of the family has never been the same since that happened. You don’t just accept that your normal, if a bit depressed post-divorce daughter just snaps one day and becomes mentally unstable. You certainly don’t just stick her in the back bedroom and collect her SS disability checks.

    • juris imprudent

      Thomas Szasz nods from the beyond.

    • Suthenboy

      I feel badly for y’all that have suffered from mental conditions, and for you JD as well. I have family members that are either mentally ill (schizophrenia runs heavy on my father’s mother’s family) or suffer from personality disorders. They are both poison. Life is hard enough without having to deal with that.

      I dont think I have any issues myself, but how would I know? I function well enough when I am around people but I prefer and enjoy isolation. Is that a thing?

      • Mojeaux

        My kids and I are on a whole host of chemicals.

        I don’t really care what others think because those chemicals make our lives exponentially better than they would be without.

      • prolefeed

        My life took a drastic turn for the better once I started taking Welbutrin. Happiness via drugs correcting chemical imbalances is a thing.

      • Mojeaux

        Totally a thing.

        I will admit I may not need a couple of these as our life shakes out and settles down, but for now, they’re awesome.

  31. Tundra

    Good morning, Sloop!

    Regarding the statue idiots – do any of these jurisdictions own water cannons?

    It doesn’t make any sense to me whatsoever.

    Of course it doesn’t. You heart free markets. It’s a good political move, though.

    A freaking awesome song. And a not-so-bad video either.

    Indeed. I remember buying Spring Session M at the Musicland in Southdale. A true suburban punk.

    Poor Dale, though. The years have not been kind.

    Have a great day, peeps!

  32. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Tard Tuesday: The Money Tree Provides All

    People on unemployment are making more than their actual job pays them, and your FIRST THOUGHT is, “y’all taking advantage,” and not, “wow, so the money to pay everyone a livable wage was there all along,” and y’all don’t see how capitalism gave you worms for brains.

    • Pat

      I love it when white people who have never traveled south of New Jersey use the term “ya’ll” online. Particularly while they are lecturing you on cultural appropriation.

    • Juvenile Bluster

      I’m still on the “kill every form of welfare and institute a UBI” train. I know that’s not exactly libertarian (though it’s espoused by some libertarians), but I’m trying to be realistic (in that we’ll never turn off the government money spigot) and it would save a ton of money.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        UBI is the only realistic way to (mostly) dismantle the welfare state in the current zeitgeist. Guarding against creep would be vital though.

      • robc

        It would require a constitutional amendment with a “and we mean it” clause.

      • Brochettaward

        Why? They already ignore the other amendments. What would make this one special?

      • Swiss Servator

        “Guarding against creep would be vital though.”

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

        6 months. Tops.

      • robc

        Yours was a few days before mine.

      • Chipwooder

        I don’t think too many libertarians would object to a UBI replacing the welfare state. Rather, it’s just that very few of them think that UBI would ever be a replacement for the welfare state rather than an addition to it.

      • kbolino

        There’s another possibility, which is that UBI ends up heavily convoluted and regulated like the tax code. In any case, though, the idea of just giving everybody a set amount of money that they can spend how they choose, and leaving them responsible for all of the consequences of their choices, is about as politically palatable as repealing every firearm-related restriction. In fact, the latter might be more plausible.

      • UnCivilServant

        Instead of UBI, lets just mail everyone a firearm and some ammo every month.

      • Surly Knott

        It’s not even that, though that is 100% pure truth.
        It’s the impact of dismantling the entire vast set of bureaucratic empires that administer and oversee the current welfare systems.

      • R C Dean

        I don’t think the problem with the welfare state is that it doesn’t have enough “clients”, so count me in the camp who thinks UBI will make things worse, not better. If everyone puts more money in their pocket every time UBI is raised, how do you think elections are going to go?

      • leon

        Here’s my issues with UBI:

        – You cannot keep it to “Just UBI”. Within 40 years we’ll have everything again because bubba spent his UBI on the booze and it’s not fair to bubba’s wife that she has only half as much money to spend on food as everyone else.
        – It just doesn’t work mathematically. You would be drastically cutting the benefits for the poorer end of the spectrum, in order to ensure you could actually pay for it. the more you raised benefits, the greater you’d have to tax people on the higher end, and to reach parity it gets way to onerous. This is why you won’t get leftists to agree to cut welfare in exchange for UBI, because you’d be cutting benefits.

      • The Last American Hero

        So the key issue in every post-UBI election is how the UBI doesn’t provide a “living wage” and how it needs to be increased.

        You can’t reform Medicare because of the senior voting block. What about when everyone is the voting block?

    • robc

      Was at a restaurant Sunday night. Talking to waitress about the changes to the menu, they are struggling to staff. Most haven’t come back, for ^^^ that reason.

    • kbolino

      The money was not “there all along”, it’s never been there, and it’s also not there for the propping up of the stock market that’s going on. All of this fake money is premised upon the belief that things will return to normal before too long. This bubble might pop anyway, but keep the printing presses going for no reason and it will pop a lot sooner.

      • juris imprudent

        This is the problem with the general lack of understanding that money represents value, not vice versa. The correction for this is going to make the Great Depression look like a picnic.

    • Suthenboy

      Does anyone remember my discussion of the measuring of lumber?

  33. PieInTheSky

    Scott Alexander of Slate Star Codex (@slatestarcodex
    ) deletes his blog after a @nytimes
    reporter threatens to doxx him, which could ruin his career as a psychiatrist and raises serious safety concerns.

    https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1275318412051275782

    Not a fan necessarily but it had the occasional good point. Seems old news but I did not know the blog was gone

    • PieInTheSky

      I see it was in this very thread

    • Brochettaward

      The most interesting takeaway in that is that the guy lives with ten “housemates.” What is he a fucking Mormon.

      • Cy

        Sounds like a San Fransisco Trainman. Maybe a bean on a burrito?

      • Not Adahn

        Culturally, he’s as ultra-lefty woke san-fran progtard fashionista as you can get. Group living, asexual transgender polycules, you name it. He just can’t muster the blind hatred to get his politics straight. He used to be the “boyfriend” of Ozy Franz.

      • slumbrew

        That jumped out at me as well.

        “I want to live with more people” just does. not. compute. for me.

        Honestly, I’d like to see my wife less – I love her but I need my alone time. The Wu Flu has largely eliminated that.

        I like the way Robert B. Parker and his wife went – they separated but missed each other so they ended up buying a 2-family house.

        (I don’t think the wife would go for it).

      • Mojeaux

        Honestly, I’d like to see my wife less – I love her but I need my alone time.

        I resemble that sentiment, but I’ve trained him not to speak to me much during the work day. I canNOT get shaken out of my groove/train of thought for a dad joke or household business that could be discussed in the evening.

        That said, now I’m used to it.

        It helps that XY goes out on his bike most of the day. XX works 32 hours a week.

      • zwak

        My inlaws did something like that after retirement. They couldn’t live under the same roof, but enjoyed each others company, so they bought 20 acres that had a house with a mother-in-law apartment.

  34. Rufus the Monocled

    If I were Trump, all I’d do is run ads of clips of Biden blathering incoherently with the caption. If you care about the elderly don’t vote Biden. Or if you or a loved suffer with early stages of dementia please don’t vote Biden.

    Or.

    Just run the clip with the caption: Get Real. Vote Trump.

    • Juvenile Bluster

      Normally I abhor negative advertising, but I’m pretty sure it’s all either of these jokers have right now.

    • littleruttiger

      I saw what I think was a Biden ad on youtube yesterday, but at first I thought it was a Trump add because subtitles were on and some of the beginning things he said were off. Maybe the subtitles were wrong, but it seemed really odd his campaign would put that out.

  35. Scruffy Nerfherder

    I encountered an interesting situation last night while speaking to an old friend in the upper-Midwest area. He’s completely questioning himself and his viewpoint on everything because he’s white. I said you’re putting principals over principles and giving into the postmodern argument that your lived experience as a white person invalidates your opinion. His response was “I don’t know man..”

    This guy has a n engineering degree from an Ivy League university.

    The tactic of trying to make white people question themselves and just give in to their demands without discussion appears to be working to some extent.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      Ivy League university.

      It started a long time ago.

    • leon

      The world is a big place, and any argument will convince some people.

    • robc

      engineering degree from an Ivy League university.

      I see the first problem.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Meh, we were in the same class. I think it has more to do with where he lives now and his social exposure.

        When we graduated, the engineering school couldn’t have cared less if you were black/white/yellow/pink/purple. Just do the damn work.

      • EvilSheldon

        Subornation is a real thing. It’s sad to watch.

    • EvilSheldon

      People who are confident and self-reliant are difficult to manipulate for votes and tax revenue. You have to gaslight them to the point of seriously damaging their personality, before you can really control them.

      • Mad Scientist

        So they have learned something from religion after all.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      The irony is Ivy league schools bathe in ‘white privilege’ and who knows how many dancing skeletons fuck in those closets.

      They should be cancelled according to the narrative. Instead, they help manufacture the rage.

      Your friend is weak. He’s aimless. Dostoevsky wrote about all this craziness in some form or another in ‘Demons’.

    • Brochettaward

      I’m just going to say it. If this were a right wing autonomous zone everyone could be armed and it would be peaceful.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        At least until the Feds came in with tanks.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        Isn’t that how it went at that Wildlife Refuge a few years ago?

      • Chipwooder

        So far as I’m aware, yes. Don’t recall hearing anything about violence within Malheur during the Bundys’ occupation.

      • Pat

        Don’t recall hearing anything about violence within Malheur during the Bundys’ occupation.

        Not until the feds and local cops collabed on the LaVoy Finicum killing, anyway.

      • Pat

        If there were a right wing autonomous zone the feds would have machine gunned the women and children, bulldozed the grounds, and “lost” all of the forensic data.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      You know this stuff is not getting reported? My wife had no idea. I asked what the fuck does she read? Some news source through her work’s Twitter account.

      I stared at her in disbelief.

      My neighbour as well. No clue. The media is simply ignoring it.

  36. Juvenile Bluster

    Question:

    Anyone here know anything about the Medicare signup process? My mom’s turning 65 in October, which I know means her signup period starts in July. I also know my father, who’s been paying her health insurance as part of their divorce settlement, is going to cut her off on October 1st.

    Trying to get everything together for her to help her since she’s asked me to, but I have no clue where to start. Parts A and B, supplements, advantage, Part D… I’m lost.

    • Rhywun

      See if your state has a health care “marketplace”. There should be info/signup there.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Start with https://www.medicare.gov/sign-up-change-plans/get-started-with-medicare

      The important things are
      Sign up deadlines- penalty if enroll up too late (not applicable), may not be able to make annual changes until next year once enrolled
      Waiver deadlines (not applicable here)
      Part A (hospital)/Part B (medical insurance)/Part D (drugs) + Medigap private coverage vs Medicare Advantage all in one or most in one plans
      Make sure her doc will continue to see her under Medicare or find a new one soon. Depending on location, may have difficulty finding a doc that will accept new Medicare patients vs getting in now under private coverage and then continuing under Medicare
      As Rhywun suggests, look at state or county senior assistance orgs and see what help they offer

      Disclaimer: my wife is waived for B&D currently because she’s covered under my insurance, so haven’t had to wade into the details too far. She had to send back the opt out form that came with her card before her 65th birthday.

      • Gustave Lytton

        By not applicable for enrollment penalty, I mean you’re on top of it and getting it done by the deadline.

      • Gustave Lytton

        And the card came automatically because she was receiving SS already at that point.

  37. Brawndo

    Regarding Governor Whitless planning to prevent Trump from holding a rally in Michigan. All Trump needs to say is “Don’t worry, we won’t have the rally in a nursing home.”

    • Juvenile Bluster

      The difference between the nursing home death rates in New Jersey (12% of the nursing home population dead! 12%!), New York and Michigan (where the state mandated that the nursing homes readmit COVID patients) versus Florida (where you’d expect the death rates to be higher given how old our population is) is insane.

      (Also fun: Seeing the COVID spikes two weeks after the protests got big, along with reports that the average COVID patient now is younger than before, and seeing the press falling over themselves not to connect the spikes to the protests)

      • Chipwooder

        It was all just because people were out celebrating Memorial Day, dontcha know. Damned backyard barbeques!

      • BakedPenguin

        Don’t forget them religious fanatics – going to church and all.

      • R C Dean

        Nah. The Branch Covidians are attributing any increase to lifting the lockdowns. I know, because I work with some.

        No, I don’t engage.

  38. Juvenile Bluster

    I notice from Twitter that people have discovered a TV show that was on 25 years ago and are trying to cancel Jimmy Kimmel over it. No fan of his, mind you, but fuck cancel culture, especially for things we all knew about.

    (The Man Show was awesome, but I was a teenager when it was on)

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      It’s hard to feel sorry for Kimmel. He would be on the cancel train for anybody else.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        I know, but I have my damned principles, which means I like to be charitable towards others, even if they wouldn’t do so for me.

      • Swiss Servator

        Exactly – principles suck sometimes. But that doesn’t mean we cannot point out the hypocrisy.

      • leon

        RE the principles part. Principles only dictate that i don’t join in on the calls for his cancellation. If he was the only person being subject to this treatment, they might require a defense of him. But when there is so much of this going on, it’s hard to say “This we will defend”, when there are plenty of more sympathetic characters to defend who weren’t on the pro-cancel culture side. So yes. It’s a shame people are calling for him to be canceled. I also know that there is almost a 0% chance that it will work. He’ll get up and say sorry, and that will be it, because he’s part of the elect that are allowed to be redeemed. So rather than waste breath on a guy who neither needs nor deserves my pity, i think its still principled to say “You reap what you sow, don’t come asking for my help”

      • slumbrew

        he’s part of the elect that are allowed to be redeemed

        T.U.L.I.P.

      • R C Dean

        Pretty much. My principles include holding you to your principles. If you don’t like them when you have to live up to them, maybe you need new ones.

    • Chipwooder

      A few years ago, I would have agreed with you. Now? Fuck him up the ass with a rusty garden weasel. You choose to ride that tiger, then I’m not going to cry for you when it turns on you.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Exactly. They still came for him despite all his sickening TDS nonsense.

        And Kimmel clearly will be willing to take his struggle session.

        If he apologizes like the little coward he is, I’d be pissed if I were Corolla.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Considering how they have diverged, a Kimmel/Carolla reunion show of some sort might be interesting.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Carolla would eat Kimmel alive. Jimmy’s an idiot.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        And I would find that enjoyable.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        He would absolutely pummel Kimmel. Kimmel is a bot. Corolla thinks for himself.

      • Chipwooder

        I think I read somewhere recently that Carolla said he’s still friends with Kimmel but only because they don’t talk about politics.

      • slumbrew

        Carolla has a bit of the happy warrior about him (OK, rant-y warrior, but still); he still loves Jimmy even though their politics have diverged wildly. I don’t think he’d ever go after him in any serious fashion.slumb

        Along the same lines, this blurb on Carolla’s new book makes me think better of Patton Oswalt:

        “Adam and I agree on absolutely nothing but he’s a sharp, smart, funny guy to disagree with. And there’s a human heart under all the gruffness, snark, and melted cheese.”

        (but, jay-sus, can Patton be a dick)

    • PieInTheSky

      Some part of me wants lefties to get a taste of it, other part knows it is wrong either way.

  39. Rufus the Monocled

    Alright. Canada had four deaths yesterday. I wonder how many were actually 100% due to Covid. Let’s be generous and say it was two.

    Yet, the other day a close friend of mine was whining about how his company was giving the impression they only cared about sales and giving the impression they didn’t take the health of the employees/sales team seriously. I asked how and he told me because they wanted them to go back on the road without PPEs. I had to bite my tongue and just nod my head in silence listening to this. These people didn’t lose a single day’s pay and here they are….still fucking complaining. They act like they care about the damn world but in the end they just keep exhibiting the same self-centred, self-entitled behaviors. You would bloody think they’d just count their blessings and get back to fucken work. Maybe even discount in the back of your mind millions don’t have that damn luxury anymore thanks to a lockdown NOT backed by hard science and data YOU supported.

    it infuriates me at this point. ‘We’re in this together’ has no meaning to me if we can’t even share a single value in common anymore.

    As if that’s not enough, now there’s a rumor the government is flirting with some on-line schooling for 15 year-olds and older, my wife and I thought it was ridiculously absurd. She from a pure education standpoint as a teacher and me from a philosophical and science aspect. So for the heck of it, we asked them what they thought and their response was: Yes, not what we prefer but we’re ready and prepared for it. They’re always *ready* to toe the line like good corporate citizens because SECOND WAVE COVID-19 – makes monster growl.

    We love them dearly. A better class of people you can’t get. But man….this pandemic showed me stuff I’d prefer to not have heard or seen.

    So annoyed.

    • PieInTheSky

      Buy a new car. It will make you feel better.

      • Nephilium

        An ad came on Pandora yesterday, the car dealerships here are now offering 84 month 0% interest loans, with no payments until next year. What could possibly go wrong?

      • UnCivilServant

        I don’t quite have enough cash on hand to pay off my car loan… but eveyr time I think about it another part of my mind goes – it’s 0%, there’s no interest benefit to paying that off faster.

        I’m torn between my inclination to burn off debt as fast as possible and the knowledge that doing so won’t provide the benefit I normally glean.

      • Mojeaux

        I hear you. That thing on the to-do list begging to be crossed off is a powerful temptation.

      • UnCivilServant

        I have other voices that say “I could use it over there” and “I saved this specifically to take my dad on a road trip” or “what about in case of emergency”.

        So the status quo of having it in the bank continues.

      • PieInTheSky

        0% interest actual interest, because in Romania there are yearly fees separate from interest and 0% interest becomes around over 5% sometimes up to 9

      • UnCivilServant

        Here they bake the profit into the list price when they go 0%, because people get up in arms about added fees on the back end.

        It probably costs the same over the life of the loan for the average customer.

      • R C Dean

        You are correct, sir.

        The perverse incentive that now nobody will pay off early and thus put more cash in their pockets faster apparently doesn’t bother them.

      • PieInTheSky

        Anyway buy two new cars.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        I have to buy a new house I can’t afford.

    • The Last American Hero

      That’s like 10% of the people in Manitoba.

    • Rebel Scum

      they only cared about sales and giving the impression they didn’t take the health of the employees/sales team seriously.

      If they don’t take sales seriously then they don’t value the employees who only have jobs as long as the company survives. Had this discussion with my department head when we initially discussed how things would work during the corona panicdemic. Basically said the obvious, protect the company to protect ourselves and our livelihood. I’d rather take minor risks and maintain my income.

  40. Pope Jimbo

    Uffda. I missed this bit about the Twinkies removing the statue of Calvin Griffith for being a racist.

    The Twins say that while they acknowledge the role he played in the organization’s history, they can’t remain silent on racist comments he made in Waseca in 1978. During a speech at a Lion’s Club dinner, a reporter heard him say that he brought the team to Minnesota because there were few black people here.

    Doesn’t matter that – my favorite Twin as a kid – Rod Carew says that Griffith wasn’t a racist. Too bad. Statue has to go because the mob doesn’t do nuance.

    The only good news is that the #MeToo movement wasn’t a violent mob or they would have taken down Kirby’s statue.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      I went cold turkey with sports. I don’t even read Sloopy’s recaps because FUCK THEM.

      • egould310

        Just had this convo with my wife over the weekend. I don’t think I can tune in to the NFL or college football this year. The ads, social signalling, moments of silence, etc. I don’t think I can do it.

        Way to go dickholes, you killed sports.

      • leon

        No. They want it to be something you can’t enjoy. No aspect of your life should be free from the reminder of their cultural dominance. The mean to rule you and they mean for dissenters to have no place of respite.

      • juris imprudent

        That drive for dominance – that is going to invoke a backlash they aren’t going to like.

      • R C Dean

        Is it? I feel like I’m stuck in a real life Waiting for Godot, here.

        As far as the NFL goes, Mrs. Dean is saying she’s getting not interested in watching. Mind you, she has a framed Packers stock certificate on the wall. I’m OK with saving the stupid amounts of money it costs to get the NFL Ticket so we can watch the teams we want to watch.

        College football, we’ll see, I suppose.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Reminds me of the time when doctors were demanding soccer players wear helmets because of concussions.

        Doctors are the new scourge. They want us to eliminate trade-offs and risk’rewards which often lead to pleasure to submit to every possible precautionary principle take to an extreme.

        They’re killing our fun.

    • Chipwooder

      And good on Carew for saying so. So very few people are willing to speak out against the mob.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        We’re opening so many of Pandora’s Boxes, it’s gonna explode. It’s complete utter madness to go back in time like this. This is a purge. The only sane play here is: The past is the past, let’s just move forward. I don’t get it.

        Know what happens when you don’t let sleeping dogs lie?

      • R C Dean

        They give you a grumpy look and lay down somewhere else?

      • Pope Jimbo

        I’m sure they will soon be canceling Carew because he’s Panamanian and thus not a “real” black. He isn’t qualified to determine if Griffith was white or not, because he didn’t have to grow up under the systemic racism of America.

      • Chipwooder

        Oh, that’s true. I remember getting in a big argument on r/baseball long ago with a guy who got very, very angry when I challenged his statement that MLB doesn’t have many black players any more, screeching at me that black Latino players aren’t really black.

    • PieInTheSky

      As I said before, take down all statues and replace them with statues of anime girls.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        I’m ok with this.

      • Sensei

        Actually so am I.

      • Not Adahn

        Maybe we could combine this with some other ideas and have statues of Anime Dolly Parton?

      • Swiss Servator

        You…you might have something there.

    • Viking1865

      “a reporter heard him say that he brought the team to Minnesota because there were few black people here.”

      Wonder where that reporter lived?

    • Juvenile Bluster

      It’s really gone too far. I’m fine with, say, the Redskins stopping honoring George Preston Marshall, who actually was a racist piece of shit and refused to integrate the team until RFK forced him to do it.

      But of course, people take that inch and go a mile, and unperson somebody because somebody might have heard a statement 40 years ago that might have been racist.

      • Chipwooder

        Exactly. Marshall explicitly tried to keep blacks out of the NFL and, when that ended, off of his team. Completely different situation.

  41. Rebel Scum

    Minnesota sees no rise in COVID-19 cases tied to protests: Health official

    Even Covid thinks black lives matter.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Maybe the covid viruses are all worried about being hit by stray gun fire now that our “Defund the Police” program has started a mini-war in certain districts?

  42. zwak

    Selma Blair is my spirit animal. We share a disease.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      You’re both flat-chested?

      • Pat

        Say what you want, but no man who was between the ages of 13 and 17 when Cruel Intentions was released will ever forget that scene with her and SMG.

      • zwak

        MS.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        I’m sorry to hear that. I have a friend who came down with it suddenly last year. Do you take anything for it?

        Other people with MS: David Lander (Squiggy), Neil Cavuto, Jack Osbourne, Teri Garr.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I figured, I was just giving you some shit.

        Because I love you man.

    • Not Adahn

      Ummm… if Mary was painted as white, it NEEDED to be destroyed

      /Talcum X

      • Juvenile Bluster

        Why in the fuck does ANYONE listen to him? He’s one of the worst grifters on the internet.

        Maybe the left and right can trade. He goes away and Candace Owens goes away and everyone is a lot happier.

  43. RAHeinlein

    Regarding the nursing home readmission orders – wasn’t AARP pushing legislation related to forced nursing home readmissions post-hospitalization? I seem to recall some ads from past campaign seasons. I’d love this to come back to that wretched organization.

  44. PieInTheSky

    Aida Overton Walker (1880 -1914), US vaudeville performer who challenged problematic narratives of black performers. Known as ‘Queen of the Cake Walk’, after a 1900s dance craze. The Cake Walk, originally performed by enslaved people, mocked slave owners & high society

    https://twitter.com/womensart1/status/1275321621516103680

    thicc?

    • Rufus the Monocled

      I may incorporate that into my boardroom pep talk.

      Thanks!

    • Pat

      She looks a bit like Whitney Houston. Or else maybe I’m just racist and think all black wamen look alike.

      • BakedPenguin

        Well then, it’s not just you on the board, because I saw the resemblance, too. Only she looks better than Houston IMO.

      • Mojeaux

        Or else maybe I’m just racist and think all black wamen look alike.

        I think everybody looks alike. I don’t remember faces very well. 15 years and I wouldn’t be able to pick my neighbors out of a lineup.

    • Not Adahn

      When I was a wee chile, my elementary school had cake walks.

  45. PieInTheSky

    So some Romanian official just got indicted for a million dollar bribe to buy overpriced PPE in the coronapanic. I find it amusing that they could not help themselves even in such a publicized panic situation. I remember a time when a border guard got caught during a time it was generally klnown bribes at border crossings were investigated, and the guy said he knew but could not help himself, cannot let a large semi full of merchandise pass thorough his post without getting some.

    More tragicomic is the fact that people here are still all in government healthcare, even though they could not pass a million bribe in “”the worse pandemic in hoe many years

    • Juvenile Bluster

      Fuck Roger Waters with a razor-wire covered baseball bat. Antisemitic piece of shit.

    • kbolino

      I’m pretty sure the IDF has much more effective ways of killing people than sitting on their necks for a prolonged period of time.

      • Not Adahn

        And you can get them cheap on surplus!

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Waters is a piece of shit.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        I think worse than that even.

        A broken man inside.

  46. Juvenile Bluster

    15 years ago today, the Supreme Court decided the case of Kelo vs. City of New London.

    Susette Kelo’s house was bulldozed. The development was never built. The land remains empty.

    • PieInTheSky

      But the public good was served

      • juris imprudent

        Stevens should be buried there.

    • leon

      Legalized Theft and graft. Leftist hero Ginsberg sided with that.

      • The Last American Hero

        Yep. In a just world RGB dies on the streets (Kelo) and in great pain (Raich).

    • Viking1865

      That’s a bottom five SC case for me, still. I don’t know a single person, even the most ardent State worshipers, who thought that was decided correctly.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        I think that might be my next article. Worst SCOTUS cases. I’ll keep it to the last 100 years. Kelo will definitely be on the list.

      • Viking1865

        Korematsu is particularly egregious to me because it was argued in late 1944. It was abundantly clear at that time that the US would be winning the war.

        The order of internment came in February of 42, in the middle of the Japanese triumphs. MacArthur was preparing to evacuate the Philippines, the Navy was sunk in the mud of Pearl Harbor. It was a time where people genuinely thought Hawaii would fall.

        But by the time the case worked its way to the SCOTUS, things were very different, and the SC was thoroughly packed with FDR’s creatures. He could have quite easily made it known that the situation had changed and it was time to crawl down off the internment ledge.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        Korematsu is a second. My other 3 are probably not as well known but still infuriating.

      • leon

        If it is going for egregious reasons for deciding one way or another, I think Sebelious and Roberts “Saving Construction” was just awful.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        In no particular order:

        Dole
        Korematsu
        Wickard
        Kelo
        Buck

        I’d put Roe on the list, but that’s controversial.

        Too many dishonorable mentions to list.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        If I go to 10, Roe would be on the list. Not because of abortion (I’m actually in favor of legal abortion, at least back when the saying was “safe, legal and rare”), but because it’s a terrible decision and an obvious example of justices twisting the law to get to the decision they want.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        Actually, I’ll probably go to 10. I could go to 50, even keeping it to the last 100 years, but 10 gives me a good number. Some y’all have heard of, some you probably haven’t.

      • Raven Nation

        Some years ago I read that FDR wanted to keep the Japanese interned through late ’44 because he was afraid releasing them would cost him CA in the election.

      • Raven Nation

        JB: late I know, but thanks for the article on the police & the duty to (not) protect.

        I had no clue about some of those cases. Terrifying.

  47. Rebel Scum

    The ‘plantations’ portion has come under increased scrutiny following widespread protests after the killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor.

    I suppose plantations themselves will be next on the chopping block.

    • Juvenile Bluster

      Fun fact: Rhode Island had slavery in colonial times. Providence Plantations was abolitionist.

      • UnCivilServant

        History doesn’t matter to this destructionists.

      • leon

        But see that took a whole sentence to explain that just because it was a plantation, it didn’t have slavery on the plantation part. Now people can’t be expected to understand that

      • Hyperion

        More fun facts, woke Murland was a full on slave state and wanted to join the South. But they surrounded Balmer and cut off the port from the south so that DC wouldn’t be surrounded by VA and MD both having joined the south. So MD was actually neutral during the war, even though the citizenry were pro-south.

        There’s one really awesome plantation not far from where I live. I’ve visited twice now. They give a really good tour. The place has an ice house which is just this really deep hole dug out surrounded by a circular stone building. It’s actually chilly when you walk in there in the middle of the summer. I guess they could store ice all summer in there.

        No matter how wrong the slave owners were, we preserve history for a reason. Or, I mean, we used to while we were still an enlightened and civilized society. Now that all that lurnin stuff is over, we don’t need any of that.

      • kbolino

        Next up: we have to get rid of all the Civil War battlefields, because even though the war brought about the end of slavery, there was a side in the war that was pro-slavery, and white people shouldn’t get to have picnics on the backs of the suffering of yadda yadda.

      • UnCivilServant

        People have been picnicking on Civil War Battlefields Since Bull Run.

      • Rebel Scum

        Balmer and cut off the port from the south so that DC wouldn’t be surrounded by VA and MD

        And the Lincoln admin imprisoned the legislature before they could vote on the matter.

  48. Hyperion

    “I guess the shootings were enough to get Seattle officials off their asses.”

    Summer of Love has been cancelled, baby! After 1 day! What a party pooper Karen mayor is.

  49. Pope Jimbo

    Need a ruling from the Glibs on this story about a pioneering #MeToo Somali gal.

    A Somali woman has come forward and said she was sexually assaulted four years ago. The guy she has accused vehemently denies the charge. Reading the story I can’t decide if she really was assaulted and this is a good story about trying to stop shitty customs from the old country, or if this is a story about her successfully assimilating to our American ways and is accusing a guy of rape for her 15 minutes of fame.

    I sort of think she did get raped, but I’d like to see more evidence first.

    • Viking1865

      “”This is also a moment for men to hold each other accountable,” she added.”

      Does she think that men come out of rooms after raping women and go high five their buddies and say “OH she didn’t want that shit, but I fucking took it. Yeah, I raped her good!” and then all their buddies go “Hell yeah brother!!! PATRIARCHY FUCK YEAH your rape is an inspiration.”

      • Pope Jimbo

        I think that to be legally in the clear, you have to explicitly attribute your quote to Kavanaugh. Isn’t that exactly what he was alleged to have done?

      • leon

        contra “we have a rapist on the supreme court”, he was never accused of rape. The only accusation that even put him in the same location as a rape was so easily recognizable as false that it had Michael Avennati defending it.

    • PieInTheSky

      Unfortunately sexual assault is a very difficult crime, especially after some years. Most I would say are tough to impossible to p;rove beyond reasonable doubt and I do not have a solution for it. Believe women is not it.

    • Pat

      I sort of think she did get raped, but I’d like to see more evidence first.

      If only there were some process by which facts could be brought forward and evaluated…

    • Not Adahn

      I have a strict policy of having no opinion on these things as they don’t involve me or mine.

      • robc

        Unless I am on the jury, then it involves me again.

        Note: the one jury I was on didn’t have a rape charge involved. The first time he was tried, there was one and he was found guilty. The case was so bad, when the state supreme court threw out his convictions and he was retried, that charge wasn’t even allowed to be retried, so we never heard the evidence on it. With what we did hear, and what I read after, how the original jury found him guilty of it is beyond me.

        The defendant was originally found guilty on 2 of 3 felony charges. On the third, they found not guilty, but guilty of an underlying misdemeanor assualt charge. The rape charge was thrown out, as I mentioned, so we only had one felony charge. We found not guilty on it (witness tampering), but guilty of underlying misdemeanor charge of violating a restraining order and also found guilty on the misdemeanor assault charge.

      • Rhywun

        I have a strict policy of having no opinion on these things as they don’t involve me or mine.

        ^^^^
        this

      • leon

        Yup. As i said yesterday. I treat most of the country as a foreign nation. If i don’t give a shit about the laws in Honduras, i typically don’t care about the laws in Maine.

        My only caveat is the shitholes closest :cough:california:cough: to me, as i’m in the path for fleeing refugees.

  50. Pat

    30 Rock: Tina Fey apologises as blackface episodes are withdrawn

    Four episodes of the US hit series in which characters appear in blackface are to be taken down, at the request of creators Tina Fey and Robert Carlock.

    In a note seen by Vulture and Variety, Fey wrote that the episodes are “best taken out of circulation” and apologised “for pain they have caused”.

    The episodes will be removed from streaming services Amazon Prime and Hulu, as well as purchase platforms.

    • Chipwooder

      It’s remarkable how many TV/movie people who are dutifully leftist have these blackface episodes in their history. Imagine that.

      • The Last American Hero

        But I was told the parties switched!!!!!

      • UnCivilServant

        You’re going to find out that you’ve been lied to – a lot.

    • Rhywun

      Again, reason #1 I refuse to “stream”.

  51. RAHeinlein

    Cuomo is now blaming the Federal Government for NY’s high deaths – including nursing homes – because they didn’t “tell us the virus was coming from Europe”

    IIRC, Italy was named a hot-spot very early on and Trump stopped Europe travel in March amid protestations.

    • PieInTheSky

      “tell us the virus was coming from Europe” – the virus everywhere was worse on the elderly. Sending the sick to nursing homes was a shit idea either way.

      • kbolino

        In fact, Europe is why they sent everybody back to the nursing homes. Northern Italy’s hopsitals were (allegedly) overwhelmed and keeping people out of hospitals was what Cuomo was focused on at the time. This doesn’t even pass the smell test.

    • kbolino

      This is like Kevin Spacey trying to deflect blame from being a pedophile by coming out; not only does it not address the problem at hand, it makes you look worse.

    • littleruttiger

      I’m at the point where I wash my hands of these places that keep electing these people.
      The Seattle mayor did nothing to stop that Chaz/Chop place from forming, there’s been two or three shootings in there the past couple days, they stopped police/ambulance trying to get to the victims. Yesterday, she held a press conference saying it was going to be removed, but peacefully, she was going to have meetings with the leaders, etc. How on earth anyone could ever vote for her again, I have no idea, but – it’s Seattle.

      • prolefeed

        I’m thinking she’s not gonna sweet talk them into voluntarily stopping trespassing. Violently resisted arrests is my guess how it ends.

      • The Last American Hero

        We.have.a.Lenin.statue.

        Sawant was not elected ironically.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Little Che wannabe that she is.

    • juris imprudent

      Poor Andy – suddenly not as smart as DeSantis. That’s got to really sting.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      She should really get that spot checked.

  52. Nephilium

    In current COVID entertainment. The strip clubs around me have started to open up again. There’s a part of me that wants to see what a socially distanced strip club looks like. Will the staff be wearing masks?

    • Hyperion

      Titties with masks.

    • EvilSheldon

      Latex is good for more than just gloves…

    • Pat

      There’s a part of me that wants to see what a socially distanced strip club looks like.

      Wonder no more

  53. Hyperion

    This place is now officially my only source for news. I couldn’t take it any more. It’s like listening to one long screeching sound all day long. If there are links or posts, I’ll check them out, if not, I’ll skip the entire ‘news’ horseshit for the day. I’m tired of the 24/7 lefty propaganda spin, I need a long rest.

    • Viking1865

      The “news” piece that came up on the homepage of Internet Explorer had an “Analysis:Trump obsessed with proving his physical, mental health.”

      Didn’t click, but I’m guessing it’s all about how Trump attacking Biden for being senile and frail ACKSHUALLY shows his own fragility.

  54. Rebel Scum

    Hoisted by his own retard.

    Jimmy Kimmel, who urged actor Tom Arnold to release an alleged “N-word” tape of President Trump in 2018, admitted years ago that he imitated rapper Snoop Dogg’s voice for a track in a 1996 Christmas album — an original song in which Kimmel used the “N-word” several times.

    The admission came in a January 2013 podcast obtained this weekend by Fox News. In the podcast, Kimmel also changed his speech pattern in an attempt to adopt the voice of black comedian George Wallace, in what host Adam Carolla called Kimmel’s “crazy black voice.” Kimmel acknowledged imitating black people on other occasions as well.

    Kimmel, who is slated to host the Emmy Awards this year, announced last week that he’s taking the summer off amid a brewing blackface controversy; he has not issued an apology.

    Can’t wait to see him tear up about this one.

    • Pat

      Can’t wait to see him tear up about this one.

      I hope he goes the Jimmy Swaggart route.

  55. PieInTheSky

    ego death. before we can dismantle oppressive systems we have to eradicate the ways in which they’ve manifested in us

    if you kill the white supremacist in your head you inevitably kill the capitalist, the sexist, the racist, the transphobia, the individualism

    you trade i for we

    https://twitter.com/noname/status/1275067838403772416

    • Pat

      We can kiss my ass.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Who would have thought it was New Age political theories that would doom us?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      None of these morons ever mention the words “voluntary” and “involuntary”.

      Collectivism absolutely requires “involuntary” in order to function.

      • robc

        That is not true. Some communes can work voluntarily.

      • robc

        I meant to include the word small in there. Dunbar’s number and under.

    • leon

      Taichi Pantaloons
      @veidtlemania
      ·
      Jun 22
      Replying to
      @noname
      Collectivism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Individualism

      Brett Donahue
      @brettdonahue2
      ·
      Jun 22
      I feel like this is the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives

      Assimilate!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        At one time, the liberals were the individualists.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        If you want collectivism, go to Africa and join a tribe. I’ll be waiting for your review of that experience.

      • Mojeaux

        0/10 would not join again

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I told you not to go Tutsi.

    • Tejicano

      It’s like they never even heard of the Borg – or – they orgasmed to the idea of an actual Borg world.

  56. RAHeinlein

    Robert Johnson (BET founder) is on Squawk again – a couple weeks ago he was calling for reparations, now he wants a separate, independent “Black Lives Matter” political party (although he is still old-school and says “African American”) to take advantage of the Black voting block.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Said that a week ago…the goal is to gain political power

    • BakedPenguin

      Okay – I’ll pay you one million dollars for every slave I’ve ever owned. They don’t even have to be black.

    • R C Dean

      he wants a separate, independent “Black Lives Matter” political party

      Too late. The left wing of the Dem Party already owns BLM.

      Its not that easy to get off the plantation, Bob.

  57. Rufus the Monocled

    Texas governor isn’t ruling out another lockdown? Wtf? By now the only play here is to get to the antibodies. Do the social distancing/masks thing. No lockdowns.

  58. leon

    I see “I HAVE A BLACK HUSBAND” is trending on twitter…. I daren’t even see what that is about.

      • leon

        It all started when I complained to a good friend of mine on the left about how sick and tired I am of being called a white supremacist simply because I’m a conservative.

        This is why conservatives of this strain loose. They think that their enemies are playing honestly. They don’t fucking care that you aren’t a white supremacist, they are going to call you one anyway. I got over it after being called one for opposing the war in Syria.

        As for “Saying your not racist because you had a Black boyfriend, actually makes you racist” is among the stupidest things the “Anti-racists” say. It’s pure soviet inquisition trap. We get to accuse you of something, and any defense you make of yourself just proves that we are right, even the ones that facially make sense.

      • cyto

        I have personally experienced this. Back in the late 80s I work in the lab doing medical tests. The lady who ran the lab was black. Most of the senior techs were black. They were fairly open about their disdain for white people. They would screw with your schedule, and loudly talk negatively about various white techs.

        When it came time for my first review, the shift manager who was also black looked over my results. It was the first time she had never looked at them. It was clear that her impression was that I was terrible and that the results were going to prove how terrible I was. When she started reading the results the first thing she noticed was that I did more than twice as many tests as anyone else. I worked third shift, often alone. I had to invent new techniques to handle large volumes of samples because they do not last long enough to retest the next day using the same less expensive method.

        She was clearly disappointed, and looked to my retest rate. This was the measure of how well you run the test. It was actually a proxy for a how old the samples were by the time you got them, but they used it as a bludgeon anyway. She noted that my retest rate was actually surprisingly good, in the upper third of the lab. Again this surprise her but she marked it down as a negative. Now, remember, third shift. Therefore the samples had been sitting around for at least 8 hours longer than anyone elses.

        Now, this wasn’t my full-time job. This was going to be my job for just a few months before going off to grad school. So it wasn’t really that important. It wasn’t like this was where I was going to make my living for the rest of my life. It was just nine months. But it still pissed me off. So I took it to the chief technician, her boss.

        She surprised me by immediately taking a racial tone with me. Apparently college guys cycle through that lab reasonably frequently. And they tended to be white. So this kind of stuck in her craw. These young white guys come in, working their world for a few months, and then leave.

        She started accusing me of being a racist. Now, as many of you know this is kind of ridiculous. By that point my ex wife and I had been together for 4 years oh, and it would be really difficult for me to have been much of a racist at that point. I mean, the wife would not have put up with that.

        Of course, the manager had no idea who my wife was. The job was 40 minutes away from where I lived. And it was not my life, it was just a summer job until my fellowship began. So the ex-wife only came over there a couple of times to meet me for lunch.

        Being a naive 21 year old kid, I thought that rebuffing her by explaining that I am certainly no racist and using that as evidence would cause her to re-evaluate her own attitudes. Yeah, that was dumb. I nearly got fired over questioning being called a racist.

        I was only there for another month or so, so it didn’t really make any difference. But it does color my view of all of these complaints of pervasive racism. In 15 years with my ex-wife, there was never a single incidence even a cross-eyed look from any white person. Incidents like this were not common either, but they did happen. And of course, random black dudes out in public yelled stuff at us all the time.

        I’m not terribly resentful about it. None of it really alters my life in any way. But it does mean that I cast a bit of a skeptical eye on these sorts of claims. Because they just do not jibe with my personal lived experience.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        That was black employees protecting each other’s’ jobs. Exactly what white employees would do to a black person in times past.

        I’ve encountered it before in construction. Nineteen year old me was straight up told that I worked too fast by black coworkers. That I needed to slow down because it made others look bad. It was presented to me in the nicest way possible.

      • UnCivilServant

        “I’m not the one making ya’ll look bad.”

      • cyto

        I was told that on the second day on that job. Not by the black lady though. By the old white lady who was training me.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Union mentality

      • slumbrew

        That happens regardless of race – per my buddy from Detroit, it was a common complaint by union guys.

      • Mojeaux

        I had that happen on 2 jobs, not a black employee in sight. Rednecks who thought I talked too purty and caught on too quick.

      • DEG

        I got a talk like that. All whites. Union. I wasn’t part of the union since I was part-time and part-timers weren’t allowed in the union.

      • Rufus the Monocled

        Make an unfalsifiable claim. Win. That’s their calculus.

        Evil but damn effective.

  59. Mojeaux

    Juggling people who want to buy your Thing is a delicate balance.

  60. Ownbestenemy

    No rise in the VID from protesters but 6 seconds after the Donald started speaking they reported multiple VIDs in Tulsa crowd or campaign team….#Science!

  61. DEG

    Gauleiterin Whitmer goes after hairstylists that dared defy her

    A handful of Michigan hairstylists claim the state of Michigan is coming after their cosmetology licenses for their role in a protest of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s executive orders that closed many businesses during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Angela Rigas said her way of earning a livelihood is under attack because she stood up for her First Amendment rights and offered free haircuts during Operation Haircut, a May 20 rally in front of the Michigan State Capitol in Lansing.

    “She’s making an example out of us of what happens when you don’t comply with her unlawful orders,” Rigas said Monday, June 22, during a press conference on the Capitol lawn.

    “She can’t take my license. She can try, but we’re going to fight it.”

    Attorney David Kallman is representing six of the seven women who were issued $500 citations by Michigan State Police troopers during the May 20 protest. A spokesperson for MSP said warnings were given first before the citations were handed out for “disorderly conduct.”

    Kallman said his clients have all received a notice from the state’s Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs (LARA) that it is taking steps toward revoking their licenses.

    • Pat

      Thank Christ for occupational licensing keeping us save from these madcap hair dressers.

    • Rhywun

      Hey, at least she didn’t kill thousands of nursing home residents.

      • R C Dean

        Ima say, sarcasm.

  62. Sean

    So, there’s gonna be another round of government bailouts and stimulus checks getting sent.

    *facepalm*

    “How can we be out of money, we still have checks?”

    • Chipwooder

      Trump’s gonna make voters an offer they can’t refuse!

    • Cy

      It’s an election year. One thing both parties never have trouble on agreeing is a bit of ‘stimulus!’ The only thing they fight over is who gets the lion’s share.

    • LJW

      Please tell me it’s a membership to the jelly of the month club!

      • Tres Cool

        “Clark, that’s the gift that keeps on giving the whole year.”

  63. DEG

    Ruling expected this week in suit between PA legislature and Gauleiter Wolf

    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court could rule this week on whether Republican legislators can end Gov. Tom Wolf’s pandemic emergency declaration.

    If the court rules for the GOP, both Wolf and Republican legislators say that evictions and utility shutoffs will resume and the governor’s ability to suspend regulations to manage the crisis will be curtailed. But Wolf says his business shutdown orders and phased reopening plan will remain because they rest, in part, under the authority of the Secretary of Health to contain and control disease. Republicans, though, say that authority is limited, and believe business closure orders would end.

    Near the end of the article is some discussion about whether or not the emergency legislation is constitutional and if it is severable.

  64. Chipwooder

    bahahahaha…Warren Wilhelm springs into action!!

    Caroline Haskins
    @carolineha_
    · 29m
    Oh man. De Blasio just announced that he’s forming a fireworks task force including over 40 law enforcement officers, including 12 FDNY officers, to respond to illegal fireworks. It’ll involve “undercover buys” & “sting operations.”

    • leon

      I didn’t know that (((They))) were into the fireworks business.

      I mean that’s the only reason i can see why De Blasio want’s to crack down on it.

      • Chipwooder

        The New York Times’ Pulitzer Prize winner has assured me that it’s some kind of government black op. Because she’s such a brilliant Pulitzer Prize winner and all.

    • Rhywun

      The fireworks ARE getting pretty ridiculous. But I’d rather they crack down on the ricers and their stupid fucking mufflers first.

  65. Hyperion

    “Trump to Sign Order Suspending Many Foreign Work Visas, Officials Say”

    From the looks of things on the ground here in the good ole USA right now, he might be doing them a favor by getting them to go home.

    Not sure what effect that will have. All of my clients for at least the past 5-10 years, already had the policy of not hiring H-1B visa applicants. Maybe that’s just my own experience, could just be my own ultra woke clients who are so racist against poor furen workers. But I’m sure all of them will scream that bad orange man is racist over this, even though they already will not hire any of those people, by choice, which is totally not racist of course.

    • Drake

      My old employer had floors of.the Indian indentured servants. Not sure if the talent isn’t avalible here, too expensive, or they just liked the ability to dump them without compensation whenever they felt like it.

    • Not Adahn

      he might be doing them a favor by getting them to go home.

      But they’ll spread COVID-19 to those countries! TRUMP WANTS BROWN PEOPLE TO DIEEEE!!!!

    • leon

      Someone knowledgable on H1B visas can tell me, i might look it up. But Does the law give him the authority to just blanket end this shit? Otherwise this seems like reverse DACA to me.

      • Hyperion

        The law these days seems to be whatever the POTUS or SCOTUS thinks up on the fly. Congress nowhere to be seen for comment.

      • cyto

        Under the language of the DACA decision, there is no chance in hell he could cancel H-1B visas.

        The logic of the DACA decision was that even though DACA was illegally enacted, it created an expectation among the recipients that they relied on and made decisions based upon.

        The only Nuance would be that in the case of DACA they were required to register with their names, fingerprints, photographs Etc. So this created Jeopardy of deportation. Relying upon promises made by the government, they provided this information.

        But I still think it is a pretty close parallel under the decision. These people moved to the United States and started lives here under the promise of their H-1B visa. I don’t think you can just claim you were kidding and send them home.

      • R C Dean

        Is Trump terminating existing visas, or suspending the issuance of new ones?

        Not that it matters. He’s not in charge of much of anything. We have Hawaiian District Court judges for that.

  66. Pat

    Sarah Huckabee Sanders: John Bolton was ‘drunk on power’ at the White House

    In her book, “Speaking For Myself,” the former press secretary recounts how an “arrogant and selfish” Bolton refused to travel with other staff on the London trip, leading to a fiery exchange with then-acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney.

    “Bolton apparently felt too important to travel with the rest of us,” she writes. “As we were ready to depart for the Winfield House we loaded onto a small black bus,” she continued, referring to the US ambassador’s residence in London.

    “We waited and watched as Bolton sped by and left us in the dust. The discussion on the bus quickly moved … to how arrogant and selfish Bolton could be, not just in this moment but on a regular basis,” she continues.

    “When we finally arrived at the Winfield House, Mick Mulvaney, typically laid-back and not one to get caught up in titles or seniority, confronted Bolton and unleashed a full Irish explosion on him,” Sanders writes.

    “Let’s face it, John, you’re a f—ing self-righteous, self-centered son of a bitch!’” said Mulvaney, who is now the US special envoy to Northern Ireland, according to Sanders.

    I want to believe.

    • Chipwooder

      I’m willing to believe the worst about everyone in the story, on all sides.

    • Raven Nation

      Man, the narrative is always powerful. I was listening to something on the radio the other day (Rush maybe?) who was trashing Bolton as a quintessential swamp creature. I’m pretty sure about 6-8 years ago, Bolton was being praised by the right for his stance on national defense (and vice versa for the left).

      • Mojeaux

        IIRC Rush was a Bolton fanboi once upon a time.

      • Chipwooder

        Pretty much all Republicans were during the Bush Administration.

      • Viking1865

        The American right, as a whole, has soured on the neocon project. That’s one of the reasons Donald Trump won the primary. America First is not just about trade.

        The Republican base is mostly Jacksonian, some are Jeffersonian, yet the Republican Party leadership since the the Ike vs Taft struggle has been Wilsonian in their foreign policy.

      • cyto

        Hey, you can’t pass around billions upon billions in defense contracts if you don’t have somebody to shoot those weapons at.

      • Viking1865

        The Republican base supported the Cold War because they saw the USSR as an existential threat. They were sold the GWOT on the premise that it would be Jacksonian war: a ruthless application of force toward the enemies strategic center until victory was achieved. Instead they got Colin Powell saying “you break it you bought it.” and an endless search for smiling faces of villagers.

        The four main camps of American foreign policy are Jacksonian, Jeffersonian, Madisonian, Wilsonian. The people who actually run the foreign policy of the US are Wilsonians almost entirely, and the American people tend to be Jacksonians in the main.

      • BakedPenguin

        RN: so the Blues/Demons match went about as expected. I just wish I was able to bet on it b/c I thought that spread was a bit large.

      • Raven Nation

        Aarggh, one point loss. But, the Blues went down and won at Geelong last weekend so that’s something.

    • leon

      “Let’s face it, John, you’re a f—ing self-righteous, self-centered son of a bitch!’

      Tell me something we didn’t know.

    • Hyperion

      Bolton was sure Trump was gonna let him bomb the fuck of of sheep herders in bumfuckistan. When it didn’t happen, he threw a tantrum.

      Which makes me keep going back to the thing I most dislike about Trump. First the garden gnome, then the Stache o’War, then Deputy Dawg Barr. He doesn’t seem to learn on this.

      • Suthenboy

        Not to disagree on any of those but…..who? Who would you appoint? I dare. you to find a good one.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        That’s the thing. He appointed his people, and they wilted under the microscope that is DC. He appointed swamp creatures, and it takes all of about 5 minutes for their swamp stench to stink up the oval office.

        As much as I think Trump has surrounded himself with shit heads, I can’t put myself in the same position and say that I’d do much better.

      • Suthenboy

        I have no doubt that you would but I bet my last dollar you would walk out after a week. It’s a fuckin’ nest of vipers. There are good people out there….and they dont want to have anything to do with the job.

    • Suthenboy

      What is his point?
      He wouldn’t talk about what we told him to talk about?
      Turns out that firing Bolton was a good move.

      • Juvenile Bluster

        Why do Republicans keep hiring Bolton? Everybody and their mother was screaming about how awful he was when Trump hired him.

      • leon

        That just boils down to what is arguable one of Trumps “worst” characteristics. Which is he always Hires the wrong people and listens to the wrong advisers. Almost like he wants to hire the wrong people and listen to the worst advisers.

      • Viking1865

        Trump is incredibly naive about foreign policy and national security. He thinks that those guys, especially the military guys, will actually follow their sworn word. That they will not undermine him and work at cross purposes, that they are genuinely apolitical people who will follow the CINC.

        He doesn’t do that with domestic policy as much. He knows that he needs a DeVos at Education, for example. But with foreign policy, he has a serious case of Tom Clancy syndrome where the FBI is gruff honest cops and the CIA is dedicated silent patriots, and the generals and admirals are all noble Cinncinattus types.

      • Chipwooder

        Trump is a blowhard. He likes fellow blowhards. I’m becoming convinced it’s not much more complicated than that.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Bolton is extremely knowledgeable and has decades of information in his mustachio’d head.

        Unfortunately, all that information comes with a really big war boner.

      • Don Escaped MLB

        We don’t disagree.

        I’d add: The war boner comes from a collection of notions, not the least of which are presumptions of moral and intellectual superiority. What is get-your-popcorn funny is a nation of populists mistaking a clinical narcissist for a capable and principled man, and then watching his feckless and hopeless machinations slam into each other like cars in a demolition derby. No two men ever deserved each other more than Bolton and Trump: two turds agglomerated, stuck together until one separates himself so that the other will fit down the flush hole.

        Of the two it must be noted that there was never anything especially wrong with Bolton’s feet in that cant-stop-a-bullet but Im-great-at-several-sports way.

      • leon

        Well said.

      • Hyperion

        “Everybody and their mother was screaming about how awful he was when Trump hired him.”

        Same with Sessions. Same with Barr. He doesn’t listen to anyone. Now his SCOTUS picks are looking very suspect, no surprise there. I’m starting to think when Trump picks someone actually good, it’s an accident.

      • Viking1865

        The Democratic swamp critters screeched racist at him, and turned him off. The Republican swamp critters sucked up to him, buttered him up, and have been able to do business as usual. The actual outsiders, the people who wanted to actually change things, for good or ill, were driven out of the administration early on. You can disagree with Steve Bannon, but Steve Bannon wanted to actually change things about the country. He was not business as usual.

        It’s the whole controlled opposition thing all over again. Imagine if, on SCOTUS for example, Trump had tried to ram through a Kagan a complete political hack who would do whatever legal nonsense it took to advance a rightwing agenda. It would have gone down in flames, with “principled Republicans” voting against him. No conservative is allowed to nominate an avvowed rightwing justice, they always have to flip the coin and see how “their” justices will “grow and evolve.”

      • cyto

        Among the many points of crazy that the era of TDS has brought out, that is one of the crazier, if more mundane. There have been several whistleblowers and leakers who seriously think that Trump not following their talking points is reason for removing him from Office.

        It really makes me question what happened during the Obama White House. Was that guy so often a puppet of Junior staffers?

      • Fatty Bolger

        Presidents are supposed to be easily manipulated and malleable, like Barry was. Now that was a President! Won the Nobel Peace Prize, then still did whatever we wanted whenever our war boners cried out for satisfaction.

    • Rufus the Monocled

      Bolton is certifiable and takes arrogance to another level.

    • IntraveneousWoodChipper

      You just wait, the cancel MLK train is about to leave the station. The Progs have already rejected the man’s faith and his peaceful protesting platform long ago.

      • Suthenboy

        We could sure use another MLK about right now.

      • UnCivilServant

        We had our chance with that, and blew it.

        Next we’ll see is either a Pinochet or a Lenin.

      • slumbrew

        … will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character is already Not OK!

      • cyto

        That’s not even a joke. They are literally hostile to the use of those words. I have seen many people claiming that using those words is racist in and of itself. Because it denies the history of racism.

        Dealing with these people is very much like dealing with the Queen of Hearts in Alice in Wonderland.

      • slumbrew

        Sadly, I wasn’t joking.

    • leon

      The Progressive Prince
      @CoronaUchiha
      ·
      Jun 22
      Replying to
      @Partisangirl
      Uiummmm no. Blacks and jewish people had some differences back then but I would argued there was more allyships than fights! MLK stays!

      ….. How thouroughly rotten is your brain when this is the argument you make for not canceling Martin Luther King.

      Also maybe she was just dissapointed because he wasn’t more like the OG Martin Luther.

      • Suthenboy

        Since the left is totally unprincipled they always go for principals. They dont understand that we dont celebrate MLK, we celebrate the ideals he stood for. I dare you to try and explain the concept of principles to them. They cant grasp the concept.
        Consider the ever moving goal posts, the rank hypocrisy, jaw-dropping cognitive dissonance, and wild inconsistency. Those occur because collectivism, socialism, communism….whatever label you want to hang on it….is not an ideology or set of principles. It is simply a strategy for gaining power and power is an end in itself.

        In the end, if you want your liberty, there is only one way to deal with them.

      • Hyperion

        The goal of the left is as always, tear down Western civilization and then figure out what exactly to replace it with. They’ll set up a council with 3 purple haired morbidly obese screeching non-binaries to decide matters. It will be like CHOP on a national scale for a week or so before it totally goes to hell and we’re back to primitive warring tribes.

  67. Suthenboy

    Trying to catch up and not doing a very good job.

    I see the discussion about UBI above….does anyone remember my discussion about the measuring of lumber?

    • robc

      Does it have to do with why 2x4s arent 2 by 4?

    • Mojeaux

      does anyone remember my discussion about the measuring of lumber?

      I do, but only vaguely. I think I was still buying lumber at that point.

    • Suthenboy

      You have a stack of lumber and you plan to build a house with it. You look at the blueprints and then count. your lumber. You dont have enough board feet of lumber.
      What to do….what to do? In a flash of inspiration you decide to make a ‘foot’ smaller. Using your new smaller foot you measure the lumber again. You have saved the day, now you have enough board feet of lumber.

      It was with regards to inflation and how more dollars just make the unit of measure of wealth smaller. Regarding UBI it amounts to the same thing….pumping more units of measure into the economy.

      In the end you still have the same amount of lumber no matter what you do to the unit of measure. UBI would be a disaster. If you can magically make more loaves of bread and pass them out that would be good, but dollars? Not so much. Without the bread or the lumber the dollars are worthless.

      • Hyperion

        “you still have the same amount of lumber”

        You actually wind up with less because of all the administrative cost of redefining all those units of measure and distributing according to social justice.

      • Don Escaped MLB

        unit of measure

        It’s part of a too-long story that generally reflects well on me, but I once characterized a girl I was crazy about as a size 12 in a text that she eventually found. I had been very familiar with clothes sizing back around Watergate, and I knew at the time of the text that vanity sizing was one of the many American intellectual corruptions, but I had not idea how severe and idiotically the situation had spiraled. I should have just called off her weight and height directly as I don’t think ASTM has entirely lost its mind yet.

      • robc

        My one defense of UBI: IF AND ONLY IF, it came with the elimination of transfer payments, then your problem, which is a real problem, isn’t any worse a problem than it already is today.

        UBI doesn’t solve the problem, but it doesn’t necessarily make it worse.

    • Urthona

      You guys really need to stop comparing wood in here.

  68. Juvenile Bluster

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    There will never be an “Autonomous Zone” in Washington, D.C., as long as I’m your President. If they try they will be met with serious force!

    if there’s any place where I’d be in favor of pushing the authorities out and the people setting up an “autonomous zone”, it would be Washington DC.

    • leon

      If we made all of DC an Autonomous Zone, is that like a trick play where all of the sudden the states are made independent and free?

    • slumbrew

      Isn’t Washington D.C. already an autonomous zone, carved out of Virginia & Maryland?

      • Chipwooder

        Since 1846, only carved out of Maryland. All of DC is north of the Potomac. There originally was a section south of the Potomac (mostly modern-day Alexandria) but it was ceded back to Virginia.

      • Suthenboy

        I was just laughing about that.

        We need a Trump translator. I know what he means….it wont be taken by force by a bunch of rag-tag commie radicals. I am torn over the way the one in Seattle was handled. I would have probably sent the troops in and clamped the fuck down on the other riots around the country. Once they show a willingness to ‘invade’ the US and take territory they arent a local police problem anymore.
        That might be a mistake, at least before the election. Afterward? I would definitely deal with them in a heavy-handed way. And every one of the fuckknuckle useful idiots caught on camera tearing down monuments, assaulting people, looting and destroying property would be prosecuted.

      • Hyperion

        We should break up Panem and scatter all the offices across the USA, after disbanding 90% of them. Then we can turn all those buildings into casinos and bars, finally make it useful.

      • Suthenboy

        “….break up Panem and scatter all the offices across the USA…”

        In all seriousness that is the best idea I am going to hear all year.

      • Hyperion

        I think I actually got that idea from bad orange man. I think he is the person who first brought that up.

      • R C Dean

        I like the idea, but I worry that salting the rest of the country with proggy Deep States will only reinforce their electoral standing. IF you do it, dozens of Congressional districts will be increasingly dependent on proggy Deep State voters and Deep State cash.

    • Hyperion

      “if there’s any place where I’d be in favor of pushing the authorities out and the people setting up an “autonomous zone”, it would be Washington DC.”

      I get it, that sounds good for about a minute until I consider the implications. Consider who resides in DC. They vote 90+% democrat and they’re going to rule over the rest of the nation with an iron fist. The first thing they do is throw out what’s left of the Constitution. Be careful what you wish for.

  69. cyto

    I have a question that I am too lazy to answer myself.

    I do not really follow NASCAR. I am tangentially aware of it at this point. I could not tell you who won the points Championship any of the last couple of years.

    So I have never heard of Wallace. I have no clue who this guy is. The only photographs of him I have seen are from the articles about this incident. In those photographs I cannot really identify anyone who is obviously black. I assume we are talking about the guy in the center of the photographs. The one with the dark hair. The one who does not look particularly African in Heritage. He looks vaguely ethnic of some sort.

    So is it just those photographs? Or is he someone who would have to explain his racial Heritage to you in order for you to know that he was black. This isn’t like Dwayne Johnson, is it? Some guy who has darker skin but is actually not has darker skin but is actually not of African ancestry in any way?

    • Urthona

      I have followed NASCAR because my 5 year old son is really into it, and I was completely unaware Bubba Wallace was black. They rarely show the faces but when they do he looks lighter skinned.

      More importantly, his name is Bubba. I just assumed he was a redneck. I mean come on.

    • R C Dean

      I think Bubba may be like Kaepernick and Obama – as a light skinned mixed race person, they never had a “home” in either the white or black community, and their response is to overcompensate.

      What is surprising is Bubba used to be a pretty good-natured fellow. Kind of wrecky and stuck in the 10 – 20 zone as far as finishing, much like Danica, but was a solid ernough driver. Now he’s got the spotlight and he’s loving it.

    • Gender Traitor

      I follow NASCAR. Bubba is biracial. As I mentioned at the tail end of last night’s comment thread, I like Bubba and have always found him congenial, with a good sense of humor. I hope this incident was not a hoax, but if it was, I hope he was not involved. (Per NASCAR, it was a crew member, not Bubba, who found the noose.)

      One little thing I thought was a nice gesture: Bubba was doing very well in the race but ran out of gas a few laps from the end. (It happens – no fuel gauges, and teams do the math as best they can but often gamble and cross their fingers.) Another driver, Corey LaJoie, used his car to push Bubba to his pit so he could refuel & finish the race (in 14th, I believe.)

      • R C Dean

        I hope this incident was not a hoax

        I’d rather it be a hoax than an actual gesture of racial hatred. And I’m pretty sure its a hoax, in the sense that the photos of the garages show rope lanyards with loops in the end for pulling the garage doors closed.

        Show us a photograph of the damn noose. Until I see that, I’m betting “not a real noose”. I’m thinking a reason why they haven’t shown us the actual “noose”.

      • Don Escaped MLB

        are we talking semi-automatic noose or full auto noose or just any noose with the thing that goes up?

      • RAHeinlein

        Isn’t he driving with “Black Lives Matter” emblazoned on his car?

    • "Tulsi Gabbard Apologist"

      It’s your fault for believing that ENB was anything other than a white progressive.

      • leon

        Don’t blame me, I only knew her as the girl on the Sex Work beat at reason.

      • Urthona

        ahem. “white” progressive? Why is her race so important to you?

      • "Tulsi Gabbard Apologist"

        White progressives are a particularly noxious bunch. They are the religious zealots.

      • Urthona

        I CAN’T EVEN!

      • "Tulsi Gabbard Apologist"

        Just look at all the rioting in these cities, trying to find a black person at them is like playing “Where’s Waldo”. The fact that statues are being pulled down and autonomous zones declared in Seattle (which has a total of like five black people who live there), rather than Detroit or Cleveland says it all.

      • R C Dean

        Just look at all the rioting in these cities, trying to find a black person at them is like playing “Where’s Waldo”.

        There’s plenty of video of blacks looting, at least, as part of the riots.

      • Chipwooder

        And white prog women are the worst of them all.

      • leon

        America has a real anti white women problem. Right wingers hat the Left wing White Prog Women, and all the Leftists hate them because they elected Donald Trump.

      • Urthona

        Man I still like the white women.

      • slumbrew

        Man I still like the white women.

        Where they at?

    • Chipwooder

      Christ, what an asshole she is. Still wearing the libertarian skinsuit because she’s too shitty a writer to have been hired by WaPo or The Atlantic yet, and still the same leftist she was when she was writing feminist screeds for Bustle.

      • "Tulsi Gabbard Apologist"

        The Kochs have never funded our best. She is just example A

      • Urthona

        I’d be willing to be a libertarian shill on the internet for some sweet Koch bucks.

      • slumbrew

        I thought that’s what this place was for. Did you get your check this week?

  70. Don Escaped MLB

    I’m out of equities today: totally willing to forego any further gains this year in favor of wallowing in cash while the Fed tries to ruin me.

    I hadn’t made a trade in almost ten years.

  71. Chipwooder

    Starting to really get the feeling that “moderate” Republicans think that everything will revert to normal if Trump loses the election. Won’t they be surprised by what actually will happen,