Why Antifa Knowingly or Unknowingly Promotes Fascism

by | Jun 16, 2020 | Economy, History, Liberty, Politics, Rule of Law, Society | 294 comments

“Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion.” Friedrich Hayek

Fascism

I would like to begin with a short discourse on fascism. A fully nuanced and comprehensive essay would actually be beyond my means and would require a book length monograph to do the subject justice. But we can describe the heart of fascism: it is the willingness to marshal the entire forces of a society against an enemy and a willingness to do what is needed to be done to annihilate it. To marshal the forces of society, the fascists prioritize bringing the means of production under a centralized control. They dictate who produces what, to whom they deliver what they produce etc.

Historically, when fascism was first conjured as an alternate form of socialism to international communism,  in order to differentiate themselves from the communists, the fascists were willing to make deals with existing institutions, organizations or social groups in society to purchase their support. At that time, since the communists promised to annihilate anything outside the party, institutions were open to this form of alliance, seeing it as an act of self-preservation. Often these alliances were not entirely voluntary; a refusal to join the fascists would make one their target; like the communists, the fascists were very black and white; you were either a loyal supporter or the enemy. Period. Thus, like the communists, the fascists were quite OK with using violence against non-fascists.

Syndicalism

Mussolini being a syndicalist, the original incarnation of fascism was essentially an attempt by Mussolini to practically implement the political philosophy of syndicalism in Italy, taking into account the political, economic and military issues of the time. Like the communists, the syndicalists wish to socialize the means of production and place them at the disposal of the workers. Like the communists, the syndicalists are believers in direct action and violent action to implement this socialization.

The major differential is that the syndicalist believes that workers should own the means of production that employ them only, instead of owning all the means of production. So, railroad workers own the railroads (but not the wheat threshers), while farmers own the wheat threshers (but not the railroads). The inevitable result of this syndicalization of the economy is that you get these socialized sectors of the economy trading with each other with a central control system managing the trade. In other words, you get state capitalism.

As in all centrally managed economies, the central coordinators disrupt the system of price signals that coordinate economic activity in order to get the results they desire. Moreover, the people making the economic decisions are all making the administrative and executive decisions that best meet their own personal goals.  Inevitably, the managed economy becomes corrupt, inefficient, bloated, unproductive.

As a consequence, the fascist economy tends to become less and less wealthy over time. It’s not productive enough to grow. Its capital stock wears out faster than it can replace it. So more and more of the economy within the nation has to be subsumed into the fascist system to make up for the losses, or outside resources have to be seized by force.

But at the outset, when it is first implemented, particularly in a time of crisis, Fascism seems to work very well. Resources that were idled due to violence, or savings that were not put to work due to uncertainty are all put to production towards some specific and very visible goal, and the success in that front will be very apparent, while the decay will be obscured.

Does Fascism Have to be Syndicalist?

Seeing Mussolini’s successes in Italy, many non-syndicalists seized upon his system and tried to implement it at home. Some, like Hitler, were not syndicalists but had cultural goals. Some like Franco started out as syndicalists, but rejected the philosophy because they were dependent on anti-syndicalist allies to rule. Some like Kemal Attaturk were nationalists bent on creating a modern nation state using the latest scientific consensus.

Despite all of these disparate movements having completely divergent aims and political philosophies, the way they organized their governments and sought to implement their ideas had great commonality.  Fascism was and remains a method of rule. Fascism was the method of organizing and regimenting society. Fascism was the willingness to use violent means to bring the recalcitrant to heel.  Fascism was makeshift. And, not being wed to any particular principle other than the mighty exerting their will to order society to face challenges, fascist societies can rapidly change their rules and methods to adapt to changing circumstances.

As a consequence, even the nominally communist nations such as the Soviet Union, Cuba, Albania, China and North Korea, have all ended up with fascist states that pay lip service to being communist, leading Hayek to make the quip that led off this article.

Fascism is the New Capitalism

Karl Marx famously coined the word ‘capitalism’ as “a mode of production based on private ownership of the means of production. Capitalists produce commodities for the exchange market and to stay competitive must extract as much labor from the workers as possible at the lowest possible cost.”

In opposing capitalism, the communists and the fascists seek to overthrow the existing exploitative order and either create a new just one, or restore an old just one. They seek to yoke the owners of capital and to force them to act in ways that enhance the social order. But having seized control of the means of production, the fascists and the communists are faced with the very real problems of how to operate the means of production. And naturally, their interests are very similar to the ones of the private owners they have shot or coopted. And, since the decisions they make are not only for the good of society, but are absolutely vital to preserving society from being destroyed by its enemies, the anti-capitalist justice movements rapidly begin exploiting the workers with every bit of viciousness and inhumanity as they imagined the capitalists used to.

Since they are used to using violence to gain compliance, their exploitation becomes completely coercive. It becomes a crime against the state to be habitually late for work, to miss production quotas, etc. Rather than being fired, a lazy, hapless, or negligent worker faces jail, beatings or being shot. Changing jobs becomes a lot harder.

Paradoxically, the anti-capitalists end up recreating what they imagine capitalism to be; a state capitalism that ruthlessly exploits workers, keeps the working in hazardous conditions, grinds them into poverty with low wages, manufacturing poor quality goods for their consumption, all the while telling them how lucky they are.

Though paradoxical, this is inevitable. Any system of coercively controlling the economy must exploit its workers and grind them down. It cannot tolerate freedom since free people will inevitably undermine the state rather than supporting it.

Black Shirt, Brown Shirt, Green Shirt, Red Shirt

One signature of fascist movements are violent cadres that are not formally part of the state, but instead are part of the fascist party.  These cadres are usually built during the period where the fascist movement is forming and attempting to seize power. Sometimes they are purged after the fascists have seized power. Sometimes they are retained as semi-official organizations. Sometimes they are incorporated into the state.

But during the period leading up to the take-over, the cadres behave very similarly. They violently attack enemies of the party. They make the country ungovernable absent the party receiving concessions from the rulers. They draw their membership from people disaffected with the direction of society. They indoctrinate their membership to see themselves as a force for defending order and morality, the wealthy as plutocratic predators selling out the nation and the loyalists of opposition parties or members of disfavored social classes as enemies to be ruthlessly put down. They are also conditioned to ever be searching out and targeting new enemies, making them very pliant when the party decided to make new alliances or to target new enemies.

Anti-Fa

Anti-Fa is a set of violent groups of people who are loosely organized by professional agitators and indoctrinated to use violence at targets selected by those agitators.

The groups have no coherent stated philosophy. Rather they espouse a hodge podge of ideas marked by opposition to capitalism, with a goal to returning the means of production to the workers. The groups tend to most heavily espouse anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism. The members are encouraged to see themselves as fighting an insidious hidden movement of white-supremacists and fascists who are bent on exploiting the poor and downtrodden. They are morally sanctioned and primed towards using murderous violence towards their targets since their targets are, in their minds, morally depraved and deserving it.

Their indoctrination is of the sort that any critical thinker would think is laughable in its detachment from reality. They are rightly mocked for believing that the areas they operate, such as Portland, Oregon are hotbeds of white supremacism.  But that indoctrination is purposeful; the organizers don’t want critical thinkers within their ranks. The laughable propaganda is intended to repel the sort of people who think for themselves and might not go along with the program. In my opinion, it’s intended purposefully to attract only people who will believe anything and who are tractable enough that they can be easily induced to assault anyone they are directed to target.

They are, in effect, very much like the paramilitary wings of every fascist movement that has made a serious play to seizing power.  They are most active in cities that are Democratic party strongholds.  They are not loyal to the Democratic party per se, so much as a very radical progressive/socialist wing of the party. To date, they have been used more to purge non-socialists from the party in locales where the socialists are powerful enough to seize control. This, coupled with the very serious risk of damaging exposure were they to be arrested outside jurisdictions where the prosecutors are allied with them, and the serious risk of getting shot by property owners who are living in polities that aren’t hostile to self defense, has limited their operations to places like Portland, Oregon or Boston, Mass.

The Puppet Masters’ Goals

The pay-masters who direct and control Anti-Fa are securely embedded in the eco-system of NGO’s that promote socialism.  The agitators are likely motivated for widely different reasons. Some are true-believers. Some want power and this is an easy way to get it.  Some are attracted to the movement because it gives them a supply of young cadre members to use for their own personal gratification.  Some find it a lucrative, mercenary profession. The people paying them want to violently reorder society and seize control of it. And the funding ultimately is extracted from wealthy members of the west’s aristocracy who embrace socialism and don’t understand that they are purchasing the piano-wire that will be used to strangle them should their movement succeed.

It’s apparent that the ultimate goal of the people pulling the strings on anti-fa is just a little destabilization; one that creates just enough chaos to help the string-pullers further their goals of gaining political power; that rather than overthrowing the U.S. and state governments, they merely want to gain control of them. In this Anti-Fa’s managers have far more in common with Mussolini than with Lenin.

But they are playing with fire since the foot soldiers they recruit would prefer to follow Pol Pot to Lenin.

The End Result

If Anti-Fa is able to achieve its aim of destabilizing society, one of two things will happen. Their paymasters will seize control, or some of their victims will create counter movement that is just as violent to defend their victims’ interests that successfully defeats them.   Whichever side is victorious, it will come to power to rule a fractured people with a damaged economy. To consolidate power, to get the forces of production working again, to restore order, the ultimate victors will have to start making the decisions on how the capital stock in the U.S. will be used. Inevitably, whoever wins, they will resort to the state capitalism that is the real-world result of implementing communism, socialism (national, international, democratic or otherwise), or syndicalism.

Win or lose, should anti-fa achieve its goal of bringing the modern white-supremacist neo-liberalist patriarchial capitalist order to its needs, the people who ultimately will end up in power will be fascists. It won’t matter what the victors’ actual stated ideology is. It won’t matter which enemy they are ruthlessly suppressing to preserve society and create justice. The ultimate victor will have to embrace fascism to survive.

Anti-fa’s hatred of freedom and liberal principles ensures that they are working towards fascism. Whether this is knowing or unknowing is irrelevant.

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294 Comments

  1. robc

    80 or so years ago, Orwell was already saying that the word “fascism” had lost all meaning, even then it meant “what my opponents are doing”.

      • robc

        Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.</em

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        See any of the dozen episodes of The Young Ones.

      • Sean

        ??

    • DOOMco

      That’s the best part. The facists yelling about facists.

  2. Fourscore

    Fat Boy is dead. I called this a week ago. Little Sis is stomping her feet so the gens know who is in charge.

    That’s my story., I’m sticking to it. Once it gets announced, a little more theater and we’ll be sending edibles to keep the real folks quiet

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      I saw a picture of them together just yesterday, File footage?

  3. DEG

    Win or lose, should anti-fa achieve its goal of bringing the modern white-supremacist neo-liberalist patriarchial capitalist order to its needs, the people who ultimately will end up in power will be fascists.

    This is depressing.

  4. juris imprudent

    They are a group of children intent on playing, in this case LARPing themselves into a heroic narrative. They have no desire to be truly committed and disciplined to a cause – this is just a physical form of entertainment to stave off the boredom that consumes their otherwise empty lives. They have no idea how the Nazis and Communists were recruiting out of the same pool, and even flipping between the two camps, in Weimar Germany.

    • Drake

      They (antifa and BLM) are just useful idiots – to be disposed of when their purpose has been served.

      • juris imprudent

        Yeah, I’d go with that if there was in fact a coherent element behind them. Not sure I buy into that.

      • Drake

        I think there is. Look at the conveniently placed bricks, the bused in rioters, the simultaneous “protests” around the world. And the universally positive consistent messaging in the mainstream media. It’s very well coordinated.

  5. Chipwooder

    The liberals who embrace them now will be very, very sorry some day if these evil fucks ever succeed in their goals.

    • The Other Kevin

      Right now they are proving useful to fight against Trump. The assumption is that if they succeed in beating Trump, then everything will calm down and Antifa will disappear just like the anti-war movement did under Obama. I’m not sure sure that will happen this time.

      • Chipwooder

        I don’t think it will. The antiwar crowd of 12+ years ago wasn’t comprised primarily of hardcore Marxists. Antifa is.

        The Democratic Party has been playing footsie with these fucks for years, thinking that they can control them.

    • blighted_non_millenial

      The second Antifa stops being useful or becomes a pain in the progressive establishment’s ass, Antifa gets a full on FBI/BATFE/DEA/ETC/ETC full court press and ceases to exist.

      • leon

        Hahaha. For a second i was trying to figure out what fed gov department the ETC was

      • kbolino

        Well, at least as long as the three-letter agencies continue to exist in more or less in their current forms.

        DEA is an easy target to eliminate because they mostly go after minorities. The FBI can just be skinsuited and seems to already be going down that road. ATF is so closely aligned with one of their big goals that it hardly even needs to be skinsuited.

      • leon

        When’s the last time you heard about ATF raiding a smoke shop?

      • Donation Not Taxation

        At least once in February 2020 …

        “I’m trying to make an honest living and the only thing I have to ask the ATF is why not give me a chance to have a tobacco license if I’m not a felon?” he said. “What I done to y’all so bad personally that you can’t give me a tobacco license?”

        Owner of Vegas Vape says he’s staying open despite recent raid; 12 arrested at vape shop, nearby paint and sip venue

        https://www.wafb.com/2020/02/10/twelve-arrested-raids-baton-rouge-vape-shop-nearby-paint-bar/

      • Drake

        The fact that they aren’t getting rolled up right now shows how little control Trump has. Meanwhile they are still out there hunting for white supremacists – or trying to create them.

  6. Yusef drives a Kia

    Very well done, Bravo!

  7. Don Escaped any Landslide

    I’m okay with this as a review of history and an estimation of motivations.

    But I need more names, dates, and dollars in the puppet-master space. Maybe everyone else here is well-read on who the main financiers and toadies are, but I’m not familiar with the smoking guns. I don’t necessarily doubt the general veracity of this post as to general shape, but I’m not going to repeat any of it until I can move from things-conspiracy-advocates-say-at-my-family-reunion-for-$500-Alex to more nuts-and-bolts. I need an antecedent or two: for a wide-flung conspiracy that everyone perfectly-well knows, an awful lot of these discussions begin with “they.”

    As to tone and composition, thanks for writing this.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Just put on the fucking glasses dude.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Best fight scene ever…….

      • Don Escaped any Landslide

        I hit a bucket of balls and am now running errands. I’ll try to digest this better later.

        It might be that this is like radical Islam, that a certain culture is suggestible and organically decentralized. I still am looking for a face or a post or a cancelled check from the Committee to ReElect the President. It’s everywhere but we have no credo or lieutenants to show you aren’t satisfying as the primary characterization of the movement. I’m not dismissing anything, but I would like to see ledger’s balanced and units cancel.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        It might be that this is like radical Islam, that a certain culture is suggestible and organically decentralized.

        Yes, this is more John Robb’s “Open-Source War” than secret cabal of [demographic we don’t like today] organizing everything behind the scenes. Conspiracy theories of elite manipulation of the masses appeal to those who don’t understand systems thinking and/or spontaneous order.

      • Don Escaped any Landslide

        No doubt a weak area for an org/ops guy

        It smells unfalsifiable. There are lots of invisible things I can prove exists or happened, but I’d just end up hand-wavi g and gasping if I were to lecture in this area.

      • Akira

        I think it could be a mixture of deliberate conspiracy and simple groupthink.

        It wasn’t a great while ago that numerous major media networks were revealed to have been submitting their articles to the Hillary campaign for approval and revisions. And the whole “JournoList” thing where journalists were getting together to discuss how to slant their coverage in order to get Obama elected?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I’m going to recommend the cancellation of your glib credentials for not getting my totally sick and completely rad reference.

        youtube.com/watch?v=4-MVMbm6c0k

      • Don Escaped any Landslide

        I took it as a friendly jab

        Will look soon

      • Don Escaped any Landslide

        I’m pretty lost on pop culture beyond, say, SRV and Apocalypse now

      • Don Escaped any Landslide

        your glib credentials

        I’m pretty sure I’m only here on a student visa and will never so much as earn a green card

      • leon

        I’m here Illegally. What are they gonna do about it?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Build a wall?

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      The DNC, the CCP, George Soros, Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, just for starters

      • Sean

        Don’t leave out the Rothschilds.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I’m still compiling, gimme a few hours…….

      • Raven Nation

        Pfft, it’s the Bilderbergers. Assisted by the Trilateral Commission.

      • Tres Cool

        I knew what that was before I even clicked. Highly underrated movie.

      • Nephilium

        I was expecting this.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        Glad you agree.

    • leon

      If we told you, they would kill you.

    • Mustang

      This is also my question. Great article overall but I have a hard time with the infamous “they.”

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      The key player as per Alex Jones et al is George Soros. Mind you, that I am not using the Red-Faced Hulk’s name as a pejorative, he has actually been correct-ish about more than a few things over the years. Granted, more often than not, he takes a core truth and takes it straight to crazy-town.

      In any case, there is a great deal of Soros money flowing into the NGOs behind many of these agitators, as to whether he has created the parade or he jumped in front of an already emergent movement’s parade and declared himself the leader, I remain undecided, however, I tend to lean more towards the latter when evaluating this sort of situation. As to what Mr. Soros’ desired end state is, I dunno, there is a great deal of speculation on the topic a great deal of which goes into lizard-people loony town. He is definitely interested in promoting leftist causes in the US and elsewhere, again I would be speculating as to why.

      • Akira

        Mind you, that I am not using the Red-Faced Hulk’s name as a pejorative, he has actually been correct-ish about more than a few things over the years. Granted, more often than not, he takes a core truth and takes it straight to crazy-town.

        Alex Jones seems like a guy who frequently identifies a problem spot on, but gets wildly over-speculative about the causes and motivations. I think he probably does the crazy stuff so that he can either 1) get more attention to the halfway sensible stuff that he says, or 2) get more attention for himself in general and make more money off his image.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        Think it is a mix of the two. I struggle in determining if he is a huckster or a true believer.

    • Cy

      If I had to guess who ‘they’ is, it’s probably a handful of people you’ve never heard of with an immense amount of inherited wealth. They’re probably ultra wealthy, bored and moderately intelligent with a huge sense of elitism.

    • tarran

      The problem is that I’m not 100% certain who ‘they’ are, and I haven’t done any research… 🙂

      I do know more about the Climate Change space, and it seems to me that there is huge overlap between the people financing and directing Anti-fa and the guys funding and organizing the alarmist anti-energy movement.

      Here’s what I’ve observed:
      1) There are a large number of Tom Steyer-like people who have gotten very wealthy, but have no understanding of economics. They also suffer from hubris; they truly believe they are the smartest guys on the Earth and that if everyone listened to them, the world would be a better place, and that if they overthrow the old they can manage any negative consequences. Readers of the E-Myth will recognize the disastrously unhinged Entrepreneur archetype who destroy their companies as described in that book.

      2) There are a large number of wealthy young people, such as the scions of the Rockefeller clan. They don’t understand business or economics. They are very well educated, and have lived lives of comfort. They also live in fear of being reduced to poverty. The socialism they advocate for is one where they become the ruling class. It also is one that puts them in charge of the creative destruction flowing from innovation. The children of politicians also tend to fall into this group.

      3) Upper middle class people. These are the dupes who give money to Greenpeace. They are not organizers. They are however the biggest source of funding after the government. They are milked for funds by guilt-tripping them with stories about starving polar bears etc. They remind me of aphids that are kept as livestock by ants.

      4) Politicians. Politicians love the climate change movement because its a perfect political crisis. The real damage is always 12 years away. The solutions they peddle always put the politician in charge of greater and greater sums of money and power.

      5) The academic class. These guys are often from poorer backgrounds. Their education allows them to claim expertise and they receive funding for their research in exchange for publishing justifications for putting the string-pullers in control. It’s also a gateway to them gaining economic or political power.

      6) The rent-seeking businessman. No need to say anything. Read Atlas Shrugged.

      Basically, the political movement expiates guilt for some, provides rents for some. provides power to some, and provides meaning to many.

      For the climate change movement, the heavies are:
      1) NSF grants,
      2) NGO’s like Greenpeace and the WWF whicha re funded by corporate and private donors as well as grants from governments.
      3) The Tides Foundation (which serves as sort of a money-laundering operation where donors give money to the Tide Fund, and they in turn give a big chunk of that to the target organization selected by the donor in a way that can’t be traced to the donor in public records.
      4) The Rockefeller fund. I’m serious. These guys are utterly insane and are directing the vast Rockefeller fortune to some very dark ends.

      It would take a book.

  8. leon

    They are, in effect, very much like the paramilitary wings of every fascist movement that has made a serious play to seizing power. They are most active in cities that are Democratic party strongholds. They are not loyal to the Democratic party per se, so much as a very radical progressive/socialist wing of the party.

    Yup. In fact i would be surprised if more than 50% of people who go out on Antifa Marches are registered Democrats. They are trying pull the party fully Communist.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Yes. The fascists were the reactionary response to the communists.

        As usual, we can blame Germany for almost everything wrong with modern political philosophy.

    • leon

      No labor can be voluntary under the threat of starvation


      By the sweat of your brow
      you will eat your food
      until you return to the ground,
      since from it you were taken;
      for dust you are
      and to dust you will return

      • kbolino

        Poverty is the natural state of mankind, for scarcity is an indelible consequence of nature’s immutable laws. Since the dawn of mankind, and in quite a few animal species as well, there are only two kinds of people: those who work to eat and those who eat off the fruit of others’ work. We used to call the latter kings, courtiers, manor lords, and clergy. You will either starve, work so you can eat, or enjoy the privilege of eating without work at the expense of others. So it has always been, so it will always be. And though you may wish to be the king, you will almost certainly not be, and monarchy does not last anyway.

      • Fourscore

        Buys extra lottery ticket…

      • kinnath

        Hey Fourscore.

        I was reading an article on paint the trunk of apple trees with white paint. I have done it in the past to keep the rabbits from chewing on the bark. This article said it was very effective to keep mice from chewing on the trees under the snow in the winter.

        When I get a chance I will try to find a like to the article.

        So use a flat latex paint. Mix 50/50 with water to make a thin wash. Use 100 percent paint to stop boring insects.

        I plan to paint mine again this summer.

      • Fourscore

        That would be easier than the alum foil every year. Paint below the surface a little too? I’m interested to read the article, no hurry, thanks

      • juris imprudent

        The canard starvation is coercion again huh. Every moron thinks that is so unanswerable as an indictment of capitalism. As though every society in human history was a provider of sustenance to ditzy slackers.

    • leon

      Work under capitalism isn’t voluntary like most would argue. Art credits to me.

      LOL.

      Captialisim keeps the man down! NOW KEEP YOUR DIRTY HANDS OF MY PROPERTY!

    • PieInTheSky

      Unlike the gulag which offered minimum wage and healthcare

    • Rebel Scum

      Fascinating…

    • robc

      n the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
      By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
      But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

  9. PieInTheSky

    But we can describe the heart of fascism: it is the willingness to marshal the entire forces of a society against an enemy and a willingness to do what is needed to be done to annihilate it. – I feel this definition is overbroad.

    • Drake

      It’s sols as a more palatable brand of socialism married to nationalism / patriotism. Some of Mussolini’s ideas were fairly intellectual – helping Italians live meaningful lives in the industrial age.

      • PieInTheSky

        well there can be several ways to define fascism true, I just think the above is not specific enough.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        To my way of thinking, in terms of function, there is little difference between Fascism and Socialism. The only difference I can discern is the force motivating the respective movements. Fascism uses national/ethnic identity (something that was lacking in the relatively newly unified nations of Italy and Germany, incidentally) and Socialists and Communists use the worker writ large as an identity to animate their cause.

      • Drake

        International versus National Socialism. It’s right in the name.

      • Caput Lupinum

        To-morrow, Fascists and communists, both persecuted by the police, may arrive at an agreement, sinking their differences until the time comes to share the spoils. I realise that though there are no political affinities between us, there are plenty of intellectual affinities. Like them, we believe in the necessity for a centralised and unitary state, imposing an iron discipline on everyone, but with the difference that they reach this conclusion through the idea of class, we through the idea of the nation.

        – Benito Mussolini, The Myth of the Nation and the Vision of Revolution

      • DOOMco

        So they’re almost the same.

      • Caput Lupinum

        From one of the last interviews with Mussolini:

        For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality. As the evolution of society belied many of the prophecies of Marx, the true socialism folded from possible to probable. The only feasible socialism socialisticamente is corporatism, confluence, balance and justice interests compared to the collective interest.

        Certainly seems that the inventor of fascism thought it was the same.

  10. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Thanks tarran.

    I’m interested in the functional difference between syndicalism and corporatism, if there is any. Any thoughts?

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      As I understand it, Syndicalism is imagined as a pyramid of labor unions governing, whereas Corporatism is more about companies hijacking the levers of power to serve its own ends. Think United Fruit Company and the Fruit Wars in the 1920s (?), the company effectively ran several Central American countries in order to ensure their monopoly remained intact and got protection from the US Government to do so.

    • kbolino

      An example of corporatism without syndicalism would be Hong Kong’s functional constituencies. Basically, every profession gets to form an organization and that organization gets representation in the legislature the same as a geographic constituency. There’s generally a limit of one organization per profession and related professions are generally grouped together in the same organization. The functional constituencies are thus corporate bodies, though not corporations in the joint-stock company sense, that are directly given a seat at the table of governance. This means that working people who join industrial organizations generally have two votes: one as part of a geographic constituency and another as part of a functional constituency. However, Hong Kong is (or was) a mostly free market economy, and while the functional constituencies got a vote in overall governance they were not granted total control of their own industries, any more than a geographic constituency would have total control of its residents. So, corporatist but not syndicalist.

      Of course, these functional constituencies also proved key to the PRC’s takeover of Hong Kong government from within. After “reunification”, the PRC made sure to establish ties between HK and mainland businesses, to deepen those ties over the decades following, and finally to weaponize them by threats and subtle manipulations.

  11. Scruffy Nerfherder

    One quibble with the article:

    Seeing Mussolini’s successes in Italy, many non-syndicalists seized upon his system and tried to implement it at home. Some, like Hitler, were not syndicalists but had cultural goals. Some like Franco started out as syndicalists, but rejected the philosophy because they were dependent on anti-syndicalist allies to rule. Some like Kemal Attaturk were nationalists bent on creating a modern nation state using the latest scientific consensus.

    You left out the United States. Fascist was not a dirty word in the 1930’s and FDR’s programs were almost explicitly fascist in conception and implementation. Even the propaganda of the New Deal took cues from Italy and Germany.

    https://americanhistory.si.edu/american-enterprise-exhibition/corporate-era/new-deal

    • Drake

      Mussolini – like Hitler and many of his lieutenants – was a product of early 20th century Marxist Socialism. The vocabulary they use reveals that they were immersed in that bullshit. He broke with the international socialists over WWI. Slightly modified his economic policies and merged them with nationalism / patriotism – and fascism was born. Of course that appealed to FDR who loved the big state without the excesses of the bolsheviks.

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      Wasn’t there a Fascist coup of FDR planned in the 1930’s, I want to say that Prescott Bush was tangentially involved. Not completely sure about the ideology that animated it though.

      • Viking1865

        The so called Business Plot is a leftist myth, from what I can tell. It was and is a way for FDR and his successors to label anti-FDR Americans as Nazis.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        I can see that as a distinct possibility.

      • Viking1865

        If it did ever exist, it was a collection of old men with no actual power, legitimate or illegitimate. The big story is that they tried to get Smedley Butler in on it, and he blew the whistle. But Smedley was a civilian, he was not the Commandant.

        A coup requires some kind of actual force. Are you going to physically seize control of the capital? Are you going to hound the legit President out of office on trumped up charges? Are you going to assassinate him?

        Personally, I think its just one giant lie set up by the FDR worshipers.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        I tend to agree, We can agree that FDR was terrible all around, no?

      • kbolino

        FDR’s single greatest unique “achievement” may well be the confiscation of gold. Not just for its direct effect but for the establishment of precedent that the President can, with the right magic words, do just about anything by executive order.

    • tarran

      Yeah, I left out the U.S. on purpose. The U.S. is a complicated case; FDR tried to take the U.S. fascist. Not because of ideology, but because he looked around and saw that fascism was all the rage in Europe.

      In the book ‘A Country Squire in the White House’, written be a former insider who had a falling out with FDR, he describes FDR as a man utterly without principle other than wanting power and needing adulation.

      So FDR tried to go full fascist, was smacked down by the Supreme Court, fought back and got the country partially fascist, and then did his best to foment WW-II (which would have happened regardless of his efforts, but might not have included the U.S. without them) in an effort to fix the economy and to give himself a heroic accomplishment.

      Since it’s complex, and a bit of a hot-button side show to the main thrust of my article, I decided to not go there.

      • juris imprudent

        …a man utterly without principle other than wanting power and needing adulation.

        Truly the inventor of the modern Presidency.

      • kbolino

        Woodrow Wilson and his puppeteer wife beg to differ.

  12. Chipwooder

    This is the fucking world we live in now, and it is entirely the fault of the left in general and the Democratic Party in particular. Fuck them all, each and every last one of them until the end of time.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      No, it’s California

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      4chan rules the world

    • leon

      Cafferty is Mexican American and says he comes from a diverse family of all races. He says he’s proud of SDG&E for taking any allegations of racism seriously, but he wants his job back.

      Look, i’m a good guy, you are clearly mistaken. I thank you for your vigilance, but if i could just talk to the commissioner i’m sure we could clear this up…

      • Tulip

        If only comrade Stalin knew.

    • Drake

      It’s everyone’s fault. The Republican party are mostly compromised pussies who won’t or can’t stand up for themselves much less anyone else. The average Dem voter let themselves be brainwashed by media propaganda to the point that they are now willing to ban books, exile people for wrong opinions, and in that case, having a gut fired for rolling a booger. We’ve all let big tech morph into big censorship.

      Just like the Brown Shirts, it won’t stop until somebody develops the balls to make it stop.

      • Cy

        “The Republican party are mostly compromised pussies who won’t or can’t stand up for themselves much less anyone else. ”

        I think that they’re vastly ‘law & order’ types. They’re just now starting to realize that the people controlling the law and order aren’t.

      • RAHeinlein

        Agreed, and it’s hard for “normies” (R or D) to keep-up with this nonsense. I remember a Jamie Dimon interview a few years ago about the economy and Trump – he said “the economy is 150 million people going to work every day – most people aren’t paying any attention to this stuff”

      • juris imprudent

        The California Republicans committed themselves to being a minority party in the state 30 years ago, prior to the “non-partisan” redistricting process. They agreed to a smaller number of safe seats rather than a larger number of competitive ones. It was a yellow streak a mile wide, and they deserve exactly what they got.

      • kbolino

        To be somewhat fair, I don’t think they quite planned for the courts to decide that 1) redistricting is a “political question” the courts can’t address and 2) “racist” redistricting is totally unacceptable and the courts can do anything to stop it. Or phrased in a different way, the courts decided that Democrats can gerrymander to their heart’s content because they’re totally not racist.

    • Rebel Scum

      The picture made the rounds on Twitter accompanied by a claim Cafferty was making a “white power” hand gesture made popular by white supremacists groups.

      *flashes “OK” gesture*

      • Cy

        Now give him a batwing!

      • leon

        Guy is a Mexican American. What do you think the odds are that they person who turned him in is White College Chick?

        Modern leftism has enabled oppression of minorities in the name Anit-Racisim.

      • juris imprudent

        “that some say”

        Is Wayne Brady gonna have to cut a bitch?

    • Toxteth O’Grady

      I don’t know how Poway got into this BLM mess. It’s pretty conservative and before this was nationally best known for the synagogue shooting, which is how I learned that the mayor wears a cowboy hat. I can’t think of any local agitation there lately.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        And Ramona is even more rural and conservative. Hope he lawyers up.

        ‘NBC 7 spoke to the man who originally posted the picture on Twitter. He has since deleted his account and said he may have gotten “spun up” about the interaction and misinterpreted it. He says he never intended for Cafferty to lose his job.’

      • Ted S.

        Foreseeable consequences are not unintended.

    • leon

      NBC 7 spoke to the man who originally posted the picture on Twitter. He has since deleted his account and said he may have gotten “spun up” about the interaction and misinterpreted it. He says he never intended for Cafferty to lose his job.

      Fuck you. Maybe you should lose your job for being a piece of shit?

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        jinx

    • Idle Hands

      jfc.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Uffda.

      Just fucking uffda.

  13. Rebel Scum

    Anti-fa’s hatred of freedom and liberal principles ensures that they are working towards fascism.

    I have said from the beginning that they are actually pro-fascism.

    • leon

      They are communists. I don’t see why wee need to help communists keep their brand from being tarnished by these guys by calling them fascists.

    • Drake

      The pawns on the street are too stupid to know what they are for or against – much less the differences between socialism and fascism.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        “A movement is pioneered by men of words, materialized by fanatics and consolidated by men of action.” – Hoffer

        We’re moving into the fanatic stage.

      • Idle Hands

        this. Hoffer is the best. The men of action part isn’t too concerning as of yet, but they will come.

  14. Drake

    3 years ago today an Antifa pawn tried to assassinate enough Republican members of Congress to change the balance of power.

    • Cy

      He should’ve waited a few years. Today, he’s just a heroic ‘protester!’

      • Pope Jimbo

        Not sure we are that far gone.

        I think he’d be labeled as a “mostly peaceful protester” if he pulled that malarkey today.

    • leon

      Three years ago today brave law enforcement officers saved my life when my colleagues and I were attacked on the baseball field.

      No thanks to Rand. He should have blown that guy away with his Libertarian Nuclear Arsenal.

      • Viking1865

        Rand’s libertarian cred from that incident and from the lawn mower incident is super low.

        It’s baseball practice. You get one of those baseball bags with the long pocket for bats, and you keep a rifle in there. Carry your bat in your hand. A true libertarian would have brought fire on that SOB.

      • Chipwooder

        Didn’t he get jumped from behind in the lawnmower attack, though?

      • DOOMco

        It would have been a penalty in football or lacrosse. Definitely the blindside

      • Viking1865

        A true libertarian mows his lawn with orphans. He merely sits in a comfortable chair, enjoying the sun, with a weapon close to hand.

      • Brochettaward

        Didn’t he get jumped from behind in the lawnmower attack, though?

        Ahem…it’s called a Jap-tackle.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Instead of slurping on the nightstick, ending qualified immunity, federal forfeiture, and repealing victimless federal crimes would be the best way to honor the honest cops.

  15. PieInTheSky

    Say what you will about The Legion of the Archangel Michael, at least Romania has some Orthodox Mysticism to give flavor to the fash

  16. UnCivilServant

    Moral quandry.

    Do I politely repeat myself when someone responds to an email asking a question which was answered quite plainly in the original message?

    I mean they didn’t read it the first time…

    • Toxteth O’Grady

      Nearly always best to start off polite; you can always descend gradually or suddenly into fisticuffs later.

      • Toxteth O’Grady

        (That is, gently pointedly polite.)

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Referring to my previous email for guidance on this issue, I suggest that an improvement of your reading skills will solve the problem at hand.

    • Plisade

      Sometimes I copy/paste the answer from down-thread and put it in quotes. This is reserved for repeat offenders.

      • Plisade

        Or should that be up-thread, like upstream?

      • leon

        Back when i was a real asshole, i would screen cap the answer to their question and send them that.

      • Pope Jimbo

        What do you do now that you’ve evolved into a super asshole?

      • leon

        Now i just pretend i didn’t hear their question and ignore them.

  17. R C Dean

    Well, if it wasn’t hot enough in Tucson, now we’re on fire.

    The Catalina Mountains north of Tucson have the “Bighorn” fire, which has now expanded to over 13,000 acres and is threatening the mountaintop community of Summerhaven. There are also evacuation and pre-evacuation orders for areas west and south(west) of the mountains, although I’m not sure if any evacuation orders are currently in effect.

    This is the smoke plume from a few days ago.

    This is what the south face of the Catalinas look like after the big DC-10 tanker dumped fire retardant to keep the fire away from the “front range”. Looks like a really bad photoshop, but its real.

    • UnCivilServant

      Someone took a line of pink spray paint to your mountain.

    • PieInTheSky

      climate disruption?

  18. LemonGrenade

    They’re calling for Wolf’s impeachmentfinally, someone’s taking a stand, although I have no clue if they stand any sort of chance. Now do Northam!

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      About fucking time. Wolf was thumbing his nose at the Legislature.

      • LemonGrenade

        I had finally gotten over the worst of my lockdown rage, and then the BLM protests started, and all the governors threw social distancing concerns out the window… and then continued to keep people and businesses locked down. And I’m back to full blown rage again.

    • leon

      I had forgotten about that. Impeachment for plainly disobeying the laws seems fair.

    • Sean

      Good.

    • DEG

      There was talk of impeaching Gauleiter Wolf a month or so ago, but it went nowhere.

      I hope this attempt goes someplace.

      There was also talk of impeaching Gauleiterin Mills in Maine but that talk also went nowhere.

      I see nothing about the court wrangling between the legislature and Gauleiter Wolf. Anyone see anything about that? I know Gauleiter Wolf wants the state Supreme Court to rule immediately. That was the last I heard.

    • Viking1865

      “Now do Northam”

      The Republican Party of Virginia thinks Bill Kristol and Mitt Romney are overly skeptical of Our Good Friends Across the Aisle.

      • Chipwooder

        They’re gonna throw away VA-5 because their noses are out of joint about Riggleman officiating a gay wedding. The VA GOP is the most incompetent, useless bunch of clowns on earth.

      • juris imprudent

        I’m pretty sure the CA GOP wrapped that title up years ago.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The GOP is fundamentally broken in this state.

      • leon

        So operating as designed?

      • Gustave Lytton

        Seen it play out here just like that. As the state gets bluer and bluer, the Rs shrink down in competence and start circling the drain. My cynical explanation is most politicians are opportunists and in a blue dominated state, that’s where they gravitate to leaving the nuts jobs and losers in the remainder. In a more balanced or red state, those same opportunists would be proudly GOP.

      • kbolino

        See also: the country as a whole and the RNC.

    • Nephilium

      Good. Now let me know when PA is going to open up so I can plan a vacation.

      • juris imprudent

        That’s what kills me about the so-called Green Phase of re-opening – it is still substantially restricted.

      • Nephilium

        I also need Maryland and Virginia to open up for the trip I’m planning. I’ve noticed the B&B’s on the route are showing availability and pricing (I haven’t stepped through to confirm if they’re actually accepting reservations yet).

      • Trolleric the Goth

        exactly this – “Green” phase is nowhere near normal. What comes after green? that hasn’t even been broached.

      • Viking1865

        If the people Do The Right Thing and restore the country to the Noble and Selfless Rule of the Democratic Party, the restrictions will be lifted.

      • juris imprudent

        And the chocolate ration will be increased!

  19. Rebel Scum

    Honk Honk

    On Friday, the Mount Ascutney School District Board voted unanimously to suspend (with pay) Tiffany Riley, according to VTDigger. Board Chair Elizabeth Burrows said “We do not intend to hire her back […] we wanted to make sure we acted as quickly as we possibly could.”

    Sounds very serious. So what did Riley say that was so incredibly offensive? This:

    “I firmly believe that Black Lives Matter, but I DO NOT agree with the coercive measures taken to get to this point across; some of which are falsified in an attempt to prove a point. While I want to get behind BLM, I do not think people should be made to feel they have to choose black race over human race. While I understand the urgency to feel compelled to advocate for black lives, what about our fellow law enforcement? What about all others who advocate for and demand equity for all? Just because I don’t walk around with a BLM sign should not mean I am a racist.”

    According to Valley News, Riley has been principal at the Windsor School since 2015. Her remarks led to “outrage” in the community and to calls for her resignation.

    • DOOMco

      Vermont gonna Vermont.

      • Ted S.

        Unless anybody in that school district works at Dartmouth, it’s likely 100% white.

      • IntraveneousWoodChipper

        “100% whits”

        That makes the urge to signal that one isn’t a racist all the stronger. No other way to prove it.

    • Chipwooder

      Submit to the mob or lose everything – this must be that “new normal” I’ve been hearing so much about.

  20. PieInTheSky

    Hey tarran if you don’t say nothing it means you hate Armenians (Kardashians in particular but not only)

    • Mojeaux

      Cher haz a sad.

      • Rhywun

        Can I hate Cher and the Kardashians without hating Armenians…? Are there any good ones?

      • Mojeaux

        They’re all gypsies, tramps, and thieves.

      • Caput Lupinum

        How about Dr. Kevorkian?

      • Mojeaux

        Also William Saroyan.

      • juris imprudent

        George Deukmejian, maybe the last good Republican governor of CA.

    • tarran

      Well, the Armenian kids in my 4th grade class did bully me pretty thoroughly……. At the time I didn’t understand why; for some reason the Armenian Genocide is completely absent from the government schools’ elementary curriculum.

  21. Plisade

    Thanks so much for clarifying so much! Great article.

  22. DEG

    Gauleiter Wolf named Ohio restaurant employee of the month.

    One Ohio restaurant has awarded a tongue-in-cheek honor to Pa. Gov. Tom Wolf.

    According to Erie News Now, Breakwall BBQ in Conneaut has named Wolf its employee of the month because his coronavirus pandemic shutdown of Erie County, which is still in the yellow phase of Wolf’s reopening plan, has forced customers out of the Keystone State and to owner Mike Morgan’s brisket shop.

    • Gender Traitor

      Did Smith & Wesson ever similarly name Obama their Salesman of the Year, or did I just imagine that?

  23. OBJ FRANKELSON

    So are we headed for a Heinlinian future? Will service guarantee citizenship? Would you like to know more?

    • Drake

      Sure – his utopian solution to commies versus nazis was very nice.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        I do think there is some merit to restricting the franchise to those that actively did something to get it and such action was strictly voluntary.

        Plus the Starship Troopers lore is that the world was in a state of chaos with leftists and righties in a state of open warfare and the military stepped in and imposed the “Service = Citizenship” paradigm.

        Of course, this depends on the military honchos surrendering power once they impose order. History does not bode well for that happening (Although, Pre-Erdoğan Turkey is an interesting exception where the military stepped when the government went off the rails and then returned power to the parliament once they had ousted the offending politician(s).

  24. Gustave Lytton

    Weirdest experience of reading a post on another website and realizing half way through it’s probably a glib (>98%).

      • Gustave Lytton

        Uh, no. For one it would be easy to dox myself. And it’s not just sounds like a glib, but somethings line up and a similar username to what they use here.

        (No, it’s not Civil Servants with Sexual Perversions Talkboard)

      • Gustave Lytton

        Another post. Approaching 100% now.

        This is so weird.

      • leon

        On the Book of Faces?

      • EvilSheldon

        *thinking about other places I use this username*

        Oh fuck…

      • grrizzly

        There’s a forum where I was suspended for a month. The suspension expired yesterday.

    • Sensei

      I had the same experience!

      I put together some comments here with comments at the other site.

    • bacon-magic

      I just posted a link to this glibbening to fb. My avatar is the same there.

  25. Chipwooder

    Tim Kaine remains a goddamned dolt

    The Hill
    @thehill
    · 41m
    Sen. Tim Kaine: “The United States didn’t inherit slavery from anybody. We created it.”

    • UnCivilServant

      “We accept your resignation for abject incompetence, Citizen Kaine.”

    • PieInTheSky

      did you also invent it in Brazil and in the Arab world?

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        Don’t forget, you know, every empire since the dawn of civilization.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        I’ve been told time and time again that white people invented everything.

        So, yes.

      • tarran

        Don’t believe it HM. We whites didn’t invent! We stole. The only innovation is our tricknology!

      • Heroic Mulatto

        No one is white when you turn the bedroom lights off.

      • PieInTheSky

        I would not be so sure

      • Chipwooder

        Never been with an Irish girl, huh

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Only when mixed with French-Canadian.

      • Rebel Scum

        Do they glow?

      • Chipwooder

        Some of them are pale enough to be visible in a dark room, yes

      • PieInTheSky

        so if you photograph them nude in a dark room you get black and white photography?

      • juris imprudent

        More of an amber tintype effect.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        Or a Ukrainian girl circa 1987.

      • Breet Pharara

        Whites invented the concept of eating ass.

        It is known.

      • leon

        The Chinese can’t get mad. They had Gunpowder for centuries without taking advantage of it. They could have conquered Peru, but let the dang Spanish get away with it. Real Tortoise and Hair situation. If they really wanted to take credit for all their inventions, they should have colonized the world to make sure everyone knew who the OG inventor was.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’ve been told time and time again that white people didn’t invent anything and only appropriated it.

      • PieInTheSky

        Not even whiteness. That was invented by black people when they came to Europe.

      • PieInTheSky

        the Yamna were a bunch of invaders colonizer and oppressors of the Old Europe Matriarchal utopia. Mention them not!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Whites invented mayonnaise, that’s all that matters.

      • leon

        Most shameful thing they did.

    • Viking1865

      He sucks so fucking much.

    • leon

      Sen. Tim Kaine: “The United States didn’t inherit slavery from anybody. We created it.”

      Fact Check: Mostly True.

      While the instiution of slavery had been in Europe for Several Centuries, it was forbidden in England itself. There is some evidence of Native Americans holding prisoners as some kinds of slaves prior to the arrival of the Europeans. However when English settlers arrived in the American South, there was no institutionalized form of Chattel Slavery working on plantations. So The claim that the US Inherited Slavery in the South is ridiculous. They created it.

      • Chipwooder

        Well, for one thing, when chattel slavery began in North America, the United States was still about 150 years from its founding. The Portuguese were bringing in African slaves to Brazil decades before Jamestown was founded.

      • Drake

        When the Spanish showed up in Mexico, they were already selling slaves in the street. The Arabs had been importing African and European slaves for centuries.

      • Drake

        Extra points for ignoring the rest of the world (including the new world) and most of history.

      • Chipwooder

        Anyone who claims that Arabs were slave traders dating back to the ninth century is totally Islamophobic.

      • UnCivilServant

        Arabs were slave traders well before the rise of Islam.

      • PieInTheSky

        Muhammad abolished slavery though

      • Chipwooder

        Muhammad only forbade Muslim slaves. Slavery was a-ok for infidels.

      • PieInTheSky

        infidels are like kulaks and wreckers they have it coming.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        Slavery of Muslims, if I remember correctly. It would follow with the rest of the religions’ doctrine of treating non-Muslims in Islamic countries as second class citizens.

      • Viking1865

        Pshhh if the Arabs were enslaving the Africans, where are all the black Arabs?

      • PieInTheSky

        in wakanda

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        I don’t think the Arabs were particularly choosy about the skin color of who they enslaved. They were the first equal opportunity employer.

      • Plisade

        Galley slaves might have something to say about that.

    • leon

      Sen. Tim Kaine: “The United States didn’t inherit slavery from anybody. We created it

      Probably the part of this whole thing that i find the worst inaccuracy. Bitch, we didn’t do that. This is “when the fuck did we go get ice cream” moment.

    • Rebel Scum

      Have I mentioned that I loathe Tim Kaine?

  26. Mojeaux

    OT: Something I shared on FB years ago that still makes me laugh.

    After hours and hours of XY Tax Deduction running his mouth and being told repeatedly to be quiet:

    Me: “Look. You need to get some imaginary friends and talk to them.”

    XY: “I don’t have any.”

    Me: “Make some.”

    XY: “Well, I did have some, but they ran away.”

    Me: “Why?”

    XY: “I talked too much.”

    • leon

      As for the situation with the auto shop, Best said police had received a 911 of someone breaking windows with a hammer and the caller reported that his business was on fire.

      “The officers responded to the call and they observed the location from a distance. They did not see any signs of smoke or fire or anything else and they did not see a disturbance,” Best said.

      Protect and Serve!

      Whycome everyone thinks we’re fat, out of shape cowards?

    • Rhywun

      The police chief appears to be a liar.

    • leon

      Fugettabout it Gustave. It’s Pen-And-phone Town.

    • Rhywun

      The executive order doesn’t address broader concerns raised by police reform advocates about racism and racial stereotypes in policing.

      FAIL

    • Donation Not Taxation

      Gustave Lytton and leon

      ‘Fugettabout it Gustave. It’s Pen-And-phone Town.’

      TRIGGER WARNING: reason.com

      ‘Trump’s executive order has three components: using financial incentives to encourage that officers are trained and credentialed in the proper use of force, compiling a national database of police officers with multiple misconduct claims, and forming co-responder programs between police departments, social workers, and medical professionals to better address issues like addiction and homelessness. It would also ban chokeholds unless the officer’s life is at risk.’

      ‘Without Police, There Is Chaos’: Trump Signs Police Reform Executive Order
      It does not touch qualified immunity or police unions.

      Billy Binion | 6.16.2020 2:22 PM

      https://reason.com/2020/06/16/trump-police-reform-executive-order-qualified-immunity-police-unions/

    • DOOMco

      Oof

    • Gustave Lytton

      Prediction: within a couple of years, there will be a federally controlled credentialing system, possibly full training program, for all law enforcement officers.

      • Tundra

        Not Fed cops?

        No way they let this opportunity go to waste. I mean, the DHS had cops running security at a Twins game I went to, ffs.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        out of the palace,
        into the Ditch?
        Sup Tres!

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        nope, but that’s Terri Nunn he’s kissing

      • Tres Cool

        Terri Nunn nude pics are available if you look around the intertubes….just sayin’

        HEY YUFUS!

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        She was in Playboy before Berlin, I know………

      • Tres Cool

        Penthouse. Unlike Hefner being clasaay, Guccione got down to business, and she shows off the pink-sink.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Since the WP union negotiates pay, why did they sign an illegal contract that pays disparate amounts based on protected characteristics? Seems like the rank and file have grounds for filing lawsuits against the union for failure to represent.

    • Rhywun

      Go fuck yourself. My pay is none of your business.

    • leon

      The fact that the loss or gain of several billion dollars in a day is completely immaterial to Bezos’ life is a very good illustration of the concept of diminishing marginal utility, which essentially means that the more money you have, the less each extra dollar means to you

      It doesn’t follow however that the utility of that dollar is worth less to you than to some rando. You cannot compare utility calculations internationally

      • kbolino

        Forget across national borders, you can’t compare utility from person to person. If you could, then central planning would be a lot easier. And, if a billion dollars has low marginal utility to Bezos, one should wonder what marginal utility a trillion dollars has for the government.

      • leon

        Ooof. I meant to write Inter-personally.

  27. Sean

    https://thepostmillennial.com/mayor-celebrates-protests-vandalized-home

    Mayor of Olympia, Washington, Cheryl Selby, has been a vocal proponent of Black Lives Matter and backer of the protests that have spread across the country amid the death of George Floyd, but when these same people vandalized her home, she called it “domestic terrorism.”

    • leon

      “I’m really trying to process this,” Selby said. “It’s like domestic terrorism. It’s unfair.”

      “It hurts when you’re giving so much to your community,” she added.

      As Tulip says above: If only Comrade Stalin knew…

    • Gustave Lytton

      A Ford spokesman said the “date is purely coincidental.”/em>

      If it’s a white bronco, pull my other finger.

    • kbolino

      If it has more than 2 doors, it’s not a Bronco.

      • blighted_non_millenial

        It’s gonna have a 2 door and 4 door model. It’s basically a Wrangler fighter.

      • kbolino

        The 2-door still seems to be a rumor, but a rumor is better than a myth, which is what it was 4 months ago.

      • blighted_non_millenial

        I thought one of the leaks showed a 2 door. I could be wrong though.

    • Donation Not Taxation

      Cy,
      ‘That’s pretty funny:’
      Agreed.

  28. Tundra

    Thanks, tarran.

    Depressing, but I liked it anyway.

    I think the reason that fascism works (initially) in times of crisis is simply that most people yearn to be told what to do. When the shtf, they are helpless. Someone comes in with an aggressive (and simple) plan and it works. No ambiguity, a common goal, plenty of boogeymen to rally the workers.

    It’s staggering how so many people – left and right – are scared shitless of freedom.

    • juris imprudent

      People love having someone to blame, otherwise they might have to own up to their own responsibility.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Jesus. All of them should be fired.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      I’ve seen that one before. The female cop, probably being insecure and not confident, goes straight to eleven.

    • Rebel Scum

      I get he was a little worked up, but bitch shouldn’t have drawn the gun.

      • Viking1865

        Yeah but honestly, once you say “I have a gun in the car” you need to at a bare minimum become absolutely slothlike in your movements, and absolutely zenlike calm in your tone. Getting defiant and talking with your hands is incredibly dangerous.

        I don’t have an issue with her drawing, I do have an issue with her aiming the weapon at him. The low ready is the appropriate posture there.

    • Idle Hands

      JFC. Don’t ever argue with the pigs. That’s for later, can beat the charges can’t beat the ride. But seriously that bitch has no business being on the force.

      • Idle Hands

        In the words of Samuel L Jackson “Tell that bitch to be cool. Say bitch be cool.”

  29. Toxteth O’Grady

    Was thinking along the same lines. See also lockdownsceptics.org lest anyone despair too much about our old-country cousins.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      What’s a lockdown?
      /Smartass Redneck

  30. wdalasio

    Good article. One thing that I don’t understand, though, is how Antifa or their paymasters think they can successfully destabilize American society with violence. This is a country with more guns than people. Even in a state as left-of-center as, say Oregon or Washington, all a sufficiently vicious governor would have to do to shut them down would be to declare Antifa season with no bag limit.

    Maybe normalizing their behavior is all the goal is, at this point. Establish that Antifa isn’t something that isn’t allowed to be suppressed. And give them time to move up the ranks of the system.

    • kbolino

      Simple. The police will give Antifa a pass while still confiscating other people’s guns.

    • Don Escaped any Landslide

      I asked a similar thing on the Saturday Zoom: are they all so smart that while prowling and assaulting none ever comes up against someone who simply pops a cap in his ass?

      • leon

        A few have, but Antifa is most prevalent in places where people are generally disarmed. You don’t see Antifa routinely marching down Delta, UT. Also, it is (was?) generally easy to steer clear of Antifa. Don’t go to a protest where they will be. Antifa types tend to only be violent when going around in their groups.

      • Akira

        A few have, but Antifa is most prevalent in places where people are generally disarmed.

        And where a higher portion of the local population generally agrees with them.

    • Rhywun

      All you have to do is destabilize the coasts, specifically the major cities. That is where all the power is.

      • juris imprudent

        It won’t be when they fuck themselves up enough. The rest of us will be happy to tell them to pound sand and enjoy the ride they bought.

      • wdalasio

        That is where all the power is.

        Only in the context of a stable society. That’s sort of the problem. As you destabilize the coasts they exert less influence over the rest of the country. And technology only seems to be favoring further decentralization from the population centers. Think about it. Forty years ago, the county’s top financial institutions were all centralized in one city, New York. Today, Charlotte, a city that was a minor player at the time, is probably more of a center for finance than NYC is.

      • Akira

        Not to mention that much of the food, electricity, and manufacturing is done outside of major cities.

        IF battle lines were drawn between major coastal cities and the rest of the country, both sides would hurt for a while since they both depend on each other for various things… But the rural people can survive on their own easier than the city people can. The cities would be full of starving people sitting in cold, dark rooms.

    • Donation Not Taxation

      Bully (unofficial) = victim (official). Self defense (unofficial) = attacking someone deserving sympathy (official). Criminal prosecution + media outcry. Repeat until attacks against Antifa rare -> zero.

  31. bacon-magic

    Awesome article Tarran. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  32. GlowKing

    First of all, I disagree with the author’s premise of “the heart of fascism” being “the willingness to marshal the entire forces of a society against an enemy and a willingness to do what is needed to be done to annihilate it.”

    The goal of fascism is more closely: “the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure and to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture, and the expansion of the nation into an empire.”

    Second, I’m not sure what the point was to bring up syndicalism. I guess the article has to somehow tie fascism to leftist theory. This doesn’t make sense though because their example: Mussolini, though he started as a left-syndicalist, had pretty much entirely abandoned those principles by the mid-1930s and placed majority control of the Italian economy in the hands of the state.

    Third, I find it laughable that the article suggests: “The pay-masters who direct and control Anti-Fa are securely embedded in the eco-system of NGO’s that promote socialism.” and “Some find it a lucrative, mercenary profession.”
    Citations needed, please. What kind of funding is Antifa receiving? Any evidence? Where are people striking it rich?

    Finally, the stated end goals of Antifa are silly and not based in reality. Their goals aren’t destabilization of society. Their goal is to make fascists, nazis, racists, and white supremacists fearful of public backlash when they decided to gather or organize. If those groups feel unsafe publically identifying with those messages or feel humiliated, they will lose power and following.