Afternoon Links and Subject Report

by | Jul 14, 2020 | Daily Links | 324 comments

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Report of 14 JUL 20 – Subject, SWISS SMITH test

Experimental serum administered by Mad Scientist and OMWC to lab mouse subject “RAPERNON” has caused increase in aggressiveness. And rape. RAPERNON has raped everything in its cage – food dish, water bottle, exercise wheel. Attempted to rape lab assistants hand when fresh wood shavings were placed in cage. We have reason to believe same will occur with subject SWISS SMITH.

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“Dayum…look at him go.” Mad Scientist was shaking his head admiringly.

“Looks like this is stronger than we thought” OMWC muttered as he looked down at a vial of serum.

Muffled crunching sounded from the cell area. A faint whiff of ozone was in the air.

“We tried giving him things to comfort him – imagine raping the fondue and eating the fondue pot?!”

“Compared to what he did to the raclette and that poor kirschwasser bottle…”

“SWISS SMITH BORED. NEED MORE DO. BY DO, MEAN RAPE!”

“Maybe we overdid this a bit?”

“All in the name of Science, my dear OMWC.”

“At least he did the links before this last…outburst”

  1. THIS NOT CREEPY AT ALL. EXPECT IT GET MORE SNEER FUNCTION AND BE AT DRIVER’S LICENSE FACILITY SOON!
  2. YOU THINK SERVER SQUIRREL BAD??
  3. TOO LATE! SPACE SMITH ALREADY VISIT EARTH! BY VISIT, MEAN…

[to be continued]

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324 Comments

  1. Count Potato

    Flowers for Raperon?

    • hayeksplosives

      Glad I’m not the only weirdo who thought of Algernon.

      • Gdragon

        CHARLY SMITH? 😉

    • Chafed

      Wow! The very rare double GIF. Take a bow CP.

  2. Count Potato

    “A human-like robot designed to look and act like a female”

    /50% of British tabloid articles

    • Not Adahn

      Wait, like an actual female? Or a computer programmer’s idea of what a female acts like?

      • Apples and Knives

        Hopefully the later.

      • C. Anacreon

        +1 Weird Science

  3. Count Potato

    “They also stressed “responsible exploration” and the need to reduce humans’ footprint in outer space.”

    How is that going to make space great?

    • Not Adahn

      In space, nobody can track your footprints.

      Because your feet are just kind of floating there and aren’t touching anything to either displace or leave material which is what “footprint” means.

      • Count Potato

        I think they are including the Moon and planets.

    • EvilSheldon

      If life is going to imitate art, it could do worse than Kings of the High Frontier…

    • Tulip

      Why do we need to reduce our footprint? Serious question.

      • DEG

        We don’t. How much out there is from humans? Not much.

    • Overt

      These fucking scolds are going to RUIN space exploration. Mark my words. All that awesome SciFi about asteroid mining and teraforming? No. Fucking. Way. They will make “International Parks” out of the entire asteroid belt. How dare humanity strip mine that virgin asteroid. That 7 quadrillion tons of iron needs to stay here for future posterity.

      • UnCivilServant

        Someone is going to just ignore them.

  4. juris imprudent

    There’s a whole Young Frankenstein storyline developing here.

    I say it will be OMWC, with great exasperation thundering “sedagive”?

    • Chipwooder

      So who has the “what knockers!”?

      • Count Potato

        She was hot on Star Trek too.

    • Chipwooder

      Young Teri Garr had a terrific body.

      • DEG

        YES

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I bet she liked to party too.

    • Chipwooder

      “Eye-gor, would you help me with the bags?”

      “Soitenly – you take the blonde, I’ll take the one in the toiban!”

  5. Count Potato

    “Last month, NASA promised to pay tribute to health-care workers fighting our global contaminant, the coronavirus, by including a memorial placard on the Perseverance rover during the next Martian expedition.”

    OFFS!

    • Chipwooder

      If they’re getting that, then can we at least insist on no more dancing nurses TikTok videos?

      • Count Potato

        It looks like TikTok get get banned for spyware.

      • Count Potato

        My typing looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.

      • TARDIS

        What do you make of this?

    • Chafed

      I’ve had it with the hero worship. Health care workers aren’t fighting anything. No guns. No knives. No fisticuffs. They aren’t even spraying Agent Orange.

      They are doing their jobs. They get paid. Patients ought to be saying thank you. That’s it.

    • Jarflax

      “One particular concern for the two agencies as they prepare for upcoming missions to the moon, Mars and potentially Venus: extra-terrestrial contaminants brought back to Earth. They also stressed “responsible exploration” and the need to reduce humans’ footprint in outer space.”

      Ecowoke ‘science’. Say goodbye to the space age. It has been skinsuited.

  6. Deplorableme

    “The robot, which wears the registry office uniform of white shirt and brown waistcoat, can recreate more than 600 human facial expressions by moving its eyes, eyebrows and lips and other mechanical muscles covered with artificial skin”

    Is Russia perfecting the Sexbot?

    • kinnath

      No. That robot doesn’t come close to the slavic beauties that I saw in Moscow in the 90s.

      • Ted S.

        When I was in Russia in 1992, all the women were wearing too much makeup.

      • kinnath

        Can’t say that I noticed. From 94 to 97, attractive young ladies were wearing see-through tops (in the brief summer months).

      • Chafed

        Pics?

      • kinnath

        Just memories.

        The 90s were still not a great time for an American to be walking around Russia snapping photos.

    • Agent Cooper

      You know who else wore brown waistcoats?

  7. Rebel Scum

    Are you prepared to be Oprahssed?

    Oprah Winfrey is partnering with Lionsgate to turn The New York Times’s 1619 Project into feature films and television programs. …

    Much of the 1619 Project is repackaged critical race theory, which argues that America and its laws, systems, and institutions are innately racist. This effort to extend The New York Times’s reeducation program into popular culture is particularly dangerous because stories have the power to change minds through emotion instead of reason. …

    Lionsgate CEO Jon Feltheimer said, “For many Americans, ‘The 1619 Project’ was a great awakening and a true history that you probably never learned in school.” Two Lionsgate chairmen applauded the 1619 Project for “challenging the entire history we thought we knew, revealing the true role of slavery and the impact of racial prejudice in shaping the America of today.”

    Oprah also praised the project: “From the first moment I read ‘The 1619 Project’ and immersed myself in Nikole Hannah-Jones’s transformative work, I was moved, deepened and strengthened by her empowering historical analysis.”

    • Count Potato

      Wasn’t that thing basically debunked as bullshit?

      • Rebel Scum

        Yes, but the point is that she is going to be producing movies based on that premise and people believe what they see in entertainment media.

      • Count Potato

        Because they’re idiots?

      • Bobarian LMD

        I’m not sure why you put a question mark in that statement.

      • Jarflax

        It doesn’t require an idiot. If a movie is entertaining you suspend disbelief and your brain processes it as a story. Add enough stories that support a narrative and people start internalizing the narrative. See virtually everything the young left believes. The schools flesh out the impression with BS evidence, but the underlying impression is crafted by the motifs that get stressed in fiction.

      • Not Adahn

        How many people know anything about Salieri other than “he killed Mozart?”

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        *chuckle*

      • DEG

        I think the Mozarthaus in Vienna staff have a love/hate relationship with that movie. There were more a than placards/descriptions of items/what-have-you that hinted that the museum loved all the business they received from people that saw that movie but also were tired of correcting people who had seen the movie.

      • Not Adahn

        That’s my all time favorite movie.

        And considering how his career vanished after winning Best actor in the film that won Best picture, F. Murray Abraham must be an absolute asshole.

        He was good in By the Sword though. Easily outclassing Julia Robert’s brother and the chick from Time Cop

      • C. Anacreon

        Not only did F. Murray vanish, but co-star as Mozart, Tom Hulce (also Pinto in Animal House) seemingly disappeared as well.

        I got to meet Hulce at an event about ten years ago. Poor guy had to be over 300 pounds and had a full gray beard. The only way you could tell it was him was his eyes.

      • Chipwooder

        It’s fake but accurate.

      • Not Adahn

        Bourgeois “facts” cannot stand before the might of revolutionary truth, comrade potato.

      • B.P.

        Yeah, but they’re going to plow ahead anyway. Anything not useful to The Narrative can be safely ignored.

      • Overt

        “Wasn’t that thing basically debunked as bullshit?”

        And nothing else happened.

        Other than the originator saying “Yeah our premise was flawed, but this is very very totes important.”

        And then the curriculum was released to public schools around the country.

        And now Oprah is going to make these movies.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      It must be nice to be able to net $2.6B selling cult bullshit to stupid white women. We’re so racist, we made her a gazillionaire.

    • Chafed

      I’ll bet this grosses a fraction of what they expect. Beyond the NYT and MSNBC staff, there won’t be a lot of people interested in this drivel.

      Oprah is still a draw but her involvement is no guarantee of success. See: A Wrinkle In Time.

      • Nephilium

        Again? Do I have to?

  8. DEG

    The robot has been designed to look like an average Russian woman, the company behind the project Promobot said. Its facial features were generated by artificial intelligence based on analysing the appearance of several thousand females.

    Need pics to determine if it is more or less real than a RealDoll.

    They also stressed “responsible exploration” and the need to reduce humans’ footprint in outer space.

    Oh boy.

    • dbleagle

      What bullshit. In the entire span of the solar system there are only five man made objects that have/will escape. We have landed or crashed on only a handful of bodies ( three planets, two moons, four asteroids and two comets) of which only Mars has some chance of current life. The space agencies take care to not have Earth life on landers since it may screw up experimentation. But worrying about contaminating a planet with Earth based life when landing on the live kiln of Venus or burning to a crisp entering Saturn’s atmosphere is beyond silly.

      • Count Potato

        What’s the other moon?

      • Count Potato

        Thanks, that’s awesome.

        Although I hate the sappy music they use for those things.

      • Suthenboy

        “The space agencies take care to not have Earth life on landers”

        The Rooskies found some gunk growing on the outer skin of their space station or some craft, I forget which.
        In a vacuum alternating between full, unfiltered blasts of sunlight and near absolute zero temps….life found a way.

    • hayeksplosives

      What do you wanna bet that all the incumbents who passed this will all be re-elected anyway?

    • leon

      Seattle really loves its citizens!

      • Bobarian LMD

        The act of love. STEVE STYLE.

    • Ted S.

      Payroll tax on jobs making 150k or more. But guess who’s exempt? Government workers, of course.

      How can that be consitutional? And how will the courts deny people standing?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      That’s a major fuck you to all the business owners who just went thru the riots without any protection from the city. I’d be looking to burn down city hall.

      • Idle Hands

        I honestly can’t believe their hasn’t been violence against any of these gov officials given how divisive everything is. For as murderous and heavily armed as the right supposedly is it sure seems like they are far more patient and understanding. Pretty sure every official beaten or attacked has come from left activists in the past months.

    • Idle Hands

      Welll of course not all gov workers are underpaid relative to their peers in the private sector so they couldn’t actually make more than 150k.

      • Derpetologist

        You can’t spell “underpaid” without “derp”!

  9. hayeksplosives

    The bubonic plague hanging out in prairie dog populations and jumping occasionally to squirrels or other rodents is not uncommon—happens every few years.

    Sounds like they’re trying to milk the story for maximum panic.

    People almost never get it due to modern hygiene. Fortunately even if you get it, take a little antibiotic, and you’re right as rain.

    • Not Adahn

      they’re trying to milk the story for maximum panic.

      The Hell you say!

    • B.P.

      Correct. It happens reasonably frequently here in Colorado. And this part from the article is simply not true:

      “The sick squirrel was found in the city of Morrison, southwest of Denver, although it is the first case of the plague ever to have been recorded in Jefferson County.”

      This comes directly from a Jefferson County Environmental Health Services brochure on plague:

      “…Prairie dogs (Jefferson County has had numerous outbreaks of plague in prairie dogs)”

      Also from the Daily Mail article:

      “Humans are able to be infected with plague by getting flea bites or from being coughed on by an infected animal.”

      I get grossed out when a squirrel coughs on me.

      • Not Adahn

        But they’re so cute!

      • Tulip

        Those destructive little fuckers are not cute. HAATE them

      • TARDIS

        Agreed. Fuck them. We had squirrel piss running down the walls in to corner of my son’s room. There were three separate nests in my attic. I’d rather have snakes.

      • UnCivilServant

        Snakres at least eat the mice.

    • Gadianton

      This. I remember when I was a Boy Scout on camping trips we were warned not to get close to the chipmunks/ground squirrels because they carried the plague.

  10. DEG

    NH Mask Insanity

    1) Nashua mask mandate stands.

    “Here, it is obvious that the purpose of the ordinance is to slow or prevent the spread of a highly contagious and deadly virus. In other words, the ordinance is clearly for the well-being of the city’s residents, visitors and businesses,” wrote Judge Jacalyn Colburn of Hillsborough County Superior Court South in Nashua, adding the Board of Aldermen has the general authority to enact laws protecting health, welfare and public safety.

    “It seems common sense — to everyone except the plaintiff, his attorney and his expert — that requiring individuals to cover their faces while indoors will help reduce the transmission of a highly contagious virus that is spread through the air,” ruled Colburn.

    2) Portsmouth passes resolution encouraging mask wearing

    City councilors in Portsmouth unanimously passed a resolution Monday night that encourages the use of face coverings citywide.

    The resolution requires face coverings for the mouth and nose when 6 feet of social distancing cannot be achieved. It will not apply to anyone with a condition that makes it impractical to wear a face mask or visor for health-related reasons.

    The resolution will not apply to anyone 6 or younger.

    Assistant Major Jim Splaine and City Councilor Deaglan McEachern proposed the resolution, saying it is time to do something to protect public health.

    The Fourth of July weekend kicked off what could potentially be a busy tourism season downtown.

    “Business just happens to be a product of health,” McEachern said.

    The proposed resolution does not include any fines or penalties and will not be enforced by city officials.

    • hayeksplosives

      The resolution will not apply to anyone 6 or younger.

      So the population most likely to cough and sneeze uncovered, most likely to wipe eyes, nose, and mouth and then touch other surfaces, is exempt?

      I swear, coming through the airports, they were teeming with the under 6 “superspreaders” everywhere.

      Let’s face it; it’s going to come down to individual immune systems battling this one out. Some of us will not make it, but most will.

    • Surly Knott

      But what is Innsmouth doing about the virus?

      • DEG

        I know New Hampshire has changed in some ways to become North Massachusetts, but Innsmouth is in Massachusetts.

      • Surly Knott

        I wasn’t sure and decided to just go for it.

        Have you seen this? It’s marvelous, but might as well be unobtainium. I had a copy for a few years and a friend has one.

      • DEG

        No, I have not seen that. It looks interesting and expensive.

        I have the Nightshade Books collection of Clark Ashton Smith books (first volume here) in hardback. I got it through a subscription when Nightshade first put the collection together. I see the hardback editions are much more expensive than that subscription was/

      • Suthenboy

        I dont think fish can catch it.

      • Bobarian LMD

        If you have “queer narrow heads with flat noses and bulgy, stary eyes”, then masks don’t fit very well.

        Not sure that Deep Ones can catch the ‘Rona anyway.

    • mrfamous

      Excellent #1 draft pick on the Free State Project guys!

    • R C Dean

      It seems common sense

      So did dunking witches. I thought we were supposed to rely on science.

  11. Bobarian LMD

    SWISS SMITH screamy beverage.

  12. Count Potato

    “New York Times opinion editor writer Bari Weiss has announced she has quit in a scathing resignation letter that slams the newspaper for fostering an ‘illiberal environment’ and allowing her to be bullied by coworkers for ‘wrongthink’.

    Weiss, who joined the Times in 2017, said the paper of record was among the media institutions now betraying their standards and losing sight of their principles as she accused them of only publishing stories that ‘satisfy the narrowest of audiences’.

    In her lengthy resignation letter addressed to publisher A.G. Sulzberger and posted on her website on Tuesday, Weiss claimed that intellectual curiosity and risk-taking was now a ‘liability’ at the Times.

    The controversial editor and writer said the opinions of those on Twitter had become the newspaper’s ‘ultimate editor’.

    Weiss, who once dated SNL’s Kate McKinnon while studying at Columbia University, also accused the outlet of creating a ‘hostile work environment’ for employees that essentially had anything other than left-of-center views.

    She says this mentality resulted in her being constantly bullied by coworkers who have called her a ‘Nazi and a racist’ because of her ‘own forays into wrongthink’.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8522417/NYT-opinion-writer-Bari-Weiss-resigns-scathing-letter.html

    I remember seeing fluff pieces about her, and now this.

    • B.P.

      Being called a Nazi at work. Unless you’re working at the Reich Chancellery, that doesn’t sound like a healthy work environment.

      • Not Adahn

        And the guy that writes the gynecological articles for New York Magazine has resigned too.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Andrew Sullivan?

      • B.P.

        Bam!

    • Idle Hands

      I can’t get worked up over this one. She grates me. although I did laugh out loud at this one “I have learned to brush off comments about how I’m ‘writing about the Jews again” lmao.

      • Idle Hands

        For all the shit the new right gets I don’t think anyone mainstreams jew hatred like the left.

      • hayeksplosives

        Including some instances of self hate.

    • R C Dean

      I read the whole letter. If she sues, as she strongly implies she will, the NYT is fucked. Not only does she have a strong claim (based on her account, at least), the discovery process would be epic and incredibly painful. They’d be fools not to settle, and that means they are going to have dig deep to settle.

      I do wonder if she’s right when she says “Even now, I am confident that most people at The Times do not hold these views.”

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Weiss, who once dated SNL’s Kate McKinnon

      I did not know that.

      Love CCWC. Ever notice he resembles Bubba Wallace (or v.v.)?

  13. dbleagle

    Bubonic plague cases arise every year on the Navajo/Hopi/Zuni reservations (AZ, NM, CO, UT). It can be treated easily with antibiotics, if promptly administered. Health care workers of the Four Corners region are aware of it and treat it. Hantavirus comes from the same rodents pool and infects ~200,000 people a year. Including the same reservation complex.

    But I give 2020 some due. If a Bubonic reservoir was going to develop in a new area this was the year it would happen.

    • Fourscore

      I caught the Lyme Disease or rather it caught me, about 5-6 weeks ago. I spent about 5 days of misery with the symptoms before I remembered the critter bite. Go to the Dr, got 21 days’ worth of antibiotics and now ready for an alligator, albeit a small one. The symptoms had dissipated by the time I saw the doc but he urged the meds anyway.

      I’d had the same disease about 20 years ago with totally different symptoms. I think that some problems may reoccur but hard to tell since it may be the calendar. Who knows?

    • Agent Cooper

      We are only paying attention to the news about diseases more due to Pandemic Panic.

  14. Rebel Scum

    Accurate depictions of history are racist, mmkay.

    A recently filed lawsuit may prevent the University of Kentucky from removing its Memorial Hall mural as planned.

    University President Eli Capilouto announced in June that the school would take down a historically inspired mural that depicts enslaved Africans and Native Americans, saying that African American students considered the mural racist and a reminder that their ancestors were slaves. The art “sought to glorify and sanitize that fact,” Capilouto wrote, concluding that the school could not have adequately thoughtful discussions about reconciliation with the mural still on display.

    The mural, according to the New York Times, is a fresco created in 1934 by Ann Rice O’Hanlon and is made up of individual images that serve to illustrate the history of the state. Among these vignettes is a group of enslaved people growing tobacco plants and a Native American man with a tomahawk.

    “There is rarely a perfect solution to challenging issues,” Capilouto wrote. “But it [removing the mural] is the right one, I believe, for our campus at this moment and in the years to come.”

    • Rhywun

      —The art “sought to glorify and sanitize that fact,”

      OFFS

      • Count Potato

        Still in the hospital?

        I hope you are feeling better.

      • Chafed

        #MeToo

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        me 3

      • Surly Knott

        #ialso

      • TARDIS

        #me 0010

      • Rhywun

        Yeap tks for all the wellwishes

    • B.P.

      Kentucky Derpy

      “…saying that African American students considered the mural racist and a reminder that their ancestors were slaves.”

      These days, isn’t the central mission of a university to remind everyone of slavery, 24/7/365?

    • hayeksplosives

      What a huge contrast to Germany facing its past! Germany absolutely talks about the harsh truth of the Holocaust as a reminder never to let it happen again.

      But slavery is off limits for discussion of history?? That helps no one.

      • Count Potato

        How else are the Democrats going to bring it back?

    • The Other Kevin

      After the Epstein job attracted so much attention, it might take a little more time to get into that prison.

      • DEG

        You beat me to it.

      • Drake

        Same thought. That right there should be valid grounds for appeal.

      • Viking1865

        The Ivy League lawyers who torched a cop car with a Molotov on camera managed to get bail.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Got to give them enough to figure out how to off her without getting caught.

      And enough time to bury the evidence.

      And enough time to get past the election.

      etc….

    • B.P.

      “…until her July 2021 trial…”

      I don’t think she’ll be waiting around that long.

    • Chafed

      Priceless.

  15. Ozymandias

    Nice job, TPTB.
    Poor Swissy, we hardly knew Ye.

  16. Suthenboy

    1. They spent the video time with the camera on humans flapping their gums. We barely got a good look at the robot.

    2. Meh. We get a few cases of BP every year from rodents…usually prairie dogs.

    3. No critters visiting earth for more than five minutes will survive. Too many native bugs and viruses.

    • Count Potato

      The video wouldn’t work for me.

      Anyway, viruses target specific cells. I’m no exobiologist, but I’m sure earth viruses would have no effect on alien life.

      • Drake

        Bacteria and fungi would probably be more dangerous.

      • Suthenboy

        Some alien life would likely have a similar molecular structure to earth life and with billions of viruses here that isn’t a chance alien Suthenboy would be willing to take.

      • Mad Scientist

        H.G. Wells agrees.

  17. Rebel Scum

    Someone needs to tell the woke mob to fuck off.

    The George Washington University Black Student Union is actively campaigning for renaming the university, Madison Hall, and the Churchill Center. The union references the university’s recently approved “new renaming framework that requires 500+ signatures from the GW community.”

    In a statement justifying their campaign, the BSU claims that James Madison “perpetuated and advanced systemic oppression and the societal mistreatment of African Americans.” The union does recognize that Madison ostensibly “stood for liberty and justice,” but concludes that his actions in owning slaves discredit “all of his political and social beliefs.”

    Regarding Washington, the BSU disparages the school’s “Colonial Moniker,” claiming, “colonialism has been historically and contemporaneously built upon usurping land, labor, and autonomy from racialized communities through dehumanizing violence and suppression.”

    • Count Potato

      Churchill, the guy who fought actual nazis.

    • Raven Nation

      Given what I know about GWU, I’d guess most of the faculty will support this.

  18. Derpetologist

    Hmm. The Big Green Machine is changing the rifle qualification standard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkZQIUYq_-Q

    gist – there will be targets at 6 distances which will be shot at with 6 mags holding 5 rounds each

    It seems to be more like the pistol qualification course now.

    Patton said he didn’t like known distance ranges because in practice the best you can do is aim at the muzzle flashes and in urban terrain you’re often shooting up or down at a steep angle.

    I wrote on my blog a few years ago:

    ***
    In the late 1940s, the US Army formed the Operations Research Office to study battle reports from the two world wars. One of the findings was:

    “that most combat takes place at short range. In a highly mobile war, combat teams ran into each other largely by surprise; and the team with the higher firepower tended to win. They also found that the chance of being hit in combat was essentially random; accurate “aiming” made little difference because the targets no longer sat still. The number one predictor of casualties was the total number of bullets fired.”

    This conclusion is what spurred the military to equip the infantry with high-capacity, rapid-fire rifles. However, recruits are still trained on how to fire at stationary targets hundreds of meters away. That kind of training makes sense for snipers but infantry are usually much closer to the enemy in battle.

    Furthermore, ammo use statistics show that in war, only a small percent of rounds fired actually hit the enemy. In the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, US forces fired 250,000 rounds per enemy killed. In the Vietnam, that figure was 50,000, and during WW2 it was 20,000. Conversely, snipers fire a little over 1 round per enemy killed.

    Seems to me that if the goal is to kill as many of the enemy as possible, the time and resources spent on infantry should be spent on snipers instead.

    I’ve read that the main use of ammo in battle is to force the enemy to take cover so another unit can move in, and this is reason the is such as high ratio of rounds fired per enemy killed. OK, but why has the use figure jumped so much then? The US faced much stronger foes in WW2 than in Vietnam and the Vietnamese were far stronger than the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan. One would think that soldiers fighting the Germans in WW2 would have had a much greater need for covering fire than in current wars. And yet the military has to use more ammo to fight a weaker enemy? That doesn’t add up.

    Here is what I think is happening: soldiers are trained to shoot stationary targets at long range rather than moving targets at close range. Since the later scenario is more common in war, soldiers are unprepared and must use more ammo. It seems strange to me that the military tries to make everyone a sniper when most of them will never be in situations where that training is relevant.
    ***

    • LCDR_Fish

      Pretty sure that was always the fixed range score card (or 8 x 5?). It has been for the navy since you can almost never use a full length or pop-up range (actually, I think the navy just gives you 2 x 20rd mags). Just focus on the big ones first and make sure you don’t put too many holes in one target.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Think I misread your description. The navy uses a large target paper with various size targets on the same paper – that can be set up at 50m (or sometimes 25m if underway) to represent targets out to 300m.

      • Derpetologist

        The Army does something like that too, but only when a full size range is unavailable. The slang term is paper range, because instead of shooting at a full size silhouette at 300 m or whatever, you’re shooting at a target with the same apparent size at 25 m.

        Perhaps this is heresy, but since it’s way easier to organize a paper range, that should be the focus. For the cost of 1 full size range event, you could have a dozen alternate range events.

    • B.P.

      “OK, but why has the use figure jumped so much then?”

      Declining numbers of identifiable targets?

      • LCDR_Fish

        Most “issue” weapons in WWII/Korea were low rate of fire, with larger/heavier bullets – imposed limitations of their own. These days most weapons are *more* rapid fire – and all mounted/fixed weapons are rapid fire (more at the squad level too) – primarily used in a suppression tactic to enable maneuver to better positions.

        I mean, in WWII, how many rounds would a BAR gunner normally carry? An M249 gunner now carries 300+ easy (I could be wrong – haven’t been in the army since ’09) – standard load. Same for the poor sod who has to carry the M240.

      • Derpetologist

        Maybe. I think it has more to do with the increasing capacity of the standard weapon.

        WW2 – M1 – 8 rounds
        Vietnam – M14/M16 – 20 rounds
        Now – M4/M16 – 30 rounds

        They took away the full auto setting for all M16s/M4s except for SF, SEALs, etc. Not sure if that was a good idea. The Army’s philosophy has always been it’s better to waste bullets than men.

      • Drake

        In infantry school they took us to a range with spring loaded targets maybe 30 yards away. Told us to fire a mag at them as fast as we could on “burst”. I might have hit my target twice. Then we repeared the exercise on single fire slightly slower – hit it every time.
        Hits count.

      • Derpetologist

        OK, but given that, why did the Soviets issue the AK-47 with the settings (in order) safe, auto, semi?

        And anyway, a gas piston is better than a gas tube, IMO.

        If a guy is too scared to shoot straight, which seems likely for many, the best option is to spray and pray.

        I mean look at the appalling hit rate among cops in shootouts. Granted, marksmanship is way harder with a pistol, but still.

      • Drake

        Different doctrines and philosophies. I doubt their basic training included 4 weeks on the rifle ranges.

      • Derpetologist

        Good point. I read somewhere that a lot of their conscripts barely understood Russian.

      • DEG

        Wiki sez:

        The reason for this is that under stress a soldier will push the selector lever down with considerable force bypassing the full-auto stage and setting the rifle to semi-auto.

        Cited source says what wiki says it says.

      • Derpetologist

        Now that makes sense. Good job on researching that!

      • Drake

        I used to think the trade off with a piston gun was weight vs. reliability. Now it’s accuracy vs. reliability.

        It’s easier to free-float an AR barrel and make one far more accurate than an AK or M1A. Accurate piston guns like the Sigs and HK cost double what a just as accurate gas AR costs.

    • Plisade

      This is why my home defense focus is always on short range accuracy and maximizing rounds down range in a short time. High capacity mags, smaller caliber for less recoil and faster trigger reset. No focus on the font sight post, just muscle memory from shooting lots of rounds at close targets on the range. If shit goes down, I’ll want to be focusing on my moving target while repeatedly pulling the trigger as fast as possible.

      • LCDR_Fish

        I wanted to stick with iron sights for my first AR, but might just look at getting a cheap optic (never used one or qualified on one in the service) for those specific reasons.

      • Plisade

        I like the idea of holographic sights, but I’m paranoid about becoming dependent on battery power.

      • R C Dean

        Take a look at the Trijicon RMR Dual Illuminated sights – no batteries, runs on radiation and fiber optics. They aslo make ACOGs that don’t use batteries. Spendy, but good optics are. I got one of the RMRs that I am going to put on my bedside .45 (Optics Planet has good prices, but ship times vary). Likely will get another for the combat shotgun.

        The “both eyes open, magic dot floating on point of impact” is awesome, but it takes some range time to get used to. Its not as intuitive to get everything lined up so you can see the magic dot on the RMRs. The ACOGs are like scopes and are easier to get used to.

        If you have a battery powered optic, I would always set it up with co-witnessed iron sights.

      • Plisade

        Thanks, I’ll check those out. Both eyes open, always, for sure!

        Have you tried the Trijicons in the dark?

      • kinnath

        This is why I have a Ruger PC9 with a Burris Red Dot.

      • EvilSheldon

        The advantage of red dot optics cannot be easily overstated. They are like night and day.

        If you get into the habit of changing your batteries on a set schedule, you won’t have any problems with the dot being dead when you need it. I stockpile batteries almost like I do ammo and reloading components.

    • Suthenboy

      “That doesn’t add up.”

      That depends on whether or not you are selling the ammo.

      • Fourscore

        Let us not forget that many of the young men/women entering service have never fired a gun. The few days training isn’t gonna make them sharpshooters. Firepower for the win, accuracy not so much.

        Its a worry.

    • Fourscore

      Trying to remember but I believe I only fired familiarization with an M-16 before going to VN #2. Targets popping up very close, 10-20-30 yards away or so, at least not very far. My first experience with an M-16. Didn’t take too long. No score. Did get a 16 issued though, maybe 2 mags of ammo?

      • Derpetologist

        Did you get one with a triangular handguard? I wonder what dummy came up with that idea. Ever seen a shovel with a triangular handle? Sheesh.

        Closest range I ever trained on was 50 m. For a pop-up range, there are 3 events: shoot 20 rounds prone with sandbag support, then 10 rounds prone without sandbags, then 10 rounds from a kneeling position.

        The ranges varied from 50 to 300 m in increments of 50 m, with a bias towards closer ranges.

    • Drake

      Hey great. A new test to prove that Army marksmanship training is horrible ans soldiers who are not deployed spend almost no time with their weapons and rarely get practice or instruction to maintain those skills.

      Throw in the nonsense about how all the firefights are at short range – which was completely wrong in my war.

      • Derpetologist

        QUIET, YOU!

        +1 tap, rack, bang

        ^I like this better than SPORTS (in case of malfunction, Slap the mag up, Pull the charging handle, Observe the chamber, Release the charging handle, Tap the forward assist, Squeeze the trigger)

        I qualified 1 hit below expert at a paper range once, but otherwise I’ve been rocking the coveted pizza box cross the whole time.

        This list of the top 7 US military snipers has 4 from the Army so maybe we don’t suck so much after all.

        “Shoot straight for once! You…Army….pukes….”

      • Drake

        I was Sharpshooter in Boot Camp. Later bought my own rifle and practice – finally qualified as Expert.

    • Suthenboy

      Circa ’68 my father worked for Dow Chemical. His initiation into the company included a intro speech by whichever Dow was head of the company…grandson of Herbert I think. At the time war protesters were burning and hanging him in effigy in the streets over napalm and agent orange.
      During the speech Dow grandson asked if anyone had questions. Of course my father raised his hand. Of course he did.

      “What do you think the economic effect ending the war in Vietnam will have on the United States?”

      He said the guy immediately got visibly angry, didnt say a word and walked out of the room.

    • Bobarian LMD

      Many soldiers don’t aim in combat. Spray and pray. Studies from Vietnam and Korea said something like 90% of enemy casualties are produced by 10% of soldiers. A significant amount of soldiers don’t even pull the trigger in a fire-fight.

      Also, we didn’t fight ‘combat’ in Afghanistan or Iraq, other than a three day gunnery run from border to border in Iraq. WWII was military formations vs military formations, where artillery was the largest producer of casualties on the battlefield. Vietnam was mix of standard combat with a lot of guerilla warfare mixed in.

      Bottom line, we ad a lot of targets to shoot at in WWII and very few in fighting in OIF/OEF.

      Also, there continues a long term trend to place a lot more emphasis on our soldier’s safety in that time frame as well.

      • Derpetologist

        The NRA was copied from the British NRA which came first. The reason was that during the Civil War, there was a report that the Union fired about 1,000 rounds per Confederate hit. This led to a big push after the war for civilian marksmanship training.

        At West Point, there is a statue to dead Union soldiers. The Southern cadets call it The Monument to Confederate Marksmanship.

        “Shoot straight for once! You…Army…pukes….”

      • Not Adahn

        And to this day, NY rednecks are terrible shots compared to their TX/OK counterparts.

      • UnCivilServant

        I donno, I do okay for not getting any practice.

      • Derpetologist

        wiki sez

        ***
        A few months after the Civil War began in 1861, a national rifle association was proposed by Americans in England. In a letter that was sent to President Abraham Lincoln and published in The New York Times, R.G. Moulton and R.B. Perry recommended forming an organization similar to the British National Rifle Association, which had formed a year and a half earlier. They suggested making a shooting range, perhaps on the base on Staten Island, and were offering Whitworth rifles for prizes for the first shooting competition with those rifles. They suggested a provisional committee to start the Association which would include: President Lincoln, Secretary of War, officers, and other prominent New Yorkers.[16][17][18]

        The National Rifle Association was first chartered in the State of New York on November 16, 1871[1][6] by Army and Navy Journal editor William Conant Church and Captain George Wood Wingate. On November 25, 1871, the group voted to elect its first corporate officers. Union Army Civil War General Ambrose Burnside, who had worked as a Rhode Island gunsmith, was elected president.[19] When Burnside resigned on August 1, 1872,[20] Church succeeded him as president.[21]

        Union Army records for the Civil War indicate that its troops fired about 1,000 rifle shots for each Confederate hit, causing General Burnside to lament his recruits: “Out of ten soldiers who are perfect in drill and the manual of arms, only one knows the purpose of the sights on his gun or can hit the broad side of a barn.”[22][23][24] The generals attributed this to the use of volley tactics, devised for earlier, less accurate smoothbore muskets.[25][26]
        ***

      • creech

        Depended on the range. In the fight for Little Round Top, the 20th Maine and the 15th Alabama exchanged about 25,000 shots and inflicted about 300 casualties. That’s about 83 hits per 1,000 fired. Much of the fight was within 100 yards of each other in wooded terrain.

      • creech

        Ooops. 12 hits per 1,000 fired.

    • Viking1865

      “The US faced much stronger foes in WW2 than in Vietnam and the Vietnamese were far stronger than the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan. One would think that soldiers fighting the Germans in WW2 would have had a much greater need for covering fire than in current wars.”

      The American solider was also a very different in those wars.

      The NYC Public Schools Athletic League had a thriving rifle marksmanship program in the 20s and 30s, and those were your city kids. The country kids shot to put food on the table in a very lean and hungry time. Those were the boys fighting WWII, and Korea.

  19. DEG

    US/Canada border closure extension

    The U.S. and Canada are poised to extend their agreement to keep their shared border closed to non-essential travel to Aug. 21, but a final confirmation has not been given, a person familiar with the matter said Tuesday.

    The agreement would likely extend the closure by another 30 days. The official was not authorized to speak publicly ahead of an announcement this week, and spoke on condition of anonymity. The restrictions were announced on March 18 and were extended in April, May and June.

    It’ll be extended.

  20. Raven Nation

    I’m disappointed in my fellow Glibs regarding the story about the bubonic plague. None of you know what’s REALLY going on here do you?.

    • Grosspatzer

      There’s a game show that covers this.

      • Surly Knott

        Yes!

  21. LCDR_Fish

    So…I’m starting to get a little tired of the “Donald Trump is coarsening politics” tirades – even when it’s coming from Kevin Williamson, etc.

    I mean….we all know Trump is a jackass who’ll say/do whatever comes into his mind at the time – although he rarely follows through with doing the more egregious crap.

    The comparison with Conservatives being against Clinton for moral failings in 97 vs Trump in 16 is a weird indicator that pops up a lot. On a visceral level, I acknowledge the hypocrisy in the shift there (particularly on the parts of some individuals who make really stupid theological comments, etc) – on the other hand…

    1. The Clinton stuff happened while he was in office, not prior – yes Trump did a lot of things before running for president, but those specific moral failings were as a private citizen that had less bearing on his public role.

    2. It’s been over 20 years since the Clinton crap and I’d hardly say that politics as a whole was a beacon of national moral light up until the moment Trump decided to run for office. (this is particularly stupid seeing how Romney was/has/is treated by the press/etc).

    Not so sure it’s cause and effect, but these things are definitely not taking place in a vacuum and it would be nice to get some acknowledgement of that from people who have been observing this national shitshow for the last 25 years.

    • Raven Nation

      ” but those specific moral failings were as a private citizen that had less bearing on his public role”

      Some guy at CATO argued that the hush money paid to Stormy Daniels was an impeachable offense because it prevented voters from knowing the truth about Trump in 2016.

      • Suthenboy

        Is that the same Stormy Daniels that recently admitted the whole thing was a lie and that she never slept with DT?

      • Count Potato

        She did?

      • TARDIS

        That was a follow-up whore. Don’t remember her name.

    • Drake

      Didn’t he get hired as house cuck then fired?

    • Negroni Please

      Politics has never had any sort of elevated character. Look at the insane rhetoric surrounding the 1800 election. You’ve got Jefferson’s camp calling Adams a hermaphrodite and Adams’ camp saying Jefferson would sell out daughters and wives into prostitution.

      American politics fucking started as a twitter flame war

      • LCDR_Fish

        FWIW this is my reference today (https://www.nationalreview.com/the-tuesday/price-trump-presidency-government-political-system-civic-culture-degraded/) – although you can reference many of the podcasts I’ve been listening to lately including KDW, The Remnant, etc.

        I know stuff has been crap for centuries – I think it’s either willful ignorance or possibly a failure to acknowledge what’s been going on all this time because of “the narrative”.

        I mean KDW has a pipe dream with Switzerland and other topics too – but still….

      • Viking1865

        Coarseness vs civility is being presented as though civility is always superior.

        “Would you kindly surrender your firearms, I simply think you don’t actually need them, and all these well educated, soft spoken people with postgraduate degrees all agree. Simply surrender them at your nearest police station, please don’t make any trouble, this is all for the best.”

        “Fuck you, you can’t have my guns.”

        “Oh why are you being so uncivil.”

        I will never be civil to people who hate me.

      • Jarflax

        People smashing statues, beating on cars, shooting into cars, dragging drivers into the street, burning cars and buildings is the height of civility. People showing their faces in public is coarseness.

      • Rebel Scum

        And they were friends!

      • TARDIS

        sell out daughters and wives into prostitution

        As it should be, unless they libertarians.

      • Fourscore

        What’s the price range? Asking for a friend…

      • Ted S.

        $20, same as downtown.

      • TARDIS

        Right. But the righties limit you to exactly one position while the lefties require you to perform oral on someone extra of your same gender.

      • Agent Cooper

        How many drachmae for the women?

    • R C Dean

      So the guy who isn’t accusing people of being racists, nazis, homophobic bigots, and isn’t supporting street violence, is the guy coarsening politics?

      • Viking1865

        This really can’t be repeated enough. I have been right of center ever since I first asked my dad who “That mean lady on TV” was. I was a W supporter, before coming to libertarianism during the Ascension of The One in 2008. I can’t remember a right winger assail my motivations for a position. When arguing for gay marriage, no Republican ever said “oh, I guess you’re just a queer”. Hell, I’ve never even had my patriotism for my stance on defense spending and war.

        With Democrats, it is constant and it affects every debate. I mean this quite seriously: I’ve never had a discussion with one of my peers on the left (I’m 31) where my motivations were not questioned either implicitly or explicitly. They are simply, as a group, incapable of accepting good faith disagreement. It’s always racism, sexism, homophobia, or hatred. I’ve been called a Nazi and a racist to my face by people who supposedly are the “civil ones”.

      • DEG

        I can’t remember a right winger assail my motivations for a position.

        Only once has this happened to me. A conservative former co-worker said I only supported marijuana legalization because I wanted to smoke pot. At the time, I had never smoked it and had no interest in it. Note “at the time”, things are different now. I told him I didn’t smoke pot and had no interest in it. He said, “Well, you’d try it right it was legal?” I said, “Probably not”.

        It stood out because it was the only time someone on the right attacked my motivations.

        Like you, Proglodytes have constantly questioned my motivations or impugned bad faith motivations to me.

      • The Hyperbole

        I’ve been told many times that my opposition to the militarization of the police and our many foreign entanglements was only because I hate the police and the military.

      • DEG

        I’ve never gotten that from the right. Maybe I’m talking to a higher class of right-winger?

      • The Hyperbole

        You more than likely deal with a higher class of everybody than I. Hell, Tres would be a respected pillar of the community compared to most of the people I interact with regularly.

      • DEG

        I laughed.

      • Jarflax

        I agree that it happens more, and with more vitriol from the left, but I think it is disingenuous to deny it happens from the right. I ran into a lot of hostility supporting gay marriage from the right. I wasn’t accused of being gay, but I was told how naive I was and how little I understood the importance of the traditional marriage form in preserving decency. I acknowledge that it was different and I was not accused of evil, but being accused of stupidity is different in degree not in type.

      • DEG

        I think it is disingenuous to deny it happens from the right.

        I really hope you’re not claiming I’m being disingenuous.

      • Mad Scientist

        If it comes out that you’re not a Christian, many folks on the right will immediately question your motivations. It’s incredibly tedious.

  22. Agent Cooper

    Said goodbye to the Golden today. Ten and a half years of sweetness. She was our million dollar dog (2 foreign body removals, ICU stay due to an allergic reaction, 2 tumor removals, a lipoma removal, and an ACL tear.) and was worth every penny.

    • Mad Scientist

      Oh, man, I’m sorry. Enjoy all the good times you had with her!

    • kinnath

      Sorry for your loss.

      We said good-bye to one of our shelties last fall.

      We are basically waiting week by week on the last one now.

    • juris imprudent

      Sorry to hear that. We lost our girl a couple of weeks back – also after 10 years. I didn’t post anything because we were on our road trip – so she went out on a high note. We are fostering (with intent to adopt) a new GSP girl.

    • Count Potato

      Sorry 🙁

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      My condolences. ?

    • DEG

      Sorry.

    • TARDIS

      Sorry for your loss. A good dog is worth it’s weight in gold. When the vet told me there was no hope, money won’t help….

    • Surly Knott

      Aw. So sorry for your loss.

    • Jarflax

      Sorry, that is a tough time.

    • Mojeaux

      I am so sorry. ?

    • Sean

      Sorry. ?

    • Grosspatzer

      Sorry for your loss. Only ever had one dog, I still miss her.

    • SandMan

      So sorry, can hurt more than losing most relatives.

    • EvilSheldon

      Sorry, dude. The worst thing about humans is that we live so much longer than dogs…

      • Agent Cooper

        Actually that’s a blessing. If you had a dog live with you for 50+ years, you’d probably end up suicidal if they passed away.

        Thank you everyone for your thoughtful replies.

  23. Suthenboy

    “…coarsening politics…”

    That is rich coming from a gaggle of half-wit, low rent grifters. I keep hoping someone will kick Adam Schiff in the nads hard enough to lift him off of the ground. How’s that for coarse?

  24. Idle Hands

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/desean-jacksons-blind-spot-and-mine/614095/

    Regardless of what happens with Jackson, the unfortunate truth is that some Black Americans have shown a certain cultural blindspot about Jews. Stereotypical and hurtful tropes about Jews are widely accepted in the African American community. As a kid, I heard elders in my family say in passing that Jewish people were consumed with making money, and that they “owned everything.” My relatives never dwelled on the subject, and nothing about their tone indicated that they thought anything they were saying was anti-Semitic—not that a lack of awareness would be any excuse. This also doesn’t mean that my family—or other African Americans—are more or less anti-Semitic than others in America, but experiencing the pain of discrimination and stereotyping didn’t prevent them from spreading harmful stereotypes about another group.

    lmao why yes it actually does. Do these people not actually understand what ingrained racism actually is? The reason they didn’t dwell on it is because they “knew” it to be truism. These people are fucking retards and they think they are intellectual titans.

    • Agent Cooper

      “people were consumed with making money, and that they “owned everything.”

      He’s not wrong, right OMWC? ; )

      • Jarflax

        OMWC doesn’t even own an air conditioner.

      • TARDIS

        He doesn’t need to apparently. His living room is a walk-in sit-in freezer.

    • R C Dean

      some Black Americans have shown a certain cultural blindspot about Jews

      My, but aren’t we delicate in our language. Some blacks hate Jews. Just say it.

      • Derpetologist

        I’ll just leave this here: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/12/20/18146628/alice-walker-david-icke-anti-semitic-new-york-times

        When you’ve lost Vox…

        ***
        Alice Walker, the beloved activist and author of The Color Purple, is under fire for promoting an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

        Walker has flirted with anti-Semitism for years, but the public at large seemed to ignore it — until last weekend, when she took some time in her New York Times Book Review “By the Book” interview to admiringly shout out David Icke. Icke is best known for arguing that the world is run by a secret cabal of alien lizard people, many of whom are Jewish.
        ***

        I’ve heard of Jewish conspiracies and lizard people conspiracies, but never Jewish lizard people conspiracies.

        And now I’m imagining the V aliens wearing yarmulkes and playing with a dreidle.

        ***
        Icke maintains that he is not an anti-Semite, and that he is criticizing not real Jews, but 12-foot-tall alien lizard people, many of whom just happen to be posing as Jews.
        ***

        Oh, well that’s different.

        Wait a minute, no it isn’t. That’s bug fuck nutty batshit crazy!

        ***
        Basically, it sure seems like Alice Walker, legendary activist and author, went looking for some critiques of Israeli politics and ended up getting “redpilled” on YouTube into becoming an anti-Semite by a person who doesn’t believe in the moon. (In far-right discourse, “taking the red pill” or having been “redpilled” implies that someone has “woken up” to a worldview that includes the belief that feminism is ruining everything and frequently involves anti-Semitic and white supremacist dog-whistling.)
        ***

        Yeah, that’s it. She was noble and true until those evil Silicon Valley algorithms warped her mind.

      • Count Potato

        “frequently involves anti-Semitic and white supremacist dog-whistling”

        No, it doesn’t.

    • Idle Hands

      Well yeah. The marxists are going for gold right now, but the purges never truly end.

    • Suthenboy

      “…who’ve compared us to Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin…”

      Leftists attempting to delegitimize conservatives by comparing them to leftists.

  25. RosyRinglets

    After an appearance in the last post, I missed my big entrance after all the fanfare.

    So, thanks to Plisade and others leaving the door open for my version of events, I’ll just say this: While we violated the dominion of Mother Nature by pushing the boundaries of how far we would go, the demands of the lake in withholding the sacrificial sunglasses, and seemed to dare an eventful paddle by going without a safety device, I think it unwise to subsequently offend Point Tantalus, our begrudging host, who by very definition demands an air of mystery and resolution just out of reach. In other words, you won’t hear it from me if there was any banging other than the fireworks.

    • Mojeaux

      Dudette, I’m shipping it already.

    • Ted S.

      Welcome, Tulpa!

      • TARDIS

        What, are we being polite now?

        FUCK.OFF.TULPA.

        *slinks away*

      • RosyRinglets

        Thanks!

      • RosyRinglets

        Appreciate it.

      • Fourscore

        Don’t pay them any attention, Miss Ringlets. They do like to put on airs with a new lady. They’ll get over it.

      • RosyRinglets

        ?

    • Mojeaux

      Hey, GT and Hayek, another soulless ginger.

      • TARDIS

        I’m sensing a pattern here. Wait, wife has red hair and pale skin. ?

        Run away!

      • UnCivilServant

        Personally I like that combination

      • RosyRinglets

        Glad to see some other gingers. In response to one of your comments on the previous post, I’d say I’m lib- curious, not a total libertarian convert. Hence, the tulpa status until I was brought out into the light today.

      • Mojeaux

        My ginger is turning white, which makes me look like a cadaver and I can’t quite get my dye mix right, so I’m inexorably heading toward blonde.

      • DEG

        I’d say I’m lib- curious

        Sounds kinky.

        TIWTANFL.

      • Mojeaux

        Srsly.

    • Sean

      So….what I’m hearing is “like a screen door in a hurricane.”

      Welcome

  26. Count Potato

    “Children born to unmarried mothers

    Upper class in 1977: 5%
    Working class in 1977: 22%

    Upper class in 2007: 10%
    Working class in 2007: 65% ”

    https://twitter.com/robkhenderson/status/1282661625204547585

    Education doesn’t equal class, but still that’s way more kids without fathers.

    • The Hyperbole

      Unmarried doesn’t equal fatherless.

      • Derpetologist

        Pew Research says:

        ***
        Almost a quarter of U.S. children under the age of 18 live with one parent and no other adults (23%), more than three times the share of children around the world who do so (7%).
        ***

        https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/12/12/u-s-children-more-likely-than-children-in-other-countries-to-live-with-just-one-parent/

        This is not good. Because:

        ***
        State-by-state analysis by Heritage scholars indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime. The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.
        ***

      • Viking1865

        “The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.”

        Yeah every single fatherless kid is because of deadbeat dads. Classic socon framing.

      • The Hyperbole

        Fair enough, but Count specifically called out ‘unmarried’ not single parent. Yes, ‘Raise yo Kids, Raise yo kids, raise your goddamn kids’ but I have no concern whether some judge or priest or witch verified your union.

      • Jarflax

        That is a bit of a nit pick I suspect. The ceremony is not magic, but I suspect that most of those who forego it are not doing so out of skepticism about the ceremony but out of aversion to the commitment, and the commitment is what keeps people together to raise their kids.

      • The Hyperbole

        Like Raven Nation below I only have anecdotal evidence but the young adults I know that are raising families but never got around to getting married in any ‘official’ way aren’t dodging responsibility or making a statement about ‘the man’, they just don’t see it as important. Also while I’m just pulling ideas out of my ass, perhaps this is a return to the ‘common law’ type marriage that was prevalent for much longer than the sanctified version. I’m not sure what side of Chesterton’s fence that sits on.

      • Jarflax

        Common law marriage returning would be an awesome development. If you are not a religious person a marriage ceremony boils down to asking the State for permission.

      • The Hyperbole

        I may be mistaken but I always thought ‘common law’ meant that they’ve been shacked up for so long everyone just considers them married not that it had anything to do with asking the state for permission. because as my new t-shirt (if it ever gets delivered) says “Fuck the Polis”

      • UnCivilServant

        That was my understanding as well.

      • Jarflax

        No, common law marriage occured when you held yourself out as married, but had never had the ceremony. There were States with laws that treated extended cohabitation as common law marriage, but the concept was effectively marriage without a license or ceremony.

      • DEG

        Common Law Marriage wiki.

        From the wiki:

        The term “common-law marriage” is often used incorrectly to describe various types of couple relationships, such as cohabitation (whether or not registered), or other legally formalized relations. Although these interpersonal relationships are often called “common-law marriage” they differ from true common-law marriage, in that they are not legally recognized as “marriages”, but are a parallel interpersonal status, known in most jurisdictions as “domestic partnership”, “registered partnership”, “conjugal union”, “civil union”, etc. In Canada, for instance, while couples in “marriage-like relationships” may have many of the rights and responsibilities of a marriage (laws vary by province), couples in such partnerships are not legally considered married, although they may be legally defined as “unmarried spouses” and for many purposes (such as taxes, financial claims, etc.) they are treated as if they were married.[2][3] In recent years, the term common-law marriage has gained increased use as a generic term for all unmarried couples – however, this term has a narrow legal meaning. First of all, one can only talk of “common-law marriage” if such marriage was formed in a jurisdiction which actually applies the common law. A 2008 poll in the UK showed that 51% of respondents incorrectly believed that cohabitants had the same rights as married couples.[4]

      • Jarflax

        A rundown of States that still recognize it. It is basically libertarian marriage, except that it does not allow for variations in the contract.

      • UnCivilServant

        That wiki article is just arguing for the legalese definition over the common use definition.

      • Jarflax

        That wiki article is just arguing for the legalese definition over the common use definition.

        I am not sure what you mean by this? Common law marriage is a legal concept. It was/is a valid form of marriage that simply foregoes the license requirement (which is why it is disappearing) and ceremony in favor of simply holding yourself out to the world as married. The wiki article does waste a lot of time pointing out that people misuse the term, but it has always been a legal concept (it’s right there in the name) and the fact that many people misunderstand it doesn’t distinguish it from other legal concepts or make those people’s misunderstandings valid.

      • The Hyperbole

        So from this I gather that I have correctly understood the legally incorrect but common misunderstanding of the term but misunderstood the correct but commonly misunderstood legal definition? And we wonder why some people want to hang all the lawyers.

      • Jarflax

        LOL, I guess maybe being a lawyer has broken my mind because in all seriousness you guys comments sound to me like you are saying “Our wrong answer is right because other people got it wrong too” It is a legal term, the fact that some people misunderstood what it meant and used it incorrectly may have meaning in an etymological study, but does not change the legal meaning. This all started when you basically described common law marriage correctly. Maybe I am being obtuse here, but if the participants do not consider themselves in a common law marriage (ie say that they are, and act as though they are, which is all that holding your self out as married means) why would anyone else get a say?

      • Raven Nation

        I wonder if some of that is going to change in a few decades. I have two friends who are single mothers who don’t fit the “normal” profile. One is a v. successful corporate salesperson who adopted her brother’s kids when they were young for reasons I won’t go into here and then adopted a third kid who was a classic “crack” baby. The second is also single and had her daughter through IV. She’s also successful in her field. Neither of them plan to marry and, from what I can tell, the kids seem pretty solid.

        I know it’s only anecdotal, but my point here is not to disagree with the current stats but to wonder if they will change.

      • Viking1865

        Those are outliers, and they should be treated as such.

        The explosion in fatherless children is driven by the very simple fact that the welfare system, after the 90s reforms and the moving of so much of it to the tax code, basically only goes to the mothers of bastard children. If you are a poor single woman or a poor single man, there’s very little benefits for you. But if you manage to squirt out a couple bastard children, then the floodgates open.

        Poor women with no skills are doomed to the same life as poor men with no skills…..unless they have some kids out of wedlock, and then they are entitled to not only welfare benefits, but to whatever child support payments their baby daddy’s can be forced to cough up. It’s completely rational for them to move to secure the benefits of the system in the simplest way possible.

        You get more of what you reward and less of what you punish.

      • Fourscore

        Raising kids is punishment, grand children, on the other hand, are rewards, especially if they go home on Sunday afternoon.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        One is a v. successful corporate salesperson who adopted her brother’s kids when they were young for reasons I won’t go into here and then adopted a third kid who was a classic “crack” baby. The second is also single and had her daughter through IV. She’s also successful in her field.

        I grew up with a lot of kids in similar situations. Middle or upper middle class raised by career oriented single moms. By and large, they had shittier outcomes than the kids with two parents.

        IMO, it comes down to who’s actually putting in the hours to raise the kid. Most of the kids with single parents are raised by daycare workers, public school teachers, and after-school program counselors, most of whom don’t give a shit about the kids beyond making sure they don’t kill themselves or one another.

        I also just want to mention (harkening back to an article I wrote a few months ago) the fact that such lifestyles are usually highly unsustainable without massive subsidy, whether governmental, familial, or charitable. That doesn’t exempt the middle/upper middle class career-focused single parents, either.

  27. Evan from Evansville

    OT: And absolutely non of this is a complaint or a ‘feel sorry for me.’ Fuck that shit. I have never thought that way. I don’t want it. I just thought this was interesting.

    I have long had a problem with eating, as in I don’t ever get hungry. I can’t remember the last time that I was. That’s odd. I have lost weight. I’m 5’7″ or so and now weigh 147. In Singapore I weighed (because of dihydrosis/taking steroid med water-weight gain) at least 165. Those days passed a long time ago, though.

    I’ve also get stomach cramps and had two puking sessions today. Doesn’t happen frequently but I’m used to them.

    Specifically to YUSEF: I made sure I was remembering the Keppra side effects properly and looked ’em up. Loss of appetite and vomiting are normal ones. I know I need to eat and do. About a half meal or so a day, frankly. I’m completely uninterested. Even in food that I normally love. It’s a chore. I do it because I KNOW that I need to. I rarely, rarely take pleasure in it because I’m forcing myself to do it out of discipline and relative health.

    I don’t know if the side effects translate to dogs, but I would suggest giving gift foods (steak, sausage, whatever. Not just dog food) if she’s having trouble eating. No idea if the effects for dogs and humans would be the same. Just a thought that might help.

    It’s dinner time with the fam right now! I’m eating a shrimp cake and will be happy to have it! Sorry to repeat myself, but it’s how I do: Focus on whatever possible and refuse to sink into the negative. That doesn’t do anyone any good, unless you’re in physical danger. (I am not. I insist on it.)

    Anyway! Time to eat and I hope everyone else is well! Sorry that I didn’t have time to read either the links or other comments. I’ll be back before too long.

    • Derpetologist

      Drink booze with a meal to gain weight. The body prioritizes metabolizing alcohol before all else. There’s a reason why it’s called a beer belly.

      • Evan from Evansville

        I am specifically not supposed to mix alcohol with my meds.

        I have avoided this suggestion completely! Oddly it makes me feel more stable and mentally satisfied. Never drunk-drunk—but I get loose. I don’t agree with the doctors. They can try it if they want to, but I wouldn’t recommend it.

  28. Count Potato

    “Woke teachers are ruining education.

    This elementary teacher, who doesn’t know when America was founded, says she teaches her students about leftist protesting and activism but refuses to teach the actual curriculum.

    a thread about how we got here:”

    https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1282910518345252865

    I wonder how many parents know about this?

    • Suthenboy

      Those two idiots are teaching civil unrest to elementary students. After the glorious revolution they will wonder why the country is mired in poverty and they have to turn tricks for crumbs. Ten bucks says they won’t make the connection.

    • creech

      How many parents know? Those who review “what did you learn in school today?” with their kids. Back in the day, I would have attended the next school board meeting and complained about any teacher that was indoctrinating kids with false info and failing to teach the curriculum.

    • kinnath

      Thank god the schools are closed.

  29. Raven Nation

    Interesting: Australian university begins covid-19 vaccine Click human trials.

  30. Rebel Scum

    Hold on to your butts…it’s about to get bumpy.

    Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was admitted to a hospital in Baltimore on Tuesday “for treatment of a possible infection,” the court said in a statement.

    “She underwent an endoscopic procedure at Johns Hopkins this afternoon to clean out a bile duct stent that was placed last August,” the statement said. “The justice is resting comfortably and will stay in the hospital for a few days to receive intravenous antibiotic treatment.”

    The statement said Ginsburg was initially evaluated at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Washington, D.C. on Monday night after experiencing fever and chills.

    Also, stock up on popcorn.

    • Suthenboy

      I can see Trump nominating her replacement a few days before the election. Stock up on popcorn, indeed.

    • creech

      How many days to the election?

      • TARDIS

        *shrugs* All I know it that I don’t have enough ammo.

      • TARDIS

        and that I can’t type (aka keyboard)

      • Suthenboy

        JFC looking at the prices on .223. The prices are insane.

      • kinnath

        yes

        Seller’s market.

      • Suthenboy

        Only one brand, Nosler, in stock for 30-30.

        I am glad I stocked up several years ago on ammo and reloading supplies.

      • Aus

        What’s a typical (fair) price on 223/556? I don’t buy it often enough to pay attention to prices.

      • Suthenboy

        Fair price?

        I am used to paying 1/5th and less of what prices are now. The fair price is what you see now given market conditions. I am stocked and not willing to pay the current fair prices.

      • TARDIS

        When Biden’s Sardaukar go house to house confiscating weapons and ammo, just think of all the good overpriced stuff they are going to get.

      • Sean

        Pre commie cough, around $300 per 1,000.

      • Aus

        “commie cough” – lol

        Thanks, good to know some price points for reference.

      • Pan Zagloba

        111, I looked it up while bullshitting about this on discord.

        My take (I know, everyone was just dying for it) was that if she can drag herself to late August/early September, Republicans won’t nominate replacement and dead RBG is worth $250 million of campaign ads to the Democrats.

      • leon

        ^^^^ I firmly believe Mitt Romney would vote against any scotus nominee by Trump.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        if there’s a more transparently swampy congresscritter, I can’t think of one.

      • dbleagle

        And $250M for the GOP as well.

        She had her chance to lock in her replacement by retiring in 2015. But she probably was riding on the HRC is inevitable train and loved all those chances to vote. She failed to see the big picture.

        Ahhh the sweet sweet Supreme Court liberal tears I will drink if DT is reelected because there is no way in hell she last four more years. Plus Thomas is hinting at retiring and DT would name his replacement as well.

        Donnie Two Scoops seemed to have done well with Gorsuch. Kavanaugh is too much a police cock sucker, but he is better than whatever HRC would have nominated.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I dunno what would happen if she keeled over this weekend, but I do know it would make the insanity of the past few months look tame.

      • Suthenboy

        “…whatever HRC would have nominated.”

        The mere thought fills me with dread. Yeah, I will take Kavenaugh for now.

  31. dbleagle

    The damn prairie dogs ate my reply on combat shooting and proper combat marksmanship training. The reply also included a paean to the glories of the 40mm as a fireteam weapon.

    • Suthenboy

      Combat marksmanship means hand-eye coordination. Learning to move your sights and eye as one. As Jerry Mikulek says…be the first one at the range and the last one to leave. All of the branches of the military teach competency at operating the weapon. They dont teach marksmanship as that would require astronomical quantities of ammo. Marksmanship is something you have to do on your on time and dime.

      • EvilSheldon

        Lots of dry practice helps. I made USPSA Master pretty much on the back of half an hour of dry fire practice, twice a day.

    • Ozymandias

      I think I’ve posted here before that I absolutely LOVED having my H&K collapsible 40mm launcher in a truck whenever I went outside the wire. An absolutely fantastic weapon. I wanted to get the old M79s but we couldn’t.
      On marksmanship: a college friend was a former Marine infantryman who had been to scout sniper instructor school. He would dry fire in front of the TV every night with a pistol to keep from getting “dry rot” and ensure his skills hadn’t deteriorated. Combat shooting – like anything – requires continuous practice to have those skills sharp when the time comes, HOWEVER, there are a lot of alternatives in lieu of range time to keep the skills up for when you do get access to live ammo and a range.
      This is also true of piano, jiu jitsu, flying, guitar, and (IMNSHO) every other effing task that requires some fine motor skills under pressure. When you have access and time, avail yourself of facilities. When you don’t, continue to train the movements and motor skills you need, and/or work on portions of the task that you can (e.g. draws from concealed carry with a dummy gun or unloaded and safed pistol.)
      The reality is that the overwhelming majority of humanity does not have the discipline to engage in daily practice to acquire – and/or maintain – necessary fine motor skills. I don’t imagine criminals do much of this either… or they wouldn’t be (in 99% of the cases) criminals in the first place. They’d have a fucking job and could keep it and learn how to be successful otherwise.

  32. Enough About Palin

    My home has a flea issue. A week ago Sunday, I noticed that my two cats were showing signs of fleas (they are indoor cats), so I hit them up with Frontline Plus. Did the GSD too. She is also an indoor dog, except wen I let her out into a dog-run made of patio blocks that gets hosed down several times a day. I like a clean puppy.

    All seemed well until yesterday when I noticed flees crawling on my socks. The fleas do appear to be somewhat less than agressive, so it’s possible that they simply are desperate to find a host. Cat and dog fleas can’t feed on humans, which means they won’t be feeding on me. In fact, they’re not even biting me, as I said, just crawling on my socks, so I just brush them off.

    I looked up about fleas on Google and it said they can live up to two weeks without a host. Well I do not believe my critters still have fleas feeding on them, so I have a question for anyone who may have encountered this before. It’s been years and years since I’ve had anything like this. Could be close to 30. Next Sunday will mark two weeks. Should I just expect this to be the case until then? Might it take even longer because maybe it will keep happening until any remaining eggs, which could be anywhere, hatch? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

    • Don Escaped both Landslides

      Diatomaceous earth has lots of silica in it that is very bad for your lungs, so only use it advisedly.

      For patios and surrounding grass and plants, I like ceder chips for mulch and Sevin in the nearby grass

      • TARDIS

        This worked for me in a previous old house that had Berber carpet installed by the previous owners. But yes, do not inhale.

      • littleruttiger

        Not relevant: they still exist, although they aren’t common anymore, but diatom filters for aquariums can polish water like nothing else.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Dude you’re not supposed to cut your coke with it.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        In any case, it’s amorphous silica, not particularly dangerous.

        Crystalline silica sub 1um is the stuff that’s bad for you. Sticks to your lungs like an asbestos filament. Scar tissue builds up around it. Enough of it and your lungs harden right up.

    • Suthenboy

      Had a carpet get a bad infestation once. I tried everything….they kept ahead of me so I rolled the damned thing up and burned it.

      I cycle through several different poisons…Frontline….advantix….etc to keep fleas from getting immune. Try using more than one poison for your cats but do consult your vet first.
      I wouldn’t put much stock. in the claim that dog/cat fleas wont feed on you. also that may not be the source…you could have mice sneaking around. You really need to get rid of those fucking vermin. If all else fails kill them with fire. Get a nuke if you have to.

    • UnCivilServant

      We always responded aggressively with pesticides when pets brought fleas into the house.

      We never waited to see if it went away.

    • Fred, Your new Cylon Buddy

      Take no chances, flea bombs, they carry nasty diseases and they Will bite you

      • Suthenboy

        I am a big fan of flea bombs but remember….they contain flammable solvents. More than a few houses with pilot lights have exploded so be sure and put out all of your pilots before putting those out.

  33. Count Potato

    “Nick Cannon says white people are “a little less,” “closer to animals,” “the true savages,” “acting out of a deficiency so the only way they can act is evil.” When does he get canceled?”

    https://twitter.com/Adam4d/status/1283087941271801861

    Don’t read the comments.

    • Breet Pharara

      “Don’t read the comments.”

      Too late. Apparently melanin makes you more compassionate, which I can confirm. Being whiter than a sheet and never going outside makes it very easy to hate everyone. It does explain why HM is the best of all of us as well.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Shilling for Big Twerk, are we?

    • TARDIS

      Adds Nick to face punch list. Damn, I really need to get some exercise. I’m tired just thinking of all the punching.

    • Agent Cooper

      Fired from The Masked Singer in 3 … 2 … oh, never?

      Okay.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      The legislators are assholes. She wasn’t hiding this, yet it comes up a year later? Why aren’t they researching their witnesses ahead of time?

    • Suthenboy

      Since when has BDS been about anything but anti-semitism?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Never.

        You had to be willfully ignorant to not know that.