Thursday Afternoon Links

by | Aug 6, 2020 | Daily Links | 380 comments

It is Thursday? Holy smokes. Gotta start getting ready for my kid’s birthday. We’re renting a bounce house and inviting all the kids on the block. We’ll see who shows up. I know the next door neighbors and my family. Other than that, I’ve just found that I am doing the EXACT SAME PROJECT with different data and less control. So I feel like I’m living through meetings I’ve already slogged through before.

I don’t know whether I’m more sad that genetic scientists still use Excel as their statistical tool of choice, or that it was easier to change genetic nomenclature rules than write and distribute a macro.

This seems like overreach to me. I mean, certainly the NRA has been a joke since at least Oliver North got run off for asking for an independent audit, but I’m not really seeing how one can call for dissolution of a lobbying organization solely because the board wrote itself sweet-heart deals. But if this goes through, I look forward to the precedent being applied to the SPLC.

I assume, based on BP’s record, that worker safety will reach a new high at the same time.

If only he’d worn a mask and stayed out of the bars after 10pm! Gov. DeWine gets the ‘rona.

 

So I was gonna run out the week annoying y’all with the Scissor Sisters, but Sloopy and I got to talking about this video, and now I will share it with you.

 

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380 Comments

  1. tarran

    Watching the NY AG and the NRA fight really makes me happy. I hope they destroy each other.

    • Drake

      Yes – it’s like watching the Raiders play the Broncos.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Except entertaining.

      • juris imprudent

        You do know that someone is going to win, and that can’t make you happy.

    • hayeksplosives

      No, we didn’t have a daily first aid teaching. We had the regional hospital. Farm first aid I learned from a veterinarian.

  2. mexican sharpshooter

    I don’t know whether I’m more sad that genetic scientists still use Excel as their statistical tool of choice, or that it was easier to change genetic nomenclature rules than write and distribute a macro.

    Listen, I am only employable because I can type, use Excel, and make awkward jokes. Otherwise I’d be the only electrician in the state with a masters degree.

    …I don’t know where I’m going with this but I gotta be at least third.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      Woo!

  3. Shpip

    If you’re going to be Calvin’s dad, go big.

  4. juris imprudent

    NY AG grandstanding? Overreach? No, just another day.

    • Chafed

      She’s still trying to one up her predecessors.

  5. tarran

    I ran into a MA corrections officer that I knew from the before times today. We briefly caught up.

    He has worked at four different prisons during the crisis. In each one, practically 100% of the prisoners had caught COVID. Almost every guard had caught COVID. He hasn’t formally caught COVID, but recalls being really, really sick in February. He says the antibody test is worthless.

    • juris imprudent

      So the prisons are now empty because they all died, right?

    • Urthona

      The problem with the antibody test is the antibodies themselves only last for a few months.

      • Q Continuum

        Doesn’t that then imply that the vaccine is useless?

        /not an infectious disease expert

      • Urthona

        No because your body maintains a blueprint of how to make the antibodies when it is invaded again.

        There is also strong evidence that those who have survived similar diseases in the past are taking care of it more quickly.

  6. B.P.

    “I assume, based on BP’s record, that worker safety will reach a new high at the same time.”

    I dinnint do nuffin’.

  7. This Machine

    Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine tested positive for the coronavirus Thursday…

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

    “Our great governor, governor of Ohio, DeWine, just tested positive, just here. And we want to wish him the best. He’ll be fine,” Trump said. “But he’s a great guy, he’s done a fantastic job.”

    The fuck he has.

    • grrizzly

      There are people out there who like Trump because he strongly criticized the governors who wanted to reopen too early.

      • Hyperion

        No one who pays attention to Trump, thinks that he won’t praise a guy one moment and trash him the next. It’s what he does.

      • TARDIS

        Well, I do the same to Trump. “Good job Trumpy-bear!” Followed by, “Drumpf, you idiot!”

        Unlike for the rest of the swamp critters and their seditious cousins in the media and academia. Those blights on freedom are persistently worthy of pus filled invective.

      • Hyperion

        Me too, every time he appoints someone new to any position, I typically have a loudly swearing hissy, and then again when it’s proven beyond a doubt I was right, again.

    • Drake

      At least he gets to take the hydroxychloroquine – since he went off on the State of Ohio Board of Pharmacy last week.

      When in the fuck did a bunch of pharmacists get the authority to tell doctors how to treat patients? Shut your fucking mouths, count the pills, and give them to the patients.

      • Hyperion

        The entire pharm and medical industries are in collusion to control people’s access to pharmaceuticals. How can they make a zillion on a new miraculous commie flu cure if you’re going to drink the fish cleaner and cure yourself? It would be chaos, we must have order you anarchists!

      • Drake

        What makes it fun to watch is people who have been screaming about big pharma and medical costs for a decade are the ones who support banning chloroquine because Orange Man. They are shutting down a course of treatment that costs a few dollars in favor of one that’s over $10k.

      • Hyperion

        Dude, I mean it’s like if Trump could walk on water and feed a million people with a single loaf of bread, they’d say he’s trying to kill people. It’s beyond absurd, but that’s what our media does.

      • Grummun

        MDs are generalists. PharmDs are specialists in drug effects and drug interactions. That’s why I find the Ohio Pharm Board’s attempt to ban Hydroxy for COVID to be so disappointing, it was a nakedly political act.

        That MDs have locked up the power to write ‘scripts, for drugs or other therapies, is a sign of the chokehold that the AMA has on American medicine.

      • Incentives Matter

        Alberta embarked on an experiment a few years ago to give pharmacists the right to prescribe a wide variety of non-opioid meds; the last prescription I got was one that a pharm gave me after talking with me briefly about my symptoms. No doctor’s visit necessary.

        I quite like it.

    • Urthona

      He has no symptoms though.

      • Chafed

        That’s the incredible part to me. He’s 73 and has no symptoms.

      • Tres Cool

        Oh, Im going to start emailing asking for his daily temperature and any other symptoms he has.
        https://governor.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/governor/contact

        I dont know if HIPPA trumps (HA!) FOIA, but if that corrupt fucker (that ruined the Pike County shootings investigation) never gets sick? Ill do my best to tell everyone.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/ocr-bulletin-3-28-20.pdf

        OCR also issued guidance on when the HIPAA Privacy Rule permits a covered entity to disclose the protected health information of an individual who has been infected with, or exposed to, COVID-19, with law enforcement, paramedics, other first responders, and public health authorities without the individual’s authorization.

      • Incentives Matter

        I’m not that surprised. Three members of my extended family have had the L’il ‘Rona, including my 82-year-old MIL, who had what she described as a “bad cold” for a week and subsequently found out she had the virus. It’s gonna be fascinating reading the after-action reports on this virus in a few years, when we (hopefully) find out how various people, especially the elderly, could contract the virus without symptoms or with symptoms much milder than, y’know, death.

      • DEG

        It’s gonna be fascinating reading the after-action reports on this virus in a few years, when we (hopefully) find out how various people, especially the elderly, could contract the virus without symptoms or with symptoms much milder than, y’know, death.

        They’ll be buried if they happen at all.

    • gbob

      I mean, the fat half seems inevitable. Women can’t seem to keep their weight more than two years into a relationship with me. (Of course, not speaking about libertarian women, since they’re not real. I hope this keeps Banjos, Hayek, MO and everyone from lynching me)

      • Chafed

        You can hope.

      • TARDIS

        Mythological Libertarian Women suddenly decide to binge watch Dexter. Many notes were scribed during viewing. At least gbob won’t feel the dismemberment part.

      • Nephilium

        So the MLWs are all going to become lumberjacks?

      • TARDIS

        Lumberjacks are brutes. MLWs will probably use tomahawks.

      • Tejicano

        My wife actually lost about 2 lbs in the 9-10 months between getting pregnant and delivering our first spawn. Spawn was normal weight. While, yeah, it can be difficult to maintain weight while carrying and providing nutrition for an additional human it isn’t true that putting on weight is unavoidable.

  8. grrizzly

    Data sets are routinely saved in Excel before they are sent to other parties. Importing an Excel file into your statistical tool of choice always presents a risk.

    • tarran

      I have an ever increasingly-complex vba macro I use to export excel sheets into csv files. Its sole purpose: to ensure that MS Azure can actually import the file without shitting itself.

      I predicted Microsoft’s demise about fifteen years ago. I’m still waiting for my prediction to come true.

      • Negroni Please

        I think excel is up there with post-it notes as one of the greatest modern inventions.

        But just like post-it notes, excel has no place in actual serious work

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        excel has no place in actual serious work

        Just like Salesforce

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        yes. we use excel heavily as a supplement to our database since the DB sucks so bad.

      • leon

        Databases, always presenting the question: Do you really want to know that?

      • Mostly Peaceful JaimeRoberto

        But do you have a single pane of glass?

      • Rhywun

        MS Excel is the MS Access of spreadsheets.

      • mrfamous

        The problem is that “serious work” often has to wind up in non-scientific hands, and those hands use Excel.

        My favorite workaround is to stop using .csv files, and start using either tab (my preferred) or comma delimited *.txt files. When you import said files into Excel, it gives you a dialog box where you can choose the format of each of the imported columns. Select “text” for the problem column and you’re good to go.

        The .csv files will automatically load into Excel and in the process automatically convert the problem column to dates.

      • Rhywun

        I’ve performed that ceremony more times than I can count. Being a programmer, I naturally wanted to automate it with VBA but it’s easier to just run through the damn wizard yet again.

      • Grummun

        My problem is that researchers (clinicians), who have no idea how to properly manage data, use Excel as a general data management tool for data the ought to be in a real* database. And then a .xlsx that looks like a flock of pigeons just took off lands in my inbox.

        *not Access.

      • thepasswordispassword

        It’s difficult to defeat an automagic dynamically typed, WYSIWYG/REPL data interface. Someone wants to tweak a number here and see it suddenly update everywhere else? Why bother trying to anticipate the outcome of a function when you can just live edit forumlas until the numbers on screen match. Plus you get easy GUI design since you can put your data cells wherever you want on the sheet, highlighting certain rows, using groupings to create table headers you can sort on. It’s versatile, easier to use than PHP and thrice as dangerous. Debugging? Unit testing? Diffing between versions? Ain’t no one got time for that.

      • mikey

        +1 SOLVEFOR (appropriately obscured of course)

      • Overt

        I’m sorry but I love me some Google Sheets.

        I had a program management team who did major corporate initiatives- like getting 500 teams migrated onto new build pipelines and the like. A key part of coordinating all that work was the dashboards- pulling in data from different corporate systems, attributing work units to the right manager, rolling it up to leaders and calculating done %. When we used a formal reporting team, it would take months to get started.

        With google sheets, we could push data into sheets super easy. You could do data transforms if you knew a little javascript. And everyone could swarm on it during a meeting to make changes all at once. And it has built in versioning, history and source control. Some executive comes to us demanding that we split his org into two data sets? No problem. Takes me an hour. Cornflower Blue headers? I’ll do it while you are in the conference room.

      • Tejicano

        Back when I was a global corporate working dog I used to used Excel to roll out new processes because it was easy to send the files to everybody and I didn’t have to jump through hoops setting up special software on every PC while training all the warehouse staff how to use the new system. Just walk them through the functions of my spreadsheet and send them on their way.

      • Hyperion

        The only thing worse than spreadsheets, are dot matrix printers and those are gone. Speadsheet is asshole, everyone have own and no two alike.

      • Not Adahn

        I had no idea you were a proctologist.

      • juris imprudent

        I will take even the most ungodly spreadsheet over PowerPoint, every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        yesssssssssss

        *vigorously ignores lingering project to auto-generated PowerPoint slides for various quarterly presentations*

      • Hyperion

        Not sure ya’ll are getting the point. In the old day, we’d build these fancy apps with SQL databases. And we’d create reports for everyone to use.

        But like with everything people do not like change.

        I remember being in meeting and numbers being talked about. And I’d take printed reports to the meeting for everyone to use. And what would they do, in unison? That’s not what my spreadsheet says. Me either! Me either!

        Let me see those… hmm, none of these agree…

        In unision, mine is the right one!

        Nope, you’re all wrong, the reports are correct, I cross checked all of these numbers.

        Why do we need this program! No one uses it, we have our spreadsheets!

        This literally would go on for months before they gave it up.

      • Brett L

        Hyp has basically described my niche… destroying all spreadsheets and making the source systems share data.

      • Nephilium

        Hyperion: Welcome to the world of call center reporting. No one know who designed, modified, updated, or maintains the report. But they are sure they’re right. Even if they spit out results that are on their face incorrect (Max Time to Abandon was 300 seconds, 2 calls were abandoned, you cannot have an average abandon time over 300 seconds). Then the managers all want custom reports (which are pricey, require someone to maintain them, and will be tossed aside when the next manager comes in).

        Then they take these reports, dump them into Excel where they “update” them. Then they get mad when I point out that the real data doesn’t match what they’ve been reporting “for months”.

      • Hyperion

        Yeah, I kept having to tell them over and over again, I’m not putting down your math skills, but we have thousands of products rolling off this line per day, and literally tens of thousands of data transactions per hour capturing this data real time.

        You started doing your report on Monday in your spare time and you finished it up on Tuesday, while this guy over here didn’t get his done to Thursday because he had to much other stuff to do. If I look at this report and in 10 minutes I refresh it, the numbers will have changed! It’s not your fault, it’s just that what you’re trying to do isn’t humanly possible.

        They finally gave it up, but it was a fight.

    • kinnath

      I like the MS office suite.

      I remember the bad old days of trying to get Word Perfect and Lotus Notes to play nice together. And I remember when being able to print presentations on to plastic “slide stock” was a vast improvement over what came before.

      The primary problem is the suite tries to do too many things and people abuse that.

      • Surly Knott

        That was one of the big problems with Lotus Notes.
        Then “redacted” decided all changes had to go through one office. Which turned out to be one person. Who had other tasks as well.
        That was a whole new world of pain. I’m glad I’m retired.

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      God help you if Excel tries to ‘assist’ you by turning your long string of very important numbers into engineering/scientific notation. I honestly think that Excel is at least 50% responsible for my baldness.

  9. leon

    But if this goes through, I look forward to the precedent being applied to the SPLC.

    Hah! That’s a good one. No, the crudel of government is never turned against the friends of the state. And if, say, some conservative AG were to do that. Well, they would just be racists who love hate!

  10. Negroni Please

    Trust the experts!

    If you’re too much of a fuckwit to understand excel then I’m not sure I’d accept your expertise in any arena

  11. Grosspatzer

    Does Excel still think 1900 is a leap year? I had an issue years ago where the programmatic output from a query failed to match Excel results due to this, and ended up having to modify my process to make the Excel jockeys happy. Who ya gonna believe, Microsoft or your in-house drone?

    • mrfamous

      Yes it does. ’60’ converts to 2/29/1900. And ‘0’ converts to 1/0/1900?!?!?

      Of course that doesn’t really matter since 12/31/1899 doesn’t exist in date format anyway.

      It’s a horrible system but no one wants to change it lest a whole bunch of important things that shouldn’t be on Excel go ‘POOF’

    • Rhywun

      My company had a client that refused our pleas to integrate with our database in a normal fashion and instead would only submit Excel files to us. I told the business manager person that attempting to support Excel (there was going to be a long list of other clients) would only lead to a world of hurt.

      That project didn’t go anywhere.

      • leon

        I had the misfortune of working at such a place, where the sales/business managers didn’t consult with the developers before promising such ponies to customers.

      • Rhywun

        My guy took my side but folded at the last minute. A year later and the client still couldn’t give us a spreadsheet that fit our requirements.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        My current software project involves integrating with our (third party) database whose only bulk interfaces are a reporting system that spits out poorly constructed spreadsheets and a bulk updater that takes in spreadsheets that have to be specifically formatted and can only edit a certain subset of the records and only a subset of the fields on those records.

        My managers want to run my software as a wrapper around this DB, and I’ve spent 2-3 months just building partial-read capability. I’m trying to convince them touse the shadow DB I’m running on my server so I don’t have to do RPA for every unsupported change to a field.

        This project had/has a ton of potential, but I definitely bit off more than I could chew.

      • Grosspatzer

        I just love 3rd-party DBs. “Give us your data. We’ll let you know what you’re allowed to do with it. And if you decide you want to migrate to a different platform, we’ll be glad to help you export the DB. For a very reasonable fee.”

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        We did the math. $1M to migrate to another provider.

        Their biggest fear, to be honest, is having me code up some homebrew replacement, and then not being able to support it because my day job gets in the way (or I leave the company). I told them that they could hire a development team for a year for 20% of the migration cost, and then hire on an admin for 20% of what we’re currently paying, but theyre afraid of the buck stopping with them when the thing crashes.

      • Nephilium

        /glares at ServiceNow

      • Overt

        ServiceNow is even worse. So flexible that a halfway ambitious manager can automated 20 or 30 manual processes with custom ticketing workflows before he realizes that his 4 person team will NEVER be able to support the changing requirements of those 20 or 30 customer groups.

      • Rhywun

        For a very reasonable fee

        LOL my company went that route with a major system. Lost something like 20 million in that deal. And they never gave us a data dictionary for when I had to extract the data for another project. You’ve probably heard of those guys – they’re huge in the field.

      • Grosspatzer

        Wouldn’t surprise me. Back in 2001 I had the pleasure of representing my employer as the DB expert at a sales pitch for Oracle Applications held at Oracle HQ on Madison Ave. I knew we were in trouble right away – our 5-man team was seated in the middle row in a large conference room. Up front was the Oracle marketing and technical gang, behind us representatives of multiple consulting firms to pitch their implementation and support capabilities. The basic thrust of this dog-and-pony show was “flexibility”. Long story short, you could customize your system any way you wanted through the use of “custom columns”, the creation of which was automated through a spiffy admin tool. After the session, I told my management to run away from this as quickly as possible – you could not (at that time) properly optimize a row-store DB that allows this since you will never know what should be indexed. We did not buy the product.

    • mrfamous

      One other thing, if you do add and subtract functions on Excel in date format, one workaround to help with 19th and 18th century dates is to use the ‘DATE’ function and add 400 years in the ‘year’ parameter. Then you can add and subtract whatever you need and then convert back once you’re done.

      So if you want to calculate someone’s ‘exact’ age on August 6, 1945 and they were born on September 9, 1898, you won’t throw up a bunch of errors.

      • Grosspatzer

        August 6, 1945

        To be fair, that date would blow up any program.

      • mrfamous

        Hadn’t even realized

  12. Hyperion

    Anyone heard the media gloating about the polls lately? No. That’s because Biden’s big lead has just evaporated into thin air. I also find it hilarious that they have Texas, Georgia, Indiana, and South Carolina as battleground states.

    I guess they’re still super confident that he’ll be up by 20 pts again as soon as he announces Rice or Harris as VP. Or maybe it’ll jump to +30 when he shocks everyone by picking Warren.

      • Hyperion

        Overall just 0.1% better than Hilldawg was at this point in 2016 nationally. The difference is that Hillary had a very slow decline or sort of a back and forth to that point, Biden is sinking like a lead brick.

      • Gadfly

        Another interesting comparison from RCP is this one comparing favorability ratings. Standard disclaimer on polls and what not, but if it is in fact true that Trump’s favorability rating vs Biden is better than his rating vs Clinton, that is not good news for Biden. I still think the race is Biden’s to lose, but he does seem to have a decent possibility of doing so. But this is such a crazy year, who knows what’s really going on.

      • Chafed

        But this is such a crazy year, who knows what’s really going on.

        There’s the money quote.

      • R C Dean

        But Also this time last election Hillary had experienced a large boost.

        Their convention started July 25th, and that usually boosts a candidate for a bit.

    • hayeksplosives

      I am a female (really), and I find it very condescending and patronizing that Biden announced his pick will be a woman.

      That makes the VP nod a shiny bauble being offered by White Man Joe to the candidate of his choosing, and implies that the top qualification is not necessarily the winner.

      I knew enough to be insulted that there was a different min score required on the ACT and SAT for women to earn an automatic scholarship. “Oh, so women are inherently less capable to do this test? Here, hold my Diet Coke.”

      I gotta think I’m not the only woman who feels this way about a role being carved out for a “woman of color” without even knowing who she will be.

      • leon

        Yeah, but you’re not a real woman. Real women(tm) eat that shit up. Or at least they do in the minds of male feminists.

      • Not Adahn

        Question for you: Did you have first aid in school? In Broken Arrow, it was a daily thing in fifth grade, but none of the other glibs seems to have heard of that. I’m wondering if it was a “the hospital is far away” thing.

      • Plinker762

        Broken Arrow? Did one of the missles blow up?

      • Agent Cooper

        Jeff Chandler, is that you?

      • Suthenboy

        There is a fundamental difference in the way they think…they being leftists, but I don’t really like that label. Collectivists? They spend all of their time and energy making sure they are accepted and part of the right team. Personal merit means nothing to them. It is all virtue signaling and projection with that crowd.

        Also, you are an outlier both in general and for your gender.

        *Wife rose to department head and spent 25 years as such in one of the largest hospitals in Louisiana. She is an outlier too*

      • Q Continuum

        Step 1: Ace the test.
        Step 2: Say “Tits like this and brains too!”

      • Mostly Peaceful JaimeRoberto

        I’m neither a woman nor a minority, but I think I’d find it incredibly condescending too. But maybe that’s just my white cis hetero male privilege talking.

      • Hyperion

        “I am a female (really)”

        What? All this time you’ve been a girl. Who knew?

      • TARDIS

        Yes, but can she pass the Voight-Kampff test?

      • Hyperion

        “Biden announced his pick will be a woman.”

        And then he said it will be a ‘black woman’.

        Twice the condescending for the price of one!

      • Chafed

        You’re a good girl. A really good girl. President Biden will be so good for you.

        /Democratic operative

      • juris imprudent

        Wondering what physical appendages said Democratic operative would be missing after saying that to HE‘s face. I suppose that might depend on if the operative previously identified as male.

    • The Other Kevin

      Indiana is such a battleground state that I voted for Johnson last time and didn’t have a second thought about it.

      • Hyperion

        If they think IN or SC are battleground states, they are seriously deluded.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    Amid last month’s rise in Covid-19 cases, DeWin imposed additional measures to try to slow the spread of the disease in his state.

    A rampaging success.

    In a medical trial, when there is no difference between the test subjects and the placebo, they shut the whole thing down, right? They don’t make everybody take the placebo. Or am I wrong about that?

  14. Hyperion

    “This seems like overreach to me.”

    Maybe if she sets up an autonomous woke zone in NY and declares sovereign rule over it, her and a gang of homeless wokesters can just declare it to be so.

  15. Gustave Lytton

    Even then, a scientist might fix their own data, but as soon as someone else opens the same spreadsheet in Excel without thinking, errors will be introduced all over again.

    Apparently the article writer doesn’t use Excel either.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Hey man, I use double variable types for all my inventory counts. It’s much more accurate that way.

  16. Nephilium

    Just got off a tech call (one where I was the customer even), and the guy was freaking out about taking his daughter to “the COVID infected college” up here in Ohio. He was saying it was so much worse that DeWine was asymptomatic, because then he could have been going around and spreading it. Cheebus fucking Christ… if it’s asymptomatic in most people, isn’t that a good thing?

    • Suthenboy

      Dude….get people scared and there is no end to the stupidity they will engage in.
      Fear is the mind killer.

    • R C Dean

      (1) I thought asymptomatic people presented minimal risk of transmission.

      (2) If you’re asymptomatic, that just means you don’t suffer before you inevitably die.

      • Nephilium

        There were news reports about asymptomatic “super-spreaders” early during the lockdowns. I don’t think any have ever been verified or found.

      • Overt

        In fact the major one of those was a case study where they NEVER INTERVIEWED THE ACTUAL INFECTED PERSON. They asked the german businessmen and they all said she was asymptomatic. But when someone finally tracked the woman down, she said she had woken up that morning with a fever and a dry cough- she just cow-girled up and didn’t show it in an important business meeting.

      • juris imprudent

        That’s the person going to all of the COVID parties.

    • DEG

      #4, #5, #7 have good iChive galleries.

      I like #26.

  17. Gustave Lytton

    the NRA has been a joke since at least Oliver North got run off for asking for an independent audit elected.

    Fify. Well, more of a joke. It’s been a joke for years. I personally date it to when WLP backtracked from jack booted thugs, but he’s been corrupt before that.

    • Chafed

      He reminds me of Grover Norquist. On the surface, they mostly say the right things. But when push comes to shove, they are just partisan hacks. Deep down they are both grifters.

      • Viking1865

        The NRA is much more a “hold what you got” attitude. Which, hey, I can kind of see where they are coming from. The fact is, I don’t think we can ever get our actual gun rights back, because too much time has passed.

        Politics is downstream from culture. People’s minds were not changed on the AR15 because of lobbyists or ad campaigns or politicians, they were changed because people started shooting them and buying them. The prices dropped, and the explosion in roll your own drove the tinkerer market. They’re fun, and they’re all over. It’s no longer a thing the weird guy at the gun store buys when everyone else is looking at the deer rifles and bird guns. It doesn’t scare the normies anymore.

        The Hughes Amendment might be the most effective bit of gun control legislation ever passed. Freezing the supply of MGs means it’s something only the very rich few can afford, and because they cost so much money you now have a powerful incentive for those people who still buy and sell them to keep the law in place. So machine guns are forever consigned to the world of villains. Very very few people know anyone who has one. So they are susceptible to propaganda.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Yeah, Grover Norquist…

        *stares wistfully at bathtub*

    • Plinker762

      I let my membership expire after they shit on Neal Knox.

  18. The Late P Brooks

    if it’s asymptomatic in most people, isn’t that a good thing?

    I haven’t figured out why “asymptomatic” =/= “harmless”.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      BECAUSE THEY SPREAD IT TO OTHERS WHO WILL ON AVERAGE BE ASYMPTOMATIC

      It’s like you don’t even science.

    • kinnath

      It depends on whether people that don’t look or feel sick can spread the disease.

      • juris imprudent

        Diamond Princess and USS T. Roosevelt say “probably not”.

      • mrfamous

        What I hate about this is that people think that if the answer is ‘yes,’ they then assume that it’s equally as likely that they will spread it as a symptomatic person. And the answer to that is ‘absolutely not.’ But since the media and most in government is perfectly fine with people thinking that since it suits their purposes, they let that go unchallenged.

        If you don’t know whether you have it, and are not showing symptoms, and you are only briefly exposed to someone, and that someone is younger than 50…

        …then the percentage chance that said person is any danger from you due to COVID is so close to 0% that it’s not even worth considering.

    • leon

      The idea was that you could transmit it as an asymptomatic, though that has been contested.

      I think part of the problem is asymptomatic vs, really light symptoms that people chalked up (in the beggining) to something else (a cold etc.)

      • Cancelled

        I am not in any way trained in infectious disease anything but it seems to me that absolute lanugauge about this subject is almost certainly inappropriate. What we are talking about here, as with all the panic about AIDS transmission via casual contact back in the early days of AIDS, is likelihood of transmission, not possibility. ‘Catching’ a virus means having enough virus genetic material get into, and coopt, enough of your cells to make you sick. Since what a virus does is turn your cells into little virus replicators it is theoretically possible for a handful of your cells, or possibly even one to get infected and then spread the disease throughout your system to the point where you get sick, but the likelihood goes up as the number of your cells infected initially increases, or the length of time you are exposed (with new cells getting infected) increases. So basically your odds of getting sick are dependent on how much still viable virus gets into you. What determines that, and what makes a disease more contagious or less, is 1. how the viral material is ejected by the sick person (exhalation, blood, other bodily fluid etc.) and 2. How long the viral material stays viable in various environments. In all cases you are talking about likelihoods, and odd cases can happen. It is theoretically possible to get herpes brushing up against someone with the disease, it is just so horribly unlikely that it will probably never happen. Having unprotected sex with someone with open sores makes the likelihood quite high, so we call it an STD, but it isn’t magic. It is odds.

    • Negroni Please

      I still don’t get how people don’t see this as a media monster.

      If it wasn’t on the news 24/7 I wouldn’t even know it existed. I still don’t know a single person that had it, and I know OF only one person that had it.

      Alternatively we all fucking had it and got over it like normal cold.

      Either way without the media I wouldn’t even suspect covid was a problem

      • Nephilium

        I have met one person who said they had it, tested positive (they were a nurse), and it wasn’t bad at all.

  19. DEG

    This seems like overreach to me. I mean, certainly the NRA has been a joke since at least Oliver North got run off for asking for an independent audit, but I’m not really seeing how one can call for dissolution of a lobbying organization solely because the board wrote itself sweet-heart deals. But if this goes through, I look forward to the precedent being applied to the SPLC.

    It won’t be applied to the SPLC.

    The NRA has been a joke long before they ran Ollie North off.

    Full disclosure: I’ve been a life member for so long I’m probably costing the NRA money.

    DeWine, a Republican, has no symptoms of the virus, but plans to quarantine at his home for the next two weeks, according to the statement.

    Imagine a virus so deadly you have to get tested to know you have it.

    • Drake

      I paid for a 3-year membership extension about 3 years ago. They shan’t be getting any more money from me.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        GOA, as we all know the NRA’s a mess.

      • DEG

        I have a life membership there too.

    • Pope Jimbo

      What about the Clinton Foundation?

      Surely they must be quaking in their shoes at this news.

  20. DEG

    I am pleasantly surprised

    That’s thanks for Judge Joseph LaPlante, who, as we reported first back on July 28, ruled that as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and Gov. Chris Sununu’s “stay-at-home” and “safer-at-home” orders would be required to obtain only 65 percent of nomination papers it would normally be required to obtain.

    We’ve learned that LaPlante’s ruling became final this week when the state asked him to issue a final order, meaning that an appeal is unlikely.

    The ruling, which rejected arguments by Sununu through the attorney general’s office, meant that the Libertarians would be required to submit 1,950 nomination papers for statewide offices, instead of the traditional 3,000 signature.

    Normally, Libertarian candidates would have been required to obtain 1,500 signatures from each of the state’s two congressional districts. But the judge’s ruling meant that at least 975 signatures would be required from each district.

    I predicted the case would go against them. I was wrong.

    • Grumbletarian

      I thought the LP had guaranteed access in 2020 by virtue of GayJay’s strong performance in 2016.

      • leon

        Geeze. yeah he got 4.5% of the vote. What kind of requirements do they have in NH to get auto ballot access?

      • DEG

        Heh.

        In NH, you get automatic ballot access if any candidate for a statewide office (governor, US President, or US Senate) gets at least 5% of the vote.

        I expect the governor and president candidates will not breach that level. Senate might. We’ll see.

    • Hyperion

      Not sure how much the LP can get of the vote this year, but I’m betting it will be less than 1%. The Ds and Rs are too divided into hatred of each other at this point and the LP is going leftward almost as fast as the Ds.

      I do think it would be hilarious if Kanye actually runs and pulls off a bunch of D voters into his camp. 2016 all over gain, although even more delicious proggie tears. Man could I ever use a bunch of proggie tear barres at this point.

      • leon

        The only place i’ve heard Kanye trying to get access is Ohio, which i doubt is part of Joe Biden’s plan for success.

      • Hyperion

        It’s like this, if Biden is not going to campaign and I don’t see it happening, the last presidential candidate people in the midwest would have heard from, would be the bad orange man. That really does not… I mean wasn’t that part of the reason everyone was saying Hillary lost the blue wall?

      • Gadfly

        He has also already gotten on the ballot in Oklahoma, AFAIK, but that’s not a state that’s really in contention.

      • Gadfly

        OK, so I decided to look it up after commenting, and here’s the status of Kanye’s campaign, for anyone else who’s curious:

        On the ballot: Oklahoma
        Petition submitted for ballot access: Colorado, Missouri, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, West Virginia, Vermont
        Petition submitted but withdrawn after challenge: New Jersey

        But he’s missed the deadline for 21 states, including the big ones of Texas, Florida, New York, and Pennsylvania

        Also, the only polls to include him showing him pulling about the same support in the election as Jo Jorgensen, so sadly we won’t be seeing him on the debate stage.

      • Hyperion

        Unless the greens are having someone on the stage, look’s like it’s bad orange man vs bad orange man.

  21. Suthenboy

    Excel is still a thing? Huh.

    Letitia can go fuck herself. For. that matter so can the NRA. Ya’ know what, so can the state governors. Where did these fucksticks get the idea that they have the power to end freedom of association?

    *Attends BP board meeting, walks around table passing. out pink slips* – “You are fired…and you are fired…and you are fired and you too, you are fired…”

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      “Where did these fucksticks get the idea that they have the power to end freedom of association?”

      I’m not happy about it but apparently they’re correct. The apolitical courts (hyuk hyuk) seem to agree with them.

      • Suthenboy

        *reads over the first amendment*

        Uh…no. They are not correct. Not only do they not have the authority to do that but they are specifically forbidden from doing so.

    • leon

      Has trump run an add where Biden tells voters to vote for Trump?

    • Negroni Please

      But Biden will still get 95% of the black vote. So….is he wrong?

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        I’d be willing to bet that Trump will do better then most Republican presidential candidates. Not good but still.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        With black folks I mean.

    • Hyperion

      The democrats are basically the same people who owned slaves in the 1800s.

      I say that because in a lot of my readings on those days, many slave owners, probably a majority, held the firm belief that ‘those poor helpless critters’ should be thanking us for looking out for them. Lawd knows they can’t take care of themselves. It’s just striking how much today’s democrats are exactly the same as back then. And they aren’t shy about stating it in public. The only difference is that they call everyone else racists, they’ve just gotten to be much better liars.

      Biden just cannot help it. He’s been racist his entire life and then, when it because not politically correct to say it in public, his mind was just too far gone to correct the habit.

    • Chafed

      That looks edited to me. I think the second half was taken out of context.

      • Viking1865

        Nah, he’s actually making the very salient political point that, in electoral terms, “the black vote” is not the same thing as “The Latino vote.”

        Black Americans, politically speaking, vote straight ticket Democrat. Rich/poor, highschool/postgrad, religous/secular, however you split it up. It’s 90-10

        The Latino vote is often tossed around as being the same kind of bloc, but it isn’t. He’s alluding to the fact that a Cuban or Venezuelan immigrant spits on the ground when you talk about socialism, and that some Texan named Chavez whose family has owned the same ranch for 150 years probably isn’t interested in some kind of massive tax hike, giving the EPA power over his stock tank, and a ban on AR15s.

  22. DEG

    NH DoJ looking into MA’s taxation of NH residents on work from home from their jobs in MA

    The state Department of Justice is reviewing whether other states are improperly collecting income tax from New Hampshire residents working from home, Gov. Chris Sununu announced Wednesday.

    “We will take immediate steps to stop any attempts to impose income taxes on Granite Staters in a manner that violates the law or the New Hampshire or United States Constitution,” the governor said in a statement.

    The review was prompted by a report in the New Hampshire Sunday News about an emergency measure passed by Massachusetts to collect income tax from workers who commute there from neighboring states but have been working from home since the pandemic.

    Legislators from both major parties backed the review and criticized Massachusetts.

    The governor said the state Department of Justice will conduct a review of each state’s actions to determine whether any state is engaging in improper taxation of New Hampshire residents.

  23. hayeksplosives

    I see with satisfaction that MN CD5 is running a Dem primary challenge against. ilhan Omar. That seat is hopelessly blue but there’s no need to contribute further to that criminal thug’s plan for America.

    • Pope Jimbo

      It isn’t looking good for her. The fund raising has been about equal, but almost all of her funding has been from outside the district, while his has been mostly from constituents.

      Also (see below for link) the Red Star came out and endorsed her opponent.

    • juris imprudent

      AOC and Tlaib both turned back challengers, so I wouldn’t hold my breath. Now, if the Somali constituents decided she was not a good representative of the clan…

      • Pope Jimbo

        Most of the Somalis have turned on her. Her core constituency are the crazy white proggs who think they are so cool because they vote for a woman, refugee, muslim POC.

        They have no problems with her adultery or drinking. Somalis have some heartburn.

      • juris imprudent

        They have no problems with her adultery or drinking.

        But they all scream like banshees about Trump supporters overlooking his peccadilloes.

      • TARDIS

        Piece o’ crap?

    • Pope Jimbo

      When are the usual suspects going to start in on how mask laws are racist because they affect POC more than the Caucazoids?

      • DEG

        I thought that already happened in Oregon where one county, before the statewide mandate, said PoC were exempt from the mask mandate?

    • Plisade

      🙁 And we were doing so well.

  24. Pope Jimbo
      • Q Continuum

        “The Strib didn’t mention the anti-semitism, the brother marrying or the fraudulent tax returns, but the fact that they didn’t back Omar makes me think that the internal polling is really bad for her. Omar doesn’t seem like the type of person you can cross without worrying about repercussions if she does win.”

        That’s the only possible reason that they’d endorse her. It’s all about power with these people, ends justifying the means. They don’t give a shit about the corruption or the anti-Semitism, they’ll back whoever is going to have the power.

    • kinnath

      I bought 2K rounds yesterday for $750 plus tax.

    • Suthenboy

      Yes. Never before in my lifetime has ‘keep your powder dry’ sounded like such sound advice.

      If they keep pushing the time for talking will be over.

  25. DEG

    Municipal mask ordinances spreading like a virus in New Hampshire

    MANCHESTER — An ordinance requiring city residents to wear masks in indoor public spaces could be brought to aldermen for their consideration as soon as next month.

    Health Director Anna Thomas told the Board of Mayor and Aldermen on Tuesday her department is reviewing the logistics of a mask ordinance for the state’s largest city. She said she wanted to give board members plenty of notice.

    “It would only pertain to indoor environments,” Thomas said. “If someone is walking down the street, we’re not going to be issuing them a citation if they’re not wearing a mask and socially distanced. It’s got to be a practical thing.”

    Once the judge denied a preliminary injunction in the Nashua mask ordinance case, municipalities around NH decided this means it is A-OK for them to pass mask ordinances. Except, in a preliminary injunction hearing, the judge doesn’t rule on the merits of the case. A hearing is going to happen about the NH mask ordinance, though I don’t know the date it is scheduled.

    Durham and Newmarket have passed mask ordinances. Durham Police have said they will enforce Durham’s. I have no word on whether or not Newmarket Police will enforce Newmarket’s.

    Plymouth and Keene will vote on mask ordinances this week. According to contacts I have, the Plymouth Police are completely uninterested in enforcing such an ordinance. I have heard that the Keene police plan to enforce such an ordinance, but I don’t have anything definitive.

    Nashua, NH police are still completely uninterested in enforcing the ordinance. In fact, I was in a bar last night to get dinner. I saw only one customer wearing a mask. No staff wore masks, and no other customers wore masks.

    • DEG

      Add Hanover, NH to the list.

    • Rhywun

      I’m utterly baffled why these are coming six months into this shit.

      • Nephilium

        To show why we can’t just open up. It identifies the outsiders, the malcontents, those interested in malicious compliance, those who aren’t taking this seriously enough damn it!

        /said by someone who is wearing a paper mask covering their chin and neck.

  26. Drake

    Glassdoor just sent me an email saying “You look like a good fit for the job at TikTok.”

    Thanks for the laugh guys.

    • Urthona

      Cushy gig if Microsoft buys it.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      …well, did you apply?

      • Drake

        Nope – not really a match and I doubt I’d make it a week there.

  27. Rhywun

    The article is paywalled but I assume that if/when the plague dies down, BP will ramp production back up and the MSM will have zero interest in reporting it.

    • Gadfly

      I assume you’re correct. Considering oil futures actually went negative briefly near the start of the shutdowns, it makes sense to keep reducing supply until demand returns.

  28. The Late P Brooks

    Either way without the media I wouldn’t even suspect covid was a problem

    This.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      That’s a good way to put it.

    • Hyperion

      ditto

  29. Pope Jimbo

    This story is for Fourscore because I know how much he loves Gov Walz.

    Recently the media has gotten hold of a lot of emails/texts between Mayor Frey and Gov Walz regarding who asked for help when. Lots of incompetence to go around, but Walz looks especially bad.

    For example:

    Walz today: “I don’t think the mayor knew what he was asking for…I think the mayor said, ‘I request the National Guard, whew, this is great. We’re going to have massively trained troops.’ No. You’re going to have 19 year olds who are cooks.”

    Yup. The National Guard are nothing but some dumb cooks. Extra galling because Walz touted his service in the Guard when he ran for Congress and then for Governor. Nice to see he is still as loyal to them as the day when he resigned early rather than deploying to Iraq with his unit.

    • Fourscore

      SGM Walz is a hero and deserves an extra bonus for his heroism in declining an opportunity to lead his men to a hostile area. Who else would take a reduction in rank and retire so another young man would have an opportunity for a promotion.? C’mon, man, think of the cooks.

      Those meanie protesters just wanted to make a white guy mayor look incompetent.

  30. Bobarian LMD

    write and distribute a macro.

    Listen here, you privileged shitlord! You think the government will let you access macros on your PC?

    And distribute? What, are you a chinese spy?!?

    Seriously, this is a bane to my existence. Every time Microsoft distributes an ‘improvement’ in an Office product, the cyber-security gestapo take away more of our capabilities.

  31. leon

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/05/sally-yates-partisanship-on-full-display-in-russiagate-judiciary-committee-hearing/

    Federalist on Sally Yates testimony. Sums it up pretty well. Yates testimony was pretty much “I refuse to look at the new evidence” and post hoc justifications that in light of new evidence don’t make sense.

    For example she says that investigating Flynn was legitimate because they thought he was comporomised by the russians, even though Comey told Obama that he though the phone call was legit. The Woman is an absolute corrupt piece of shit.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      She is a corrupt hack but at this point it’s too late and legally compromising to admit the mistake even if she believes made it. She’d be a perfect political appointee fallguy for this stuff and she knows it.

      • peachy rex

        Bingo. She’s big enough to be a satisfying scalp for one side; and small enough that the other side won’t feel obliged to protect her. I bet she lawyered up months ago.

  32. Semi-Spartan Dad

    WSJ Essay: tl/dr Freedom is Slavery

    The True Face of Freedom Wears a Mask
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-true-face-of-freedom-wears-a-mask-11596727495

    Once you recognize the fretwork of rules that makes freedom possible, you see how so many liberals and conservatives have wrongly framed the situation we find ourselves in today. Liberals, for their part, routinely speak about the common good outweighing individual freedoms. Many libertarians, amid the pandemic, echo the sentiment. In the words of David Boaz of the Cato Institute, “We believe in the presumption of liberty. But that presumption can be overcome in particular circumstances.” Once you posit a trade-off between liberty and rational public-health strictures, of course, you invite disagreement about when the sacrifice of liberty is justified; maybe our Sanitary Spartacans simply value liberty more than others do.

    What our latter-day Sanitary Spartacans have failed to grasp is that someone can constrict your freedom by making you deathly ill; and barefaced scofflaws can hinder our broader liberties by entrenching a contagion that inevitably restricts the normal conduct of business and social intercourse. Perpetuating the pandemic limits the scope of everyone’s individual autonomy. That’s why, in many places today, the true face of freedom wears a mask.

    • Q Continuum

      CWAA.

      WASF (we are so fucked).

      • leon

        AHHH It’s contagious!

      • kinnath

        TMITE

        OK, I don’t know this one. A little help please.

      • Q Continuum

        The Media Is The Enemy.

      • kinnath

        thanks

      • leon

        Another glib struck down by an extreme case of Acronymplembosis. (ECOA)

    • Semi-Spartan Dad

      Those typos are in the article itself. Looks like WSJ editing has joined their reporters in going down the drain.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      the true face of freedom wears a mask.

      You know who else just wanted people to wear something for their own good?

      • Q Continuum

        My middle school health teacher?

      • Q Continuum

        Wouldn’t that be יהוה?

      • Suthenboy

        Me, after my first marriage ended?

      • Nephilium

        Nathaniel Hawthorne?

      • Grosspatzer

        Medieval knights?

    • Suthenboy

      “…the common good outweighing individual freedoms. Many libertarians, amid the pandemic, echo the sentiment.”

      “We believe in the presumption of liberty. But that presumption can be overcome in particular circumstances.”

      Libertarians, my ass.

    • mrfamous

      The “Sanitary Spartacans” stuff is from a name of a group in 1918 that protested the masks. The “mask tyrants” (if they’re gonna name call, well I respond in kind) continue to assert that the masks were effective in controlling the 1918 flu epidemic when every subsequent study of said epidemic says that they were not. From the Director of the California state Board of Health at the time:

      https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.10.1.34

      Final conclusion: “6. Masks have not been demonstrated to have a degree of efficiency that would warrant their compulsory application for the checking of epidemics.”

      He recommends further study into the issue and those studies did indeed take place, and they all reached similar conclusions, including, eventually, the masks apparent ineffectiveness by trained surgical teams in operating theaters as well.

      But yes us “Sanitary Spartacans” are the ‘anti-science’ folks. Maddening.

      • grrizzly

        They noticed that the masks didn’t work back in 1919.

        The failure of the mask was a source of disappointment, for the first experiment in San Francisco was watched with interest with the expectation that if it proved feasible to enforce the regulation the desired result would be achieved. The reverse proved true. The masks, contrary to expectation, were worn cheerfully and universally, and also, contrary to expectation of what should follow under such circumstances, no effect on the epidemic curve was to be seen. Something was plainly wrong with our hypotheses.

        That was the medical consensus until 2020.

    • EvilSheldon

      Yes indeed, I frequently fail to grasp concepts that are mind-numbingly stupid.

      Someone can constrict my freedom by infecting me with the ‘Rona, so everybody else has to wear a mask.

      Someone can constrict my freedom by shooting me in the face, so everybody needs to turn in those guns!

      Someone can constrict my freedom by running over my foot with their car, so mandatory self-driving cars from now on.

      It never ends. You’ve built a moral standard that requires that everyone fuck with everyone over everything, no matter how trivial. A society of snitches and bitches.

      If I come down with the ‘Rona, my response will be, “Oh well. FML.” It’s a much healthier way to live.

  33. Mojeaux

    So this week I’ve had a bit (a lot) of trouble uploading ebook and print book files to Amazon on THREE clients’ behalf. Security something something 2-step verification something something hey can you call me when you get your s00per sekrit passcode? It’s required much hand-holding and conference-like calls and explanations, but my clients are all old and don’t want to mess with it. Well, by the time we all mess with 2- and 3-factor verification I might as well have just walked them through the process over the phone. Oy. My head hurts.

    Since I have had such troubles, and since my NEXT client who wants me to do this is in India with very little overlap time-wise to do this, I decided fuck that and instead wrote out some instructions. Well, what I thought was going to be a quick email turned into an 18-page booklet with a table of contents.

    Question is, do I want to enter the crowded market of how-tos and sell this thing (after some expansion)?

    Oy, my head hurts.

    • The Other Kevin

      Why not? You already made the biggest investment, which was your time writing it.

    • kinnath

      yes

    • Hyperion

      You many as well get used to the dual authentication. It’s not going anywhere until you give them your DNA.

      If I had a dollar for every time I have to login to something, I’d be able to retire just on this year’s income.

      • Mojeaux

        You many as well get used to the dual authentication.

        And that is why I am, as of yesterday, no longer offering that service.

      • Cancelled

        Don’t refuse to provide the service. Instead put up your rates for it to a point where you would be happy to do it. If no one takes you up on it you end up in the same place as refusing left you, but if a few say yes $$$$$

      • The Hyperbole

        Only offer the service to straight white Christians, then when some gay black atheist comes after you, you can rake in that sweet sweet right wing counter outrage/boycott money.

      • Cancelled

        I was being entirely serious. If there is a service your customers want that is such a hassle you don’t want to do it anymore, the best solution is to set a price high enough that you are happy when someone asks for it. Hassles that earn you an exciting pay day are not really hassles.

      • The Hyperbole

        I get that, I was serious as well there’s good money in being an outrage/counter outrage victim.

      • Cancelled

        There is good money being the lucky one , or a good conman, that becomes the cause celebre. I suspect that for every person with a six figure Gofundme there are dozens who come out of Chapter 7 as a pariah and end up working as convenience store clerks and the like.

      • Nephilium

        I’m up to five different 2FA applications on my cell phone.

    • Brett L

      The only thing better than saving time on a paying job is turning those assets into revenue generators.

  34. Semi-Spartan Dad

    Did anyone post this yet? Odds it’ll ever appear on CNN or MSNBC?
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-african-american-community-the-latino-diverse

    During an interview that aired at the convention of the National Association of Black Journalists and National Association of Hispanic Journalists, NPR’s Lulu Garcia-Navarro pressed the presumptive Democratic nominee if he would “re-engage” with Cuba as president, something she suggested would have an impact on Cuban-American voters in Florida.

    “Yes, yes,” Biden responded. “And by the way, what you all know, but most people don’t know, unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things.”

    • Gustave Lytton

      Wow. Shitting all over the bed. That’s be covered up.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        It’s far too late for that, this one is viral, the Black folk are understandably pissed, Biden is a Piece of Racist Shit

      • Gustave Lytton

        He also crapped all over the Cubans.

      • Mostly Peaceful JaimeRoberto

        He’ll really be crapping on them if he chooses Karen Bass as his running mate.

      • Suthenboy

        No kidding. Bass would mean throwing away Florida.

        *crosses fingers* Do it do it do it!

      • Gadfly

        News today was that Bass has fallen out of favor (for obvious reasons) and that the leading candidates are Harris and Rice (for non-obvious reasons – they are also bad choices).

      • Mostly Peaceful JaimeRoberto

        I don’t see how Harris helps Biden. Too many Dems see her as a cop, and those that have reservations about the Dems’ leftward lurch won’t be reassured by her. Susan Rice is awful, but she’s unknown to most people. She’s like the Obama blank slate. So I’me guessing it will be Rice. But then I was wrong about everything in 2016, which means it will be Harris. Or Bass. Oh hell, I don’t know.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Urban blacks, rural blacks; liberal blacks, conservative blacks; religious blacks, secular blacks; rich blacks, poor blacks…all the same. He should pay a political price for this but he won’t.

    • The Other Kevin

      Just like “defund the police”, get ready for a chorus of “that’s not what he meant!”

    • Suthenboy

      *casts chicken bones, stares intently*

      The bones say ‘Trump’.

    • R C Dean

      Did anyone post this yet?

      *clears throat, raises index finger*

      • Ted S.

        Wrong finger.

    • Suthenboy

      “….her biography, in which she says she has pursued God since she was 6 months old, when she says she was “slipping away into a crib death” before a higher power visited her “in a hospital tent” and saved her life.”

      Well ok then.

      *slowly backs out of room*

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Still better than Biden or any of his prospective running mates.

      • kinnath

        She still makes more sense that creepy joe.

      • Drake

        Did she ever catch Him?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      She looks stable.

  35. R C Dean

    I’m not really seeing how one can call for dissolution of a lobbying organization solely because the board wrote itself sweet-heart deals

    The NRA is a nonprofit. Nonprofits are typically under the jurisdiction of the state where they are incorporated, and specifically the Attorney General. Sale of a nonprofit to a forprofit generally requires AG approval, etc. There is wide variation on what standards and methods the AG has in overseeing nonprofits, most of which go through their entire existence without anyone from the AG’s office darkening their door. A nonprofit that is not a subsidiary of another corporation doesn’t have any owners, so even the minimal check that stockholders can put on a board are not present. The AG more or less fills that role, since a nonprofit is supposed to be chartered by the state to advance some kind of public purpose.

    So the AG has a string on nonprofits incorporated in xis state. I’m guessing that the NRA is a NY corporation, and that the NY AG has some scope to seek dissolution of a NY nonprofit if it violates certain standards (which are likely pretty nebulous). A board that has engaged in self-dealing could well be justification for the NY AG to dissolve a NY nonprofit.

    Which immediately recreates itself, warts and all, in another state.

    • Q Continuum

      I don’t really know why they wanna open this Pandora’s Box. If they set some kind of legal precedent here, right-wing legal organizations could flood all these Lefty 501(c)s with lawsuits until the cows come home.

      • R C Dean

        Has to be the AG in the state where it is incorporated.

        Not just any rando can dissolve a nonprofit.

    • thepasswordispassword

      Is that recreation allowed to handle the liability insurance and training certification that the NRA handles for shooting ranges and firearms training (that they typically require for concealed carry permits or purchase permits)? Because that seems to be the biggest potential problem. If all of that gets frozen out, NY will have killed off a lot of shooting ranges for lack of insurance and stopped a lot of people across the country from proving to their local bureaucracies that they should be allowed to exercise their rights.

      • R C Dean

        That’s the big question. I think the NRA is more or less mentioned by name as the authorized certifier for training, etc.

        The insurance shouldn’t be an issue; I believe the NRA provides a service there that could easily be replicated by NRA2. Well, a shitload of paperwork, but other than that . . . . I assume the NRA buys a big umbrella policy, probably “self-insures” a big chunk of the deductible, and provides the insurance to the ranges via sub-policies. I’d be shocked if that wasn’t in a subsidiary, which comes along in the corporate reorg, so they likely wouldn’t even need to get a new license; just go through the change of ownership drill. See, above, re paperwork.

    • Suthenboy

      “Four Daphne High School Cheerleaders posed with a confederate flag on a t-shirt on July 4th, 2020. ”

      *counts cheerleaders*

      That is a twit from BLM? It explains much.

      • The Hyperbole

        Not every girl in the photo is necessarily a chearleader.

      • Suthenboy

        You just can’t help yourself, can you?

        *chuckles*

      • The Hyperbole

        The systemic racism that caused you to assume that BLM members can’t count instead of wondering which four of the six girls are cheerleaders is nothing to chuckle at.

      • Cancelled

        Be fair, having contempt for BLM members is not the same as contempt for Black people.

    • Mostly Peaceful JaimeRoberto

      It’s nice to see that there are still some schools out there that choose their cheerleaders based on their looks.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        Another tick to the “move to Alabama” column

      • R C Dean

        Dayum.

        I bet redneck boys heart them, too.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Surviving members of Lynard Skynard (are there any?) hardest hit. Also fuck off, it’s just a silly pic with a silly shirt.

    • Gustave Lytton

      If any are over 18, I would like to examine more photos of these cheerleaders for further possible racist leanings.

    • Rhywun

      Gas chamber. It’s obviously too late for reëducation.

      • Nephilium

        You going to send the suede denim secret police?

      • Gustave Lytton

        But not for a late late term abortion.

    • Q Continuum

      Chairman Garcetti of the DPRLA.

    • Suthenboy

      Remember those people who said just a few years ago “It can’t happen here…” ?

      • Q Continuum

        The US is not magic dirt.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        That’s nuts…

      • Grosspatzer

        Location, location, location… of course, West Side Story was set in the Heights, so not sure how the long history of gang warfare plays into that.

      • Suthenboy

        A friend lives in Houston. His wife wanted to buy a lot downtown that was a bit under 1/4 acre. The list price was 2.5 million.

        1. You couldn’t make me move to Houston at gun point
        2. For that price I can buy a thousand acres in La, build a house with complete privacy, not have to fool with anyone and pay property taxes for decades.
        3. Fuck. No.

        The vast majority of misery in the world is self-inflicted.

    • Drake

      Like with a check?

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Absolutely, what on earth else could I mean?

    • Agent Cooper

      It will never be over.

    • Plinker762

      Cyanide would also work

    • mrfamous

      Might as well dredge up eugenics again while we’re at it.

      • Suthenboy

        Dredge it up? It never left.

        Isn’t there a new version of ‘Brave New World’ out or coming out soon? I think I saw it advertised earlier today.

      • Nephilium

        Yep, on Peacock (NBC’s new streaming service). I’ve not seen many good reviews/write-ups about it.

      • Suthenboy

        I remember when The Hildebeast plugged Orwell’s 1984 as a pamphlet on why people should love and obey government.

        Did that despicable creature really win the popular vote? I have my doubts….but…”The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits”. Genius’ are outliers.

      • Hyperion

        “Did that despicable creature really win the popular illegal vote?”

        yes

      • Gadfly

        Yes, but it’s on one of those streaming sites that nobody is going to watch (I want to say NBC, which brilliantly wen with the name “peacock” for their streaming site).

      • Gadfly

        I lose the “refresh before you post” game again.

      • Hyperion

        “Dredge it up? It never left.”

        They’ve just doubled down on it instead.

      • Suthenboy

        I made a comment here not long ago where I said “Every Planned Parenthood clinic is on the same street for a reason”
        Someone, I dont remember who, got it immediately. A day or so later I repeated that in person to a friend of a friend.
        I wish I had video of that interaction. Their face turned beet red, they started grinding their teeth and clenching their fists.
        What a racist POS. I was hoping soooooo much….but they didnt. They somehow managed to contain themselves. I am guessing they will never speak to me again…and that will be too soon.

      • Suthenboy

        Re-reading my comment I see I was not clear.
        They didnt become angry because of what PP is up to, they became angry because I had the gall to point out what PP is up to.
        I guess I wasn’t supposed to say that.

      • Suthenboy

        Of course they are.
        That’s what the left always does, disown their own past and try to peddle their horseshit as something new.

      • Hyperion

        Recycled Marxism is the newest thing there is!

      • Hyperion

        “Isn’t there a new version of ‘Brave New World’ out or coming out soon?”

        This time the author won’t need any imagination, he can just watch the news and write it down.

    • Grosspatzer

      *remembers my uncle ranting about fluoridation in the 1950’s*

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      WTF

      Wasn’t this a Firefly plot line?

      • mexican sharpshooter

        Serenity, technically.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      They’re trying to make the frogs gay but docile.

    • SDF-7

      It was the Pax…

      Is there no cautionary tale these idiots don’t take as an instruction manual?

      • mexican sharpshooter

        I was promised zombies ten years ago, I settle on Reavers.

      • Suthenboy

        Good luck with that. I am still waiting for my flying car I was promised 40 years ago.

        Oh, and my self-contained 500 year fusion generator for my house. I am still waiting for that too.

      • robc

        Flying cars: i dont trust people in 2D. No way in 3D. Autonomous vehicles are a prereq for flying cars.

      • mexican sharpshooter

        Flying car: Its called a helicopter.

      • Suthenboy

        Apologies, I left out the word ‘affordable’.

      • Ted S.

        +1 Kobe Bryant

      • Suthenboy

        No.

    • B.P.

      This author has written pretty much the same article every other day for four months. I visited (a King Soopers/Thornton/a Denver park/etc.) and some people weren’t wearing masks! It’s a shame he’s turned into Colorado’s Karen-in-Chief, because he did some decent investigative reporting at one time.

      • Suthenboy

        Oh. I just glanced over it. I thought he was pointing out that the whole mask mandate madness is theater. I didn’t realize he was serious.

      • B.P.

        He’s really piled on with the “look at these mask-not-wearing, suicidally idiotic deplorables” angle.

  36. The Late P Brooks

    That’s why, in many places today, the true face of freedom wears a mask.

    “Everybody on the floor. This is a stickup.”

    • Suthenboy

      I have to wonder if the people saying that really understand what they are saying. That would require a level of mendacity that is unimaginable for me.

  37. grrizzly

    Nurses in Canada fought for the right NOT to wear masks, and an arbitrator heard testimony and sided with them, concluding masks were useless and the requirement unreasonable. Happened in 2015.

    Experts testified that it was illogical to force healthy nurses to wear masks, and Hayes [the arbitrator] concluded the masks were not protecting patients or nurses from the flu.

    • grrizzly

      In 2018.
      ONA Wins Second Decision on “Unreasonable and Illogical” Vaccinate or Mask Influenza Policies

      The Ontario Nurses’ Association (ONA) has won a second decision on the controversial vaccinate or mask (VOM) policy, striking down the policy in effect at St. Michael’s Hospital and several other hospitals that form the Toronto Academic Health Science Network (TAHSN). These policies force nurses and other health-care workers to wear an unfitted surgical mask for the entirety of their shift if they choose not to receive the influenza vaccine.

      After reviewing extensive expert evidence submitted by both ONA and St. Michael’s Hospital, which was the lead case for the TAHSN group, Arbitrator William Kaplan, in his September 6 decision, found that St. Michael’s VOM policy is “illogical and makes no sense” and “is the exact opposite of being reasonable.” In reaching this conclusion, Arbitrator Kaplan rejected the hospital’s evidence. A copy of the full decision is available here.

      • grrizzly

        The Ontario Nurses’ Association (ONA) has won a second decision on the controversial vaccinate or mask (VOM) policy, striking down the policy in effect at St. Michael’s Hospital and several other hospitals that form the Toronto Academic Health Science Network (TAHSN). These policies force nurses and other health-care workers to wear an unfitted surgical mask for the entirety of their shift if they choose not to receive the influenza vaccine.

        After reviewing extensive expert evidence submitted by both ONA and St. Michael’s Hospital, which was the lead case for the TAHSN group, Arbitrator William Kaplan, in his September 6 decision, found that St. Michael’s VOM policy is “illogical and makes no sense” and “is the exact opposite of being reasonable.” In reaching this conclusion, Arbitrator Kaplan rejected the hospital’s evidence. A copy of the full decision is available here.

      • grrizzly

        ONA’s well-regarded expert witnesses, including Toronto infection control expert Dr. Michael Gardam, Quebec epidemiologist Dr. Gaston De Serres, and Dr. Lisa Brosseau, an American expert on masks, testified that there was insufficient evidence to support the St. Michael’s policy and no evidence that forcing healthy nurses to wear masks during the influenza season did anything to prevent transmission of influenza in hospitals. They further testified that nurses who have no symptoms are unlikely to be a real source of transmission and that it was not logical to force healthy unvaccinated nurses to mask. Arbitrator Kaplan accepted this expert evidence. In contrast, he noted the only fair words to describe the hospital’s evidence in support of masking are “insufficient, inadequate and completely unpersuasive.”

      • mrfamous

        Dr. Brosseau was one of the experts early on who said that the masks were not a good idea and wrote this article:

        https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

        I hadn’t looked at it for a while, and _now_ it’s covered in editor’s notes which say that there was a massive movement to force CIDRAP to remove the article. They didn’t remove the article, but they have now wrote that they do support the public wearing masks when mandated ‘because reasons’ I guess. But none of what originally was written has been changed or reversed.

        It’s so fucking Orwellian the desire to stamp out all contrary information. Depressing as hell.

    • Suthenboy

      common viruses range in size from 0.02 microns to about 1 micron. There are bigger ones but they are unusual.
      The corona viruses are on the small end of the scale. They blow right thought the masks like the mask isn’t there. The most effective masks only work for about 30 minutes and then you should change them.
      The mask madness is all theater, or as I hear one doc say “They are psychological protection”.

      It isn’t about public health. It is about OBEY.

    • Hyperion

      “not protecting patients or nurses from the flu.”

      But this is not the flu, it has magical powers.

  38. R C Dean

    I don’t know what our Chief Nursing Officer (who bears a passing resemblance to Kirsten Dunst) had on her schedule today, but whatever it was apparently called for heels and a leopard-print dress. Just saw her with her white coat on over it, and it somehow made it even hotter.

    Going to the office definitely has some upsides.

    • DEG

      Did you know that according to Kirsten Dunst’s boobpedia page, her boobs have gotten bigger since she got pregnant?

    • mexican sharpshooter

      Pics or it didn’t happen.

    • Suthenboy

      “…Chief Nursing Officer (who bears a passing resemblance to Kirsten Dunst)…”

      Oh? Do tell…really…go on. Got pics, cuz a story like this really needs pics…”

    • Hyperion

      Unless she’s going to pull me into a closet somewhere, strip nekked and try to rape me, that’s not enough of a perk. The office sucks.

  39. blighted_non_millenial

    Rogan was great today with Josh Dubin (lawyer) and Jason Flom (music mogul who signed Skid Row and STP and others) both with the Innocence Project, but holy shit, the cognitive dissonance and rationalization of voting for a Biden/Harris ticket over Orange Man Bad (or just not voting). How many innocent people has Drumpf kept exculpatory evidence hidden from? This is your life’s work and you would consider voting for her?

    • B.P.

      I heard a Rogan clip from the other day where he was talking about people moving out of California, citing he and some of his friends/associates as evidence. He said he’s moving to Texas, as the new taxes in Cali are insane. Dude, you’re a Bernie supporter.

      • Hyperion

        “Dude, you’re a Bernie supporter.”

        Bernie’s taxes will be more fair, because it will be on everyone on every state. Equal taxation = equality!

  40. The Late P Brooks

    Boo fucking hoo

    White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday that he and his family have required continued security in the face of harassment and death threats from people angry over his guidance on the coronavirus pandemic.

    “The unseemingly things that crises bring out in the world, it brings out the best of people and the worst of people, and getting death threats to my family and harassing my daughters to the point where I have to get security — it’s amazing,” Fauci said in an interview with CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta on Harvard’s School of Public Health website that was streamed on Facebook live.

    Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been assigned a beefed-up security team since at least early April after he and his family received serious threats over his work to mitigate the spread of the virus.

    “I wouldn’t have imagined in my wildest dreams that people who object to things that are pure public health principles are so set against it and don’t like what you and I say, namely in the world of science, that they actually threaten you,” Fauci said.

    ——-

    Public safety guidelines like wearing face coverings, social distancing and avoiding large crowds have become a point of contention in the U.S. and has hindered efforts to slow the spread of infections.

    “There is a degree of anti-science feeling in this country,” Fauci said.

    “I think it’s not just related to science, it’s almost related to authority and a mistrust in authority that spills over because in some respects, scientists because they’re trying to present data may be looked at … as being an authoritative figure,” he said.

    “I was put on this Earth to boss people around. Why won’t they just do what I tell them. I’m smart, and they’re deplorable.”

    Fuck

    off,

    slaver.

    • Suthenboy

      He didnt cite any studies that showed masks are effective, did he?

      Huh. That’s odd.

      • Suthenboy

        You know…being a science guy and all.

      • Hyperion

        He’s the most respected and beloved expert, he’s America’s expert!

        All Americans… well, CNN says so!

    • Hyperion

      Death threats? Amazing, I don’t know if I believe that.

      And once again, I can also only be amazed and disturbed at how Trump always surrounds himself with the worst people imaginable who are not actual lefties, but just statists, neocons, wishy washy rinos, etc.

      Just stop it already, Donnie!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I believe it. People are crazy.

      • The Hyperbole

        Death threats? Amazing, I don’t know if I believe that.

        I’m sure he’s gotten death threats. Just look at what your fellow glibs say about/wish upon him. And as unhinged as you assholes are, you* are not even close to the unhingiest of the unhinged out there. Sure he’s gotten death threats but so has every person in the public eye, people be trippin’

        *not you you but the royal you ,the editorial you.

      • Gustave Lytton

        you* are not even close to the unhingiest of the unhinged out there

        Take those slanderous words back, good sir!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        You talking to me?

      • Suthenboy

        What we wish on him? Who is we? I haven’t been around for a few days.
        Fired is the worst thing I wish on him. Hell, I dont even wish harm on the reanimated corpse of Ginsburg and she is a lot more despicable than Fauci.

      • The Hyperbole

        Isn’t he a commie shit weasel? I believe you have expressed the desire to wood chipper or helicopter ride commie shit weasels.

      • Cancelled

        I have expressed the seriousdesire to give half off helicopter rides to active communist revolutionaries, and hyperbolically to all communists. Fauci doesn’t qualify though; he is just another asshole bureaucrat and deserves nothing more than scorn.

      • Ted S.

        Who is we?

        The voices inside Hyperbole’s head?

      • The Hyperbole

        Nah, the voice’s inside my head only say “Beer, beer, beer, beer…”

      • Suthenboy

        I buy the death threats. Hell, you can get those today for combing your hair on one side instead of the other.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      They create the anti-science movement by not consistently being honest.

      Much like the climate change “science,” they’ve mixed good data with bad and intermittently lied or fudged. Once people figure out that’s happened, they don’t trust them anymore.

      It’s not about the science, it’s about those who hide behind the term.

    • Ted S.

      He should talk to Tucker Carlson.

      • Suthenboy

        No shit. I understand that the NYT is publishing his address but no harm intended *wink wink, nudge nudge*

    • R C Dean

      “There is a degree of anti-science feeling in this country,” Fauci said.

      I think he’s confusing anti-elite/expert feeling with anti-science feeling.

      Because Our Masters have acquitted themselves so well during the current unpleasantness.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Will Husted be required to quarantine since he was with the governor on Tuesday?

      Husted’s staff hasn’t said what his plans will be. But DeWine said because Husted tested negative, he continued with his day as planned, which included greeting President Donald Trump in Cleveland.

      Six months of this and Top.Men. still can’t apply their own rules and guidelines to themselves. Or understand the limitations of testing (hint: it’s just a snapshot at a specific point, it has zero predictive power if you test negative).

      DeWine said he’s mostly kept to himself, working mostly from home.

      And mostly didn’t get infected.

      he’s stumped how he could have been exposed to the coronavirus

      It’s a fucking mystery. No, not really. It came out of an infected person’s respiratory track. It’s someone who was in whatever space you were in, DeWine. Either while you were there or before. My guess is it’s one of his staff. A bubble is meaningless if everyone else isn’t inside of it. Did these fucksticks never watch Get Smart?

  41. Not an Economist

    The Democrats worried about Trump not conceding? They pretty much have decided they aren’t going to.

    This is legitimately scary.

    If the Republicans and Trump said something like this it would be front page news every night between now and the election. But it passes with very little notice because reasons.

    • Suthenboy

      That is not a revelation. They have been chomping at the bit for civil war for years. I am not sure how they think it will turn out but declaring war on the people that build your roads, supply your water and electricity and grow your food seems like a bad idea to me, but what do I know.

    • R C Dean

      I see Fenix ammo has a run of 5.56 for sale.

  42. grrizzly

    Meanwhile, in Melbourne

    Footage has emerged of a Melbourne mother being pinned to the ground by three police officers after she allegedly broke lockdown restrictions.

    The woman’s daughter filmed during the incident at Hoppers Crossing in Melbourne’s southwest on Saturday — when Melbourne was still in stage three coronavirus restrictions.

    The footage shows the woman screaming as the officers hold her face down on the footpath and handcuff her arms behind her back. Her daughter can be heard shouting “she’s in pain”.

    • Ted S.

      Can’t wait so see how the people opposed to police brutality respond to this.

      • Ted S.

        After I posted that, I read the comments, which are unsurprising:

        OBEY OR DIE.

      • Suthenboy

        What people are those?

      • Ted S.

        OK, the people ostensibly protesting the death of George Floyd.

      • Sean

        *loots sneaker store*

      • Ted S.

        This guy gets it.

    • Gustave Lytton

      What do those quarantine restrictions say about close physical contact again? Right, rules don’t apply to the Queen’s Men.

      • Sean

        It’s all so ridiculous.

    • Suthenboy

      She doesn’t have a husband or a father or a brother?

      Someone should be looking to kick the shit out of those cops.

    • R C Dean

      Both females were issued with a $1,652 fine each for breaching the chief health officer’s directions and were released pending enquiries on further charges.”

      Effing. Christ.

      • R C Dean

        Oh, and that’s about a $1200 fine in Real Money.

      • Cancelled

        American dollars real money? bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      • Sean

        For a couple more weeks.

        *buys gold per tv commercial*

      • Cancelled

        Mandatory gold confiscation at $20.67/ oz. has a precedent.

      • R C Dean

        Fair point.

        Uhh, about 3/4 oz. of Real Money.

  43. The Late P Brooks

    “There is a degree of anti-science feeling in this country,” Fauci said.

    And the Messiah, on His cross, wept for the misguided unbelievers.

  44. The Late P Brooks

    Can’t wait so see how the people opposed to police brutality respond to this.

    She was begging for it.

  45. The Late P Brooks

    I’m convinced

    A 56-year-old man with the coronavirus attending a single church service in Ohio led to the infection’s spread to at least 91 other people across five counties.

    Gov. Mike DeWine posted a graphic to his Facebook page Wednesday detailing how the virus spread over a three-week period from the date of the church service on June 14 to July 4.

    “It spread like wildfire,” the governor said at a news conference Tuesday where the graphic was displayed. “Very, very scary.”

    DeWine noted on his Facebook page, “All it takes is one person to cause tremendous #COVID19 spread.”

    None of those people could have been exposed some other way?

    That guys is a mass murderer, or something.

    • R C Dean

      If a single infected person can infect 91 people over 5 counties, the ‘Vid is completely impossible to control.

      So, either

      (a) he didn’t infect them or

      (b) its so infectious, precautions are pointless.

      • Rhywun

        (c) lock each person in a room and weld them in, duh

    • Gustave Lytton

      Nope, it’s only by him. Similar to how nursing home deaths are due to alleged known positive patients being accepted and apparently zero infection controls being applied, not staff who live and interact with the general public in areas with high rates of community spread.

  46. Rhywun

    I didn’t get any bites earlier so here goes again 🙂

    Anyone have Verizon Fios? And like it?

    It’s available at my address now – I can cut the cord, maybe finally.

    • Rhywun

      Oh fudge. Wrong thread.