Warp Speed Mr. Sulu

by | Aug 29, 2020 | Beer, Food & Drink, Military, National Security | 279 comments

It is beginning to Look like if anything will come about this Epoch of Doooooooooooooom Trump and remain in place permanently, its going to be this whole Space Force…thing.

Unfortunately, there are those insisting we accomplish this based on a show best described as Communists in Space, who used Naval rank structures for some reason, so I have to do the honorable thing and defend the Air Force.

This is my review of La Cumbre Zuzax Ale:

I should preface this by explaining I am indifferent to Star Trek, and am not going to be swayed by any argument to the supposed superiority of its utterly fictional universe.  Although, I do like Shatner because he’s a crackpot.

That said, Shatner’s argument is that throughout the history of science fiction the person in command of a space ship holds the rank of Captain.  Captain in the Naval sense is O-6 and is equivalent to Colonel in the other three services, both with identical rank insignia of an iron eagle.  All other services Captain is still a rank, but is a junior officer at O-3.  It is for this reason, Shatner argues, a Naval rank structure is more appropriate for the new Space Force.  This is a pretty good argument because quite frankly, all of these Captains were in charge of a ship. I’ll touch on this in a bit.

He was asked what the hell he is doing with a gun in space. I would ask why he has an HK P7 in space? That gun is a classic!

He also further reinforces his reasoning by going through a few characters with Army/Air Force ranks in science fiction that did not turn out particularly well. Unfortunately, this argument isn’t very strong because one of them is Col. Klink from Hogan’s Heroes, who wasn’t even a pilot, and from a comedy.  He gives another example of Col. Steve Austin—as in the $6 Million Man, which makes him far more awesome for this discussion.  He conveniently forgets Col. Harris (Thunderbirds are Go + Team America as a parody) and the lovable Col. Sandurz (Spaceballs). Now you might tell me those are silly examples.  Perhaps Col. Jack O’Neil (Stargate) and Col. Willie Sharpe (Armageddon) are better examples of Air Force Colonels succeeding in space.

None of this really matters, however.  The reality is the Space Force is growing out of the Air Force because it already had a Space Command to grow out of.  I know, because I was stationed at a space wing.  It is in the same way the Air Force uses Army ranks because it grew out of the existing Army Air Corps.  The other part of this, is there are currently no space ships in this Space Force and any spacecraft affiliated with it will be Earth based with limited range.  The biggest difference between the Air Force and Navy is the modern Navy is in many ways a floating Air Force, and as such is mobile.  The Air Force operates from permanent bases or forward air bases.  For the foreseeable future, Space Force will be operating out of permanent bases, as such the Air Force officer ranks are appropriate.  Once there are space ships exploring or patrolling space, then we can talk about naval ranks.

Enlisted ranks are another story and as far as I am aware we should not be following along the example of Star Trek because none of those guys ever survive.

 

As for this beer, it is a classic Kölsch.  I assumed it was one of those “better than normal” yellow ales like Firestone Walker 805 but its definitely a Kölsch.  It caught me off guard and I used the chalice by mistake.  Its best served in a flute, pilsner glass, or something with the mouth wider than the base for this.  It is done well, and I have no idea what a Zuzax is. La Cumbre Zuzax Ale:  3.2/5

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279 Comments

  1. juris imprudent

    Air Force has more trucks than Army, Army has more ships than Navy, Navy has more aircraft than Air Force. Go figure.

    So why are we even calling it Space Force if it is a bunch of uniformed people sitting their asses on the ground?

    • hayeksplosives

      Because they are going to outsource the ship building to Elon Musk, and while they’re waiting for delivery, they sit around doing Community Outreach and stealing logos.

    • Gustave Lytton

      The only trucks the Army has are on top of flagpoles.

      /board question

    • The Bearded Hobbit

      When I was stationed at Lajes AB in 1975 the Air Force ran the base, the Army ran the docks, and the Navy had the flying mission (P-3 Orions).

      • Francisco d'Anconia

        Been there. Cool little island when the wind ain’t blowing.

      • Fourscore

        But the rest of Portugal is nice(r)

      • TARDIS

        Getting there can be fun.

  2. PieInTheSky

    this day feels like a Sunday. I was expecting the horoscope

  3. The Late P Brooks

    I know, because I was stationed at a space wing.

    Out there on the steppes of El Paso County?

    • Ted S.

      He fell in love with a Mexican girl?

      • Roland of Gilead

        He went the wrong way into Juarez with Juanita on his lap?

  4. hayeksplosives

    What, no love for Captain John Sheridan, formerly of Earth Alliance?

    • Rebel Scum

      I prefer to operate against someone like McClellan. Make a decision, bro.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      I don’t know who this person is.

      • Nephilium

        Babylon 5. One of the greatest sci-fi shows ever.

      • Rhywun

        With sports useless now, I hope the box set that arrives Tuesday will help fill the void.

      • hayeksplosives

        Time to dust off the BlueRays again. No commercials, no editing.

        Eerily prescient show including corrupt government and eventually the Tree of Liberty needing a little watering with the blood of tyrants.

      • Rhywun

        ? I didn’t see a Blu-ray option when I ordered mine a few days ago. For the box set, anyway.

      • hayeksplosives

        I stand corrected; mine is DVD also.

        Unfortunately high number of B5 cast members have left us too early.

      • Rhywun

        OK whew. I’m new to Blu-rays so I’d hate to order DVD’s by mistake.

  5. Mojeaux

    A few years ago I took XX to a women-in-STEM career day. One of the girls was in law school specializing in space law. Dafuq? “What belongs to whom.” Well then.

      • PieInTheSky

        back in the day I saw a reply to that one along the lines young girls don’t get Lego and are conditioned not to want stem.

      • Mojeaux

        Math R hard.

      • Tundra

        I love that one!

        Interestingly, my daughters class of incoming freshmen appears to have a higher than normal chick-to-dude ratio. Lots and lots of aspiring XX engineers!

      • Mojeaux

        Excellent! I wish I could’ve cut it in a STEM field (knew I couldn’t). I thought I could cut it in a finance field (I probably could’ve if I’d wanted to badly enough), but I just didn’t. I went into English instead, where writing is my true love anyway.

      • Tundra

        We’ll see how they do. I guess the washout rate is pretty healthy after the first year at this college.

        My son thinks the additional women are a VERY positive development! 😉

      • Mojeaux

        Nerds.

        /Hype

      • Viking1865

        “We’ll see how they do. I guess the washout rate is pretty healthy after the first year at this college.”

        Yeah that’s kind of the hard part. Lotta people wash out of STEM while in school, and more XX wash out than XY. This is blamed on the sexism of the XYs, because its a fundamental premise that XX and XY are identical in every respect mentally.

      • DEG

        Heh. Very true.

  6. Gender Traitor

    I do like Shatner because he’s a crackpot.

    I’ve enjoyed some of The Shat’s recent ventures like The UnXplained where’s he’s free to ham it up for grins. Likewise Patrick Stewart’s foray into American Dad. How nice to reach a point in your career where you don’t have to give a shit!

    • Nephilium

      I’m fairly certain the American Dad writers just try to find the most outlandish things for Patrick Stewart to say. Somewhat related, you can see Patrick Stewart play a white supremacist in a nice little thriller called Green Room.

  7. juris imprudent

    McConnell has apparently taken some lessons from Trump, on how to troll.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-Ky.) reelection campaign confirmed that it has hired Nicholas Sandmann, the Kentucky teenager who garnered national attention for his viral encounter with a Native American elder in a crowd last year at the Lincoln Memorial.

  8. Rebel Scum

    He was asked what the hell he is doing with a gun in space.

    To convince the crazy guy to “Get off. The thermonuclear. Weapon.”, obvs.

  9. Crusty Juggler

    One Author’s Argument ‘In Defense Of Looting’

    But there’s also another factor, which is anti-Blackness and contempt for poor people who want to live a better life, which looting immediately provides. One thing about looting is it freaks people out. But in terms of potential crimes that people can commit against the state, it’s basically nonviolent. You’re mass shoplifting. Most stores are insured; it’s just hurting insurance companies on some level. It’s just money. It’s just property. It’s not actually hurting any people.

    There you have it.

    • Crusty Juggler

      hen it comes to small business, family owned business or locally owned business, they are no more likely to provide worker protections. They are no more likely to have to provide good stuff for the community than big businesses. It’s actually a Republican myth that has, over the last 20 years, really crawled into even leftist discourse: that the small business owner must be respected, that the small business owner creates jobs and is part of the community. But that’s actually a right-wing myth.

      A business being attacked in the community is ultimately about attacking like modes of oppression that exist in the community. It is true and possible that there are instances historically when businesses have refused to reopen or to come back. But that is a part of the inequity of the society, that people live in places where there is only one place where they can get access to something [like food or medicine]. That question assumes well, what if you’re in a food desert? But the food desert is already an incredibly unjust situation. There’s this real tendency to try and blame people for fighting back, for revealing the inequity of the injustice that’s already been formed by the time that they’re fighting.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        On a practical and not moral level, looting causes businesses to hit the road and locals can’t buy goods or get jobs in the area which leads to a hollowing out and a miserable life for the people who have to stay around for whatever reason. Why oh why do people who know better listen to these morons?

        Oh, and fuck NPR.

      • Mojeaux

        locals can’t buy goods

        +1 food desert

      • Brochettaward

        I recall in 2016 when Baltimore had its rioting and they burned down that CVS. The mayor was on TV practically in tears. It was so hard, she said, to get that CVS to set up shop in that part of town to begin with.

        You know, but that’s just because our society is so unjust.

      • Count Potato

        “that the small business owner creates jobs and is part of the community. But that’s actually a right-wing myth.”

        No, small business owners literally create jobs.

    • Rebel Scum

      Most stores are insured

      So is my car. But if you swing a bat at it you might die of lead poisoning.

      • Viking1865

        The most fucking paranoid, insane, wide eyed Burt Gummer motherfucker on every gun forum on the Internet is 100% vindicated this year.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        “Burt Gummer”
        Heh, I think I’ll rewatch Tremors tonight. Great movie…

      • Francisco d'Anconia

        UZI 4U

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Dammit Gustave…well she’ll always be that plucky 23 year old grad student out there in the desert to me.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Me too.

        And the girl on the pogo stick would grow up to be a self proclaimed Unix expert (while clicking through a GUI).

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The years have not been kind

      • Fourscore

        Poor lady is 59

        Holds up sign/Years Matter

      • Nephilium

        Except most stores insurance doesn’t cover fucking looting!

    • PieInTheSky

      poor people who want to live a better life, which looting immediately provides. – so if raping 16 year olds provides a better life for you you should do it? –

      It’s just money. It’s just property. It’s not actually hurting any people. – well for the previously mentioned poor people, its just money its just property don’t loot it

      • Viking1865

        “so if raping 16 year olds provides a better life for you you should do it? ”

        Only if its a gang rape, because then its democracy in action.

    • Grumbletarian

      When I use the word looting, I mean the mass expropriation of property, mass shoplifting during a moment of upheaval or riot. That’s the thing I’m defending. I’m not defending any situation in which property is stolen by force. It’s not a home invasion, either. It’s about a certain kind of action that’s taken during protests and riots.

      News flash: If you break a window or door to get into the store, you’re using force. Also, conveniently, property at home is special property. Property in a store is no big deal.

    • EvilSheldon

      Apparently the way you get your prog social credit is by writing articles demonstrating what an enormous asshole you are.

      • Fourscore

        “demonstrating what an enormous asshole you are”

        “Stupid” goes in that sentence somewhere

    • mexican sharpshooter

      That’s the joke.

    • PieInTheSky

      don’t click that link it’s malware

      • Grumbletarian

        Really? I’m using Brave and it’s fine. If its bad then yeah don’t click it.

      • PieInTheSky

        I have no idea clicked looked at the site closed

  10. Count Potato

    “He conveniently forgets Col. Harris (Thunderbirds are Go + Team America as a parody) and the lovable Col. Sandurz (Spaceballs). Now you might tell me those are silly examples. Perhaps Col. Jack O’Neil (Stargate) and Col. Willie Sharpe (Armageddon) are better examples of Air Force Colonels succeeding in space.”

    Let’s not forget Col. Edward Straker, who was a former American Air Force colonel.

    • Tundra

      Made my day.

      Thanks, mikey!

    • Fatty Bolger

      That’s great.

  11. Rebel Scum

    Progjection. It’s whats for dinner.

    Booker said, “I think he understands to some degree that he has to take extraordinary steps to try to win this election. What are those extraordinary steps? One, he’s attacked the United States Postal service. He’s attacked the whole mail-in ballot process. He’s literally gone as far to say that, if I don’t win, the election was rigged, which means that he is now, even if he loses, telling us all that he will break with a tradition that goes back to George Washington in which we have the graceful transfer of power. He will show no grace. He will question the results. That firm base that believes in him will be riled up, and he will incite them in every way possible to not accept that democratic tradition. Yet, another one of our traditions and our norms that he threatens, and he threatens it in a way that really undermines the very foundations of our democracy, and this is a shameful 67 days. I think we’re going into where we’re going to see just a spectacle of dishonor at the end.”

    Uhhh…there is a constitutional amendment resulting from a certain Democrat’s failure to abide by Washington’s example to cede the office after two terms…

    • juris imprudent

      You think a single pesky fact is going to interrupt the narrative?

  12. Francisco d'Anconia

    Will the Space Force be playing homoerotic beach volleyball?

    • Mojeaux

      +1 Iceman

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        *snaps teeth at Mo*

      • Mojeaux

        You did not disappoint.

      • Francisco d'Anconia

        So, just like Top Gun Iceman?

    • Brochettaward

      As the most masculine Glib, the First of Firsters, I am the natural arbiter of what is or is not gay. The beach volleyball scene in Top Gun is an example of bonding between brothers in arms, even if they are in the Air Force.*

      My ruling? Not gay. This is definitive. There is no arguing.

      *The ruling would change if we were discussing the Navy, but it would be redundant to call it gay because by virtue of being in the Navy, their gayness would already have been established.

      • Mojeaux

        Um. They’re Navy, not Air Force.

      • Brochettaward

        I’m the expert on what is or isn’t gay, not Tom Cruise films (I do not deem it to be an ’80’s action flick). Haven’t watched Top Gun in years.

        But see the addendum at the end of previous post. Ruling reversed.

      • juris imprudent

        Truly, the Bro’ doth protest too much.

      • westernsloper

        hah!

      • Rebel Scum

        Indeed. And it is time to buzz the tower.

        P.s. Even though I know it has at least one significant design flaw, I <3 the F-14.

        P.s P.s. I am still geeking out over the new Top Gun movie.

      • Mojeaux

        I’m looking forward to both that and Bill&Ted, and I haven’t actually wanted to GO SEE a movie in years. I mean, I have gone to see some, but not ones I particularly cared about. Mr. Mojeaux wins tickets.

      • Rebel Scum

        I’m looking forward to both that and Bill&Ted

        #MeToo. I really hope both get the “familiar but new” formula down and refrain from politiking. I am generally skeptical, especially considering what Darth Disney did to Star Wars. So hopefully I am not setting myself up for disappointment.

      • Nephilium

        I enjoyed the rebooted Jay and Silent Bob movie. It made fun of the concept of reboots, remakes, and the like while being one. If you haven’t watched the other Kevin Smith movies, it’ll be pointless, but it’s not a movie to start with.

      • Rebel Scum

        That’s funny. I guess Tarantino is not only about violence.

      • Gdragon

        I have heard before from some Air Force friends that they are all on ships and boats, making love to sheeps and goats. But I can’t verify this.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      Whatever floats your boat.

    • juris imprudent

      Meh, ask the Australians about introduced species.

    • robc

      I have lived in 2 of the 3.

  13. Rhywun

    Call me a philistine but I always hated the “we’re the navy”/”swab the decks matey” nonsense on Trek.

    That and the communism.

    • Ted S.

      We’re the Navy! Yes we can sail the seven seas;
      We’re the Navy! Yes we can put our minds at ease!

    • juris imprudent

      It must be the absence of “hey sailor”, amirite?

      • Rhywun

        ?

    • Rebel Scum

      Awhile back I attempted to watch TNG chronologically in part because I recalled it always being on as a child because my parents watched it. I recalled it being entertaining but I thought I’d have a greater appreciation for the content of the story as an adult. I made it two episodes before I was fed up with the overt communism in the show.

      • Rebel Scum

        The communistic shit persist in Enterprise as well, but there is less of it and it is more watchable. I did like that series.

      • Mojeaux

        DS9 was a great antidote to that. The Ferenghi were unapologetic about their capitalism and became a morality and ego-check on the rest of the crew. Eventually, they stopped being minor villains.

      • Rhywun

        The Ferenghi were unapologetic about their capitalism

        Except for “workers of the world unite” Rom.

      • Mojeaux

        Wasn’t he the family idiot, though?

      • Rhywun

        Yeah until he joined Starfleet, married a hot casino chick, and became Ferengi leader…. I see your point.

      • UnCivilServant

        He joined a communiust organization, engaged in bestiality by marrying a different species, and tried to burn down the core of his birth culture.

        Besides which, having the current leader appoint a successor doesn’t make sense for the established culture. Ferengi would auction off the post.

      • juris imprudent

        So, Obama’s spirit animal?

      • Raven Nation

        One of the best things about Enterprise was making the Vulcans overt assholes.

      • Rhywun

        ? I’ve always disliked them.

        Was ruminating the other day on how shockingly racist those shows are. Worf: “Romulans are sneaky and deceptive!”

        I get that it’s literary shorthand or some shit – but geez, tone it down.

      • Drake

        But they are!

      • Drake

        #metoo

      • Gustave Lytton

        It does become even more obvious in rewatching? I love classic Doctor Who, but some of the preaching is just over the top. Particularly the late 80’s stories.

      • juris imprudent

        Look, if they can have faster than light travel (and comms), then they finally have the means to make communism work too! Suspend all disbelief or don’t.

      • Rebel Scum

        Communism only works if 1) humans are not human and 2) scarcity is not a thing.

        IOW, reality says communism can never work.

      • juris imprudent

        FASTER THAN LIGHT

      • TARDIS

        The military by modern design, is socialistic in nature. This may because of it being an all volunteer system. You get what you need.

        Single? Live in the dorm or barracks and eat at the chow hall. No separate rations or housing allowance.
        Married and knocked up the wife 2 times? Base/Post housing with food money. Kids small? Two bedrooms. Teenage kids? Three bedrooms. See, socialism. No room on base? Extra tax-free money to live on the “economy”.

      • Raven Nation

        “because I recalled it always being on as a child because my parents watched it.”

        Sigh, I am definitely getting old.

      • Nephilium

        TNG got much better in the second season. Tthe way to tell the period is if Riker has a beard, TNG is the reason there’s the expression grew a beard for series.

      • Rhywun

        LOL. S01 is truly awful.

  14. westernsloper

    We cannot forget USAF Colonel Steve Austin, an astronaut who crashed his ship and severely injured himself that cost taxpayers $6 million to put him back together,

    LOL

    And ahem/Akshully, any person in charge of a ship, regardless of rank in the maritime services is referred to as Captain. It is a title, not a rank. An LT was captain of a ship I was stationed on. The XO was a LTJG and he was referred to as XO.

    • juris imprudent

      Is a PT boat really a “ship”?

      • westernsloper

        QUIET YOU!!!! H/T Derp

        Anything over 65′ is a ship.

      • Francisco d'Anconia

        Ship?

        146′

        Aircraft Commander

      • westernsloper

        Do they float? Water, 65′ and float on water. Or perhaps, if it was an Airship and not an Aircraft it would be commanded by someone referred to as Captain.

      • TARDIS

        Airlines often refer to their aircraft as ships as well. I don’t know if that is from the flying boat days, or what. It’s weird.

  15. Scruffy Nerfherder

    How can we have a Space Force when we haven’t even gotten a Train Force yet?

    • limey

      Amtrak is fantastically late IME. Perhaps some kind of large-scale bureaucratic reshuffle will set that straight.

    • juris imprudent

      I think the trains did their part in the last thread. [I really should move to PHX before I spend eternity in hell.]

  16. Gustave Lytton

    The real question is how will Space Force chow rank? They’re splitting off from the AF so standards are high. Freeze dried entrees and astronaut ice cream isn’t going to cut it.

    • mexican sharpshooter

      AF “Dinning Facilities” only have this reputation due to the 1970s public school srandards the rest of the services seem to abide by.

      It is otherwise scrappy food.

      • Gustave Lytton

        I made the mistake of reading the Army’s current meal guidelines for DFACs.

        It’s not even up to that low standard anymore.

  17. Gustave Lytton

    First barracks inspection in basic. Some Private was asked who the brigade commander was. “Col Klink, sir!” ?‍♂️

  18. The Bearded Hobbit

    I have no idea what a Zuzax is

    There was a tourist trap/curio shop on US-66 east of Albuquerque named Zuzax in the 1950’s. In addition to the normal Indian rugs and jewelry they had a chairlift ride to to top of a nearby hill. By the time I lived in the area in the 1960’s it was abandoned. It was completely razed in 1976 to make way for Interstate 40. Destroyed it and then named the exit after it.

    https://www.eastmountaindirectory.com/publishing/Historical/225-Zuzax-A-Place-between-Places.html

  19. TARDIS

    Once there are space ships exploring or patrolling space, then we can talk about naval ranks.

    Was it Heinlein that addressed the ground rank captains among space captains? I think the solution was to give a temporary promotion to major.

  20. Frosty

    We’re way off base here. Space Force should clearly use Marine ranks, as seen in the documentary Aliens.

    • TARDIS

      Sure, for the ground attack troops. But the boat crew could still be Navy, just like now.

      • slumbrew

        Exactly – someone needs to drive the jarheads around.

      • Frosty

        If we’re gonna take the joke apart, wasn’t the ship automated anyway? I don’t think there were any ship crew shown.

      • slumbrew

        Yes, AFAICT the Sulaco was automated, just the dropships had human pilots.

      • l0b0t

        “We’re in the pipe; five by five.”

      • TARDIS

        Sorry I ruined it, Frosty.

        Well then, since they can fly a big ass ship fully automated to another star system, they can investigate the site from the ship using only fully automated drones. They should have been able to detect all human and alien life, rescued the little girl, and nuked the aliens from space. Should have been a 15 minute documentary.

      • TARDIS

        But then we would not have had the joy of Bill Paxton.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Game over man, game over…

      • Cy

        Just watched him in “Edge of Tomorrow.” I really miss him.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        You’re stewed, buttwad!

    • UnCivilServant

      Nonsense, the Space Force needs new ranks, ones without the connotations of planetary forces.

  21. Sean

    Gf took a covid test today for work. Got the negative results on the spot.

    She was not happy about the swabbing part.

    • Urthona

      Not up the nose? feel lucky.

      • Sean

        On yeah, the nose one.

    • hayeksplosives

      They have to swab that deep to get the microchip implanted in the right spot in her brain.

      • westernsloper

        When I got mine I swear the nurse stabbed the back of my eyeball.

      • Urthona

        oh so it was the nose

    • Urthona

      Does that mean it’s more fatal?

      • westernsloper

        Probably not. The numbers in the Death column are complete bullshit too. What struck me is the utter unreliability of the results and no set standard yet the Top Men are making policy, destroying business and disrupting peoples lives based on testing results. It’s a fucking joke.

  22. Urthona

    I’m reading now that Jacob Blake was stealing that car and it wasn’t his. Were those his kids in the back?

    • Rebel Scum

      As if that type of context matters. *riots and arson’s a Wendy’s*

    • KSuellington

      The call to 911 was made because he came back to the house where he (was accused of) digitally raping a woman he knew in July and had stolen the keys to her car.

  23. LCDR_Fish

    In keeping with the “Live Free or Die” books, I concur that all shuttles should be piloted by enlisted navy coxswains. (pronounced “cocksuns” to you landlubbers).

    • UnCivilServant

      So is it that sailors can’t spell, or sailors have a severe speech impediment?

      • Animal

        Yes.

  24. limey

    Space is an inhospitable hell, so perhaps it should be nothing more than a prison colony, BUT HOWEVER ALTHOUGH that was the original consideration behind sending folks to Australia, was it not?

    If everything in Australia is trying to kill you, but civilization survives there to this day, then perhaps space, which itself is the most trying-to-kill-you habitat currently accesible to humans, is also worth a look.

    • Urthona

      Why not colonize places here that are way more habitable though? Antarctica is quite large and way more habitable than Mars. Alaska virtually uninhabited (700k). The Australian outback substantially more habitable. In the ocean? still way more practical.

      • limey

        If I happened to be moving to Alaska, I’m wondering how NIMBY I’d be about lots of other people moving there. I’m just considering the likely motivations behind to Alaska.

      • slumbrew

        ’m just considering the likely motivations behind [moving] to Alaska.

        Fleeing child-support payments?

      • Urthona

        I’m sure . just pointing out the most empty inhospitable parts of Alaska are still way more habitable than Mars or some such place.

        what about the Sahara desert? it’s massive. no one lives there. over a thousand times more hospitable than space easily.

    • Rhywun

      Plus they had a pretty good run freedom-wise until 2020.

    • slumbrew

      Given how expensive it is to get anything out of the gravity well, it’s still way cheaper just to lock people in cages for the rest of their lives :-/

    • slumbrew

      He’s Cassandra at this point – he points out things like this but nobody on his side will listen to him.

    • Rhywun

      Maybe the urban shock troops weren’t such a great idea.

    • Cy

      “Are you ready for a Trump victory? Are you mentally prepared to be outsmarted by Trump again?”

      He hasn’t stopped beating you idiots since he took the presidency. It wasn’t because he’s some genius, it’s because every time someone on the left has a microphone in front of them they can’t make it 7 words without sounding insane! Oh… and the whole encouraging rioting, looting and arson aren’t exactly proven political strategies, unless you’re Stalin or Hitler.

    • slumbrew

      That looks seriously dangerous.

      • Gender Traitor

        Oh, yes, I DO want one of those! Do I have to know how to drive stick? I don’t know how to drive stick. : (

      • TARDIS

        Don’t feel bad. I tried to teach my daughter to drive a manual for 5 months. She just couldn’t get it. Not one time, I think. I’m a failure as a father. 🙁

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m looking to learn to drive a manual transmission, but don’t have a vehicle with one to practice on. What’s the best option?

      • DEG

        Check your local driving schools.

        I know of one where I grew up that would teach you how to drive a manual, but only if you already had your driver’s license.

      • TARDIS

        That’s a problem. There are so few around now, relatively speaking. You’ll have to know someone that will let you tear up their clutch. Is there a driving school that might have an option to learn?

        A girlfriend taught me in the ninth grade on one of these.

      • Gender Traitor

        Does the technique for a motorcycle carry over well to a car?

      • EvilSheldon

        Riding a motorcycle isn’t exactly the same, but it certainly doesn’t hurt.

      • TARDIS

        Meh. Hand, foot, same technique. Just be… smooth and fast.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Microsoft Clutch Simulator 2020

      • slumbrew

        Ah, cool – I thought it was something homemade.

        It looks dangerously top-heavy and prone to turtling, but I’m going to guess the Sherp engineers have given that some throught.

      • UnCivilServant

        I think the engine and all the heavy mechanical bits are in the space between the wheels, not as high as the box on top. So until it’s packed to the gills with cargo, you’ll still have a center of gravity below the midline.

      • Fourscore

        Come and practice on my Farmall tractor. Exactly 3 on the floor, got a clutch and goes slow. It’s an easy jump to a car that just goes faster. It’s the way farm kids learned to drive at 12 and the old man’s pick up a year later

    • Grosspatzer

      Could be the naval division of Delta House. Cmdr. Blutarski at the helm.

  25. DEG

    As for this beer, it is a classic Kölsch. I assumed it was one of those “better than normal” yellow ales like Firestone Walker 805 but its definitely a Kölsch. It caught me off guard and I used the chalice by mistake. Its best served in a flute, pilsner glass, or something with the mouth wider than the base for this. It is done well, and I have no idea what a Zuzax is. La Cumbre Zuzax Ale: 3.2/5

    Here’s another I’ll try.

    As long as I’m having drinks with the green lass in the preview pictures. Well, even if I’m not.

  26. Viking1865

    Trump:

    Now that Biden’s Polls are dropping fast, he has agreed to get out of his basement and start campaignin,“in ten days.” Sadly, that is a very slow reaction time for a President. Our beloved USA needs a much faster, smarter, and tougher response than that. Get out there today, Joe!

    It still kind of amazes me that the President of the United States acts like a WWE character.

    • mrfamous

      Not acting like a politician has got to be at least one source of his electoral strength. It probably pisses off the Bill Kristols of the world as well. Not a big fan of the guy, but then that’s true of every other major party presidential candidate the last 30 years or so.

    • Grosspatzer

      Policy considerations aside, I prefer WWE characters to attempts at mimicking European Royalty. Dynasties suck.

    • Semi-Spartan Dad

      We knew President Camacho was inevitable

    • C. Anacreon

      I always had a soft spot for Jesse Ventura as a politician.

    • TARDIS

      If I have to choose a boorish WWE character who slows the inevitable tide of the swamp over a dignified tyrant kowtowing to the communists, so be it. I’ve said it before. I would love to have an unedited video of Herself when she fully realized she lost the election. It would be like I took a double dose of Viagra.

      • slumbrew

        “If your schadenboner lasts longer than 4 hours, call a friend and brag about it”

  27. Urthona

    I feel like your beer reviews are always about 1 point low on average.

  28. Sean

    It’s brilliant. Embrace it.

    • Sean

      Meant as a reply to Viking.

    • Grosspatzer

      Don’t piss off Germans, that never ends well.

      • Sean

        Masks, covid restrictions, draconian “laws” from what I saw.

      • Mojeaux

        Berlin anti-lockdoen protest that’s YUGE.

        Meanwhile, in America… *crickets*

      • UnCivilServant

        There were protests here before the riots.

        I wonder why the pro-lockdown governors don’t do anything about the rioters.

      • hayeksplosives

        They don’t prevent riots because the left wants to intimidate the right into silence (cancel culture), into obedience (masks and lockdown), and into fear for physical safety.

        They are telling us troublesome freedom lovers that they have the upper hand, and that they will use it.

        I don’t think they have the upper hand yet, but they’ve shown what will happen if we let it.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        ^Yep, good for us they got impatient and played their hand just a little too soon.

      • Grosspatzer

        “I think there’s a line and if someone takes to the streets with neo-Nazis then they’ve crossed that line,” said Verena, a counter-protester from Berlin who declined to provide her surname.”

        So, protesting draconian shutdowns = Nazi, and supporting authoritarians = what?

      • Dr. Fronkensteen

        A mostly violent protest.

      • Ted S.

        The apparent logic, such as it is, is that if “neo-Nazis” oppose the lockdowns, then everybody who opposes lockdowns is a neo-Nazi.

      • Dr. Fronkensteen

        Same thing with the statues. Since racists don’t want the statues torn down everyone who opposes tearing down the statues is a racist.

    • DEG

      A friend of mine in Vienna sent me some information.

      The German government restricted people traveling to Berlin. It also tried limiting the number of people plus issued 150 Euro fines for not wearing masks.

      • Rhywun

        Who does Merkel think she is… Cuomo?

      • juris imprudent

        Whitmer

  29. hayeksplosives

    Thinking of Babylon 5 from several comments above.

    B5 is Star Trek without the idealistic commie utopian spin. Like in Star Trek, Earth is a metaphor for America, but B5 realistically portrays power struggles, war, entangling alliances, etc. and the interstellar alliances are UN-like in their posturing and uneffectiveness.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, Jerry Doyle (Garabaldi in B5) became a conservative/libertarian talk show host and ran for Congress on the GOP ticket in California. Bruce Boxleitner (the Captain) also “came out” as conservative. Mira Furlan (ambassador Delenn) held a dim and specific view of socialism after escaping war in her homeland Croatia.

    It’s hard not to think they understood the significance of the B5 portrayal of a possible future with all the same negative issues that beset humans on earth, just spread over a wider territory.

    Fortunately, the best of Mankind is also on display at times, but note that it’s on a purely individual basis, not a planned bureaucratic output. And a little revolution was a good thing.

    • hayeksplosives

      B5 even had “NightWatch” so citizens could narc on each other to the state.

      • Plinker762

        One of my favorite scifi shows

    • Rhywun

      Looking forward to it. I saw maybe two episodes, about 25 years ago.

      • hayeksplosives

        First season is a little rough at times, and the pilot episode was trying way too hard.

        Second and third seasons will have you binge watching.

        Enjoy!

    • one true athena

      I remember JMS would say in interviews that he and Doyle would get into rather heated political discussions. Sad to think that today, he’d probably be “you’re fired, nazi, get out” rather than have those discussions.

      • hayeksplosives

        I’d like to think JMS wouldn’t have fired him; he never shrank from difficult discussions on the show.

        But producers and owner/execs might.

  30. DEG

    I was at the Portsmouth, NH anti-mask ordinance protest. A guy from Free Keene chatted with me. He wanted to know about where I get information from. I said libertarian sights. He wanted to know what ones. I said, “Reason used to be good. Glibertarians is good. LewRockwell is OK. FEE and mises are good.” We’ll see if he posts it and we get an influx of trolls.

    • DEG

      “chatted with me and recorded the chat”.

    • UnCivilServant

      Libertarian sights? As in rifle sights?

      Domestic Terror Organization Confirmed!

      • DEG

        Oops.

    • hayeksplosives

      I recently tried to go to a politics chat room. Holy moly, it was as civil as a mostly peaceful protest, which is to say, not at all.

      And the comments just flew by too quickly to follow a train of thought.

      No thanks.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      What kind of info was he looking for, astrology stuff or rapesquatch sightings?

      • Sean

        Proper steak doneness.

      • Gender Traitor

        Why, thorough, detailed beer reviews, of course!

      • UnCivilServant

        That’s only a fraction of our content. That’d be like saying they come looking for serialized fiction

      • Gender Traitor

        ms’s beer reviews are only a fraction of his beer review columns.

      • UnCivilServant

        There’s a beer review in these articles?

      • Gender Traitor

        Well, there’s a picture of a beer, and that’s worth…ummm…how many words? ::pulls out calculator, punches keys:: Divide by the square root…carry the one… ::flings calculator against wall:: MATH IS HARD!!!!1

      • Rhywun

        Don’t worry your pretty little head over it, GT.

      • Gender Traitor

        Thanks, Rhy! ::blisses out again::

        Besides, it’s nap time. See y’all later.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        No offense meant to the other authors, I was just trying to be pithy.

      • UnCivilServant

        I think it’s good that the site’s content can’t be easily classified.

      • UnCivilServant

        Sugarfree’s nightmares.

      • DEG

        He was looking for where I get information about current events/news/etc. from.

      • UnCivilServant

        Mouse entrails.

        I’ve been ill informed for some time since the supply of mice appears to have dried up.

  31. TARDIS

    Yeah that sounds about as enjoyable and productive as teaching a pig to sing.

    • TARDIS

      Meant as a reply to Hayek. I recently tried to go to a politics chat room.

  32. Stinky Wizzleteats

    Lady loudly accuses Asian tea house of appropriating black culture, in this case boba tea (actual vid in the place begins around 1 1/2 minutes in):

    https://youtu.be/Hsr5laDqlZ4

    What a nice person she is.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      And from the comments:

      “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.”
      -St Anthony the Great

      How perfect is that?

  33. Fatty Bolger

    I noticed today that my neighbors who had BLM signs up (both are black families) have taken them down. One of them put up a “stand for justice” sign instead. I don’t think the nightly “peaceful but fiery” protests are playing very well with the community here, and they don’t want to be associated with them.

  34. Annoyed Nomad

    When I was an AF Captain assigned in the Los Angeles area, I had to make medical appointments at the Long Beach Naval Base. I’d always get a crisp “Yes Sir!” from the enlisted guy in response to “Captain Nomad” calling. I’d always feel guilty and explain that I’m an AF Captain. They seemed to appreciate the honesty.

    • UnCivilServant

      Well, honesty is always nice.

      And that’s more of an indictment of naval captains than anything else.

    • Annoyed Nomad

      That reminds me of a joke:
      An Airman decides to be funny and answers the duty phone with “Joe’s Pizza!” It turns out that the highest ranking General on the base is the ones who is calling and he is not amused. The General asks, “Do you know who I am?!” The Airman replies “Yes Sir, General! Do you know who I am?” The General says, “No.” To which the Airman says “Good!” and hangs up.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        You owe Cheech and Chong some royalties for that one.

      • UnCivilServant

        That joke structure predates their usage.

      • Timeloose

        I saw Buddy Hackett do that bit before. General Fatt ass

    • mikey

      A fellow AF captain and I got assigned a staff car and driver when visiting a Navy base. The driver thought it was funny. The guy who assigned us the car didn’t.

  35. robc

    Jerk Chicken and Peach Chutney.

    I am thinking Aventinus with it.

    • Tres Cool

      Free Domino’s pizza, and Milwaukee’s Beast Diet. Life is good.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I shit my pants just thinking about that.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        What’s a case of the Beast cost now? I haven’t drunk that stuff since high school.

      • Tres Cool

        $14.99/30-pack. Worth every penny.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        A place in my hometown that used to sell to underaged kids back in the ‘80s would sell it for $5.00 per case. It was acceptably not terrible if it was ice cold, that much I do remember.

      • UnCivilServant

        Even if free, I’d look for an alternative to Dominos.

      • Tres Cool

        You look down your nose because we cut our pizza into squares, too.

        *not Domino’s this time, but a couple of local places do that

    • westernsloper

      Pork Tenderloin in the crock for lazy man pulled pork. It’s going into the smoker for a few hour finish in smoke soon. I am planning to toast brioche buns in too much butter and top with slaw for a sandwich or two. Might even get crazy and put some shredded colby jack on them. The first tequila and soda of the night has been made and partially consumed.

    • robc

      A jamaican would throw a fit, but the jerk chicken was good. I made it without scotch bonnets though.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      LOL