GlibFit 4.0 – Coronavirus Edition XXIX: Fasting Kicks My Ass

by | Oct 4, 2020 | Fitness, GlibFit | 167 comments

Yom Kippur was this past week. I fasted as part of the observance.   Total fast time was roughly 26 hours.  So, we are all talking about the same thing, by fasting I mean total abstention from food and water.

This year was just like every year since I was 13.  Right around 20 hours into it, I get lethargic and sleepy.  Since there is a break in services during the afternoon this isn’t a problem for me.  I nap.

My problem is that night and the following day(s).  I’ve learned not to overindulge when I break the fast.  But no matter what I eat, I inevitably stay up much later than usual.  I just cannot fall asleep at a normal hour.  That leads to waking up tired the next day and my schedule gets thrown off.  Sometimes it’s just a one-day problem and then I’m back on track.  Other times it’s taken 2 or 3 days to get back to my normal routine.

A good number of you have done some form of fasting for health reasons.  There are plenty of variations on this theme.  Some of you do intermittent fasting.  Some of you have described drinking water but not eating for 2-3 days.  I’m sure there are other versions that blew by me.

What fasts have you done?  Why? How has it affected you while you were fasting?  What were the after affects, if any?  What benefit(s) do you get from it?

I don’t Twatter but I have regularly checked Alex Berenson’s feed since learning about him during the pandemic.  This tweet in particular seems GlibFit appropriate.

The perpetually shifting numbers and perpetually shifting goalposts of the gauleiters is driving me batty.  I am now resolutely convinced these power mad jackasses would really see us all be equal by being equally poor.  Except for our overlords, of course.  They are the more equal animals.

I checked California’s COVID numbers because school-by-Zoom has had its problems for my youngest.  I can only imagine how things are for kids in a poor family.  Here are California’s numbers.

In the 5-17-year age group, i.e. kids in school, there have been 2 deaths.  Let me say that again for anyone who thinks that’s a typo.  There have been 2 deaths. There are over six million children in California public schools.  We are severely degrading the education of over six million children because 2 have died this year.  I’m sure some enterprising reporter will ask Governor Newsom about this. And then pigs will fly.

JFC is there anything The Simpsons hasn’t predicted?

This week’s music choice.  

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167 Comments

  1. Rebel Scum

    Working out is probably the most first thing you can do.

  2. Mojeaux

    Re fasting:

    My church has a fasting thing. You go without food and water for two meals, then donate the cost of those meals to the “fast offering” funds. Those funds are not tithes. They go directly to the ward (parish) account for feeding those who can’t provide for themselves. This happens the first Saturday night to Sunday of the month. On “fast Sunday”, then, the pulpit is open to anyone who wants to bear their testimony. Occasionally, some wards (parishes) have a “linger longer” after church, which is dinner, where everyone breaks their fast.

    There are people who are exempt: diabetics and pregnant women, for two.

    Me, I can fast for long stretches of time (used to do it all the time–one meal, I was good for 12-16 hours), although 24 hours is pushing my tolerances, but I cannot go without water for very long. I don’t fast successfully when water is part of the prohibition. If I have surgery and they tell me not to eat or drink anything after midnight, they can’t get a needle in my vein. Any vein. But that’s their problem, since they told me to do that. My thirst problem is solved almost as soon as they start pumping me with saline.

    Re progress

    I was down 9 pounds or something like that, but started stress eating. I wasn’t even hungry. I was just mouth hungry and eating to soothe my feathers. I gained back 8 pounds and my deconditioned state got VERY annoying before I said, “Oh, this is bullshit. No more.” Cue low carb and intermittent fasting. That was Thursday. I have since dropped 3 of those pounds, so now, from my height, when I began reporting, I am down 4 pounds again. I’m depending on my Splenda-sweetened homemade lemonade to take care of my sweet tooth.

    • Rebel Scum

      You go without food and water for two meals, then donate the cost of those meals to the “fast offering” funds.

      That’s like running a marathon for cancer. I don’t have to sweat for cancer and I don’t have to starve to feed the poor. I’ll write a check.

      • Mojeaux

        I’ll write a check.

        That’s what we do.

      • Chafed

        And I would guess forgoing two meals gives some greater insight and empathy for those without the means to regularly eat.

      • Mojeaux

        Not so much.

        It’s more so emulating Christ’s 40 days fasting in the desert when he was tempted by Satan.

      • Chafed

        So much for good intentions.

    • hayeksplosives

      Congratulations on the weight loss, as long as it’s healthy.

      I still haven’t done the fresh lemonade thing, but I have a big jar of fresh lemon juice in the fridge winking at me…

      • Mojeaux

        Thanks!

        Fresh lemonade is the best. It’s ALMOST as good as pink lemonade made from concentrate. But I could drink my weight in calories, so I stay away from calorie-rich drinks; hence, the Splenda for my lemonade (also, the Splenda makes it more tart than sugar; the tarter the better, I say).

    • SP

      Woohoo! 4 pounds gone is excellent!

    • Rhywun

      If I have surgery and they tell me not to eat or drink anything after midnight, they can’t get a needle in my vein. Any vein.

      Tell me about it. I came out of the hospital recently looking like a junkie pincushion. Lack of food does that?

      • Mojeaux

        No, lack of water. Hydration keeps your veins nice and plump.

        To be fair, I have tiny veins anyway, tiny enough I can’t give blood. The biggest vein available for them to use is in my right hand. Once they blow those 3, we’re done. They either have to get out the UV light to find something (everything is so squiggly under the skin!) or put it somewhere stupid like my thigh.

      • Rhywun

        Yeah, I got the UV treatment on multiple occasions. None of them successful. Eventually they pull in someone who actually knows how to do it and it’s one and done. In the meantime my arms are covered in bandages from the all the failed attempts.

      • Mojeaux

        You have to hunt down a phlebotomist. Those kids know what they’re doing (and they’re almost always young adults).

      • Rhywun

        Hm. The best at it was this young guy in intake or whatever they call it. You know, to prep me. He probably does it all day long.

        The nurses were very hit or miss.

    • Michael Bluth

      It is also the quickest way to figure out who the crazies might be in said ward.

      • Mojeaux

        The crazies get up every single fast Sunday and drone on and on.

        That said, occasionally they ask someone seemingly sane to give a talk. The last talk I remember (years ago now) was some young guy talking about earning our way to heaven so we go there when we die.

        Never have I ever regretted staying silent as much as I do that moment, when someone should have gotten up and whispered in his ear, “That’s false doctrine. Sit down and shut up”, but since no one did, I should’ve, because that’s just who I am and it would have taken no one by surprise if Sister Mojeaux had gotten up in sacrament meeting to say, “That is false doctrine.”

        I’ve noticed evangelical-speak creeping into our lexicon and it’s disturbing.

      • Michael Bluth

        There is a quote in a story about the Romney campaign that has stuck with me: “The Latter-day Saint longing to feel normal is practically genetic…” I can’t decide if that’s because of or despite our cultural persecution complex, but we probably need to get over ourselves a little more and just let our Mormon freak flags fly.

      • Mojeaux

        let our Mormon freak flags fly.

        That is EXACTLY, to the letter, what my brother and I have been saying for the last 20 years.

        I am sick and tired of this neurosis.

  3. hayeksplosives

    I have fasted for a day at a time, usually to jump start weight loss when I’m stuck on a plateau. I have never stopped drinking water though.

    It doesn’t make me exhausted, but I only do a day at a time.

  4. DEG

    The featured image is good.

    What fasts have you done? Why?

    The only fasts I’ve done were for medical reasons. Fast before blood work and before surgery.

    Music choice is interesting.

    Weight is down. Last week I went back to running a caloric deficit.

    No setbacks so far on my disc herniation recovery. My workouts are conditioning work twice a week plus weights twice a week when the trainer can keep an eye on me to fix form. I deadlifted a 18 lb kettlebell from a block last week without a problem. The trainer noted I had some problems hinging, so we’ll work on that.

    I had another round of Man vs. Lilacs today. I removed the biggest stump so far. I cut the roots such that I had a 18 inch diameter root ball. The largest trunk in the stump, and there were several trunks coming off of this stump, was between 6.5″ and 7″ in circumference. I’d say the stump weighed about 50 lbs. I’m certain there is a euphemism or two in there.

    I’m heading out for an early dinner, then I have to beat my head against the wall at work… errr…. get caught up on a few things at work.

    • SP

      Lilacs? Lilacs are beautiful. And also make great privacy hedges.

      Glad your recovery is coming along!

    • Mojeaux

      What are you using to cut the roots? I use my Sawzall with a pruning blade. It even cut through yew.

  5. one true athena

    This panic over the schools is INSANE. My son’s private school finally got the ok to allow K-grade 2, PART TIME (two days a week, IIRC). Because the school is only allows something ridiculous like 10% of capacity at any time. Everyone else is still all virtual of course. At this rate my high schooler will have an entire year online. jfc I hate all these people so, so much.

    • Mojeaux

      XY is not doing well virtually AT ALL, and this is a kid who has consistently gotten good grades with no input or prodding from us.

      • hayeksplosives

        I was a good student with good grades, but I don’t think I’d have had the discipline to tend to my studies without being prodded.

        Besides, there really is something to be said for “socializing” with other humans. It’s a real thing.

      • Mojeaux

        I would not have understood anything in the classes I was taking if I weren’t there in person. Right now, that’s XY’s problem. If he doesn’t understand the concept, he won’t even try to do the assignments.

        I’m about to fire up his Khan Academy account again and have him work through his algebra that way.

      • Drake

        Just talked to my son in college. He’s getting frustrated too. He even has a lab that is virtual.

    • Tundra

      Shockingly, our school district approved K-5 going back to 100% in class.

      It’s about time.

      • Chafed

        Wow. What’s their public justification in your risk averse state?

      • Tundra

        Literally, “for the kids.”

        Go figure.

      • Chafed

        I… uh… I have no words.

      • Chafed

        So hateful.

    • ruodberht

      This is absolutely going to have a measurable impact on kids. Really, everyone – a year of fake online college is going to fuck a lot of people in that area as well. I would be fire-up-the-woodchippers livid if my kids got a shittier education because of these pants-shitters.

      Online DOES work for some people. Not for all. Some people are just losing a year of their lives. For nothing.

      Can we include THAT in the mortality stats of the lockdowns? 1/n, where n is the average lifespan, for each schoolage kid? I bet that’s a bit north of the 200k who died of the actual vid. Or didn’t die OF it, but died WITH it. Or had a positive test. Or…

      • Chafed

        Don’t get me started on what is and isn’t being measured, how it’s measured, and by whom. I will explode.

  6. IRBE

    HI Chafed, Thanks for the new edition and greetings from NOCal. It was a bit hot-smokey all week here. I was thinking about your bum knee and remembered that my sons’ suffered from jumpers knee which they alleviated with stretches they learned as part of their PT. It really worked. I would research relative to your specific issues to see what might help. “Today its all the stretching..prepare yourself with a bit of 40W oil, preferably Prestone…”

    I am hopelessly-helplessly-masklessly-recklessly optimistic today. The weather has cleared and improved, rain is in the forecast. Trump is going to make that virus his bitch after he reassorts that virus from ‘Rona to ‘Merica. People will go to DC, just like the Holy Waters of Lourdes to be cured of fear and loathing.

    I continued with the Wim Hoff breathing exercises first thing, including some stretching and cold showers. I recommended it to my son, since he has trouble falling asleep. It has improved his ability to fall and stay asleep. For me it is something to do…I think it is helping.

    Hiking mileage plummeted this week. Smokey, hot and too many meeting during prime hiking hours, make it not conducive to hiking. I think my gym was able to open. I’ll look at my credit card statement for verification.

    No fasting this past week since I did 3-day fast the week before. As I said before, I didn’t get any additional benefit with the extra fasted time…Oh well, nothing ventured nothing gained. Depending on your definition of fasting, I fast every day since from last meal to breakfast is 16-18 hrs. When I do a 48hr fast, I drink a cup of coffee (addiction headache prevention) and salt water but really only miss 3 meals.

    Like and remember the musical selection– Husker Du?

    Have a great week and skip a meal or 3.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Trump is going to make that virus his bitch

      I hope so too. If he croaks (and there’s a more than zero chance of that), the effluent will hit the rotary wing.

      • Sean

        They are already talking about releasing him from the hospital tomorrow.

      • Gustave Lytton

        If he was admitted as precautionary as claimed, he should be able to be discharged at any time. If it’s just for monitoring, why would they be in a rush to get him out?

      • IRBE

        They didn’t mess around with him. He has probably had numerous transfusions, enemas, lyposuctions, tucks, organ transplants, hair restorations and various enlargements. He’ll come out looking 30 yrs orange-er and younger.

    • Chafed

      Thanks IRBE. I’m glad things are improving for you. Stretching has been helpful. For reasons unknown, every now and again my knee just hurts. I give it some time, then get back to it.

      • IRBE

        When I used to run I would get a very sharp pain on the outside of my knee if I would do something as trivial as stepping up on a curb. I always thought it was arthritis..

        I remember asking my dad who was an old-time doctor. I said, “dad my knee really hurts when I run. Do you have any advice.” He said, “stop running!”

        I don’t run now but I do stretch out much more thoroughly that I used to. I used to just stretch out my legs. Now I stretch out my back and hips much more than my legs. Anyway I don’t have that issue any more. Maybe dad was right.

  7. SP

    I’m on Day 63 of The Great 100 Day Plant-Based Experiment. Seems simultaneously “gee, that was fast” and “wow, it feels as if I’ve been doing this forever.”

    Still no sidesteps.

    And just to further my Total Lifestyle Transformation, I gave up caffeine about 3 weeks ago.

    Oh, also, fasting is pretty easy for me as long as I don’t smell food cooking. I typically do intermittent fasting every day. I try to have an 18 hour fast and only a 6 hour “fed window.” I just feel better that way, but I was never a breakfast person anyway.

    • Mojeaux

      Congrats! I’m glad it’s working for you.

      I gave up caffeine about 3 weeks ago.

      Did you have withdrawal headaches?

      • SP

        Nope. But I wasn’t drinking that much really. Typically just a few Diet Cokes a day and occasionally a cup of coffee.

        Years ago when I worked for someone else in a high stress/long hours job, I drank gallons of coffee just to keep going.

    • IRBE

      I think the intermittent fast is very important, especially for people with digestive issues because it gives the digestive system time to heal. All that separates you from your food is one or 2 layers of cells in your GI tract, which regenerates every 3-5 days.

  8. Rhywun

    OT: Liverpool lets in 7 goals and there are still 15 minutes to go. Wakey, wakey!

    • Ted S.

      Poor Sloopy is going to be suicidal in the AM links tomorrow.

    • IRBE

      Hey Rhywun, Are you watching any of the French. I didn’t really appreciate how much slower the clay makes the play. Seems like more unforced errors, perhaps due to not having a clay season. Interesting contrast to USOpen.

      • Ted S.

        Poor Pie must be in mourning because of how Iga Świątek beat the everloving crap out of Halep. Svitolina might actually have a chance.

        And Djokovic keeps rolling along even though he should have been killed many times over from the coronavirus.

      • Rhywun

        Yeah, even though I don’t like the clay season. No replays and the umpire hopping down to argue over divots in the clay… so medieval. I heard of multiple matches that were lost because of wrong calls. Hard courts all the way.

      • Ted S.

        That’s only because you have absolute cretins like Pat McEnroe saying that if the computer guess disagrees with the physical mark left on court it can only be because the mark is wrong.

  9. Count Potato

    I’ve done fasts that were water only, juice only, and I’ve done that cayenne maple lemonade thing.

    The thing about fasts is go into and out of them gradually. Don’t go from three meals (or whatever) a day to nothing then suddenly back to full eating.

    • IRBE

      ^So much this, CP. It takes some time for your body to adjust. Once you get adapted to using your fat to provide energy, it is quite easy. I remember going on long hikes with water and power bars. Now I do those same hikes without either. I never bonk now. What is really weird is that when I am finished with a hike, first thing I do when I get home is go to the bathroom.

      My biggest problems after a fast is the break meal, sometimes they dont agree with me. I have found high protein is best for me. Eggs or steak but not too much, just to satiate. Other and too much food create havoc.

      • Count Potato

        At the time I was mostly vegetarian, so would usually break a fast with something plant based — usually raw salad with miso or tahini dressing. Also, usually at the end of the last day. Ironically, breakfast isn’t the best way to break a fast.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      CP, to translate your Q re The Times yesterday: “Only a plonker would call time on sozzled bonking” = Only a jerk would ban drunken sex. (call time on, as in ending pub drink orders for the night)

    • Gustave Lytton

      Nice use of the mold container for the unwary.

      • Sean

        Gf gets warned. I don’t wanna get shanked in my sleep.

  10. Sean

    I don’t do fasts.

    I weighed in maybe a lb over yesterday. It will disappear by tomorrow or Tuesday.

  11. Tundra

    Hi Chafed!

    Another stellar GlibFIt submission. I really do appreciate your efforts to make us healthy!

    First off, your musical selection is inspired. You receive the Tundra Stamp of Approval for that one.

    I haven’t done any really lengthy fasts. IRBE is your man on that. I do eat in a restricted window, though, usually 6-8 hours. After doing this for a long time, going 24 hours without food is easy.

    I love the fact that I don’t have to eat if the available options suck (i.e. travel). It also aids in keeping blood glucose more consistent and, since eating itself stimulates inflammation, eating fewer times per day keeps those events at a minimum. As I’ve said, though, I’m trying to become more intuitive about it. If I wake up starving, I eat. It just seems that my natural state is 16-18 hours of no food. I dig it.

    Another decent week this week. Numbers are still moving the right direction. My squats, while still pathetic, are starting to finally feel normal again!

    I am enjoying the beautiful fall weather, too. I got in just under nine leisurely miles this morning. A scene from my walk.

    And another.

    Have a great week this week GlibFitters.

    • Chafed

      You are welcome Tundra. I had a feeling you would like the music.

    • IRBE

      Extending past your typical feeding times or window provides the body with some stress. Intermittent stress is not bad IMO because it gives you resiliency and helps you cope which gives you confidence and probably helps with dealing with the constant stressors in your life.

      We have become too comfortable. I like the saying: “Get comfortable..being uncomfortable.”

      Love your pictures; very comforting…

      • Tundra

        Excellent points about stressors. It’s why saunas and cold therapy are so effective.

        Glad you liked the pics. I sent them to my son in CO and he was wistful.

        Briefly. ?

      • Count Potato

        What’s cold therapy? Is that just living in Minnesota?

      • Tundra

        Well, yeah.

        It’s why we are so resiliant.

    • IRBE

      October surprise! Heads; we close, tails; we don’t open. It was a really tough call but safety first!

    • Ted S.

      What’s with the fucking autoplay?

    • Chafed

      It’s not going to make a bit of difference. The Hasidic community is going to do what it’s going to do. DeBlasio can’t change that short of mass arrests.

      The virus is going to run its course. In three weeks the numbers will be back down.

    • Gustave Lytton

      It’s not even city wide. It’s nine zip codes. If restaurants are the problem, what does he think those diners will do? Just stay at home or go to restaurants in other zip codes that are open?

      • Chafed

        I don’t believe DeBlasio can think. He can react. He can guess. He can asdume. But thinking is beyond his capability.

      • Sean

        And then he gets to shutdown the areas still open!

    • Rhywun

      Fun with spreadsheets.

  12. l0b0t

    I saw someone here mention intermittent fasting, so I tried a 5pm – 11am window of no solids. Working overnights at a grocery store, I only lasted a couple days. I’m 6 feet tall and 165 pounds but this year I’ve been sublimating all of my woes in substance abuse and rich foods, so my gut has topped my belt and I’m disgusted by it.

    • westernsloper

      my gut has topped my belt and I’m disgusted by it.

      I got used to it. I am always disgusted with myself though.

    • Chafed

      Funny if true.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Why no social distance in the front? Cause they have the beer cooler. People still are funny in twitter from time to time.

      • Mojeaux

        They do that at outdoor festivals here. They have “pods” marked out properly socially distanced. So you come with your group and you all stay in a pod. That picture looks like he’s got pods marked out and who knows how far back it goes. Still, that’s sparse, even for podding.

  13. SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

    I’m interested in (religious) fasting, but have never done it. I have a hard enough time with the basics that doing something like fasting hasn’t ever really gotten off of the back burner.

    • Chafed

      Are you a member of the tribe Trashy?

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I’m (((25%))) and I went to [[[prom]]], but I’m just a generic protestant.

      • Chafed

        I’m a bit confused. I’m unaware of fasting being part of Protestant religious observance. What did I miss?

      • Raven Nation

        It’s not built in like it is in judaism but it’s a respected spiritual discipline.

      • Chafed

        Thanks

      • Ownbestenemy

        It generally isn’t except in prayer and never spoken of as it relates to Matthew 6:17

        If I remember from my high school dating locale (generic evangelical church)

      • Mojeaux

        IME, protestants view it as emulating Christ’s 40 days in the desert.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        It’s one of those “do it if you want” things for most protestants. I’m a bit of a weird protestant, so I often focus on things that most evangelicals haven’t even heard of (*suppresses rant about the unthinking religion that is modern evangelicalism*). Most of the lay protestants I’ve talked with about fasting have been dismissive of the idea. Most of the seminary trained protestants are regretful that they don’t fast more than they do. (*suppresses another rant about the poor knowledge transfer between the clergy and the lay in evangelical churches*)

      • Mojeaux

        You know, now that I’m thinking about it, the Baptists I went to school with would have equated a spiritual fast with Eastern practices (Buddhism, Shinto, various martial arts), and Eastern practices were considered Satanic.

        (You can imagine my shock when I went to BYU and noted martial arts in the PE schedule.)

      • Raven Nation

        Same with meditation.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        the Baptists I went to school with would have equated a spiritual fast with Eastern practices

        I’ve attended a Baptist church in the past. Heck, I met my wife at a Baptist church.

        I’ve also attended that kind of Baptist church, and it’s an experience. Around here, Church of Christ is that way, too. I have no patience for the do gooders who tut-tut stuff because “it’s in the Bible somewhere”. Nothing gets my dander up faster.

      • But Enough About My Wild Culinary Fantasies

        Huh. The Bible College I attended was a Baptist one (NABGC [North American Baptist General Conference], used to be called the “German Baptists”). Not only was fasting not considered “other,” but neither was meditation (there’s lots of Christian mystics throughout the last 2,000 years or so who’ve practised various forms of meditation, some notables from Germanic countries). And of course, none of the German Baptists had a problem with drinking beer, although teens/early-20-somethings from other denominations who studied at this college were variously puzzled or scandalised by the light quaffing of a beer from time-to-time.
        It was an interesting four years, I’ll give it that.

      • Mojeaux

        Same with meditation.

        Yes, I was going to mention that specifically and then figured “Eastern practices” covered everything.

        Prayer can be meditative, but I’ve never been in a Baptist service that in any way preached that prayer was talking AND listening. You were just talking at God and telling him what you want and what to do.

        To be fair, while [[[we]]] emphasize listening, there’s not a whole lot of practical instruction that can be given except “just listen.” To what?

        Meditation seems to be a better descriptor of what prayer probably should be more of.

      • Mojeaux

        that kind of Baptist church … Church of Christ

        Church of Christ is more nitpicky than Southern Baptist, and that’s about all we’ve got around here. If there’s a significant number of “Northern” Baptists around here, I don’t know about it.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        never been in a Baptist service that in any way preached that prayer was talking AND listening.

        The closest message I’ve heard on that topic was “how do you expect to hear God if you don’t have any silence time” (and they went out of their way to call it “Christian meditation”)

        Bill Hybels wrote a book on the topic that was one of the catalysts to my conversion.

      • CPRM

        just talking at God and telling him what you want and what to do.

        This is one of the exercises of modern christianity that irks me. God isn’t a fairy godmother, prayer shouldn’t be, IMO, asking God to give to you or do for you.

      • Mojeaux

        As an Assembly of God member told me once when we were discussing tithes, “God isn’t a vending machine.”

        That said, I once did beg for a miracle and got it, so what do I know?

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        God isn’t a fairy godmother

        This is why I try to pray in the ACTS style. Adoration, Contrition, Thanksgiving, Supplication, in that order.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Joel Osteen would like a word.

  14. Gustave Lytton

    I’ve noticed as I’ve gotten older that unplanned fasting, like being too busy to stop for a meal or forgetting to pack a lunch, leads to more noticeable swings than it did when I was younger.

    Raised as an RC with parents that grew up pre-V2 so while the requirements had changed, the intent was still there. As a kid, fasting wasn’t as applicable but my dad would do it regularly on historic fast days. Still kept to meatless Fridays outside of lent most of the time.

    • Raven Nation

      Growing up Church of England in Australia we did meatless Fridays. But since that usually meant fish and chips us kids didn’t complain.

    • grrizzly

      Do many American Catholics fast during Lent? Religious fasting became a rather popular thing among Russians who embraced Orthodox Christianity in the last several decades. Especially among women of a certain age and older, like my aunt.

    • IRBE

      What I noticed when I starting fasting (circa 2017) is the return of hunger pangs that I had as a yute. After I got out of uni, I don’t think I missed a meal for like 25 yrs. I thought those pains were hormonal, then but I was just hungry. They have really drilled into us that you need 3 meals a day and if you don’t have water for 3 days you are going to die.

  15. Derpetologist

    Longest fast I ever did was about 18 hours I guess. I was curious to see how it felt. I was raised Mormon and fasted from the time I woke up to sunset a couple of times.

    Fun fact: Eritrea has the world’s highest rate of fasting

    ***
    Followers fast during the 60 day Lenten period. No dairy products, meats or eggs are eaten. For the rest of the year, and for those adhering strictly to religious doctrine, Wednesdays and Fridays are observed as “minor” fasting days. Abstinence from dairy products, meat and eggs is practiced but fish can be eaten.
    ***

    No wonder they’re all skinny over there.

    Plenty of good GlibFit news for me. I’m down 4 pounds from my highest weight in the past 5.5 years. Today also marks 29 days of me being booze free. A new exercise I tried today- pick up a dumbbell with both hands and lift it up to my shoulder. Heaviest one I did today was 115 pounds; goal is 150. That should help me lift the heavier atlas stone. I can lift 145 lb one but not the 175 pound one.

    On the diet front, I’ve mostly narrowed it down to cheese, yogurt, olives, nuts, eggs, fish, jerky, and V8 juice. I want to phase out the jerky even though it has a lot of iron. I think I will replace it with baked beans. I haven’t eaten at any fast food places in a week. Trying to cut back on caffeine too.

    When I can’t get to the gym, I have a home workout where I wear 67 lbs of weights plus 50 pounds in my hands. I do curls, presses, squats, and lunges until I feel the burn. It wears me out quickly.

    • Mojeaux

      Hey I didn’t know you started out as one of [[[us]]]!

      • Derpetologist

        I started out Mormon and slowly became non-religious.

        You could say I went from Latter-Day Saint to Latter-Day Ain’t.

        Glenn Beck went from drunk to Mormon and I went the opposite direction.

      • Mojeaux

        If I ever left the church, I would not go find another one, except perhaps the Church of Arrowhead.

      • Rhywun

        lol

    • Mojeaux

      I want to phase out the jerky even though it has a lot of iron.

      Unless it’s homemade, jerky also has a lot of nitrites and other inflammatory chemicals.

      • Raven Nation

        There’s a few brands that don’t have added nitrites.

  16. Tres Cool

    Before it’s too late- obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33YXv85PNx0

    Also, my Ben-girls akshually won a game.

    Topical- based on what Ive been doing for work for the past month or so, Ive cut 8 lbs.

    • IRBE

      ..hold that Bengal tiger…onto victory. Blind squirrel..meet acorn.

  17. CPRM

    I did a 72 hr fast in college (only water), for reason other to see if I could do it. My friends didn’t care that I wasn’t eating, they did get upset I wouldn’t drink with them. On the third day I got a care package from aunt filled with home made cookies, that made the last day a bit tougher.

  18. But Enough About My Wild Culinary Fantasies

    During the four years I attended Bible College as a yute, once a year, every year, always in the early Fall, a bunch of us would fast for an entire week. We were allowed nothing that had calories in it — black coffee and/or tea was fine, but no sugar or cream/whitener. Water of course, and anything else that was empty of calories. Thus (for example) no broths of any kind.
    When you’re between 18-22 years old, this wasn’t a very big deal. It’s unlikely I could do it now without some serious sequelae. The one thing I do remember that was puzzling: even after a full week, I was still farting (as was everyone else). To this day I don’t understand that.

  19. Derpetologist

    Some more GlibFit inspiration

    ***
    Kenichi Horie (Japan) set a pedal-boating distance record of 7,500 km (4,660 miles) when crossing the Pacific Ocean between Honolulu, Hawaii, USA and Naha, Okinawa, Japan from 30 October 1992 to 17 February.
    ***

    ***
    In 1962, at the age of 23, Horie became the third person to make a solo crossing of the Pacific Ocean, the second being the Briton Brian Platt, who crossed in a Hong Kong built junk called High Tea from Japan to California between 20 September and 25 December 1959 [2] Leaving Nishinomiya, Japan on May 12,[3] in 94 days (on August 11) he arrived in San Francisco, California, U.S. aboard a 19-foot (5.8 m) sailboat called the Mermaid. He arrived with no passport or money and was promptly arrested. Despite Horie’s best effort to legally depart from Japan, because of lack of precedent for international travel on a small sailboat, he was not able to obtain a passport, or an adequate amount of foreign currency. After learning of his voyage the mayor freed him and gave him a 30-day visa, and he was awarded the key to the city.
    ***

    ***
    Horie has made numerous solo voyages:

    In 1974, he circumnavigated from east to west, and in 1978 he circumnavigated from north to south. In 1985, he sailed a solar boat from Hawaii to Chichijima. From 1992 to 1993, he sailed from Hawaii to Okinawa in a pedal powered boat. In 1996, Horie sailed from Salinas, Ecuador to Tokyo in a solar boat made of recycled aluminum. This crossing covered 10,000 miles (16,000 km) in 148 days which earned the Guinness World Record for the fastest crossing of the Pacific in a solar-powered boat. The Malt’s Mermaid is on display at Kotohira-gū Shrine in Shikoku, close to the main hall.

    In 1999, he sailed from San Francisco to Japan aboard a boat made primarily from recycled materials. The boat, Malt’s Mermaid II, designed by Kennosuke Hayashi, was a 32.8-foot (10.0 m) long, 17.4-foot (5.3 m) wide, catamaran constructed from 528 beer kegs welded end-to-end in five rows. Horie joked that 500 of them were empty. The rigging consisted of two side-by-side masts with junk rig sails made from recycled plastic bottles. This boat is on display in Okura Beach, Akashi.

    In 2002, Horie sailed from Nishinomiya to San Francisco aboard the Mermaid III, which was a replica of the original Mermaid constructed from a variety of recycled materials, including whiskey barrels for the hull, aluminum cans for the mast and plastic soda bottles for the sails.
    ***

  20. EvilSheldon

    Today I met my buddy Dave at the range, for some serious dedicated pistol mini-red-dot testing.

    TLDR – pistol MRDs are the heat. You owe it to yourself to try one out. Bigger dots are better.

    Today I was shooting my test gun, a Gen5 Glock 34 MOS with a Holosun HS507C-V2. It’s a neat little open-emitter red dot with a bunch of cool features – motion activation, adaptive reticle brightness, multiple reticles including an ultra-fast 32MOA circle / 2MOA dot, and an estimated 50k hour battery life.

    Dave wanted to work on his draw from the holster, so after a few shots confirming our zeros, we jumped right in to three of Gabe White’s technical skills tests. For those who don’t know about Gabe White, go here, and sign up for a class if Gabe is anywhere in your area. The dude is a savant, both at shooting and teaching.

    Anyway, I use Gabe’s technical skills tests as core practice drills. Dave and I shot the Bill Drill, the Failure to Stop (aka the Mozambique drill), and the Immediate Incapacitation (aka Two to the Dome) five times each, applying penalties as usual. My results were:

    Bill Drill (from the holster, six rounds to the body) – Average w/ penalties 2.01 sec, best clean run 1.92 sec. Just a hair under Turbo speed.
    Failure to Stop (from the holster, two rounds to the body, then one to the head) – Average w/ penalties 1.70 sec, best clean run 1.66 sec. Turbo speed!
    Immediate Incapacitation (from the holster, two rounds to the head) – Average w/ penalties 1.89 sec, best clean run 1.81 sec. Also Turbo speed!

    This is really good performance for me. I’m a pretty good pistol shooter by most standards, but I also haven’t been practicing much at all this year, and this was my first time shooting a MRD-sighted pistol ever. I found the huge circle-dot reticle to be easy to pick up and easy to track across multiple targets. No malfunctions of any kind were recorded.

    The cost of making the switch to micro red dots is not inconsiderable – I paid $620 for a pair of Holosun HS507C-V2s, and then you’ll need to pay for the slide milling if your gun isn’t already set up for a dot, possibly a new holster, etc., etc… But, the performance boost was measurable and real. It’s worth checking out.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Dammit. I’ve been hearing more and more good things about RDOs on pistols.

      I’m still emotionally back in the iron sights are good enough on a rifle, let alone pistols, stage because that’s what I “grew up with” (even if I logically understand and have used RDOs on long guns).

    • Gustave Lytton

      The Adidas top seals the deal for me.

      • Gustave Lytton

        He teaches classes at Clackamas, too?

        /running out of excuses

      • EvilSheldon

        Gabe runs the private side of Clackamas, last I heard. And yeah, he loves him some Adidas.

  21. R C Dean

    “TLDR – pistol MRDs are the heat. You owe it to yourself to try one out. Bigger dots are better.”

    Finally got the back ordered mount, now waiting on my 13 MOA Trijicon to arrive. I can hardly wait. That Holosun was my second choice, but, man, no batteries on a self defense gun . . . .

    • R C Dean

      Clicked too soon. I love the two eyes open, dot floating in space thing. For a handgun, it should be the tits. I plan to drill mounting/dry firing the pistol so I don’t have to hunt around for the dot, which seems like the biggest drawback.

    • EvilSheldon

      The no-batteries-on-a-self-defense-gun thing was out of date twenty years ago. Nowadays? The increased performance completely overwhelms the tiny bit of extra maintenance you might have to do to keep your guns ready. The expected battery life on the HS507 is 50,000 hours on brightness 6 – that’s 5.7 years. I put a new battery in all my optics on the first day of Autumn, and it’s all good.

      I’m still a little apprehensive about the durability of the MRDS compared to irons, but that’s really more a concern for soldier types who might get blown up. I’ll keep an eye on it (I did get two identical optics for good reason) but I think the Holosun will be durable enough to handle my level of abuse (brawling in the strip club parking lot.)

      • Count Potato

        Brawling in the strip club parking lot?

        You could do iron and a laser.

      • EvilSheldon

        Really I could do BJJ lessons too, but I like shooting too much…

  22. Gustave Lytton

    Perfect fall day. Dry with a cool crispness in the air. Getting leaves cleaned up in between glibbing. Corned beef for dinner.

    • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

      A pair of ribeyes are going on the grill in 30 minutes or so. Tomorrow, I start a diet & exercise journal in an attempt to reduce the emotional swings biased towards focusing on the days that weren’t great. I think that simply jotting down what I eat and when will give me something to lean back on when I have a couple bad days in a row.

      I’m also 6 weeks away from trashbaby #2’s arrival, and want to harvest that little burst of energy that comes from eating a clean, tight, low-carb diet for a few weeks.

      • Surly Knott

        If you have an iOS or Android device, I recommend mySymptoms. It’s overkill for your stated needs, but works very well. I use it to track my IBS and it’s been helpful, but even just as a food & drink tracker, it’s great.
        IIRC, it’s free, and not laden with annoying ads.

    • westernsloper

      I am having grilled chicken thighs under leftover linguine and clam/mussel sauce. I walked past the frozen fish section at the grocer a hundred times and looked at the frozen mussels. They finally dropped the price and I grabbed a few boxes. They were not nearly as good as fresh but whatev’s, and they only slightly poisoned me.

      • Don escaped Duopoly

        NewWife has started the first soup of the season: chicken chili. I’m still wearing shorts, but I’m ready.

  23. grrizzly

    DoorDash has just left a McD food delivery package on my porch–that I didn’t order. A delivery person rang the door bell but they were already gone by the time I walked to the door. How long should I keep the bag untouched on the porch?

    • Gustave Lytton

      Until the bag stops moving on it’s own.

    • TARDis

      I confess we have had Wendy’s delivered a time or two, but McD?

      Charcoal lighter fluid and light it up. It’s the only way to be sure.

    • westernsloper

      Depends, have you eaten yet or not?

    • Ted S.

      Does it say who ordered it?

    • grrizzly

      And the bag is gone. Just when I decided to check what’s inside.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Now you have to figure it out.

        Time to call the Scooby Doo Gang.

  24. Derpetologist

    suggested music: Dare To Be Stupid

    Pope: Market capitalism has failed in pandemic, needs reform
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pope-market-capitalism-has-failed-in-pandemic-needs-reform

    ***
    “The fragility of world systems in the face of the pandemic has demonstrated that not everything can be resolved by market freedom,” he wrote. “It is imperative to have a proactive economic policy directed at ‘promoting an economy that favours productive diversity and business creativity’ and makes it possible for jobs to be created, and not cut.”

    He denounced populist politics that seek to demonize and isolate, and called for a “culture of encounter” that promotes dialogue, solidarity and a sincere effort at working for the common good.

    As an outgrowth of that, Francis rejected the concept of an absolute right to property for individuals, stressing instead the “social purpose” and common good that must come from sharing the Earth’s resources. He repeated his criticism of the “perverse” global economic system, which he said consistently keeps the poor on the margins while enriching the few — an argument he made most fully in his 2015 landmark environmental encyclical “Laudato Sii” (Praised Be).

    Francis also rejected “trickle-down” economic theory as he did in the first major mission statement of his papacy, the 2013 Evangelii Gaudium, (The Joy of the Gospel), saying it simply doesn’t achieve what it claims.

    “Neo-liberalism simply reproduces itself by resorting to magic theories of ‘spillover’ or ‘trickle’ — without using the name — as the only solution to societal problems,” he wrote. “There is little appreciation of the fact that the alleged ‘spillover’ does not resolve the inequality that gives rise to new forms of violence threatening the fabric of society.”
    ***

    I do not know whether to [Kif sigh], [Zoidberg groan], or [head desk].

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Shorter Francis: It’s all very complicated to be rich and be moral. Give it to us and let us handle it for you.

      Fuck off Frank

      • Derpetologist

        It’s really great when a guy in a priceless gold-embroidered silk robe and a jewel-encrusted hat denounces materialism from the balcony of his gigantic palace.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        The best thing I can hope for the catholic church is that they use this pope as one of those bad popes that kicks off a massive bout of internal reflection and change. This was a failed experiment, and they need to use the opportunity to clean house of those who forced the experiment to be conducted.

        In reality, I doubt they learn a single thing from this, except how populist socialist wealth envy is.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Of all the countries, they had to pick an Argentinian.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        He’s looking to align the church’s interests with that of global government in order to achieve protection for their assets and income across the world.

        There’s no religious reason for him to promote the UN under any circumstances, so this is purely financial (and possibly existential due to economic/political pressures) in nature.

      • Derpetologist

        Holy shit – there was a pope with a pet white elephant:

        ***
        Hanno (Italian: Annone; c. 1510 – 8 June 1516) was the pet white elephant given by King Manuel I of Portugal to Pope Leo X (born Giovanni de’ Medici) at his coronation. Hanno, an Asian elephant, came to Rome in 1514 with the Portuguese ambassador Tristão da Cunha and quickly became the Pope’s favorite animal. Hanno died two years later from complications of a treatment for constipation with gold-enriched laxative.[1]
        ***

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanno_(elephant)

      • hayeksplosives

        My pet elephant feels a little bound up.

        I know! I’ll feed it gold! That will help it shit.

      • Derpetologist

        Hey, they had all the extra gold lying around, might as well use it for something.

        Gold laxatives for the pope’s pet elephant – that’s a perfect premise for a SugarFree story.

        Holy Dumbo and the Golden Turd

    • hayeksplosives

      “It is imperative to have a proactive economic policy directed at ‘promoting an economy that favours productive diversity and business creativity’ and makes it possible for jobs to be created, and not cut.”

      lolwhut?

      That is a load of doublespeak. From a guy who wears embroidered slippers outside the house. SMDH.

    • Suthenboy

      Commie pope vomits up the same commie gibberish we have been hearing for 200 years. Huh. Shocking.

      • TARDis

        ^^^
        Beat me to it.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        It’s the same exact emotional appeal that you get from the “smash capitalism” types, just cleaned up to feel higher brow.

        OK, commie pope, gimme an alternative that doesnt result in men with guns hauling undesirables off to gulag.

      • hayeksplosives

        Lighten up, Francis.

        Seriously, why did Ratzenburger retire? Just tired or was he squeezed out by commies and pedophiles?

        I’m not Catholic but Papa Ratzie did seem to be a good guy.

      • Derpetologist

        They just make Mel Gibson pope. He got 50 million people to watch a movie about Jesus.

      • Suthenboy

        The Nazi pope? I knew a guy, now deceased, who served with Ratzinger in the Wehrmacht. His opinion of Ratzinger was that the guy was a political animal and had the typical character of such.
        If someone can claw their way to the top of the RCC they are not someone you want to turn your back on.

      • Derpetologist

        Wiki sez

        ***
        In 1943, when he was 16, Joseph Ratzinger was drafted with many of his classmates into the Luftwaffenhelfer program. They were posted first to Ludwigsfeld, north of Munich, as part of a detachment responsible for guarding a BMW aircraft engine plant.

        On 20 November 1944, his unit was released from service. Joseph Ratzinger again returned home. After three weeks passed, he was drafted into the German army at Munich and assigned to the infantry barracks in the center of Traunstein, the city near which his family lived. After basic infantry training, he served at various posts around the city with his unit. They were never sent to the front. In late April or early May, shortly before Germany’s surrender, he deserted.

        When the Americans arrived in the village, “I was identified as a soldier, had to put back on the uniform I had already abandoned, had to raise my hands and join the steadily growing throng of war prisoners whom they were lining up on our meadow. It especially cut my good mother’s heart to see her boy and the rest of the defeated army standing there, exposed to an uncertain fate…”[
        ***

        Doesn’t sound like an enthusiastic soldier or Nazi to me.

      • Suthenboy

        A politician.

        According to my buddy Werner ‘guarding a BMW aircraft engine plant’ meant carrying ammo to the AA guns for the younger soldiers. He claimed they shot down American aircraft by the hundreds. He was also part of the group that Ratzinger surrendered with. He claimed that upon interrogation he and others told the truth but were kept for several months as prisoners. Ratzinger lied his ass off and was released in a few days.

        Mind y ou, this is all second hand info.

    • Suthenboy

      What is the false positive/false negative rate on those rapid tests? 40+%?

      Seems prudent to wait for a second test result.

  25. Don escaped Duopoly

    There were a good dozen or more sukkah erected in my parents’ neighborhood 20 years ago. I don’t see any anymore, but there could be a couple that just aren’t obvious from the street. The demographics haven’t changed so much as observance has.

  26. Derpetologist

    Jacobin scores an own goal:

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/10/abraham-lincoln-illinois-elections-tax-the-rich

    ***
    The Revenue Act of 1861, signed by President Abraham Lincoln in August of that year, levied a 3 percent tax on all incomes over $800 — a threshold that, at the time, affected only the richest 3 percent of all Americans. The following year, Lincoln and Congress passed a subsequent income tax bill that included a graduated rate. Prior to these laws, the government had collected revenue primarily through tariffs on goods which essentially served as a flat tax, impacting all Americans the same regardless of their income level. Now, the United States had established the first progressive income tax in its history.

    It worked, even if the rich weren’t happy about it. The war persisted until the spring of 1865, but the income tax secured enough resources to ensure the North’s ultimate victory and the destruction of the scourge of slavery in the United States. While the federal income tax wasn’t officially adopted in the US Constitution until ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913, Lincoln’s gambit paved the way for fulfilling the “revolutionary principle” of soaking the wealthy to benefit the collective good.
    ***

    Ah yes, collective good like the subjugation of the Lakota and Apache.

    ***
    Today, with the country again plunged in crisis, voters in Lincoln’s native state of Illinois have an opportunity through a ballot initiative in the November election to embrace the Great Emancipator’s vision and finally adopt a progressive income tax to replace the state’s flat tax — the plutocrat’s dream taxation system that currently impinges upon all residents equally, no matter their ability to pay.
    ***

    What could be more unfair than holding everyone to the same standard, hm?

    [head desk]

    • Suthenboy

      The same people pushing this are the ones who have stolen and squandered every penny they could get their hands on and plunged the state into insolvency?
      The only solution is give them more money.

      At some point I wish idiot voters would learn that the only solution is to starve the beast.