Its been said here repeatedly, “they could never make that show again today”. Its true, there are a number of old TV shows and movies that are considered offensive today. Except the list of offensive shows going through your head right now, probably wasn’t marketed directly to children.
This is my review of Mother Road Brewing Lost Highway Black IPA:
The show I am thinking about is Ren and Stimpy. The cable network, Nickelodeon, originally aired it along with two other original shows, Doug and Rugrats, as it was moving away from being a channel that only airs reruns of Looney Tunes. The difference being, the other two cartoons actually are meant for children.
It is a story of a Chihuahua named Ren, and his fat feline pal named Stimpy. Stimpy is a bit loopy and naive and often is the one coming up with the twisted plot device. Ren resembles a crackhead, and his temperament going between extremes adds to the perception of chronic drug use between the two. I do not recall an instance of drug use in the show.
The show’s creator apparently got the idea by looking at a picture of a Chihuahua in a sweater…
“It’s a very funny picture,” Kricfalusi said, “because here’s a psychotic looking monster in a cute sweater.” That same ferociousness coming from an unlikely animal informed the character of Ren from day one.
If you want to judge the entire show based on a single clip, let it be this one. H/T: Stinky Wizzleteats.
I am happy to announce they are bringing it back(!) but I am not terribly excited about it.
Because I am an adult? No. Because the show’s creator will not be participating. Two years ago he was accused of sexual abuse in a documentary produced by Buzzfeed. The guy was straight up, being a Biden.
He was also on heroin. I imagine the reboot will be like Stone Temple Pilots after Scott Weiland dealt with his heroin addiction: an uninteresting shell of its former self.
What is interesting is this beer. Unlike most IPA it actually balances both the extremes in one. It is very hoppy, but it also takes the extreme of burnt coffee, so it actually does appeal to me. Then there is the 8% abv part…Don’t drink them all before operating machinery. Mother Road Brewing Lost Highway Black IPA: 3.9/5
I’ve mentioned it before, but I’m always happy to have an excuse to mention my pride in having stuffed Ren & Stimpy dolls that fart when you squeeze them.
I missed R & S and by the time South Park was hot my hearing was so bad I couldn’t understand what people were raving about.
My dog would rip their squeek right out of their fart holes. His favorite pastime is destroying squeeky toys.
Mine too. Those toys have a very short life exoectancy.
What I always find strange is the number of parents that will let their teenage daughter go hang out with a middle-aged cartoonist in a different city.
9h Grade Girl to Mom: “Why can’t I have sex, all the other kids in my class are?”
+1 rainbow party
I have enough trouble getting red, let alone roy g big.
Richard of York gave battle in gimp?
Biv not big. Hey, wait a minute….
Biv
Kind of like the parents who were willing to legally make Steven Tyler their teenaged daughter’s “guardian” so she could go on tour with Aerosmith. Parents of the millennium right there.
I think they forgot something
https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/jcul05/oddly_satisfying/
Never watched Ren and Stimpy. I was married with two kids and working lots of overtime while my younger coworkers were totally enamored with the show. Never got in any of the adult cartoons.
The sit coms of the last 25 years or so aren’t funny either. My attention span is so short I watch a few minutes of Fox news at 5 o’clock and fall asleep. Never watch a big 3 network.
My dad was always railing about the wokeness of Norman Lear and Alan Alda.
Sis?
Bro?
Lear tried so hard to make Archie Bunker the bad guy.
Alda was a sensitive beta male. IT WASN’T A CHICKEN!
Supposedly, Lear was horrified that most viewers loved Archie and watched the show because they identified with him.
I’m not sure if I totally buy that, though, because it’s not as if Meatheaf isn’t portrayed as a dummy most of the time. Of course, Lear’s beliefs are no mystery, but even allowing for that I think there is more nuance to the show than a lot of people believe.
It was the first show on TV to feature a toilet on the set.
My dad also railed against his attempt to get people to accept social morés he didn’t like.
#$%^&*() I have written two lengthy responses here both of which got swallowed by some odd glitch. short version this time. The 60s left was based around coalition building because their goal of absolute control enforcing equality had appeal at atime when there were significant controls imposed in the opposite direction so normal people would join them in opposing actual oppression of women, gay people, and black people. The modern left is based around enforced ideological indoctrination because there is no longer actual oppression of minority groups, so at this point the needle can only move toward equality by force, and that does not appeal to anyone outside their ideological purity.
My rule with M.A.S.H. – If Wayne Rodgers in, watch. If not, pass.
M*A*S*H didn’t age well for me. It’s mostly the laugh track, which makes it intolerable.
My Dad used to complain that the show had been on three times longer than the actual war. It was one of those shows my Mom loved that tended to annoy him. Another was The West Wing. He said Martin Sheen thought he was actually President.
It was good for about 3 years, which is how long that war was.
Same here. I’d catch a Simpsons when I could, though Sunday nights were usually too busy for TV. And South Park when it came out later. Eventually got a TIVO and that made it easy to keep up with a few shows, but for the most part, with a bunch of little kids & work, there just wasn’t time to watch much TV.
I have never seen one episode of South Park.
Never? Oddly enough, you are simultaneously missing nothing, and everything at the same time.
That’s the idea I get.
Like Rick and Morty.
I started in on Rick & morty recently. Part amusing, part gratuitous. I don’t really get the love for it. Granted, I’m only 8 episodes in.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick’s existential catchphrase “Wubba Lubba Dub Dub,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. ?
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid ?
Did you mean “personal”?
And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
So nobody’s seen your tattoo because their IQs are too high.
No, I think he’s trying to pull a funny.
The best comedy works on multiple levels, and Rick & Morty does that.
Frank has a point, though, the fans can be very annoying. You have the smart idiots he’s parodying, and then you have the over-analysists, who try to find hidden meaning in every tiny little thing.
So you are saying Rick and Morty is just like Archer? Do you want ants?
So you are saying Rick and Morty is just like Archer?
I stopped short of calling it the love child of Archer and Futurama in my last comment, but I think its mostly accurate (if a bit too complementary).
Trashy – I had a co-worker really work on me to watch R&M, so I recorded the series. Season 1 is definitely slow/uneven, 2 picks up and 3 is kicking ass.
I think I’ve seen a couple episodes – probably on Youtube when linked by somebody. I suppose I “get” it but it’s not that important to me.
In the links I’ve been sent, their voices grate. That’s why I haven’t bothered.
South Park could be really stupid or truly great, depending on the episode.
They did jump the woke shark a bit; I haven’t watched since.
I recommend the classics. You should see the episode on Scientology.
Not the Mormon episode?
I liked the Mormon episode. The ending put the brutal mockery in perspective.
The Burning Man one was the second best treatment of Burning Man (Malcolm in the Middle being far and away the absolute best).
King of the Hill.
Watch it.
^^
The Oblongs.
Yes!
I never got into it but that could be timing. I was busy with work/school/just out of school and more work during that period.
I missed Buffy and most of the 90s and 00s. Oh, and 10s. I just miss everything. I’m watching stuff from 10 years ago (Big BangTheory, originally thinking they’re new (fashion hasn’t changed much; that’s usually how I can tell). “Oh, they’re from 2005? Geez. Not again.”
I screwed up my 1st attempt as using Zoom last night. I was well into my cups at my local brewery when I figured I would give it a shot. The live act was great so I quit Zoom to focus on him.
I never got into Ren and Stimpy, or Beavis and Butthead, or pretty much any ’90s(?) animation. It was all just a bunch of screeching, to me.
Tex Avery spoiled me.
I hated all of that, but South Park is hilarious.
My dad still, to this very day, quotes the Kowalski episode of R+S. He and my mom visited last weekend, he gave me two bags of summer bologna, and said “MEAT” in the signature voice.
My spousal unit watched R & S before my time. He still quotes from it, including such small things as imitating the sound of flies buzzing around to eat: “hulllzzz, hulllzz…”
I did, however, like Dangermouse.
Yes. And Duckula. Really excellent.
Thats COUNT Dukula.
Yes, your Lordship.
/Igor
No, COUNT Chocula.
And Frankenberry and Boo-Berry too.
Actually, all those cereals tasted like lab experiments to create flavors, and they had weird overly sweet yet bitter aftertastes. Do they still make them? I remember wanting to try them as a kid, but only needed one box of each to never ask for them again.
I think only the Cocula is year round, the others are seasonal releases.
One of the homebrew shops here did a competition for several years running called the Iron Brewer. Each team would bring their rig there, and then each team would get a different secret ingredient. One year one of them got Froot Loops, they also had a relative who worked for Kellogg’s and provided them a vial of the “froot” flavoring (since they weren’t getting enough from just the cereal addition in the mash).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB-Ckw_wnAU
I loved all that crap.
I just noticed that one of the (too) local newspapers has a “local democracy reporter”. It turns out that it’s an acutely Orwellian title. Apparently there are a lot of snitches, too.
Squirrels abound.
What is interesting is this beer. Unlike most IPA it actually balances both the extremes in one. It is very hoppy, but it also takes the extreme of burnt coffee, so it actually does appeal to me. Then there is the 8% abv part…Don’t drink them all before operating machinery. Mother Road Brewing Lost Highway Black IPA: 3.9/5
This sounds good.
One of my local breweries used to do Black Cowgirl Black Double IPA – I don’t think they’ve run a batch in a while though. It was amazing that the carmel kept the hops in check (particularly given the IBU).
Hey SP, it looks like the site’s cert may have expired. I got an “insecure connection” warning when I refreshed.
The cert is good until january 21, 2021.
Hmmm, I wonder why I’m getting the insecure connection message. Mobile Firefox doesn’t give me more info.
The issue date is right before midnight GMT today, though, so it’s possible trashy’s clock is off or the cert did not fully propagate to all the servers (though I haven’t seen any errors yet).
Rebooting the browser fixed it, so twas an issue on my side.
Couldn’t connect because of insecurity?
Story of my life, bro.
The web was just telling you to feel bad about yourself.
They don’t need to tell me twice.
*gets the razor blades out*
Don’t forget to bang then on the curb and soak it in a rain barrel.
Put your lunch pail down next to the rain barrel so it doesn’t get knocked over.
I saw Kricfalusi give a talk at a college about 25 years ago. He said he got fired because Nickelodeon is run by “a bunch of liberal old ladies” who thought that George Liquor was “too Republican.”
I can’t help but assume this is still true.
I think Nickelodeon is run by pedos now.
Now?
The former stars of The Amanda Show and iCarly ask the same question.
I just realized, I haven’t seen a black IPA – on a taplist or in a store – in ages.
Always with the racist IPAs.
Are black IPAs extra bitter because of slavery?
The style peaked a while back, then subsided. They’re still around, just rare.
All drugs should be legal because it is important that our favorite musicians and cartoonists have a reliable supply of heroin and crack with which to destroy themselves for the sake of our entertainment, or something. In reality I’m pretty sure the supply of heroin and crack is pretty reliable to anywhere with even the merest hint of a market for it. We know that, of course, but I was trying to make some sort of #libertarianmoment out of this, even if it meant smashing that square peg into that round hole with a 10lb sledgehammer.
I had no idea about this guy’s endeavorance of perseverance into the carnal knowledge of teenage goils, or even what his name was, until today. I don’t think I’ve watched R&S since I was a lad.
You know whats been completely memoryholed since South Park? Duckman. What a classic piece of its time. Need to rewatch the full series on DVD.
What the hell are you looking at?
https://youtu.be/PsPBn2ykkmc
I scanned the comments for Duckman. If you hadn’t mentioned it, I was going to. The Oriffice Depot joke still makes laugh when getting supplies.
ENB doing ENB things…….
Elizabeth Nolan Brown
@ENBrown
a whole lotta “Ron Paul libertarians” were never libertarian in the first place
And it goes on in a predictable vein from there. Very droll to see this particular person sniffing about who isn’t a TruLibertarian.
Thank god we have gatekeepers like her to determine who is and is not a libertarian. She’s not worthy of shining Paul’s shoes, either one of them.
She’s factually correct, though in the opposite direction – a shit-ton of Ron Paul people switched to Bernie. It’s…difficult to fathom.
Of COURSE she’s talking about the ones who switched to Trump.
There is a slice of overlap in a venn diagram of the occupy movement (Sanders base) and the tea party (Paul’s base). Bpth were built around opposition to cronyism and the deep state. The problem is that the occupy types somehow think you solve cronyism by turning over all the money and power to the government, and solve the deep state by voting for people of color and women, because they will be pure.
Lemme guess. Pot, ass sex, Mexicans, and ritual baby sacrifice are the core pillars of libertarianism.
Who are the Mexicans of Carthage? Numidia?
Mexico delenda est?
From everything I’ve ever read of hers, prostitution is the bedrock of a free society.
I mean, I’m all in favor of legalizing prostitution. There’s no reason adults should be told that they are prohibited by law from doing whatever to their own bodies. However, I don’t find it to be the most pressing outrage against civil liberty out there, nor do I think prostitution is an objectively positive thing. I think that it is, in general, pretty sordid. I just don’t believe in outlawing things simply because I find them distasteful.
Remember when Planned Parenthood was “exposed” selling baby parts? ENB wrote an article essentially saying who cares anyway, because there is no reason they shouldn’t be put to good use.
This shit is why I find libertarian feminism to be so damn distasteful.
To they extent that they care about anything beyond abortion, it’s usually one of those “I guess I have to be in favor of legalizing this, but it’s slightly after privatizing National Parks on my priority list” issues like prostitution. Either that or you get the pomo SJW “70 cents on the dollar” bullshit from them.
I’d say decriminalizing prostitution, like drugs, is more pressing than given credit. It leads to overpolicing overcriminalization to many vice squads this all leads to pointless government expense more people in jail or with criminal records so probably more poverty. It leads to abuse for sexworker and increased stigma around the issues. It fuels the underworld and organized crime and police corruption which leads to more problems. Better to be in the open.
The Romanian is right.
It’s like in one of those old westerns when everyone thinks the kid is lying about something important, and the wise Indian steps forward and says “Wait! The boy speak the truth.”
“He says the sheriff is near!”
I agree more on the drugs than the prostitution. I don’t think there’d be enough support for vice squads and no knocks and k9 units and everything else of they were only going after hookers.
I’d put elimination of predatory traffic policing well above prostitution and drugs on the “improves policing” list.
prostitution is significant in all those things and has all sorts of collateral damage.
I’d put elimination of predatory traffic policing well above prostitution and drugs on the “improves policing” list. – I don’t see how this could be the case
I don’t see how this could be the case
It provides the pretext for millions of police interactions annually. How many of those interactions eventually result in rights violations?
yes but probably a less severe violence and imprisonment in those violations. and probably less collateral damage
yes but probably a less severe violence and imprisonment in those violations.
*queues up hours of video of people being shot, molested, arrested, beaten, having their stuff stolen, etc. during traffic stops*
Sorry, I just don’t buy it that prostitution is anywhere in the same ballpark as traffic stops when it comes to rights violation.
*queues up hours of video of people being shot, molested, arrested, beaten, having their stuff stolen, etc. during traffic stops* – how much is this fueled by the drug war?
how much is this fueled by the drug war?
Quite a bit, I’m sure. The point is that getting rid of the drug war doesn’t get rid of cops abusing traffic stops, but getting rid of cops abusing traffic stops ends one of the major fronts in the drug war.
Prostitution is not something I would ever do or pay for but should be as legal as any other one on one transaction that is allowed right now.
No, grubhub, I don’t need help finding out where to vote. Oh, and I’ll be taking my business elsewhere now.
A frightening place to be during an earthquake
This isn’t even a circular argument. He’s just babbling like a homeless guy.
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1319840711852904449
Is there a reporter in the world who would follow up with “tell where in the Constitution the Federal Government has this authority”?
It’s the “promoting the general welfare” clause.
Of course, redistribution doesn’t promote the general welfare, but that battle was lost long ago.
And it was never meant as a grant of power, but a restriction against what we now call pork barrel spending.
I wasn’t around for the rise of the cartoons for people past puberty (Simpsons, South Park, et al) because reasons. In 1988 I decided I was going to teach myself to read and write Japanese then prepare for a specific grad school before moving back to Japan.
Last week I was hanging out with a fellow traveler who also mastered Japanese as an adult and we agreed that for an adult to learn to read and write Japanese you had to force yourself to become “a man of focus, commitment, and sheer will.” Funny how that line from a movie best describes what it took.
So in 1988 I found it necessary to put down the “TV Guide” and start taking the steps that would get me to where I wanted to be. Maybe I lost one level of connection to others of my generation. If I did it is probably like being born blind – I don’t really have a concept for what that missing part is.
I can’t bring myself to learn another Western European language. I can’t imagine trying to learn an Asian language; no common ground to build on.
I guess that’s the point – your common ground is basic humanity and little else.
Whereas Tejicano is basically inhuman so has no difficulty picking up Asian languages? :-p
“Why settle for becoming a man when you can challenge yourself to become a Marine?”
/SSG Waide, US Marine Corps Recruiter, 1975
because hubris is unbecoming.
Sorry, I was just pointing out a tool used by recruiters on the average manchild pumped full of testosterone – and how that can leave a mark.
I can’t bring myself to learn English.
(Hit ‘reply’ too soon)
But then Japan has a garbled view of the West which has influenced it so picking through that framework of mangled ideas does give a few points of reference.
No love for Futurama? It’s like I don’t even know you people.
I will give you a Futurama “Hell yeah!”
I laugh out loud at Futurama. My wife shakes her head . But she gets confused by anything with a time machine element.
A few years ago I streamed the entire series start to finish, and really enjoyed it. It’s hilarious how there are several series finales.
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Good news, everyone!
American television hit its peak with Petticoat Junction. It’s been all downhill since then.
The peak was 80s Pyramid.
“all downhill since” prime time meant to include the kiddies. An adult “Petticoat Junction” would have been appreciated by a younger Fourscore
Didn’t you like the adult part in the opening credits where they sang,
Lotsa curves, you bet
Even more, when you get,
to the junction. Petticoat Junction!
And in the last part about the ‘curves’ you saw that the three lovely daughters were skinny dipping in the town’s water supply?
There were still some good sitcom writers after the turn of the 21st century: Arrested Development, Just Shoot Me, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, Brooklyn 99.
But I fear the Great aWokening has ended that. Nothing can just be funny anymore; there has to be a moral lesson taught to us dolts to the right of Che Guevara baked into each episode.
No. It was the weakest horse in that stable. Green Acres was the wonderfully surreal thoroughbred.
Misogynist.
But you had to love Edgar Buchanan as “Uncle Joe”. I wish he’d been my uncle, and we could have pranked Betty Jo together.
There is a slice of overlap in a venn diagram of the occupy movement (Sanders base) and the tea party (Paul’s base). Bpth were built around opposition to cronyism and the deep state. The problem is that the occupy types somehow think you solve cronyism by turning over all the money and power to the government, and solve the deep state by voting for people of color and women, because they will be pure.
Which brings us back to the difference between identifying a problem and designing an effective solution. The problem they see is legitimate, but their solutions will not make the problem anything but worse.
principles over principals. People can stumble into identifying real problems by loving and hating the right principals. It’s near impossible to solve those problems without coherent, realistic principles.
A lot of problems aren’t problems, barely make the inconvenience level. A lot more are conceived as a way to transfer responsibility away away from adults to the government, providing jobs for those with soc degrees.
South Park did get pretty woke, but I do have to give them points for a few episodes at the end of the “before times”. Their couple of episodes hitting the PRC hard in the face as the NBA was sucking Xi’s dick were pretty damn good. Good enough for the CCP to hit the show with the ban hammer.
PC Principal was a character I enjoyed being added.
The episode with the Macho Man chick was good.
The commercial real estate collapse has begun in the suburbs of Cleveland. This shopping center just opened in 2018.
Imagine owning office buildings.
My company just opened their shiny new 19-story headquarters in January 🙁
They opted to go for a long-term lease vs. building it themselves – I’m not sure what the better option was, given what’s going on now.
The parents of one of my daughter’s soccer teammates are a commercial real estate agent and a commercial construction manager. They seemed pretty positive about things, but I can’t imagine being in their position right now.
bUiLd BaCk BeTtEr
I mean it is Cleveland who cares really?
John D. Rockefeller. (It’s where he got his start)
That whole corridor of houses have collapsed into ruin, and the neighborhood around there isn’t much better.
Too local for you?
Someone has to stick up that hero. His family doesn’t do him justice.
yes. and nothing worth visiting I assume.
Nope. Just too many over-hopped beers, a small lake, and some good food.
and some good food. – lets not get into that again
Neph – did you tell him about the grilled cheese themed restaurant?
I’ve linked it enough.
I mean there are enough Romanian here to do an annual festival at a Romanian Orthodox Church, as well as a large number of other Eastern European immigrants here who brought their food and cuisine.
Eastern European immigrants here who brought their food and cuisine – that is not much of a benefit
Are the strip joints still in the flats or did they gentrify it. I always thought those were nice strip clubs.
There’s still one on the West Bank, but the East Bank gentrified (again, second rebuild in my adult life). You still have some in that no man’s land between the banks though.
Of course, I live around the corner from the Book Park strip of clubs.
Isn’t that cute.
6 year old me saw ren and stimpy for the first time in 1991 or 1992 and all the rules in all the books just didn’t matter anymore. I thought I was seeing the the funniest thing ever. I couldn’t get enough of it. I watched it every chance I could get. It went off the air in the mid 90s and I stopped thinking about it. Then they tried to reboot it with Kricfalusi in 2003 on spike and it was fucking terrible. Adult party cartoon. It just made red and stimpy a gay couple. That was the joke. No more subtlety. they’re gay and do butt stuff. I always assumed they were in an odd married relationship. Not that the new one will be any better. No more reboots or remakes. Come up with new stuff. I have the old ones on dvd and they’re still hilarious. Even better now that I’m older to get some more of the jokes. South Park was right when they said stuff needs to be protected from the people who made it.
Great name you have — I haven’t seen you posting here before. I love that song. Lowell George never wrote a bad tune.
Burl Ives, who essentially is who “Stinky Wizzleteats” is (the surreal quotes in the middle of the song are lines from his movies), when he found out about it, was upset. Not for being poked fun at, but because no one bothered to call him as he would have loved to have done the bit himself. He died a year or two after the cartoon aired.
My favorite story about things like that was for Wes Craven’s New Nightmare, Wes Craven didn’t think that Johnny Depp would be interested in doing a bit role in the movie, since his career had taken off. After the movie came out, Johnny Depp said he would have been glad to do it, since he got his start in the first Elm Street movie.
I didn’t know that. Might’ve been funny.
Not as funny as Jean-Claude Van Johnson, but still…
Robert Stack apparently had a lot of fun mocking his Hollywood persona in Airplane. Something like “when you haven’t been given a funny line in 30 years, it’s certainly a breath of fresh air when nothing you say is supposed to be taken seriously.”
I knew I heard “teach your grandmother to suck eggs” line before, I think it’s from a western with Gregory Peck.
One of my favourite books growing up was Earthfasts by William Mayne. Its main plot involved a drummer boy from hundreds of years ago who went into a cave to look for treasure and emerged in the twentieth century. There was a BBC adaptation, and it was in the canon of the sort of children’s fantasy books that J.K. Rowling wrote her pastiches of.
When I was too old to re-read it it came out that William Mayne used to use school reading events to facilitate his sexual assault of children. He went to prison for a bit, then died. His books are seemingly now completely out of print, though to be honest I’d still read them again.
The Frugal Gourmet is still a decent cookbook, no matter how many kids Jeff Smith molested, or whatever it was he did.
In principle I agree. The partial difference is that Mayne appears to have used his writing to get close to children in the first place, which makes it harder to separate art and artist.
A non-trivial plot point in The Magicians, both the books and the TV series.
While I really enjoy the Magicians TV series (the books weren’t bad, but I started with the show), it’s a really hard show to recommend to people because of how dark it is.
Ain’t that the truth.
I found the books more annoying than the TV series, largely because the main character was such a mopey git. Cloying and mopey doesn’t make for a fun read, for me anyway.
IIRC, the shows came out after the book trilogy was completed as well, which allowed for some better seeding of later story lines in the early seasons.
For those who are unaware, think Harry Potter, but magic school is a master’s level degree. So take a bunch of people in their early 20’s who are broken in different ways and give them magical powers. Then see how much more broken they can get. Be aware that there’s a rape storyline in the first season, and a pedophile plot through the series.
I’m just waiting for the last season to come to Netflix.
I watched the first season or two but drifted away from it.
My biggest impression was, “are we going to pretend that Alice is some sort of plain-jane and not a juggy blond”?
(but Julia > Alice)
#metoo
I did enjoy the first season. I read the first book and thought it was pretty “meh”. I think Neph’s point above probably explains why.
Mopey git, sounds like Holden Caulfield.
That does throw a different light on it.
I have no problem with Kevin Spacey. There seems to have been consensual adult stuff where the only “problem” was an imbalance of power.
But a guy making his living by creating something he uses to lure kiddie victims would put me right off his work.
See also Norman Rockwell.
Wait, what? What did Norman do?
Jeff Smith was named by a bunch of people who claimed they had repressed memories of sexual assault. That was during a period in the 1980s when there was a sudden mania for such accusations, resulting in several convictions based on nothing more than the word of alleged victims of abuse. Later research has shown that false memories, at times quite horrific and vivid, can be essentially implanted by overzealous therapists, although I have no idea if that was the case here.
Smith was sued by several alleged victims. The suits were filed in 1997 largely over incidents that were said to have happened in the 1970s (the defendants testified they had all suddenly remembered the events from 1995 to 1997). There were never any criminal investigations into the allegations. Smith’s insurance company settled the suits to avoid the expense and embarrassment of going through a civil trial, which was projected at the time to be a media sensation on CourtTV. The plaintiffs apparently had 19 people set to testify against Smith as well, although how reliable the witnesses would have been is difficult to say.
He lost his TV show and essentially his career over the accusations, which he flatly denied until his death. I still cook some of his dishes and always enjoyed his show. I struggle with the idea of unpersoning someone based on allegations, no matter how damning, and I know firsthand that sometimes your insurance company will settle suits without your consent, even if they think you didn’t do anything wrong, because they think it’d be cheaper.
Should have said the mania happened in the 80s and 90s.
Gerald Amirault spent 18 years in prison over that bit of mass hysteria.
I can read and enjoy books written by socialists. Pedos don’t even register compared to that.
So last night some topic of discussion on the #NoToobin prompted me to want to text my dad, but I didn’t because it was late and I doubt he had Do Not Disturb turned on.
Now I can’t remember WTF I wanted to text. Dammit.
“sup?”
“What are you drinking? *hic*”
I’m not sure what to make of the fact that something about Toobin made you think of texting your father…
I didn’t want to be the one to ask.
On Zoom last night, I announced my new impression, Toobin. I remind Kristen, who was also there, of her dad. That’s the train of thought.
It wasn’t about Toobin…it was during the Zoom thing. I kind of wish there was a recording so I could refresh my memory, but I also don’t want to see how drunk I was
Nope. Never recording any of those.
(On the bright side, if I do, there’s an announcement that gets broadcast to everyone).
Wasn’t it about technology?
Boo hoo. I dare say that by talking to me on the phone, you are consenting to me masturbating with you on the phone.
Aren’t we getting dangerously close to thoughtpolice?
“He was fantasizing about me while he jerked off, 500 miles away! I am a victim!”
So if he jerks off while thinking of skinning a deer it’s all good, but if he jerks off while thinking of some chic he knows in person, it’s aggravated fapping?
If a guy jerks off to a chic’s picture but she doesn’t know it, has she been victimized?
“He was fantasizing about me while he jerked off, 500 miles away! I am a victim!”
Translation:
Why can’t someone want me? I’m nice! Can’t someone at least beat off thinking about me! It’s not fair, there should be laws that make people like me!
Isn’t that the entire thought process behind laws against child porn?
That’s how they try to sell it to the masses (“Those poor children!”) but they are making a strategic blunder.
Don’t make looking at pics illegal; enforce existing laws against child abuse for the egregious cases where children are abused sexually, mentally, etc in the course of making “content.”
If they made a bunch of kiddie pr0n using deepfake cgi, the viewers/users shouldn’t be criminalized. They’ll be blackmailable, but no harm to kids so don’t dream up a new crime for it.
That ship has already sailed. There’s been at least one case where someone was prosecuted for cartoons and stories about sex with kids.
I always thought there was a supply and demand aspect to it. Yes looking at a picture harms no one but the possession of it means you are contributing to the market that created it. Make it illegal and hopefully you drive down demand which drives down supply which mean less kiddies being diddled on film. in theory anyway.
That’s a good point.
On one side, this is basically the principle behind Wickard v. Filburn. On the other hand, I could be amenable to the argument that mere possession is a continuation of harm against the child.
“Make it illegal and hopefully you drive down supply…”
Yeah, because that worked so well for alcohol and drugs.
I’m with hayeksplosives on this. Plus shunning.
Hence the “In theory anyway”
Adios
Many Chileans are eager to dump the Pinochet-era document because they view it both as a symbol of the dictatorship, and the embodiment of an economic system that prioritizes the market economy over social welfare.
The country now has a “historic opportunity” to replace an “illegitimate constitution … determined by a dictator and imposed by force” with a “new social agreement,” said Claudio Nash, a professor of international law at the University of Chile.
“In Chile the right to health is not guaranteed as a right,” he said. “What is guaranteed is the freedom of people to choose the health system they want — the public system, the private system — but access to quality health care is not guaranteed.”
One social contract, coming up. Welcome to the workers’ paradise.
Does the NPR article mention that the current constitution has been amended 200+ times, and is now more than 2/3 new material? (Cause I ain’t clicking on NPR.)
… the embodiment of an economic system that prioritizes the market economy over social welfare.
One round of “bad luck”, coming right up.
“new social agreement”
Sounds like 100% approval. I’m sure all signatories to the social contract will be treated equally under the law.
“Sounds like 100% approval”
It will be, or else.
That sort of reminds me of a client I used to work for. This was about 5 years ago. They decided to boldly forge head of the crowds by going ultra woke. So they had this meeting on equality and discrimination and they made it mandatory for every employee (I think between 3-4 thousand employees). This lady speaking, or xer I guess, that wasn’t invented yet I don’t think, was saying shit like ‘We don’t have enough trans employees. That’s a serious problem.). I wanted to stand up and scream ‘Have you lost your fucking mind!? What about making money?’.
Anyway, afterwards we get this fawning memo about the wokesters who organized the event and how ultra important it was in ‘moving the organization forward’, and get this last part ‘they were impressed at how popular the event was and how nearly every employee attended’. WTF?
Is good soviet, everyone come happy!
Hyperion might be one of the kulaks; better keep an eye on him.
“a new social agreement”
That doesn’t sound Orwellian at all.
Sounds like Chile needs moar helicopter service.
Someone just shared a picture of packaged chicken drumsticks, accurately labeled as bone-in, skin-on chicken drumsticks.
Then the label helpfully adds “Back legs only.”
Lolwhut?
Well, they come from six-legged chickens, the kind you harvest nuggets from.
Packaged in Fukushima?
Beany and Cecil, you collection of uncultured fuckwits.
Huh, literally had never heard of Beany and Cecil until now. Odd that its peers – the Flintstones and the Jetsons – were ubiquitious in my youth, but Beany and Cecil wasn’t.
Hanna-Barbera cartoons were banned in our house.
I liked when Beany and Cecil met the movie star Dinah Saur who lived on the No Bikini Atoll.
And I would have accepted Rocky and Bullwinkle, but really, that sophistication is too much to expect from you.
I like Tennessee Tuxedo, I don’t understand all the jokes but the animation is top-notch.
Don Adams at his best.
I like Tennessee Tuxedo, I don’t understand all the jokes
I guess you try but can’t succeed-oh?
It’s one of those late autumn days where I can sit outside comfortably until the sun goes behind a cloud whereupon the temperature seems to drop instantly by 20 degrees. Shiver through it until the sun emerges again, and repeat.
Soon will be time to light a fire. We got the brick mason out to undo some crappy repairs and then do it right. It will be fun (until fireplaces are banned in California).
Another plague death
The owner of New York City’s famed Strand bookstore sent out a plea for customers Friday, saying the store’s revenue has plummeted by 70% since the coronavirus pandemic began.
Nancy Bass Wyden, wife of U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said loans and cash revenue allowed the bookstore to weather the last eight months but “we are now at a turning point where our business is unsustainable.”
Wyden inherited the business from her father in 2018. It was founded by her grandfather in 1927.
“We’ve survived just about everything for 93 years — the Great Depression, two World Wars, big-box bookstores, e-books and online behemoths,” she wrote in the letter posted on Twitter. “Because of the impact of Covid-19, we cannot survive the huge decline in foot-traffic, a near complete loss of tourism and zero in-store events.”
Mayor deBlasio was apparently unavailable for comment.
Why don’t they care about people? Don’t they know everybody’s dying?
Fuck deBlasio. The Strand is one of the great bookstores on this continent. I am sure Powell’s Books in Portland is in the same dire strait.
Those stores can’t just be recreated easily or speedily. These tinpot dictators are figuratively burning books just like their mid-20th century predecessors.
Thought I read that Powells closed earlier this year. Could be wrong though. Hope so – that joint was the highlight of my portcalls in 2011/2012 Portland.
Powell’s closed their doors voluntarily and temporarily because it’s impossible to social distance in their stacks, then laid off most of their staff. They’ve since shuttered the PDX location. They were and are struggling.
Emily Powell runs the place now and totally embraced the modern left. I’d have memories but wouldn’t shed a tear if they closed entirely.
Also fuck Nancy Bass and her husband, the third senator from NY.
To be fair, this one can be laid on Andy Cuomo. He calls the shots around here.
If NYC rebelled, Cuomo would fall in line.
I’m trying to figure how their business survived two world wars yet was founded in 1927.
Other than that, I’m on her side.
This is the same outfit that the city has been trying to put out of business via “landmark status”. I can forgive a slip-up like that considering how angry she must be at the city and state constantly fucking with her business.
I’ve been there more times than I count, but never with any intent to go there, so the “foot traffic” comment is on point. These pro lockdown assholes have made it into my top 3 of contemptables, right behind commies and people who talk on their cells on busses and trains.
You know. I used to give ENB a lot of slack. But after her tweets today. Fuck that bitch
^^not a real libertarian
Trump broke her.
Usually the Bad Lip Reading guys change the audio, but I’m not sure they for this debate video.
I saw that yesterday—good stuff!!
When I read a Trump quote or tweet, I hear it in the Bad Lip Reading Trump voice.
Biden’s skin has that frail, pale, tissue paper look you usually see i the very old or infirm. They weren’t reaching far for his audio in the spoof.
I noticed that, too.
Btw – have we gotten a realistic estimate on Covid-adjacent deaths yet? Those who died for lack of other treatments, etc? Still betting the # will be higher overall than actual covid deaths for the year (although maybe across 2 yrs?)
I’ve seen one or two items from doctors lamenting the harm done by all the skipped medical treatments, and one looking at mental health/suicide/drug abuse. But they weren’t widely circulated.
Eventually we will have a number of “final” tallies of human cost, economic costs, but there will be no way for us to know which is closest to the truth.
Most people think the New Deal ended the Great Depression.
I came out of college thinking that. The WPA gave everybody jobs and got us out of The Depression. Not that I was much a student.
Ultimately this will have to be estimated. I think the process involves finding out the excess deaths figure (how many more people died in 2020 than ‘normally’ do) and use data to try and apportion it all out. I think long term there will be no doubt that the lockdowns will cause more overall ‘loss’ (in all possible senses) than COVID-19 could ever dream of. Driving to the grocery store today, seeing more and more signs of severe economic hardship on the way. Lots of emptied retail space in a fairly upscale section of Phoenix.
Uh oh – don’t let Sloppy read the Bee.
I’ll take “sentences I never thought I’d hear 5 years ago”, Alex.
Ah, 2020. And I of course meant Sloopy – stupid phone.
https://babylonbee.com/news/ncaa-slaps-entire-big-ten-conference-with-massive-delay-of-game-penalty
ROFL.
Nice.
Bah!
Excellent.
As a big college football watcher living in lockdown land, it’s been surreal watching the southern games filled with stands full of fans, gives me some sense of hope that not everybody will keep going along with this no matter what Biden decrees.
I’m watching a multi episode documentary “Impossible Peace” about the time between WWI and WWII.
They talked about FDR, no editorializing although they did mention that FDRs measures invited the federal government into people’s lives in unprecedented ways.
Good grief, I hate that commie.
Get this—at one point he rounded up protesters against his New Deal and “quarantined” them to protect social stability, good of the nation etc.
What.a.cunte.
The use of the term “quarantine” for locking up political opponents is particularly chilling.
Hitler may have saved this country from a second Civil War.
(for what it’s worth)
Hitler may have
saved this country fromdelayed a second Civil War.Feels like where we’re heading these days. All that hatred towards Trump is really hatred towards tens of millions of people who don’t support marching lockstep towards Marxism. I think a peaceful split is the best possible outcome at this point… especially if remaining unified entails living under Marxism.
Wilson did the same to opponents of his enslavement.
I didn’t learn that in school. And yes, that is chilling I can see “stay home to save the planet” days in our future.
Is there going to be a z00m séance this evening? I want to lurk, and tonight would be ideal because a) the clocks change tonight so I get an extra hour, and b) I don’t have the usual load on tomorrow.
#metoobin if there is one I’d join.
I wouldn’t call it a seance. But it is a Saturday, so I’m planning on starting one up at 20:00 Eastern. Link here, and I’ll post it in the evening post after the appropriate 30 minute wait.
Huh, in the US, it’s next weekend.
Yeah I had to go look online cause I thought it was first week in Nov.
Dealing with phone systems means always knowing when the clocks change and being ready for a large amount of tickets the Monday after.
All our coordination is in zulu, so yeah I need to know if I am +7 or +8 (west coast is best time)
Pacific time is -7 or -8, not +7 or +8.
I blame the drink and phone
zulu
Raaaaaacist!
Fun fact – ‘UTC’ is the abbreviation because the Frenchies and English speakers couldn’t agree on using the English (‘Coordinated Universal Time ‘ = CUT) or French (‘Temps Universel Coordonné’ = TUC) abbreviation, so the went with “neither”.
Our two teens finally want to be out of the house most of the day, thanks COVID! What do we do? I fart around on the computer and wife takes a nap. Living the 2020 dream!
My wife took the dog & met a friend for a hike.
I had the place to myself for hours and hours, for the first time in forever.
It was glorious.
I went out to pick up candy bars to hand out for Halloween. We went with a box of dark chocolate Kit Kats and Reese’s Pieces filled peanut butter cups. Full sized, as the kids deserve it for all the shit they’ve been through already this year.
The real question is do I go with airplane bottles of booze for the adults, or a thermos filled with something warm and spiked?
Airplane bottles, for those paranoid about the Wu Flu
If they’re paranoid about it, they won’t be out trick or treating.
And don’t deserve to be rewarded.
Naw, they’ll take the kids out, use kitchen tongs to take candy into a plastic sack, which they’ll then autoclave when they get home and allow the children to sample the resulting mass.
That actually sound damn good, one giant pile of melted Snickers and Paydays and Butterfingers……
Trump the racist…oh not Trump.
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/10/24/chelsea-handler-i-had-to-remind-50-cent-hes-black-so-he-cant-vote-for-trump-n268582
Maybe she was just employing some of that “humor” she is supposed to be known for.
“You used to be my favorite ex-boyfriend”
Does he get to not give a fuck?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeShikhman/status/1320051228760559616
LOL
I brought this up the other day…megachurch in LA is being declared an outbreak of COVID but it is 3 people out of 7000 andcit is mild symptoms. The media truly cannot be trusted.
“outbreak”
Now do BLM protests…
TMITE, never forget.
Man, we flat out fucked up Nebraska. Pedo state is next…if they CCW come back against the Hoosiers.
If they can. Autocorrect.
I don’t know, CCW could make the game more interesting… lol