Pantry Meals Revisited

by | Oct 22, 2020 | Cooking, LifeSkills, Recipes | 246 comments

Some state government public health officials and the CDC are making noise about going back into lockdown during the upcoming flu season.  If a bunch of people panic again, the store shelves may be a little bare. So, it may be smart to stock up now and get your pantry recipes ready.  Hyperbole, get your pickles now.

Looking through my cupboard I found a jar of green salsa.  That’s what started me thinking about pantry meals.  Salsa is a favorite pantry staple of mine and reminded me that someone had posted a salsa chicken recipe in the comments.

I make a similar crockpot recipe. I usually cut a pork roast into cubes, brown and put in the crockpot along with chopped onions and chopped green bell pepper. Then I pour in a jar of green salsa. Cover and cook on low for 6-8 hours. You could also use boneless skinless chicken thighs or beef stew meat – whatever you like. You can eat it as is, serve over rice, or turn it into a filling for tacos or enchiladas.  Easy, tasty and versatile.

In my grad school days, I used to mix chunky salsa with tuna to make a spicy tuna salad. I ate it in sandwiches, as a salad on lettuce, or just on crackers. I keep salsa on hand because it is a quick, cheap way to make otherwise boring staples taste good. And, of course, you can just eat it on chips.

Another pantry meal I like is chicken with artichokes. I dredge bone-in, skin-on chicken thighs in seasoned flour, then brown in a skillet in a little oil, remove them from the pan and set aside. Then I add chopped onions and sauté until translucent. Drain a can of artichoke hearts and cut into quarters. Add to the onions along with a little white wine and chicken stock. Return the chicken to the pan and bring to a simmer. Cover and cook for about 25 minutes. Then add a cup of frozen peas, cover and cook for another 5-10 minutes. Yum!  I once used a jar of marinated artichoke hearts instead of canned. It worked just fine.

Thinking about salsa and jars of artichokes reminds me of one of my favorite kitchen tools. I never struggle to open a jar because I have this opener.

It has a ratchet and gives you a lever.  Editor’s note: Like this one.) Growing up, we had a similar jar opener and when I was out on my own, I wanted one. I couldn’t find one. For years all I could find were those stupid rubber mats. That’s fine if the problem is that the jar is slippery but is worthless if you actually need help breaking the seal. (Yes, yes SQUAT MOAR, whatever.) I was thrilled when I finally found one for 75 cents at a yard sale.

 

What are your favorite pantry items? What’s your favorite use for salsa? Do you have any favorite kitchen tools?

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246 Comments

  1. PieInTheSky

    Looking through my cupboard I found a jar of green salsa – wait made by you or bought>

    • Brochettaward

      See, how am I supposed to respect the Firsts of others when this is what they’re bringing to the Firsting game?

      • UnCivilServant

        You could try getting over your hangup.

      • juris imprudent

        Pretty sure he killed and ate his therapist – which I suppose is another pantry option.

      • Tejicano

        Freeze-dried long pork. Hmm…

      • Cy

        Only a psycho would like Huey Lewis and the News.

      • DEG
      • Bobarian LMD

        Genesis really came into it’s own when Phil Collins took over.

      • PieInTheSky

        Have you tried medication?

  2. PieInTheSky

    I never struggle to open a jar because I have this opener. – I have no opener but I am really strogn and manly and no jar can withstand my awesomeness.

    Yes, yes SQUAT MOAR, whatever. – also deadlifts for the forearms

    Editor’s note: Like this one.) – isn’t there a parenthesis missing?

  3. PieInTheSky

    What are your favorite pantry items – shelves, I putt all the other stuff on them

  4. Brochettaward

    but is worthless if you actually need help breaking the seal.

    A man designed that tool so you could play at being a strong, independent woman with no need of a man.

  5. Tundra

    Do you have a spider killer, as well?

    Because I think opening jars and killing spiders is why my wife keeps me around!

    Thanks, Tulip! Imma try the chicken and artichoke one. Two great tastes that taste great together!

    • juris imprudent

      I’m intrigued by the salsa and tuna idea, and have a jar of a roasted garlic salsa sitting on a shelf.

    • Tulip

      I do have a spider killer. My cat.

      • Bobarian LMD

        I am a spider catch-and-releaser.

      • Mojeaux the Melancholy

        Depends on the spider. Wolf spiders are cute little things.

        XX: That spider is shaking its butt at me.

        Me: It’s twerking.

        XX: A twerking wolf spider?

        Me: Twerking Wolf Spider podcast, you and me.

  6. CPRM

    I’m not rich, I don’t have a pantry. (well, I so rarely eat at home that keeping dry goods around doesn’t make much sense. Not that I’m a rich folk who eats out (Phrasing!) all the time, just I usually eat once a day and I tend to cook Fresh-Frozen-Canned in that order.

  7. KOVIDKristen

    I like to keep stuff around where I can whip something up, so VERY basic items like flour & yeast & sugar. I also like to keep lots of juices & fruits like citrus around. Can use them in baking, cooking, and drinking. Also, booze.

    Couldn’t do without my spring tongs and large skillet w/lid. I can both saute & stew in it, both stovetop & oven

    • Nephilium

      My cast iron is my true workhorse in the kitchen. The girlfriend hates it all because she says it’s too heavy.

      /closes browser tabs holding more cast iron cooking items that I don’t need

      • UnCivilServant

        I don’t get along with cast iron.

      • Nephilium

        What problems are you having with cast iron? I’ve got some enameled cast iron and a bunch of regular iron.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m impatient. Waiting for it to heat up or cool down always irked me. It was perpetually in the wrong thermal state.

      • Nephilium

        That I can’t offer any advice on. I plan things out when cooking, and even do the fancy french words for prepping all the ingredients before starting any cooking (and usually pre-heat the cast iron while getting that set up).

      • Old Man With Candy

        Induction. Ours gets the cast iron smoking hot in under a minute.

      • KOVIDKristen

        I like cooking with my cast iron, but I hate cleaning it & caring for it. I often fry in it, and disposing of the oil then cleaning the dregs is a PIA. It’s like a delicate snowflake that needs copious amounts of attention, and dog forbid it gets wet for any length of time.

        I like my stainless Cuisinart pan because other than it not being nonstick, it can do everything the cast iron can do, AND it goes in the dishwasher.

      • Mojeaux the Melancholy

        I can’t be arsed to find it, but there’s a meme where a husband is holding an immaculately cleaned skillet and the caption is, “My wife’s pan was totally crusted and filthy.” And it’s a cast-iron pan.

      • KOVIDKristen

        Plus I can boil water in it and use it to cook acidic sauces & foods

      • banginglc1

        I wash mine in the sink with the other dishes and use it for acidic sauces all day long. Once it has a good seasoning build up, it really doesn’t matter. Just don’t clean it with steel wool or soak it for more than 15 minutes.

      • Tundra

        I saved this article many years ago and have done as she describes.

        Works great!

      • KOVIDKristen

        Yeah, the only kitchen appliances I want to have an instruction manual for are the electronic ones.

      • KOVIDKristen

        (BTW, that’s exactly how I clean mine. But I use salt to scrub it. Like I said, it’s a PIA)

      • Nephilium

        The key… chain mail scrubbie. It’ll clean out the pan, and it can go into the dishwasher for cleaning.

      • CPRM

        These newfangled rules for cast iron are just that. It can get wet, you can soak it etc.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        this. I used to care more, but my wife didn’t and would abuse the hell out of it. I realized that the pan wasn’t rusting away and so I joined her in the lack of care. I can always reseason, if necessary.

    • CPRM

      Have you had either the Mrs. Renfro’s Ghost Chili or Carolina Reaper salsas? I can get the Ghost Chili one here locally, but it seems to have been ‘watered down’ the past few years, and I read a review where the Carolina Reaper salsa is just barely hotter than the new ‘watered down Ghost Chili salsa, so debating if it’s even worth it to pay the premium to buy it online.

      • KOVIDKristen

        I’ve always found Mrs. Renfro’s to be weak

  8. Tejicano

    My pantry has lots of canned Ro-tel Mexican style tomatoes to make my own salsa by mixing the different Ro-tel products with onions, Jalapenos, etc. Another staple in the pantry is pinto and black beans. I always have a batch of frozen refries on hand which I heat up and use as required. No Effing canned refried beans in my house.

    • EvilSheldon

      Rotel is great stuff.

    • Nephilium

      For me, it’s fire roasted tomatoes. I’ve probably got at least a dozen cans in the pantry. I use them on a very regular basis.

  9. The Late P Brooks

    Do you have any favorite kitchen tools?

    Knives. The sharper the better.

    • PieInTheSky

      No one needs a pointy knife / British government

    • UnCivilServant

      Knife, the ultimate monotasker, it does one thing – cuts – and it should do it well.

      • CPRM

        I have two actual Butcher’s knives from my grandparents who were butchers. When I took a whetstone to them, despite being more than 40 years old, they could cut paper like a razor.

    • UnCivilServant

      Faaake – there’s a whole string of garlic in that picture.

      • Sean

        LOL

    • Brochettaward

      You need to pay one of your prostitutes to come in and clean that place up.

    • Tulip

      Is that a wine fridge?

      • PieInTheSky

        that is what i mean with wine coole,r

      • CPRM

        *doubly mad at not finding a youtube clip for that Bartles and James joke in Son-in-Law*

    • DEG

      That wine cooler is bigger than some refrigerators I’ve seen in Euro apartments.

  10. EvilSheldon

    I have a bunch of O2-purged buckets of dried beans and rice, and a bunch of little bottles of cheap house-brand olive oil. And vitamins.

    • db

      I hate to be pendantic* but do you mean nitrogen-purged?

      *that’s a dirty, filthy lie.

      • Pine_Tree

        You can both be right if you decide to interpret “O2-purged” as “purged of all O2 (by using N2)”.

      • UnCivilServant

        “Nitrogen-Purged” sounds like they got rid of the nitrogen.

      • db

        It’s typical in the chemical process industries to call something “x – purged” when it has been purged with “x”

      • Plisade

        The correct term is nitrogen flushed.

      • EvilSheldon

        In my case, the correct term is CO2-flushed. I use dry ice to evacuate the air.

  11. Mojeaux the Melancholy

    My pantry is still chock full of beef, although XY has been blown away by my pork chops and I don’t really much care for pork. Now he wants me to stock the freezers with pork chops.

    • Tulip

      It’s like I don’t even know you. Don’t like pork.

      • Mojeaux the Melancholy

        It’s just not my first choice of animal flesh. Beef, chicken, pork, turkey (distant fourth).

      • PieInTheSky

        have you people never heard of duck?

      • Tundra

        I have one in the freezer. Good reminder.

      • UnCivilServant

        An action used to avoid getting struck by an object near head height.

        What’s it got to do with anything?

      • Mojeaux the Melancholy

        Yes and I like it much better than turkey, but it’s not exactly readily available here. I also like goose better than turkey.

      • TARDis

        What woman doesn’t enjoy a good goose now and then?

      • DEG

        Yum.

      • pistoffnick

        I’ll take a pork chop over a steak any day.

      • Sean

        I’ll take a pork chop over a steak any day.

        *falls out of chair*

        I mean, i like pork…but no.

      • Brochettaward

        This response makes me want to throw things at you and hit you with shit.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        This has to be the worst internet take I have ever seen.

      • The Hyperbole

        If he’s accounting for cost I’ll give him some lee way, pork’s 4-6 times cheaper and only an exceptionally good steak will be that multiplier better.

      • leon

        You may be against Big Bay leaf, but shilling for Big Pig? You disgust me sir.

      • Tundra

        Lol.

        Nice trolling!

      • l0b0t

        The crusty old waiters at Peter Luger Steakhouse (quite rightly) make fun of me when I order the occasional pork chop; it’s too good a chop to not try at least once.

      • banginglc1

        before they made port WAY too lean, I could see this argument having more merit. But they have taken the fat out and you sir are wrong.

        ps . . I think i found out why you’re so pistoff, you’re eating pork instead of steak.

      • banginglc1

        pork*

        However, port beers and wines could probably be made better with more fat too.

  12. Rebel Scum

    pantry recipes

    I’ve got crackers and canned soups/chili. Good to go.

    • TARDis

      I would be good to go too, if my wife would just follow my orders thoughtful suggestions. I keep telling her to stop raiding the basement pantry. If shewants something she can go to the store. The stuff in the basement is for the Drumpfler Retaliation Uprising. “When are we going to eat all that soup, crackers, and dried fruit?”

      2022?

      There is no we, actually. I plan on trafficking my family for ammunition when it comes down to it.

  13. Fourscore

    There is another person living in my house, a person I’ve never seen. I know that because all I ever get to eat is leftovers. I wish that person would take a day off or get a job or something.

  14. The Late P Brooks

    I’ve always found Mrs. Renfro’s to be weak

    I value flavor over heat, if that’s what you’re referring to.

    • KOVIDKristen

      I think it’s lacking in both

      • CPRM

        This, for what is supposed to be in it, and also it has a ‘slimy’ texture. But, it’s the only brand I can get in my area with anything hotter than Habenero.

  15. Rebel Scum

    Do you have any favorite kitchen tools?

    Cast iron skillets.

    • Sean

      ?

    • Tundra

      This.

      And my coffee stuff.

      • Tundra

        And my Maverick XR-50 thermometer.

        And like that I sound like Navin 🙂

        Well I’m gonna to go then. And I don’t need any of this. I don’t need this stuff, and I don’t need you. I don’t need anything except this. And that’s it and that’s the only thing I need, is this. I don’t need this or this. Just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that’s all I need. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that’s all I need. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that’s all I need. And that’s all I need too. I don’t need one other thing, not one – I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that’s all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.

      • Rebel Scum

        I have Thermapro that is pretty basic but it works for me.

      • Tundra

        Yep, I have a couple of theirs. Excellent.

        I like the multiple probes with the XR-50.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        You were born a poor black child?

      • The Hyperbole

        I though you were going for Marvin

        Oh goodie! My Illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator.

      • Rebel Scum

        I have an electric single cup brewer and an old fashioned percolator. Power or no, I can brew coffee.

      • PieInTheSky

        copper pot?

      • Tundra

        AeroPress. And a burr grinder.

    • Fourscore

      I don’t have any kitchen tools. Mrs F allows me in the kitchen 3X a day.

      “Eat and get out”

      /Fondly remembers the days of the Mess Hall

      • l0b0t

        Mmm… I would sit there and sip coffee and eat a half dozen peanut butter on raisin-toast sammiches for breakfast. Our mess ranged from mediocre to pretty good, but they made up for it with volume.

    • Nephilium

      Always the correct answer.

      This weekend will include a roast chicken in a cast iron skillet.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Growing up I thought roasted chicken was fine, but my grandma and mom’s way of doing it resulted in wet, floppy skin.

        Now my wife sears it in the cast iron before throwing it in the oven. It basically results in a roast/rotisserie chicken hybrid that we make every week. The leftover chicken is used in another dinner later.

      • Nephilium

        The other key is to make a compound butter and rub it under the skin and over the skin. And then make a pan gravy in the pan with the drippings.

      • CPRM

        By that you mean put a stick of butter in the body cavity, a stick of butter on top of the body and regularly baste with beer? If not, you are wrong.

      • Nephilium

        For a small chicken, I’ll generally use about a stick of butter (there’s only two of us in the house). In Thanksgivings past, I’ve gone through several pounds of butter through the turkey and sides.

        I won’t baste the chicken, as it doesn’t really need it, and I prefer to keep my oven closed when cooking. But I have used beer as the deglazing liquid for gravy before (especially a nice wit with notes of lemon and coriander).

      • db

        Blood Eagle!

      • Tulip

        I like cooking Cornish game hens by spatchcocking, searing, then into the oven.

    • Tulip

      I knew I should have said besides cast iron

    • Timeloose

      Chinese Cleaver and the Lodge 6Q Dutch oven.

      • Tulip

        I really want a cleaver

    • banginglc1

      Do you have any favorite kitchen tools?

      A woman.

      /ducks and runs from mythical female libertarians.

      • Tulip

        Now I really, really want a cleaver.

      • KOVIDKristen

        #MeToo

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        You guys are making Christmas easy.

      • leon

        :Hides my Toobin:

  16. Scruffy Nerfherder

    mix chunky salsa with tuna to make a spicy tuna salsa

    That sounds like it would go great with a bottle of tequila.

    *hurk*

  17. PieInTheSky

    speaking of pantry

    Benton’s Aged Hickory Smoked Country Ham with Grant Broggi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgwd61Z9nZk

    Now there is no way you American ham is as good as prosciutto or jamon

    • Chipwooder

      It’s just different. Top-quality country ham, like this one is amazing.

      • PieInTheSky

        Smith Smith from Chicago rated it 3 stars 3 times with no other comment. would he do that for a quality product?

      • Chipwooder

        He rated it like 110 times, actually.

  18. Rebel Scum

    *blood pressure rising*

    Moran ordered “fuel filters” from an advertisement on Instagram. When the package arrived from China, it had two items that looked more like silencers to him than fuel filters.

    The next day, Moran voluntarily surrendered these “fuel filters” to the Carlstadt Police Department.

    While voluntarily surrendering these items, Moran told the Carlstadt detective that he had made two purchases of which he received only one and that he was canceling the second order.

    Moran notified the China-based Instagram vendor, PayPal, and his bank to cancel the second order and payment. He also alerted the US Post Office that he refuses delivery of any package from this seller.

    To his surprise, approximately 10 days later, a second package still arrived at his home. He immediately put the box in his car and drove directly to the police station to voluntarily surrender it, as he had done with the first purchase.

    After parking at the borough hall, he proceeded to walk up to the police department located there. Before entering the building, however, a cadre of Federal and State Government agents stopped and arrested him.

    Attorney Evan Nappen stated, “In other words, in response to Moran’s initiating contact with law enforcement, voluntarily surrendering a package of questionable ‘fuel filters’ that he received, informing the authorities about a second potential package, and doing everything that he could to stop its delivery – Government surveilled him, followed him, and set up a trap to arrest him.”

    After the arrest, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella quickly issued a news release painting Moran as an “international arms-trafficker” who “smuggled” contraband into the country. The smear included publication of his personal picture without his permission and claims that he had “numerous firearms, high capacity magazines, thousands of rounds of ammunition and police issued ballistic vests.”

    • cyto

      And the punchline?

      There’s not a damn thing he can do about it.

      if he’s lucky they will quietly drop the charges after trashing his reputation. And probably keeping all of his guns.

      if he’s not lucky, he will get a judge that will not allow him to introduce evidence that he reported the items being sent to him in the first place.

    • leon

      After the arrest, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella quickly issued a news release painting Moran as an “international arms-trafficker” who “smuggled” contraband into the country.

      Mark Musella is clearly the kind of prosecutor willing to kill, murder, steal and destroy to push his career. “Did you know that i stopped an international weapons smuggler?”. Such will receive their just due.

    • juris imprudent

      Oh, NJ, sure.

      • db

        Yeah, I was shocked until I saw what state it was.

    • tripacer

      I look at facederp about every 2-3 weeks. The last couple times I did, there were a crap ton of ads for “wix 4003 fuel filters” next to a picture of a suppressor. I just assume it’s a set up.

    • PieInTheSky

      I cant tell if those have the mechanism to lock them closed. If not bad tongs

      • Cy

        Yes. There’s a pull tab at the end to lock them, with the loop for hanging them on the end of the pull tab.

  19. grrizzly

    Oh, no! They did everything RIGHT!

    Italy Did Everything Right to Stop a Second Wave of the Coronavirus. So What Went Wrong?
    Just one month ago, Italy was the shining example of how masks and aggressive testing work to stave off a second COVID wave. Why have things gone so terribly wrong?

    ROME—If you turn on the news in Italy right now, you might be forgiven for thinking you are getting reruns from March. Pictures of COVID-only units, field hospitals being erected, exhausted medics, and coffins are again dominating headlines as Italy comes to grips with a deadly second wave of COVID-19. On Wednesday, the death toll topped 125 in a 24-hour period for the first time since May when this country was still under a draconian lockdown and seen as a harbinger of what was to come.

    What’s particularly troubling about the return of COVID in Italy is that the country has done everything experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have been advising. Face masks in public places have been compulsory for months, social distancing is strongly enforced, nightclubs have never reopened, and sporting arenas are at less than a third of capacity. Children who are back at school are regularly tested and strictly social-distanced, and yet, the second wave seems completely unstoppable.


    But for many, the sacrifices that helped during the first round seem lost now, as though they had been made in vain.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      That’s not going to stop the maskatics.

    • Fatty Bolger
    • peachy rex

      Protip : If you do everything “right”, and you still fuck up horribly, maybe you didn’t do everything right.

  20. Mojeaux the Melancholy

    It’s been cold all week. We have wood in the firepit ready to burn. So I thought, “Thursday we’ll roast marshmallows because it’s XX’s day off from work.” It’s going to be freaking 80 degrees today.

    Heater in the morning, fan in the afternoon. Welcome to Missouri.

  21. Bobarian LMD

    Better jar opener.

    Because it does other things as well.

    • Fourscore

      Have that one too, only way to take off a big water filter on the water system. Also have a third kind, a sort of triangular shape where the jar ring can be forced into the triangle and grips tightly.

  22. Cy

    As for bunker pantry food, I’d recommend a ton of long grain rice and a lot of light, salt based sauces (mandarin, worcestershire, tso, curry based, soy, etc.), to go with it. Neither of those things easily expire and whenever I have a lot of random people at my table it’s always and easy side dish, just a light dust of steak seasoning and a ton of butter.

    Protein: Albacore tuna (white,) never in oil. Canned salmon. Smoked oysters. 1$ Chili with beans.

    Fruit: Pineapple, fruit mix, pears, mandarin oranges and peaches. I think cherry pie filling technically counts here.

    Lately, we’ve added ramen noodles to our pantry and these fig things:

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Nature-s-Bakery-Blueberry-Fig-Bars-10-Twin-Packs-2-Oz-each/132061395

    They’ve been very handy as snacks for work and are quite inexpensive and delicious.

  23. The Late P Brooks

    What’s particularly troubling about the return of COVID in Italy is that the country has done everything experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have been advising. Face masks in public places have been compulsory for months, social distancing is strongly enforced, nightclubs have never reopened, and sporting arenas are at less than a third of capacity. Children who are back at school are regularly tested and strictly social-distanced, and yet, the second wave seems completely unstoppable.

    Some people might just think they’ve been sold a bill of goods. We wouldn’t want that.

    • KOVIDKristen

      It’s almost like it’s a virus or something

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        BUT BUT TRUMP MADE IT WORSE!

        /my facederp friends

        I respond with “If it makes you feel better to think that a different administration would have produced better outcomes, then knock yourself out.”

      • The Other Kevin

        The only examples of “better leadership” I’ve seen mentioned are either China (yeah, we can believe them), or some pretend president that never existed but would have done everything right, whatever that means.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        If by better leadership, you mean welding people into their apartments and seizing people in broad daylight on the street to stick them in quarantine death hotels, then yeah, they had lots of leadership.

      • UnCivilServant

        You left off the potentially cremating people alive and disappearing people with information contrary to the official figures.

      • Idle Hands

        why bother these people will argue till they are blue in the face about how much of a dream boat andrew cuomo is and how great his response was. they are fucking off the reservation.

    • The Other Kevin

      Trump didn’t listen to the experts, but Biden will. Just like the leaders in Italy.

    • Chipwooder

      Masks are stopping this thing cold!

      So can I stop wearing my face diaper now?

    • invisible finger

      “experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci”

      Dr. Mengele was an expert, too.

    • Idle Hands

      My prediction is Biden announces an national mask mandate with no possible way to enforce and they just pretend it’s not a thing anymore.

  24. kinnath

    Microwave. Microwave Rice Cooker, and Wok. Handles most of the stuff I want to cook.

  25. The Late P Brooks

    Bureaucrat on bureaucrat warfare

    Infuriated by the FDA’s defiance in a showdown over the Trump administration’s standards for authorizing a coronavirus vaccine, health secretary Alex Azar has spent recent weeks openly plotting the ouster of FDA chief Stephen Hahn.

    Azar has vented to allies within the Health and Human Services Department about his unhappiness with the top official in charge of the vaccine process, and discussed the prospect of seeking White House permission to remove him, a half-dozen current and former administration officials said.

    During some of those conversations, he’s gone as far as to float potential replacements for Hahn, said one current and two former administration officials familiar with the talks, identifying HHS testing czar Brett Giroir and a pair of career civil servants – FDA Principal Deputy Commissioner Amy Abernethy and longtime regulator Janet Woodcock – as prime candidates to step in as acting commissioner should Hahn be removed.

    The discussions come amid deep frustration with Hahn over his insistence that a Covid-19 vaccine meet stricter-than-normal safety standards — a contentious decision that rendered it impossible for President Donald Trump to fulfill his oft-expressed desire for a vaccine just before Election Day.

    Earlier this month, Hahn ended a lengthy standoff over the rules under which the FDA would grant emergency authorization for a vaccine by flouting the White House and ordering their publication. The move won widespread praise from the nation’s public health community.

    ——-

    In the meantime, the last few weeks have marked a new low point in an extraordinary feud between Azar’s health department and its subordinates at the FDA that has played out in the press and behind the scenes during the nation’s worst pandemic in 100 years.

    That months-long battle has disrupted efforts to combat the virus by slowing down internal decision-making and sowing confusion, according to 10 current and former administration officials and others with knowledge of the situation. It’s decimated morale and, at various times, forced the White House to intervene.

    Only the purest and most noble may serve the masses.

  26. SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

    OT: another day, another 5 emails about I&D in my inbox before noon.

    There has to be a backlash brewing against this. Has to! There is no way that I’m the only person completely irritated by the deluge.

    *starts muttering incoherently and rocking in chair*

    • PieInTheSky

      I&D?

      • Bobarian LMD

        Idiots & Dickheads works pretty good.

    • UnCivilServant

      File a suit for harassment and a hostile work environment.

      That is ten too many.

  27. Rebel Scum

    Way to let her sail through committee without objection.

    Oct. 22 (UPI) — About a month after President Donald Trump nominated her for the U.S. Supreme Court, the Senate judiciary committee on Thursday approved Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s confirmation and sent it to the full Senate for a final vote.

    Her nomination now approved by the committee, it will advance for a full Senate vote, which Republican leader Mitch McConnell said will occur on Monday.

    The panel’s 12 Republican members voted in favor of Barrett’s nomination and all 10 Democratic members boycotted the hearing and did not vote.

    • KOVIDKristen

      I think they were all upset that they couldn’t turn it into a Kavanaughesque shitshow.

  28. The Late P Brooks

    Hahn’s standing within his agency reached a nadir in August, when Hahn – alongside Trump and Azar – overstated the benefits of convalescent plasma as a Covid-19 treatment, enraging the scientific community and sparking calls for his resignation.

    “The circumstances of your statements in recent days has led to a crisis in confidence,” Eric Topol, director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute, wrote in a blistering open letter shortly afterward. “Not only has your credibility been diminished but so has that of the FDA, its 15,000-plus staff members, and, most importantly, your ability to oversee the health interests of the American people.”

    Hahn’s allies now describe the backlash to that press conference as an inflection point – one that prompted a concerted effort by the commissioner to re-establish the FDA as an independent agency and ally himself firmly with its career officials.

    To Azar and other detractors in HHS and the White House, it marks the moment that Hahn went completely off the rails.

    What a shitshow. Nobody should believe anything these bozos say.

  29. Rebel Scum

    Ain’t that the pot calling the kettle ‘negro’…

    “Listen, we talk about the fringe black male vote, right, for Donald Trump?” Lemon said. “Let’s see how many people actually show up at the polls because I don’t really know any black men who are going to vote for Donald Trump, except for people who have a ton of money in the bank and maybe they think — they think, here’s what they think: Unlike black women, who are the most educated of the voting bloc, who know what it is like to be in a board room or a business meeting and be mansplained when your idea is better, and you’re smarter than the men in the room — I think what these black men think is, ‘Well, if I just get the money and I just get the capital — therefore I will be equal, and I will be treated equally.’ They’re in for a rude awakening because it doesn’t work that way. That’s not how it works, and women know that — especially black women, they know that. So, I think these men, honestly, are being bamboozled. They’re being played by the Trump folks.

    • leon

      Don Lemon says Black men are stupid?

      • juris imprudent

        Only Black men who don’t know their place.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Lemon is such an incredibly arrogant douchebag.

    • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

      There are some juicy quotes in there for Trump to use to convince black men to switch team.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Unlike black women, who are the most educated of the voting bloc

      OBEY YOUR IDENTITY

    • Bobarian LMD

      , except for people who have a ton of money in the bank

      So Don Lemon is voting for Trump?

    • Chipwooder

      Call me crazy but, despite his skin tone, Don Lemon doesn’t strike me as the most plugged-in guy when it comes to the beliefs of the average American black man.

      Also, I’m sure that calling them morons who are being duped will get them running to vote for Drooling Corruptocrat, toot sweet.

      • The Other Kevin

        I think a bunch of white suburban kids burning down black businesses in the name of racial justice has opened more than a few eyes.

      • peachy rex

        While being cheered on by Democrat politicians. The Cook County State’s Attorney race features a black female Democrat against a white male Republican – and it’s almost within margin of error in the polls. A whole bunch of respectable citizens are very very angry – and not in the way Don Lemon thinks they are (and should be.)

      • kinnath

        The only thing worse than deplorables is being duped by deplorables.

      • juris imprudent

        What could you possibly mean – that some/ANY employee of CNN might not be just another working stiff?

    • Ted S.

      If no black guy Lemon knows is voting for Trump, does that make him Pauline Kael?

  30. The Late P Brooks

    The panel’s 12 Republican members voted in favor of Barrett’s nomination and all 10 Democratic members boycotted the hearing and did not vote.

    This proves the illegitimacy of this appointment, and clears he way for President Biden to remove her from the Court and appoint a bona fide legal scholar, who might just completely coincidentally be a Democrat.

  31. The Late P Brooks

    So, I think these men, honestly, are being bamboozled. They’re being played by the Trump folks.

    [insert Redd Foxx “Who you callin’ dummy, Dummy?” clip]

  32. Certified Public Asshat

    Why haven't you seen any stories from NPR about the NY Post's Hunter Biden story? Read more in this week's newsletter➡️ https://t.co/CJesPgmGvo — NPR Public Editor (@NPRpubliceditor) October 22, 2020

    We all know NPR has no biases.

    • leon

      Of course NPR doesn’t have biases. It is paid for by public funds so it has to be unbiased. Therfore anything you hear on NPR is unbaised.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      The handful of stories that NPR has produced about the NY Post investigation have been limited to how Facebook and Twitter are restricting distribution of the story or how families of those seeking treatment for addiction are impacted by the portrayal of Hunter Biden’s struggle.

      It’s not about power and corruption. It’s about struggle and dependency.

      What a fucking crock.

      • leon

        I tell you what, making 50k a month is quite the struggle.

      • kinnath

        50K is gross. After dad’s cut, federal taxes, state taxes, and FICA, there’s hardly anything left.

      • cyto

        Among the many layers of this that are gross, I put our libertarian journalist class at the top. Not because they have any control over anything, but because they’re supposed to be one of us.

        It looks like they’re coalessing around a story that this whole Biden kerfuffle is a nothing burger. Basically, they are doing mental gymnastics to say that this is just his family trading off of his name, but there is nothing actually there. As if all of these people are paying millions of dollars to get nothing in return.

        Well, then there is ENB. “Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said this week that there’s no evidence the emails are an attempt by Russia to meddle in the 2020 U.S. election. (There’s also no evidence they actually came from Hunter Biden, aside from the word of Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani, who passed them to the Post.)”

        How was this morning, long after it was far too late to be trying that stupid line.

      • leon

        le sigh.

        You can’t get invited to the cocktail parties if you call out people using public office to get rich. The idea that this was just H Biden getting rich off his dad name for no return is silly. Why would people pay for nothing, as you say.

        And no, we have plenty of people corroborating that these are Hunters Emails. So i’d say the onus is now on Biden to proffer evidence that they are not.

      • Nephilium

        Why would people pay for nothing, as you say.

        /looks at people buying cosmetics in Free to Play games

        No idea.

        /yes, I know they are paying to have something they think looks cool, but that ruins the joke.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I haven’t commented on TOS in years, but that deserved a response.

      • Fatty Bolger

        It’s hard out here for a political pimp.

  33. Mad Scientist

    Taco Bell is my pantry.

  34. The Late P Brooks

    how families of those seeking treatment for addiction are impacted by the portrayal of Hunter Biden’s struggle.

    That rich and powerful family is just like mine!

    • The Other Kevin

      Hookers, crack, and multimillion dollar sweetheart deals are part of Biden’s working class values.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Who knew Scranton was so bitchin?

      • leon

        A crack in every home and a hooker in every pot?

      • Bobarian LMD

        There’s a surprise in every box of Crack-Ho Jacks!

  35. Semi-Spartan Dad

    We’ve been stocking the pantry using Aldi’s and Costco. The wiped-out shelves and food lines earlier this year was a reminder to me that ammo isn’t the only thing I should be stockpiling.

    I’ve been buying 18 lbs of rice and 16 lbs of pinto beans at a time from Aldi, Then send the wife in to do the same. Every order from Costco gets tuna, canned chicken, and jars of peanut butter added. Plus the 20 lb bags of Basmati. Not pantry-food, but we’ve also been putting away OTC medications, bleach, soap, and tp.

    If we don’t face food shortages again, I’ll spend a few bucks to store the rice and beans in buckets with an oxidizer that should last a few decades.

    • KOVIDKristen

      What do you use as an oxidizer?

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        You can buy them cheap on Amazon. Or they are often included with mylar bags if you get these to line the buckets.

    • EvilSheldon

      Smart.

  36. cyto

    Someone clipped out the relevant bit from the 60 minutes interview.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hagstrom_Anders/status/1319314523162107905

    “It cannot be verified”

    I mean, it is literally impossible. How could one possibly verify a laptop?

    Unlike say, and allegation that someone had said something in front of multiple witnesses. Like, that is totally verified, even though every single person who is actually there says it didn’t happen.

    Orwell was an optimist.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Was that what they said about the Steel dossier?

      • cyto

        Or the tax returns. or the Atlantic story about insulting dead veterans. Or Trump is crazy because he said his wires are being tapped. Or Brett Kavanaugh attends gang rape parties. Or Nick sandman viciously attacked in innocent native American elder?

      • Rebel Scum

        Trump praised nazis and white-supremes. It is known.

      • cyto

        Tonight should be epic.

        They control the moderator. And the microphone. And the fact check. And the topics.

        They would have to work really hard to do a better impression of Big Brother.

      • The Other Kevin

        The media is about as popular as a fart in church. I’m thinking they’re the ones who will be on trial tonight.

      • Idle Hands

        No that was what they call a mixed bag and they didn’t actually report on what it said till buzzfeed had the journalistic integrity to publish it. We were inudated for weeks about the thing in every publication dropping hints and innuendo that it was bad without them actually talking about the contents.

    • Drake

      She’s screeching it like a mantra. She knows the FBI already verified that it’s Biden’s and recipients of those emails have already verified that they received them.

    • Chipwooder

      Terry McAuliffe? NO WAY! I can’t believe he’s involved in corruption!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I find the mention of his name pretty much absolute proof that it was corruption. He doesn’t do anything else.

      • Idle Hands

        The sad thing is he’s was a better gov than coonman.

      • Rebel Scum

        Looks like a who’s who of top/influential Dems.

        In what was McAuliffe allegedly involved? I’ve heard he has a tight relationship with the Clintons.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        He was their bagman for years.

        He’s also been implicated in pay-for-play as governor of Virginia.

      • Rebel Scum

        pay-for-play as governor of Virginia.

        So he will be filling McDonnel’s old jail cell, right? ///jk

        I crack myself up.

      • leon

        Didn’t he recieve a donation from the clintons, and his wife just happened to be one of the FBI agents working on the Trump case? or lawyers? cant remember.

    • Idle Hands

      This starting to hit too many of my cognitive checks offs for “too good to be true” democratic oppo research. We are one email away from Hunter talking about how much Joe hates the darkies and Jews for it too hit literally every single one.

      • leon

        Note that this email/document is actually unrelated to the laptop AFAIK. So both the laptop can be true and this a complete fabrication.

        I agree, seems to good to be true. I’m skeptical

  37. DEG

    Yummy.

    Salsa? I have a recipe from BeerAdvocate for a spicy pork stew. The liquid is a salsa and beer, plus enough water to cover everything. The salsa is tomatillos, hot sauce, a mix of peppers (pablano and jalapeño if I remember correctly), onions, and cilantro. It’s quite tasty, though folks that don’t like cilantro will disagree.

  38. dbleagle

    The freezer always has a 3lb box of whole calamari, frozen fruit from the yard (apple bananas and mangos), black rum, and gin.

    The pantry always has several cans of crushed tomatoes, an unopened olive oil, several cans of blackeye peas, and glass noodles stored in sealed containers.

    The fridge always has cous-cous, eggs, plain yogurt, champagne, and salsa. Garlic, zucchini, shallot are always being used so purchased each week.

    • pistoffnick

      “…3lb box of whole calamari…”

      The Costco in Kailua had frozen whole suckling pigs. I was tempted to buy one just to gross out the kids.

      The grocery stores in Hawaii also had 15 different kinds of Spam. I came home with several in my suitcase.

  39. Nephilium

    I don’t think I’ve seen this mentioned here today, but we’ve lost James Randi.

    • pistoffnick

      *bends spoon with my mind in his honor*

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      That’s just what he wants you to believe.

    • Fatty Bolger

      Aw, man. I read Flim Flam when I was a teenager, and used to read his blog all the time back in the early days of the web.

    • The Other Kevin

      I have some of his books that I collected in the 80’s. Back then you had to go to a book store and they had to hunt them down for you.

    • DEG

      RIP

  40. Drake

    The real polls are starting to come out. They can’t fake them any longer or else nobody will even be tempted to believe them next time. Trump ahead of where he was 4 years ago.

    • Sean

      Shhhhhhh! Don’t ruin the surprise.

    • leon

      At this same time in the first term of his failed presidency, Barry Obama sat at 50 percent in this same poll. Obama was reelected, and right now Trump is polling two points higher.

      Never Change Breitbart.

  41. Timeloose

    When did every non right leaning site remove comments?

    • Mad Scientist

      What’s there to comment about? The site already told you what to think.

    • Drake

      When right-wingers wrecked everything! It was quite the tell when NRO started moderating comments via Facebook.

  42. Certified Public Asshat

    So thrilled to share that I’m joining the editing team at @reason next week! I’ve read and respected Reason for years, so this is a real dream come true ?— Fiona Harrigan (@Fiona_Harrigan) October 21, 2020

    Reason trying to lure us back?

    • leon

      Edits things @reason
      | Openness Fellow @yvadv
      | Research @aier
      | Lover of languages, liberty, and New England sports

      New England? Yuck.

  43. leon

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/22/lesley-youve-discredited-yourself-trump-posts-full-60-minutes-interview/

    Holy Fuck, is Lesley Stahl sounds like a complete propogandist.

    TRUMP: “What can’t be verified?”

    STAHL: “The laptop!”

    TRUMP: “Why do you say that?”

    STAHL: “Because it can’t be verified.”

    TRUMP: “The family, on the laptop — He’s gone into hiding for five days.”

    STAHL: “Well he’s preparing for your debate.”

    Yeah parrot that excuse straight from the Biden Campaign…

    And:

    “Do you want to lock her up?” Stahl asked.

    “Of course not,” the president said.

    Several moments later, Stahl asked again.

    “So you don’t want to lock up Governor Whitmer.”

    “When did I say ‘lock her up’?” Trump asked. “Of course I don’t want to lock her up … I never said it.”

    “So you don’t want to lock up the governor,” Stahl repeated.

    “Lesley, it’s such a viscous thing you just said.”

    What do reporters think that if they just ignore when someone answers the question, they are going to come off looking good? No i think it’s because she knows if she asks 3 times, they can cut the first two and make it look like he avoided the question when she asked. TMITE.

    • Ted S.

      Did Trump really accuse Stahl of saying something sticky?

      • leon

        adj.
        Having relatively high resistance to flow.
        adj.
        Viscid; sticky.
        Glutinous; clammy; sticky; adhesive; tenacious.

        Clearly he was remarking about her mental capabilities to not understand that he had already answered the question.

    • KOVIDKristen

      Yep. No different than multiple takes in sitcoms or movies.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      5 days to prep for a debate.

    • Fatty Bolger

      No i think it’s because she knows if she asks 3 times, they can cut the first two and make it look like he avoided the question when she asked.

      I guess that’s why they’re whining about his releasing the entire unedited interview ahead of the show. lol