Thursday Morning Links

by | Nov 12, 2020 | Daily Links | 404 comments

Bunch of Maryland pussies.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Maryland, you bastards. Well, at least The Masters is about to start. Let’s see how that goes. With the way DeChambeau is playing, it might be a blowout.  But golf is a weird sport. And he’s a weird guy.  Anything could happen.

What a pretty lady.

Women’s rights activist Elizabeth Cady Stanton was born on this day. She shares it with sculptor Auguste Rodin, argon discoverer John William Strutt, Nazi piece of shit Amon Goth, beer magnate Joseph Coors, lovely actress (and royalty too!) Grace Kelly, psychopath Charles Manson, sportscaster Al Michaels, butthurt Canadian singer Neil Young, nutcase politician Hassan Rouhani, tiresome writer Naomi Wolf, white hispanic (at times) baseball player Sammy Sosa, figure skating trailer trash Tonya Harding, actor Ryan Gosling, and the lovely looking Anne Hathaway.

Man, what a fucked up list.  Anyway, on to…the links!

Fact check: true

I’m gonna rephrase the headline for accuracy: Joe Biden hates the Fifth and Sixth Amendments and doesn’t want them to apply to men on college campuses. Because that’s what this is about. I guess these assholes don’t think it’s possible to sympathize with alleged victims and at the same time ensure the rights of the accused are respected.

They’re leaving a lot out of this headline too. Like how you’re not allowed to have more than 10 people IN YOUR OWN HOME at any given time. Also, I always wonder, why do they always set start dates for these urgent and totally necessary orders a few days out? If they’re so urgent, why not impose them immediately? Oh yeah, because they’re more about controlling people than a virus.  Also, Cuomo is an anti-Semite, so expect the Jewish community to have these orders enforced on them a lot more harshly than others.

Oh wait, it said Crips, not Creeps. My bad. This photo probably doesn’t make sense now.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Thanks, DM. I needed that.

The state’s budget is a metaphor for his waistline. Or vice versa. Either way, cuts are needed. Drastic cuts.

Uh, no shit buddy. “It’s shocking that as temps drop, viruses spread in urban areas.  Absolutely shocking!” said nobody ever.

This shouldn’t be surprising. Sadly, the blame is placed on the wrong people.  I swear, people should be showing up en masse at school boards with torches and pitchforks. Instead they’re suing the people who have a responsibility to maintain operations for their shareholders and customers.

A decent one hit wonder. Right at the end of a generation of great music.  Hope you enjoy it.

Now get out there and have a great day, friends!

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  1. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Good morning everyone, let’s see if we can spot the cognitive dissonance here:

    Dear Trump voters:
    I have always been an Independent voter. Most of my tendencies are to the center.
    While I certainly have some liberal views – including in regards to equal rights for people of all races, genders and sexual preference – I disagree with many of the views of folks furthest out on the left. I am, for instance, a capitalist.
    And I know that even more moderate politicians, both Democrat and Republican, sometimes engage in lies or hypocrisy. Trump has also, at least modestly, influenced my views on a few things, even if I think he normally carries out his policies clumsily. I tell you this to indicate I am not some blind partisan.
    Now, for anyone who is the slightest bit impartial, it has to be clear that Trump has always had authoritarian tendencies. If you voted for him, despite that, because you liked his policies…then so be it.
    But now you need to finally stand up for democracy or else you’re complicit in trying to help him do a run around on democracy. You were entitled to your vote, but you are not entitled to be complicit in reducing the weight of my vote. Whether you understood before that Trump was an authoritarian, or are just finally understanding it now, it is time for you to speak up.
    Is Trump entitled to recounts and pressing any valid allegations of voting improprieties? Sure.
    Is it okay that he makes false arguments about fraud, that he won the election and makes stupid arguments that his lead in certain states couldn’t evaporate as votes were counted? Absolutely not.
    Will he be able to find a way to hold onto a second term? Probably not. But he clearly is going to try to do everything he can to find a way, even if it violates our history of free and fair elections. And I don’t want to take the chance that he succeeds.
    Are you okay that he’s doing that? Are you okay with his scorched earth policy, which includes firing his Secretary of Defense that didn’t back up all of his past uses of force?
    You may have justified voting for Trump because of his policies. Or maybe his demagoguery convinced you that all Biden voters and his policies were extremely far left. Well, I can assure that just as Trump supporters are not all white supremacists, Biden voters are not some monolithic group of communist anarchists. So please don’t make any argument that the ends (if Biden wins it will be the end of America as we know it) justify the means (Trump trying to wrongfully cling to power).
    So I ask you to please use your voice to speak against Trump trying to do a run around the normal workings of the electoral college (and popular vote) in order to retain power. Speak up to your representatives and senators in both the state legislatures and Congress (and, if you see fit, speak up on social media). As someone who voted for Trump, your views will hold much more weight than those of us who didn’t. Otherwise you are basically backing a king and how dare you take away my right to vote in free and fair elections.
    If you voted for Trump but aren’t willing to contact your elected officials in this matter, then I ask that you please unfriend me. I might still conduct business with you and I would certainly help you if you were bleeding in the street or otherwise in distress. But if you don’t speak up, then any affection or interest I had in you and your life doesn’t really exist anymore, because you obviously do not respect my views or rights.

    • Tres Cool

      I read most of that, but then I got a sharp pain behind my R eye, and my arm went numb.

      • Nephilium

        Do you smell toast?

      • Tres Cool

        Dark coffee. But Ive been up since midnight and drinking.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        ☕️? Cheers, big ears!

      • Agent Cooper

        You have a Republican eye? Weird.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      FB acquaintance?

      Authoritarian how exactly?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        How’d you guess? Went to college with him.

        I think most people feel that Trump is authoritarian because he didn’t bend the knee to the administrative state. When in fact, the administrative state has been attempting an overthrow of the elected office.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        “Dear dillhole,

        Your sanctimonious condescension is rich. I have no interest in playing the role of cordial loser to the party of #resist and #notMyPresident. Go suck an egg.

        Smooches,
        Scruffy”

        Feel free to use whichever parts you find most useful.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        That’s my comment on every NPR article.

    • blackjack

      Trump is my kind of authoritarian. And yes, I do not respect your views.

    • leon

      No one has ever claimed the election was stolen or rigged before.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        He’s trying to have it both ways.

        My response:

        You’re simultaneously claiming that Trump should have his day in court and that his voters should contact their representatives to convince him to concede. Not sure what you expect here. If Trump cannot prove his case in court, then he should go. The country has listened to four years of Russian interference and subsequent fruitless investigations based on fabrications, I think waiting until the courts and the electoral college perform their respective functions over the next month isn’t unreasonable. Unreasonable is the fact that Michael Flynn is still in court, particularly since the not-yet president-elect’s transition team is now doing exactly what he was investigated for in the first place.

    • sloopyinca

      Sorry, I don’t read copypasta.

    • sloopyinca

      You posting that is the blogging equivalent of “oh God, this tastes like shit. Here, try it.”
      ???

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I’m the sharing type.

      • AlexinCT
    • LemonGrenade

      That, that right there is what I like the least about social media. Having to read those stupid open letters to Trump voters, or [insert your opinion here]. What sort of person feels the need to write shit like that to their ostensible friends? Lots of people are heading to Parler, etc, but I think I’m just going to let the account go zombie and stop with social media. It just provides one more platform for self-righteous pricks to yell at me.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The format is:

        1. Establish cred
        2. Indicate sympathy
        3. Concern troll
        4. Make threat

      • LemonGrenade

        It’s so incredibly narcissistic. “If you cared about me… you’d mindlessly agree with whatever I think.” I’ve dumped boyfriends who tried to pull that shit, why would I let some rando guilt me into something based on my supposed affection for them? I always just keep scrolling, but whenever I see one of those, I mutter, “Fuck off, slaver.”

      • Jerms

        I signed up for Parler and i dont understand what to do.
        As soon as i signed up Mark Levin started sending me messages every ten minutes. I read them and move on. I just dont get it. Is it like twitter cuz i never tried that yet.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      If you voted for Trump but aren’t willing to contact your elected officials in this matter, then I ask that you please unfriend me. I might still conduct business with you and I would certainly help you if you were bleeding in the street or otherwise in distress. But if you don’t speak up, then any affection or interest I had in you and your life doesn’t really exist anymore, because you obviously do not respect my views or rights.

      This asshole sure has a lot of demands.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        Puh-leaze. He ain’t gonna be helping shut. He’s the kind of personality that will end up using “i was just following orders” as an excuse despite being extra despicable to the people he’s herding into cattle cars.

    • Rebel Scum

      Trump has always had authoritarian tendencies.

      Can you provide an example that would be outside the norm of the past few presidents?

      Trump trying to do a run around the normal workings of the electoral college

      He isn’t.

      (and popular vote)

      Lol, you moron.

  2. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of the criminally insane (not to mention mind-bogglingly stupid)

    A nationwide lockdown would drive the number of new cases and hospitalizations down to manageable levels while the world awaits a vaccine, he told Yahoo Finance on Wednesday.

    “We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers, for losses to small companies, to medium-sized companies or city, state, county governments. We could do all of that,” he said. “If we did that, then we could lock down for four to six weeks.”

    It could work. Especially as a national weight loss plan. Or will the government just pull food out of its magic hat?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      I’m ashamed that I ever took that asshat seriously.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        “Yeah well, be sure to take pride in some of that fat, porky!”

      • Gdragon

        “220, 221, whatever it takes!”

    • blackjack

      Not an authoritarian at all..

    • sloopyinca

      How are they gonna determine who gets paid what? They make me shut down for an entire auction cycle, do they plan on stroking me one big-ass check? Or am I gonna get $600 a week like everyone else and get told how demanding what I’d have actually earned is being selfish?
      Man, fuck these fascist fucks.

      • Fourscore

        I’ve been unemployed for 30 years. I want my money and I want it now, including back pay. I’m up for the $600 a week, I’ll forgo the interest ’cause I’m not greedy.

    • Sean

      city, state, county governments

      This is the true goal.

      • Cy

        Yep. This is the extra double Fuck you to the governments that didn’t boot to neck their citizens. They’re going to make everyone participate so they cna justify some ridiculous Blue state/city bail out.

    • leon

      Well of course the groceries store
      Would be open and everyone would be allowed to transmit the virus to each other there.

    • Rebel Scum

      number of new cases

      Irrelevant.

      and hospitalizations

      Show me the evidence.

      • R C Dean

        Hospitalizations are definitely up in AZ. Not to the level we had in July, but we’ve gone from high single digits for COVID to nearly 50.

      • blighted_non_millenial

        System I work for in GA is definitely up, but by about half of what the “models” and “experts” said we should be. No idea on ICU or deaths, that info isn’t making it down to IT plebes anymore.

      • Agent Cooper

        Hospitalizations also include you checked in, we looked you over and gave you some treatment, and then sent you home after about 3 hours.

        ICU and death rates are the most important and those have still been within the same range as a month ago here.

      • R C Dean

        Our ICU rates are up. Death rate is slightly elevated, I believe.

        We had some idiot on our medical staff ask us if we had a plan to deal with a surge of COVID patients.

        “Err, yeah. We just did that, you know.”

    • WTF

      After they lied about “just 2 weeks to flatten the curve” why would we believe this would actually end after 4 to 6 weeks?

      • leon

        “My fellow Scrantonites :elbowed from Jill: Americans, i wish i could say that our long suffering is over, but due- due- due- to unfortunate shnresistance of thshe who don’t wanna- that don’t belive- wanna challeng the expert science, we are going to extend these covid measures until we have beatten them. The virus.”

  3. Sean

    Good song.

  4. Count Potato

    “I’m gonna rephrase the headline for accuracy: Joe Biden hates the Fifth and Sixth Amendments and doesn’t want them to apply to men on college campuses.”

    Biden also was behind the VAWA.

  5. The Late P Brooks

    Are you okay with his scorched earth policy, which includes firing his Secretary of Defense that didn’t back up all of his past uses of force?

    That was my favorite part.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      I am interested in Trump’s beef with Esper. I highly doubt I will ever get an accurate telling of it.

      • Swiss Servator

        Slow walking the withdrawal from AF.

      • Gender Traitor

        Trying to FORCE those troops to withdraw! Unforgivable!

      • Fourscore

        …and unforgettable, that’s what he is…

      • Count Potato

        Biden will send them back.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I’m assuming AF means Afghanistan.

      • AlexinCT

        All foreign shitholes…

        The “S” is silent..

      • Jarflax cancelled Cancelled

        Shitholes are seldom silent.

      • Nephilium

        But frequently are deadly.

    • Agent Cooper

      “his past uses of force?”

      Like what, exactly? Bombing an airfield in Syria one time, or …

  6. Rebel Scum

    The Trump administration’s Title IX regulations prioritize students accused of sexual misconduct instead of their accusers, victims’ advocates say.

    What is “due process”?

    • leon

      Victims advocate saying that no accused person should be treated like a human. Color me shocked.

      • R C Dean

        I don’t think it’s “victim advocates” pushing it.

      • juris imprudent

        Even if he didn’t victimize this woman he is bound to do it to someone else, so the punishment is just. /title IX specialist

  7. The Late P Brooks

    Authoritarian how exactly?

    If we look at what he did with the EPA, for example, by relaxing regulations, President Cartoon Villain sought nothing less than to coerce Americans to actively rape and destroy the environment and turn the earth into an uninhabitable cinder.

  8. The Late P Brooks

    Man, fuck these fascist fucks.

    Calm your tits. They’re saving you from an horrific death.

  9. The Late P Brooks

    Victims advocate saying that no accused person should be treated like a human. Color me shocked.

    Revenge delayed is revenge denied.

  10. Count Potato

    “Tucker Carlson reveals list of 25 dead people he says voted in the election as Nevada’s Trump campaign co-chair doubles down on claim they’ve found fraud but don’t know how widespread it is”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8940473/Tucker-Carlson-reveals-list-dead-people-says-voted-election.html

    “Kayleigh McEnany reveals more affidavits will be released as she doubles down on ‘election fraud’ claiming votes for Trump were changed and 120-year-olds voted”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8940835/Kayleigh-McEnany-reveals-affidavits-released-doubles-election-fraud.html

    That’s “voter fraud” not “election fraud”. Now, I’m sure voter fraud happens. It always does. However, it is election fraud that is way more serious.

    • UnCivilServant

      Pray tell, where do you draw the line between the two? How many grains of sand make a heap?

      • sloopyinca

        Voter fraud happens individually. Election fraud is coordinated.

      • Count Potato

        It’s not a matter of quantity. Voter fraud is deliberately casting illegal ballots. Election fraud is deliberately miscounting or changing the numbers.

        If either of these or true

        http://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-1/

        https://www.bitchute.com/video/scUpSRkNoJ9g/

        that there fractional weighing was built into the software; or that the numbers could be changed via internet, or by so many people at so many points, then election fraud is too easy not to have occurred.

      • Endless Mike

        Voter fraud involves voters – Election fraud involves the counters.

      • Not Adahn

        Not sure about sand, but for Russian composers, the answer is five.

    • R C Dean

      Is this like that weather, not climate, thing?

      • leon

        We’re getting to “the rooshins flipped the votes!!” Levels of conspiracy. That needs a lot of proof for me to begin to believe.

      • Count Potato

        I don’t think so. From what I can tell, election fraud is so easy, expecting people not to do is like expecting a crackhead not to pick up a $20 bill laying on the sidewalk.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        Yep. It’s interesting that Texas reviewed the Dominion voting machines in 2019 and refused to use them after having concerns about the machines being “suitable for its intended purpose; operates efficiently and accurately; and is safe from fraudulent or unauthorized
        manipulation”
        https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/forms/sysexam/dominion-d-suite-5.5-a.pdf

        So legitimate concerns about these machines being used for election fraud are already out there and documented before all this went down.

      • mrfamous

        That’s kind of it. Always has been, though. If you don’t want to check IDs, and you want mass mail-in balloting and you want everybody who walks in to be able to cast a ballot with the claim that you’ll check them after the election to see if they were valid (which they never do) and you want election officials to be able to collect the mail-in/absentee ballots themselves from the voters and bring them to the polling places…

        …well yeah, the people who have invested their entire lives to obtaining higher office are gonna use these ridiculously lax rules to their advantage. Theoretically both sides cheating their asses off should even out, but the Democratic control of all the large population bases makes their efforts far more fruitful.

        The only thing that’s changed about 2020 is how much mass mailing ballots were done “because” of the goddamned virus. Theoretically that’s greatly expanded the Democrats advantage by jacking up turnout in precisely those areas which are to their advantage.

        The best way to fix this, I suppose, would be to find all of the instances of _Republicans_ doing this and prosecuting them. Then use that as a pretext to put a stop to it all. Unfair? Absolutely. But as of 2020, I’m a little light on sympathy for folks claiming how unfair things are.

      • leon

        Answer me this. Where is this data coming from? How can they tell a vote was “Switched” how can the tell a vote was “Destroyed”. These are basic questions that anyone who is writing about this should be able to answer, but i can’t seem to figure out. If we have the data, where is it so anyone can look at it?

      • UnCivilServant

        The problem with Pede’s work is that it’s the feed to the news stations, not the actual voting machines data. That’s not probitive in and of itself.

      • db

        Exactly. To use this as proof of vote switching, one would have to establish the path the data takes from the counting stations through Edison to the NYT.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        The article Cy linked to has a walkthrough of the analyses used and links to where the data comes from. I don’t know if either are credible, but the data and analysis methods are presented for anyone to take a look.

      • db

        I downloaded the data and scripts, and the results of the script correspond to the results posted there, but the big question is where do the data come from, are they true time series fed right from the counting systems, and do the supposed changes really mean what he says they mean. I’m skeptical, to say the least. What causes a subtraction of votes from one candidate in these supposed time series is another question. In principle, there should never be a reduction in votes absent a mistake in entering the data.

        The only thing that can really resolve these questions is a hand audit of actual ballots. If the so called “changes” were initiated in the counting software, as described in the blackboxvoting.org series and video, the hand recount would work. If there were actual insertion of fradulent ballots and the provenance of them could not be verified, then a hand count will just reaffirm the reported results.

      • Count Potato

        The one thing that stick out the most to me are the cases where Bidens numbers go up at the exact time Trumps go down, by the same number of votes, at the same time.

      • Cy

        There should be something in the programming about the ability to change the numbers. Whether it be through a manual intervention and algorithm or even a form of AI. Maybe an obvious mismatch in the origination/destination numbers.

        I remember reading something about how scorecard intercepts the packets to/from voting terminal and poll counting servers. If that were true, it would simply come down to manually counting all of the votes.

        I really hope this doesn’t get quickly memory holed as soon as a clear winner is determined. This needs to be investigated heavily and I know that takes a lot of time and funds.

      • db

        I work a lot with systems designed to capture time series data on chemical and other industrial manufacturing processes. Almost without exception, the systems are designed to allow editing the time series data, but it is impossible to do so without setting a flag on each edited/altered data point. Even if you open the data point for editing and just simply re-enter the original data, that point is flagged as altered.

        One would think an election system would recognize the importance of such a thing.

        Imagine if election systems had to abide by the same QA/QC practices as automotive parts and pharmaceutical manufacturers. GMP for elections?

      • leon

        Are you kidding. Any kind of Integrity of the electoral process is Voter Suppression!

      • Count Potato

        It shouldn’t be more complicated than an adding machine hooked up to a scanner.

        It should not be on the internet.

      • Cy

        I get it. What we’re seeing is smoke. A LOT OF FUCKING SMOKE. But at some point, saying “I wonder if there’s any fire over there” makes you look a bit silly.

        In the article he goes over how he used the number on the timestamps. I understand what he did and his outcomes. I don’t know about the accuracy or authenticity of his original information. I’m not a Voter Fraud inspector or a journalist or a YouTube personality or a constitutional scholar or a lawyer or an accountant or an FBI cocksucker… hell I havne’t even ran drugs for the CIA in my lifetime. But, I know what a spade looks like. I know when I’m being pissed on.

      • db

        The data and scripts he used are linked in his article. The article itself is a jumble of random thoughts and assertions, so it’s really difficult to understand what he’s claiming.

      • Endless Mike

        I don’t think “Pede” is the best shorthand for “Centipede”, especially in this election year…

  11. Apples and Knives

    “A decent one hit wonder. Right at the end of a generation of great music. Hope you enjoy it.”

    I loved that whole album when it came out.

    Another good one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ie4x8hWYYE

    • mrfamous

      “Stutter” is indeed the one I remember. It’s actually on my music shuffle rotation.

  12. Rebel Scum

    Starting Nov. 13, bars and restaurants in New York will be required to close at 10 p.m.

    Viruses are like Mogwai.

    • Sean

      Fuzzy and adorable?

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      “And never, ever, get them wet.”

      (I never saw that movie…)

      • Rebel Scum

        “Don’t feed them after midnight.”

      • robc

        Its a good movie…that I havent seen in 30 years, so maybe it isnt.

      • UnCivilServant

        It depends on the criteria used to call it good. There are certainly things you can point to that are elements of ‘bad movies’ from a craft or storytelling perspective.

        I was entertained by both gremlins movies, that’s good enough for me.

    • Agent Cooper

      I can at least comprehend the logic of later one stays = more one drinks = poorer decision-making = not maintaining distancing/screaming/laughing in faces.

      But no one ever really says that part out loud, do they?

      • R C Dean

        Closes at 10 = slams down drinks before 10 = poorer decision-making = not maintaining distancing/screaming/laughing in faces.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    A glorious future awaits

    The 10 executive actions Biden has said he will take on his first day as president to combat the crisis and reduce emissions are:

    Require limits on methane pollution for oil and gas operations.

    Use the federal government procurement system to work towards 100% clean energy and zero-emissions vehicles.

    Ensure US government buildings and facilities are more efficient and climate-ready.

    Implement the already-existing Clean Air Act, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions from transportation by developing new fuel economy standards to ensure all new sales for light- and medium-duty vehicles will be electrified, and annual improvements for heavy duty vehicles.

    Double down on liquid fuels like advanced biofuels and make agriculture a key part of the solution to the climate crisis.

    Reduce emissions and cut consumer costs through new standards for appliance and building efficiency.

    Require federal permit decisions to consider effects of greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, and ensure every federal infrastructure investment reduces climate pollution.
    Require public companies to disclose climate risks and greenhouse gas emissions in their operations and supply chains.

    Protect biodiversity, slow extinction rates and conserve 30% of America’s lands and waters by 2030.

    Permanently protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, establish national parks and monuments, ban new oil and gas permits on public lands and waters, modify royalties to account for climate costs and creating programs to enhance reforestation and develop renewable energy on federal lands and waters to double offshore wind by 2030.

    Stef Feldman, Biden’s campaign policy director, tells CNN that Biden’s climate plan is an “all-of-government agenda,” and will be worked on across departments and agencies.

    GOOD

    AND

    HARD.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Modify royalties?

      • Jarflax cancelled Cancelled

        Translation: Energy sector go by bye.

    • leon

      “Stef Feldman, Biden’s campaign policy director, tells CNN that Biden’s climate plan is an “all-of-government agenda”

      See I was going to say it looked like every point in there was an opportunity due graft.

    • Rebel Scum

      I can just feel the coming prosperity.

      • Fourscore

        And lots of new batteries for my computer (and flashlight to find it)

        I feel like I took a nap and woke up in a village in 1803, I can’t smell the horse residue yet but it has to be on the way.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        There must be a pony!

      • Jarflax cancelled Cancelled

        In every pot.

    • Plisade

      “Double down on liquid fuels like advanced biofuels and make agriculture a key part of the solution to the climate crisis.”

      IOW, make food producers compete for acreage with gubmint subsidies for ethanol corn. You tried this before, FFS. It wasn’t an unintended consequence then and it won’t be this time.

      • Fourscore

        Doesn’t the fertilizer start out as a petroleum base, then the processing, hauling , storage and application somewhat control the price of this ‘free energy renewable fuel?’.

      • Plisade

        Logistics and production are clearly expenses. But what happened with ethanol was that it was more lucrative for farmers to grow ethanol corn than to grow food. So ag-based food prices went up, supply/demand et al. Gubmint meddling in ag benefits me personally – accurately predicting commodity volatility – but it sucks for the people who think dems are out to save them. I’m sure Biden will just blame greedy capitalists when food prices inflate.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      I’ll propose one. Based on the US Dept of Energy’s recommendations, every Federal Building should be set to 80 degrees for cooling (their 78 plus 2 degrees since we are all about to die).

      • juris imprudent

        Shut off all energy consumption for heating/cooling. No half measures.

      • Fourscore

        “Shut off all energy consumption for heating/cooling” for the deplorables so we can insure that the federal (union) employees are comfortable in their never relenting tasks of doing the people’s work.

    • kbolino

      With an agenda like that, who could have any doubt that Biden really won Pennsylvania?

    • Charlie Suet

      There’s a Beachcomber column from the 1930s where he observes that the Franc is volatile and states that it should be made more stable:

      Prodnose: And how would you achieve that?
      Beachcomber: By a process of stabilisation. You see, one stabilises-
      Prodnose: (Feeling very foolish) Yes, yes I see.

      Quite a lot of politicians’ environmental proposals are like that – they’ll green everything by a process of greening.

      They don’t seem to have any plan beyond creating (more) burdensome legislation that will make things more expensive for consumers and add (more) barriers to entry.

      It’s also amazing how the expansion of the federal government increases the unchecked power of the presidency. It’s like King John making more and more of England a forest, or Charles I saying all counties are subject to Ship Money.

    • leon

      They hoped that with Trump defeated the GOP would revert to 2012. This isn’t about Trump.

      Hence all the concern trolling about how this is unprecedented, they want you to get back in line.

  14. Nephilium

    At least there’s some local pushback against DeWine’s threat to shut down the bars, restaurants, and fitness centers again:

    Cleveland-area restaurant owners express frustration, anxiety, anger over Gov. Mike DeWine’s shutdown threat

    This isn’t to flatten the curve this time, it’s to protect the staff who continue to get infected with the ‘vid.

    /looks at the place that just reopened after remodeling their interior to comply with the old orders

    • trshmnstr the terrible

      I get that I’m not in the middle of it, but we’re i faced with those choices, I’d rather risk them fining my company to death than going out with a whimper. Company’s D E D dead either way.

  15. The Late P Brooks

    What this country needs is more central planning. That’s what “we” voted for, and that’s what “we” are gonna get.

    Vice President Glampers will wipe out inequality, just you wait and see.

    • Fatty Bolger

      And when that doesn’t work, more of the same should fix it.

  16. Stinky Wizzleteats

    It’s a good thing this attitude about heaving due process wasn’t around when you know who was accused of digitally penetrating that one broad right out of the blue. If we apply the same standard the dude’s a rapist.

  17. leon

    We need a poll on when the DOJ (totally not at the direction of Biden) indicts Trump for obstruction of Justice with regards to Mueller:

    A) first 100 days
    B) after midterms
    C) never

    • Rebel Scum

      A)

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      If I was Trump I think I’d relocate to a country that doesn’t have an extradition treaty with us. Maybe he can move in with Snowden and they can do a reality show.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      That might inspire some right-wing rioting, and rightly so.

      But as far as the poll goes, it’s either A or C. B is useless to them politically.

      I’m going with C. Instead they’re going to sic the IRS on him until he dies.

      • SDF-7

        C, but I’d say District Attorney of New York instead. They’re just chomping at the bit to trump up charges on him from what we’ve seen.

        And yeah — if Biden does come out of this the winner, I wouldn’t blame him one bit for getting out of Dodge.

    • Drake

      D) There never is a Biden Administration.

    • juris imprudent

      C) Same reason that Obama’s admin never went after Bush/Cheney – sets a very dangerous precedent

      • blighted_non_millenial

        Politicians are more than happy to set/break precedent if they think it won’t have an impact on them.

      • db

        But this would be like normalizing assasination as a tool of international diplomacy–no way do they expose themselves to that.

      • Charlie Suet

        It would, but I think they’re so arrogant and convinced of their own majesty that they might not think about that. Undermining the 2016 election through fantasies about Russia set a bad precedent. They still did it.

        Their base will be positively screaming for some sort of action.

        They think that tomorrow belongs to them thanks to demographic inevitability and (more plausibly) their control of various agencies. There’s no phlegmatic resignation to the idea that the wheel will turn and they’ll be out of government.

    • KSuellington

      C is the answer. Although the IRS and the NY DA will be all over his ass for the next decade or more. I’m hoping he focuses his energy on creating a new media empire to taunt the shit out of the Dems. His talent for riling people up should not go to waste. I’m looking forward to his grand exit from Twatter.

  18. Tundra

    Good morning, Sloop!

    Thanks for the lynx, especially the pic of Princess Grace. Top five for sure.

    So, our fuckwit gov instituted the 10 person limit, too. I will be violating the shit out of that one in a couple weeks, so we’ll see what kind of enforcement appetite they have. I’m fucking done.

    That’s a good song, but they had more than one. Like this one!

    I wish it was 1993 right about now. Good luck out there, peeps.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      I’d like to be 23 again too.

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      It seems that where I am at the diktats regarding personal behavior are mostly ignored.

      The swamp is deep and Baton Rouge is far.

    • ElspethFlashman

      Nice happy rat as the lead-in photo Sloopy. Thanks, I needed a smile.

    • Apples and Knives

      Yeah, I agree. That’s also a good song. 🙂

  19. Rebel Scum

    The second “new normal”.

    Analysis: Job growth will slow during a Biden presidency: The easy gains are almost gone

    That’s some mighty fine preemptive narrative setting. It is almost like they understand that big-government policy is bad for the economy but they advocate it anyway.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      That’s not so much advocacy as it is coverup.

    • PieInTheSky

      Look slower job growth in the US is a price I am willing to pay for climate change mitigation

    • LJW

      They need to state it now so they can set it up for blaming Trump, rather than the fact that Biden will burden companies with more regulation.

  20. The Late P Brooks

    Hence all the concern trolling about how this is unprecedented, they want you to get back in line.

    Speaking of concern trolling… there was a commercial running (repeatedly) on Pluto this morning as I was checking the weather, about how “unprecedented” and downright shameful it is that Trump hasn’t accepted defeat and turned his keys over to Biden. It featured a series of clips of previous election losers, including Hillary, all of whom were graciously accepting the Will of the People. I imagine we’ll be seeing a lot of that one.

    I expected to see a Lincoln Project credit at the end, but it was some other group I did not recognize.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Bloomberg would be my guess. That shrimp has his hands in everything.

  21. Count Potato

    “Meanwhile, changes in how students communicate with one another have enabled new avenues for harassment.

    “Dating apps like Tinder did not exist, just as an example,” Vitchers said. “It’s just a very different world than it was 10 years ago.””

    OFFS!!

    • PieInTheSky

      Dick pics used to be sent in the mail like God intended

      • Jarflax cancelled Cancelled

        God intended dick to be delivered in person.

  22. Rebel Scum

    Honk honk

    The president creates a perfectly innocuous and gracious post on the occasion of the Marine Corps’ 245th birthday and our big tech masters can’t help but feel the need to troll with their bogus and unrelated “fact check.” These people are clowns.

    • PieInTheSky

      honk honk is a racist dog whistle

    • Count Potato

      WTF?? That’s a new low.

    • Q Continuum

      Easy solution: don’t use Twatter anymore.

      • Count Potato

        Never mind that’s Instagram, how is that a solution? You would have to get everyone else to stop using it.

      • Q Continuum

        The object is to preserve your own sanity, no everyone else’s.

      • Count Potato

        That would be fine if everyone else left minded their own business. They don’t.

    • UnCivilServant

      Well, if you don’t hire on merit, you’re not going to get merit. You’re going to get grifters, wannabes, and nevercans who have the attribute you’ve switched to. Of these, only the wannabes have a shot at ever getting good, but that will end up being curtailed by getting the job too soon and without incentive to improve.

      • kbolino

        What kind of merit could be applicable to working at NYT?

        Judging by the output of that publication of late, getting a bad performance review could be a compliment.

      • leon

        Reviewer: “Maria, we are really disapointed with your coverage of Venezuela”

        Maria: But i was on the ground, getting raw footage and interviewing people in the area.

        R: Yes, but you seemed to lay a lot of blame on Maduro’s Socilalist Policies

        M: Yes… and

        R: We don’t like using that word with negative things. Next time use “State Capitalism” and do try to blame the Yankee Imperialists sometime…

        M: –

        R: Well i think that’s all.

      • kbolino

        In a similar vein,

        A: “You didn’t contribute much to the 1619 Project.”

        B: “I don’t care about the 1619 Project, my parents are from the West Indies”

        A: “It’s very important scholarship”

        B: “It’s nothing but whining white women and geriatric communists”

        A: *shakes head, sighs, gives a bad review*

  23. Q Continuum

    Thot Thursday provides properly distributed adipose tissue.

    https://archive.li/h4YpW

    I hope when Blade Runner becomes a reality that all the Replicants look like #15.

    • l0b0t

      Number 8 is Yay4Cosplay, and she is lovely.

    • prolefeed

      The “Squishy” posts are the best. A lot of Woulds in that archive.

  24. Cy

    Sat down and randomly pulled up “V for Vendetta” to watch with the teen. HOLY SHIT that movie aged well… It definitely has some over the top theatrics but GOD DAMN! Between the virus/fear/media/quarantines/dystopia/riots it was firing on all cylinders.

    • UnCivilServant

      You realize the entire crowd at the end died when the bomb went off and he aborted his own revolution, right?

      • leon

        Still more succesful than the OG Fawkes

      • UnCivilServant

        Always keep your powder dry.

      • leon

        Just maybe not under the parliament building… If you don’t want to be flayed alive.

      • l0b0t

        LONG LIVE THE MARINUS VAN DER LUBBE INTERNATIONAL FIREBOMBING SOCIETY!

      • Surly Knott

        +1
        Also LOL

    • Nephilium

      I finally got the girlfriend to give Mr. Robot a try. I’ve already watched all but the final season, she’s now only just over half way through the first season.

      • Cy

        I haven’t seen this. It shall go on ‘the list.’

      • Nephilium

        It’s on Amazon Prime, and not exactly light or family friendly. It’s about a mentally ill, drug addicted, dysfunctional hacker who works at a security company who has a vendetta against “Evil corp” (yes that’s what they call it in the show, neat little trick for everyone to include their favorite multinational in its place).

      • Not Adahn

        I keep wanting to write a post about how that show along with a handful of others (like Orphan Black) changes how we watch TV. In particular how the ending of The PrisonerOrphan Black only has one plausible interpretation if it were released today.

      • Not Adahn

        Odd copy-paste fail.

        Should be

        In particular how the ending of The Prisoner only has one plausible interpretation if it were released today.

      • UnCivilServant

        And what would that be?

      • Not Adahn

        a) spoiling and
        b) strangling the post before it’s born.

      • Not Adahn

        Excellent show.

    • Idle Hands

      watched 12 monkeys feel like that is more the direction we are going.

  25. Count Potato

    “Norway Has Made Biphobic, Transphobic Speech Illegal

    Buy us a one-way ticket.

    Bi, trans, and nonbinary folks in Norway are celebrating a huge win after the country recently expanded its penal code that previously only protected lesbian and gay people from hate speech to include gender identity and all forms of “sexual orientation.”

    These amendments to the penal code, which was first passed in 1981, comes at a time when the ultra-liberal country has seen a rise in LGBTQ+ hate crimes.

    According to the advocacy group, ILGA-Europe, the bill was approved on its second reading without a vote given that it was already backed by lawmakers on its first reading last week.

    The penal code states that those who are guilty of hate speech face a fine or up to a year in jail for private comments, and a maximum of three years in jail for public remarks. Furthermore, those charged with violent crimes that are motivated by a victim’s orientation or gender identity will receive harsher sentences.

    The amendments expanded the language of the penal code to outlaw discrimination based on “gender, gender identity or expression” while also changing its original “homosexual orientation” language to “sexual orientation” to include those under the bisexual umbrella.”

    https://www.out.com/news/2020/11/11/norway-has-made-biphobic-transphobic-speech-illegal

    Up to a year in jail for private comments?

    • leon

      Biphobic

      This word is hateful to the people who are sexually attracted to 71 of the 72 genders.

    • PieInTheSky

      Up to a year in jail for private comments? – and 6 months if you are just thinking about it

    • Q Continuum

      Orwell was an optimist.

    • kbolino

      Buy us a one-way ticket.

      The rest of us should be so lucky.

    • UnCivilServant

      Are they still using Scandanavian resort prisons?

      You mean I could get the Norwegian taxpayers to support me indefinately in comfort just by insulting alphabet people once a year?

      • Jarflax cancelled Cancelled

        If you commit mass murder you get the resort. If you hate speak you get thrown in a pit with starving dogs.

      • kbolino

        In a totally unforeseeable turn of events, in 20 years Norway’s cadre of “hardened” criminals who all met in prison for hate speech, end up only slightly less effete than the military and government, and take over.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Do the criminals have their own labor union yet?

      • Not Adahn

        Thieves Guild Local #2849?

      • Gustave Lytton

        Oops, it was Sweden and their unionized military I was thinking of.

      • leon

        That sounds like a whole yarn of fun.

      • kbolino

        Norway’s military is also unionized (though I couldn’t find out easily what proportion of members are unionized, it appears to be at least a third, especially officers).

    • juris imprudent

      I see the lawsuit is supported by affidavits. Like the ones cops use to get warrants?

      • juris imprudent

        Just commenting on how much we should trust what someone swears to, even under oath. Perhaps there will in fact be hard evidence produced, something like more votes cast than eligible voters.

      • WTF

        Unlike the cops, the people swearing these affidavits would be subjected to perjury charges if false. So probably not the same.

      • R C Dean

        Like the ones cops use to get warrants?

        I can think of two differences.

        (1) These aren’t affidavits by cops. Some of them are affidavits by pubsecs who have know they are putting a crosshair on themselves (see, e.g., the two hour “interrogation” of the USPS worker who reported his supervisors backdating ballots).

        (2) This isn’t supported by a single affidavit, or maybe two or three, like most warrant applications.

      • juris imprudent

        It could be the affiant here is someone just like us, who is reporting what they saw that probably all but defied belief.

        It could also be some crank, knowing the consequences are low or just not caring.

        I’m going to wait until more proof emerges before I blow up about it.

      • R C Dean

        No question. But at this stage of a lawsuit, when you have zero subpoenas, affidavits are about all you can expect.

        I have seen a couple of the statistical analyses that I found pretty convincing, especially the one showing that the ratio mail-in ballots for each candidate abruptly changed around the time of the inexplicable pause in voting in the 5 swing states. Now, some of what is in the affidavits wouldn’t have caused that, and I suspect that if there were shenanigans that matter they weren’t at the retail level that the affidavits likely describe (haven’t reviewed them, but the ones I’ve heard about sound pretty retail).

        The statistical anomalies are likely driven by something fishy at Vote Count Central. Bad software? Mixing bad ballots previously manufactured for just this eventuality into the mix of uncounted mail-in ballots? Who knows? The latter is probably impossible to unscrew on a recount, but the former shouldn’t be.

        Oh, and as I predicted, PA has destroyed the envelopes necessary to cohort mail-in ballots. Unless they kept them cohorted from the moment they were taken out of the envelope, its just a big undifferentiated pile, in which case a recount can’t unscrew that mess.

      • db

        Are there any statutes that govern chain of custody that prohibit taking actions that prevent establishing the provenance of these ballots?

      • R C Dean

        No idea. This goes to Drake’s burden of proof. Do we assume all ballots are valid unless proven otherwise, or require that ballots be proven to be valid?

        The more doubt Trump’s team can sow about the process, the better their chances of getting the second standard adopted by the courts.

      • Drake

        The burden of proof is going to vary widely by court. Some will expect the states to prove they maintained proper chain of custody.

  26. Rebel Scum

    Joy Reid: Uncle Clarence hates science.

    Justice Clarence Thomas turned to the coronavirus pandemic Tuesday as he interrogated the issue of standing in the Affordable Care Act case at the Supreme Court.

    “Putting the chief justice’s question in today terms: I assume that in most places there is no penalty for wearing a face mask or a mask during Covid, but there is some degree of opprobrium if someone does not wear it in certain settings,” Thomas said. “What if someone violates that command — let’s say it’s in similar terms to the mandate here, but no penalty — would they have standing to challenge the mandate to wear a mask?”

    Michael Mongan, California’s solicitor general, who is defending Obamacare, argued that without a threat of enforcement, there can be no harm.

    How is it a mandate if there is no enforcement?

    • leon

      reports are that SCOTUS is going to save Obamacare again. I guess when you say “Hey this has to be tax or else it’s unconstitional”, and then “Well there’s no tax so it’s not really a mandate so it’s not unconstitional” is squarable.

      In other words: As long as something has a penalty => Ok because it’s a tax. And if there is No Penalty => Ok, because it isn’t a mandate.

      In short there is nothing that congress can’t do via it’s taxing powers, because everything else isn’t law.

      • kbolino

        Oh, there’s lots of things Congress probably can’t do with its taxing powers. For example, I’d only be mildly surprised if a flat tax were struck down for violating equal protection somehow. Heck, we’re probably not that far off from tax cuts being struck down on similar rationale. Also, at least according to the First Circuit, Congress can’t exclude Puerto Rico from SSI benefits even though Puerto Ricans don’t pay personal income taxes, which are the primary source of funds for SSI (found this out yesterday; the case is from May 2020).

      • leon

        I enjoy our system where the courts get to tell the legislature How they _must_ use their delegated powers.

      • kbolino

        There is a certain perverse consistency to it. The Constitution is really only about achieving equality, equality means no disparate outcomes for minority groups, and minority is measured with respect to whatever criteria are currently fashionable to consider.

      • juris imprudent

        That Rubicon was crossed some time ago.

        Without so much as an “I’m sorry” from the judge.

    • PieInTheSky

      I work in a petrol station and my boss is lovely. He’s 39 and married with a little boy. – lovely dudes don’t cheat I would say

    • PieInTheSky

      then again I don;t get things like this. If you go into a relationship you should take all factors into account. 27 and wanting kids and 44 with a vasectomy don;t mix

  27. The Late P Brooks

    Bold strategy

    A Utah man arrested for hitting speeds of 130 mph while driving impaired claimed that he was on his way to kill former Missouri Democrat Senator Claire McCaskill “if she wasn’t dead already,” according to a police affidavit filed early Wednesday morning.

    At 12:45 a.m., a Utah Highway Patrol trooper spotted George William Stahl, 36, from Cottonwood Heights, driving at 115 mph on Interstate 80 in Summit County, according to the affidavit obtained by the Deseret News. Stahl was booked into the Summit County Jail that morning and under investigation for making a threat of terrorism, failing to stop at the command of police, reckless driving, speeding, DUI and drug possession.

    ——-

    Authorities say that Stahl had an empty 12-pack of Budweiser beer in his car, along with another 12-pack that had been partially consumed.

    “Stahl was belligerent and appeared heavily intoxicated… There was an empty 12 pack of Budweiser beer in his vehicle as well as a partially consumed other 12 pack,” said the affidavit. Stahl also told police that he was on Adderall and LSD in addition to the beer.

    He was transported to the North Summit Fire Station to be medically evaluated and began belligerently claiming that he had planned to kill McCaskill.

    “He stated that he was on his way to Missouri to kill (former U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill) if she wasn’t dead already,” Summit County police wrote. “Stahl made several real threats to Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill. He stated that he was on his way to Missouri to kill her several times.”

    Needz moar time travel.

    • leon

      can’t give him the DUI if hes confessed to trying to assassinate a former federal officer

    • Not Adahn

      There was an empty 12 pack of Budweiser beer in his vehicle as well as a partially consumed other 12 pack,

      It’s nice to know we’ve made so much progress as a society. back in the 70s, those empties would have been littered on the roadside.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        +1 lachrymose Italian actor

    • juris imprudent

      He stated that he was on his way to Missouri to kill her several times.

      Well, since he planned to kill her more than once.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      Q is not all about that bass.

      • Jarflax cancelled Cancelled

        Quit carping at him!

      • db

        Yeah, let it skate.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        It’s not your plaice.

      • Fourscore

        I would just flounder

      • juris imprudent

        Pikers, the lot of ye.

      • Cy

        Better than getting catfished.

    • Not Adahn

      +1 Red Snapper

    • leon

      On Tuesday, police said parents of all the babies involved were being kept fully updated on developments and were supported by officers.

      I honestly can’t imagine this. Having a baby die and then being told that the baby may have been murdered by the hospital staff…

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Unfortunately, I can imagine what I might do in response.

    • Semi-Spartan Dad

      The NHS is a slaughterhouse for newborns. The Alder Hey scandal put their vileness out for everyone to see and the British people did not nothing.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Hey_organs_scandal

      In January 2001, the official Alder Hey report (also known as the Redfern Report) was published. A large scale public outcry against the National Health Service resulted when it was revealed that Dutch pathologist Dick van Velzen had systematically ordered the “unethical and illegal stripping of every organ from every child who had had a postmortem” during his time at the hospital.[3] This was ordered even for the children of parents who specifically stated that they did not want a full post-mortem. The report also revealed that over 104,000 organs, body parts and entire bodies of fetuses and still-born babies were stored in 210 NHS facilities. Additionally 480,600 samples of tissue taken from dead patients were also being held. Later that year the General Medical Council (GMC) ruled that van Velzen should be temporarily banned from practising medicine in the UK.

      Furthermore, it emerged that Birmingham Children’s Hospital and Alder Hey Children’s Hospital in Liverpool had also given thymus glands, removed from live children during heart surgery, to a pharmaceutical company for research in return for financial donations. Alder Hey also stored without consent 1,500 fetuses that were miscarried, stillborn or aborted.[4]

      It’s not in the article, but it’s been convincingly alleged that not all babies died naturally when organs or parts were needed.

    • kbolino

      “Was that wrong? Should she not have done that?”

      /NHS ethics review board

    • Pine_Tree

      Prediction/opinion based on previous cases: The hospital figured out what she was doing about halfway into her crimes, and was afraid to say anything for liability reasons. And waited for somebody else to notice and initiate a real investigation.

      • leon

        When healthcare is run by the government, why wouldn’t they act like every other government agency does when there is a criminal in their midst.

      • Drake

        Promote them?

      • leon

        Exactly! The Criminals are the ones who really understand the job of government.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      That’s probably the best definitions of those terms I’ve heard yet.

  28. Not Adahn

    I missed the overnight thread, but one of my “I know I’m successful when” crtieria has been to have enough resources in terms of money, land and free time to have my own flyball team.

    • mrfamous

      I’ve tried to explain to people that politics in the USA (and everywhere) is the same as politics in Afghanistan: bad guys vs bad guys. Even the people who eventually nod and acquiesce, immediately want to start arguing about who the “worse guy” is. The Union side during the Civil War was responsible for massive amounts of pure evil. And they were the ones fighting against the unmitigated evil of slavery.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        It’s a fair point. I would argue that pursuing the slow road to hell is still a valid option over the Autobahn to the Ninth Circle.

      • mrfamous

        While that’s true, that’s a really easy way to wind up arguing yourself back into a “good guys vs bad guys” mindset, thereby opening things up for the “good guys” to seize power. That’s how the Democratic party has grown into the monster that it is: they’ve convinced a whole bunch of people (including my sister) that the Republicans are unspeakably evil and are planning on destroying them all. Think about what they said about Mitt Romney for Christ’s sake.

        Next thing you know, you have Gavin Newsom as dictator of one of the largest economies in the world. If you find yourself on the slow road to hell, you need to turn the fuck around.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I’m all for taking a U-Turn. Unfortunately, well more than half the passengers on the bus do not agree with me.

      • juris imprudent

        Autobahn? You’d let individual drivers chart the course? Oh, no, no, no – we need high-speed rail! Get on that train – woo! woo!

      • leon

        Get on that train – woo! woo!

        I always wonder why socialists love trains so much, but then remember that that is how they get the prisoners to the death camps.

      • leon

        Nothing quite says “we are against slavery” like imposing slavery to force people to fight in your war against slavery.

      • Pine_Tree

        except that…. nevermind

        OK I’ll do it: Civil War I was about congressional voting blocs and control of tax (tariff) and protectionist policy. The slavery nexus was about expansion into new states and territories because it impacted voting-bloc size and power. And secessions finally started when it went past the tipping point and one of the blocs figured out their side would no longer be able to have any impact in the system (permanent majority), so they left.

      • mrfamous

        The Civil War was about slavery to the people who actually fought it. If you’re speaking of the “leaders” of each side, well then it was simply about the pursuit of power like it always is. For some people, that’s their only itch. They disproportionately wind up in government.

      • juris imprudent

        Slavery was doomed without expansion. The South knew that, and I suppose the North did too. When the South lost control of the ability to expand the reach of slavery, they had one choice if they were going to preserve it.

    • leon

      Articles like this are useful to remember that the Republican party has never been the “Party of conservatism” but the party of progressivism that got moved to the right of the party of the Fascist/Socialists (FDR et.al)

      • Fourscore

        …and just when Trump was going to balance the budget in his second term. C’mon people, don’t you like fiscal responsibility?…

        Seems like I remember that, oh so long ago. Was that a dream, too?

    • kbolino

      One shouldn’t forget the influence that Tammany Hall, and Boss Tweed especially had over establishing the modern urban political model. Ironically, New York City in the latter half of the 20th century was less machine-oriented than many other cities, but that was mostly because Tammany Hall foolishly made an enemy of FDR.

      • R C Dean

        Out in less than a year, guaranteed.

      • mrfamous

        20 months, means he’s out (with a bracelet) in 6 and a half months. Probably go on work release (most of the day out, nights and weekends in) after a couple of months.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      That was handled pretty quick, I assume he took a plea?

      • juris imprudent

        From click-thru…

        He pleaded guilty to third-degree assault and felony riot.

        The DA’s office said during his sentencing hearing Monday, Love apologized and expressed remorse for what he had done.

        In addition to his time in prison, Love will have to complete 36 months of probation along with alcohol treatment.

      • R C Dean

        alcohol treatment

        I didn’t need a court order for that.

        Oh, you mean anti-alcohol treatment? Come and get some, copper!

  29. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of shows:

    Currently watching Utopia. I like it. I especially like the

    Tried watching Tales From the Loop(?). Unbearably slow. Couldn’t stand it.

    I tried Mr Robot a long time ago and didn’t make it through the first episode. I think it was the kkkapitalism bad stuff that put mr off it.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Tales From The Loop was supremely irritating. While plots shouldn’t be rushed, I shouldn’t be falling asleep while watching.

      See also the third season of Hannibal.

    • Raven Nation

      Did you (or anyone else) watch Dick’s Electric Dreams on Prime?

      • Not Adahn

        I haven’t made it through yet. It also has pacing issues.

      • Fatty Bolger

        I did, it was OK. It has hits and misses like most anthologies, but is worth watching if you’re into this sort of thing. It should have been a lot better considering the acting talent they managed to get, but the writing just isn’t at the same level.

      • Raven Nation

        Thanks!

    • Not Adahn

      Go back to Mr. Robot. The lefty crap is really just a MacGuffin.

      • Not Adahn

        Also, the first episode makes it seem like this is going to be a monster of the week procedural, which is a lie. The first few episodes are cranking the car up to the top of the coaster. The ride doesn’t really begin until he goes to buy some smack.

    • Nephilium

      I enjoyed Utopia as well, minus the idiotic disclaimer at the beginning of every episode.

    • Chipwooder

      I’m in the middle of Truth Seekers. It’s pretty good, although I was expecting it to be more of a comedy.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      That’s pretty sweet.

    • Sean

      I like it.

    • Drake

      I can’t imagine ever leaving.

    • Fourscore

      “Permits, please”

      You can’t just do what you want, you know?

    • EvilSheldon

      That is just wonderful. I’m not sure why they put it in the backyard, though. As opposed to in the living room where it belongs…

    • Cy

      What? No pool table? Oh hell no!

    • Ownbestenemy

      Hmm. We can build that and make it look like a shed…yeah that is now my new desire. Screw a pool.

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      Want.

    • TARDis

      Well that is definitely nicer than my Cheers knockoff. But then, I can’t decorate worth a damn

  30. The Late P Brooks

    Derp.

    Utopia- I especially like the “THIS IS A WORK OF FICTION. ANY RESEMBLANCE TO ACTUAL PANICDEMICS, LIVING OR DEAD, IS PURELY COINCIDENTAL” disclaimer.

    • Nephilium

      /raises a mug of coffee

  31. The Late P Brooks

    re: Origins of Vote Fraud

    Let’s get back to cash bribes. Who will start the bidding?

    • leon

      10 bucks?

  32. The Late P Brooks

    “The Drunken Crab”

    I resemble that remark.

  33. Sean

    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/11/12/vista-outdoor-behind/

    Big-name shooting sports company Vista Outdoor Inc. reported “over a year’s worth” of backlogged ammunition orders worth more than $1 billion, an official said recently.

    Vista was reporting its second-quarter earnings when CEO Chris Metz detailed what announced the backlog, which he called “unprecedented” for the company.

    “We currently have over a year’s worth of orders for ammunition in excess of $1 billion,” Metz said during the Nov. 5 call. “With demand far outstripping supply and inventory levels in the channel at all-time lows, we see strong demand continuing, and this metric informs our viewpoint of what a recovery or normalization could look like.”

    More than a year’s worth. Guess prices won’t be normalizing anytime soon.

    • R C Dean

      I expect that if Biden takes office, we won’t be worrying about the price of ammo, but whether (a) we will be permitted to buy it at all or (b) the ginormous excise tax on each round.

      • mrfamous

        Where are you gonna shoot it if you’re not allowed to leave your house?

      • R C Dean

        By the time the lockdown ends, I expect the EO banning shooting ranges will be in effect anyway.

      • Sean

        if you’re not allowed to leave your house?

        Good luck with that.

      • leon

        Hey, you might be allowed to one a gun by the courts, but have they said anything about owning ammunition?!

        / Someone who thinks they are very clever.

      • EvilSheldon

        There’s some truth to that.

        Normally, with this huge of a backlog, all the ammo plants (there are only a few in the country) would be running 24/7, hiring more machine operators, and starting up new production lines.

        But with the present political uncertainty, it doesn’t make sense to dump a bunch of money into capital investment that you won’t be able to recoup.

        ‘The Government Fucks Up Everything it Touches’, exhibit 45,349b.

      • Gustave Lytton

        There was also uncertainty of how long the demand surge would last. After the last shortage, manufacturers and retailers got left holding the bag when demand collapsed/returned to normal.

      • pan fried wylie

        *when the surge receded

      • Trigger Hippie

        My best friend works at the Lake City Ammunition Plant around the KC area. The government contract for it was recently awarded to Winchester after many years of being ran by Northrop Grumman. He’s been offered twelve hour shifts through all his days off for the foreseeable future to meet demand.

        They’re trying, anyway.

    • Kwihn T. Senshel

      I thought I read the other day that it was a lack of primers for the most part.

      But overall, is this just an actual spike in demand, or are there other supply chain disruptions that are also affecting the ability of manufacturers to make product?

      • R C Dean

        I’ve also heard about a shortage of brass feedstock, but that was a little while ago.

        A shortage of brass. In a First World economy.

      • pan fried wylie

        Brass is so 1890.

      • pan fried wylie

        Bronze, of course, also 1890. BC.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        I am no metallurgist but bronze seems like a poor choice for ammunition casings.

        😉

      • UnCivilServant

        Bronze might work for a good number of firearm fittings though. Wood or plastic spacer (or some other anti-corrosian method) to avoid direct contact with those parts that must be steel. It could look pretty, and change color over time.

      • pan fried wylie

        Sry, I was just making date jokes at that point, no longer connected to ammunition.

      • EvilSheldon

        The only people who make primers also make ammunition, and their entire primer output is going into their loaded ammo.

        This, of course, knocks on down to the smaller ammunition manufacturers who buy their primers. Not to mention home reloaders like myself.

    • pan fried wylie

      backlogged ammunition orders worth more than $1 billion

      Sounds like a new futures market.

    • Not Adahn

      I want my <$0.13/round 9mm back.

      • leon

        I bought 1000rds when it was at 0.30 per and i feel like i was avant-garde

      • R C Dean

        I think I paid a little more than that – maybe 35 cents each? Flinched at the time, feeling pretty damn smart now.

      • R C Dean

        How’s the market for reloading supplies look?

        I am temperamentally unsuited for reloading, I think – precision work isn’t really my bag – but I’m thinking about it.

      • Kwihn T. Senshel

        Heh, I just found (no, really!) two boxes of 9mm I had in another box in the garage. Probably 15+ years old. Cheap stuff anyway, but the (sale) price tag on them said $5.99.

        ** Wistfully considers the Before Times **

      • R C Dean

        I stumbled across 3 boxes of .308 from probably 20 years ago. I’m pretty its corrosive, so its the last ammo I will use. Cleaning an M1A after shooting corrosive ammo is No Fun.

    • Cy

      Now that Joe and the ho are in, it’s peace and unity all the way down. He’s even got Beto to run his peace love and forcible removal of all firearms campaign. We don’t need ammo anymore. We’re like 2 years from world peace!

    • Gustave Lytton

      MarksmanTV, really enjoy his perspective and commentary btw, says his wholesale cost on ammo has gone up a little but almost entirely all of the retail price increase is by the retailers.

      • Sean

        Price gouging!!!11!1!1

        /derp

      • EvilSheldon

        Wholesale cost has gone up a little, and wholesale supply has gone down like a thirsty camgirl.

      • Kwihn T. Senshel

        Camgirl?

        (Yes, SFW)

      • Jarflax cancelled Cancelled

        SFW? How dare you! That shows someone smoking! SMOKING!

      • pan fried wylie

        I’ll be on my hump.

  34. The Late P Brooks

    Did you (or anyone else) watch Dick’s Electric Dreams on Prime?

    I did. it was… spotty, but not “I regret watching this” bad.

    • Raven Nation

      Thanks.

  35. pan fried wylie

    Haunebu II

    This item was permanently discontinued in June, 2018 at the request of the German government on the grounds that it could lead children to believe that the kit was of an actual nazi craft.

    I think the name is supposed to be pronounced, due to the Roman numeral, “Honey Booboo”.

  36. Drake

    Kristi Noem is hot – and calls Mitt Romney a sissy back-stabber.

    • leon

      If i had known that Biden would cleanse Utah of the Scourge of Romeny as senator, i would have voted for him.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Mittens will claim he was brainwashed by the Republican Party.

      • leon

        Kristi 2024!!

      • R C Dean

        “The DOJ indicted Kristi Noem on charges of Logan Act violations, pedophila, and foreign influence peddling today based on a laptop that was turned over to them by an anonymous informant. As a result, her campaign suspended operations, issuing a statement that they expected these groundless accusations to be cleared up shortly and that Gov. Noem would return to the campaign.”

  37. blighted_non_millenial

    Anyone ever get a letter 4883C from the IRS? Easy to resolve?

    • pan fried wylie

      Is anything from the IRS easy to resolve? I have the simplest taxes you can have and I still want to strangle a muppet when I’m done filling out the 1040ez.

      • blighted_non_millenial

        Hmmm… calling and listening to 5 minutes of a littany of letters that can go online but 4883C has to stay on the call, then the call informing me that due to volume I can’t be assisted today, I’m going with no.

    • UnCivilServant

      What metric are they using? Exposed skin over time? Do exposed naughty bits count extra? Has there been any real nudity in hollywood recently?

      • pan fried wylie

        Ok, I think we could actually secure grant money for this.

    • pan fried wylie

      Astonishingly, actresses with the most toned bodies take their clothes off the most. More at 11.

      Also, White.

  38. The Late P Brooks

    Also, the first episode makes it seem like this is going to be a monster of the week procedural, which is a lie. The first few episodes are cranking the car up to the top of the coaster. The ride doesn’t really begin until he goes to buy some smack.

    Maybe I’ll give it another chance. I’m going to be looking for something new after Utopia is done.

    *I might actually re-watch Utopia, to see how much I didn’t pick up on the first time.

  39. Count Potato

    “1/ Florida’s @GovRonDeSantis
    has drafted legislation that would, in effect, empower armed white vigilantes to kill black people.

    DeSantis wants to *expand* FL’s Stand Your Ground law to allow armed citizens to shoot anyone engaged in “criminal mischief” that disrupts business”

    https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/1326598186794938375

    Because only black people commit crime?

    • leon

      Florida just wants to be recognized as part of the south man.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      anyone engaged in “criminal mischief” that disrupts business

      That’s predominantly white people at the moment.

    • Rebel Scum

      Self-defense =/= vigilante, you dishonest cunte.

    • EvilSheldon

      Honestly, I don’t think I’m in favor of this. Not that I think it’s being reported accurately or truthfully, but still…

      • R C Dean

        Not clear on the details of FL law, but generally stand your ground laws mean you have no duty to retreat. They do not change the requirement that you shoot in defense of yourself or others in response to an “objectively” reasonable threat of death or serious bodily harm.

        The duty to retreat is bullshit, anyway. I see no reason to confine “stand your ground” to your house.

      • kbolino

        Something, something, win the battle, lose the war

        Expand it too much and you run the risk of a national backlash.

    • kbolino

      Fact check: Because this is a left-wing argument, and because it uses a magical phrase like “in effect” that lets us read any meaning we want into it, we give it the benefit of the doubt, so “mostly true”.

    • R C Dean

      legislation that would, in effect, empower armed white vigilantes to kill black people

      I suspect its drafted without reference to race, in which case its equally accurate to say that it in effect, it empowers armed black vigilantes to kill white people.

      • pan fried wylie

        “Which is how you’d state it if you wanted to achieve your expressed goal.”

        -Dave Chappelle.

  40. Rebel Scum

    Because now there is zero chance you will ever face consequences for your crimes.

    “I am feeling better than I have felt in four years,” Clinton told Melanne Verveer, the executive director of the Georgetown Institute for Women, Peace and Security. “I feel really happy and relieved, very grateful, excited about the team of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, looking forward to seeing them take the office of president and vice president and bring our country together and get us back on the right track for the future.”

    • Sean

      get us back on the right track for the future

      Selling out America. Gotta get that graft train running again.

    • pan fried wylie

      Melanne Verveer? You KNOW she’s got punchfacecunt.

    • Charlie Suet

      I bet she voted for Trump really. Like when you lose to Germany in the World Cup and you hope that they’ll win it so you can say you got knocked out by the champions. I mean the fact that a senile plagiarist with a crackhead son did better than she did against Trump must feel pretty bad.

      • juris imprudent

        Feelings? Minions of the elder gods surrendered their human feelings at the beginning of their servitude. Precondition for employment.

      • pan fried wylie

        Trump or she wrote in Herself.

    • Not Adahn

      Georgetown Institute for Women, Peace and Security

      W. T. Absolute. F?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I’m guessing the entire thing is an homage to Albright and Clinton, both of whom never did a damn thing for peace and security, and might be women but I’m damn sure not going to check.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      ‘Georgetown Institute for Women, Peace and Security”

      And to think Georgetown was once a respected institution. This is just pathetic identity politics on top of what should be serious issues, but usually aren’t anyway, so whatever….

    • Cy

      I bet the Biden/Harris “win” celebration at the Clinton Foundation was off the chain! I wonder how many hookers Bill through on his expense tab.

  41. Tundra

    New Malice today is fucking awesome.

    Phil Labonte, metal libertarian and all around cool guy.

    Both guys are in rare form. Fun conversation that will make you laugh out loud a lot.

    • Kwihn T. Senshel

      Semi-serious question:

      The link is over an hour long. How much of it is actual “new” info, and how much is re-hash of stuff they just talked about 13 minutes ago?

      I ask because one of the reasons I got away from listening to talk radio is that in a 3-hour block, there might be 30 minutes of actual information, and 2.5 hours of repeating and commercials.

      • leon

        ^^^ Tim Pool is the wost at this. He’ll have a 30 min video, where the first 28 min is him restating the same thing over and over again.

        Malice is generally pretty good though.

      • Kwihn T. Senshel

        Heh, or like the place \I worked years ago that would have Rush Limbaugh on every day, and by the end of his show, I felt I had relived the 22 minutes of my life 8 times!

      • Tundra

        No. Malice is a great interviewer and funny as hell. Phil holds his own.

      • Kwihn T. Senshel

        Thanks – I’ll check it out!

  42. leon

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1326803089400098816

    Spain makes headlines once again with another botched art restoration

    At first i thought it said “another Bonaparte Restoration”. Was super intrigued.

    • pan fried wylie

      Here’s an idea, if you care about really old stuff, stop fucking touching it.

      • R C Dean

        “Hey, buddy . . . .”

      • pan fried wylie

        Artisanal, Fine-Aged Penises Excluded.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      That was predictable.

      • R C Dean

        Endemic diseases are endemic. Don’t tell our infectious disease “experts”, though.

  43. DEG

    However, because Education Secretary Betsy DeVos put her framework in place through a formal rule-making process, unless there is congressional action, the Biden administration will have to go through the same procedures to overhaul the Title IX regulations, which could take as long as two years. DeVos has said her team was “methodical about our rule-making and regulatory moves” to make it more difficult for a subsequent administration to make changes.

    Very smart move DeVos. Very smart.

    In response to the rising number of coronavirus cases in the state and in an effort to slow the spread, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Wednesday that “any establishment with a state liquor license, including bars and restaurants, must close at 10 p.m.”

    Gauleiter Cuomo can go fuck himself.

    “We’ve trimmed across the executive branch throughout the last two years, and there’s more to be done than just trimming,” Pritzker said. “Now we’re going to have to make some serious and, frankly, painful cuts. Those aren’t things that I can do alone. The Legislature has to be right there with us.”

    Prediction: No cuts. After Harris…errr…. Biden takes office there will be a bailout of state governments.

    A computer model using cellphone data to map the places people frequent every day in large cities may indicate that most COVID-19 infections occur at “superspreader” sites such as full-service restaurants, gyms and cafes.

    My first thought was this is an exercise in GIGO and question begging. Then I read the article. It’s an exercise in GIGO and question begging.

    • R C Dean

      unless there is congressional action, the Biden administration will have to go through the same procedures to overhaul the Title IX regulations,

      Only if you think the Biden administration will have to abide by the same rules as the Trump administration.

      • leon

        Pretty much. But also it makes Obama’s “Pen and Phone” style of executive decree seem even more stupid in retrospect.

    • pan fried wylie

      Very smart move DeVos. Very smart.

      She’s Education Sec for a reason, ya dummy.

      • EvilSheldon

        An intelligent and thoughtful SecEd? Do you have any idea how rare that must be? We’re talking albino unicorn here.

    • Raven Nation

      DEG: did you hear anything from Commodius Spittoon after Saturday night?

      • pan fried wylie

        He had some money, cause he just got paid. Last I heard…

      • DEG

        I think he posted either Sunday or Monday, I don’t remember which. I remember replying to that comment, but have seen no other response from him.

      • Raven Nation

        OK, thanks.

    • R C Dean

      It’s an exercise in GIGO and question begging.

      I personally know of a pretty good-sized gym that has been operating (“illegally”) at full capacity throughout the panic. Not a single member has gotten the ‘Vid. Anecdata, I know . . . .

      Punchline: they have had sheriff’s deputies parked in their parking lot the entire time. They use it for a speed trap.

      • pan fried wylie

        Not a single member has gotten the ‘Vid

        Cmon. They got it. And Nothing Else Happened.

      • R C Dean

        A lot of them work in health care (and the physicians in particular freely ignore the “guidance” from on high). If they were symptomatic, they would get tested because health care workers with symptoms are nearly always tested – hospitals and most physician practices require it.

        They lost some members early on, when they complied with the shutdown. I believe the owner realized if he didn’t reopen, he never would, so he just . . . reopened. Because they are one of the few gyms that DGAF, his membership rebounded nicely.

        And this is in AZ, where our Gov. Ducey (Idiot – AZ) has made a particular target of gyms, since one in Phoenix had the unmitigated gall to challenge His Royal Authority.

      • leon

        Punchline: they have had sheriff’s deputies parked in their parking lot the entire time. They use it for a speed trap.

        Question. Are you able to kick off cops doing that from your property? I’ve seen cops do it and often wonder how much they get permission to do it vs they just sit and do it without asking for permission.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        In theory, yes.

        In practice, unwise.

      • Kwihn T. Senshel

        IANAL, but I think that shared parking lots can be considered quasi-public property, i.e, you can restrict to a degree, but can’t just block access.

        Also, many times the actual right-of-way for the road is much wider than people think, often well behind the sidewalk, so depending upon their setup, they can claim they’re still in the roadway (and they might be right).

        Or, what Scruffy said.

      • UnCivilServant

        Who are you going to call to enforce a trsspassing complaint against them? Do it yourself and you’re ventillated.

      • R C Dean

        I don’t know who the parking lot belongs to. Probably not the gym. If you are operating illegally, hassling law enforcement seems unwise in any event.

  44. leon

    An actual Hypothetical question for the Glib Lawyers.

    As Libertarians, we are all very versed in the fact that Cops have no obligation to render you as an individual an services of protection or saftey, etc. However would that hold if it could be shown that a policie department intentionally and in a pre-meditated fashion were refusing to provide services to an individual. For Hypothetical let’s say there is a dispute between a business owner and the police, and then it could be shown that in “unofficial” means there was a general rule against ever responding to a call coming from your business, if one were to come.

    • R C Dean

      a policie department intentionally and in a pre-meditated fashion were refusing to provide services to an individual

      If they have no duty to provide services to an individual, then not doing so is not a violation of any duty, whether its negligent or intentional.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Yep

      • leon

        But i think there is a difference between just not providing the service out of course and actively withholding the service from someone.

      • R C Dean

        There is, but the gateway question is “Is there a duty?” If the answer is no, it doesn’t matter why you withheld service.

      • pan fried wylie

        So it should be totes cool for Depts to start collecting revenue and doing nothing, then.

        Oh, wait, nm.

      • R C Dean

        There’s a reason why police departments spend more time on revenue generating activities than on crime-solving activities.

        I think, anyway. Based on the number of cops doing things like traffic enforcement and going after victimless crimes, compared to those working on violent and property crimes.

      • pan fried wylie

        I’m saying, the riots have given them the opportunity to drop any pretense of providing protection and now they can just go full-on highway robbery.

      • Kwihn T. Senshel

        Besides the “going home safe is our #1 job” culture now, I’d suggest that many PDs have become utterly dependent upon the income from their revenue generating work.

        It’s now impossible for them to meet their budget if they don’t collect their quota from the populous, and since budgets can’t ever go down, then of course those activities must continue to grow as well.

        One small town I lived near for a while had stores with bumper stickers: “, WA: Come on vacation, leave on probation!”

      • pan fried wylie

        Come on vacation, leave on probation!

        HAR DEE FUCKING Eat a bag of dicks, SmallTown,WA.

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      If the police were a privatized they would be in breach of thier contract.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Their contract pretty explicitly exempts them from an obligation to provide protection.

        Of course, they wouldn’t tell you that.

  45. R C Dean

    Maryland’s football game against No. 3 Ohio State is canceled and will not be rescheduled after the Terps paused all team-related activities on Wednesday because of an elevated number of coronavirus cases within the Terrapins’ program, the school announced on Wednesday.

    Sounds like Maryland is forfeiting the game. Should go down as a W for an Ohio State University, shouldn’t it?

  46. pan fried wylie

    The object is to preserve your own sanity, no everyone else’s.

    Everyone else losing their goddamn minds is going to get ME killed in the process. Hence my interest in preserving THEIR sanity as well…