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Your Resident Narcissistic Misogynist Rape-Culture Apologist

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  1. Yusef, Stirred, not Shaken

    This wasn’t on my Calendar,

  2. LJW

    I’m curious would you all have more sympathy if the Capitol stormers if they were protesting something more verifiable like congress sending billions of taxpayer dollars overseas?

    • LJW

      Ugh posting from my phone and derped my question up.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m disappointed in you.

      • LJW

        “I’m disappointed in you.”

        That phrase sums up my life.

    • KOVIDKristen

      I would have felt differently if they were protesting lockdowns, etc.

    • Lachowsky

      I support storming the capital building for almost any reason. Those fucks need to have the fear of God put in them.

      A government that doesn’t fear its citizens is a terrible government.

      • blackjack

        This right here! Finally, a riot at the correct address!

      • Not Adahn

        ^what these guys said

      • westernsloper

        ? sort of. We know what will happen now. The narrative is set. This was sedition and they were terrorists. I mean shit, some dude stole some furniture. That’s the peoples furniture. The DHS will now track all down who have wrong think. *deletes last part of comment*

      • Not Adahn

        I warned EVERYBODY about the sixth on Sunday!

      • Not Adahn

        Awww, I miss GILMORE.

    • westernsloper

      Ya, I would. I would support storming of local mask code enforcement officers offices and them getting the shit kicked out of them. Thing is we don’t have that here. Nobody is enforcing anything. It is all voluntary compliance when it occurs. Nor do I think storming the capitol is all that smart regardless if it is warranted. The back lash will be quick and hard catching up people who don’t think it was all that smart. This corrupt government is not going to be overthrown with pic ops by some guy with epic head gear in the speakers chair who is a Qanon nut. Do you think the media is going to articulate that distinction? Nope, this was sedition and you people are the same as him.

      • Lachowsky

        Maybe so, but the media can only spin so much. An increasing amount of people don’t believe a word out of their lying mouths anymore.

        People are starting to wake up to how they are being robbed blind by this government.

  3. KOVIDKristen

    I declare the Unit #155 Autonomous Zone!

    All* are welcome

    *restrictions apply

    • UnCivilServant

      Damn. I’ve got too much gut.

      • commodious spittoon

        You can lose your gut, I can’t get that height ;_;

    • Tundra

      I could kick that guy’s ass, Kristin.

      • UnCivilServant

        Surprise attacks have a tactical advantage.

      • Crusty Juggler

        More like a lumbercuck, am I right?

  4. Urthona

    I’ll never forget the day the dude with the Buffalo hat “crossed to the [proverbial] Potomac” with an army of Trumpers at his back and dissolved the Senate.

    Long live that guy, whomever the fuck he is.

    Hopefully one day there is a salad dressing named after him.

    • UnCivilServant

      There is – the Buffalo Chicken.

      • Urthona

        And a wondrous salad it is. A spicy deep fried piece of chicken and blue cheese.

        And some other shit I will just eat around.

    • DEG

      Looks like he is a QAnon guy.

      • Urthona

        He seems nice.

  5. westernsloper

    I don’t know what FEMA district I live in but I call top bunk in the reeducation camp.

    * think I stole that from twitter I saw a few days ago* Still applies.

  6. Animal

    Is the Zoom thing happening?

      • Animal

        Got it, thanks

      • westernsloper

        School night so I get up at 0330 so no zooming for me. Have fun. I would love to hear the rants and drink my face off. But life goes on.

      • DEG

        I gotta get up early, so I will pass too.

      • Tundra

        I tried, but my fucking phone dropped whenever I tried to join!

        What the fuck are You People doing?

  7. KOVIDKristen

    Please nobody comment on the ded thred. Please nobody comment on the ded thred.

    • kinnath

      No I feel compelled to go post something on the ded thred.

      • IntraveneousWoodChipper

        Lol

  8. Tundra

    Dave and Robbie doing an impromptu POTP.

    Here.

    • PudPaisley

      Your links have been rubbing off on me.

      I’ve been a regular listener of the Tom Woods, POTP, and Malice podcasts the last couple months. Thanks homie!

      • Don escaped Two Corinthians

        Christmas blew up and I never left MEM: could have met y’all prettymuch anywhere.

      • Tundra

        Awesome!

        Shoot me an email one of these days. Ready to head east for some mask-free awesomeness.

    • Crusty Juggler

      Gas Digital is growing by the day!

      My God.

  9. Mustang

    My coworker just a said they’re glad that woman was shot. I may have lost my temper a bit. Nice knowing you all.

    • Tundra

      How are you doing Mustang?

      Your co-worker needs a cork for their fork.

      • Mustang

        Man, I’m just fucking done with it. I want the wheels to come off already. I’m depressed as shit (not going to do anything crazy) and worried about my family’s future. I can’t tell if I’m being radicalized or some shit or going crazy but when I see what China has been doing and what our politicians are doing I just can’t feel good about the future. This Great Reset shit has me angry all the time. COVID. I can’t see my family in the States. I’m just fucking done.

        You know what though? Life is good. I’m a spoiled rotten millennial who can’t appreciate what he has, and I have a lot. And that just makes me angrier. I can’t even appreciate what I have and it makes me feel ungrateful when I shouldn’t be.

        I just want to be left the fuck alone.

        Thanks for asking (not sarcasm).

      • Crusty Juggler

        I badly cut the tip of my preferred nosepick finger which is now bandaged, and not being able to dig for gold is causing me much discomfort.

      • DrOtto

        Hey ma, what’s for dinner? Put a finger up your nose and pick a winner – Biz Markie

      • Mustang

        I just can’t stand being told I need to just chill out and appreciate what I have.

        You know what? I appreciate the fuck out of it. I don’t want to fucking lose it. So you’ll have to excuse me if I get fired up about possibly losing it to some fucking scumbag communists.

      • Crusty Juggler

        See, the cut is on the left index finger. I can dig deep with the right index in the right nostril – that mug is as clean as a whistle.

        The left nostril is a maddening annoyance.

        In fact, it’s so bad I’m considering using my shirt to blow it all out.

      • rhywun

        I had an ex who honked it all out into the bathroom sink every night before bed.

        “That’s charming, honey. Here, have a tissue.”
        “No thanks.”

      • Mustang

        Sorry to hear about your finger. I’ve seen these nostril-cleaner things for kids, have you considered using one of those?

      • Tundra

        You’re a good man.

        All the best, brother.

    • Rebel Scum

      Do share your response.

      • Mustang

        I just simply said that I don’t understand how we can stop work to have meetings about feelings of marginalization when a violent criminal is shot and cities burn, but someone breaks a few windows at the Capitol and you applaud a woman being shot in the back? That seems hypocritical.

        He stayed quiet. Another coworker came up to me and said she agrees with me, we just need to cool off. She’s probably right.

      • westernsloper

        From what I have read, *take with a grain of salt* she was shot in the throat through a closed/barred door by some trigger happy cop who had no idea what he was shooting at.

      • kinnath

        The audio from the twitter video sounded some what muffled. I wondered if it was from a suppressor. But I guess if it was on the other side of door that might do it too.

    • Ted S.

      “That woman” = Gabby Giffords, right?

    • blackjack

      All the headlines make it sound like the protestors shot her. “Armed protestors storm the capital, one woman shot and killed” Then, you read it and it was the cops that shot her. They just can’t stop lying.

    • mrfamous

      This is precisely why I’ve tried so hard to extricate my life from the political struggle: I like people. They are by far the most important things in this world, and without them there’s no particular reason for living. I mean Omega Man and all that.

      And politics corrupts us and turns us into savages who despise one another. Literally the most important things on the planet and politics teaches us to hate them, all so a bunch of mentally ill sociopaths can obtain high office.

      I want this crap out of my life and as this goes on and on and on that seems less and less possible.

    • DEG

      Fuck

    • UnCivilServant

      If I had Fuck You money, I might say a few unfortunate things to my coworkers.

      It might not be long before I say them without the financial backstop.

    • Mustang

      I have a lot of respect for my coworker as a person and for how well they do their job. This won’t change that. I hope it doesn’t change his opinion of me. It wasn’t a big deal, but in my line of work, applauding the death of an American at a protest is not okay, regardless of what side they’re on.

      • rhywun

        I can’t imagine for one second such a topic coming up at my job. We’re nose to the grindstone IT nerds. Nobody has the time or inclination for idle chit chat, esp. about politics.

      • kinnath

        My boss felt the need to start a meeting with the statement that he was embarrassed by what was happening in DC. He wished we were better than a 3rd world county.

        I told him that he hadn’t lived through the ’60s. I can get much worse.

        That’s when the young lady from Ruwanda said “Yes, I can get a lot worse than this”.

        He dropped the subject at that point.

      • westernsloper

        Nice.

      • EvilSheldon

        Damn. There are flexes, and then there are FLEXES.

      • kinnath

        She has mentioned that she spent some years when she was young living in Uganda.

        I haven’t felt the need to ask if it was during the time of the massacre.

      • grrizzly

        Is she a Hutu or a Tutsi?

      • kinnath

        I need to keep working for another 5 to 7 years.

        So, I won’t be engaging in that kind of discussion with her.

      • grrizzly

        Actually, Hutus and Tutsis are very easy to distinguish even for white folks. Tutsis are thin, Hutus are not.

      • kinnath

        She is not thin.

      • Mustang

        They turned it on specifically to watch the news and that was the first thing out of his mouth.

  10. rhywun

    Oh shut the fuck up, Rubio. “China is laughing at us.”

    Gosh, if only our government didn’t mow down more of them. Like, you know, China would.

    • rhywun

      didn’t did

      “We look like the third world.”

      CWAA

    • Drake

      I had to turn it off before blowing a gasket. What a pussy.

      • Hyperion

        Almost as big of an asshole as Romney, but that’s a tough goal.

    • Rebel Scum

      They are laughing because our elections are now as reliable as Soviet Russia.

      • rhywun

        Yeah, I have no doubt China is laughing at us. They have been doing so for at least a decade. But for that ,yes, pussy to go on national television and worry about what those assholes “think” of us over an event that would result in piles of corpses over there is beyond the fucking pale.

      • Rebel Scum

        I’m still curious about the entry to the capitol building though. I can’t believe security would be so lax. It may have been allowed to happen.

      • Count Potato

        I think the same thing. Also, white woman shot for no apparent reason.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        You better believe that many people have taken note of that.

      • rhywun

        Not anybody that the MSM will pay attention to.

      • Drake

        Imagine if our biggest rival elected (fraudulently) somebody as senile, corrupt, and compromised as Biden – along with a ruling party that openly despises their people.

      • Hyperion

        Other countries that are supposed to be way more corrupt than we are will not allow all these mail-in ballots and voting without ID. People in Brazil I know are in disbelief about that happening here.

  11. Drake

    This:
    The GOP catamites in Congress are far more disheveled by some citizens aggressively demanding a redress of grievances than they were when James Hodgkinson tried to murder them.

    https://gab.com/Hek/posts/105511724805759617

    This so much.

    • Rebel Scum

      I’d say the GOP has spines like jellyfish, but that would be an insult to jellyfish.

  12. Rebel Scum

    On the way home today, Jeff Katz (evening hate-radio personality) was clutching his pearls over today’s events in DC. Apparently is was un-American. I suppose the American thing is to just roll over and be subjugated.

    • Drake

      It is known that no American patriot ever rebelled.

  13. Don escaped Two Corinthians

    I’m no fan of the senator from NY, but Mr Schumer’s remarks a moment ago were particularly cheap, partisan, and opportunistic. This was one of those times (20:00EST) when the correct comment was, simply, “The loyal minority applauds the (Senate’s) president and majority leader’s remarks. We too are ready to finish the day’s work.”

    • Floridaman

      Cheap partisan and opportunistic, so he spoke like a politician?

    • UnCivilServant

      I don’t know what Chucky said, but he’s been an asshole since before I was in middle school.

      I don’t remember the question I asked. I do remember being ignored.

      • rhywun

        Yeah, whatever he said, it’s guaranteed he’s said many things as bad or worse over the decades.

    • Gadfly

      What did he say?

      • Crusty Juggler

        He refuses to wear both a bro and mansierre.

  14. Rebel Scum

    Yu-Tube shut off the chat on Tim Pool’s stream. How dare people chat about current events.

    • Lackadaisical

      Chatting is fake news.

  15. Not Adahn

    I am a little surprised about how much this seems to be affecting people.

    TOS has six (6)!(!!) more or less spittle-flecked articles about it, including a whole-hearted zero-equivocating one from Froot Sushi.

    But this just seems like more of the same to me. We’ve had people occupy state capitols for days at a time, riots in DC, the West-Coast version of CHAZ killed three people with zero arrests, iirc.

    Admittedly, my brain chemistry is a bit hinky atm since my prescription expired around Christmastime and fucking nobody is answering or returning calls at the doc’s office.

    • UnCivilServant

      I am surprised at how little I’ve felt.

      I said I’m more surprised it took so long. I suppose it would be more accurate to say I’m disappointed it took so long. Maybe it was the residual hope that the grievences would see redress.

    • LemonGrenade

      I’m actually surprised by how few fucks I’m giving over the invasion of the Capitol building. Maybe if politicians were swinging from lamp posts, I would care more, but after the summer of ‘protests’? There weren’t any huge fires, they didn’t destroy any private businesses, and so far, it appears that the only casualty was a woman shot by the police. At this point, I sort of glance at the news, go “huh” and move on.

      • commodious spittoon

        They were let in ffs. And they wandered around. We’re still being led around by the nose by the media.

      • LemonGrenade

        I’m just sitting back and waiting to see if anything will actually happen, something more than what – just a few months ago – would have been classed as ‘mostly peaceful protests’. But I’m not waiting with a whole lot of anticipation any more.

    • EvilSheldon

      This is kind of what I’m thinking.

      Capitol Building is occupied? Who honestly gives a fuck?

      • Lachowsky

        Not me. It deserved to be occupied. Id settle for a different group of criminals occupying the seats for awhile.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Just call it a sit-in and it’s all good.

      • kinnath

        Unarmed protestors force their way into a public space; unlawfully occupy that public space; and disrupt public business. Civil Disobedience straight out of the 60s.

        Fisticuffs between the protestors and the capital police do constitute violence, but somehow seem less egregious after watching Molotov cocktails, Improvised Explosive Devices, and industrial lasers used by mostly peaceful protestors the has half year.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        But but NAZIS

    • blackjack

      My doc’s out for covid exposure. It turned out my medication can ( and did ) cause thrush. Thrush causes loss of sense of taste and smell. I had to use 50 hours of sick time, dammit! Now, I gotta go to urgent care to get some thrush meds and I used all my sick pay for nothing.

      Btw, I only wish that the capital got stormed more often. All the shoe stores downtown never hurt nobody.

      • Contrarian P

        You don’t have to visit an urgent care. You can use 3% hydrogen peroxide at home which generally treats oral thrush just fine. Rise 3-4 times per day.

    • Crusty Juggler

      It’s not a bunch of disaffected “youth” like in the 70s or how we pretend the antifa people are, it’s a bunch of fucking white adults losing their shit. It’s just different.

      Plus some lady died, and the “right” is blaming the cops.

      Up is down, left is right, cats and dogs, etc.

      ITS NOT THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WAS

    • Drake

      For most of the summer an organized armed mob was trying their absolute best to burn down the Portland Federal Courthouse – along with everyone inside.

    • mrfamous

      The chances of me going over to TOS on a day like today is 0%.

  16. westernsloper

    Dinners done. Have a great night all.

  17. Rebel Scum

    Now seeing that the woman killed was a USAF veteran.

  18. rhywun

    I am a little surprised about how much this seems to be affecting people.

    #metoo

    And also not.

    • Floridaman

      The past year has done more damage to everyone’s psyche, than is apparent at first.

  19. blackjack

    The spineless (R)’s were so happy they finally got to settle back into their perpetual loser, constant griping about how bad what the winning dems are doing, bullshit. They keep whining about this being “counter productive” Yeah, because all the other crap they’ve been doing is so fucking “productive.” Fuck them. Anyone not brain dead knows this election was bullshit. The “system” these lowlifes have built has made it impossible to lift a finger to stop it. They burn whole downtowns all fucking year, harming the innocent and not accomplishing anything worthwhile. Nobody cared. Finally, someone brought some fury to the people who deserve it, and it’s the end of the world.

    • Lackadaisical

      Correct. Government is sacred. Plus they’re wrong thinkers. That’s all this boils down to.

      • Lachowsky

        Christ. I watched fox for about 15 minutes this afternoon. I heard those state worshipping asswipes mention the “sacred duties” of the senate about 5 times before I turned it off.

        Government is a religion.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      When the plebs attack other plebs it’s not a big deal, when the patricians are attacked you can expect them to break out the fainting couches.

    • Drake

      “Now the Dems will be even worse”

      Because you have no balls.

    • The Other Kevin

      Yes it’s real. And we’ve established that is White Indian from TOS, who is finally gamboling freely.

      • Seguin

        Lol perfect.

      • Contrarian P

        He hadn’t the wit.

    • Crusty Juggler

      The Injuns are attacking!

    • rhywun

      Is this picture real?

      My god, I hope so.

    • Aloysious

      I hope buffalo hat guy pokes Nancy in the butt with his spear.

      ‘Moobs’ Schumer as well.

  20. Yusef, Stirred, not Shaken

    Honestly what happened to my post?

    • kinnath

      Overcome by events?

      I assume the powers that be postponed you post given world event.

      • Yusef, Stirred, not Shaken

        Open post? whatever…

      • kinnath

        You mean a post within the threads and not a new article?

        I may have misunderstood your comment.

  21. The Other Kevin

    I’m with the rest of you, I honestly don’t care now that things have settled down. Nothing was burned down or smashed, or even peed on. Next time have more cops I guess.

    • Mustang

      Won’t matter if companies require it for you to do business with them.

  22. Grumbletarian

    So, without mentioning England or King George, can anyone justify the American Revolution? Please?

    • Lachowsky

      Murray rothbard does a good job in conceived in liberty.

      It was a just war until the founders hijacked it.

    • Hyperion

      Against who?

    • kinnath

      kinnath on January 6, 2021 at 4:03 pm

      When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    • kinnath

      Note that the “founding fathers” committed high-treason against their lawful government and were subject to hanging if caught.

      Criminals, one and all.

      • Mojeaux

        “If we do not hang together, we will surely hang separately.”

    • Drake

      Their beef was with Parliament, not the King.

      They had no say in their government – same as the protesters today.

      • Raven Nation

        Meh. It was kind of a legal fiction. Challenging the king was treason with a death sentence. Challenging parliament not so much.

      • Drake

        The unwillingness to give them representation in Parliament (while taxing them) is what is really boiled down to.

    • creech

      Justify? “Hey, you guys, stop dumping tea in the harbor or hiding weapons in the countryside. We don’t want to provoke King George into sending his Redcoats over here to kick our arses.” Actually, more than half of the colonists thought this or just didn’t care one way or the other. Look for the 2020 elections to be the litmus test for the future of individual liberty in the U.S.A.

      • creech

        2022 elections

    • Agent Cooper

      Why is England off the table?

      • Not Adahn

        Go back a post.

    • Hyperion

      I guess all the Walgreens and family owned restaurants are now going to be burnt down in DC. White Lives Matter! Where’s antifa? Surely they’re joining in and the media will talk about police violence against peaceful protesters?

    • LemonGrenade

      The ‘storm is here’ and ‘dark to light’ are common Qanon phrases. That’s one thing I’d like to see out of all this; whoever was really behind the Q phenomenon exposed, because I’m pretty convinced it was a totally crazy-assed re-election campaign, and I’d like some confirmation.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        A reelection campaign for who? It looks like a 4Chan larp more than anything else, just some internet trolls fucking with people for laughs.

      • LemonGrenade

        I figured it was an attempt to whip a portion of the populace up into really supporting Trump, and assumed it came from someone within his social media team. And for some subset of the population, it worked, really really well.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Eventually it looked like unfulfilled promises so I doubt it. It’s a possibility maybe but was a terrible mistake if so.

      • LemonGrenade

        Agreed and waiting for the hubby to admit it wasn’t real as well.

    • Crusty Juggler

      Puddles rocks.

  23. Hyperion

    I just ordered a bunch of that Pedialite stuff from Amazon and it arrived. I’ve had the worse dehydration recently. Waking up really thirsty. Hope this helps.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Check your blood sugar, I hear that’s an early sign in a lot of people.

      • SugarFree

        Yup.

      • Chipwooder

        Was in my case, yeah. I wore a path in the carpet between my office and the water fountain right before I was diagnosed.

      • Gdragon

        I remember almost pissing my pants as a kid before I was diagnosed when I got stuck on the basepaths for 4 or 5 batters. I stole 3rd base completely on my own because I had to go so badly and I figured that either way that was the fastest way to get off the field and relieve myself.

    • Floridaman

      Not bad advice, somehow I doubt it will be listened to.

  24. Rebel Scum

    Congress is back in session. Isn’t it a crime scene* at this point?

    *Obvious reference to the gang of criminals that “work” there.

    • Rebel Scum

      And they just had all those people in there carrying their Chicom Flu germs.

    • sssbobbyr

      So it was 9/11 and Pearl Harbor on Mt. St. Helen, yet they are back to work in three hours.

      Oh, the humanity.

    • trshmnstr the terrible

      This is a totally unexpected turn of events! Nobody could have predicted this!

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      If they didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards at all.

    • Rebel Scum

      Now do every single blm/antifa gathering.

      And I can’t help but think that this censorship is going to make the situation worse, but go ahead and show tens of millions of people that their concerns don’t matter.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        So much worse. The left protests and riots as a matter of course. When the right does it, it’s because theyre backed in a corner. You know what the worst thing to do to a frightened animal backed in a corner is? Keep poking it with a stick.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        ?

      • Rebel Scum

        And yet they (msm and leftist and faux conservative RS) keep piling and gaslighting.

    • Urthona

      Totes.

      Showing criminal activity is the same as promoting it.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Parker says thanks.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Parler

        Stupid effin autocorrect

    • rhywun

      Clown world.

  25. Don escaped Two Corinthians

    How does it shake out? Any early GOP or LP favorites for 2024?

    I’m mildly intrigued by Sasse but doubt I’ll bow to the duopoly since I live in the reddest of states.

    • Urthona

      Tatonka Man.

    • Grumbletarian

      The early favorites are whoever the Democrats nominate.

    • creech

      Pence has had it, guilt by association. Depending on how badly President Harris governs, you could see 15 GOP primary candidates. Amash could get the LP nomination if he wanted it to pull a John Anderson.

      • Urthona

        I’ll just say it.

        It’s gonna be Rand Paul, obviously, and he’s going to usher in a new golden libertarian age. Hookers and blackjack for everyone.

        To really turn things around you must first hit rock bottom which is where we are now.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        We’re not even close to the bottom.

        *insert prolefeed or Q post here*

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        *ahem*

        As the official voice of the #collapsitarian movement, I’m deeply offended!

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        “Offended”

        Are you self identifying as a victim now?

      • Floridaman

        Yeah but we all know the way they are gonna get out of this hole is digging deeper, so expect more nanny state to prevent the people’s from speaking

      • Urthona

        It’s going to backfire. It’s already backfiring.

        I didn’t believe all of the “stolen election” bullcrap, but I’m super livid we’re not even allowed to even discuss it. Now I am reading far rightwing stuff like Gateway Pundit just to find out what people are saying over there.

        It’s making me sympathetic to Republicans.

      • blackjack

        I can probably come up with some hookers. Maybe.

      • slumbrew

        *thinks, “blackjack can definitely come up with some hookers”*

      • Don escaped Two Corinthians

        I had hoped Amash would be special

      • Raven Nation

        TBF: I don’t think Amash is as bad as some people say he is. I saw some twitter feed where he was accused of being a sell out. But, I still think he has generally libertarian principles.

      • Urthona

        I would vote for him.

      • Don escaped Two Corinthians

        I don’t know what others say; I don’t doubt his convictions

        but he’s just very unimpressive; his campaign interviews were flabby affairs, and he never advanced any principle in those I head; underwhelming

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I can’t forgive Amash for the Russian collusion bullshit.

        Give me Massie.

      • Raven Nation

        That’s fair.

      • Raven Nation

        My impressions of him were from written articles, etc. So I missed the dynamic.

      • Lackadaisical

        Whatever his faults, it isn’t hard to do worse.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Depending on who wins the GOP power struggle I’ll go with either Romney or Paul, at the rate things are going probably Mittens.

      • Urthona

        Eh, no. Mittens is done.

      • Floridaman

        I wouldn’t say that I fully expect him to use being pestered at the airport a few days ago, to claim he stood up before the others, and I foresee them adopting the dem super delegate system.

      • Urthona

        I think he would get about 2% of the vote in any primary right now. He’s super unpopular among Republicans. If he won the nomation, he might actually get “moderates” but he would never get that far these days.

      • Floridaman

        And what percent of the dem primary organically supported Biden? Bernie was the organic choice, again the Dems adopted their system following 1968 to keep their party in the hands of its elites, the reps were probably going to do the same, as soon as they could, and this gave them the excuse, to “make changes to protect, their party, and its voters,“

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        See the Virginia GOP for a perfect example of this in action.

        They’re trying to make themselves irrelevant.

      • Urthona

        Biden is at least a party man who mindlessly does what his party says.

      • kinnath

        “mindless”

        heh, heh, heh

      • Mojeaux

        As a Republican maybe.

        Prediction: He switches sides.

      • Chipwooder

        Wouldn’t surprise me, but the wokesters aren’t going to have any use for Mittens, either. Everyone knows he’s a useless bowl of jello.

    • kinnath

      The Republican Party will be declared a domestic terrorist organization by this summer {thank Merrick Garland the new AG}.

      There won’t be anyone other than the Dem nominee on the ballot in 2024.

      • Rebel Scum

        “Once more the Democrats will rule the galaxy. And we shall have peace.”

    • Shpip

      I’ll go out on a limb and say Ron DeSantis.

      He has the CV (Yale undergrad, Harvard Law, Navy vet, House Freedom Caucus guy, big-state governor). Importantly, he’s not a complete outsider to DC like Donnie Two-Scoops was. He’s libertarian-ish, but not a bull in a china shop.

      The big “if” is will he be re-elected as FL gov in 2022. Lots of people are pissed about the early problems stemming from the tsunami of unemployment claims last spring. Also, former felons will be able to vote that year, though in what numbers is anyone’s guess.

      DeSantis-Haley would be a strong ticket, IMO. Probably not strong enough to overcome the margin of mail-in voting and ballot harvesting, but strong.

      (Sorry, Kristi Noem, but the party ain’t nominating someone who represents 3 electoral college votes).

  26. Stinky Wizzleteats

    Has @realDonaldTrump always been on Gab or did he just land over there? Whatever the case, the site’s just about locked up and the responses to his posts are an absolute shitshow.

    • Rebel Scum

      I saw that. I assume it is a recent development because he had to know (like we all did) that twatter was going to nuke his account.

    • Floridaman

      I don’t think so, that was one of the major complaints of the alt tech people.

    • Drake

      He has been on there since at least before the election. No idea how often he posts there, I haven’t followed him.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        His latest stuff that Twitter yeeted is there.

      • Drake

        I assumed it was just a repeat of his Twitter posts.

    • sssbobbyr

      Twitter suspended him for asking people to leave the capitol.

  27. mrfamous

    Great comment from a commenter on from Malice’s podcast: “American Arab spring”

    • Count Potato

      The Arab Spring was promoted on Facebook, and they even bragged about it.

  28. IntraveneousWoodChipper

    I’m not a fan of what happened at the Capitol building today.

    It retroactively justifies every lunatic comment made by every Progressive over the last four years and will be used to justify some horrible anti-liberty shit in the days and months to come.

    We can all think it was funny and whatnot but many of the hardcore Trump people are populists and not libertarian in any sense of the world. Some share more policy objectives with Bernie Sanders than they do with anyone we would recognize as pro-liberty. This is muh team stuff taken to its logical conclusion and I’m not ok with that. And there is the fact that the intrusion gave the police cover to murder someone.

    Just the way I see it. Hope everyone is well in this insane timeline we are all living in!

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      When people think they’ve been disenfranchised and the people that (allegedly) disenfranchised them are champing at the bit to grind them under their boots things like this are going to happen. It’s sad that lady got shot and killed but could have been much worse.

      • IntraveneousWoodChipper

        People may think they were disenfranchised but the Republicans lost the Senate last night because Trump depressed turnout for his own party by telling everyone the elections are rigged and your voted don’t matter. The same Repub candidates got only 90% of the number of votes they got only two months ago. The loss of the Senate and undivided control of the government by liberty-hating douche bags is 100% Trump’s fault.

        Whatever fuckery the Dems pull off in the next two years will happen because Pubs lost the two Senate seats they needed to block it.

        We will be ground under their boots and he directly facilitated it by sabotaging they only people (shitty as they are) that had a chance to stop it.

      • Urthona

        Plus — another huge Trump failure — the Democrats were able to say “vote for us an you get $2000 in two weeks”. Huge poll swing from that.

        I don’t think this worst part came down to cheating. It was a massive failure by Trump.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I don’t get how the 2k flub was Trump’s fault. I thought it was the Senate that objected.

      • IntraveneousWoodChipper

        s100%. And they even took the talking point directly from Trump himself.

        Setting aside the notion that we even have $2000 to throw at every family, the idea that Biden openly bribing voters with promises of money for votes was facilitated by a Republican president is mind-boggling.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Ah I see the point

      • Urthona

        Yeah. It’s was just poorly calculated by him. Pocket veto this shit and wait for this election. Even I knew how it was going to roll out.

        Democrats were going to put together a shitty bill that included a wish list of crap and force Mitch to block it.

        The media would be in lock step only reporting the $2000 part of his request.

        We could see the polls the adjust in real time after that. I can’t think of a better thing to dangle over ambivalent voters than “you get $2000 if you vote for me”.

      • IntraveneousWoodChipper

        I would say it was savvy on their part to force Mitch to be the one saying no to their unicorn fart idea but they were literally just crushing the softball Trump served up to them.

        Pubs: $600 checks are ready.

        Trump: Make it $2000!

        Dems: Yeah, what he said!

        Pubs: That’s financial suicide for our country. We can’t afford that.

        Dems: See we told you so. Republicans suck. $2000 for every Blue vote.

        Checkmate.

        Unreal how bad that played out. But it was very foreseeable.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        Until there’s an explanation for why the ballot count for the GOP decreased on live TV, I don’t see how anyone could say with any confidence that the election wasn’t stolen. I mean it’s right there in front of everyone. They don’t even feel the need to hide because they don’t have to. It’s banana republic level fraud.

      • sssbobbyr

        I heard that was all debunked and everything.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        It can also be argued that a half-assed investigation of Georgia’s first election by local Repubs suppressed turnout, not that he should have been spouting the line he was spouting. A lot of the Republican vote this time was Trump supporters who felt like they were being screwed by fellow Republicans.

      • IntraveneousWoodChipper

        All Repubs needed to do to win was replicate turnout levels of election in November. Pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions turning on each other, whatever their reasoning, cost them the Senate and will cost us dearly in our bank accounts and most likely in the maintenance of our God-given and Constitutional rights and freedoms as well.

        Dems will tank the economy and run rampant with their socialist progressive policies and we all will be the worse for it. The Repubs suck but they at least would dither and not get anything truly sinister and anti-liberty done, as happened during majority of Trump’s presidency, to his credit.

      • grrizzly

        Was it Trump who fabricated the video where suitcases of votes were counted after all the observers were told that counting ended for the night? Fuck the GOP. And specifically fuck the GOP wing of the GA UniParty.

    • trshmnstr the terrible

      I get it, but I’m also tired of walking on eggshells around the left. Worrying about what they’re going to use this to justify isn’t really as important in a cultural millieu where they do and say whatever they want and get away with it. If not this incident, they’ll make some other one up.

      I think your point about exactly who was rioting is correct. It isn’t exactly the Ron Paul fan club in the Capitol today.

      Setting aside the half-seriousness for a second, I’m torn on all of this. On one hand, it’s about fucking time somebody started making some noise against the left. It’s about 50 years too late, and it’s about 6 months late for this particular dark time. On the other hand, it’s playing with fire. There’s only one way to go from here, and it’s less stable and more chaotic. Will we end up better in the long run from it? Dunno. Probably not.

      • kinnath

        In the ded thred, I said that the 1st and 2nd amendments were gone within weeks of Biden’s inauguration. I actually believe that will happen. By the time anything works it’s way to SCOTUS, there will be four new social justice warriors on the bench to out vote the “five” conservatives that are there now.

      • Urthona

        I don’t think they’ll succeed in that actually, but they might try.

      • kinnath

        They’ll certainly write vague legislation to outlaw hate speech and assault rifles.

        The regulators will have what they need to make the 1st and 2nd essentially gone.

      • Urthona

        Oh yeah. It’ll suck for sure.

        And yeah. The packing the courts I’m most scared of, but I just think they have to be “perfect” on that and it could really hurt their popularity. This idea polls really badly among Americans.

        And if they get unpopular fast from that as I expect, what’s to stop Republicans from doing the same shit? We’ll have 873 supreme court justices pretty soon.

      • kinnath

        what’s to stop Republicans from doing the same shit?

        Republicans.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Yep, Kinnath…”Those kinds of actions just aren’t us.”

      • Urthona

        I agree with you.

        I plan to bring up that this was actually more peaceful than the Portland and Midwestern protests every time it’s mentioned too.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        There are a lot of people who are gainfully employed and unaffected by the shutdowns that are shocked at this development.

        They truly don’t get that there are a lot of highly disaffected and pissed off people out there and do not understand the risks of such.

        The left scales violence to suit their immediate political needs. The right has an on/off switch.

        When that switch gets thrown, all bets are off.

      • IntraveneousWoodChipper

        It was more peaceful but that won’t matter when we get every Progressive fever dream fantasy rammed through by an eatablishment that now has justification for turning the political temperature up to boiling in the hopes of stopping what they will describe as a fascist coup.

        I respectfully suggest that today’s actions will turn out to be counterproductive to our shared pro-liberty ideals. I may be wrong and I hope so.

  29. Rebel Scum

    Maybe the point of “storming” the capitol was to gain access to the computers, if claims that hard drives were taken/copied are to be believed.

    Idk. This is too Tom Clancy for me.

    • Floridaman

      If they were that smart, it wouldn’t have hit the news.

      • Rebel Scum

        Diversion?

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      I assume they’d all be encrypted. Is it that easy to bypass it?

      • kinnath

        That seems like a bad assumption.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        What’s the combination on their luggage?

      • Chipwooder

        1-2-3-4-5

      • Rebel Scum

        Password: Password

        It was alleged that Pelosis computer was left open. I ALWAYS lock my computer when I leave it.

      • UnCivilServant

        As a government IT person I can say this – there’s no chance in hell the desktop hard drives will be encrypted to any meaningful extent. The users can’t handle the requirements. At most you might get some of the stuff that’s on by default in windows. But that might have been turned off because someone lost their important pron files due to a lost password.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        So not even BitLocker huh? That’s interesting.

      • UnCivilServant

        It’s the people using it. Any inconvenience is too much, and you know someone “important” stumbled into trouble with it.

      • Urthona

        haha.

        Do you even government bro?

    • UnCivilServant

      After the Frankfurt shoot out, they needed the next piece of data which had been moved to the capital.

    • Urthona

      Was the guy stealing the lectern able to successfully make off with it?

  30. Count Potato

    Some people are saying antifa infiltrated the Trump supporters.

    I have no idea, but the lack of counter-protesters seems odd.

    • Urthona

      They didn’t.

      • Count Potato

        I wouldn’t be so sure.

      • Urthona

        It’s wishful thinking.

      • Rebel Scum

        I have seen a pic with someone in the capitol with his/her fist in the air. Not exactly a conservative/Trumpster move.

      • Urthona

        Have you considered that he just don’t care?

    • Rebel Scum

      Maybe, maybe not. But antifa are pussies. No way they were going to show up in opposition.

    • LJW

      Meh I doubt it and if it’s true it doesn’t excuse the stupidity of Trumpkins who followed them into the Capitol.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Doubtful, the right are pissed and are people with tempers like other people. It’s just trying to displace blame.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      I think it’s largely irrelevant in this case.

      If somebody has been chucking Molotovs I might have a different opinion

      • Rebel Scum

        Any word on the supposed pipe bombs? I have heard several claims. My first inclination is that was a larp.

      • Not Adahn

        Moonenites.

  31. mrfamous

    LOL

    • Rebel Scum

      How long before he is banned?

      • mrfamous

        I don’t think people understand that you can both make that joke and be very sad about the woman’s death. That those sorts of jokes are cathartic. Like Gilbert Gottfried’s jokes a week after 9/11. You _have_ to laugh sometimes or else bad things will happen to you.

      • rhywun

        This place would be a ghosttown if dark humor wasn’t a thing.

      • Rebel Scum

        Oh, I get it. I have a dark sense of humor. And I chuckled. Humor is how I cope. But he is poking the twitter bear.

      • mrfamous

        Yeah, but you can see in the many of the responses that some folks don’t get it.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        He’ll dutifully delete if told to, he said as much on Woods’ podcast once. He’s about to go too far over the cliff though.

      • Tundra

        Fuck it. He’s one of the best on twatter. He’ll land somewhere.

    • Rebel Scum

      Apparently other peeps in his circle are being silenced right now as well.

      • Rebel Scum

        I think it is going to backfire.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Lin Wood too but this was inevitable.

    • Urthona

      PRAISE ALLAH I AM NOW PROTECTED FROM MISINFORMATION.

    • blackjack

      Not enough beer in the world.

      • dbleagle

        Ahhh, the Marines acting like Marines.

      • rhywun

        Nice technique.

        Hey, sailor!

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Pink?

      So undignified a color.

      • Rebel Scum

        You prefer skin tones?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Candy cane stripes

        Keep it seasonally festive

    • Heroic Mulatto

      This is why I never joined a frat.

      • rhywun

        Frat boys were some of the most confused motherf’ers I tried to date.

        Dude. Make up your mind.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Is this an example of the “bi erasure” I hear so much about?

      • rhywun

        I guess I was alluring enough. ?

      • rhywun

        ugh “wasn’t”

        Somebody, cut me off. I’m done.

      • Count Potato

        “You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here.”

  32. KOVIDKristen

    Thanks for the “safe space” to chat here and in the forum and on Zoom. Sometime I feel so stifled with my meat space friends.

    • Don escaped Two Corinthians

      I just had a related tweetchat: guy is worried about discussing his friends’ hypocrisy. I don’t know why: if you’re a principled, consistent, and respectful person, you should be able to ask an honest question any time, and anyone who doesn’t answer on principle and in good faith should not be considered a heavy loss.

      • KOVIDKristen

        Politics is just too emotional for some people. I just don’t have emptions about much of anything, but especially about politics. So it’s a subject I don’t address with some people. Some meat space friends are just fine to discuss politics with.

  33. Count Potato

    “This is not patriotism. This is not protesting. This is reprehensible violence and aggression and needs to stop now. We hope safety for all those who work in the Capitol.”

    https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1346911485583183873

    Besides the woman the police shot, wasn’t it just few broken windows? The government does a million times more violence every second.

    • Tundra

      The government supported the motherfuckers who burned my city,

      • Count Potato

        And the MSM said almost nothing about it.

    • Drake

      “Violence” is now another word now mangled by the left.

      • rhywun

        Violence.

        TW: four on the floor

      • Chafed

        How do you get violent when that makes you dance?

      • rhywun

        Right? Make dance, not war. Or something.

  34. Heroic Mulatto

    I recommended SugarFree use “QHAZ” but a rewording of CHAZ is somewhat acceptable.

  35. Crazy Capn Gunboat Willy

    Weren’t there big-time protests in the capitol building when Kavanaugh was being confirmed? Has this been covered yet in double standard theater?

    • Drake

      Sure – some Republican Senators were cornered in an elevator by SJW’s and cowered in terror.

    • Heroic Mulatto

      Yeah, but that also ended in 300 plus arrests.

      • Crazy Capn Gunboat Willy

        Anyone killed by security/police? Charges stick on the arrestees? Did principal skinner call ahead for an appointment on that one?

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Anyone killed by security/police?

        That’s why you should be angry at the police for allowing the situation to escalate so that a squirrely cop straight up shot a woman in the chest.

      • Playa Manhattan

        Capitol Police are tasked with protecting the building and the people inside it.

        They didn’t care about the building, but when the mob closed in on the people, shit went south real quick

      • Crazy Capn Gunboat Willy

        The threat was neutralized. Errr, I guess one of the many threats were neutralized. But either way, all cops/security types made it home safe. Mission accomplished. Three other protestors died, but those were from medical emergencies. Add em to the covid count.

    • Playa Manhattan

      Hart Senate Office.

  36. Crazy Capn Gunboat Willy

    I guess the real question is how long til a fake House of representin podium ends up on eBay being sold by a seller claiming to be the guy who stole it.

    • Brochettaward

      I would never willingly listen to a clip of that cunt speaking.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Well, it’s a good thing I currently have your loved ones here at gunpoint.

    • Gadfly

      LOL.

      If that had been the sum total of his political platform, I would’ve voted for him.

  37. Floridaman

    Over under time till a new patriot act?

    • Floridaman

      I am thinking within a week, three max.

  38. Chipwooder

    The day’s events had me take stock of things, and I realized something: I hate pretty much everything and everyone. The people storming into the capitol, the shithead politicians who are going to portray themselves like the defenders of the Alamo, and especially the media who spent months cheering for riots but now are gravely condemning anyone who isn’t a Democrat.

    Not youse, though, you guys are OK.

    • slumbrew

      Amen, brother.

      Fuck y’all.

      (not you guys)

      • Plinker762

        I hate the people here the most because they don’t think exactly like me!

    • KSuellington

      Damn right C Dub. The cause of liberty today was not helped today I don’t believe. It would have been better served by a couple hundred thousand protesting raucously but peacefully. The media of course is going to spin it that the protesters were seditious and responsible for the woman’s death. Basically the opposite of what they did with Charlottesville. Many people will buy this even though there will be an increased number in those that utterly distrust the corporate media. I knew once they started the lockdowns that if they were going to last that we would see massive protests that would turn to riots. We got them, just not as I would have hoped. Cancelling much social activity for a large portion of the population is the most evil thing we have witnessed outside of war and terror. It has really turned up the stakes to a fever pitch.

      • Chipwooder

        Nope, if anything today will accelerate the destruction of liberty. Not what they intended, I’m sure (although who the hell knows), but as Floridaman suggested above, this probably ends up being a springboard to some kind of domestic Patriot Act. If there’s anything certain in life, it’s that the Democrats seize an opportunity to expand their power like a hungry dog on a pork chop. They’re not going to let this crisis go to waste, and most of the GOP in Congress were already useless, spineless creatures. They will become even more invertebrate because of this, since they’re going to be terrified of being seen as insufficiently condemning it.

        I voted for Trump this time and thought his presidency exceeded my admittedly low expectations, but goddamn he has handed his enemies ammunition in the past few weeks. Like, 155mm howitzer ammunition.

      • KSuellington

        Not only has he done that, he has ruined his reputation forever. Fitting really, that which he most wanted to avoid, he will get. His hubris did him in, most unsurprisingly. It was over weeks ago. The Dems cheated, he should get the fuck over it. It’s been done before and will be again. This shit will be milked to the full by the media, and the majority of Republicans will be loathe to make him a kingmaker after this. 2am the Trumpists will move on shortly to someone else. 2021 is turning out to be even more interesting.

      • Plinker762

        Yup and any good that came out of the last four years will be dismissed by referencing this event. The curse of a fragile ego.

      • Plinker762

        Kind of like how most casualties in battles happen after the turning point?

      • Plinker762

        “A violent protest results in the killing of a woman” was the breathless intro to a news update this evening.

        Is the number of people that distrust the corporate media really going to change because of this incident? I don’t have an answer but unless people seek out other sources of news, they won’t they still go along with the narrative? From what I see from people I know, there are two responses; OMB incited a riot/coup attempt or Antifa carried out a false flag.

        As much as I get a warm feeling seeing our “leaders” get a tiny taste of what they deserve, I agree that liberty was not helped. As you said the spin will push the opposite.

        Locking everyone up when the data shows which groups are vulnerable is insanity.

      • Chipwooder

        RE: your last point about lockdowns…..my wife was reading the news the other day and was surprised to read an article that mentioned an old client of hers. The story was that his wife was missing. She sent him a note expressing her sympathy, and found out the story. His wife is bipolar and had an episode, sort of a psychotic break. Hadn’t happened to her in 25 years, it seems. What did it, according to the husband, was the many months of isolation, the breaking of the routine she had followed for decades to maintain her mental health, and disruption to her therapy schedule. She has been found, so that was good at least, but man was this guy’s note to my wife the kind of thing that would make your blood boil. Pols don’t care about any of that, though. What’s important is that they DO SOMETHING!!!, no matter how destructive and ineffective that something is.

      • KSuellington

        Somewhere Bastiat cries about the unseen. I mentioned it here earlier that I had to go to the apartment of a woman who killed herself due to the lockdowns, she mentioned it in her suicide note. My dad found a guy who drank himself to death during the summer who had been out of job for several months due to shutdowns. It was easily seen consequences that were brushed away like nothing. People here are really losing it. I had an interaction with a long time customer that isn’t even that old today, and by the end of the conversation that he instigated because of his extreme anger at what I did, it all evaporated into his self doubt when he discovered that he had completely forgotten that I had given him it a few days before.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        KS, I forgot to say recently that I was sorry to read very belatedly about your brother.

      • Plinker762

        I run into a lot of “Do Somethingism” in my work. Every time an incident happens, someone always suggest some kind of code change they think will magically fix the issue (and then cause others). To me, it seems like we think we are in a lot more control than we really are. For our “leaders” it’s more about cowardice and the fear of giving bad news.

      • KSuellington

        Do Somethingism is the order of the day. People think just because us naked apes got computers and shit that we are beyond our simian nature. I’m hoping it’s not gonna get medieval on our asses.

      • Plinker762

        I feel we are slipping into a Cargo Cult.

  39. Chafed

    Dave Smith tweeted something sort of insightful:

    Trump’s opposition and Trump are both guilty of the same foolishness. They both think it’s all about Trump. Trump was a warning to America. A warning about how much the system has failed and how furious people are. It was ignored and it’s going to get worse.

    • KSuellington

      Absolutely true. Also, not what the majority of people would even entertain for a second, as they would find it alien to whatever they heard on Facebook or on the tv or twitters. It’s still shocking to me how many people do still trust the media, even though they know they should know better.

      • C. Anacreon

        Gell-Mann Amnesia

      • KSuellington

        Is there a doctor in the house Jill?

        Yes, exactly that. What’s your take on the mental health of America Chet? To my untrained view, it looks piss poor. People are getting very deeply weird from this extended shit.

      • C. Anacreon

        Yes, we’re really seeing the data starting to come in and it’s not pretty. Increases in depression, suicide attempts, domestic violence, child abuse, and that’s only scratching the surface. The more profound effects we’ll likely be seeing for years to come.

        Many of us are very concerned about what this is doing to kids’ development out there. Fortunately kids can be amazingly resilient, but these are stultifying months that will take a lot to overcome just to get back to where they were a year ago. What that will mean for them, say, five years from now remains to be seen.

        But hey, what do i know? Random jerks on Facebook seem to be much more knowledgeable about diseases and pathology and epidemiology than us physicians, based on their smug posts. The longer the lockdown the better for them, as long as they get full pay, can take naps between Zoom meetings, and never need to take off their sweat pants. It’s great for them, must be for everyone else too, right?

      • KSuellington

        Yes, indeed. I’m surprised that people have not given more pushback against this shitshow, it feels very much like the majority opinion among the public (at least here) is that this is difficult but necessary. There are plenty of doubters, but that is the narrative that has been very much swallowed. That along with a n unabiding trust that masks are some special talisman.

      • C. Anacreon

        Agreed. What’s amazing to me us not just how many have bought into this hook, line and sinker, never questioning anything, but how arrogant they are about being the “smart” ones. This really does not bode well for the future, if overwhelming numbers completely buy into whatever the politicians and teevee tell them on this, what chance is there for any realistic challenge to the prevailing narrative on any major issue to come?

      • KSuellington

        Exactly C. You put into words what has been my biggest fear of this, that because the powers that be saw that the public bought into this they can get away with even more in the future. At this point you would think we would at least be hearing of a total end to lockdowns, but that has been suspiciously silent. What is the end date of the shitshow? They have been loathe to say so.

      • Plinker762

        It gives a comforting feeling that if they simply follow steops “A-Z”, they won’t die. It is backed up by the media messaging. No deep thought is required by them. Attempts to explain why the steps might not work results in an emotional push back to prevent doubt.

        -my amateur thoughts

      • Heroic Mulatto

        I’ll admit to being a little confused. The advocates I see on social media for lockdowns and masks are the public health physicians who claim to be knowledgeable about diseases, pathology, and epidemiology. And they use their expertise all the time as a rhetorical appeal to ethos.

      • Floridaman

        Power is something people are loath to give up.

      • C. Anacreon

        You’re right, HM. Those who consider themselves as little Faucis are the loudest. Because any doc with a different opinion…and there are plenty if them…have seen what’s happened to any physician who publicly goes against the narrative — they are humiliated, ostracized, or even lose their medical licenses. So most everyone now keeps their heads down and quietly does their jobs.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        @ C. Anacreon
        It’s mass delusion. It’s tulipmania. There is this insistence we follow this strategy that is only appropriate in a particular context that we would have had to time travel to October/November 2019 to employ effectively. For what? If we are to become a medicocracy, then why not go full throttle? The lives saved by banning the consumption of white sugar would be tenfold to the lives saved from instituting a lockdown for COVID. Again, for people who should have chops in statistical analysis, a lot of public health academics and practitioners seem oblivious to any sort of realistic cost-benefit analysis to the ‘interventions’ they have proposed.

      • Floridaman

        Yeah that is my thought on all This. There are tons of studies that show prolonged periods of isolation drive people insane, so what happens when you put an entire country in solitary confinement.

      • Chipwooder

        I know it has exacerbated the worst traits of my children. My daughter has always had trouble controlling her anger, but she’s at the point of having a total meltdown at least once a day, like a toddler, where she shrieks incoherently and cannot be calmed down for some time. My son’s become a lazy lump who wants to do nothing but play video games. The school called us the other day and told us he has 26 missing assignments. This is a kid who has been an honor roll student at times in the past, never had gotten a grade lower than a C+, and he’s failing three classes because he simply doesn’t participate in the stupid online classes. For months he rarely gets to see his friends and he’s prone to moping around with a long face, but can I blame him? There’s little he can do to keep himself occupied.

      • KSuellington

        Absolutely CW. Also have three little kids at home through this and it really fucking blows for them. And they are very lucky, they get plenty of outside time. But this year has been way less socialization for them. While they are little kids. Sucks.

    • Mustang

      This is the kind of thing that should be in the headlines.

    • KSuellington

      These modern times are really trying to re create the 1970’s.

      • Chipwooder

        Weirdest episode of Gumby ever

      • C. Anacreon

        He was once a little green slab of clay, ♫♪♪

        You should see what Gumby can do today!

      • Master JaimeRoberto (royal we/us)

        Or Weimar.

      • KSuellington

        Weimar Gumby was definitely the weirdest Gumby ever. And Gumby was weird to begin with. What an acid head designed show that was.

      • Plinker762

        Weimar Gumby gave us Hugo Boss Gumby

  40. Gustave Lytton

    The authoritarian fellators on Fox are whining about the lack of security at the capital and how they need to turn it into an outright police state.

    I want off.

    • Plinker762

      I’m too lazy and have no desire to wallow in the mud but did they actually push over four rows of fencing or is this more media BS?

      • Gustave Lytton

        Seen some scattered footage of those being breached. Barriers being those metal street or concert control things and vinyl construction fencing.

      • Plinker762

        I envisioned four rows of chainlink fencing like the Portland Courthouse

  41. Mustang

    I don’t really understand the people who say that this is bad, I don’t support them because Trump sucks, they’re not the allies I want, etc.

    What are people supposed to do? Quietly vote and when they lose just go back to their lives and accept what’s coming to them? Even if it seems like it’s destroying their way of life? Maybe they should write more angry posts like this one? Channeling Judge Nap here.

    Of course this is terrible for liberty. There is no point where the pendulum of power peacefully swings back and we all get what we want. There’s a reason we frequently use the ratchet metaphor. The government will crack down, hard. They’ll crack down harder next time. Fact of the matter is, those of us who belabor the wonders of libertarianism are never going to be surrounded by people who think just like us. We don’t even agree with each other. Everyone talking about how those icky Trump supporters are making it worse, guess what? Nobody is going to make it better and wishing that is the case is no different from the guy who thought one man could “drain the swamp.” Even the Revolution was fought by people who, in some cases, vehemently hated each other and had fundamental disagreements on the nature of man and his relationship to government.

    So I don’t really get the idea that there’s any option OTHER than what these people are doing. Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden aren’t going to change their minds and say “you know what? Those angry rednecks are right.” They’re just going to fuck you harder. If people don’t start fighting back now, and I mean actually fighting it, it will only make things much, much worse down the line. There is no “moment” where it suddenly becomes okay to fight tyranny, it’s never pretty, and it’s never going to be fought alongside your bestie liberty buddies. It’s uglier than dogshit and you’ll probably despise people you work with, but it can’t happen any other way.

    I don’t even know if these people ARE fighting for liberty. Frankly, I don’t much care. They’re probably more closely aligned with my ideas on liberty than the Left and they’re scaring the right people. If I sit around waiting for the perfect friend, I’m going to wind up in a camp somewhere wondering whycome nobody is a perfect libertarian like me?

    • Mustang

      Well shit, that posted before I wanted it too. Fuck it. Enjoy my rambling stream of incoherence.

      • Plinker762

        Rambling streams of incoherence are the best streams.

      • Gustave Lytton

        As long as they’re not crossed.

      • hayeksplosives

        I’m fuzzy on the good/bad thing.

      • KSuellington

        Well done stream. Wading in it noted and appreciated.

    • Mustang

      I don’t really know what to do about it though. I’m trying to find people within my community who are at least similarly-minded and bring them together. So far I’ve managed to gather a handful of people from several different walks of life and we just hang out to talk about current events and things we are doing in our personal lives. I’ve given serious consideration to a couple other options that would require me to uproot my whole life and the family is supportive. Right now, though, I think people need to know they aren’t out there on their own, that there is a community outside of the socialist-controlled media, and that we CAN talk to other people. It’s about as much as I am able to at the moment.

      • hayeksplosives

        Right now, though, I think people need to know they aren’t out there on their own,

        I too take great comfort in knowing it’s not just me.

        There are many people out there feeling politically homeless now, being thoroughly disgusted with party leaders and politicians of Dems and Repubs. Some might even identify as libertarian if they knew what it means.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Well put, where’s the thumbs up button? I’m not going to cluck my tongue at those people and the only people that were hurt were hurt by the cops. Frankly, the lesson of the summer was that political violence works.

  42. Gustave Lytton

    https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/01/protest-set-for-oregon-capitol-as-trump-stages-dc-rally-lawmakers-convene-to-confirm-electoral-college-vote.html

    Counter-demonstrators arrived outside the Capitol and the array of protesters blocked traffic near the building.

    The Oregon State Police at that point declared the event an unlawful assembly, calling on those gathered to immediately disperse.

    Salem city officials and Oregon leaders had prepared for possible bedlams. Police told people to avoid all streets near the Capitol and closed several surrounding streets.

    So how did those protestors block traffic then?

    And I forgot the “unlawful assembly” designation exception to the right of the people to assemble and petition their government. The state capital grounds are the most logical place for such assemblage and petitioning.

  43. Gustave Lytton

    Six months of rioting through out cities and little to no military force used. A couple of hours annoyance by the people’s hired bitches and there’s multiple states mobilized. The stark difference is almost an absolute admission that antifa is a controlled organ of the deep state.

    • Heroic Mulatto

      To play devil’s advocate, it’s different when its the seat of government at the nation’s capital as opposed to the CBD of some rando city.

    • Plinker762

      The Chi-Coms have already gotten their money’s worth out of Biden.

      • KSuellington

        This was the best virus that they ever designed. At least in terms of strengthening their hand. The CCP could not have asked for a better world response that what has happened.

      • Heroic Mulatto

        Or maybe just karma for bat soup jokes while the people of Wuhan were getting their apartment doors welded shut for 2 weeks or until they died of dehydration – whichever came first.

      • KSuellington

        Unfortunately I don’t think the leadership of the CCP will ever face that. In the afterlife, who knows, I am not a big believer. In the next decade or two I doubt, but let’s see.

      • Floridaman

        I think he meant karma for everyone else.

      • Plinker762

        One of the draws for christianity; the king is a bastard by he’ll rot in hell.

    • Plinker762

      I made a comment about allowing the cities to burn this summer and was told is was because OMB was hiding in his bunker while it happened. I quietly backed away.

      • Floridaman

        Yeah no point getting involved, the opinions in general are hardening, outside of maybe here, you won’t convince anyone of anything.

      • Plinker762

        “I don’t want to change their opinions, I want to grind them under my heal” seems to be the coming order.

      • Yusef, Stirred, not Shaken

        People suck, this is known….

  44. hayeksplosives

    The meaning of “You can vote your way into socialism but you’ll have to shoot your way out” will make itself understood in the next 20 years.

    Hard to believe that most Americans have had to deal with the DMV and yet still enthusiastically push to put the government in charge of more aspects of their lives.

    They really are fooled by “Madame Senator” and “Your Honor.” Those people are NOT elite! They are NOT smarter or more noble than you are.

  45. hayeksplosives

    How many years until we have NHS/VA type “single payer” medical system?

    And after that, how many years until your debit card won’t allow you to buy more refined flour or red meat or wine this month?

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      At least with two pounds of butter and a dozen eggs you’ll still be able to get a pack of cigarettes.

      • CPRM

        Butter leads to Gout. Gout leads to Anger. Anger Leads to Hate. Better butter you not have.

  46. Gender Traitor

    I was busy all day yesterday at work and had managed to avoid the news. I heard just a little on the way home when I switched on the radio to see if there was an accident slowing traffic through downtown. (There wasn’t.) I think I’m just as glad to have blithely gone about my evening not knowing what was going on.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      The news is really the reaction to the news, the only people seriously hurt of killed in the display yesterday were shot by the police but you’d think they torched the building and the people in it from the rhetorical response.

      • Sean

        I hate your avatar, in case you care.

      • CPRM

        I mean, I hate that Michael Strahan got the sack record by Favre laying down as much as anyone, but that’s no reason to hate the Singer of Happy-Happy-Joy-Joy.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Best get used to that face.

    • CPRM

      A proud boy tugged on your ‘flag’?

  47. Ownbestenemy

    Ugh now to try and stave off a day in a FedGov building avoiding what is normal people turning into Goofy when he gets behind the wheel.

    My brother is outraged! Outraged I tell you! How dare people protest and destroy property….I left that alone. He spent a year or two in Denmark and he has fantasies of Bernie crowned.

    My wife at 9pm last night rolls over and says “What the hell happened today?” I said “People were pissed, they protested and unfortunately, a lady was shot” Her response was “Okay, I have an early morning tomorrow”

    I really enjoy coming in early to work. Its me and my equipment. We understand each other.

    • Sean

      Its me and my equipment

      Euphemism?

      • Ownbestenemy

        Take it for what you think. I coax it to get what I need out of it. It performs as I demand. Sometimes I have to groom it a bit. /system administrator

    • CPRM

      Ashli Babbit was shot through a window on a closed door by an officer.

      Outrage!

      Babbit appeared to be standing behind a group of people who were attempting to gain entry into the chamber.

      Um…so, she was trespassing invading breaking and entering peacefully protesting?!

    • Not an Economist

      I know people died in the protests last summer, but did the police ever kill anyone? I can’t remember if they did.

      • CPRM

        did the police ever kill anyone? I can’t remember if they did.

        And they thank you for not being a snitch.

  48. CPRM

    I will just say, Audible is the worst things to happen to audio books since the invention of recorded sound.

    • UnCivilServant

      If you’re going to say that, you have to say why.

      • CPRM

        Do you want to own the audio books you paid for? Then Fuck You! (How is that?)

      • UnCivilServant

        You don’t immediately rip them to a DRM-free format that will last as long as you maintain backups?

      • CPRM

        I did for the one that I got, and said fuck this shit.

    • CPRM

      Just because they are grandstanding assholes doesn’t mean we have to try to climb on top of bodies faster.

  49. Akira

    Heroic Mulatto posted:

    The lives saved by banning the consumption of white sugar would be tenfold to the lives saved from instituting a lockdown for COVID.

    I’ve also compared it to HIV… If civil liberties must take a backseat to “public health”, why not institute personal lockdowns for those who test positive for HIV? Why not outlaw unprotected male-male sex? Any objection must apply to COVID as well.