A Certain Sort of Truck History

by | Mar 2, 2021 | History | 155 comments

MS mentioned the KTA engine recently, and I thought to collect my thumbnail histories of US heavy truck industry.  This isn’t complete or well documented (in fact, all the hard details are plagiarized from wiki), but, as a manufacturing buddy used to say, it’s directionally correct, only useful in avoiding an open post . . . here goes.

I know a little about “American” heavy truck.  Over the road trucks discussed here generally mean Class 8:  33,001 pounds gross and heavier, so semi tractors and the very largest straight trucks and dump trucks. Medium duty starts at 26,001 pounds and is generally built by the same firms.  There’s no law on badging, which is mere product positioning, but, for example, an F350 is a class 3 vehicle . . . and so on.  Personal note:  my truck is class 2 but is nevertheless badged as a “1500;” it’s a so-called “HD” of the light truck sort, but, in the business, “heavy duty” and “heavy truck” mean Class 8.

The big boys in North America are Paccar, Volkswagen, Daimler, and Volvo.  In automotive, brands are called badges after the hood nameplate tradition; which badges are whose is a fun puzzle I’ll solve a bit at a time below.

 

 

Detroit Mucks About

 

circa 1968 C70

GM had built heavy trucks since 1938.  They got out of the business and essentially sold their Detroit Diesel business to Penske in 1988.  DDE would come to matter very much very soon.

 

 

 

Ford L series

Ford is a rambling story and irrelevant today; they built bigger trucks starting in 1948 or so until they sold that business to Daimler in 1997.  Reviving a dead pre-war badge, Sterling was focused increasingly on medium duty until it was rendered redundant by 2008.

 

 

 

Dodge similarly bumbled about the business from maybe Korea.  I’m not an expert on Dodge, but I don’t think anyone is, and you have to ask yourself:  who would buy a Dodge when affordable, competent trucks were being built by International in those same years?  With the oil crises and interest rates in double digits, the answer was clear by 1976:  nobody.

 

 

Steady Eddie and Eddy

 

Smokey and the Bandit Kenworth W900

Kent and Worthington created Kenworth in 1923; Pacific Car bought them in 1945.

T.A. Peterman tuned military trucks during the Depression; Pacific Car bought the firm in 1958.

Paccar still owns Kenworth and Peterbilt as well as Leyland (UK) and DAF (NL).  It is widely regarded as one of the best-managed corporations of any sort in America.  They build about a fourth of US class 8.

 

 

1960 Pete 281

Being steady and knowing what you’re doing doesn’t lead to a long and winding story.

 

Other Ancient News

Consolidated Freightways, a cartage company, had built their own trucks since the Depression.  There are stories about why:  gasoline engines and trouble climbing the Rockies; but one thing is confirmed:  CFi was the largest trucking firm in the US for several years.  CFi collapsed during the Reagan administration, the rightful victim of deregulation and recession, and Daimler bought the Freightliner division in 1981.  ConMet was a Freightliner division from 1964 to 1987 and continues to supply the industry with components and even integrated systems.  Freightliner continues to build the most Class 8 trucks of any firm in North America, about a third.  Daimler has been the largest manufacturer of commercial vehicles in the world for years.

Freightways Freightliner

 

International Transtar dominated the 1970s market

McCormick and Deering merged to form International Harvester in 1902, the great American farming tractor company.  Their first pickup dates from around 1908, and they became a serious truck company in 1961.  The agricultural and equipment conglomerate started coming unwound, and they began divesting assets in 1982; by 1986 they ran out of time and cash and took bankruptcy.  Navistar emerged and survives as their umbrella firm.

 

 

 

Mack B68

The Mack Brothers’ first truck was built in 1907, and their model AC was the first great post-horse military transport.  Particularly successful on the Western Front, Mack brought back the bulldog nickname earned for their tenacious consistency.  The bulldog endures as a “hood” ornament, mostly in a silvery chrome; for many years a golden bulldog signified that the attached vehicle had Mack engine, transmission, and axles.

 

 

 

William Brockway started building trucks in New York before that same war, mostly vocational, that part of the business which includes platforms for garbage collection and concrete mixer/delivery.

The wiki entry on Autocar is excellent:  they built their first truck in 1899 in Pittsburgh.

Marmon hand-built huge trucks and are said to have built the heaviest truck ever.  The frame rails I saw were matched elsewhere in the severe duty sector by bolting together two steel channels on each side of the chassis.

Volvo built its first truck in Sweden in 1928.  They continued to steadily grow by producing cars, marine engines, and construction vehicles.  By 1970 they were an eminent, storied, premier, but mostly European manufacturer.

 

 

Other Corporate Games

Mack bought Brockway in 1956.  Early seventies Brockways were obviously just badged Macks, and the brand was discontinued in 1977, but by then the Mack concrete truck had become an American fixture.

White started with steam vehicles in 1898 but slowly, eventually became a marketing company putting their badge on everything from sewing machines to trucks; White is associated with Freightliner, GM, and Volvo, and they bought Autocar in 1953.  They built the Western Star plant in British Columbia in 1967.  Volvo bought many of White’s assets in 1981 and set up office in Greensboro.  Volvo then spun off Western Star which was acquired by Daimler in 2001, who quickly consolidated production to Portland OR where that badge survives, a very small line positioned for severe duty.

As evidence of how goofy some of that got, this is an early American Volvo:

Volvo: White GMC with Autocar fender badge

 

and we’re waiting here in Allentown

Renault bought a stake in Mack in 1979 and acquired the rest in 1990.  Volvo, which sold their car business to Ford in 1989, acquired Renault’s truck division in 2001.  Autocar was then sold to GVW and survives as a tiny specialty truck company.

Mack’s original offices were relocated to GSO, and I miss them.  It was full of 20- and 30-year veterans; they remembered everything and were very hands-on and slow, and, of course, markets won’t tolerate that, and neither could Volvo.

Volvo is the premier business-equipment truck with an excellent safety record; Volvo builds maybe a fifth of Class 8, including Mack, which continues mostly as their vocational line.

Penske sold DDE to Daimler in 2000, so they then had the largest engine capacity in North America.  DDE engines have long since been standard equipment on Freightliners and at some point were no longer made available to Daimler competitors.

Marmon never sold many trucks and eventually was displaced by high-volume competition, but I suspect their legacy in north Texas is the second reason why Peterbilt built a plant in Denton.  The only Marmon plant I ever visited was in Garland and ran until 1999; the last Marmon I ever saw was maybe 2014.  International has had several projects since in the Garland facility, mostly specialty products that I’m sure my NDA still covers.

Speaking of Denton, I know they had at least one plant in King County WA near corporate, and I worked at the one in Madison TN.  Around 2008 or 2009, Madison’s union struck, and Paccar responded by building what they could at non-union Denton, which, in that economy, was good enough.  The strike continued, Denton was retooled to handle all the Madison models, and Paccar simply forgot to attend any more negotiations in Tennessee.  The Denton plant is exactly what you might predict:  warm, collaborative, and hard-working; do take the tour if you’re ever near DFW.

I touched in a recent thread upon the American struggle with meeting engine emissions requirements.  It’s probably fair to say this was a big part of International’s recent problems; Navistar was acquired by Volkswagen in 2020.

That’s all I know:  maybe more than I know.

 

that’s all, folks !!

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Don escaped Memphis

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155 Comments

  1. UnCivilServant

    Okay.

    Seems like your cargo got stolen somewhere.

  2. Dr. Fronkensteen

    Navistar was acquired by Volkswagen in 2020.

    Well that would take care of the meeting the emission standard problem.

      • KromulentKristen

        That is WAY better than the original

    • pistoffnick

      I was gonna link to that song with the line “standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona” but I can’t do the Eagles, man.

      • The Hyperbole

        That may just be the worst cover of a song ever.

    • Pine_Tree

      Can’t see YT, but what came to mind for me were “Convoy” and “Give Me Forty Acres”

      • Sensei

        I haven’t watched “Convoy since the 1980s. Something tells me it isn’t going to hold up.

        Convoy (1978 film)

      • CPRM

        What’s not to hold up? Fed Gov made 55mph the law of the land and made it illegal for a certain number of trucks to align on a single highway, and they made a movie about how that was horse shit. Seems like something to celebrate whether or not the movie was any good.

      • Sensei

        I’ve no issues with “sticking it to the man” – I’m just wondering if it’s fun to watch.

        The issue from a quick scan of Wiki that fits with my memory is it couldn’t decide if it wanted to play it straight and criticize the man or be a comedy sticking it to the man. By trying to split the difference I seem to recall it being less effective as both.

      • CPRM

        Meh, Kris Kristofferson is a good lead. Fun theme song. I haven’t watched it about 20 years, but not sure how it could not age well after it was still good a decade after it was made when it was never intended to be a serious piece. It was kitsch when it came out and still would be today. The pacing may not be to modern standards, but modern audiences prefer Fast and the Furious 8 over Smokey and the Bandit, so make of that what you will.

      • Sensei

        I love “Smokey and the Bandit”, but that had far fewer dramatic intentions than I remember from “Convoy”.

        I also believe that without Gleason “Smokey and the Bandit” wouldn’t have been nearly as much fun.

      • Bobarian LMD

        When I get home, I’m gonna punch yo momma right in da mouff, cause dere ain’t no way you da fruit of my loins!

      • DEG

        Excellent.

        The bars better fucking be open for St. Patrick’s Day this year.

      • DEG

        Sounds like the same tune as this song.

      • The Other Kevin

        That’s my choice. It annoys the piss out of my family when we go on a road trip because I just have to play that song.

      • Bobarian LMD

        You got to play Westbound and Down for the return trip!

      • Mojeaux

        That song makes me happy. It’s my safe space.

    • Ted S.

      I don’t think anybody mentioned this one.

  3. Chipwooder

    Looking at some of those picks, it made me think – you never see cab over axle trucks anymore.

    • Not Adahn

      Our “new” Spartan pumper engine is one.

    • Bobarian LMD

      They push a lot more air, which makes a small amount of difference in mileage. Which adds up over a million miles.

    • Threedoor

      Not in the US but everywhere else.

  4. CPRM

    My dad owned an International Cab-over and a couple Freightliners in his short time as an owner operator. He was able to sell them off as needed. His cousin still owns the Marmon he bought in the mid 90s, because he and his wife were a team it was a house on wheels (complete with shower, septic, etc) and no one wanted to buy that beast.

    Knowing that The conventional (the trucks with a hood) were the original, thus the name, I never really knew why cab-overs (Optimus Prime) were a thing in the 70s/80s until this last year, yeah, it was government regs.

      • Not Adahn

        They are more maneuverable than standard designs, but that doesn’t mean they’re easier to drive, at least not unless you’ve got enough practice at them.

        I have never passed the driving qual on mine. Of course, they won’t pay me to go out and practice either.

  5. Muzzled Woodchipper

    My next door neighbor still drives once every couple weeks.

    His truck has about 1.5m miles.

    That just boggles my fucking mind.

  6. Tundra

    When I was a kid, my uncle drove a bad-ass red and silver Peterbilt. I thought truck driver was the coolest job in the world.

    Thanks for the history lesson, Don!

    • Pope Jimbo

      When I was a kid my parents hung out with a group of people that included the parents of a classmate.

      I thought he was so lucky because his dad drove long haul trucks AND when he was home helped his brothers with their garbage truck company by being a driver. They had a CB base station in their house!

      My dad was so lame compared to that dad. He just hassled criminals (after they had already been caught).

      • commodious spittoon

        Defense attorney?

        /not so fond memories working reception for a DUI lawyer. My first task every morning was assembling the arrest list from the previous day and running off postcards

      • Pope Jimbo

        Probation/parole officer.

  7. Sukkoi19

    Brings back memories. I drove tractor-trailer OTR back in 99-03 before I went back to school and it was a great way to haze in a sleep deprived state through the 49 states and Canada. Still remember when I got my first condo ceiling Century class. Seemed like a mini apartment compared the flat top I had before.

  8. Sensei

    Fun read, thanks. Now waiting for Scruffy to participate so we can all discuss what emissions control has done to cost, service requirements and reliability….

  9. Timeloose

    The sound of a Detroit Diesel 71 with no mufflers is still an amazing sound. You can only hear them this way on old fire trucks.

    Super charged; yep. Turbo charged; yep. Two stroke; certainly.

  10. KromulentKristen

    I like to annoy my road trip companions every time I see a Kenworth hauling a certain type of organic raw material. Especially if it’s June.

  11. pistoffnick

    My dad took me on a long haul in his truck when I was 3 or 4. I had to pee in orange juice containers because he didn’t like to stop. Then he’d throw the piss-filled jugs at oncoming traffic.

    • Stillhunter

      Username checks out

    • Aloysious

      I hope they weren’t glass containers.

  12. Gender Traitor

    Quite OT: Through work, I’m on the e-mail list of a local florist. Today’s “Cash and Carry Special” – a “Wandering Dude.”

    ::Kif sigh::

  13. CPRM

    How I saw much of the US was with my dad in his truck. “Look, over there is Mt. Rushmore, we can’t go there because we’re not delivering there.” “Look, over there is Washington DC, we can’t go there because we’re not delivering there”…

    But I did get to enjoy a lot of fine truckstop grub.

    • Bobarian LMD

      My Dad worked for Schwan’s Ice Cream for about 18 years. I’d spend about half my summer riding in Class 3/Class 4 trucks and hauling boxes of frozen food into a farmer’s freezer.

      Lots of fine truckstop food and learning how to cuss like a trucker.

      • Old Man With Candy

        Out west, a large proportion of the truckstops feature things like dal makhani, palak panir, and naan.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Good question. I miss him.

      Of course I never bragged about my projects in IoT where we rigged up long haul truckers to make sure that they complied with all the regulations. Once you put GPS and other sensors in a rig it is the end of them driving all night and then faking their log books.

      It is actually one of the few IoT applications that made business sense. Gordi and I could probably agree that the root cause was the regulations put in place by the govt, not the actual monitoring of the truckers.

      At least I hope so.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Apocryphal but I heard that those super accurate books also initially caused some heartburn for carriers because the miles/time and so on charged to the customers wasn’t always quite spot on.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Like all IoT stuff, the data can be absolutely double edged.

        The classic was trying to sell temperature monitoring on a walk in cooler. The inventory in an average walk-in is between $15K – $20K.

        Restaurant owners love the idea of getting an alert when something fails and the temp climbs. The problem is that all that temp data you collect can also be used by health authorities to prove that you should have thrown the food out anyhow because it took you too long to fix things.

        You always knew the sketchy restaurants because the owners would ask if they had control of the data and if they could delete it (“to save space”).

    • Old Man With Candy

      He’s alive, kicking, and dealing with Young Gordies. We still swap IMs and emails from time to time.

      • DEG

        That’s good to hear.

    • Mojeaux

      He’s on Twitter.

  14. creech

    Is CB a thing with truckers any longer? I recently passed a big pileup in the other direction on an interstate and the traffic was stopped. Five or ten miles later, there were still trucks heading in that direction, even though I then passed an off ramp where they could have easily diverted had they known about the stoppage ahead.

    • CPRM

      I’m not sure how or if it’s used today, in the mid ots I worked with one of my dad’s old trucker buddies and it was still in use, but not sure about now.

    • Sensei

      Probably 5 or 6 years ago I recall an interview with an operator who was an avid amateur radio operator. So they may well use other bands and repeaters that work better over longer distances.

      • Pope Jimbo

        I can’t believe there isn’t a CB app for cell phones.

        *quick DuckDuckGo search*

        Huh, looks like there are a few apps that emulate a CB.

    • Threedoor

      I only use mine to warn other drivers of wrecks, cops, and let the equipment operators know I’m entering a rock quarry.

      Most of the chatter is annoying and I usually have my CB turned off.

  15. zwak

    DEG, you were wondering about the Rockwell Kent Mody Dick value?

    https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&cm_sp=SearchF-_-Advtab1-_-Results&ds=30&kn=rockwell%20kent&n=100121503&pn=Random%20house&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=moby%20dick&yrh=1930&yrl=1930

    As always, condition and providence are everything (not unlike rifles) but the Kent edition (1930), and there are some other things mixed in with these results, runs from $160 to $1500. The latter with Dust Jacket (although there is one listed at that price sans, that is usually the sign of an idiot who doesn’t know the trade)

    Butchers Crossing which I also mentioned, is a book that almost no one knows about, runs in first with DJ from $650 to $5500 signed.

    Now, all of those prices are what is currently being asked, and not what they sold at, but it should give you a good idea. And damn do I miss that business.

    • DEG

      Wow.

      I’ll have to go through my collection to see if I still have it. I’m not going to sell it, but it would be good to know that I still have that copy.

      Thanks!

  16. Gustave Lytton

    Love those old timey photos, particularly the International Transtar one. Memories of what trucks used to look like.

  17. kinnath

    On topic?!?

    At least 15 killed in crash with semitruck in Southern California

    • Tundra

      That’s bizarre.

      Judy Cruz, managing director of the emergency department at El Centro Regional Medical Center, said during a press conference that a vehicle with 27 passengers hit a semitruck full of gravel.

      The picture looks like the gravel truck hit a Ford Excursion. How the hell can you fit 27 people in that?

      • kinnath

        College prank?

      • Pope Jimbo

        “just north of the Mexican border”

        Not to stereotype, but I’d be willing to bet that there were only 2 American citizens out of those 27 people in that car tops.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Could have just as easily been anywhere in the central valley, between Bakersfield and Salinas, and that would have still been true. I remember news exposes on 3 bd/ 2 ba homes in Salinas where 30 to 40 people were living there with handmade triple bunkbeds.

        Looked like Stalag 17 inside there.

  18. Old Man With Candy

    That last photo- definitely not a low emissions vehicle.

  19. Rebel Scum

    You know that thing that we recommended that doesn’t work and is damaging your health? Time to triple down.

    Responding to a question on U.S. President Joe Biden ‘double masking’, Dr Hopkins said during a Downing Street press briefing on Monday: “The more layers you have, the better.”

    “What we recommend is at least two layers and ideally three layers in a mask. That is really important to reduce the virus transmission both from you to others and others to you,” Hopkins added, according to The Times.

    She then appeared to suggest that double masking could be coming to the United Kingdom, describing discussions about mask regulations as “ongoing”: “We have got a facemasks and face coverings advisory group who meet on a regular basis and look at new and emerging evidence. The U.S. has looked at some of that evidence as well.

    “We are in an ongoing discussion about what to do next. But we think one mask that has more than two layers in it is currently effective for the vast majority of the population.”

    • Gustave Lytton

      Layers or masks? Disposable surgical/procedure masks are already three layers.

      • Master JaimeRoberto (royal we/us)

        Need to make sure that the middle layer is a plastic bag.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Cover the outside with duct tape and you’re almost set,

        Almost.

      • db

        You need a really good seal to make sure no pathogens sneak around the edges.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Another layer of duct tape on the inside, with the sticky side toward you.

    • R C Dean

      We have got a facemasks and face coverings advisory group who meet on a regular basis and look at new and emerging evidence.

      JFC. What more evidence do you need than (i) masking compliance was very high when (ii) the last and biggest surge hit? At some point, when your process doesn’t drive improvements in results, you dump the process.

      • Muzzled Woodchipper

        At some point, when your process doesn’t drive improvements in results, you dump the process.

        That’s productive person thinking.

        With government committees, their prescription is never bad, just the implementation, and the answer is always to double down.

  20. grrizzly

    Several years ago I was working on a case concerning truck transmissions. Suddenly I started recognizing all the truck badges on a highway. Navistar (International) was then still independent.

  21. Gustave Lytton

    From a discussion a couple weeks back about professional drivers causing wrecks

    https://youtu.be/HfV8wLTp6S8

    Mountain Man Mike scares the shit out of me while admiring his ability to not have wrecked already plus his spot on observations about highway traffic.

    • BakedPenguin

      Call you fishmeal.TL; DW. Whahappon?

      • BakedPenguin

        Ah, fuck. Edit fairy, could you delete the one above and this one?

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      And it was in the morning thread…drugs, ass, etc.

  22. Chipwooder

    Figured this was appropriate : George Thorogood’s “Gear Jammer” played over a montage of big rigs from movies like Mad Max, Duel, Terminator 2 and more.

    • Creosote Achilles

      You…I don’t even remember what the name is for completely missing link. Also, I could really use a Cheerwine and a taste of home about now.

      • R C Dean

        Not sure we have one. May I propose “Squatch” as the name for the missing link.

      • db

        STEVE SMITH NO MISSING — RIGHT BEHIND YOU

      • Bobarian LMD

        I was wondering why the hairs on the back of my neck stood up and left.

  23. Creosote Achilles

    Thanks, Don. I’ve always been fascinated by big trucks, esp. since I was al little kid. For years, my mom did sales(!) for a trucking firm that was the primary employer in her home town. They had a museum of the trucks they used, and I use to love climbing in them. “Fuck it, I’m going to be a truck driver” was always my exit strategy instead of joining the circus.

  24. db

    Cool article. I have always admired the big trucks. I had a friend in high school whose dad was a long haul driver. I always wondered what it was like for her, only getting to see her dad 2 or 3 weekends a month.

    • Chipwooder

      I could tell you! heh….my dad wasn’t a trucker, though, he was a salesman, and he was always home on weekends, just never the week.

    • pistoffnick

      It sucked.

    • db

      I don’t get it.

      • DEG

        “15 days to flatten the curve”

      • db

        But, like, are we bombing Kurds now or what did I miss?

      • DEG

        If we’re not, just give it some time.

    • Rebel Scum

      I chuckled whey too hard at that.

      • Tundra

        Yeah, I think the guy is really milking it.

  25. DEG

    A now-dead relative of mine used to have an ancient International pickup. He loved that thing. I can’t remember what model year it was, but I remember it was old, well-used, well-maintained, and well-loved.

    For some bizarre reason, I thought Mack was still American owned. Ooops.

  26. kinnath

    Obstruction of justice. OMB! Wait, isn’t he gone?

    FBI Director Wray won’t share Officer Brian Sicknick’s cause of death with senators

    FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday refused to tell senators the cause of death for Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, whose death heavily influenced coverage of the Capitol riot.

    • R C Dean

      What a fucking weasel.

      Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) asked if that meant the FBI “have not determined” the cause of Sicknick’s death.

      “That means we can’t yet disclose a cause of death at this stage,” Wray said.

      Grassley pressed on, asking Wray to confirm whether the FBI has determined a cause of death.

      “I didn’t say that. We’re not at a point where we can disclose or confirm the cause of death,” Wray said.

      And of course, no one asked why publicly stating why he died would interfere with the investigation. For most murder investigations, the cause of death is immediately announced, after all.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        In a year or so when this is water way under the bridge it’ll be officially be made known that he died from a stroke while sitting at his desk later that day. Lies of omission are the weasiliest lies.

      • Not Adahn

        I wish that were so.

        What they’re waiting for is to first, identify the malefactor, then identify something the malefactor did. Only then can they tell us that the malefactor’s action cause the death of nobleselflesshero.

        The fact that the malefactor’s defense team won’t be able to contradict the “testimony” of the coroner’s report (which of course has NEVER beene edited) is just something that the malefactor should have thought of before they decided to murder officer nobleselflesshero.

      • Muzzled Woodchipper

        What a fucking sham.

        I guess they aren’t done with the InSuRrEcTiOn!!! just yet. The media still needs the lack of disclosure to keep the narrative going.

        This is no accident. As long as there are no facts attached to the narrative, it can’t be challenged. It can always be exactly what they want it to be at any given moment.

        This is a sure sign the riot had nothing to do with his death.

    • Shpip

      I’m probably missing something here, but how hard would it be for a senator to file a FOIA request with the DC medical examiner?

      • R C Dean

        How hard would it be for a Senator to tell Wray that answer is unacceptable, and he needs to say, right now, what the cause of death was. The autopsy is done, the cause of death is determined by the autopsy. What does the autopsy say?

        Whether that death was caused by a criminal act is not determined by the autopsy. Wray can keep that secret, I suppose, to avoid queering the investigation. Theoretically.

      • Old Man With Candy

        How hard would it be for a Senator to tell Wray that answer is unacceptable, and he needs to say, right now, what the cause of death was.

        “I’m sorry, Senator, that just cannot be disclosed at this point in the investigation.”

        You can’t nail Jello to the wall.

      • R C Dean

        No, but I could have some fun with him.

        Has the autopsy been completed? Are there any lab tests still outstanding?

        Does the autopsy state the cause or causes of death?

        With the subject of an autopsy buried, have you ever seen a medical examiner change the determination of the cause of death in a final autopsy report?

        Would it be accurate to say that the cause of death is publicly known before the criminal investigation is complete?

        Can you think of a murder investigation that failed because the cause of death was publicly known?

        Do you believe Mr. Sicknick’s death is a matter of public concern?

        I can do this all day. Part of the fun is doing it cross-examination style (yes or no questions) and then holding the witness to yes or no answers. They can blather all they want, as long as I get a yes or a no.

    • Rebel Scum

      It is not politically advantageous to the correct political party if the cause is disclosed.

  27. The Late P Brooks

    Steaming pile of bullshit

    FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday refused to tell senators the cause of death for Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, whose death heavily influenced coverage of the Capitol riot.

    Reports after Jan. 6 originally said Sicknick died after being bludgeoned by a fire extinguisher while fighting off then-President Donald Trump’s supporters, which authorities didn’t deny at the time. The claim became part of the impeachment trial case against Trump for allegedly inciting the riot — though his family now says it’s untrue.

    Wray cited an “ongoing” investigation into Sicknick’s death.

    “I certainly understand and respect and appreciate the keen interest in what happened to him — after all, he was here protecting all of you. And as soon as there is information that we can appropriately share, we want to be able to do that. But at the moment, the investigation is still ongoing,” Wray said at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.

    “Can’t tell you. It’s a secret.”

    It looks like that particular corpse is a precarious perch for the bloody shirt wavers.

    • Bobarian LMD

      Piles of bodies can be a slippery place to stand.

      • Hyperion

        Standing on piles of dead bodies is something that most democrat politicians have decades of experience at.

    • Ownbestenemy

      I am sure that family is thrilled to be part of all that horseshit. What a fucking travesty

  28. The Late P Brooks

    “Officer Sicknick died of grief and a broken heart; he was overcome by revulsion and dismay. Reliving the horrific scene of rape and plunder in the very Temple of Democracy, as he wrote his report of the day’s activities, he succumbed.”

  29. Hyperion

    “A Certain Sort of Truck History”

    Racist truck history? We need truck equity!

  30. Not Adahn
  31. UnCivilServant

    Lunch was late, but worth the wait.

    Toasted some pretzel rolls, cooked some bacon, fried two eggs seasoned with pepper (hard fried so no runny yolk), shredded mozzerella (I was out of sliced or slicable cheeze) and patties of grass fed ground beef (salt and peppered).

    Didn’t need veggies or condiments.

    • Not Adahn

      Yolk sauce is a condiment.

      And it would have been better with butter.

      • Tundra

        Mine was a 10 oz filet and three eggs (fried in butter, of course).

      • UnCivilServant

        I cooked the yolk.

        And there was a good deal of butter, since that’s what the rolls toasted in, what the eggs cooked in, and what the patties cooked on.

      • Mojeaux

        He means Hollandaise.

      • UnCivilServant

        I had enough work to do with what I got done, and I was getting hungry.

        Besides, I’m almost out of eggs.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Your uterus is drying up?

  32. Ownbestenemy

    Ive gone through this. I hope this family gets a win cause family courts/psychology shame happens all over the damn place.

  33. grrizzly

    Texas becomes biggest US state to lift COVID-19 mask mandate

    Texas is lifting its mask mandate, Gov. Greg Abbott said Tuesday, making it the largest state to end an order intended to prevent the spread of the coronavirus that has killed more than 42,000 Texans.

    The Republican governor has faced sharp criticism from his party over the mandate, which was imposed eight months ago, and other COVID-19 restrictions. It was only ever lightly enforced, even during the worst outbreaks of the pandemic.

    Texas will also do away with limits on the number of diners that businesses can serve indoors, said Abbott, who made the announcement at a restaurant in Lubbock. He said the new rules would take effect March 10.

    • UnCivilServant

      Why March 10?

      If you’re getting rid of restrictions, why not now?

      • DEG

        It should be immediate, but at this point, I’ll take what I can get.

      • Not Adahn

        Backlog at the Texas State Governor’s Proclamation print shop. Due to the snowstorm.

    • DEG

      Good. I’m taxing this and spreading it around. Thanks!

      • The Hyperbole

        Lookit Mr Big Govm’nt Lib here, Taxing and spreading.

    • Hyperion

      They’re all going to die! You won’t be able to drive over all the bodies in the streets! Just like Florida!

    • Lady Z

      About damn time. We’ll see how the businesses handle it, but I’m guessing we’ll see a lot of them continuing to require masks.

  34. Threedoor

    I know a little bit about REO as I have a 1947 F22 truck which was a two ton. Their history is messy. The bought out Diamond T then merged with White and eventually went the way of the dinosaur after AM General bought out the military end of REO which was the M35 Eager Beaver. REO made the cabs for the 5ton trucks but didn’t make the rest of the trucks.

  35. Threedoor

    The Dodge over the road trucks are pretty rare. Their production numbers were low and they entered the Market late. Even trying to sweeten the deal by giving away halfton pickups with the purchase of a semi. It didn’t work.

  36. Not Adahn

    So is the 30 minute rule on the links 30 minutes from when they actually post, or when they’re supposed to post? Asking for me.

  37. Rebel Scum

    We seem to be missing links.

  38. Don escaped Cancun

    late note; I was busy all day

    “cab over axle trucks”
    The federal increase in overall vehicle length rendered them moot

    “Military truck”
    FWIW: lots of US and NATO chassis now have Chinese parts

    “REO”
    an uncle drove one when I was tiny; I decided to draw the line at Marmon on obscure history, but REO mattered once; also, it’s funny how White had their thumb in every pie at one time or another

    “Spartan”
    hmmmmm: strong chance I’m already someone’s buddy on Linkedin

    “DDE”
    is an engine program at DDC (Detroit Diesel Corp), so you can see how the mind works . . . or doesn’t . . . some times