Elections: Can our Neighbors or the Experts save Us ?

by | Oct 26, 2021 | Deep State, Executive Branch, Federal Power | 245 comments

Get on your knees and pray tune

Stupid voters are stupid, especially at the Associated Press.  As frivolous a topic as football is, it remains terribly useful as cautionary tale.  Remember that pointyball experts vote to decide each week who should be on top; somehow, after all their experience and calculation, they nonetheless trot out bad idea after bad idea.  So why is it so easy to point out when they have over-rated so many teams?

 

Your neighbors are also seasoned experts who know what laws are needed to manage you and which clowns should write, pass, and enforce them.   I don’t know how to escape my neighbors, experts, and elections . . . it’s scary.  All I can tell you is that life is a popularity contest and democracy is mob rule, and voting, both down at the Middle School or up at the FOMC, has not proven to much outperform chance.

 

 

Back to the test case:  the AP ridicule season is almost over.  The early nonsense has fairly shot their collective wad, and the annual outrageous over-rating from early in the season is eroding as the Likely steamroll the Speculative across the nation’s gridirons.  Pointless optimism has tucked its tail and at least turned to run, and we’re just mopping up now until the last shoe or two drops.

 

Most Over-rated from last week:   How They Fared

  1. UT San Antonio proved nothing by destroying Grambling-for-TheWhites
  2. San Diego State barely got by the University of Space Force
  3. Coastal Carolina lost to Daniel Boone State and fell 10 places
  4. Southern Methodist coasted past the University of Mardi Gras at home
  5. Michigan State took a personal day to rest up from surviving their trip to Bloomington
  6. Wake Forest allowed the University of the Army to hang 56 on them
  7. Oregon barely outlasted nothingburger UCLA
  8. Purdue was blasted by Wisconsin at home and fell out of the rankings
  9. Mississippi played well again and is making its case
  10. North Carolina State lost to The U residue and fell out of the rankings
  11. Cincinnati pulled off a struggle-win over the University of the Navy
  12. Mike Gundy celebrated being forgiven for watching AON and being upgraded to Coach-for-Life by promptly leading Oklahoma State to lose to the Iowa College of Cows and dropping seven places

In the main, these outcomes should have been expected . . . but the experts voted otherwise.  Experts?  Voting?  FTW ?

 

Heads added to the Head

  1. Brigham Young
  2. Kentucky
  3. Arkansas
  4. Iowa
  5. Coastal Carolina
  6. Purdue
  7. North Carolina State
  8. Oklahoma

Most Over-rated:  Yet to be Unmasked

  1. UT San Antonio
  2. San Diego State 26
  3. Michigan State 19
  4. Southern Methodist:  opinions and reality are starting to converge
  5. Wake Forest:  opinions and reality are starting to converge
  6. Oregon
  7. Cincinnati

Not much left to laugh at now after so many cards are on the table, but, sadly, only Michigan State will be tested in week 10 (expect them to be unhorsed by Big Blue at home by at least 12).

 

BUT: Mississippi has earned its way off the list; I was wrong on this one.

 

Best Teams by Number of Games lost

  1. Trump (I meant:  Alabama, but, kinda the same thing)
  2. Iowa State
  3. Wisconsin
  4. Texas
  5. NC State
  6. Navy

 

Speaking of not laughing, another election is only a year away.  Living in the ninth reddest state, my vote doesn’t count at all, but I’ll head over and go through the motions, same as always:  vote for gridlock.  I hate everybody, so for me less is more and a hopeless Biden is the best Biden.  I’m also looking forward to a Republican senate win in Georgia that bankrupts The Steal monotony.  Arizona ought to tump over Mark Kelly, but divisive Republicans there seem intent on blowing that one.  Nevada is bouncing back economically, but I’m not sure if that’s good or bad for Masto; same for Hassan in NH (I’m not clear on who actually lives in or votes in NH any more).

Somewhere in that mess I continue to hope that the Republicans take the Senate and a new flavor of hapless stupidity takes overs in 2023 DC.

 

 

 

 

 

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Don escaped Memphis

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245 Comments

  1. Yusef drives a Kia

    I have no idea what any of that meant, good work it looks like,
    Thanks Don!

  2. The coolest vaccine-free BEAM in the world™

    Harsh.

    I suspect that, if we lived anywhere close to each other, we’d probably get along like a house on fire.

  3. db

    hmmm. I must say I am partial to the pronunciation har-‘kOn-nen versus ‘har-kon-en

  4. Ghostpatzer

    I’ll never see my old school here, will I? Rutgers has not been overrated since 1869.

    • R.J.

      Go Rice!

      • Ghostpatzer

        I am not a betting man, but when i bet I go against the grain.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        A Rye statement right there,

      • Q Continuum

        Nothing Yusef enjoys more than pumping her nickel.

      • J. Frank Parnell

        Come on, that was barley a pun.

    • slumbrew

      Just think how I feel? Northeastern never gets a mention.

      Mind you, they disbanded their football program *checks* 12 years ago, but still…

      • DEG

        Good song.

      • Ghostpatzer

        Nice one. Another piece of vinyl I wore out back in the day. Also relevant given I passed on my 50 51 year HS reunion.

      • slumbrew

        When we were in VT a couple weeks back, the rental house didn’t have a TV but _did_ have a record player and some vinyl, including Countdown to Ecstasy (and a lot of Grateful Dead – Vermont, man).

        I had a nice, nostalgia-filled evening drinking some wine & listening to Steely Dan on the turntable. I hadn’t played an actual record in forever.

      • rhywun

        Ugh. I gave it some thought around the 10 and 20 years but the 30 year rolled around recently and pfffft not a chance.

        I chatted with one good friend from those days on Facederp a few years ago, before I deleted my account. That’s about it. There wasn’t any strong desire to keep it going.

        I jumped around classes a lot and I missed a year spent in Europe plus I’m a bit of a loner so ??‍♂️.

  5. R.J.

    I love the last picture. Stealing it. And yes, gridlock is the best government. Leave us all the hell alone.

    • Loveconstitution1789

      The problem is gridlock only helps democrats get more time to spread communism in America.

      The days of slowing government growth is over. Pick a side or a side will pick you.

      Destroying the democrat party first then bossy republicans next sounds like a plan to me.

      Since hyperinflation will send the World into pitchfork mode (because they dont have guns hahaha), your vote does matter. Either democrats, who hate america, are in charge OR republicans, who kind of like america.

  6. Tulip

    There is a “The Grand Tour” episode called Lochdown where they look at 1970s American cars and why they didn’t catch on. Fun!

    • Tulip

      Didn’t catch on in the UK. They have a Lincoln, a Buick, and a Cadillac.

      • UnCivilServant

        Clarkson has never liked … cars.

        Adjectives are everything.

      • Sensei

        They were really designed for US roads.

        I never understood the huge size especially with two doors. But that was style of the time.

        Not that I’d turn down a restored Coupe de Ville, but it would be for the grins and the nostalgia. Although given the conditions of the roads I’d take floaty ride some days.

      • DEG

        I had two mid-80s Town Cars and two early 00s Crown Vics.

        All were decent for what they were.

        They were really designed for US roads.

        I agree.

        Once in Vienna, Austria, I saw a 50s era Cadillac with a Fleetwood body parked on a Vienna city street. It was odd seeing that there.

      • Drake

        My Dad had a Grand Prix with 400 (6.6 liter) monster motor. Ridiculous and cool.

      • Sensei

        Precisely.

        I’m conflicted on that one if I’d want a 4 speed or hydromatic. It’s more of a cruiser, but it has a sporting pretension.

      • DrOtto

        He’s criticizing ’70s cars while driving a late ’80s town car. Granted, that’s a panther platform which had origins in the late ’70s, but it lived on till the Ford Crown Victoria ushered it out in 2011. Golf trowsers on wheels was a harsh but accurate description of that town car.

      • UnCivilServant

        I wanted a Crown Vic, but they stopped making it before I could afford one.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Still plenty of low miles examples out there along with the Mercury Marquis. They’re nice reliable cars.

      • UnCivilServant

        I am actually worse at car shopping than job shopping. I wouldn’t know where to begin with that search.

      • hayeksplosives

        I got a 1989 Grand Marquis in 1999 for a couple grand. It was an old lady’s car and had 3500 miles on it.

        I loved that car.

      • DrOtto

        Try an estate sale

    • UnCivilServant

      I didn’t watch season 3 because they dropped the part of the show I liked better.

  7. Fourscore

    University of Mary Hardin-Baylor (my alma mater)continues to be a threat in Div 3 high school level which is pretty good, knowing how seriously Texans take Friday night football.

    • creech

      Latest “joke” around here is that Philadelphia Eagles will play Penn State and the first team to score wins.

  8. DEG

    I’m also looking forward to a Republican senate win in Georgia that bankrupts The Steal monotony.

    #metoo

    same for Hassan in NH (I’m not clear on who actually lives in or votes in NH any more).

    /waves

    I think Hassan is worried about 2022. She’s already running thinly disguised campaign ads. It seems like Sununu will run in 2022 for Senate, but the Republican base is pissed at him due to his Lil Rona lockdowns. It’s one thing to not vote for him, the incumbent Governor, for Governor when you hate his challenger more, it’s another thing to not vote for him when he is challenging an incumbent Democrat who does very little. If you asked me around the 2020 election about Sununu’s chances for Senate in 2022, I’d say he’d wipe the floor with Hassan. Now, I’m not certain, but Hassan is acting like she’s worried.

    Note: Shaheen’s reelection to the Senate in 2020 means nothing for Hassan. Shaheen is widely popular because she does constituent service very well to the point of Republicans campaigned for her in 2020 because of how well she does constituent service. Hassan ignores constituents and is well known for ignoring constituents.

    • Drake

      Luckily for us, Billionaires who think the world is overpopulated have teamed up with pharmas who have dispensed with clinical trials to test products – for your health.

      • rhywun

        I guess sterner measures will be needed.

      • Drake

        You WILL knee before Zod!

    • Sean

      Give them forty more.

  9. mikey

    Football experts?
    My wife (who knows and cares zip about any sport) got kicked off her weekly office college football pool for winning too often. For each pairing she’d pick the school she’d choose to get an education and then pick the other one to win the game.
    I’m guessing her gloating and mocking of the “experts” played a role in her banishment.

    • rhywun

      lol

      Office pariah. I aim for that.

    • db

      My SIL asked me if I wanted to take part in her March Madness pool about 10 years ago. I really don’t care much about sports in general, and basketball less than just about anything, but she needed another person, and I figured it’d be fun to learn some things about the sport.

      I looked at the scores from all past matchups of every team going back to the 1960s and made a spreadsheet model that took all head-to-head matchups into account, as well as second-order matchups (for instance, how does Team A do against Team B and also against Team C, then how does Team C do against Team B). Then I weighted them chronologically, with the oldest matchups having the lowest weightings. Then I took the current published odds for the tournament (pre-start of course) and weighted those in against the other data I had. The model the churned on the data and, given a random seed, would churn out any number of brackets.

      I submitted two brackets–one that came straight out of the model, and one that was adjusted based on my opinions–like, did it make any sense at all that #4 ranked team A could possibly lose against the lowest ranked team in the entire tournament. The straight model bracket won the entire pool, and my adjusted bracket came in like 5th out of 20 or so people.

      I was never asked to submit a bracket to her pool again.

      • Sensei

        You’ve found a home here.

        My issue is that is going to take way too long to find the data and import into Excel as well as a couple hours to code.

        OTH, some people I’ve worked with could probably do it in under an hour…

      • db

        It actually didn’t take that long to find the data. I’m actually searching my NAS for the bracket at the moment, and can’t find it. I think it might be on an old hard drive from the computer I was using at the time. I wonder if I still have that?

      • rhywun

        LOL that sounds like the kind of asshole thing I would do.

  10. The Last American Hero

    2 issues with these articles.

    1- where were Don’s preseason rankings? Did he have MSU at 7 wins all year let alone so far?

    2- how do you solve the B1G conundrum? Yes, msu, um, and osu aren’t all winding up undefeated. But what if msu runs the table? Do you just keep them at number 46 until they win the B1G championship and then bump them up 42 spots in the last week? (Disclaimer: I thought they would be a .500 team). What if a traditional power shits the bed? Keep them at number 9 until they go .500?

  11. Not an Economist

    Does anybody besides me think that if Trump was still President, the vaccines would be considered complete failures and nobody would be recommending people get them?

    • db

      I’m pretty sure that, given their performance, this is a 95% probability.

    • MikeS

      I think the recommendations would be there, but there would be a lot of blame pointed at Trump for them needing boosters. Also, he’d be getting ripped apart for not doing (???) the federal vax mandates that Biden has done.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Yep, along with outrage if he made comments about stopping governors from making statewide vax mandates (which he would quietly back away from doing anything about other than jawboning, like he did with lockdowns).

      • MikeS

        OT: Thanks for the help a few weeks back with getting wi-fi to my shop. I bought a pair of the CPEs you found on Amazon. Well, I tried one first as a repeater, but it kept losing signal from the house. So I broke down and got another -and a wi-fi router- and made a bridge and now have wi-fi in the shop. Well, I did when I hooked it up. I didn’t tonight when I went out there, but I’m sure it’s something to do with the router. Not sure yet, didn’t have time to look into it.

        Anyway…Thanks!

      • Gustave Lytton

        Woohoo! Awesome, glad it works! Satisfying to “see” paper solutions working in the real world.

    • Loveconstitution1789

      Seeing as how their is literally ZERO evidence that the jab prevents SARS-COVID19, I would say they are horrible failures. Vaxxed people still getting kungflu, injuries from jab, and the tyranny was emboldened by so many bending the knee.

      Trump would have recommended the jab and thats the extent of the federal push on that topic. our economy would be even YUGER.

  12. MikeS

    Thank you, count potato for re-linking juris imprudent’s link (and I shall re-re-link it)

    I believe this is the first time I’ve read a revolver article. Can someone give me some background on this publication? Legit news source or tinfoil distributors or somewhere in-between? This particular article is very well cited, so my gut is they are legit, but…

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Maybe they went after him and he rolled over on everyone and protecting the cops isn’t necessarily revealing: plenty of the MAGA types love the fuzz. I’m not saying he isn’t a fed but that stuff isn’t a smoking gun, at least what I read (that shit’s pretty long).

      • MikeS

        I encourage you to read the whole thing. They make an extremely compelling argument.

    • slumbrew

      My impression is they lean tinfoil, but that doesn’t mean they’re necessarily wrong.

      There’s no About, no information who owns them, etc.

      • MikeS

        Yeah. That was off-putting.

      • slumbrew

        No byline on that article either. That doesn’t increase my confidence.

        Can’t find much about them, other than https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/revolver-news/ – regardless of _that_ site’s biases, their analysis seems fair – “right wing, questionable”.

        The article in question _does_ have a lot of external links but that looks like the exception – their other ‘exclusive’ items largely don’t https://www.revolver.news/exclusive/

    • Loveconstitution1789

      Since NbC, FOX, AP, CNN are not legit news sources, not sure what you are looking for.

      As someone who looks for news, even supposedly “tinfoil hat news” might have facts in there. Conspiracy theorists have been awfully on point in the last 6 years or so.

      • slumbrew

        I’d like them to put their name to their articles, at a minimum.

        I’m not saying anything they’ve put forward is wrong – it is a fairly compelling narrative, IMO – but it hurts their credibility.

      • Loveconstitution1789

        I would agree but the war against dissent is strong. People are not all fighters and are scared of retribution since this might be their hobby.

        I learned one thing about news. It either is presented in good faith and truthful manner or its propaganda. Propaganda can have facts in it but is designed to influence people without objectivity.

        Many people trusted Cronkite but the guy was a lying piece of shit. I know it upsets people that govt cant be trusted and most of the big figures of the last 70 years were lying pieces of shit. At least they know now or should know.

  13. trshmnstr the terrible

    My top 5 overrated list:

    Cincy
    Kentucky
    Baylor
    [any and all of the minor conference teams hovering in the 20s]
    Oklahoma

    Im still not sold on aTm being that high. I think they’re an 8-4 team. I still hold to my prediction last week that one of the B1G East logjam teams (Penn State) will end up in the 22-27 ranking range, one will be a 10-15, and one will be a top 5. Outside of last week’s logjam, the other ranked B1G teams are unclear. Much will be known after the UM-MSU game. Iowa will drop 2 more games and will be a 15-20 ranking.

    • Drake

      1. Nirvana
      2. Led Zepplin
      3. Pink Floyd
      4. Prince
      5. Lou Reed

      • db

        If we’re talking most overrated:

        1. The Beatles
        2. Pearl Jam
        3. The Grateful Dead
        4. Dave Matthews Band
        5. Mumford and Sons

      • J. Frank Parnell

        ^ TRUTH

      • J. Frank Parnell

        Actually I’d put the Red Hot Chili Peppers in there somewhere.

        Nobody likes Dave Matthews Band, but even with that they’re still overrated. I have no idea who Mumford and Sons is.

      • slumbrew

        Chili Peppers are a strange band in that I liked them less and less as their actual musicianship improved.

      • pistoffnick

        “Nobody likes Dave Matthews Band…”
        ^
        |
        Old fuddy duddy.

        I like the Dave Mathews Band…and I’m only 50.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        Nah, don’t play it off like the youth like DMB. We made fun of the guy who liked DMB in college.

      • rhywun

        Actually I’d put the Red Hot Chili Peppers in there somewhere.

        As much as I hate “rating” bands, I can’t fault this.

      • pistoffnick

        1. The Beatles
        3. The Grateful Dead
        4. Dave Matthews Band

        I don’t think we can be friends.

      • kinnath

        1. The Beatles

        I still love the Beatles.

        Otherwise, I agree with your list.

      • rhywun

        I actually flipped on the Beatles over the years, basically after listening to their mid-period albums.

        I always liked the hits from that era, and hated everything that came later. Well, I still do, but listening to the complete albums strengthened both opinions.

      • kinnath

        Well, I started with the Beatles as a kid. I still remember watching them live on Ed Sullivan. I grew up with them. 50 years later, I still enjoy all the albums.

        I imagine younger people only experienced the Beatles as just another over-played band on the oldies channel. Taken out of context, their music isn’t going stand up as well as the music that followed them years later.

      • rhywun

        Yeah, I can’t imagine being hit by, say, Revolver in real time. That must have been something.

      • kinnath

        They were all something when they came out.

      • pistoffnick

        +1 “Number 9…Number 9…”

      • db

        I never really cared for them musically, but in 6th grade my music teacher had me do a pet project for her and create a comprehensive discography of all Beatles recordings in every reference our local library had or could order on loan. She played them incessantly in “Music” class, too.

      • MikeS

        That’s a good point about context. Same goes for me and Appetite For Destruction by Guns and Roses. It blew my mind in 1987. Now it’s just classic rock.

      • db

        I’ve softened on the Beatles over time. There are some songs of theirs that I can stand, and even like, but I have been surrounded for decades with people (family, friends, etc) who think they’re absolutely the pinnacle of music, and just never shut up about their Beatles fandom.

        Some of the same people are Star Wars fanatics too.

      • kinnath

        I saw a live event one time (probably an awards show) and Paul McCartney was given a speaking slot. He introduced himself by saying “I used to be part of a beat group you may have heard of”.

        The Beatles were never a “rock” group. And they were never a “pop” group either. They were just the Beatles.

        I never understood the arguments over which band was better or more important. The Stones were the Stones. Zeppelin was Zeppelin. And the Beatles were the Beatles.

        I loved the Beatles as a kid. And I loved them after I grew up. I never “got” the Stones or Zeppelin until I was an adult. The Beatles had a much broader appeal. And for some people, that’s a good reason to hate them.

        And, yeah, asshole fans can fuck up things for lots of other people.

      • db

        Yeah, I try not to get worked up over people’s tastes. I have some weird musical ones too. Everyone’s different. It’s just all the people telling me that I *should* like the Beatles and dissing my tastes leaves a bad…taste. And believe me, I’ve run into a bunch of those types who just won’t leave it alone.

        But I don’t let it bug me anymore. Everyone’s free (to wear sunscreen).

      • rhywun

        #metoo

        I am well aware of loving lots of music that others don’t. The indifference I get to most of my music links tells me that.

      • Sensei

        Paul McCartney is under rated bass player.

        Also, try to sing along with him. His phrasing is amazing. I don’t know how he breathes.

        I view the Beatles like Hitchcock. Others have done it better, but they did it first and they did many things.

      • Loveconstitution1789

        I know music is tied into nostalgia of certain periods. It can be powerful stuff.

        Everytime I hear most music from the 60’s and 70’s you can tell the Vietnam influence and trying to get away from oldies 1950’s music.

        On that note, I can only stand maybe 5-10 Beatles songs.

        If I only liked a few songs from a band, they were a One Hit Wonder or just not a great band to me.

        Also in the context of the time, the Beatles were Socialists from Liverpool and Lennon was a straight up Commie. They werent American yet had all sorts of destructive political influence in America.

        Its like those dipshit Commie Brits that have tv shows in America. Fuck them!

      • EvilSheldon

        Close enough for me.

    • KSuellington

      The Beatles were great and highly influential, but The Beach Boys, or more precisely, Brian Wilson was a better songwriter and composer. If he hadn’t gone off the deep end it would have been no comparison. And actually the rivalry with the Beatles played a part in his losing his marbles with Smile.

  14. MikeS

    My top 5

    1. Weihenstephaner
    2. Revelation Ale
    3. New Glarus Brewing
    4. Ayinger
    5. Paulaner

    • Zwak, sensual panzer

      5. Blood Meridian, or the Redness in the West
      4. Brideshead Revisited
      3. Windup Bird Chronicle
      2. Master & Margarita
      1. Heart of Darkness

      We are talking about our top five, right?

      • MikeS

        yes, sir. Top 5

    • db

      1: Fascists
      2: Fundamentalists
      3: Communists
      4: Fonzie-ists
      5: Beatleists

      • db

        I thought we were doing word association?

      • MikeS

        OK. Now, that was funny!

    • pistoffnick

      pistoffnick’s top 5

      1. Loon Juice Honeycrisp
      2. Duluth Cider Dry
      3. Longbow Cider Tall Cans
      4. Wild State Classic Dry
      5. Gin and Juice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur1N3UyT1lE

      • pistoffnick

        I got a pocket full of rubbers…

      • pistoffnick

        You know me too well.

        */changes to not*a*FED*disguise#5*

      • Fourscore

        Now do rifles for shooting deer size animals

      • pistoffnick

        pistoffnick’s top 5 deer slaying rounds:

        1. .308
        2. .308
        3. .308
        4. 100 grain Rage broad head on a 300 grain Ravin crossbow bolt fired by a Ravin R10 crossbow at 40-60 yards
        5. .30-06

      • db

        I’m partial to .308 Winchester and .300 Win Mag, but there must be something about the 7mm-08: my buddy’s wife uses one and she gets at least two deer a season. She started hunting about 8-10 years ago and hasn’t missed bagging one yet.

      • dbleagle

        .54 blackpowder with a roundball
        .270
        .30-06
        .357 magnum
        .308

      • MikeS

        .243 Win

      • pistoffnick

        My hunting buddy is set on .243. From beavers to deers.

      • MikeS

        Yup. If whitetail is your biggest target, it’s the best bang for your buck…so to speak.

  15. commodious spittoon

    I’m taking my parents to see Dune. They were both Dune fans when they were young. They don’t know they’re seeing it together. They’ve been divorced since 1999. Let’s see how they REACT.

    • pistoffnick

      Live blog it!

    • commodious spittoon

      It turns out they’re both inured to resentment, and any lingering sense of hostility is entirely entirely down to my unresolved feelings.

    • CPRM

      At least they’ll get to sleep together again. (just finished watching it, I was not entertained)

      (I’ve never read the books nor watched the David Lynch version. Is there a story reason they don’t just use their magic voice powers all the time?)

      • commodious spittoon

        Oh fuck you please tell me it’s not all that bad.

      • kinnath

        If you’re a Dune fan, it’s brilliant.

        Two and a half hours of slow exposition, and I imagine it’s still confusing to anyone that doesn’t already know the story.

      • CPRM

        I only knew of Dune through osmosis. I know it’s importance historically and the gist of the story, but not much else.

        This film didn’t give me any reason to care about the characters, and didn’t explain the world very well. As stated, why don’t Paul and his mother use that magic voice thing more often when trying to survive? Don’t know. What use are the force fields? Don’t know. Paul is Space Jesus because he knows how to dress himself? Those guys from the rain planet all sound like demons, except the deaf guy sounds like a deaf guy? Why is the baron the only one who can fly?

        And then there is the look. The color pallet is too similar for everything on Arrakis, and then add on top of that making all the scenes either super bright or dark.

      • Not Adahn

        The rain planet was Salusa Secundus. The captors in the ‘thopter were Harkonens.

      • CPRM

        Then it’s odd that they added the demon voice post processing to them, but they did. Like I said I’m not making any points about the book, just this movie I just watched.

      • Not Adahn

        And they explained the Space Jesus. Twice. In two different scenes.

      • CPRM

        They explained it, yes. They actually over explained it. But, I’m referring to one particular scene, about him knowing how to wear the water suit thing. and she quotes the prophecy or whatever, because he dressed himself correctly. It just seemed absurd in that scene. He’s stated how much he has studied Arrakis, but this is supposed to be one of the signs he’s Space Jesus?

      • Not Adahn

        Well yeah. The Bene Gesserit planted prophecies, and believers see confirmation everywhere they look.

        The Bene Gesserit are really good at what they do.

      • db

        I think the idea is that a stillsuit is a very complicated piece of equipment, and there are ways to wear it and fit it so it will work at its most efficient, that the Fremen know, but don’t share, but Paul instinctively seemed to know those ways.

        It’s a standard Prophecy kind of story element. “He shall know your ways.”

      • db

        NA’s point is correct, too. The BG did indeed plant prophecies for millenia in case they would need to use them.

      • Not Adahn

        Just to be clear, by Space Jesus I mean the savior legends planted into religions by the BG that they can take advantage of.

        Not the KH project

      • CPRM

        I get the idea, I get that the scene (if it’s in the book) could come across well. I’m saying, in the context of this film, it doesn’t work.

      • db

        The Flying Baron is really more of a movie thing. In the book he was so diseased and obese that he had to wear a “suspensor suit” to even be ambulatory.

      • Gustave Lytton

        They were both Dune fans when they were young.

      • Festus

        Dune (the Novel) bored the fuck out me. There. I said it!

      • UnCivilServant

        I hated the designated protagonist so much I was rooting for “literally anyone else”.

      • Not Adahn

        I saw it in IMAX. I liked it, and thought it was interesting in which ideas of the book were presented and was surprisingly impressed with Tambourine Camembert’s performance. And the director’s decisions on changing the angles they shot him at to make him seems vaguely post- pubescent.

        Not as visually beautiful as Blade Runner 2049.

      • kinnath

        I was not entertained

        All the good stuff happens after the intermission.

        Just have to wait two more years.

      • rhywun

        I know lobot was being helpful this morning, but the @#$%! thing won’t play on my computer. After some research it sounds like my lame PC can’t even handle the file-type.

      • CPRM

        what is the file type?

      • Sensei

        What all the cool kids use.

        Back in the fan sub anime days people would use separate files with ordered chapters. To save processing time and bandwidth.

        It was ridiculous, but standard practice for about two years. We are done with that thank goodness.

      • rhywun

        I use VLC.

        One recommendation I read mentioned a minimum processor that is newer than the one I have. I can’t play most new computer games either. Shit, my PC is only 5 or 6 years old but I am in the market for a new one if I don’t lose my job I guess.

      • CPRM

        movies joy dot to .I would advise the usual precautions to guard against potentially malicious sites.

      • slumbrew

        Is there a story reason they don’t just use their magic voice powers all the time?

        ISTR that it only really works one-on-one and the Bene Gesserit figured that they would get slaughtered if people thought the Gesserit were going around constantly forcing people to do things.

        Plus some people had defenses against it anyway (like the Emperor, as I recall).

      • Zwak, sensual panzer

        One of the problems with any Dune movie is going to be the needed level of background knowledge for it to make sense. Herbert used the tidbits from Princess Irulan’s various works, but without doing serious exposition, you have to rely on the viewer’s knowledge from reading the book(s).

        That said, I always thought the first half of the first book was the best part.

      • Not Adahn

        The Voice has to be pitched to the target, so it doesn’t work on groups or someone you haven’t observed.

      • rhywun

        It’s the look and the sound of the voice.

      • CPRM

        Makes sense, not presented anywhere in this film.

  16. grrizzly

    Djokovic and Medvedev prevail over Australia.

    Unvaccinated players can travel for Australian Open, prime minister says — 9:41 p.m.
    Associated Press

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has indicated that unvaccinated tennis players will be allowed to enter the country for the Australian Open provided they undergo two weeks in hotel quarantine.

    Morrison on Wednesday moved to clarify the border situation a week after his immigration minister suggested there’d be a no jab, no visa policy for the tournament next January.

    • rhywun

      I was wondering how that was going to turn out.

      Completely unsurprised that the elites will get a pass that I’m sure the spectators won’t get.

  17. one true athena

    haha UCSD has no football, so I have no dog in this fight and have never cared. Though I am idly keeping an eye on Utah just because I know the kid who’s now their backup QB, and my kiddo is writing applications right now so I might become one of those moms who becomes a born again college fan when her kid’s there.

    • rhywun

      My alma mater (SUNY-Buffalo) always had a severe case of keeping-up-with-the-joneses in both education and football. Their football is frequently on TV now so I check it out once in a while when I can just to root for them against Akron. (It doesn’t seem like they play anyone else.)

  18. Not Adahn

    All of the trailers before Dune were for Sequels or Franchise extensions. Two Marvel, one DC, Ghostbusters (which looked interesting) and the Matrix (trailer looked cool, but once bitten and all that.)

    • db

      I’ll be a debbie downer and say I’m sick of sequels and franchises. To some extent, even Dune. I wish Frank Herbert had lived much longer to write more in the universe.

      I have zero desire to see any Marvel, DC, Star Trek, or Star Wars feature films anymore. I’d make an exception for Star Trek if there were a new in-universe TV series that was actually good, but I’m sick of reboots and rehashes.

      • db

        But I do kind of want to see the new Dune, especially after Kinnath’s praise of it, above.

      • rhywun

        I want to see the new Dune because I want to see Dune done right (if possible).

        I hear ya on the rest. The only Trek I want to ever see going forward is future Trek. I’ve been saying that since Enterprise.

      • db

        I do like the idea of filling in some gaps between Zephram Cochrane and Captain Kirk, but from what I understand, the series that did that wasn’t very good at all.

        I’d like to see the Federation’s socialist utopia collapse under its own weight and have to beg for help from outsiders and finally realize they need to forget that shit, but there’s no way that franchise would head that direction.

      • rhywun

        Well Roddenberry’s long gone, so there’s no reason some enterprising fool can’t make that happen. I would like to see that too.

      • CPRM

        I’d like to see the Federation’s socialist utopia collapse under its own weight and have to beg for help from outsiders

        Wasn’t that Deep Space 9?

        I like Enterprise. I didn’t watch it until after it was canceled because I thought it looked dumb, but when I watched it I liked it.

      • db

        Was Enterprise the Scott Bakula one that covered the early days of Earth going out into the unknown?

      • rhywun

        Yes. It was forgettable. I didn’t watch past season one but supposedly it got better but I always wondered why all this interesting stuff happened before TOS but nobody ever mentioned it.

      • rhywun

        Deep Space 9 was more realistic but still had the stamp of Roddenberry all over it at times.

      • rhywun

        Heh. There was eye-candy for me too. I still couldn’t be bothered.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Following Yelchin’s death, the producers of Star Trek stated that the role of Chekov would not be recast and that the character would be written out of any subsequent Star Trek films.

        ?‍♂️

      • CPRM

        Hell, I have a life size R2-D2, Marvel art around my house, bought the first 22? Marvel, still have my Star Trek figures, have collected every issue of a 2 year Batman story arc, made my own fancut of Batman V Superman and the 3 Star Wars Prequals. Have my proton pack from the 80s… and none of the stuff they are releasing now has me interested.

      • db

        It’s kind of sad that they have wasted goodwill with so many fans. I was so psyched to see the Star Wars prequels and they were sooooo shitty. They blew any credit they had with me right then. I still regret paying to see any of those films after what I learned watching Phantom Menace.

      • CPRM

        It’s the same mentality that lead to McDonald’s putting out the McLean. They confuse people who complain about the product for people that would ever deign purchasing anything from them. (Then their are the George Lucases who just get up their own ass)

    • rhywun

      Saw a Ghostbusters commercial. The blurb did look good.

      Unaware of – ugh – more Matrix. Really?

      • db

        I really really liked The Matrix (the first film). It took a huge leap of suspension of disbelief to try to accept the whole “humans as batteries” thing–it makes absolutely no sense thermodynamically–but other than that one flaw that takes down the whole structure, it’s a compelling tale, well told.

        I never saw the sequels because people warned me away from them. There’s so much that could be done with that universe, and from what I heard, they took it in an entirely stupid direction, well away from what I had hoped. So I’ll watch the original from time to time, but forget the rest.

      • straffinrun

        The Wachowski sisters aren’t as talented as their brothers.

      • Sensei

        That is comedy gold!

      • rhywun

        Same. Other than bits and pieces I’ve never seen the sequels either, but I’ll watch the original when it comes on. I might even purchase it some day.

      • The Last American Hero

        Don’t ever cave on the Matrix sequels. They are a hot mess and undercut a lot important stuff that was set up in the original film. Kind of like what the Star Wars sequels did to the original films.

    • straffinrun

      I’m looking forward to Titanic II: Reloaded.

      • CPRM

        How about Titanic 2000?

    • Loveconstitution1789

      You all know that the actors have to be in so many productions to keep their health insurance or something tied to projects per year?

      I always wondered why studios put out so much garbage that dont make money. Turns out not every connected actor can be in the blockbusters that make so much money they carry the flops.

      Fun tidbit.

  19. Zwak, sensual panzer

    Gunbroker dealers can be the biggest pain in the ass. Only open two days a week, don’t answer a phone or email, it doesn’t need an FFL, so I have some special delivery instructions, now I need to hope he reads the messages.

    I swear, they make the whole thing harder than it needs to be. And GB needs to set up a better payment system and hold people to it.

    • trshmnstr the terrible

      I made one purchase on gunbroker, had it cancelled because the seller was a sxammer, had my account locked because I was scammed, and didn’t return. Count me in the group of “not getting it”. I’m sure there are things available that are hard to get elsewhere, but GB felt like Craigslist, and not in a good way.

      • Zwak, sensual panzer

        If you are looking for specific, older things it is great. But, like Craigslist, you have to know how to deal with… odd people. Mostly older guys who all think the world should act one way when that way has passed, but yeah, scammers. This guy isn’t but is the first group.

        I mean, I am not the most up-to-date kind of guy, but even I can get a CC account for my phone, know how to charge with it, or use Paypal, etc.

      • Sean

        I’ve had excellent luck on GB. Not as much since the scamdemic. ?

        Even my gf had a couple scores there.

  20. hayeksplosives

    The Donks are trying to “reform” social security again.

    Get this:

    Neal urged lawmakers to offset the concentration of wealth, which has become more prevalent in the U.S., by embracing this Social Security proposal and extending the expanded child tax credit.

    “Concentration of wealth has become more prevalent.” As if it’s some passive natural phenomenon like a windswept sand dune that needs to be raked flat for beach recreational activities.

    Couldn’t possibly be that some people offer a product or service that other people value enough to pay for, could it?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/26/social-security-what-a-new-plan-in-congress-would-mean-for-benefits.html

    • rhywun

      The universe was created with a finite number of dollars and the rich are hogging more and more of them.

    • rhywun

      Social Security 2100: A Sacred Trust

      OFFS. I hate sequels.

      • rhywun

        PS. Do they even know what “sacred” means?

      • Sensei

        Sure. It’s what they are going to put on the trillion dollar platinum coin.

      • Trigger Hippie

        Sacred means money taken from you without your permission that will depreciate tens times over from the moment you started paying in till the money you receive that last check right before you die…if you’re lucky.

        *Praise Almighty Government*

      • CPRM

        You know what they say, a new Dollar loses half its value when you drive it off the lot. It’s just #Science.

      • Trigger Hippie

        I thought it’s just #Taxes.

      • Trigger Hippie

        Money, moment… disappointing money moment, death.

      • CPRM

        At least it’s finally 2021.

  21. Trigger Hippie

    ‘Remember that pointyball experts vote to decide each week who should be on top; somehow, after all their experience and calculation, they nonetheless trot out bad idea after bad idea. So why is it so easy to point out when they have over-rated so many teams?’

    Because the Roman Catholic Church has somehow entrapped countless AP voters over the last three decades via blackmail to vote for that ridiculously overrated garbage program called Notre Dame but somehow we’ve all decided to ignore it?

    • Gustave Lytton

      Get back to me when the no travel Incest League gets derated.

  22. Loveconstitution1789

    Did y’all see mcCabe got his pension after being fired hours before his effective date?

    Not surprised just the story got little attention.

  23. Loveconstitution1789

    Did y’all see mcCabe got his pension after being fired hours before his effective date?

    Not surprised just the story got little attention.

    • Festus

      Not once, not twice but thrice!

      • Loveconstitution1789

        Thanks. Making sure.

  24. Tres Cool

    suh’ fam

    yo whats goody ?

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, homey, U, Stinky, and Sean!

      • Tres Cool

        sup’ pimpnotics
        Look for frost. It was only like 34º when I left work.

        Wear your band-aids.

      • Gender Traitor

        I just remembered that the “frost advisory” means I’ll probably have to allow time to scrape my windshield this morning. ?

      • Tres Cool

        I had to scrape mine like I was doing a D & C.

        /too much ?

      • Festus

        Never enough, good friend, never enough.

      • l0b0t

        Good morning all. It’s so rainy and chilly, today is my first day in trousers since last winter.

      • Ghostpatzer

        TMI. NWS has a flood warning here, including this:

        “At 548 AM EDT, The Hackensack River gauge in Rivervale is
        indicating moderate flooding is already occurring in the warned
        area.”

        That is about 1/2 mile from me. I’ve seen cars floating in the streets there in previous years. Not sure why they decided to build houses in a flood plain.

      • Sean

        *waves*

        I’m a cranky mofo this morning.

      • Tres Cool

        Im nearly drunk.

      • Sean

        You’re having a better morning than me.

    • Ghostpatzer

      Good morning, jolly reprobates. Looks like we survived the annual monthly storm of the century. It’s probably safe for the kids to go to school today.

      The Dean of Something or Other will be addressing young patzer’s CS class this morning to address the status of their deplorable Prof. Can’t wait to get the report on that.

    • Festus

      Starting to wonder if my Ex was right all along when she’d give me the side-eye once I got six beers in. Dealing with my “empties problem”. Transferring small bags into the ones that hold 150. There are ten, again. It really hasn’t been that long since we last visited the recycling center. And I Oop…

      • Festus

        I don’t know whether to feel proud of my accomplishment or pathetic. That’s a shit-load of beer.

      • Tres Cool

        My recycle bin is simply embarrassing.
        Only 2/3 full

      • Festus

        I’m doomed, aren’t I?

  25. Tres Cool

    Know why the turkey joined a band ?

    Cause he had drumsticks.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      It’s too early in the day for me to gobble up your fowl humor.

      • Festus

        He’s just trying to stay abreast of the yolks.

  26. l0b0t

    Hey Rhywun, if you were trying the .MKV copy, it is 4K and very hard on both CPU and graphics card. Try the .MP4 it’s in 1080p; I also just added an .MKV in 1080p and one in 720P. One of those has to work for ya.

    • rhywun

      ?

  27. l0b0t

    Thank you all for the Charles Schwab info. I was able to roll over a 401k to an IRA, using the mobile application on my telephone, in under 10 minutes. What a country!

    • Festus

      You have savings? Whatta world!

  28. Festus

    Ha! Got panicked call from supervisor that Corporate needs to ask me these questions three… It’s obviously covid related but nothing has come from it, yet. Bitch, why you calling me at 8 in the morning? That’s “Willy’s Time”!

    • Ghostpatzer

      Nah, they just need you to change a lightbulb.

      • Festus

        That was solved but these always come in threes. Generally every six months or so there is flurry of activity so either I’m fucking up or someone higher on the food chain is feeling the heat. They fear my wrath.

    • Ghostpatzer

      Wow. Read/skimmed (yes, it is long), and it is an incredible story. Qualifies as toxic masculinity, I think.