Glib Car

by | Jun 1, 2022 | Autos, Open Post | 205 comments

Just a few books about cars.

Cannonball! By Brock Yates This is such a celebration of freedom and rebellion. It tells the story of the Cannonball runs from idea, to trial run, to race. And it is told by the participants as much as by Brock. Yates and company risked a lot, as the editors for the magazine Yates worked for wasn’t even a fan of the idea. It discusses the infamous Polish Race Drivers of America, which until this last year, still had a functioning web link. Their Cafe Press shop lives on like a zombie. Yates even mentions Ayn Rand in the book!

Dan Gurney – The Ultimate Racer This discusses the racing career of Dan Gurney, who accompanied Brock Yates in a Ferrari Daytona across country, and engaged in one way or another in every cannonball event. Dan is a legend in more than one racing circle, and this book talks all about him. Hard to get a paper copy, like most good limited print editions.

Hot Rods by Ed “Big Daddy” Roth:   I owned this book for years and loved it.  Big Daddy was an inspiration to some of us. His show cars were incredible displays that inspired people to do better, design better, dream bigger.  That’s a letter from him above, addressed to Darryl Starbird.*

Post Away!

*Yes, sooner or later I will run out of Darryl Starbird Museum photos.  No time soon though.

About The Author

R.J.

R.J.

Hello. My name is R.J. I am a Tulpa with extra cheese and sour cream.

205 Comments

  1. Animal

    No Stroker Ace?

  2. The Late P Brooks

    I saw a really clean ’66 GTO cruising around this afternoon in Pocatello.

  3. The Late P Brooks

    My dad gave me a book about Carroll Shelby when I was a kid. Maybe that’s where it all started.

    • R.J.

      I don’t know where it started for me. Maybe the Rat Fink craze?

  4. Tonio

    A friend just got a Daddy Roth tatt. It’s kinda awesome. And I now see how the Hat’s eyeballs were perhaps influenced by Roth.

  5. Shpip

    The only motorsport “Big Daddy” that I was aware of was Don Garlits, who has a drag racing museum just off I-75 south of Ocala, Florida.

    I’ve driven past the place hundreds of times in the last 40 years, and never found the time to stop in.

    • Spudalicious

      “”Big Daddy” Don Garlits, Don “The Snake” Prudhomme, “Cha Cha” Shirley Muldowney! Live, at the Fremont Raceway! Sunday! Sunday! Sunday!!!”

      • juris imprudent

        Winter-nationals in Pomona, CA.

      • Spudalicious

        I built all three Revell model dragsters.

  6. The Late P Brooks

    I never read the book, but I was there when Penske unleashed the pushrod Mercedes at the Speedway. We were at the north end of the pits, closest to turn four. When they came out and started running, I asked myself, “Why do those cars sound so weird?” It was because they were just coasting around, sandbagging. That went on for a couple of days, and then they just blew everybody out of the water.

    • trshmnstr the terrible

      What did you think of them doing the red flag thing again this year?

      I’ll admit, I’m usually a purist about such things, but it’s kinda growing on me.

  7. DEG

    Car books?

    Hmm…..

    Somewhere in my unread book queue is a copy of this. I bought it as I was saving up for a TR-6. I bought a new Mustang. I put off buying the TR-6.

    I saw one of these for sale at a car show in Florida a few months after I bought the Mustang. It got me thinking that maybe I should get a MG instead of a TR-6 whenever I buy something British and classic.

    • pistoffnick

      …a MG instead of a TR-6…

      Why not both?

      I had an MGA coupe and a Triumph Spitfire convertible at the same time.

      I wish I had never sold either of them.

      Pretty sure your ‘stang can run circles around either. /jealous

      • DEG

        Why not both?

        I like the way you think.

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  8. hayeksplosives

    I lack the Car Gene that many men seem to possess.

    My husband can see any car going down the street and say “Ooh, a 1963 _______!” And then add some fact about it.

    I ask him if boys study this stuff as kids or what, and he looked puzzled and answered, “No, you just sort of pick it up.”

    I’m glad that men exist to push this kind of Toxic Mechanical Design forward.

    • rhywun

      My older brother has that gene, too. I just thought it was his autism. I wonder if that encyclopedic knowledge comes less easily now that all cars look alike.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        Yes. Especially with the euro sports cars. They’ve all converged on a similar design that is hard to differentiate from afar, especially from the front.

      • DrOtto

        Go to a junkyard where the front and rear bumper covers are removed. I really gets hard to tell them apart.

      • DrOtto

        It, not I. Really changes the meaning of that sentence…

      • rhywun

        lol

      • Fourscore

        Growing up in the ’40s-’50s it was mandatory for us guys to know the ’30s-’40s-’50s, After high school I kept up to date but by the ’60s I gave up on it, pretty much.

        Now my son will send me a picture he’s found to identify the cars in the parking lot. He tells me that Iowahawk is the go to guy on old car identification

      • MikeS

        Cars have always looked (somewhat) alike. To add to Forescore’s point, I can easily tell differences between 70’s-90’s, maybe 00’s cars, but after and before…they all look alike. What was on the road when you cared about knowing are “obviously” different, and the others all look the same.

  9. hayeksplosives

    OT: (except it relates to the Author Bio)—yes, Gravatar sucks. That’s why the pic of me at left is very out-of-date.

    Also, when I went to the Glibs main page to see if there was anything new, not only did it not show this Car post, but it had stopped showing me the Evening Links by SF, which I’d already viewed by then!

    The cacheing is definitely weird. But sure enough, after I logged back in, I could see SF links and this post.

    • rhywun

      Ohhhh right, Gravatar. I was wondering where other people’s avatars were coming from. I guess I don’t have one of those.

      • R.J.

        So, I bit the bullet, clocked on the link, created a freaking account tied to my email that goes here. Then I could add my icon. So now my email is in another place I’d rather not have it. It felt super scammy.

      • rhywun

        I suppose I could create a throwaway email for it. Let’s see…

      • rhywun

        …No, I don’t want a WordPress account.

      • Fourscore

        I’ll just wait ’til Web Dom gets all the tech stuff up to date. She’ll tell me what to do and where to go.

      • hayeksplosives

        I did it a few years ago and forgot all about it, but apparently it had that old pic of me in the cowboy hat.

        Now I see we restored to our usual!

        Thanks, WebDom (and her unnamed elves who might be helping).

  10. Zwak, who counted all his blessings, and counted only one.

    While I wouldn’t mind having a classic car to tool around in, my days of wrenching (on cars at least) are over. But, a nice Morris woody, Fox Body Mustang, or an early Suzuki IJ pickup, I could make an exception for.

  11. pistoffnick

    *looks through library*

    “Original MGA: The Restorer’s Guide to all Roadster and Coupe models including Twin Cam”
    “MGA, MGB 1955-68 Autobook”
    “Engineer to Win: The Essential Guide to RACING CAR MATERIALS TECHNOLOGY or how to build winners which don’t break” by Carrol Smith
    “How to Build a Cheap Sports Car” by Keith Tanner
    “Triumph Spitfire” by Haynes Manuals

    Somewhere in my mess of saved hard drives is a full set of CAD drawings for a Lo-Cost (a Lotus Seven copy) frame.

  12. rhywun

    I love when my cable box reboots itself when I’m in the middle of watching something because that only takes like fifteen minutes.

    • Chafed

      Been there. Done that. I feel your pain.

  13. kinnath

    My profile was still showing my photo. All I had to do was save my profile without making any changes.

    • rhywun

      I don’t remember the trick that lets me set an avatar without Gravatar.

    • MikeS

      I didn’t do a damn thing. Went on a part delivery, came back and the site looks like nothing happened. GlibIT for the win!

  14. DrOtto

    I have nearly every Car and Driver since 1989 until October last year when I let my subscription lapse due to their continuing woke spiral. I also have a copy of Cannonball! Additionally, I have several automotive reference books. But my absolute favorites are factory service manuals. I have a whole mess of service manuals. The worst are the Audi stuff on disc. The best are the old GM manuals. I love the tech side of automobiles.

    • Fourscore

      “I love the tech side of automobiles.”

      Me, not so much. I would always seem to screw up and then take the car somewhere to get it fixed.

    • R.J.

      Reminds me, I have an old repair manual on my shelf…
      “Motor Auto Repair Manual 1935-1953 models.” I haven’t seen a similar book.

    • Tundra

      I had a factory manual for my Triumph. It was absolutely wonderful. Lots of hand drawings and ridiculous detail.

      It was fun just to read it.

  15. juris imprudent

    80 goddamn degrees and it is almost 10pm. Thankfully the next 5 days are supposed to top out at 80 (or less).

    • rhywun

      61 here but I’m hoping the thunderstorms stop soon so I can open my windows back up.

      • Fourscore

        At least 10 more days with highs in the 60s. We gotta get on the climate changing stuff now, or else we’ll be eating potatoes and cabbages with our new trading partner, Vlad.

      • rhywun

        It was 97 here yesterday. Never a dull moment weatherwise.

      • MikeS

        I keep reading articles about how this summer is supposed to be above average temps. And then I look at the thermometer and the temp is 15-20 below normal. Careful what you wish for is in full force here, but damn…can we just get up to close to average?

      • Gender Traitor

        Had to bail out of yet another baseball game right before it started to rain again. (The game had been delayed 45 minutes before starting.) Game was suspended shortly after we bugged out…but not before the bad guys scored three runs. ? I think when they pick up where they left off (tomorrow, I believe,) our guys have to score three runs before getting two more outs. ?

      • rhywun

        Tonight’s sportsball is indoors. Rangers acquitting themselves quite nicely against Tampa Bay, to my surprise.

    • Q Continuum

      It snowed here today; woke up to a couple of inches.

      • Chafed

        That’s what she said!

    • kinnath

      Stupid people are more dangerous than villians.

      • Shpip

        If you’d rather read the article instead of listening to the video.

      • kinnath

        Thanks. I will read it.

  16. Ownbestenemy

    Thanks WebDom!

    • rhywun

      Conveniences FTW!

      • MikeS

        Conveniences are back, AND the page reloads way faster. WebDom for President!

      • Sean

        *upvotes*

      • DEG

        YES

  17. Mojeaux

    Only car book I’ve got is Christine. That counts, right? Oh wait. I also have Boxcar Children.

    • Gender Traitor

      Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?

      • Mojeaux

        Nope. Now, if we were to include video, I have all the Cannonball Run and Smokey and the Bandit, also. I might have others; don’t rightly remember.

      • Cannoli

        Never read the book, but I used to watch the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang movie all the time as a kid. When we got our first DVD player, that and Willy Wonka were the only age-appropriate movies we had on DVD for a while. At the time, I saw it from the kids’ perspective, so the Dad could do anything, the car really was magic and the dream sequence was real. I rewatched it for the first time as an adult and it was an entirely different movie. Still fun though.

    • rhywun

      I liked The Railway Children better.

      • Mojeaux

        Never even heard of that. Thanks!

      • rhywun

        I swiped it off a rack in like 7th grade English class.

        It’s very British and there was Jenny Agutter on the cover if you’re into that sort of thing.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Huh, she played one of the kids in the 1970 movie version and the mother in the 2000 version.

  18. Festus

    Ah Hahah hah! I was up on the mezzanine during my last night of work yesterday. I noted a bunch of the staff crowding around the desk and signing what appeared to be a greeting card. I went though the motions and nobody thanked me much. That’s ok, whatever. Curiosity got the best of me after all the staff left. When I was shutting the plant down for the final time I stopped at the desk, opened the drawer and found two envelopes that were addressed to me. One was a cheesy “Happy Retirement” card and the other was a wad of cash. The night Manager forgot to give them to me. I can’t help my snooping instincts, Xmas was so bad that Mom and Dad had to stash our presents elsewhere. Anyways, I put them back. They were meant for me but not given. I’ll never grow up. Hopefully they give the money to someone more deserving.

    • Festus

      I’m sorry. That is the most Festus story that ever Festused a Festus!

    • Gustave Lytton

      Geez, that sucks. Happy retirement, all the same!

      • Festus

        What stopped me? It’s a forced retirement and I’m pretty damn sandy about that. I’m an atheist. The only person that would ever know would be me. Last kick at the can. I suppose pride can be a virtue as well as a sin.

      • Fourscore

        Now that you have the time we will expect you for HH. You’ll get to see what a wonderful group of friends you have that you’ve never seen before.

    • MikeS

      Fuuuuuck.

      Happy retirement, Festus. I’m sure the idiot manager will get them to you, right?

      • Festus

        It has now become a test.

    • DEG

      Wow. Hopefully the manager remembers to give those to you.

  19. Brochettaward

    I find that the painful stupidity of humanity is best on display with the discussion of politics and sports.

    The Steelers had a rather talented DE named Stephon Tuitt who lost his brother in a hit and run last year. The guy used that as an excuse not to play. He either faked an injury in camp or had a minor one he milked all season. Rumors are he was out of shape. Now people mourn differently. He’s under no obligation to play. But this guy sold his house in Pittsburgh mid-season and was eligible and healthy enough to come off IR, but didn’t. So, it really looks like to me and anyone else with a brain that he never intended to come back. He bilked the team out of $14 million (they, somewhat in his defense, allowed it). It is blatantly unethical behavior no matter how you slice it. He could have played, and didn’t. But got paid. He was free to retire at any time, you can unretire at anytime. He made his choice to keep cashing those checks.

    The number of people who refuse to call a spade a spade, or who make excuses because he went through a tragedy is the perfect encapsulation of the weak minded culture we currently have. It’s not only acceptable that someone making $14 mil a year engaged in a year long pity party for themselves, it’s almost admirable to these people. This is, to them, the way a man should apparently approach a tragedy and loss. And then if you question it, you are a monster…a brute…why, it’s just football, they cry! As if getting paid that kind of money isn’t enough rationale to ask someone to man the fuck up when we ask people in other lines of work to do it for peanuts. Do I even have to mention the fucking military? Tragedy is a part of the job, especially over the last twenty years, and they get no free fucking lunches.

    • rhywun

      I’m always amazed when some sportsperson is out injured for a year or whatnot and still collects a paycheck that I couldn’t dream of.

      • Brochettaward

        Injured, I can understand. You are looking to protect a future asset and it’s one of the benefits of being a top athlete who takes on the injury risk.

        In my view, the Steelers allowed this bullshit all year for one or both of these reasons:
        1. Slim hope of regaining a future football asset
        And/or
        2. Didn’t want to take the PR hit if they played hardball with someone who was clearly dicking them around.

        What really bothers me, though, are the fans who defend the guy. Like, why the fuck should I give more sympathy to a star athlete going through a tragedy or expect less responsibility from him than an employee in retail? Or a soldier? Or people in every other walk of life?

        And what sort of mindset does it take for it to be almost ADMIRABLE to you that the guy wallowed in self-pity for a year or used that as an excuse not to play? It was like 20 years ago Brett Favre was hailed as a hero and legend for playing the day after his father died. We used to extol the virtues of people who handled loss with dignity and used it as fuel to excel. Now…

      • Gustave Lytton

        Why I still think Eli Manning is a spoiled entitled child.

      • hayeksplosives

        What’s sad is that the few dozen dudes who strike it really rich in the big leagues represent thousands (tens of thousands) who dream of it all through middle school and high school but will never make the cut. Or they get drafted and sign for $250k, then blow out a knee and are done.

        Or get drafted but not signed. I know many of them don’t have a backup plan.

        That’s why i think the NCAA should allow “student athletes” to return to school after their pro career to finish a degree, maybe at pro league expense. Or trade school .

        Baseball and hockey do it better with the minor league model.

        Still, with all the money in athletics, paying for some financial counselors to help these guys sock away an IRA with their paycheck would be helpful.

      • Gustave Lytton

        They’d raid the IRA. Pretty sure they already do financial counseling.

    • one true athena

      While I don’t disagree with that sports and politics are good places to see the stupidity of humanity — having just spent an ungodly amount of time this evening getting gas, I have to say the best place is Costco gas stations. A more wretched hive of moronic humanity you will not find. It’s not that hard, people.

      • Mojeaux

        That made me chuckle.

  20. Mustang

    Highly recommend The Art of Racing in the Rain. Fictional heartfelt story of a mechanic who becomes a legendary racer. Just a great all around read.

    • rhywun

      I’m reminded of On the Beach for some reason. I’m not a car person and that’s not a car book but the subplot therein of a guy who spends his last days doing what he loves – racing – was affecting.

    • Shpip

      Made into a film a few years back. $3.99 to stream on Amazon, or your local lending library probably has the DVD.

    • Tundra

      Excellent read. Thanks for the reminder – gonna have to dig that one out again.

      I do love books that transcend the subject matter. You need not be a racing fan (or even know anything about it) to enjoy the story.

    • MikeS

      Best lead singing bass player. EVER.

      • Chafed

        Geddy Lee would like to a word. *ducks*

      • MikeS

        He’d like to, but he knows what I said is true.

      • Mojeaux

        ?

      • db

        Interestingly, Primus got a big boost in their career because of Rush. They opened for Rush during the Roll the Bones tour and by many accounts, were well liked by the Rush members.

        Claypool and Geddy appear to have a rapport that continues.

      • Chafed

        She is great. You introduced me to her solo work.

      • MikeS

        Yeah, Les’s voice works for Primus, but probably not for much else. But his bass skills…wow.

      • Chafed

        Tom Araya’s voice probably only works for Slayer. But that’s good enough for me. If the only lyric he ever wrote was “before you see the light, you must die” it would have been enough.

        https://youtu.be/Qos9NgJPJ58

      • PudPaisley

        One of the coolest things I ever seen at a concert happened at a Primus show a few years back.

        During the first song, there was a bunch of commotion up by the stage and the band stopped in the middle of the first song. It was standing room only, and a skinny young kid was tussling with bouncers up by the stage. Les intervened, and directed the bouncers to let the kid up on stage. He then got a chair brought out onto stage, and had the kid sit in it about 5 feet from Les’s’ mike. Then the band jumped right back into the song where they left off. The kid had the best seat in the house for the rest of the show.

        I’m a big Les fan, but another great bassist singer (besides Geddy) is this guy, RIP.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57F7DvHtKFI

      • MikeS

        Jeepers, yeah. Forgot about Dusty.

      • Chafed

        Kudos to Les for knowing how to deal with the situation.

    • MikeS
      • Mojeaux

        Meanwhile, on Mojeaux’s playlist…

    • Mojeaux

      What did I just watch.

    • Grumbletarian
  21. Tundra

    OK, the site is kicking ass, but lynx don’t open in a new tab.

    Right click, bitches!

    • MikeS

      Also; scroll wheel click

    • rhywun

      lynx don’t open in a new tab

      Mine do.

  22. Shpip

    There are fast cars, then there are the really hot ones.

    • Plinker762

      I envision you listening to something more like this: Old Maui

      • dbleagle

        Good song. I’ll have to learn it for later this summer. In a few weeks we race to from Oahu to Nawilliwilli on Kauai. Labor Day weekend will be Molokai and Lanai on our way to Maui. Then we race back to Oahu. I’ll have to try this song at a party before the race.

    • Sean

      *longs for a v8*

    • MikeS

      I’d like to do that one day. I am convinced I could do better than those two clowns, but not as good as WC.

      • R.J.

        It the cigar intake. That’s an insane amount of big cigars. The drinking is heavy but doable. As mentioned at the end of the video, nobody slept that night.

  23. Mojeaux

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    • Brochettaward

      Biden isn’t in charge. His underlings, for better or worse, can focus on what they see as really important. The long game. They know he’s toast in two years, anyway. So, the important thing here is to get a court to sign off on the massive expansion of state power we saw with covid as the pretext.

      • Chafed

        I agree with you but the underlings are choosing a dumb strategy. This is the type of case that could get Supreme Court review. The current court has shown a desire to cut back the administrative state. They have already knocked down a number of Biden administration covid measures (e.g. eviction moratorium).

        Even worse, most of America has gotten back to more or less normal. They no longer have fear working for them. They stand a good chance of getting a very unfavorable ruling.

      • Gustave Lytton

        There’s nothing* to prevent the administration from turning around once they get a favorable ruling and drop the mandate after.

        *except for those in fed gov and elsewhere pushing for masks forever

    • Ownbestenemy

      It’s a matter of bureaucratic power and nothing less. They painted themselves into a corner with statements that a court shouldn’t have the ability to weigh in on matters of ‘public health’. Because of that, they have to appeal.

      • Chafed

        The surest way to get a court to rule against you is to make a meritless argument they have no authority.

  24. Annoyed Nomad

    Re: car books, I remember reading the original edition of “The Machine That Changed The World”, which was the result of a MIT multi-year study of the auto industry. It was published in 1990 and I read it in the early 90’s. I found it fascinating.

  25. Tres Cool

    suh’ fam
    whats goody

    • Sean

      Mornin’

    • rhywun

      ?

    • Tres Cool

      “curious cougar” HAS to be on pr0nhub

      • Sean

        The security guard was identified as 78-year-old Darrell Holderman.

        Oh, come on…a 78 shouldn’t be guarding anything.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      We live in a nation of 350 million people…things are gonna happen, no orchestration needed.

      • Sean

        I’ve watched the X-files. I know what’s up.

  26. Sean

    Oh…and…

    *Points to avatar*

    Yay!!!!

    • Fourscore

      Yeah, good to see things are now under control. For a bunch of loners we need structure in our lives.

  27. Fourscore

    Morning Sean and Tres and anyone else that happens to be out and about.

    Early for me but not by choice. My first nap will come earlier than usual.

    • Tres Cool

      Since I work nights and was off yesterday Ive been up since around 2.
      May sneak in a nap soon.

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, 4(20), Tulip, DEG, homey, Sean, & Stinky!

      Hoping to be able to take this afternoon off – community garage sale starts today, and we didn’t get as prepared as we’d like over the weekend. A few lingering showers in the area, so there may not be much business before noon anyway.

      Sooooo much junk to get rid of! Certainly stuff we haven’t touched since we moved in almost 17 years ago.

      • UnCivilServant

        Morning.

        Hopefully all the construction noise outside is them actually repaving the street they tore up. I want to take a day off but I’ve got to train my people on some of the stuff that only shows up every few years.

      • Gender Traitor

        Good morning, U!

        Our street desperately needs repaving, especially further down from the main drag (beyond our place.) There’s a crack all the way across the pavement near the “downhill” edge of our lot that I fear may one day become the site of an outright collapse. (Aging infrastructure and all that.) But I also dread the hassle of even the currently-called-for repave. Hope the work by your place is done expeditiously.

      • UnCivilServant

        Well, they tore it up yesterday and I hear a lot of big machinery making noises today.

        It’s WFH day, so I get to listen to is, but get spared the hassles of trying to find a new parking space later.

      • Gender Traitor

        Did you have to move your car to make way for the road crew?

      • UnCivilServant

        No, they tore up the road while I was at work and posted no parking signs. While some of my neighbors ignored them, I found a legal parking spot.

      • Grosspatzer

        Good luck with the garage sale!

        We tried that, once. Turned out the rest of the world valued our junk about as much as we did and we wound up disposing of it in the usual manner.

      • Gender Traitor

        Thanks! Luckily, we also have an extra VERY large trash bin. I think a pair of speakers whose cones disintegrated at a touch are already in there.

  28. DEG

    Mornin’ all!

    Thanks WebDom for fixing the site!

  29. DEG

    Off to the gym

  30. Tulip

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      Yuck.

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      3️⃣6️⃣
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      quordle.com

    • db

      2 7
      4 5

      My best day yet

  31. Grosspatzer

    Mornin’, reprobates!

    Rare good times for this NY sportsball fan. Rangers crushed the Lightning, and Mets continue to roll. Unfortunately, the hated Yankees are also good.

    As for the rest of the world…

    In capitols state and national
    Our leaders are quite irrational
    They’re spending like sailors
    We need a few jailers
    To put a stop to this bacchanal

    • R.J.

      Morning!

      • Grosspatzer

        Hey!

        Nice write-up. I’m not much of a car dude; having skipped a grade in grammar school, I missed out on driver’s Ed in HS while my peers were doing the teenage car thing because I was too young. Still had to take the course, which I deliberately failed on principle. Wound up getting my license at age 38.

        I do, however, love the freedom of (what’s left of) the open road and the giant middle finger of things like Cannonball.

      • Sean

        Wound up getting my license at age 38.

        o.O

      • UnCivilServant

        I do have one question – What changed? Why start driving then of all times?

      • Grosspatzer

        3 years sober, figured it was safe to start driving.

      • Grosspatzer

        I was a responsible drunk. Driving would have interfered with my ability to drink heavily whenever and wherever I pleased.

      • R.J.

        I took the Sears Driving School so I could get a hardship license (age 15) and start driving to work. Texas was so big and spread out that you either had a car or you had no job.

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, ‘patzie! ::checks MLB standings:: My goodness, the Mets ARE rolling, aren’t they? Don’t know whether or not to hope the Cardinals meet up with them in the pennant race. ? We’re sneaking up on the reviled Brew Crew in the NL Central – THE ONLY DIVISION THAT MATTERS! ::takes deep breath:: Sorry – lost my head there for a second.

      Also – those DAMN Yankees!

      • Gender Traitor

        Also, I swear – every time I first go to the MLB standings page, it shows every team’s next game as “Oct 5” until I refresh the page. THEN it shows the correct dates!

        Weird.

      • Grosspatzer

        “those DAMN Yankees”

        Heh. My first MLB game was Yankees-Tigers at the old Yankee Stadium courtesy of some Greek dude who was courting Mom at the time. He hated the Yankees and made sure we sat through the seventh inning stretch. God bless Frank Lary, one of the great Yankee killers.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      That’s not a bad usage case, that stuff’s definitely not fit for drinking.

  32. UnCivilServant

    JUST RETIRE ALREADY!

    *BLEEP*ING *BLEEP* Coworker who’s so stuck in his ways that he builds all databases using an old one-byte character set that is only even there for legacy support and which the vendors have big red flags saying “NEVER USE THIS FOR NEW DATABASES!” Now he’s bitching because we need more than eight bits per character.