St. Ambrose Meadery

by | Jun 20, 2022 | Brewing, Open Post, Sports | 187 comments

 Another Sunday, another day trip to a new course. Today we had NickO, Shawn and his son Brodie and the Old Guy (me), and so we headed north to beat the rain and ended up in Beulah, just east of the Nugent compound at a fine meadery and Disc golf course, St. Ambrose

Bubbly mead

  Again Michigan hits it out of the park, this course is very tight and technical so any misthrows will be severely punished. It was pretty foggy at first so much so we couldn’t see the baskets 300 feet away and had to throw and pray.

think this is easy?

I use a cart for my bag, in which case I sometimes become a pack mule for various ice chests, jackets and water. This day was nice because the entire course is flat, so dragging OPS wasn’t so bad.

Chilling at the teebox

Once we figured out the map was way out of scale we just threw what is called a Hyzer bomb up and over the bad stuff and parked our shots inside of 30 feet for a nice par/birdie, then the course became playable. You see, just because they mow a recommended path doesn’t mean you must follow it, so we avoid hitting trees and scrub by throwing up 100 feet over the trees and hopefully land close enough for a birdie try. This can produce some wild results, like this.

Oops!

 

Infernal Tree!

A beautiful but tough course, it made me want to get to the meadery asap, any shot that wasn’t perfect was punished, costing from 1 to 4 strokes and no one was immune, so we laughed a lot and searched for our discs. We don’t lose discs usually and this day was no exception.

EVIL!

Long tunnel

Hillside shot

After a 4 hour round it was time for a nap, dry Vans and some night Golf. Josiah was the only one to show that night but we had a blast. Throwing into pitch black is pretty cool when your discs are lit.

Lit Discs! like me!

Crazy Disc golfers

I’m not sure how much time I have left, but I’m playing as many courses as I can until it’s time to go and have a hella good time doing it.

Until the next course,

DGED

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Yusef drives a Kia

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187 Comments

  1. DEG

    at a fine meadery and Disc golf course, St. Ambrose.

    I looked over the meadery’s website. That looks like a good place.

    A brewery in PA I like put in some disc golf baskets on their property.

    • Drive all day and go nowhere

      They will attract a lot of bidness, we drink!

    • Drive all day and go nowhere

      I’m doing a night Tournament this Saturday night, we are lighting up the trees! I’m using stage lights for the big main hole that you see from the street, all our baskets are lit, it should be epic.

      • MikeS

        Are you going to do a write-up on it, Bob? I’m sure pics are tough being it’s dark and all, but I’d be interested to see more how it all turns out.

        I’m not sure how much time I have left

        I must have missed something…what’s up?

      • Drive all day and go nowhere

        I am, I’ll use my Kodak 4k dslr and tripod for some good views and take many early views.
        I’ll get back to you on the other question,

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        From that address, not From Life, one hopes.

      • MikeS

        Indeed.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        Night disc is awesome! It’s about all we can play this time of year in this area, and aside from a single lit disc, I’m not equipped.

        This has been two springs in a row where a medical issue got in between me and playing disc golf. Last year was massive head to toe poison ivy. This year was the broken toe. By the time I was good to go, it was too hot to have fun playing. I may try out one course that’s more shaded than not, but I have no desire to go to the closest course.

        I did a summer league last year and it was unpleasant. I didn’t really have fun. The guys were fun to play with, the course was challenging, but I wasn’t motivated to drive over there and sweat my ass off all evening just to get my ass kicked by superior players and pay $15 for the privilege.

        Still, I need to get out there and play. It has been a while, which is a shame.

      • Drive all day and go nowhere

        Our club plays Tuesdays as a group, but other than CTP, it’s very casual.
        Our CTP is a buck, winner take all, tourneys are different

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        I need to check for a more casual league. The one I played with had a guy rising through the ranks of the pro tour, and a bunch of guys who were competitive with him. Meanwhile, I’m putzing along playing bogey golf and holding up the next group while I dig my disc out of the creek.

  2. Don escaped Texas

    Michigan: premier beer state

    • Drive all day and go nowhere

      You have no idea how good it is, the small shops kill it

    • MikeS

      For sure. A ton of good beer comes out of Michigan.

    • Tres Cool

      And pickled eggs state. When I was much younger, I toured a lot of bars in the UP. Every one had some dusty, 5-gallon glass jug of room-temperature AIGS swimming in some brine they claimed were the “best”.

      • Drive all day and go nowhere

        the UP ain’t Michigan, we get Fudgies, they don’t
        /just say’n

      • pistoffnick

        Mmmm, pasties.

        /in both senses of the word!

      • MikeS

        🧐

      • pistoffnick

        Nice!

      • Tres Cool

        I spent summers of the first 18 years of my life just south of Alpena (on the good side).

        #AintNoFudgie

  3. Not an Economist

    Off topic: Glibertarians, I am coming to you for advice. My garage door opener is acting up. It will only open when I use the pad that is connected to the opener with a wire. Nothing else works (home link in car or outside wireless pad). I think the receiver board is dead but I’m not sure. A replacement costs $76 plus shipping. And I might be able to replace it. If I call someone to diagnose and replace it I’m assuming it would add another $150 to the costs. Replacing the garage door opener with a new one would be about $300-$325. So, if I don’t gamble on my diagnosing and replacement skills, I can get a new garage door opener for about $100 bucks more than fixing it.

    What would you do?

    • Drive all day and go nowhere

      Replace the receiver, you made a good call,

    • Ted S.

      Is there a way to test the receiver board?

      Would the replacement door opener be superior to the current one? (Not that I can think of, but it’s a question to ask.

    • Ted S.

      Did you check the thermostat?

    • MikeS

      I’d buy a $150-$200 opener. But, that, that wasn’t a given option, so:

      I guess it depends on your confidence in replacing the board. Does it look relatively plug-and-play?

      • Not an Economist

        My costs for a new garage door opener included installation. I don’t want to spend 2 days replacing the opener.

      • Lackadaisical

        Git good.

    • Sensei

      On topic, thanks Yusef.

      On this topic, if you replace the board you will need to re-pair all the remotes and homelink devices to the new board.

      No big deal, but keep that in mind.

    • LCDR_Fish

      Change the battery in the remote? Had to do that on mine.

      • Drive all day and go nowhere

        Hilarious but true!

      • Lackadaisical

        The other thing that can happen is that LED lights can mess with the frequency, so if you recently added anything like that it may be interfering.

    • Mojeaux

      1. How old is the current one? If the current one is over 10 years old, replace it.

      2. What’s your budget? If you don’t have the money, fix it.

      3. What’s your time budget? If you don’t have the time to fix it, replace it.

    • creech

      Call my congressman and demand the government provide me with a new opener.

  4. The Bearded Hobbit

    Surprise! Activist teacher spreads propaganda to 1st Graders.

    https://notthebee.com/article/heres-a-first-grade-teacher-in-wisconsin-leading-children-in-a-pledge-to-the-pan-african-flag-black-power-salute-and-all

    My version of the pledge is based upon my oath when joining the Air Force:

    “I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and to the Republic which it creates. One nation, fifty states, with liberty and justice for all.”

    • Gustave Lytton

      I assume you go old school with the Bellamy salute while reciting it.

  5. Grumbletarian

    Nice pics, Yusef. I modified a baby stroller to use as my golf cart. Got the idea from this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOry1vWf2jk

    Came out pretty good. Also can hold a small cooler for drinks, and I have magnetic speakers that connect to my phone for music.

    • Drive all day and go nowhere

      My rig was designed for the desert, full ice chest underneath, and less bending over to lift a bag with 22 discs in it.

    • Drive all day and go nowhere

      And yea, good on you and your bros, Zuca for 200$?
      No….

  6. MikeS

    I am pretty sure I asked you some time back, but could you recommend a cheap-ish starter set?

    • rhywun

      Are you “Bobbo”?

      • Ownbestenemy

        Given the SoCal phone# (Yusef…might wanna black that out) I would say yes

      • Drive all day and go nowhere

        The world knows me, and I have nothing to take,
        S’all Goodman.

      • Ownbestenemy

        ::Thumbs Up::

        And great write up!

      • rhywun

        I don’t even recognize that area code. I guessed it was Michigan.

      • Drive all day and go nowhere

        909 is the IE in SoCal,
        Michigan is 231 or 616

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        D2 in Michigan acquired her phone in New Mexico so she calls from Greenville with a 505 area code. In Ye Olden Tymes telephone prefixes would identify the location of the phone number. Our neighborhood in the NE Heights was 299 (or AXtel 9 for those who remember that sort of thing). When we moved to the mountains it was a 282 number.

        All of that changed 30-40 years ago. Now it is just a number, generally without any location ID. My home phone remains in the 575 area code and my cell is a 505.

      • rhywun

        In Buffalo, all phone numbers begin with 8. And the second digit tells you which neighborhood. I’ve never seen that anywhere else.

        I guess that came about after the olde exchange SYstem.

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        @rhywun

        Our local exchange is 829 and the following number is always 3, or lately, 4. I often get spam calls with my local town as caller ID but the number is something else than 829-3or4 so I ignore it.

      • rhywun

        I get a ton of spam calls to my current area code, which does not match where I live and where there are only a couple old friends I know but who are extremely unlikely to be calling.

        Yeah, I ignore them but really I ignore anything that isn’t in my contact list.

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        Ditto. Anything from my phone’s area code (or other area codes in Indiana) gets ignored. Everybody from Indiana who could possibly be calling me for anything besides asking for or scamming money from me is in my contact list.

        I did have trouble with a job interview one time because they were calling from a number that tripped Samsung’s spam filter. It didn’t even notify me that I had missed a call, which was not ideal.

      • creech

        I’ve answered some spam calls lately just to play with the caller. If they ask for a person by name, I tell them “He (or she) died three weeks ago. Every time you folks call, his (her) spouse gets hysterical. Please stop.” Or, if they merely say “Hi, how are you today” I’ve been saying “I’m having a heart attack. I thought you were the doctor. I gotta go, the ambulance is coming up the driveway.” I wonder what the callers think after hearing this shit?

      • DEG

        In Buffalo, all phone numbers begin with 8. And the second digit tells you which neighborhood. I’ve never seen that anywhere else.

        Nashua, NH was like that.

      • Drive all day and go nowhere

        Yes I am,
        thanks for checking

      • Drive all day and go nowhere

        Yes I am

    • Lackadaisical

      Is disc golf code for something?

      $5 is cheaper than downtown.

  7. Grummun

    MikeS / Hyp, another late entry, sorry.

    3 5
    8 7

    • MikeS

      👍🏻

    • whiz

      Today was just a playoff between Tundra and MikeS, a day off (or for practice) for everyone else.

  8. Sensei

    Since I’m in a maudlin mood tonight.

    https://youtu.be/GG-1EhRTaVc

    Surprised the hell out of me the first time I heard her sing. She is best known as the voice actress for Violet Evergarden. Here she is covering “Spirited Away”.

    A capella verse here. Minimal processing. Another pleasant surprise.

    https://youtu.be/GG-1EhRTaVc

    • Drive all day and go nowhere

      Very pretty, thanks!
      /The vocals you pervs!

      • Sensei

        I heard her sing on a different track once about six months ago and was properly surprised. This one has her in a proper studio.

        Meanwhile the Japanese “idol” industry has far worse singing voice actresses putting out full albums.

        Good for her, but bad for her career she got married about a year ago so a meaningful singing career is very unlikely. It will also decrease some voice acting roles for her too. I’m hoping she keeps getting work as it’s a cut throat industry.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Yes, one of my favorites got married and I expect that’s the end. Her career was already struggling, imo, before that.

  9. rhywun

    Have a depressing kick in the nuts.

    When I spoke to her recently, she recounted how her daughter’s at-first-lesbian and then trans identity emerged in response to feelings of shame about being white.

    If even half of this is accurate, we are seriously fucking up a generation of children.

    • Sensei

      Did you read what I wrote about my maudlin mood?

      Ow, my balls…

    • straffinrun

      Gender identity, experts have argued in Title IX lawsuits, is innate, immutable, and “primarily dictated by messages from the brain.”

      Guess that means I have to do what those voices in my head are telling me to do.

    • Chafed

      We are definitely fucking up a generation of children.

    • Lackadaisical

      *looks at nieces*

      Yup. Staying in a blue state is child abuse.

  10. rhywun

    For no particular reason… I adore this band, and I love this gal’s voice.

    There’s nothin’ on TV so I’m bouncing around my iTunes.

    • The Bearded Hobbit

      Try her..

      I never get tired of Annie’s voice.

      • rhywun

        Where’s the voice?!

        Oh, there it is 🙂

        Nice, it is.

      • rhywun

        This is so seventies. I love it.

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        She is on constant rotation in my tunes.

        Try this if you’ve got the time. It’s one of my road trip songs.

      • rhywun

        On it.

      • rhywun

        Love it. Never heard of them before.

      • rhywun

        I’m reminded of this.

        Bit later vintage but I’ve loved this song forever.

      • The Bearded Hobbit

        Ooo, love it, thanks!

  11. rhywun

    Holy fuck, I’m setting up a Windows virtual machine on my Mac for the first time in years and ugh so painful.

    What I’m learning is that recent versions of Windows really, really want to send me advertising. Yay.

    • Sensei

      Don’t forget the updates to the update’s updated update.

      • rhywun

        It looked like the latest .iso that I downloaded. I only want it for one or two apps so I don’t give a fuck about updates.

    • Mojeaux

      My husband built me a Hackintosh (that I don’t use), but he enjoyed the process of doing it.

      • rhywun

        Ha. I’ve never tried going in that direction.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Can’t wait for it to make to my work pc. What’s more fun that shitty options being turned on by defaults? Not being able to turn them off due to corporate imposed settings and rights limitations! Like the stupid windows scanning that tells me I can turn off the notifications if I don’t want to see them in the future. Oh no, you need admin rights to make that change after all.

      • rhywun

        This is so painful I’m deleting it straight away. Now I remember why I did that last time.

        I don’t need that one app THAT bad. I can play with it at work (i.e. in my bedroom).

      • MikeS

        I can play with it at work (i.e. in my bedroom)

        😐

      • rhywun

        There it is.

  12. straffinrun

    Wait, if you didn’t lose any discs, how the hell did you get that one out of the tree?

    • The Hyperbole

      It’s not lost if he knows where it is.

    • MikeS

      Embrace the alt-text.

      • straffinrun

        Not kidding one bit, but I never bothered to find out what alt text is.

      • MikeS

        It’s actually called something else, but whatever…hover your mouse over the pictures and all your questions will be answered.

      • straffinrun

        You misunderstand my not bothering with wanting to know.

      • MikeS

        Well then don’t ask questions that have answers available to you.

      • straffinrun

        😉 I see no question marks.

      • straffinrun

        My ignorance is my treasure.

      • MikeS

        My ignorance is my treasure.

        Profound. You are wise, straffinrunsan. 🙇🏻‍♂️

      • Gender Traitor

        I guess this means folks who post articles can say whatever they want about straff in the alt text! Field day! 😃

      • Gender Traitor

        ::slaps straff::

      • straffinrun

        Always deserved.

      • The Hyperbole

        On a PC if you pause/hover your cursor over a picture it will pop-up an “alt-text” (although Neph or some other nerd explained once that it’s technically some other thing, ‘image tag’ or sommat ) a little text block with text in it. I don’t known if it works on Macs or on phones.

      • MikeS

        Try and keep up.

      • The Hyperbole

        Shouldn’t you be checking for late Quordle scores?

      • MikeS

        I’m trying, but your unnecessary and ignorant comments are making it difficult.

      • The Hyperbole

        Also, if you hover over links, the really cool people put a ‘hover text’ on them as well.

      • straffinrun

        Of course I’ve seen that. Always annoyed me. I’m in a mood today. Sorry.

      • whiz

        Yes, other disks can dislodge a treed disk. If those get caught also, water bottles are next (or first, after you’ve learned the pitfalls of using another disk). I’ve only had a water bottle also get stuck in a tree once 🙂

  13. Gustave Lytton

    I hate driving in the summer time.

      • Gustave Lytton

        I fear that may be over. One of the wettest and coldest springs (but closer to the norm in my memory) and temps ramp up to 90 this weekend.

  14. straffinrun

    Being a lefty means my Shodo sucks, but here’s “glibertarian” in kanji.

    https://ibb.co/FbzdRnV

      • straffinrun

        Heh. 愚 is also necessary.

      • rhywun

        LOL

        I… never looked at that way

      • straffinrun

        Oooh. Shit. I thought he knew what it meant. “Fat”.

      • The Hyperbole

        Ah, so that’s the Dean Wormer quote but in Japan font. I never wanted one before but I may have to get that tattooed on my neck.

      • straffinrun

        Get it on your cock ironically.

    • MikeS

      That’s really cool. Thanks, Straff.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Humble brag. That is excellent.

  15. pistoffnick

    Current titty status: lobster colored, tender, and schweatty. I am shirtless because the fabric irritates my sunburn. The fan is directly on me.

    You’d think after more than 50 years, I’d have learnt to use sunscreen.

    Structural test lab conditions today: 84 deg F and 65% humidity. I had 2 of 4 computers shut down due to over-heating.

  16. whiz

    I’ve found several interesting ways to lose disks — I suppose most players have such stories.

    • whiz

      Dammit, didn’t mean to end the comment yet. Continuing on… one time there was a parked train on a track along the border of a course. The wind caught my drive and took it out of bounds over the train. I had to wait a while for the train to move to go recover my disk, only to find … no disk. It apparently had landed on the train, and was heading off towards Nebraska and Colorado (I live in Iowa).

  17. CatchTheCarp

    I used to play a lot of disc golf. My home town installed Missouri’s first disc golf in 1979 which is when I was introduced to the sport. I’ve been playing ever since. We used to play with Wham-O 140 and 165 molds (dog discs) as real golf discs had not been invented yet – or if they had none had made it to Missouri. I still have my first “real” golf disc, a blue Discraft Phantom+ bought in 1986. I have several boxes of vintage plastic – most of it from the 90’s when I was in my disc golf prime. I sold most of the valuable stock on E-Bay a couple of years ago – I was pleasantly surprised how much vintage San Marino Roc’s would fetch. Another shocker was that all the LIghtning discs I put up for auction actually sold as these pretty much sucked as throwing stock. They did have cool hot stamps – most models featured WWII era planes. I joined the PDGA in 1988 and I used to travel and play in out of town PDGA tournaments until the mid 90’s. I played in weekly leagues from 1988 – 2016 and “retired” from league play in 2017. Old age caught up with me and once I could no longer hang with the young guns anymore and I sort of lost interest. I still play occasionally and once I retire from working (hopefully next year) I plan on playing on a regular basis again. Been trying to teach myself to throw forehands which is foreign to me – in my playing days everyone threw back hand and forehands were only used to get out of trouble. I have to say it’s been amazing to watch how the sport has grown over the years. Anyway I have to say I enjoy reading your disc golf posts – you speak my language.

    • whiz

      Many states have their own “Olympics” and these usually have age brackets for many of the events. Iowa does, I’m not sure about Missouri.

      Looking it up, There are the Show Me State Games, which include disc golf, with age brackets.

      • CatchTheCarp

        The league I used to play in has enough old farts now that they now have a “geezer” division. The old guys only play 18 holes instead of 36 (it’s a short course) which is more my speed. Thinking about finding a partner (doubles league) and seeing if the old arm has a few more throws left in it. I do miss the camaraderie.

    • JaimeRoberto (shama/lama/ding dong)

      Get thee to a meadery.

    • DEG

      Apropos for you:

      From Japan comes the heartwarming story of radical feminists being defeated by the holy power of boobs:

      Some pictures mildly NSFW.

    • Lackadaisical

      The second one has too much plastic injected into her. Staying to fall into uncanny valley territory.

  18. Gustave Lytton

    Stupid motion smoothing. Is there any hotel tv that isn’t fucked up anymore? Dr Strangelove is awful asa soap opera

    • Mojeaux

      Can you get into the TV settings at all?

      • Gustave Lytton

        Not really. Some you can change it by resetting the tv. But it loses the programming. This one has a customized remote and the tv is little more than a monitor for the set top box. I just don’t understand what the market for motion smoothing is. People who hate movies?

  19. Festus

    Merry Solstice you lovely Folk! Judging by the last few months this may be the very last one for me. I love you people!

  20. Tres Cool

    suh’ fam
    whats goody

    • Sean

      ☕🍳😉

    • Grosspatzer

      “This is increasingly, sadly, the world we’re in, with climate change,” Murphy said during his regular television show on News 12 New Jersey.

      Fuck off, you knucklehead.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Forest fires simply never happened before all this started. It’d be kind of nice to have a boogieman to blame everything on, I could turn my brain off and just go with it.

    • robodruid

      If ever there was going to be vigilantism out there…

  21. Tres Cool

    Since its the solstice and all, may has well have some summer madness.

    • Gender Traitor

      Gonna be another scorcher ’round these parts for the next few days, sez Kirstie.

      • Tres Cool

        Fuck the neighbors- Im mowing around 9 am or whenever the back 40 looks to have dried enough.
        Not supposed to be as soupy humid as last week tho.

  22. Tulip

    Daily Quordle 148
    6️⃣4️⃣
    8️⃣5️⃣
    quordle.com

    • The Hyperbole

      9️⃣3️⃣
      8️⃣5️⃣

    • Not Adahn

      Daily Quordle 148
      4️⃣5️⃣
      6️⃣3️⃣

    • db

      5 2
      7 6

    • Lackadaisical

      Remove the tats and she’s average looking.

  23. DEG

    It’s a bit chilly here in southern NH this morning. 48 degrees Fahrenheit.

    Off to the gym.

    • Lackadaisical

      The radio informs me it’s a’crisp’ 75 out this morning.

      Fucking Florida.

      • Tres Cool

        Once I spent 3 weeks testing a paper mill in Perry, Fl. In july.
        That heat/humidity was straight retarded.

      • Lackadaisical

        If I had an outside job I’d never have moved here.

  24. Tulip

    I have to go to office today. Will someone post last call for what are we reading on the morning links? They can post in the forum or message me through the forum. Thanks

    • Tres Cool

      I keep forgetting we have a forum.

      (I think salon sounds classier)

      • db

        Saloon, you mean.

  25. Gender Traitor

    Good morning, Lack, DEG (::waves as he jogs off to the gym::), Sean, Tulip, homey, ‘bodru, and any lurkers!

    Back to work today to race through payroll a day late in a blind panic – just like I’ll have to do again in two weeks.

    In other news that no one in this solar system can claim is “too local,” I just double-checked, and NA didn’t warn us about this momentous lineup. I’d call it a lineup worthy of the All-Star Game except, you know, they’re planets, not stars.

    • Gender Traitor

      P.S. Rufus sighting – a belated comment on the Montreal pic at the end of the IFLA thread! (I begged him to come join us in “real time,” so we’ll see. Probably too busy working. 🙁)

    • Grosspatzer

      Mornin’, GT.

      “Back to work today to race through payroll a day late in a blind panic ”

      *pictures army of cubicle drones approaching GT with pitchforks*

      • Gender Traitor

        As long as all the supervisors get their folks’ timesheets approved pronto, I can do MY thing expeditiously, and everyone’s pay should land in their accounts right on schedule Friday morning.

        Sometimes supervisors forget what week it is. I usually give them until noon Monday on a normal pay week, but I’ll be sending out my nag-o-gram a wee bit earlier than that this morning.

    • Grosspatzer

      “This alignment hasn’t happened since March 5, 1864!”

      So one more year of senseless destruction? That’s actually better than I thought

  26. Grosspatzer

    Mornin’, reprobates!

  27. Timeloose

    Good morning everyone. I got to see the sun come up out my window this morning. Made me very happy. I hope everyone has a good day.

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, ‘loosey! Here’s a delightfully cheesy video of an appropriate song for the occasion. (Really tried to find a…more dignified version from “The Me Nobody Knows,” but even the Internet apparently doesn’t have everything. 😉)

    • Grosspatzer

      I could be wrong, but last time I checked, a blockade was an act of war. What is the upside here?

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        There isn’t one, it’s all risk and no reward.

      • rhywun

        Biden told us the reward: regime change in Russia.

  28. Grosspatzer

    Daily Quordle 148
    8️⃣5️⃣
    9️⃣4️⃣
    quordle.com

    • db

      Any idea why these sorts of announcements are happening during Pride Month?

      Or is it just a coincidence, and certain sports’ seasons are over now, so it’s a normal, appropriate time to announce rule changes?