Wednesday Afternoon SugarLinks – You Are Nothing

by | Sep 14, 2022 | Daily Links | 294 comments

I really like this Twitter feed. I will say, though, that this is mild post from them…

I’ve looked all my life for a reliable brand of wet doughnuts. (What the fuck, Quebec?)

Also, The Wet Doughnut is obviously a sex act. Speculate at will.


 

Mentally disturbed woman describes the scent of Joe Biden.


 

Unprepared New Hampshire Hikers Were Charged With a Crime After Rescue

Back in June, in New Hampshire’s Franconia Notch State Park, two hikers got into trouble and called for Search and Rescue. After a seven hour ordeal, both trapped hikers were rescued. Authorities, though, charged the two hikers with reckless conduct for being so ill-prepared for their adventure. Jason Feierstin, 22, of Lowell, MA, and Dylan Stahley, 25, of Windsor, NH, entered guilty pleas to reduce their charge from a misdemeanor to a violation.

What was the problem? One of the hikers had gotten himself trapped beneath a ledge looming over a cliff. He was the one who called for help. Meanwhile, the other hiker was also stuck, after climbing off-trail for awhile before realizing he couldn’t get himself down.

“Conservation Officers learned from the two hikers they had no plan for a hike that day. They were not familiar with the area, did not stay on any trail, and did not have any equipment or even footwear for entering such a steep and dangerous location, much less ropes, harnesses, or climbing gear.”

“The safety of rescuers is paramount in the execution of search and rescue missions. When people put themselves into hazardous situations needlessly or by being ill prepared, and put rescuers in harm’s way, they need to be held accountable,” said Lt. James Kneeland of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department’s Law Enforcement Division.

This is a real conundrum for me. My libertardian principles say that most of government is taxes paying to fix the issues that stem from individual stupidity, but on the other hand, if hiking was banned I’d never have to go on one again.


 

 

The Magnetic Fields
“The Death of Ferdinand de Saussure”
69 Love Songs (1999)

 

I met Ferdinand de Saussure
On a night like this
On love he said
“I’m not so sure
I even know what it is
No understanding
No closure
It is a nemesis
You can’t use a bulldozer
To study orchids”

He said
So we don’t know anything
You don’t know anything
I don’t know anything
about love

But we are nothing
You are nothing
I am nothing
Without love

I’m just a great composer
And not a violent man
But I lost my composure
And I shot Ferdinand
Crying “it’s well and kosher
to say you don’t understand
but this is for Holland-Dozier-Holland”

His last words were
We don’t know anything

About The Author

SugarFree

SugarFree

Your Resident Narcissistic Misogynist Rape-Culture Apologist

294 Comments

  1. Count Potato

    Steven Soderburgh shot an entire movie on an iPhone?

    • Pat

      Couldn’t be any worse than the crap he normally churns out.

      • Cowboy

        I guess i’ll out myself as a big fan of Soderbergh’s films. I really like his style.

        I havent seen Magic Mike or its sequel, so cant comment on those, but man, the Oceans movies, Contagion, Sex Lies Videotape, Logan Lucky,Traffic, The Informant, Solaris… love em. I even liked Haywire, and I dont think anyone likes that movie.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Candelabra, King of the Hill, Gray’s Anatomy…

      • Pat

        I was mostly just being a wise ass, although I’m not a huge fan. Very hit or miss for me.

      • rhywun

        I liked Solaris.

        Seen a couple others on that list but didn’t make much of an impression on me.

      • DrOtto

        I still have a couple of those to watch, but agree, he’s s good filmmaker. I own Haywire on Blue ray. Watching Gina Carano kick ass is more believable than most women Hollywood casts in those roles.

      • slumbrew

        I really liked Haywire.

      • Count Potato

        OK, is it any good? I knew it wasn’t Sex, Lies, and Videotape, because video tape.

        Anyway, Traffic was very good.

      • SugarFree

        It was OK. Probably have been better if Claire Foy, one of the most overused actresses with no discernable talent whatsoever wasn’t the lead.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        She was Brit actress of the moment, and she road that to irrelevance.

        Kinda like you couldn’t turn around without seeing Kevin Spacey. And then KPAX.

      • SDF-7

        I’ve only ever seen her in the first (3?) seasons of The Crown. I thought she did fine playing Elizabeth — but asking a Brit to play uptight, uncomfortable and constrained by society is like asking a fish to play “wet”, so there you are.

      • Pat

        I liked K-PAX. Ended up seeing it a couple of times in theaters and then read the book. Of course I was 14 at the time.

  2. Count Potato

    “the cable is out and the lights flicker”

    That part sounds accurate.

  3. Shpip

    Donuts soaked in rum and maple.

    Breakfast of champions.

    • Bobarian LMD

      Probably not on a diabetic’s recommended list.

  4. Count Potato

    I don’t think they should discourage people from calling S&R out of fear of being prosecuted. Same goes for drug overdoses.

    • Tonio

      I think most jurisdictions now have safe harbor laws to prevent people from being charged for merely being in the same dwelling as an OD’d person. That used to be a problem.

      I have no trouble billing people for their own search and rescue, particularly if they are the ones who call for help. I’m not comfortable with criminal charges for that, though.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        An old friend of mine did six on a nickel for shooting up with a woman who then OD’d and died. Just threw himself at the court out of pure guilt.

      • Tonio

        Can you translate the convict slang for us?

      • SugarFree

        “Sex on a nickel” is a cheap date.

      • SDF-7

        Or someone who really really believes size doesn’t matter…

      • Pope Jimbo

        See I thought it was a way of describing the size of the “slot”. Anyone with a dick bigger than a nickel is right out.

        Winston’s mom is obviously an Apollo Silver Dollar (obviously size-wise, because she’s never been paid that).

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        He did six years on a five year sentence. He just pled guilty out of guilt, and was convicted for “death in the commission of a crime.” He was at Corcoran, which is where Manson was being held.

      • Tonio

        How did he serve longer than his sentence? Bad behavior?

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        Yeah, sort of. Being a white kid in a pretty serious prison is not a place for good manners. So, bad behavior, or making it out alive, you be the judge.

      • Count Potato

        As someone who used to do backpack camping, who is to decide what is prepared? Even for hunting, fishing, or day hiking, I would carry sufficient survival gear, but there is no way to be prepared for anything that could happen.

      • EvilSheldon

        Who decides? Other backpack campers. Ideally obes who manage to spend a few nights out without dying.

      • Tonio

        Unfortunately organizations like ACA (the governing body for canoe and kayak sports) does a piss poor job of engaging the public. Not that the public listens or understands. After a Spring drowning here, at least the local news channels are doing a better job on reporting on river levels and the gear and experience required to use the river at a certain level.

        The other problem is that inexperienced river users see the true gods of whitewater out in high levels and assume it’s safe because “those people are on the river.” They don’t realize that “those people” have years of experience and training, and fully understand the risks, and go with other experienced people with rescue gear and knowledge.

      • SDF-7

        I’m not a camper, hiker, etc…. but I do know full well that nature by default is more than capable of killing us without even noticing. If I ever went further than the “maintained trail in a National Park” level, you can be damned sure I’d research and plan things out. Hard to wrap my head around folks who think they can just trot out and it’ll all be fine….

      • Tonio

        Youths believe they are immortal, and overestimate their own competence.

      • dorvinion

        Even on NPS trails a certain level of preparedness is appropriate.

        All too often when we go out west for our vacations we see people out on the trails wearing flip-flops with little/no water, no sun protection, and no bear protection

        You’re probably not gonna die if you fail to bring these items, provided you stick to trails. But you do stand a much higher chance of becoming a pain in someone else’s butt if someone else has to provide you water, or help you hobble back to the trailhead for lack of proper footwear.

        I can understand not bringing rain gear, or clothing for an unexpected overnight, but water, sun protection and proper footwear are essentials.

      • Mojeaux

        I will say that the last time I wore “proper” footwear to go on my afternoon walk, they ripped the back of my heels to shreds and I ended up walking home barefoot, in blood-soaked socks, trailing blood behind me. And I got a wart out of the deal. Tennis shoes, socks, and yes the shoes were the right size. I do all my shoe-required activities in Birks or, if DIYing, work boots.

      • EvilSheldon

        You’re not wrong. If I had a dollar for every time I had to explain to some drunken yahoo rafters that they’re gonna drown in sight of the put-in, I’d have like fifty bucks.

      • Pope Jimbo

        The other problem is that inexperienced river users see the true gods of whitewater out in high levels and assume it’s safe because “those people are on the river.” They don’t realize that “those people” have years of experience and training, and fully understand the risks, and go with other experienced people with rescue gear and knowledge.

        When it comes to ice fishing, watching “other people” is not always a good idea. One year, I saw a half dozen guys out on the ice and figured it was OK if they were out there. It seemed early, but six guys, must be safe. I didn’t even get 10 feed from shore and the ice was already flexing because it was so thin. Got my fat ass back to shore and realized they were just idiots who didn’t know better.

      • Tundra

        Even on NPS trails a certain level of preparedness is appropriate.

        Even?

        I’ve hiked in more than 20 NPs and I can attest that unless you are doing the boardwalk near the visitor center, you better be prepared.

        Someone drowned again in the Narrows in Zion recently. People die all over the parks. Just because it’s a marked trail doesn’t mean it’s not sketchy.

      • Gender Traitor

        I was a bit alarmed that there were no guard rails along the disturbingly narrow path to the cliff dwellings at Mesa Verde. 😳

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        unless you are doing the boardwalk near the visitor center, you better be prepared

        Even then, for some “easy” trails, you should be prepared, too.

        We visited a state park a few months back and decided to do the easy 1.5 mile loop with the kids. (the trail went off in this field) Turns out the trail that appeared on the map to be in the field in front of the ridge was actually right up the middle of the ridge. OK, fine, that was a risk we were willing to take. A bit more incline than we wanted, but it’s 1.5 miles. Then we got to a poorly marked intersection of a few different trails and took the wrong one. The mild to moderate incline turned into a strongly moderate incline with sheer drops to the side and scramble areas. By the time we figured out where we were, it was quicker to head to a different river crossing than we used the first time. The first one we used in the way in was a bunch of giant slate rocks with a couple of small (6″-1′) hops over the water. The one on the way back was a calf-high ford on slippery rocks with an 18 month old and a 5 year old in tow. All in, our little hour long pleasure walk turned into a 3.5 hour technical hike.

        Thankfully it was a situation where it could only get so bad because it was a relatively small trail system, but lesson learned. Pack for 4x the expected time out there, even for the easy trails.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Well, they sounded like what they did was pretty egregious.

        Making them pay for the rescue is probably the right answer.

      • Tonio

        From what I read these kids had no gear (not even hiking shoes), were way off the trail, and attempting technical climbing with no experience (or gear, as noted previously). But I agree that the definition of preparedness is a sticky question.

      • R C Dean

        To a point, yes. Clearly these idiots weren’t prepared for anything, much less what they attempted. Here in Tucson, if you go hiking in the Hot Season without an ample supply of water, you are clearly and obviously negligent. Now, should you prepare for low-probability events (like, say, getting jumped by a mountain lion, which happens practically never here)? Not necessarily. But you should be prepared to do whatever you are planning to do, and not do shit you aren’t prepared to do. That doesn’t sound too hard.

      • Ownbestenemy

        TOK would understand this along with other hockey players. When you join a league or even engage in more than free skate night, typically rinks have you sign up for secondary insurance. I would have no problem if going beyond a moderate trail I needed to get a secondary insurance to cover.

      • EvilSheldon

        That’s about where I am.

        SAR always and everywhere works on a best effort basis. They will never put themselves in unnecessary danger to effect a rescue (rightly so, I might add.) So the reckless conduct charge is bullshit on its face. And being a chucklehead isn’t a criminal offense.

        That said, backpacking up in the Whites is not for newbs.

      • Lackadaisical

        It’s ridiculous to make it a crime to ask for help.

        As you say, and the law acknowledges, there is no obligation to put an officer at risk or even to respond to 911 calls. The rescuers can’t then blame other people when they decide to help.

        Fine, send them a bill, but then reduce their tax allocation accordingly.

  5. The Other Kevin

    Cocoa? I’m guessing Ben Gay and urine.

    • CPRM

      That is MY signature scent!

      • Bobarian LMD

        A splash behind each ear?

    • EvilSheldon

      I was going with, ‘Three-day-old Ensure burps’.

  6. Pat

    donuts soaked in rum & maple

    I prefer rum ham.

    • Bobarian LMD

      That is definitely a sex act.

    • SugarFree

      Competing definitions? Fake news.

      • SDF-7

        I’m not going to look, just assuming diarrhea combined with a hernia cushion or somesuch. One thing SF posts remind me — there are many, many things I don’t know and don’t wish to know.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        I was thinking just a simple euphemism – that hoe is wet and sticky like a…wet donut.

        Something like that.

      • SugarFree

        Or excitement: “My doughnut is so wet for you, baby.”

      • SDF-7

        That sounds like a lead in to MS’s first link yesterday.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        I thought it was a “backwards” facial.

      • SugarFree

        Like where your dick hoovers jizz off a woman’s face?

      • R C Dean

        Dang. My dick needs to up its game.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        Nah, pulling out and shooting off after anal.

        So, backwards!

      • Bobarian LMD

        Like an elephant eating a trail of peanuts.

      • DrOtto

        I would call that “The Anteater”

      • Bobarian LMD

        That first one is clearly a ‘glazed doughnut with sprinkles’.

  7. db

    ‘nuts soaked in rum and maple sounds like a wonderful evening

    • Ownbestenemy

      I smell a dick/balls plot

      • Swiss Servator

        Dick Slashballs in “The Rhum and Maple Agent”.

  8. Ownbestenemy

    Unprepared New Hampshire Hikers Were Charged With a Crime After Rescue

    Also a conundrum for me too. Doing stupid stuff and getting yourself in a pickle, sure I guess I can see being charged but having laws on the books on ‘how to hike’ and the government saying what is/isn’t prepared I do not like.

    • kinnath

      Billing people for S&R is one thing. Charging them with a crime is another.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Yeah that was what my brain meant in the first part.

      • Count Potato

        Fair point, people get charged for ambulances.

    • Mojeaux

      I think sending a bill for the rescue is reasonable. Add a PITA surcharge if they weren’t prepared.

      • Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

        Vancouver, Canada’s North Shore Mountains run into this problem dozens of times a year, with the premier rescue org (volunteer!) having to fetch some witling’s candied ass out of trouble after they went for a “quick hike” armed only with their cell phone and a bottle of Aquafina. Lots of tourists get hauled out of trouble on the regular. What could go wrong? They can see the high rises of Vancouver and the cell towers from their hikes!

        I’ve never heard of any of them being charged, but billed? Oh yeah. Helicopter rescues ain’t cheap.

    • Pat

      Privatize all hiking areas, make the hikers pay use fees, and if they fuck up too badly, the rescue gets billed to their insurance. This also neatly disposes with the problem of people wanting to participate in hiking.

      • Ownbestenemy

        “Moderate to strenuous” hike trails have a sad. I wish Red Rock would do that…too many people dressed like a stroll in the park on some of the more challenging trails, clogging up the paths.

      • Tonio

        They don’t understand that “moderate to strenuous” means for experienced people in good shape with proper hydration and electrolytes.

        I think part of this is because the PC crowd shunned Boy Scouts and failed to come up with any good replacement. Not that I haven’t helped clueless scout “leaders” out of sticky situations both on the trail and on the river.

      • Shiny Nerfherder

        Whether it’s surfing, backpacking, boating, etc…, there’s always some numbnuts nearby who’s in over their heads.

        People think the outdoors is just like their living room with trees.

      • Tonio

        “there’s always some numbnuts nearby who’s in over their heads”

        Often literally.

      • DEG

        I’ve been hiking in places where it looked to me that “moderate”, “strenuous”, etc. were based on the fitness levels of your average couch potato.

      • Pat

        Quite possibly true of Red Rock as Las Vegas was once America’s fattest city.

        My mom wanted to hike Red Rock before she died, but we never ended up going, and now I feel like an asshole for it.

      • cyto

        My experience as well.

        Most of my life, “strenuous” was not any harder than a walk…

        Fast forward to old and fat me….

        I used to run up and down Stone Mountain. Really challenging up, gets steeper and steeper as you near the top, and the last few hundred yards have your hands on the ground.

        Down is really fun.. swinging from tree to tree, bounding from boulder to boulder… A blast.

        That was then. Went like a year back and walked up with the family. Good lord, I am out of shape. Walking up was about all I could handle! You wouldn’t think you would deteriorate that much in…. Uh…. 33 years? Jeez.. has it been that long?

        Crap. I am old.

      • Tundra

        Tell me.

        We were out in the mountains one really hot day and met up with a young couple and their German Shepherd. No backpack, no water, no nothing. Poor dog was dying (I didn’t give a fuck about the humans!). I gave the dog a bunch of water and then made them take a full Nalgene. I was pretty pissed off.

        They left my water bottle at the trailhead, so I guess there’s that.

  9. Mojeaux

    libertardian

    Not sure if serious …

    • SugarFree

      I never joke, lady.

      • Bobarian LMD

        You hardly ever have any typos, either.

    • juris imprudent

      Too good to be a typo.

  10. DEG

    It’s unclear whether this is a regular thing in New Hampshire, charging naive hikers who need a rescue with a crime, though if you’re clearly negligent and you need help, be prepared to pay for it whether or not you face charges. New Hampshire has for years stuck wilderness users who require extraction by SAR with the bill for their rescue. So it’s not a state you want to play fast and loose with that “SOS” button on your satellite messenger device. Not that you ever should.

    I didn’t know charging rescued hikers with a crime was an option in NH. I knew about charging for rescues.

    • UnCivilServant

      I’m okay with billing for the cost of rescue. Criminalization, however, is inappropriate.

    • Ownbestenemy

      They slapped them with reckless conduct and the catchall

      I. A person is guilty of reckless conduct if he recklessly engages in conduct which places or may place another in danger of serious bodily injury.

      What a stretch…there is inherent risk in waking up, so anyone can get this slapped on them.

      • DEG

        Someone in the state AG’s office wants to get his conviction numbers up.

  11. Certified Public Asshat

    Ukraine is curb-stomping the “hyper-masculine unwoke” Russian military so hard that the ground underneath the Russians is as red as the ketchup-covered walls of the Trump White House.(Quick reminder: a ton of MAGA accounts with FREEDOM in their bios sided with the invaders.)— Jay Black (@jayblackisfunny) September 10, 2022

    “Jay Black is funny”

    • UnCivilServant

      Standard propaganda disclaimer – I don’t believe what either side in the war is claiming.

      • Ownbestenemy

        We had 20+ years of war footage only to be blacked out and selectively shown footage of this conflict to bolster each others claims. I agree with you..its all bullshit from both teams.

      • Swiss Servator

        If it ain’t geolocated footage, don’t trust it.

        The maritime bloggers have been the most accurate – calling the Russians on the Moskva and the Ukes on their claim of sinking a frigate right after.

    • SDF-7

      I continue to trust absolutely nothing reported from that corner of the globe. Too many agendas, too many governments spinning propaganda. We’ll see what happens probably 30 years after military action ends and the truth might have a chance at coming out.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      I’m really allergic to cats, but my kids wanted one, so of course we wound up with two.I was away, working, and my lungs got used to a cat-free environment. But I’m back and it feels like all my air is being filtered through Steve Bannon’s hair.— Jay Black (@jayblackisfunny) September 8, 2022

      He’ll be here all week folks with us forever.

      • SugarFree

        Pretty sad watching someone trying to make TDS a career in 2022.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        If you have to tell people you are funny…

      • UnCivilServant

        If you have to tell people that you’re funny, charming, pretty, or in charge – you’re not.

      • CPRM

        As a funny person I agree.

      • Shiny Nerfherder

        I don’t know about any of the rest of you guys, but I’m definitely funny.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        I bet your mom said you were handsome too!

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      I’m sure the Ukrainian army is totally woke and up to date with their pronouns.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m postive the Azov regiment is chock full of proggy they/xirs

      • R C Dean

        The Ukes burned them early in the war. “Y’all defend that steel plant to the last man, okthanksbye.”

        Which should tell you something.

      • R.J.

        “I’LL DEFEND THIS TO THE LAST DROP OF… YOUR BLOOD!”

    • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

      Disinformed.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Also, I take major offense to “curb-stomping”. How come the forever enraged are not jumping on that but mere mention of community does.

      • UnCivilServant

        Because none of them seem to know where it comes from.

    • Pat

      That scrappy band of rebels armed with nothing but woke sensibilities, half a trillion dollars worth of American weapons, and full access to all of America’s intelligence resources.

  12. JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

    Several years ago I was hiking in Slovensky Raj in Slovakia. At the trailhead they had a booth set up where you could buy insurance in case you injure yourself. It seemed like a good idea that maybe we should incorporate here.

    • Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

      Were the rates reasonable?

      • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

        Probably, but I self insured, because generally things are so cheap there I figured I could handle the cost if the need arose.

    • CPRM

      Would you like to bundle that with your home, RV, boat, ATV, Motorcycle or are you a stupid poor?

    • Lackadaisical

      Probably a scam.

    • Tonio

      Was it flat rate, or sliding-scale based on age and BMI? Because you couldn’t do the latter here.

      I know that some hobby clubs include insurance with membership, and restrict use of their facilities to members-only. As noted above, that’s more difficult to do with government-administered land.

      • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

        I don’t remember the details, but it probably was a flat rate and valid only for the day you were hiking on the trails.

      • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

        I think the main reason they offered the insurance is because the trails involved climbing up slippery ladders next to waterfalls or holding onto chains as you skirt a drop off. Lots of opportunities to hurt yourself. And the added bonus of Central European maintenance.

  13. Lackadaisical

    The Wet Doughnut

    Just be careful not to give her a flat tire while you’re doing it.

    • SDF-7

      Now you have opened the joking valve, stem not the flood impending upon us.

      See also: “Hey baby — bet you’d get my long john sopping wet….”

      • Bobarian LMD

        It’s got a cream filled center…

  14. Sensei

    Teens Love Old Rock Band T-Shirts. Just Don’t Ask Them to Name a Song

    In seventh grade, Ms. Jenkins decided to buy the shirt that everyone was wearing, she said—a crop top with the Rolling Stones’ signature logo of red lips with a tongue sticking out. The next morning, she came downstairs sporting her new T-shirt. For Ms. Jenkins, in Highlands Ranch, Colo., the shirt was just a hot new style trend. For her father, 50-year-old Scott Jenkins, it was a flashback to junior high.

    “Hey, that was my music back when I was your age,” Mr. Jenkins told his daughter. “Do you even know that music?” In jest, he asked her to name a couple of Rolling Stones songs.

    “Obviously, I couldn’t tell him any as I’ve never listened to the band before,” said Ms. Jenkins. She still wears it regularly, along with a more recently acquired Metallica T-shirt, which is “even more of my generation,” said her father. Ms. Jenkins can’t name a song from Metallica, either.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Meh, I am sure kids in the 90s were wearing Boston tees and had no idea too.

      • cyto

        90s kids would have needed to wear Benny Goodman T-shirts to be the equivalent of the Stones shirt today!

        And kids today know that music just fine, even if they don’t know the names. It is in all their favorite movies.

    • UnCivilServant

      That link doesn’t provide any satisfaction. You will be unforgiven for that.

      • The Other Kevin

        Don’t start me up. I tried the link too.

      • Ownbestenemy

        You all are going to make him cry tears from heaven if you keep this up.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Hey Hugh, get off of McCloud!

      • Mojeaux

        Sometimes you get what you need.

      • Gender Traitor

        I wanted to get in on this Stones reference thread, but it’s all over now. 🙁

      • juris imprudent

        You can’t say we never tried…

    • Pat

      I can guarantee you far less than 1% of the hipster doofuses who have been buying Unknown Pleasures t-shirts for the last 20 years could name a Joy Division song, including Love Will Tear Us Apart.

      Also, unless you’re at a venue where the band is playing, wearing a band t-shirt makes you look like a colossal douchebag.

      • SDF-7

        Now I’m surprised that isn’t a band name. (At least not that a very tentative web search could find — not really the sort of terms that won’t be filtered). I expected a punk band to take it up…..

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        I wear band t-shirts all of the time, but then I dress like a cross between an aging vato and a homeless dude.

      • Tundra

        Harsh. I was out walking and had a lovely conversation with a hottie who was sporting a Descendents tee. She actually knew all about them.

        Slight buzzkill when she told me it is her dad’s favorite band.

      • Nephilium

        I assume you’ve seen the interview with Milo where he talks about his kids finding out who he was?

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        Heh. My son went and saw Helmet when he was in college “They were good dad, but a bunch of old guys your age tried to start a pit.”

      • Pat

        I will make exceptions for all glibs because I’m magnanimous like that.

      • rhywun

        Slight buzzkill when she told me it is her dad’s favorite band.

        LOL!

      • Nephilium

        You never wear the shirt of the band to a show where they’re playing.

      • Tundra

        Correct. You wear the shirt of the band that the singer used to be in.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m confused. You people actually know who’s in these groups and where they’re playing?

      • Tundra

        Of course.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m lucky if I even know the name of the song, let alone that of the band associated with “that tune where…”

      • Nephilium

        Well… yes. I’ve been out drinking with some of them too.

      • Pat

        The move is to arrive shirtless, buy a t-shirt at the venue to support the band, wear it for the evening until it is covered in beer, puke, tears, and blood, then discard it on the way out.

      • Tundra

        Alpha.

      • rhywun

        Right? How gauche.

      • rhywun

        When I was in college it was a signal of what kind of music you like (and therefore which tribe you belong to).

        But yeah, wearing a band you don’t know is douchey.

        PS. I wish I had an Unknown Pleasures T-shirt but it’s so cliché now.

    • Rat on a train

      It’s better than Che shirts.

    • Mojeaux

      My kid wears old band t-shirts, as did her cohort in high school. They, however, did listen to the music. Likely, her friends’ parents played it like we did.

      Of course, I used to dance with XX to “Shake your booty” when she was a toddler.

      • UnCivilServant

        *rattles old-timey pirate trunk full of coinage*

      • Mojeaux

        Then I found out her favorite band is Muse, and I’m like, dudette, dafuq? That fly-by-night outfit?! Then I realized they’re 20 years old, so …

      • Bobarian LMD

        My Grand-daughter has been sporting my ’79 Rolling Stones (w J Geils and Prince) LA Coliseum t-shirt for the last year.

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      My daughter loves her Rammstein, Bowie and Pink Floyd shirts, and she knows their music too.

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      MY fifteen year old wears my wife’s old Peter Frampton t-shirt.

      I think she just likes the hair.

  15. Name's BEAM. James BEAM.

    So, rum & maple donuts.

    Just a less-fancy beignet, basically. Fairly common French dessert, though I’ve never seen it in a donut shape before. Usually little spherical pastries.

    I never liked ’em much.

    • SugarFree

      The Wet Beignet is utterly unspeakable, human words fail.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Well of course, you have to have a prehensile pseudo-penis to even be able to perform that act.

  16. EvilSheldon

    I think that JoJo might be having a stroke.

    • Swiss Servator

      No, then she would have said “burnt toast”…

      • Ownbestenemy

        Not almonds?

    • Tonio

      No, that’s standard behavior for her. She’s a total True Believer. I’m wondering if she’s a paid shill, but there’s no way of knowing.

      • EvilSheldon

        I’m a little disappointed that no one picked up the double entandre…

      • Tonio

        Dammit. Okay, that was funny.

  17. Count Potato

    “For all of the scandals that have rocked the world of elite chess in recent years, rumors that a 19-year-old grandmaster used anal beads and artificial intelligence to beat the world’s top player might be the most bizarre.

    Speculation has grown online that San Francisco-born Hans Niemann, a relative newcomer to the sport, inserted wireless vibrating anal beads into his body before his victorious match against World No. 1 grandmaster Magnus Carlsen, 31, last week.

    Chess fans have speculated that an accomplice watching the match at the Sinquefield Cup in St. Louis used a chess program to determine the perfect move, and then sent encoded instructions via the vibrating sex toy.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11211325/Did-chess-grandmaster-use-anal-beads-beat-world-No-1-Magnus-Carlsen-Bizarre-rumour-sweeps-sport.html

    • UnCivilServant

      That sounds more difficult than just being a better chess player.

      • EvilSheldon

        Nah, just breathe and relax. And use a good lubricant.

    • Ownbestenemy

      There is no other reason, not one that this person could have won.

    • SDF-7

      Sensei beat you to it this morning. And really, posting *that* story once was enough. 😉

      • Rat on a train

        So more than drugs?

    • rhywun

      Chess people are weird.

    • robc

      The issue is that Niemann has a cheating history. He cheated online when 12 and when 16, and was banned by chess.com both times. He admits to that but claims to have never cheated at over the board chess.

      So, when he beat Carlsen and Carlsen then rage-quit the tourney, people just assumed Hans had cheated. And keep coming up with weird ideas about how.

      • EvilSheldon

        Carlsen has been beaten before, though. If you’re undefeated at chess you’re either a boot-ass noob, or a huge sandbagger.

      • robc

        That was the weird thing. Carlsen has never quit a tourney before. Its not like one loss will cause him to lose the tourney.

        So he does something weird and sends a tweet basically saying that he can’t say anything or he will get in trouble. That caused everyone to start guessing at what was going on. And the guesses have gotten progressively weirder.

      • grrizzly

        Didn’t he refuse to play in the championship tournament recently?

      • Ted S.

        I thought he said he was retiring as WC after the last go-round, not so much “refuse to play”.

    • Shpip

      Talk about pulling one out of your… nevermind, too easy. Besides, we’re family-friendly around here.

    • Ted S.

      I figure he got the signals in yogurt.

    • Sensei

      That’s truly awesome.

    • The Other Kevin

      The “just do the opposite of Trump” strategy strikes again.

    • Bobarian LMD

      If you destroy the dollar, then $80 is kinda cheap.

      • R.J.

        Good point. We’ll be papering the bathroom with old dollar bills soon.

  18. juris imprudent

    This was a very good read. Bacevich is routinely good, and here is better than routine.

    Allow me to suggest another explanation, however, for the performance gap that afflicts the twenty-first-century U.S. military establishment. The real problem hasn’t been arrogant, ill-informed civilians or generals who lack the right stuff or suffer from bad luck. It’s the way Americans, especially those wielding influence in national security circles, including journalists, think tankers, lobbyists, corporate officials in the military-industrial complex, and members of Congress, have come to think of war as an attractive, affordable means of solving problems.

  19. SDF-7

    Off topic — just like to thank the SMITH clan for making me finally break down and get Telefon on DVD from Amazon since I can’t find it anywhere else. Miss that movie too much not to have it in the collection. Hopefully not pure nostalgia glasses on the memories..

  20. juris imprudent

    And since it was JoeMala day, how ’bout the Bee on point.

    “You are sitting in the front row,” said Jean-Pierre. “I expect a little more decorum from the press.”

    “I’m sorry,” said the NBC reporter. “I don’t understand. I’m just asking a question?”

  21. Tundra

    That song is 23 years old.

    *farts dust*

    It’s unclear whether this is a regular thing in New Hampshire, charging naive hikers who need a rescue with a crime, though if you’re clearly negligent and you need help, be prepared to pay for it whether or not you face charges. New Hampshire has for years stuck wilderness users who require extraction by SAR with the bill for their rescue. So it’s not a state you want to play fast and loose with that “SOS” button on your satellite messenger device. Not that you ever should.

    It’s a regular thing wherever there are beautiful hiking opportunities. However, if you do have a sat device, there is typically insurance available with your subscription.

    I’m a little torn on this one. Even prepared, shit can go sideways. I try to minimize the chances by carrying way too much shit!

    …if hiking was banned I’d never have to go on one again.

    I don’t understand this sentence.

    • The Other Kevin

      I’m not really a hiker either.

      I work from home, and I only met one of my coworkers in person (a Canadian guy who came to one of my games in Detroit). Once on a Zoom meeting another one of them invited me to come hike where she lives in Oregon. I just smiled and nodded.

      • Tundra

        Lol.

        You get a pass.

  22. Pat

    Loose goat ‘terrorizes’ Arizona residents, pees on deputy

    Sept. 14 (UPI) — An Arizona sheriff’s office said a loose goat “terrorized” a community for hours before being apprehended — and promptly urinating on a deputy.

    The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office said in a Twitter post that the goat, which they dubbed Billy, “terrorized some residents of Tonopah” for hours by causing damage to a garage door and an electrical cord before chasing a resident around a car.

    “Deputies from District 2 were able to take Billy into custody, at which point he assaulted one of our deputies by urinating on them,” the post said.

    • UnCivilServant

      Okay. Sounds like a goat being a goat.

    • The Other Kevin

      Let me guess what happened next… 46 shots and 3 of them hit the goat?

      • UnCivilServant

        3 of them hit the officer trying to tackle the goat.

      • Tres Cool

        A few knicked some stray dogs. You know they love shooting dogs.

    • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

      Greatest Of All Time?

      • Pat

        The GOAT goat.

      • Bobarian LMD

        The Tom Brady of ungulates.

      • Ted S.

        That goat was more likely to be a First than anyone here.

    • EvilSheldon

      I know a rural cop who had to hit a belligerent goat with his taser. Goats are fucking mean.

    • Rat on a train

      A community? Racist goat.

  23. Endless Mike

    Not sure what Biden smells like, but I guarantee you he knows what SHE smells like….

    • Tres Cool

      despair & thorazine ?

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      Formaldehyde probably.

    • Sensei

      Teen Spirit?

  24. Tres Cool

    From the previously linked Biden article “Death and the All-American Boy“. At least they’re consistent if nothing else:

    | He defines politics as power. “And, whether you like it or not, young lady,” he says, leaning over his desk to shake a finger at me, “us cruddy politicians can take away that First Amendment of yours if we want to.”

    • rhywun

      He seems nice.

    • whiz

      That article shows that he’s always been full of himself.

  25. robc

    URGE TO KILL RISING.

    Someone, who know longer works here, put some date fields in the database as timestamps. Timestamps have their place, BUT NOT IN A DATE FIELD IN A DIM_DATE TABLE!!!

    • UnCivilServant

      So, what you’re saying is the restaurant needs more illumination?

      /deliberately obtuse.

    • Rat on a train

      I always loved the use of required date fields where the exact date is often unknown.

    • Ted S.

      I hope that at least the dates were in YYYY-MM-DD format.

  26. whiz

    I don’t know if this has been posted before, but good on Liz Truss.

    • Plinker762

      She banned functioning links?

    • whiz

      Crap, tried to shorten it and failed. Try this.

    • Cowboy

      Allow me to bridge the gap, and try to shore up your link. Is this your supporting document?

      • juris imprudent

        Well played.

    • Dr. Fronkensteen

      “The assumption is that society is a machine where levers can be pulled, the handle can be cranked, and better results will ensue. So, there are calls to regulate or ban foods too high in sugar or fat, to reduce obesity. … But people aren’t machines — they are agents of their own destiny. ”

      Well, that just won’t do in our new utopia Madame PM.

  27. KSuellington

    Stale farts, a broom closet, and Ben Gay.

  28. Fatty Bolger

    I ain’t gonna lie, I want to try one of those donuts.

  29. Shpip

    After yesterday morning’s “Ruin a band name by omitting one letter” thread, I posted the original tweet to my Facebook wall and invited my friends to participate. The best replies:

    Lice in Chains
    Pear Jam
    Aerosith (accompanied with a .gif of Darth Vader wielding a lightsabre)
    Cheap Tick
    The Bestie Boys
    Ice Cub
    Big & ich

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Good game idea. The Cur. Ate Bush ( 😳 ).

      Shpip, is your adorable avatar your cat? I’ve seen cats that sit up but never one that stands.

      • Shpip

        Oh, that’s Bruno. He’s… different. Bit of a curmudgeon, could stand to lose a few pounds, and something of a micromanager.

        Other than that last part, he’d be the perfect glib mascot.

    • Count Potato

      Pear Jam sounds good.

      • KK the Porcine Pearl-Eater

        Nom

    • creech

      Rolling Tones.

    • Rat on a train

      Pseudo Eco
      Pubic Image Ltd
      Taking Heads

      • rhywun

        Pseudo Eco

        Whoa – blast from the past.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Hug Largo

      • Cowboy

        The Ew Pornographers
        Dance with the Dad
        Ole (Cortney love decided to join a mariachi band?)
        Id Rock
        Super Ramp

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      U

      • Rat on a train

        The B-2s could be a modern cover band. How about Avid Bowie?

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      I’m surprised this one hasn’t been done.

      Cunting Crows

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      The Residents of the United States of America

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      Do
      Rat
      Night Rager
      Z Top
      The Litter Band
      Ultra Ox

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        ” ”

        Tundra will get it.

      • Tundra

        Nice!

        I did.

    • juris imprudent

      Jon Mitchell
      Crowded Hose

    • Rat on a train

      Boy Gorge
      The Goos
      MF

    • Rat on a train

      Missing Perons for a punk band in Argentina.

    • Tundra

      Needed that.

      This one was next.

      Grady is the best.

      • Sean

        He’s always funny.

      • Tundra

        It was fun to see Shepherd as a young man, too!

        Even while watching Firefly, I always saw him as Harris in Barney Miller.

      • The Hyperbole

        Been watching the first season of BM on Amazon and I totally forgot how much of the early shows were Barney at home with the wife.

      • Tundra

        How does it hold up? I really loved that show.

      • The Hyperbole

        It’s far to woke for today, Pueto Rican, black, Polish, and Asian detectives? yeah right. Seems awful forced. But the theme song is still on of the best ever.

  30. one true athena

    Well, I hadn’t been sure “JoFromJerz” was even a real person, since she tweets like a bot, but she’s gotta be paid like that “Brooklyn Dad Defiant” account. No other explanation for the boost her nobody account suddenly got. And of course cozy pics with Biden seem pretty good confirmation of that.

  31. R.J.

    Test.
    Was everyone suddenly abducted by the FBI except me? It got quiet.

    • Sean

      Everyone is zapping their hard drives with high powered magnets.

      • R.J.

        All I have to do is scrub my feet on the carpet and touch the Raspberry Pi. Zap!

    • Brochettaward

      I’m lamenting that none of you will ever be First, no matter how much I try and lead you all.

      Why do you people have to fail me so very much?

      • Tundra

        Low T?

  32. The Late P Brooks

    Welllllll- I’m now the (proud or otherwise) owner of a 2005(?) Honda Elefent. As I was getting ready to go look at it again, the guy called me and said somebody was there looking at it and he wanted to give me first right of refusal. So I said, I’d take it. I don’t think he was playing me, but whatever. Decision made. I think it’ll be fine.

    After we did the deal, I said, “I just paid 4200 bucks for an 1100 dollar car. Welcome to Joe Biden’s America.” He laughed.

    • Sean

      Congrats, sucker.

    • Sensei

      If it’s rust free I’d take it.

    • Count Potato

      More like Obama’s America.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Congrats. I hear it’s a good dog car, if you have any.

    • Tundra

      Still, 4200 for anything that runs sounds like a score.

  33. DenverJ

    What’s up, my Glibs?

    • Sean

      It’s meet your FBI handler night.

      • rhywun

        Greetings, fellow chat room participants!

      • KK the Porcine Pearl-Eater

        At this point, I’d let even the FBI handle me.

      • Sean

        😂

      • R.J.

        Is that a warrant on your pocket or are you happy to see me?

      • Ted S.

        I’m sure Joe Biden is willing to handle you.

    • DEG

      A moderator explains at the start of the debate that Fetterman is using a closed captioning system and there may be a delay in what he is asked and his response.

      What could possibly go wrong?

      • Sensei

        “Fetterman has said he is experiencing auditory processing issues following his May 13 stroke that prevent him from quickly responding to what he is hearing.”

        But he’s fit serve!

      • rhywun

        Forget the stroke – from what I’ve heard he’s a fraud in addition to being a filthy leftist.

      • Shiny Nerfherder

        Doesn’t matter anymore.

        They’re going to push it until there’s an actual revolt. The other option is for them to cede power, and they’re not doing that.

      • juris imprudent

        I love the ad with some old, pseudo-blue-collar tough guy – like he’s playing the part of Fetterman’s dad (who was not blue collar). I guess some people will be fooled by it though.

  34. The Late P Brooks

    Everyone is zapping their hard drives with high powered magnets.

    What did I miss? Should I be worried? Am I staring down the barrel of a “John Doe, additional unnamed co-conspirator” subpoena?

    • rhywun

      At the rate Biden is adding wrongthinkers to his collection, there might be nobody left around here soon.

    • KK the Porcine Pearl-Eater

      Niecy Nash was great in Reno 911 tho

      (but it was the peripheral characters that really made that show)

  35. Not an Economist

    Everybody ready for the rail strike that starts Friday at midnight?

    • Tundra

      Where the fuck did that come from?

      Feels like a setup.

      • Not an Economist

        Rail Strike

        If it happens, and there may be a last minute deal, we are royally fucked. The Biden administration doesn’t really have a backup plan.

      • Cowboy

        they’re dealing

        Well, at leastbsome of them are. Apparently the White house made recommendations, that are aweet sweet deal, but its just not enough for some of them. I guess a 24% pay increase retroactive for the last 2 years isnt good enough

    • juris imprudent

      Well, it isn’t like this is France where a rail strike gets noticed.

  36. The Late P Brooks

    Congrats. I hear it’s a good dog car, if you have any.

    No dogs for me. However, it appears some previous owner’s dog ate part of the front passenger seat.

    • R.J.

      It’s still a really great car! The plastic floor washes clean of poo and blood really easy and it can store 15 of the 38 gallon lawn bags when you take the rear seat out.

  37. The Late P Brooks

    Everybody ready for the rail strike that starts Friday at midnight?

    I want to be a scab engineer. How hard can it be? Just put a tyrap on the dead man switch when it’s naptime.

    *I foresee a just-in-the-nick-of-time “compromise” brokered by President Friend of the Working Man.

    *Conceding to all union demands, in the name of inflation fighting and equitable utopian fascism.

    • R C Dean

      Concur

  38. The Late P Brooks

    I thought you bought one of these..

    Nope. No beer holder(s).

  39. The Late P Brooks

    I was out there looking at the Element a few minutes ago. I did a fairly piss poor job of inspecting it yesterday.

    it’s built on the CRV platform, apparently. It’s almost as if Honda looked at what they had done to the original CRV (loaded it down with the automotive equivalent of bloatware) and realized they had completely abandoned the people who used to buy CRVs as utility vehicles. So they resurrected utility.