Wednesday Morning Links

by | Dec 20, 2023 | Daily Links | 337 comments

I ain’t got no sports news. Nothing at all. So I’m moving on to…the links!

LOfuckingL!

I thought you were supposed to never go full retard. Unfortunately these people did not heed that advice.

This is completely outrageous! And I thought the people in the story above were fucking retarded.

And I’m not sure I’d call these people retarded. They were obviously smart enough to attain their current positions.  So I qualify them as authoritarian cocksuckers, not retards. (Yes, it’s finally a bit about the Colorado Supreme Court.)

Four of these people hate due process

All are welcome! Just don’t import the retarded politics you are fleeing, please.

I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. And I feel terrible for their families.

I’m surprised they haven’t blamed Greg Abbott. Or Trump, even. I remember when the media lost their shit when people brought a sick kid over 1000 miles to Del Rio and she died. I guess this time is (D)ifferent.

WOW! How does a small company lose that much money in such a short time? And who was dumb enough to give them that much to begin with?

I’m sure the free (read: stolen and redistributed) will work this time! The places its failed just weren’t doing it hard enough.

I was gonna get this song in at some point this week. I assume y’all expected it. And you definitely knew I’d play this one. ::pours beer out::

Enjoy them both. And enjoy this lovely Wednesday, dear friends!

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337 Comments

  1. The Hyperbole

    Its a perfectly cromulent flag, much better than their old one.

    • Rat on a train

      At least it is different than the sea of blue flags with state seals.

      • Not Adahn

        If you want to be a heraldry pedant, you can’t have multiple shades of the same color on a flag.

      • Rat on a train

        That’s vexing.

      • DrOtto

        It looks like the letter ‘K’. What needs to happen is someone needs place 3 of these side by side in their yard so it immediately become ‘problematic’.

      • DrOtto

        Dammit, wasn’t trying to respond here, but close enough.

      • Not Adahn

        For Klobuchar!

      • Grummun

        +2 frightened horses

      • Pope Jimbo

        That is a stylized map of Minnesoda you wanker!

      • Bobarian LMD

        With all the important places highlighted.

      • Swiss Servator

        I took it as a banner for the revival of K-mart.

        Now that I think about it, “K-mart Restorationsts” sounds like an industrial noise and dance band.

      • sloopyinca

        It might be a good flag for a state on the ocean or tiny island nation.

        But not for Minnesooooda. It don’t make no sense at all.

      • Not Adahn

        I actually like the left part being in the shape of the state.

      • sloopyinca

        It’s a brutalist state flag. And brutalism sucks.

      • Not Adahn

        Que?

        Seriously, what?

        It’s “Azure, upon a swallowtail azure, an eight-pointed star argent.”

        The two “azures” are what breaks it, but it’s otherwise a really normal blazon.

      • UnCivilServant

        The heraldric rules were written when you didn’t have 32-bit color.

        You couldn’t be sure of the exact shade of any given color people had.

        That said, I hate the new flag.

      • Not Adahn

        Blazons are a much more compact data format.

        That being said, the blazon was the official bit, since you never knew the artistic skill of the painter/tailor/embroiderer.

      • AlexinCT

        It’s what yo get from colonialism and being colonized by brutes.

      • Bobarian LMD

        … and being colonized by brutes.

        STEVE DIDN’T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH STUPID FLAG

      • Certified Public Asshat

        *squints*

        I guess I see it.

      • Fourscore

        I wish I had an original, it was good enough for nearly 200 years and now it’s offensive? Actually the new flag represents MN better. Bland, nothing remarkable. Should be at least 1/2 white, representing the snow season and surrender.

      • sloopyinca

        They should replace the star with a picture of hotdish, change the two blues to shades of gray, and send it proudly up the flagpole.

      • Not Adahn

        “Gris, ten thousand lakes propre.”

        “Checky of a hundred-hundred, Azure and argent”

      • Certified Public Asshat

        It is offensive for a Native American to be seen in any depiction. For representation purposes, they must be erased.

      • juris imprudent

        What was done there was observed, and appreciated.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        but lakes

      • Not Adahn

        Butt lakes?

      • Not Adahn

        State legislatures have a long tradition of being stupid, lazy, and utterly unoriginal.

        *remembers elementary school with a reenactment of the OK founders literally cutting and pasting other states’ constitutions*

      • R C Dean

        That would have been back in the day when cutting and pasting actually involved scissors and glue.

      • Not Adahn

        The reenactment occurred back then too.

        Although I am NOT so old to have done integration by weight.*

        *supposedly you’d buy super-homogenous paper for your stripchart recorder/plotter, cut out your peaks and weigh them to determine the area under them.

      • rhywun

        This.

        I hate cartoony drawings on flags.

    • Not Adahn

      Whycome CNN is running a pic with scribbles on it?

    • Not Adahn

      Also, is this the final-final version? ‘Cause this is at least the third “final” design I’ve seen.

      • Rat on a train

        It is the version sent to the legislature for approval.

      • robc

        The white/green/blue stripe on the right version was much better.

      • rhywun

        That is the version I saw and someone claimed it looked a little bit too much like one of the Somalian flags.

      • Pope Jimbo

        My guess is that they were going with the striped one, but when it was pointed out how close it was to the Somali flags, they panicked and went to this new Final Final Design.

      • R C Dean

        Yup, that’s my guess as well.

        “Just ditch the green stripe. I never liked it anyway.”

      • Not Adahn

        That’s a stretch. It would be a better fit to claim that TX flies the flag of Chile. After all, TX loves them some chiles.

      • WTF

        Not really a huge stretch if you read the article. I certainly doubt it’s just coincidence.

      • Not Adahn

        Except…

        1. The tricolor is gone.
        2. Tricolors are so stupidly common that there are approximately eleventybillion of them, including some that are in fact direct copies of others. Like Romania’s is a metal swap with France.

      • UnCivilServant

        Tricolors all look alike and are useless for identification.

        entities with tricolors should get real flags.

      • WTF

        So you think it’s just a coincidence that it seems patterned after Somali flags?
        Sure, okay.

      • Rat on a train

        How about vertical flip of Monaco and Poland or the horizontal flip of Ireland and Ivory Coast?

      • sloopyinca

        You’ve got that reversed. Chile independence was recognized seven years after Texas attained theirs. Those guys are copying us.

      • R C Dean

        “Mogadishu on the Mississippi”

      • Bobarian LMD

        Mogadishu/St Paul.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        That article is about a different flag design. They did not choose that one for the final design.

    • The Last American Hero

      Who the hell signed off on a white star? White is the color of the colonist, the slaveholder, and the oppressor.

      • AlexinCT

        The immigrants to Minnesoda are telling the rest of the tools there what is coming.

      • Rat on a train

        It should be a mosquito.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        A snowflake would have made sense, but then “lol, snowflakes.”

      • Pope Jimbo

        That isn’t any white star. It is L’Étoile du Nord, the Star of the North.

        (We are the only state with a French motto, suck on that Suthen!)

      • juris imprudent

        I suppose that was the only way to keep the Swedish and Norwegian descendants from civil war there.

      • The Last American Hero

        Oh, so the whitest of white peoples.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Absolutely, I like the new Central African Republic flag much better.

    • pistoffnick

      Its a perfectly cromulent flag

      eye of the beholder and all that

      I could care less about a fucking state flag, but I hate the reasons for changing it and all the money spent. Apparently Minnesoda has all other problems resolved such that we can waste money on stupid shit like flags.

      • Pope Jimbo

        And a new state seal. Why does no one talk about the State Seal?

        Seriously, you guys are just making fun of it now, but it has been a year of almost daily stories about this idiotic endeavor. I’m with Nick on rolling my eyes at all the money and effort spent on this.

      • rhywun

        I like it.

        Not a fan of cartoony as I mentioned above.

      • AlexinCT

        Panem et circenses…

        Most politics today is shit like this – woke crap that appeals to emotion – to distract and entertain the rubes while the most inept and corrupt political and bureaucratic class of idiots rob the sinking ship of all valuables not bolted down.

      • juris imprudent

        Which makes you wonder – how did this flag escape having the rainbow panoply on it?

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        Why would they desecrate their dear symbol by attaching it to an oppressive, colonizing institution?

      • Bobarian LMD

        For the LOLZ?

      • Rat on a train

        It needs lasers shooting out of its eyes at fish.

      • Swiss Servator

        Now that would be a proper seal!

      • Rat on a train

        They didn’t accept my input for either redesign. Maybe I was too late in the process. I’m starting my campaign for more nudity on the Virginia flag ASAP.

      • Not Adahn

        I can only assume that’s wild rice?

    • DrOtto

      They should keep the design but do a horizontal color split on the light blue portion and make it white and traffic cone orange to represent Minnesota’s 2 seasons.

      • Not Adahn

        That would also protect it during hunting season!

    • Zwak says the real is not governable, but self-governing.

      That flag looks like a butt hole of a man squatting.

  2. Not Adahn

    Four if these people hate due process

    Le due process, ce sont nous.

    • AlexinCT

      C’est tous jour la meme merde.

  3. AlexinCT

    WOW! How does a small company lose that much money in such a short time? And who was dumb enough to give them that much to begin with?

    Government, and governments pissing away tax payer lucre are your two answers.

  4. Drake

    Colorado teen – is ISIS even in Afghanistan? And isn’t the Taliban the recognized government of Afghanistan? It’s unclear what the FBI was trying to bait the kid into but it really was extra retarded. Just give him a ticket back to Afghanistan in exchange for his U.S. passport if that’s what he really wants (when he turns 18).

    • RBS

      Probably just another poor autistic kid looking for some friends.

      • WTF

        I’m so old I remember when entrapment wasn’t allowed.

      • juris imprudent

        Acting on a tip from a social media company

        Gee, it would be interesting to know which company that might be – perhaps one that claims to not be evil?

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      They were at one point during the conflict until the Taliban got fed up and gave them all dirt naps.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Minnesoda caught an entire baseball team trying to go help ISIS.

      A Minnesota man described as a leader of a group of nine who plotted to travel to Syria to fight for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, was sentenced to 35 years in prison Wednesday by a federal judge who said he didn’t believe the man’s tearful apologies and words of contrition.

      Guled Omar, 22, drew the longest sentence of the nine defendants who appeared before U.S. District Judge Michael Davis this week. However, the 35-year sentence was less than the 40 years prosecutors sought.

      I’m not sure, I wouldn’t have let them go join ISIS. I would have revoked any citizenship they might have had here though. And made sure they could not re-enter the US.

      I’d much rather we go with a volunteer Lincoln Brigade model than having us send our own military instead. You want to go fight for Gaza (either side) step right up. But it is a one way ticket.

      • Bobarian LMD

        35 years for plotting to travel?

        Sounds about as fair as most of the other shit in today’s links.

    • Not Adahn

      Between Jon McAfee and Elian Gonzalez, everyone should have a fortified room in their home.

  5. R C Dean

    “How does a small company lose that much money in such a short time?”

    “spent the last few years gobbling up other health tech companies”

    And there you have it.

    • sloopyinca

      Were the companies they bought not making any money? That’s what I don’t get.

      If you’re trying g to get your tech off the ground, then buy a company that will generate positive cash flow while you’re doing your R&D. Or simply use your seed money to develop it. But don’t go buy a bunch of companies that aren’t doing something profitable. That’s fucking dumb.

      • R C Dean

        Probably not. Smaller health tech companies are mostly still in the “development” phase, meaning they are burning cash. I know because I work for one now.

      • R C Dean

        Part-time in-house counsel for a company with some pretty slick diagnostic lab gizmos. Unfortunately, what they really need (FDA and SEC expertise), I don’t got so they still go outside for that. Corporate governance and contracting work, mostly. And a little leg-breaking for A/R from time to time.

        The risk capital markets are just brutal right now. We need a fair amount to bring our (future) flagship gizmo to market (thank you, FDA*), so getting that cash to burn is very difficult.

        * AND BY THANK, MEAN . . . .

      • grrizzly

        510 (k) isn’t cheap.

      • slumbrew

        Part-time in-house counsel for a company with some pretty slick diagnostic lab gizmos

        I didn’t think Theranos was still around.

  6. Ownbestenemy

    Gomberg said people staying there told her mold is visible in the shelter, and lack of insulation makes the repurposed warehouse very cold. One of the photos shows a toddler wearing a snow suit and winter hat indoors.

    I assume there are photos of this mold? I mean, you got photos of a kin in *gasp* winter clothes. Surely some intrepid newsbeing would want this hard hitting evidence to come to light.

    Four more people living in the same shelter — a 1-year-old girl, a 4-year-old girl, an 8-year-old girl, and an 18-year-old woman — were hospitalized with fevers this week

    No way! Fever…in winter even. Un-fucking-heard-of. Also surprised it was an 18-year old woman and not 4 children stricken with fever!

    • Drake

      Know where it isn’t so cold?

      • pistoffnick

        Hell?

      • Rat on a train

        Al Gore’s pool?

      • Pope Jimbo

        Epstein Island?

      • Drake

        And kids are always welcome!

      • Rat on a train

        They fly free.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Only because they sit on the lap of a paying customer.

  7. Sensei

    Pilot and news photographer are killed in ABC Action News helicopter that crashed in wooded area of New Jersey on its way back from assignment

    This is local to where I grew up. None of the news here has decided to explain what critical news “assignment” they were working on. “Chopper 6” was the first Philly station that finally got the “chopper” that other news stations could only aspire to have.

  8. juris imprudent

    And who was dumb enough to give them that much to begin with?

    You might ask the same question about the people who gave Adam Neumann funding, twice.

  9. Rat on a train

    In lighter news, a local won The Voice. Go Spotsyltucky!

  10. Drake

    So it begins in Colorado. The uniparty’s desperate effort to keep Trump off the ballot isn’t going to stop. 2024 looking like the year of national divorce.
    https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=31306#comments

    “Not only do the Democrats play fast and loose with election laws, but the Republicans coordinate with them to rig their own nominating process. The last holdouts of old America will suddenly have to accept that old America is gone, and divorce is inevitable.”

    • Not Adahn

      The government choosing who the plebs are allowed to vote for has a long and storied history! Whycome kkkonservatives hate history?

      • AlexinCT

        Isn’t this why them favoring Trump in 2016 thinking this would allow them to fortify the election for that cunte Hillary backfiring on them how things started to unwind?

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      They jumped the gun and did it too early and the decision was too stupid. In a sense we owe them a debt of gratitude.

      • Not Adahn

        Maybe that was the idea? To do something performative that wouldn’t have any actual effect?

      • Ownbestenemy

        Wasn’t it Trump’s team that pushed the appeal on the grounds of the whole ‘he committed insurrection’? Or was that a separate case in Colorado? Either outcome is good for Trump’s campaign and this ruling just gives him more speech material on exactly what you said, no actual effect other than perpetual lawfare until November.

      • Urthona

        Might be. They need to Trump to win the nomination for the best chance at winning the presidency.

      • AlexinCT

        I see the same bench of idiots that made this ruling stayed there ruling to prevent Trump from taking it to the SCOTUS and getting a ruling to stop this shit dead in its tracks…

        They know what they are doing is banana republic bullshit and they don’t care that the plebes that are not brainwashed see it for what it is.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        I doubt that little bit of trickery will stop the SC from taking it up but we’ll see.

      • prolefeed

        You’re assuming that the SCOTUS court that didn’t slap down an state AR-15 ban, will slap down this banana republic ruling.

        I am not so confident. I’m guessing at least 3 SCOTUS judges will cheerlead this awful attempt at election interference to “save democrats”. Or “democracy”.

      • Not Adahn

        Eh, that “ruling” was overstated by panicmongering clickfarmers on my side of the issue. The declined to issue an emergency injunction, that’s all.

      • RBS

        “panicmongering clickfarmers”

        Ah, the internet in 2023.

      • juris imprudent

        You know we’ll end up looking back fondly on ’23 in a few years.

      • Swiss Servator

        Ah, the internet in 2023 the foreseeable future.

        Fixed that for ya!

    • The Other Kevin

      They just keep opening those cans of worms don’t they? I’m sure if you squint hard enough you can find something Biden has done that can disqualify him. Taking bribes from foreign countries, not enforcing the border, attacking the 1st amendment… If this sticks I guarantee you some red states will try to do the same to Biden.

      • juris imprudent

        THERE’S NO EVIDENCE BIDEN DID ANYTHING BAD, AND STOP TELLING ME TO OPEN MY EYES TO SEE.

    • Gustave Lytton

      old America is gone, and divorce is inevitable

      If old America is gone, WTF makes anyone think divorce is even an option?

  11. Stinky Wizzleteats

    “And I’m not sure I’d call these people retarded.”
    I don’t know Sloop, I think you might be selling them short.

    • R C Dean

      “High-functioning retards”, perhaps?

    • sloopyinca

      They’re intelligent evil people.

      I’d take a tard over them any day of the week.

      • AlexinCT

        They are definitely evil. I don’t know if I would call them intelligent as much as that they cunning and ruthless when it comes to getting and keeping power.

  12. Not Adahn

    Followup from yesterdays’ Fillopic rant:

    Maese-Czeropski’s Instagram page was “something of an open secret” within Senator Cardin’s office, the source affirmed, adding that it was “generally known” that some of Maese-Czeropski’s posts connected him to his Senate job. One month before his promotion, Maese-Czeropski posted that he was “waiting for Lindsey Graham in the work showers,”

    https://thedesk.net/2023/12/aidan-maese-czeropski-cardin-chris-lynch-promotion/

    • RBS

      ““While some of my actions in the past have shown poor judgement, I love my job and would never disrespect my workplace,” Maese-Czeropski wrote. “Any attempts to characterize my actions otherwise are fabricated.”

      LOL

      • R C Dean

        Now I’m wondering what he would consider “disrespecting his workplace”, if taking it up the pooper on camera doesn’t count.

        Alright, maybe don’t answer that.

      • AlexinCT

        Disrespecting his/their workplace would be anyone showing up to do the will of the people that elected them instead of that of the deep state and the corruptocracy running things.

      • DrOtto

        That’s us, the taxpayers job.

      • juris imprudent

        “In this room, I took one for the entire country.”

      • Bobarian LMD

        Maybe he considers his pooper to be his workplace?

      • Ted S.

        Sugar Free is coming up in 15 minutes.

    • R C Dean

      If I was her, I’d be worried about surviving until the election. I really have no doubt that the power brokers are willing to dispose of people who pose a risk to them.

      She’s probably reasonably safe unless they can’t get Trump out of the base. I don’t think the UniParty has any problem with the rest of the GOP field except Ramaswamy, and he’s not winning the nom.

      • R C Dean

        Base, race, whatever.

    • R C Dean

      There’s that quality that union work is famous for. You just don’t get that kind of quality from non-union factories.

    • R.J.

      Ugh. Hopefully Autopian will report it shortly so it will be out from behind a paywall.

    • Drake

      I worked summers in a GM factory in the mid-80s. At one point I went to the Line Foreman and told him the new batch of heat shields I was installing behind the dashboard were not good. He shrugged and said “just put them in”. Nice to see that dedication to quality continues.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Flint’s technically a rock innit?

    • juris imprudent

      Design flaw or did management approve a cut-rate input substitution?

      • Drake

        Or lacidasical quality control of parts from a vendor.

    • AlexinCT

      He should have told them the parrot was driving.

    • sloopyinca

      According to WCSO, as the deputy began speaking to Bowers, he saw several weapons near Bowers and asked him to exit the vehicle.
      And
      He has been charged with two counts of possession of a controlled substance, two counts of battery on a law enforcement officer, resisting an officer with violence, possession of drug paraphernalia and trespassing.

      So they saw weapons, which precipitated the interaction. But they didn’t charge his with the weapons possession while under the influence? Sounds a bit sketchy.

    • WTF

      Before I clicked through I was expecting Florida Man.

      • juris imprudent

        He was only about one county removed from Florida – so obvious spillover effect.

      • Swiss Servator

        My God, it is spreading!

    • The Other Kevin

      Did they actually see the parrot, or was he the only one who could see it?

    • Fourscore

      Thanks Jimbo. Always good to see something positive in this world of bleakness that we live in.

  13. cyto

    Once again we have a vulnerable target goaded into a maybe crime by the f. B. I.

    I cannot understand how the left has suddenly become sanguine. With this stuff. Everything they are doing is worse than the most outrageous acts. I could have imagined even a decade ago.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      If you want to make a right wing domestic terrorist omelet you have to occasionally break a few Muslim eggs.

    • Ownbestenemy

      “It hurts people I don’t like.” – Swiss Servator

    • DrOtto

      We have a neighbor whose kid is currently in federal prison on exactly these charges from exactly these circumstances. I’m sure he’s going to come out loving this country more for their ‘intervention’. It’s almost like they’re trying to stir shit up with this stuff.

      • WTF

        Almost?

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  15. DrOtto

    I think the accuracy of the MN flag is uncanny. It depicts the state as a deep blue voting pocket with neighbor WI directly to the East as a light blue voting pocket.

    • prolefeed

      And shows the Twin Cities as being the only part of the state worth noting.

    • WTF

      It’s not like their rulings have any basis in the law or constitution anyway.

      • AlexinCT

        It’s about power. For them. To be wielded against their enemies.

      • juris imprudent

        Funny how no one is noting this was a closely-split, 4-3 decision. You know, like every time conservatives win.

      • Zwak says the real is not governable, but self-governing.

        So, are you saying they deliberated? They carefully weighed the possibilities and ramifications of the law?

      • juris imprudent

        Yeah, you aren’t hearing anything about the dissents, are you?

    • R C Dean

      I do like Ramaswamy’s announcement that he will take his name off the CO ballot if Trump is barred, and saying any Repub who doesn’t do so is complicit.

      • AlexinCT

        At a minimum it will show us all which one of these fucks is either owned by the deep state or doing what they are doing only for their own ambitions.

      • Urthona

        He should do the same for all the other states.

      • kinnath

        I hadn’t heard that. But I like it.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Minnesoda’s Supreme Court ruled that primary elections were entirely up to the party and refused to strike Trump from the primary ballot. But…..

      They let it be known that if Trump won the primary, they’d be open to listening to arguments about keeping him off the general election ballot.

      • Urthona

        That seems bit smarter there. You don’t want Desantis winning the nomination or something. Best to remove him after the primaries.

      • The Other Kevin

        That does seem at least a little bit legitimate. Look at the Dems and their “brokered conventions”. Does that mean state supreme courts can dictate how the Dems run their primaries too?

      • Zwak says the real is not governable, but self-governing.

        Fuck, look at the Dems and their rampant cheating in their own primaries.

  16. tripacer

    I wonder how long the picture of a slaveowner on WA’s flag will last. Or the name of the state for that matter.

    • Plinker762

      Well, we are devolving into a slave state.

    • The Last American Hero

      Don’t forget that Chief Seattle had war slaves.

  17. kinnath

    So Colorado determines the Trump participated in or solicited others to participate in an insurrection.

    To put Trump back on the ballot, SCOTUS now has to rule either 1) insurrection or not, the 14th doesn’t apply to Trump or 2) Jan 6 wasn’t an insurrection which would directly affect every person charged with crimes from the events of Jan 6.

    Am I missing something?

    • Urthona

      Jan 6th has already been determined not to be an insurrection so there’s not much going out in a limb there. Not a single person was ever convicted or indicted for insurrection.

      • Not Adahn

        The Bipartizan J6 Committe reviewed all of the evidence (including that secret evidence that is so top-secret that you’re not allowed to know what it is) and determined unanimously and bipartizanly that Trump insurrectioned. They proved this so absolutely that they even submitted an indictment about it! How can you disregard such scientifically-proven trvth?

      • Urthona

        Oh yes. How could I overlook that? Haha.

      • Not Adahn

        Good thing the CO Supreme Court didn’t!

      • cyto

        The CO Supreme Court referenced this.

        The lower court used the Jan 6 report as their proof. A higher court ruled that they erred in doing so.

        The Supreme Court ruled that they did not err, and that the Jan 6 report was all the proof anyone needed.

        No, really.

        You should read the ruling. It literally reads like a jezebel editorial.

        They even take the time to pat themselves on the back for taking on this tough case and following the law, without favor. They didn’t want to, but the law is clear, they say.

        So, despite the 14th insurrection clause having no mechanism and specifically avoiding naming the president and vice president and rather obviously only applying to the civil war, they ruled that it is self-implementing and applies to political party state level primary ballots (which didn’t exist at the time)

        The whole thing is written like a Disney “message” script.

      • Urthona

        Well now I don’t need to read it because you summarized it pretty well.

      • cyto

        It is like 250 pages or something. I read the summary at the top. Well, more skimmed than read.

        It was enough to get the flavor.

        The gaslighting was impressive.

      • juris imprudent

        The dissents were brutal.

      • Ownbestenemy

        As I have heard around the interwebz…steamy pile of horseshit with only one purpose, provide headlines to the talking heads and possibly hope they can get one person that might be a Trump supporter to act out.

        “We make this order but stay it and will stay it indefinitely if appealed to SCOTUS” is not a ruling.

        *I will give CNN credit, they did mention this part in the third paragraph and not somewhere as an afterthought in the article I read.*

      • cyto

        I agree. They clearly knew the entire thing was a fanfic level fantasy. They didn’t even list the author – and they tell you right in the intro that this us totally what they always do when they have an expedited ruling

        I half expect that the screenwriters for She Hulk wrote it.

      • R C Dean

        There is also the minor issue of the 14th amendment only saying that somebody who committed insurrection can’t hold office. It says nothing about running for office.

      • juris imprudent

        Rhodes and Tarrio were convicted of seditious conspiracy. The cooperating witness is getting 3 years versus 20. Savor that the white guy got better treatment than the guy with darker skin.

      • Zwak says the real is not governable, but self-governing.

        The party of slave owners has reverted to the mean.

    • R C Dean

      I think the obvious grounds for overturning this is that you can’t impose penalties for violating a federal law on somebody who hasn’t actually been convicted of violating that law. And, of course, that state courts can’t just deem somebody as being guilty of violating a federal law, no matter how much MSNBC the judges watch.

      • kinnath

        thanks

      • cyto

        Better than that… it clearly missapplies the law…

        It does not clearly apply to the president. It clearly contemplates the Civil War as its precedent, not arguing over vote rigging. The court in Colorado does not seem to have subject matter jurisdiction over federal determinations of criminal activity. The 14th does not apply to political parties holding primaries….

        The areas of “error” would seem to be vast. One might even say “all”.

      • juris imprudent

        Oh you mean like the dissents point out?

      • R C Dean

        Why give it the benefit of even treating it that seriously? You don’t need to parse anything to throw this out on its ass and piss on it while it lies moaning in the gutter.

    • creech

      Winning a primary doesn’t mean you are an official subject to 24th amendment.

      • creech

        14th.

    • sloopyinca

      Or they could rule that the supremacy clause prevents Colorado from making that determination and ignore the overriding question.

      • Urthona

        ohhh. I like the cut of your glib.

    • prolefeed

      You left out 3), even if it was ruled an insurrection, they’d have to apply due process and get Trump convicted of participating, despite not even being at that almost entirely peaceful unarmed protest, that bore a striking semblance to a peaceful assembly for redress of grievances.

      • juris imprudent

        It was not a mostly-peaceful protest – there was no arson.

    • R C Dean

      On a slightly different angle:

      Are Supreme Court judges subject to voter recalls in CO?

      • UnCivilServant

        Any judge can be recalled via the method used on Scalia.

  18. PieInTheSky

    Not all state flags can be cool like Maryland

    • AlexinCT

      They need a congressional flag… Maybe one with a centerpiece using that couple buttfucking in the chambers as the symbol of what they are doing to the tax payers and citizens.

      • Grummun

        “So we built this wall… and we paid for it… to keep out the free folk… and their redheads?”

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Too crass, how about a representation of a powerful train going into a dark and dank and likely disease-ridden tunnel. It could be light rail, they love that shit.

      • sloopyinca

        Why would you use an image of consensual sex to denote the forcible sodomy being committed on the American taxpayer?

      • trshmnstr the terrible

        Japanese rising sun flag, but you replace the sun with a brown star.

      • sloopyinca

        A better representation would be Jodie Foster bent over a pinball machine.

      • AlexinCT

        So I guess someone that doesn’t want it up the back door should be dragged into congress, forcibly sodomized, and pictures of the used… I was just trying to repurpose existing material to save costs.

      • Not Adahn

        Save costs? The US Governement?

    • PieInTheSky

      the new Minnesota I assume would make it to D or even C tier. whenever I mistype that state name all the spell check suggests is minestrone

      • AlexinCT

        Our Minnesoda residences told me to spell it the way i did here…

      • Pope Jimbo

        If you polled 1000 Minnesodans about how to pronounce the name of our state, you would never hear a hard ‘t’ sound ever.

        I was requesting leave and the guy filling out the request asked where I’d be going. I said Minnesoda and he asked if there was 1 d or 2 d’s in that. I laughed and said it was a t. When I told my buddies how dumb that guy was, they all laughed and said that he was just going by how I pronounced it.

        That made me realize that no one here ever uses the ‘t’ in the name. That and the inability to figure out the difference between loan and borrow are how you can spot real Minnesodans.

      • Bobarian LMD

        North Iowa.

    • sloopyinca

      You mean the only flag that induces seizures to people with epilepsy?

      That one?

      • PieInTheSky

        one of 4 state flags ion S tear in the definitive youtube clip on the topic.

    • Rat on a train

      Virginia’s flag needs more nudity.

  19. PieInTheSky

    I think the news is depressing me lately. The world is in a race to the bottom.

    • Urthona

      But is it an attractive bottom?

      • Not Adahn

        +1 ass-slapping gif

      • Ownbestenemy

        Its been a minute hasn’t it…

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Only if you’re an arms dealer.

    • trshmnstr the terrible

      Take a break from it. Ignorance truly is bliss.

      There is literally no benefit to your life in being wrapped up in the day to day news. Keep it in your peripheral vision and go enjoy life.

    • Not Adahn

      Borrow a friend’s dog.

    • Pope Jimbo

      One of the reasons I like doing the Daily Ray of Sunshine is because I get cheered up just looking for stories like that. Makes me remember most people are good.

  20. PieInTheSky

    YouGov
    @YouGov
    “Father Christmas” is being replaced in British English by “Santa Claus”. % who use [x] more…

    All
    Father Xmas: 43% (-8 from 2017)
    Santa: 45% (+9)

    18-24 yr olds
    Father Xmas: 21% (-12)
    Santa: 62% (+12)

    65+ yr olds
    Father Xmas: 60% (-6)
    Santa: 25% (+7)

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1737147444423508187

    • Urthona

      Fuck yeah. American Cultural Imperialism.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Didn’t our Santa come from the Dutch?

      • kinnath

        and they call him Sandy Claws

      • AlexinCT

        Sinter Klaas…

        Pie ask your buddy from Dutchland.

      • Urthona

        Without any research, I can confirm that Santa is only a red-blooded American. Does Santa slide down windmills and put toys in wooden shoes? Nope.

      • juris imprudent

        You know Santa is American because the popular image was commissioned by Coca-Cola. You can’t get more American than that!

    • Not Adahn

      Whycome yougov concerning itself with limeys?

    • creech

      “Father” is patriarchal. “Santa Claus” can be any gender or all genders. More and more Brits are afraid of being arrested for mis-gendering, so trend to Santa is no surprise

      • Rat on a train

        But Santa has religious origins so it is Christian Nationalist!

      • Urthona

        But what about Mrs Claus? Can she too be any gender?

  21. PieInTheSky

    FYI, today’s sharp fall means that UK CPI #inflation continues to track the equivalent US rate closely – with a 6 month lag – and remains on course to hit the 2% target in the first half of next year.

    https://twitter.com/julianHjessop/status/1737378397058392547

    • R C Dean

      I’m unclear how they can (a) lag US inflation rates by 6 months and (b) hit 2% inflation the first half of next year, when (c) the US hasn’t hit 2% inflation yet.

      • Not Adahn

        They’ve been given a preview of the new calculation methods.

  22. Pope Jimbo

    We need a return to honest government.

    The O’Connor layover agreement was instituted by John O’Connor shortly after his promotion from St. Paul detective to chief of police on June 11, 1900. It allowed criminals to stay in the city under three conditions: that they checked in with police upon their arrival; agreed to pay bribes to city officials; and committed no major crimes in the city of St. Paul. This arrangement lasted for almost forty years, ending when rampant corruption forced crusading local citizens and the federal government to step in.

    The layover agreement remained in force for so long because each side benefited financially. As long as criminals stayed in the city, bribes flowed toward corrupt officials and the system remained intact. It was so lucrative that criminals policed their colleagues to ensure that no one ruined a good thing. If anyone broke O’Connor’s rules, the “heat” would be too hot to overcome, and the financial windfall would quickly come to an end.

    • AlexinCT

      Was there ever honest government?

      • UnCivilServant

        The Khans were fairly honest in their intent and what you’d get if you didn’t fall in line.

      • Bobarian LMD
      • PieInTheSky

        ain’t gonna be honest but the smaller it is the less damage

  23. Grummun

    The wife and I started watching “WWII – From the Frontlines” (or something like that) a multi-episode documentary on Netflix. It’s not bad, they are using original footage that has been restored and colorized, but in some cases you ask yourself “who had a camera there?” I kind of wonder if some of it is “we have footage that looks like it could have been this significant event we are describing.”

    Anyway, the one glaring omission I have noticed is that there is no mention that Germany and the USSR were allies up through mid-1941, and that they split Poland between them. It talks about the German invasion of Poland, the subsequent entry of France and Britain into the war, how Poland folded quickly, then moves on to the invasion of Belgium and France. It presents Stalin as an obstacle to Hitler’s “plan to take over the world”, and talks about Germany invading the USSR after France collapsed.

    I can’t decide if the German – Soviet alliance is left out to streamline a narrative that they have a limited amount to time to present, or if they are willfully whitewashing Stalin’s and the Soviet’s role in starting the war, like communist image rehabilitation. Being Netflix, I rather suspect the latter.

    • Drake

      A war between fascism and communism doesn’t make for a nice “good vs. evil” storyline.

      • juris imprudent

        Oh that storyline would play, the problem is Stalin didn’t want to be the “good” guy.

      • Drake

        Also raises some unpleasant stuff – like the Brits were required by treaty to declare war on the USSR. Also might raise some questions about how hard the allies screwed the Finns.

      • juris imprudent

        The USSR didn’t ally with Germany – just agreed to non-aggression. Which fucked the actual ally of Germany on the Asian end of the war. The Soviets were able to keep enough forces in Siberia to keep Japan from attacking.

        The Japanese would return the favor by withholding their own declaration of war on the USSR in response to Operation Barbarossa so the Soviets could move assets west. This then makes the German declaration of war on the U.S. (after Pearl Harbor) all the more difficult to understand. The Nazis and the Japs never played well together for being allies. But that kind of ambiguity and nuance isn’t dramatic enough for simpleton narratives.

    • WTF

      Being Netflix, I rather suspect the latter.

      I got the same impression, especially seeing as how they ignored the brutalities and crimes of the Red Army and basically portrayed them as heroic allies. They also falsely asserted that Japan was never given a chance to surrender before Hiroshima while implying that they were seeking to do so, and the atom bombs were just dropped on them anyway.

    • Rat on a train

      The Soviets invaded Poland, the Baltic states, and Finland to defend democracy.

      • Grummun

        I’ve got a book that is a series of interviews with German soldiers that were serving on D-Day. The quote that sticks with me is (paraphrasing) “we were saving Europe from the Russian’s international socialism, which is bad, unlike our wholesome German nationalist socialism, which is good.”

      • Rat on a train

        – Needless to say, the Germans couldn’t give a damn about the Boers. The diamonds and gold of South Africa they’re after.
        – They lack our altruism, sir.

      • juris imprudent

        I also recall reading the Germans were quite willing to surrender on the western front, not so much in the east.

      • R C Dean

        The Nazi-Soviet war was one of pure, unhinged hatred on both sides. German officers who served on both fronts remarked on the difference.

        Of course, the Soviet progress through Germany was arguably the biggest war crime ever committed. It’s certainly in the top three.

  24. Pope Jimbo

    Look who is a lurker here! Too bad he doesn’t realize the orphan bit is just a gag.

    • UnCivilServant

      the orphan bit is just a gag.

      Wait… what?

      Err… I mean… of course it is.

    • Rat on a train

      one of us

    • PieInTheSky

      Ah to be able to just make new orphans… must be nice.,

      • Not Adahn

        They have pills now that can help you with that.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Kim’s a lurker here? Sweet! Got any good kimchi recipes amigo?

    • cyto

      Someone studied the success of 80s exercise videos

    • cyto

      This flag sucks. Almost zero intersectionality

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Agreed, where’s the representation of the transsexuals, the otherkin, and the ever important MAPs?

      • juris imprudent

        That flag is going to fly on a flagpole, isn’t that enough?

    • kinnath

      Well, I like his flag better.

      • Not Adahn

        That labrador does not have a duck in its mouth. Disqualified.

      • PieInTheSky

        there are no ducks in Minnesota silly it is too cold

  25. The Late P Brooks

    The 13-year-old Invitae, which reported having 1,700 employees at the end of 2022, has spent the last few years gobbling up other health tech companies. It bought consumer-facing Ciitizen in 2021 for $325 million, but announced Wednesday that it’d now be spinning off the Palo Alto subsidiary.

    Like its stock price, which has dropped more than 98% in a three-year span reaching $0.67 at the end of trading Tuesday, the company’s most recent financial report had evidence of a major decline. Invitae pulled in less revenue from July to September than it did during the same period last year, and it reported a net loss of $1.3 billion from the start of the year to Sept. 30.

    “The actions announced today will assist in streamlining our operations and reducing our cash burn,” Invitae CEO Ken Knight wrote in a press release about the layoffs. “While these moves unfortunately involve a reduction in our workforce, we are committed to working closely with those impacted to ensure a smooth transition for them and for our customers and patients.”

    Another victim of Jerome Powell and the end of free money. They were just about to turn the corner to profitability.

  26. The Late P Brooks

    That flag needs more pink and purple.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      You had me at do not hold meetings.

      • Ownbestenemy

        I am okay with meetings but 10 minutes is my limit. If you can’t pass off the information you need to in 10 minutes, you don’t have a clear goal in mind.

      • UnCivilServant

        It’s not about You.

        Besides, you’re lucky if all the participants have bothered to show up within the first ten minutes.

        Besides, a lot of meetings I’m at these days are preventing future complaining by convincing other groups that they’ve had a say in the process when they’ve not changed the trajectory at all. The goal isn’t really in getting information across – they still haven’t absorbed it after multiple repetitions – it’s about making sure they don’t go “I didn’t agree to that” later on.

      • PieInTheSky

        I have had longer productive meetings when we tried to figure out a technical solution for something complex

      • R C Dean

        If you don’t need more than 10 minutes for a meeting, you don’t need a meeting at all. Send a fucking email (or even a text).

        Meetings aren’t for one-way transmission of information. They are for discussion, brainstorming, that kind of thing that requires more than one person to be engaged.

  27. PieInTheSky

    phillys black marxist ☭
    @Forever_noir_
    TLDR. If you are a a white person and researching leftism or a liberal who wants to know what we are talking about be prepared to feel uncomfortable. That discomfort is a good thing, that’s the mirror. You can either break it or use that mirror to groom yourself.

    https://twitter.com/Forever_noir_/status/1736817417123471515

    • one true athena

      “Gimme free shit” is shorter

    • rhywun

      Ugghhh commies are sooo tedious.

    • Bobarian LMD

      Sounds about right. It’s all about the grooming.

  28. The Late P Brooks

    Break time’s over

    A federal judge on Tuesday allowed the Arlington National Cemetery to remove a century-old Confederate memorial one day after blocking the removal over a report that gravesites were disturbed.

    At a hearing in federal court in Alexandria, Virginia, U.S. District Judge Rossie Alston said he issued the temporary injunction Monday after receiving an urgent phone call from the memorial’s supporters saying that gravesites adjacent to the memorial were being desecrated as contractors began work to remove the memorial.

    He said he toured the site before Tuesday’s hearing and saw the site being treated respectfully.

    “I saw no desecration of any graves,” Alston said. “The grass wasn’t even disturbed.”

    ——-

    Cemetery officials sought to have the injunction lifted quickly. They said they are required by law to complete the removal by the end of the year and that the contractors doing the work have only limited availability over the next week or so.

    In a statement Tuesday evening, the cemetery said it “will resume the deliberate process of removing the Confederate Memorial from Arlington National Cemetery immediately. While the work is performed, surrounding graves, headstones and the landscape will be carefully protected.”

    They should just use dynamite. Eradication of evil is not a dainty task.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Something that’s been there for 100+ years absolutely must be removed by the end of the week. Also FYTW.

  29. PieInTheSky

    Jeremy Kauffman 🦔
    @jeremykauffman
    The Constitution was a complete failure at protecting rights (“interstate commerce”, “necessary and proper”, etc).

    Pretty much all the Constitution worked for was a set of rules for conducting elections and transferring power. Now even that part is crumbling.

    https://twitter.com/jeremykauffman/status/1737465858186776658

    Iiii dunno could have been a lot worse for rights it may have done something

    • Rat on a train

      The Constitution can only protect what people are willing to protect.

      • The Last American Hero

        Bingo. The Soviet constitution was really strong on free speech. The Soviet government, not so much.

  30. PieInTheSky

    Most studies of the relationship between big 5 personality traits and political ideology examine the effects of broad or domain-level traits (e.g. ‘Conscientiousness’, ‘Agreeableness’). However, the results of such studies can be misleading insofar as groups may have different or opposite scores on facets within those domain-level traits. For example, if liberals score higher than conservatives on the ‘compassion’ facet of agreeableness, and conservatives higher than liberals on the ‘politeness’ facet, these differences are likely to offset, resulting in a domain-level correlation with ideology that is small or indistinguishable from zero.

    Given this issue, a relatively recent paper opted to examine the domain-level AND facet-level relationships with ideology. The chart below (you’ll probably have to zoom in) visualizes/summarizes the estimates of these relationships.

    https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1737227196341563577

    I am not sold on the big 5 stuff

    • Not Adahn

      They’re really just the four suits of the tarot with some padding added.

  31. The Late P Brooks

    Gone fishin’

    A federal judge ruled Tuesday that Rep. Scott Perry must disclose to federal prosecutors more than 1,600 emails, text messages and other communications related to the investigation into Donald Trump and his allies’ bid to subvert the 2020 election.

    Chief U.S. District Judge James Boasberg concluded that the vast majority of the messages Perry exchanged — some with other members of Congress, some with members of the Trump administration and some with allies outside of government — could not be shielded from prosecutors by Perry’s constitutional protections as a member of Congress.

    Rather, Boasberg concluded, the 1,659 exchanges had little to do with Perry’s job as a legislator and therefore were not subject to the Constitution’s “speech or debate” clause, which prohibits prosecutors and courts from prying into the official business of Congress.

    The records in question could help fill crucial gaps in special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation. An inadvertently disclosed court document obtained last month by POLITICO revealed key aspects of the messages Perry had sought to shield from Smith’s team, including exchanges with Trump’s alleged co-conspirators in the effort to disrupt the transfer of power. The messages showed Perry as a crucial go-between for Trump and his allies on key aspects of their effort in the final frantic weeks of Trump’s presidency.

    If you cast your net wide enough, you’re bound to catch something.

    The vendetta must continue.

    • Fatty Bolger

      Shameless. And he knows the MSM won’t call him out on it, it was practically ignored and mostly covered by international outlets when he made the same claim in September.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Guessing going to lean on ‘we didn’t abandoned, it was part of the deal Trump made’

  32. The Late P Brooks

    At long last, justice

    New York Gov. Kathy Hochul signed legislation Tuesday that establishes a commission to study racial justice and reparations.

    “This commission acknowledges the horrific injustice of slavery and will be tasked with examining the legacy of slavery, subsequent discrimination against people of African descent, and the impact these forces continue to have in the present day,” a news release from Hochul’s office said.

    The legislation creates a commission of nine members “who are especially qualified to serve by virtue of their expertise, education, training, or lived experience,” that will examine slavery “and its lingering negative effects on people currently living in the State of New York,” according to the governor.

    The commission is then to provide a list of recommendations on how to address any issues found, the release said.

    If we give you this money, will you shut the fuck up and go away?

    • kinnath

      a commission to study

      Money laundering.

      The commission will never issue a report.

      So, somehow we need to rejoice that corruption will prevent an actual disaster from happening.

      • Drake

        Or tribute – like paying Vikings to go away. Except they always come back for more.

      • rhywun

        Oh, there will be a report.

        It will consist of the word “gimme” and a numeral with a bunch of zeroes after it.

  33. The Late P Brooks

    New York City Mayor Eric Adams told reporters he feels reparations should be studied and the state cannot continue to “ignore the wrongs.”

    “We never really dealt with or reckoned with slavery, and there’s some institutions that wealth is directly connected to slavery. It’s not like it’s a mystery,” he said. “There are institutions that are in place right now that their foundation came from free slave labor, and so we have to reckon with that.”

    Sure, whatever you say.

  34. The Late P Brooks

    Californians so desperate, they have been reduced to drinking their own piss

    California regulators granted their unanimous support Tuesday for a long-awaited slate of rules that could flush future drinking water sources down toilets across the Golden State.

    The California State Water Resources Control Board voted to approve regulations that would streamline “direct potable reuse” (DPR) — a method by which purified wastewater is released right into a public water system or just upstream from a treatment plant.

    “If I had a balloon drop, you would see it dropping right now, and some confetti,” Joaquin Esquivel, chair of the State Board, said at the end of the Tuesday vote.

    Esquivel and his colleagues also directed staff members to report back in a year with updates about any evolving science and technologies that could impact the implementation of these rules.

    Although DPR earned the viral misnomer “toilet-to-tap” years ago, water used in the process won’t really be flowing directly from a toilet into a tap.

    Take that, science haters.

    • Urthona

      Much as I love to mock California, I actually have no problem believing that waste water can be made drinkable.

      It’s the cost benefit analysis I am skeptical of, but maybe it works out there. Water has always been one of the region’s bigger problems.

    • R C Dean

      Well, maybe not for some values of directly. But if the water never leaves the municipal system, then I think that counts as directly, myself.

    • slumbrew

      The same California that put the kibosh on a desalinization plant that’s been in planning for almost 20 years.

  35. Swiss Servator

    “We never really dealt with or reckoned with slavery, …”

    How many New York soldiers died in the Civil War?
    During the entire war, New York provided more than 370,000 soldiers to the Union armies. Of these, 834 officers were killed in action, as well as 12,142 enlisted men. Another 7,235 officers and men perished from their wounds, and 27,855 died from disease.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Doesn’t matter. The post Civil War north conspired with the unpunished south. All must be memory holed now. And since not enough/no atonement was made, it’s reparations for blacks out of current tax dollars*, particularly people like Obama or Harris who are descended from 1st generation immigrants and not American slaves.

      *when straight up tax theft isn’t enough, move on to property redistribution

  36. The Late P Brooks

    Experts anticipate that the California regulations will not only be the most rigorous but will also serve commercial-scale projects that are already in planning phases.

    California regulations, rigorous? G’wan you’re pullin’ me leg.

    • R C Dean

      The regulations will “serve” projects already being planned? Interesting choice of verb, there.

  37. Ownbestenemy

    I fully expect to hear Trump weave this tidbit from the dissents

    The decision to bar former President Donald J. Trump (“President Trump”)—by all accounts the current leading Republican presidential candidate (and reportedly the current leading overall presidential candidate

    Reading through those. So the courts violated a statutory timeline twice and the majority in their ruling just whistled right passed it.

    …to adjudicate a federal constitutional claim (a complicated one at that) masquerading as a run-of-the-mill state Election Code claim.

  38. The Late P Brooks

    Much as I love to mock California, I actually have no problem believing that waste water can be made drinkable.

    Water is water. You “just” have to take the pathogens out.

    Which leads me to wonder if it might be possible to piggyback water purification onto a nuclear power plant. That would get the ecofanatics’ panties in a bunch.

    • kinnath

      The best way to make water safe to drink is to turn it into beer.

      • UnCivilServant

        Does wonders on that dioxin concentration.

      • UnCivilServant

        (Yes, I know, Dioxins are not particularly water soluble. That’s part of the joke)

      • robc

        Dioxin isn’t a pathogen. Alcohol kills the pathogens in water, but it aint gonna help if what you are starting with isn’t really water.

      • kinnath

        Vinegar also kills pathogens. This is why the Romans mixed vinegar (with or without added sugar) and water.

      • robc

        This is the reason people drank alcohol for most of history. I mean, plus the other obvious benefit.

        But water wasn’t safe, booze was.

      • kinnath

        This is common point of discussion amongst historical brewers. In reality, water was safe to drink in some locations and not safe in others. It is true that populations centers tend to ruin their water supplies and that industrial level brewing solves that problem.

      • robc

        water was safe to drink in some locations and not safe in others

        But the beer/wine was going to be safe everywhere.

      • kinnath

        Correct.

        They drank beer, cider, wine mixed with water, and vinegar mixed with water.

      • kinnath

        And there are historical records of people just drinking water.

      • kinnath

        The winter break starts now. So, I won’t be able to follow this conversation any longer.

    • Bobarian LMD

      California Central Coast should be a string of Nuke Plants directly wired to a number of Desalination Plants. Would greatly improve central valley food output and remove major issues with housing restrictions.

  39. The Late P Brooks

    Water purification attached to a nuclear power plant could conceivably be effected either through irradiation (I have no idea if this is viable) or by high temperature.

    I wonder if anybody has looked into it.

  40. Gustave Lytton

    The MN state flag is simplistic and childish, so a perfect flag for current year societies where supposedly grown adults are unable to put aside childish things.

  41. The Late P Brooks

    The best way to make water safe to drink is to turn it into beer.

    I have no problem with that. Just lay off the hops.

    • robc

      Have you considered gruit?

      • Bobarian LMD

        I am gruit.

      • R.J.

        *golf clap