Economics Corner with Paul Krugman and Winston’s Mom

by | Jul 24, 2024 | Economy, Foreign Policy, Immigration, Markets | 148 comments

Sugarfree gives you so much but nobody thanks him when he decides he needs to refill his creative reservoir. Yes this is a roundabout way of saying he took the day to jack off.

From the good folks at archive dot org, who conveniently forgot I go to them because I don’t want to pay for shitty journalism. Donate $.64? Fuck you.

Obviously, the big political news of the past couple of days has come from the Democratic side. But before last week’s Republican National Convention fades from view, let me focus instead on a development on the G.O.P. side that may, given everything else that has been happening, have flown under the radar: MAGA rhetoric on immigration, which was already ugly, has become even uglier.

Until now, most of the anti-immigration sloganeering coming from Donald Trump and his campaign has involved false claims that we’re experiencing a migrant crime wave.

Its is a false claim, because they just stopped reporting crime statistics to the FBI, along with other bullshit to muddy the waters.

Increasingly, however, Trump and his associates have started making the case that immigrants are stealing American jobs — specifically, the accusation that immigrants are inflicting terrible damage on the livelihoods of Black workers.

Of course, the idea that immigrants are taking jobs away from native-born Americans, including native-born Black Americans, isn’t new. It has, in particular, been an obsession for JD Vance, complete with misleading statistical analysis, so Trump’s choice of Vance as his running mate in itself signals a new focus on the supposed economic harm inflicted by immigrants.

Just an FYI, that “misleading statistical analysis” link doesn’t go anywhere…

So, too, did Trump’s acceptance speech on Thursday, which contained a number of assertions about the economics of immigration, among them, the notion that of jobs created under President Biden, “107 percent of those jobs are taken by illegal aliens” — a weirdly specific number considering that it’s clearly false, because native-born employment has risen by millions of jobs since Biden took office.

What seems relatively new, however, is the attempt to pit immigrants against Black Americans. True, Trump prefigured this line of attack during his June debate with Biden, when he declared that immigrants are “taking Black jobs,” leading some to mockingly question which jobs, exactly, count as “Black.”

What binders exactly, did Mittens bind up all those women he wanted to hire? The colored workers actually guard and work in the hidden figurative vault, Mitt Romney hides his binders full of women.

…putz.

Fucking gay

But the volume on this claim has been turned way up.

At the Republican convention, former Trump adviser Peter Navarro, someone very likely to have a role in the next administration if Trump wins, spoke of “a whole army of illiterate illegal aliens stealing the jobs of Black, brown and blue-collar Americans.”

In an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek published last week, Trump went even bigger, declaring that “The Black people are going to be decimated by the millions of people that are coming into the country.” He continued, “Their wages have gone way down. Their jobs are being taken by the migrants coming in illegally into the country.” He went on to say, “The Black population in this country is going to die because of what’s happened, what’s going to happen to their jobs — their jobs, their housing, everything.”

Trump’s diatribe forced Bloomberg to add this, parenthetically, as a fact check: “According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the majority of employment gains since 2018 have been for naturalized U.S. citizens and legal residents — not migrants.”

There was a time when a rant like this would have signaled that a politician lacked the emotional stability and intellectual capacity to hold the highest office in the land. Alas.

Well they are certainly not taking jobs from white college professors scribbling bullshit for an overrated regional tabloid that for whatever reason the rest of the country is stuck with pretending is some sort of information authority. If there are a finite number of jobs, it stands to reason they will be competing with native born workers with the same economic status. Yes in this country, that means colored people.

Also, it’s hard to overstate the cynicism here. Trump has a history of associating with white supremacists, 

Oh, fuck off.

not to mention his longstanding obsession with crime in urban, often predominantly Black precincts. Still, he clearly perceives an opportunity to peel away some Black voters by playing them off against immigrants.

But again, even if we ignore the cynicism, this new line of attack on immigration is just wrong on the facts.

If immigrants are taking away all the “Black jobs,” you can’t see it in the data, which shows Black unemployment at historic lows. If Black wages have, as Trump claims, gone way down, someone should tell the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which says that median Black earnings, adjusted for inflation, are significantly higher than they were toward the end of Trump’s term. (You should ignore the spurious bump during the pandemic, which reflected composition effects rather than genuine wage gains.)

Oh sure, NOW you want us to account for the pandemic as a confounding variable.

There must be some reason black voters appear to be supporting Trump, it was only reported by the extreme right wing media outlets like: mainstream TV news, towelhead news, and the motherfucking NY Times. There couldn’t be any reason whatsoever colored people not are supporting team cunt at near unanimous levels anymore. If only 25% fall off the plantation, team cunt loses nearly everywhere.

If propaganda wasn’t needed, they wouldn’t be saying it.

You might ask why, given we have indeed seen a surge in immigration, that we aren’t seeing signs of an adverse, let alone cataclysmic, impact on Black wages or employment. After all, many recent immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants, lack college degrees and maybe even high school education. So aren’t they competing with native-born Americans who also lack college or high school degrees?

The answer, which we’ve known since the 1990s, is that immigrant workers bring a different set of skills to the table than native-born workers, even when those workers have similar levels of formal education. And yes, I mean skills: If you think of workers without a college degree as “unskilled,” try fixing your own plumbing or doing your own carpentry. It shouldn’t need to be said, but a lot of blue-collar work is highly skilled and highly specialized. As a result, immigrants tend to take a very different mix of jobs than native-born workers do — which means that there’s much less head-to-head competition between immigrant and native-born workers than you might think, or what Trump and Vance want you to think.

Jesus tap dancing Christ. Is he suggesting colored people have no skills to offer in this economy so importing immigrant workers isn’t an issue because they aren’t competing with unskilled colored people? THATS NOT RACIST AT ALL.

The bottom line is that the attempt to portray immigration as an apocalyptic threat to Black Americans is refuted by the facts. Will it nonetheless work politically? I have no idea.

Krugman is a fucking racist cunt.

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Winston's Mom

Winston's Mom

Biological mother of Winston.

148 Comments

  1. The Late P Brooks

    Sugarfree is in Joe’s rejuvenation pod?

    • Ownbestenemy

      Quite interesting that the last time we heard from SF was last Wednesday…like the president. Me thinks SF IS BIDEN and BIDEN IS SF.

      • Sean

        🤯

      • Ted S.

        Didn’t we get a Joemala episode on Monday?

      • Ownbestenemy

        Exactly when the president revealed himself to not be dead with that ‘phone call’.

      • Not Adahn

        SF (or at least the person claiming to be SF) has a completely different accent than Biden (or at least the person that the media claims is Biden).

      • bacon-magic

        SF doesn’t stutter Jack.

      • Spudalicious

        Listen, fat.

    • WTF

      Akshually, Joe has been periodically re-grown in an axolotl tank. Unfortunately his telomerase is no longer viable after so many re-growths so they had to shut it down.

  2. The Late P Brooks

    Trump is crazy to talk about immigrants and jobs, but “mainstream economists” are perfectly justified in saying any reduction in immigration will cause chaos in the job market and a hugely inflationary a spike in labor costs.

  3. juris imprudent

    Yes this is a roundabout way of saying he took the day to jack off.

    Hmm, I would’ve figured that refilling the reservoir meant he was locked in bondage of some type.

    • Nephilium

      Are you volunteering to check on SugarFree? That’s nice of you.

      • juris imprudent

        Nope, nope, nope. Pretty sure he paid extra for that, and his service provider will do so – eventually.

      • Winston's Mom

        We took good care of Sugarfree

    • Shpip

      Hmm, I would’ve figured that refilling the reservoir meant he was locked in bondage of some type.

      STEVE SMITH REFILL RESERVOIR OF WILFORD BRIMLEY ACOLYTE. BY REFILL RESERVOIR MEAN…

    • Spudalicious

      Yes, SugarFree has been bound, washed, and placed in an axolotl tank for rejuvenation. His level of depravity takes a toll.

  4. Urthona

    Honestly, the “economics” behind illegal immigration are pretty tangential to me, even though I think both sides lie their asses off about it.

    • UnCivilServant

      I don’t care about the economics, There are just some rules that need to be enforced.

      • Urthona

        ditto

    • WTF

      Well, the ones who are slurping up benefits at taxpayer expense sure as shit aren’t competing for jobs. What’s the economic impact of that, Krugnuts?

      • R C Dean

        Why, the multiplier effect of government benefits means the more illegals are on welfare, the better of we all are! Thanks for asking.

        Also, illegals are keeping inflation down by totally not flooding the un- and semi-skilled job market and depressing wages, nope, not at all. Which is why if we deport all of them, inflation will go up because there will be shortage of un- and semi-skilled workers, forcing wages up.

  5. juris imprudent

    I have no idea.

    The only honest thing Krugnuts has ever said.

  6. Urthona

    ditto

    • Tundra

      ditto?

      ditto.

      • slumbrew

        My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention!

      • Urthona

        dit

        to

    • Winston's Mom

      Enough if this shit, dildo.

      • Urthona

        Dildo

      • Winston's Mom

        Ditto

      • Aloysious

        Winston’s mom saying ‘enough’?

        That’s a First.

      • WTF

        She did say dildo.

      • Winston's Mom

        I’ll admit it. I just wanted to call him a dildo.

        Because he is,

    • rhywun

      inorite?

  7. The Late P Brooks

    As a result, immigrants tend to take a very different mix of jobs than native-born workers do — which means that there’s much less head-to-head competition between immigrant and native-born workers than you might think

    Everybody knows immigrants are exclusively agricultural stoop labor. No stereotyping there

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      Doing the jobs Americans won’t do!

      Left unsaid is the the second part: at the wages currently being offered due to the availability of a large pool of illegal immigrants.

      • Nephilium

        /looks around in IT

        Well… not always.

    • Drake

      Sure. 50 years ago nobody would pick up our garbage or deliver us milk.

      Wait, we had normal adult men doing those jobs and making enough to support a middle-class family.

      • DEG

        And the milk man was building families.

    • juris imprudent

      agricultural stoop labor

      Now you wait just a cotton-pickin’ minute.

    • Not Adahn

      I thought cities banned agriculture on your stoop.

    • Chipping Pioneer

      One of them became President!

  8. Sensei

    Pay no attention to this sleight of hand.

    Public sector jobs at the federal, state and local level rose by 194,000 during the first three months of 2024. That accounts for about one-quarter of all jobs created in January, February and March. By comparison, during that same time period in 2019 before the pandemic began, government hiring represented just 11% of all jobs created.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/government-hiring-spree-propping-up-us-job-market

    • Gustave Lytton

      Sometimes I wonder how much deadweight loss there is intergovernmental grants vs direct allocation. People to oversee the grants, people to apply for and utilize the grants, cycle time, etc etc

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        A shit ton.

        I now work with grants occasionally, some of them have 5x the number of applicants vs. Allocations… Someone writes and reads all those grants, then finally award them, administer, reporting…

        I think it’s easily 25% loss versus just appropriating things directly to projects.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Actual quote from a HQ VP for the FAA when I asked how the FAA is going to handle its skilled workforce if we privatize?

      “The government isn’t a jobs program”

      Well Mrs VP…it sure does look like its a jobs program.

  9. Gustave Lytton

    If you think of workers without a college degree as “unskilled,” try fixing your own plumbing or doing your own carpentry. It shouldn’t need to be said, but a lot of blue-collar work is highly skilled and highly specialized.

    Krugnuts progjecting his own opinions there. And nice way of conflating plumbing with carpentry. Illegals aren’t coming over the border with plumbing or electrical licenses. Let’s go to YouTube and look at the quality work of illegal alien work gangs. Mexico quality housing at US prices.

    • Urthona

      Dildo ditto

      • R.J.

        Disco dildo

      • Ownbestenemy

        Disco Dancing Dildos: The Ditto Years is my 2024 contender for band name and album title of the year.

      • R.J.

        The music videos will be epic!

  10. The Late P Brooks

    Heartless

    The political establishment’s failure to fix decades of crisis in Argentina explains the tide of popular rage that vaulted the irascible Javier Milei, a self-declared “anarcho-capitalist,” to the presidency.

    But it also explains the emergence of a unique society that runs on grit, ingenuity and opportunism — perhaps now more than ever as Argentina undergoes its worst economic crisis since its catastrophic foreign-debt default of 2001.

    “It’s the famous resilience of Argentines,” said Gustavo González, a sociologist at University of Buenos Aires. “It’s the result of more than three generations that have grappled with adverse circumstances, great uncertainty and abrupt changes.”

    The libertarian leader warned that things would get worse before they got better.

    To reverse the decades of reckless spending that brought Argentina infamy for defaulting on its debts, Milei scrapped hundreds of price controls. He slashed subsidies for electricity, fuel and transportation, causing prices to skyrocket in a country that already had one of the world’s highest inflation rates.

    Rome wasn’t burned in a day.

  11. The Other Kevin

    This is a nice little example of arguing in bad faith. He looks at this issue through a very narrow lens and picks apart the details. Are Trump’s numbers exactly accurate? Probably not. But this is not in dispute:
    – Millions of immigrants have poured over the border in the last 3 years.
    – Some of them are criminals, and have formed very successful crime rings. Some notable individuals have raped and murdered.
    – Governments in blue cities are giving these immigrants money, housing, and other resources that are being diverted from citizens.
    – Those millions are living somewhere and some of them are working. So to some degree, they are competing for housing and jobs.

    Trump isn’t creating a problem, he’s identifying one.

  12. The Late P Brooks

    Sometimes I wonder how much deadweight loss there is intergovernmental grants vs direct allocation. People to oversee the grants, people to apply for and utilize the grants, cycle time, etc etc

    Trickle down economics.

    • juris imprudent

      Yeah, the morons that argue about that as a capitalist thing never fail to notice that they argue for exactly the same thing with govt spending.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    Economists confounded

    There has been an unexpected jump in the number of people who mainly use notes and coins for their daily spending, despite the UK moving closer to becoming a cashless society, a report has found.

    The volume of contactless and mobile payments increased last year, while the number of cash payments resumed a downward trajectory after enjoying a brief comeback in 2022, the banking body UK Finance noted in its annual report on the UK payments market.

    However, there was a 66% increase in the number of people who prefer to use cash for their everyday spending.

    The estimated number of “mainly use cash” people has fallen every year for several years and stood at 900,000 in 2022, but it leapt to 1.5 million last year – the highest figure since before the coronavirus pandemic.

    UK Finance said the increase may reflect those people who have gone back to using cash to help manage their finances during the cost of living crisis.

    Last year there was a rise in interest in a budgeting trend called “cash stuffing” – or the cash envelope system – made popular on social media. This involves dividing cash into envelopes labelled into different categories such as groceries, bills, a rainy day and Christmas shopping. The idea is that it helps cash-strapped households keep track of their spending and saving.

    A UK Finance spokesperson said it would monitor the situation regarding people who mainly used cash to see if this was the start of a trend or merely a “statistical blip”.

    Why would they do that? How are we going to track control their spending?

    • DEG

      Last year there was a rise in interest in a budgeting trend called “cash stuffing” – or the cash envelope system – made popular on social media.

      Fucking kids today. There’s nothing new under the Sun.

      • Nephilium

        They could at least come up with their own slang:

        Inflight ‘raw dogging’: The bizarre new travel trend that’s creating a buzz

        He says that it can be difficult to get some men to embrace meditation, mindfulness, or anything else that could be considered “spiritual.” While he tells CNN he’s not familiar with the term “raw dogging” being used in this particular way, he can see why the eyebrow-raising moniker appeals to a certain kind of traveler.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        Men just staring off into space, thinking about nothing isn’t exactly new. It’s kind of our ur state.

        Also, not what raw dogging means, at all.

  14. JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

    As for the bit about crime, let’s assume the immigrants are no more or less inclined to commit crimes as anyone else. But who is coming over? It’s mostly young men, which is the demographic that is most likely to commit crime. Secondly, when they are in a new place unbound by the constraints of family and neighbors keeping an eye on them, combined with an ability to easily disappear and go someplace else in relative anonymity, some will be more likely to commit crimes. And C, if you buy the argument that people commit crime because they are poor, what do you think will happen when you import a bunch of poor people?

    • Drake

      Actually visiting the Third World dispels the idea that geography and colonialism make those places Third World. The people and society do.

      Importing large numbers of unassimilated third worlders just makes the cities where they settle into the third world. See large swaths of New York, Los Angeles, London, Paris, and Stockholm for reference.

      • juris imprudent

        American cities did actually assimilate immigrants at one time. European cities (and cultures in general) not so much.

      • DEG

        European cities (and cultures in general) not so much.

        Europe occasionally can.

        Germany imported lots of Turks in the 60s as guest workers. Those guest workers assimilated and gave Germany the gift of Doner Kebab.

        But those were different times.

      • juris imprudent

        The Turks were quite a problem in Germany, where they were supposed to be temporary labor like the old American Bracero program. Since being German has never been anything like being American, it just isn’t that simple.

      • rhywun

        When I lived in Germany in the 80s, the Turks were as fully integrated as similar counterparts in the US. But they had had decades of preparation from Atatürk’s promotion of secularism. More recent arrivals are much less interested in that.

        And yes, Europe in general is less concerned with assimilation than the US ever was. So you’ve got both factors working together to create “no-go areas”, child porn rings, and such.

    • UnCivilServant

      They’ve also already demonstrated a willingness to commit crimes by migrating illegally and dealing with people smugglers.

    • The Other Kevin

      Talking to our border patrol buddy, there’s item D) The people coming over the border are beholden to the cartels who got them here. Eventually the cartels will call in a favor, and you dare not refuse.

  15. The Late P Brooks

    “The government isn’t a jobs program”

    *guffaws, slaps knee*

    • Sensei

      OT – Yes, it may be early days for the new M5, but its legacy is shaping up to be one of pudginess. With a curb weight of 5,368 pounds, it tips the scales 427 pounds heavier than a four-wheel-drive crew cab F-150, 540 pounds more than a Tesla Model S Plaid, and 288 pounds more than a crew cab, 4×4, 5.3-liter V8-powered Chevrolet Silverado RST.

      https://www.theautopian.com/painting-a-single-bmw-m5-frozen-orange-doesnt-change-the-fact-that-it-weighs-more-than-a-ford-f-150/

      The new BMW where M stands for “Mass”.

      • Not Adahn

        a Spalding basketball-themed M5.

        I LOL’d.

      • Dr Mossy Lawn

        That weighs more than my Range Rover (The Leviathan) , but I don’t have over “700hp”.. so it will be faster.

      • Sensei

        Drake- it’s a mild hybrid.

      • PieInTheSky

        no mass shaming

      • Drake

        So a mid-size battery to help haul around all that blubber. Which adds more blubber.

        Those poor BMW engineers caught in a loop.

      • Sean

        It’s so fat, Tres may try to fuck it.

      • juris imprudent

        Drake- it’s a mild hybrid.

        Is that like mildly retarded?

  16. The Late P Brooks

    a curb weight of 5,368 pounds

    Good grief.

    Can you haul plywood in it, or tow a trailer with a backhoe on it?

    • Sensei

      The BMW M5 E28 has a curb weight of 1,430 kilograms (3,152 pounds).

      You almost get twice the BMW compared to the first generation.

    • Gustave Lytton

      It’s not going to end until bureaucrats start dancing from lampposts. Hopped authority, no common sense, and an unshakable belief that they are dogooders.

      • juris imprudent

        I’ll only half-fault the bureaucrats in this instance. They were triggered by some fucking internet morons that have less accountability than the bureaucrats.

        I’d love to have those reddit twats in an enclosed space for an hour or two of baseball-bat education as to the value of their opinions.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Yeah most of this falls on the no-consequence tip lines.

    • rhywun

      Thank goodness for the relatively happy ending. I was almost afraid to read to the end.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        Waste of time of a bunch of highly skilled people, plus the trauma of going through that situation.

        Fuck the state.

  17. The Late P Brooks

    They should put tracks and a turret on it.

    • DEG

      Orban has been making the rounds among the combatants since Hungary took over the EU presidency. He’s been working on a peace deal for a while.

      The usual suspects, of course, want nothing to do with it.

      • Tundra

        Sales guys at Raytheon?

      • Drake

        And our Sec Def.

  18. The Late P Brooks

    You almost get twice the BMW compared to the first generation.

    That crappy old junkpile M5 mark 1 didn’t have a touchscreen, or an eight speed automatic transmission. Progress!

    • Sensei

      Meanwhile:

      The BMW 5 Series (E28) is 181.9 inches (4,620 mm) long. It also has a width of 66.9 inches (1,700 mm) and a height of 55.7 inches (1,415 mm).

      The 2025 BMW 3 Series is 185.9 inches long, 71.9 inches wide, and 56.7 inches high. The curb weight of the 2025 BMW 3 Series is 3,988 pounds.

  19. Not Adahn

    So, my next door neighbors have been carted off and their house is on the market. I looked into it to see if my mother might be interested, and I discovered that it’s somehow 75% the price of mine, even though it’s smaller and 35 years older with 1/4 the lot size. But ddly enough the taxes are half. I guess this asking price reflects new market conditions whereas the tax assessment was closer to pre-silliness assessments.

    • PieInTheSky

      my next door neighbors have been carted off – by whom?

      • Not Adahn

        Not certain exactly. Hopefully a privately paid assisted care facility. The husband was brain-damaged in an accident and the wife recently lost her ability to form memories.

    • DEG

      I guess this asking price reflects new market conditions whereas the tax assessment was closer to pre-silliness assessments.

      It’s possible. It depends on how your area does assessments.

      Here in NH we get reassessed every five years. There’s no adjustment to assessment between those times unless the owner successfully appeals the assessment. Yes, that means if the house sells in between the assessment does not change unless the owner appeals the assessment.

      • Nephilium

        There’s a big stink going on now locally because the county sent out new tax assessments after the boom in home prices. I’m fully expecting to be unhappy come next property tax bill.

      • DEG

        I’m fully expecting to be unhappy come next property tax bill.

        Strangely, my property tax bill was lower this time around.

        Elections have consequences. Town elections shot down much spending.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        Realistically, your assessment shouldn’t drastically change what you owe, since they start from how much money they need and then calculate rates.

        At least that’s how it used to work in NY.

        In Florida your main home can never go up more than 3%/year, and the freeze in assessment is partially portable if you move. And yes, this means new comers pay way way more than established residents.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        I see homes with crazy assessments all the time, like, 1/3 of the real value, and consequently lower taxes.

      • DEG

        Realistically, your assessment shouldn’t drastically change what you owe, since they start from how much money they need and then calculate rates.

        At least that’s how it used to work in NY.

        Rates are calculated in NH too.

        Unless the assessment drastically changes relative to every one else’s, yeah, you won’t see a big change in taxes during a reassessment regardless of when the reassessment is.

    • rhywun

      Trump’s (or is it Putin’s?) tax assessments at work.

  20. The Late P Brooks

    Porsche 914 ~2150 lbs.

    • Tundra

      As God intended.

      Series 1 Lotus Elise was 1600 lbs.

  21. DEG

    It shouldn’t need to be said, but a lot of blue-collar work is highly skilled and highly specialized.

    Beginning of the the Left winding down their fetishization of college “education”?

    Krugman is a fucking racist cunt.

    He is a Democrat.

    • rhywun

      Beginning of the the Left winding down their fetishization of college “education”?

      Only if it starts to lose them elections.

  22. The Late P Brooks

    Series 1 Lotus Elise was 1600 lbs.

    As I recall, my MG Midget was about 1400. The Minis were about that, too,

    • Tundra

      Yup. My Spitfire was about 1800 as well. Miss me with all the stupid safety crap. I’ll take my chances.

      • R.J.

        A modern Polaris Slingshot, which has only 3 wheels, averages 1650 lbs.

      • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

        Safety Fast!

      • Tundra

        How did Polaris get away with no real “safety” stuff?

      • Nephilium

        Tundra:

        I think they’re classified as motorcycles (at least I’m 90% certain they are in Ohio), so have the lowered safety requirements.

      • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

        I believe the Slingshot is classified as a motorcycle, which means a much laxer set of rules.

      • DEG

        Federally they are called an “autocycle”. At the state level it depends.

      • DEG

        Oops…

        The “autocycle” bill was introduced at the Federal level but never passed. They’re a motorcycle at Federal level.

        State level still varies. I think only MA considers them a motorcycle. Other states consider them something similar to the Federal attempt at “autocycle”.

      • Tundra

        Ah, gotcha. How soon before they slam shut that loophole?

        Any of y’all driven one? They are kind of silly looking, but I’ll bet they go like hell.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        What I don’t understand is why it’s okay to drive something with no safety features, but cars need a billion doo dads? Consistency is just too much to ask.

      • Tundra

        Lol.

        *scratches Slingshot off list*

      • R.J.

        Drive one yourself. I don’t think it is a good car for Colorado, but it’s very nice down South. He is also driving a second year version. It was completely redone in 2020. Those newer ones felt quite good to me.

  23. The Late P Brooks

    The bottom line is that the attempt to portray immigration as an apocalyptic threat to Black Americans is refuted by the facts.

    The great Krugabe has spoken!

    • rhywun

      I wonder if he bothered to ask any black Americans (not employed by the NYT) their opinion.

      not to mention [Trump’s] longstanding obsession with crime in urban, often predominantly Black precincts

      I’m guessing not. Black people do tend to have opinions on crime that don’t necessarily align with their betters at the Times.

    • The Other Kevin

      Oh right, it’s that time again, where the American announcers refer to black athletes from Kenya as “African American”.

      • Nephilium

        Wasn’t it a Black British guy who called out an American reporter for that?

    • Not Adahn

      Ultimately, the match officials decided to bring all the players back out onto the pitch and warm up for 10 minutes, before then having the referee officially review the incident and determine the goal to be nullified — over 90 minutes after the match had appeared to be finished. By rule, the goal could not be officially reviewed by the referees without the players on the pitch.

      Note to self: refuse to let my team go back onto the field if I don’t want a call overturned.

    • rhywun

      I was half-paying attention and scratching my head at 16 minutes of added time. WTF?

      Yanks playing France now. Hundreds of miles away from the host city. When did that become a thing?

  24. The Late P Brooks

    I’m fully expecting to be unhappy come next property tax bill.

    Just lie back and think of all the wonderful services that money pays for.

    • Mojeaux the Lazy Yenta

      I rent (THANK HEAVENS!), but this year is the first time in 22 years we don’t have dependents or significant schedule C write-offs. We have a good nest egg and I’m terrified they’ll want all of it.

      • Suthenboy

        I noticed when slaughtering hogs, cattle, etc. that the flies begin swarming in less than a minute.

        Govt: “You have money? We are taking it. You made a voluntary financial transaction with someone? We are taking a cut. You moved money from one holding to another? We are taking a cut.”

        I am remembering the Obumbles admin when they didn’t bother hiding it. They suggesting just taking white people’s IRA’s because fuck you. I remember the speeches Obama gave and efforts in congress to have a 100% inheritance tax…i.e. banishing generational wealth.
        If we brought back hand-chopping for thievery I am kinda on the fence as to whether I would complain or not.

      • Mojeaux the Lazy Yenta

        They may have stopped the IRA-taking-directly talk, but talk of taxing unrealized gains is the same thing.

  25. cavalier973

    I’m sitting in Taco Bell, when a lady runs in, saying, “call 9-11; my dad’s truck is on fire!”

    Right outside the window behind me is a semi emitting plumes of smoke.

    I got out of there and drove to an adjacent parking lot. The fire trucks showed up a short while ago.

    • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

      at 1:28 pm
      I’m sitting in Taco Bell…

      How can you be drunk this early in the afternoon?

      • Tundra

        You can’t drink all day if you don’t get an early start. Duh.

      • Gender Traitor

        It’s OK – he’s not drunk. He’s stoned.

    • cavalier973

      I have basically four places where I can eat lunch: McDonald’s, Taco Bell, Wing Stop, and Dairy Queen, and I cycle through them.

      If I leave late enough, Incan stop at Wendy’s

      It’s a little further, but there is a Subway within range.

      Now that I think about it, I could also order Pizza Hut, and time it so that I arrive when it’s ready.

      There is a Sonic, too, but it would be awkward to get to and from it.

      There is also the gas station, that has gas station chicken strips and gas station pizza

      Unfortunately, it’s not a Casey’s, or I would be eating there quite often.

      • cavalier973

        I would rather bring something g from home, but it’s difficult to prep something in the mornings

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Good heavens! Are you in Manistee Mi?

  26. The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

    I remember caring about the Olympics when I was a kid. I barely knew they were happening this time, and only because French people like to shit in rivers.

    • rhywun

      I sat up all night watching Jerry Lewis one year. What the hell was wrong with me.

      Same with the winter olympics.

      I was never terribly interested in the summer ones.

      • Ted S.

        Nothing’s wrong with wanting to see fine entertainment like this.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        The Jerry’s kids specials? They did get kind of funny in the later years when he was a bitter old man that’d insult the kids, the guests, and the viewers.

  27. The Late P Brooks

    I remember caring about the Olympics when I was a kid.

    I cared about Olympic weightlifting, once upon a time.

    • Drake

      Cared about boxing when it was real. Team volleyball when they would show it.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      I liked the Olympic wrestling when they used to compete nekkid. I guess I haven’t really payed attention since around 180 BC.