I Watched it So You Don’t Have To – Death and Other Details

by | Jul 4, 2024 | Pastimes, Spot the Not | 113 comments

Imogene Scott (played by Violett Beane) – The Main Character

Anna Collier (Lauren Patten) – The daughter, and friend

There’s been some requests for content, so I’m dusting off the keyboard, and putting something together for your entertainment.  There will be light spoilers, so if you really want to watch the show, jump down to the comments (like most of the people will be doing anyway).  For background, I am a fan of mystery and detective shows, especially ones that play fair with the audience.  As long as there’s a fair chance for the audience to figure out the mystery, I’ll be a fan.  For the record, I enjoyed Knives Out, strongly disliked Glass Onion (for not playing fair), The girlfriend and I are still getting caught up on Only Murders in the Building, but we’ve enjoyed it so far.  See How They Run was a good little romp.

So, after giving some background, what is Death and Other Details?  It’s a murder mystery set among a bunch of ultra-rich people who are on a luxury restored vintage yacht.  Someone dies, and there happens to be a world famous detective (played by Mandy Patinkin – not pictured, you know who he is), who has some history with the main character (played by Violett Beane).  The main character has accidentally put themselves in a situation to be the prime suspect to kill the deceased, but didn’t do it.  They need to work together to figure out who the actual killer was.

Ok, we’ve got basic back story, loads of loathsome characters, some idealistic youth, and a grizzled old detective.  As usual in

Katherine Collier (Jayne Atkinson) the mother

Tripp Collier (played by Jack Cutmore-Scott) – the son

this kind of story, things begin to spiral, with more people getting killed, secrets getting revealed, and friendships destroyed.  One issue that I had with it, is the main characters are terrible enough that I didn’t care who lived or died, especially since the main characters appear to have some serious plot armor.

Of all of the revelations, one of them made the entire show a farce to me.  The main character’s old friend, Anna Collier, (played by Lauren Patten, pictured), is shocked… SHOCKED to learn that she is not the biological daughter of her parents (it gets even worse when they appear to mess up the reveal as to who the father is).  This was treated as a huge dramatic reveal.  The reveals and twists were all rather silly (it includes faking deaths, child labor violations, dead relatives, and a Horatio Alger plot).

The final wrap up really didn’t work for me, as the story got too overstuffed for my liking, with the reveals just getting more and more unbelievable.  It doesn’t help that it ended with a sequel hook (with a body literally falling from the sky) that will never be used as the show was canceled.  Thankfully it’s only 10 episodes (of ~45 minutes each), so it’s not terribly long, nor does it require a big time commitment, but I’d say you’re safe to skip it unless the revelations and actors give you interest in watching.

As with most of these, if anyone wants to take the format and run with it, feel free.  I claim no ownership over the idea of the concept, and would welcome other take downs of shows.

Lawrence Collier (played by David Marshall Grant) – the father

 

 

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Nephilium

Nephilium

Nephilium is a geek of multiple types living in the vast suburban forests of Cleveland.

113 Comments

  1. PieInTheSky

    There’s been some requests for content, so I’m dusting off the keyboard, – so not for good content 🙂

  2. Common Tater

    “There’s been some requests for content, so I’m dusting off the keyboard, and putting something together for your entertainment.”

    Shouldn’t Morning Links be over first?

    • PieInTheSky

      May the best post win.

    • Rat on a train

      We fought a war for the right to post whenever we want.

  3. Q Continuum

    “strongly disliked Glass Onion”

    I’m glad I’m not the only one, I found it to be nearly unwatchable by the end.

    • slumbrew

      It was bullshit.

      Rian Johnson needs to be kept on a tight leash.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        Nah. He should be given free reign over the critical second act of a multi-billion dollar franchise’s trilogy. I’m sure it’ll be fine.

      • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

        Rian Johnson has made some good stuff in the past: Brick being a good example, along with Looper, but Glass Onion was capital C crap.

        And, for the love of god, someone get rid of Ed Norton. That dude cannot act.

      • Nephilium

        ZWAK:

        In Norton’s defense, Fight Club and the Score. Looper is a fun ride, but falls apart under serious consideration.

      • EvilSheldon

        Rian is the Tom Cruise of directing – he’s capable of amazing work when someone keeps their foot firmly on his neck.

        Edward Norton is a very good actor with a single fatal flaw – he’s incapable of concealing it when he stops giving a fuck about a role.

        All time travel films fall apart under serious consideration, and the handful that cling on to sanity aren’t all that fun to watch. Anyone enjoy Primer?

      • Nephilium

        EvilSheldon:

        /raises hand

        Primer sits among Moon and Deus Ex as the type of sci-fi movie I want more of.

      • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

        I will except Fight Club, on one condition: Do Not Talk About It!

        And, as far as time travel, it is time for someone decent to make a mini-series from The Anubis Gates. Now, that is time travel done right!

      • Ted S.

        All time travel films fall apart under serious consideration, and the handful that cling on to sanity aren’t all that fun to watch.

        Time After Time breaks that mold, although that’s likely because the characters travel into the future.

      • Nephilium

        I’ll also throw in Travelers as a solid time travel show.

    • Gustave Lytton

      You’re not. I really liked Knives Out. Gave up halfway thru Onion.

  4. The Late P Brooks

    I don’t know why, but I have never been much of a whodunnit fan.

  5. KK, Plump & Unfiltered

    I have whiplash

    • Tres Cool

      I came back from the (216) with a serious cough and 101.8º fever. For some reasons colds suck ever more when its 90 degrees out then they do in the winter.

  6. Pine_Tree

    I enjoyed Knives Out also, except the irritating political sniping. He took what could have turned into a classic and slapped petty shit into it.

    Liked Glass Onion a lot, too. I think the part you’re criticizing as “not playing fair” was a good plot element. And a side item that very few people would have noticed, but that speaks to somebody somewhere in the production really caring about details: the character from Selma, AL actually sported the right accent for a young black lady from Selma. Not generic, not South Georgia, but really nailed Selma, believe it or not.

    • slumbrew

      If nothing else, Glass Onion showed me that Rian Johnson doesn’t understand how docks work.

      • UnCivilServant

        I don’t think Rian Johnson knows how anything works.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        The walrus was Paul.

    • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

      Eh, any time you have a Deus Ex Machina plot twist, such as an unknown twin replacing the victim, it is weak sauce.

    • Chipping Pioneer

      You know who else nailed Selma?

  7. DEG

    One issue that I had with it, is the main characters are terrible enough that I didn’t care who lived or died

    That seems to happen a lot nowadays.

    • Raven Nation

      So, kind of like elections?

      • DEG

        But somehow less shitty.

  8. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of mysteries and murder

    The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is keeping its aim trained on the barred owl, hoping an effort to cull the species could save its close genetic relative.

    In a final plan released Wednesday, the agency is proposing to kill as many as 450,000 barred owls over 30 years, despite opposition from some animal welfare activists and Washington state’s top public lands official.

    The plan, released in a final environmental impact statement, or EIS, is designed to prevent the extinction of the spotted owl, a threatened species that is being crowded out of its native territory by the slightly larger and faster-reproducing barred owl.

    “We’re at a crossroads, and we’ve now developed the science and analyzed everything,” said Bridget Moran, a deputy state supervisor for the Fish and Wildlife Service in Oregon. “We have to manage the barred owl. There is time to protect spotted owls, but that window is closing.”

    Who dares question the godly omniscient wisdom of government bureaucrats? What lowly peon could have come up with such a brilliant plan?

    • creech

      GENOCIDE!

  9. Toxteth O'Grady

    I’ve never heard of any of these people, except Mandy Patinkin.

    • UnCivilServant

      I thought he went by Dread Pirate Roberts these days.

    • Ted S.

      TCM is running Yentl. In a few days, and you can see Patinkin nearly naked in that one (although Barbra Streisand strategically films it such that you don’t see the censorable bits).

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        She was so funny oncest, until one day about fifty years ago she wasn’t.

  10. The Late P Brooks

    The wildlife agency’s final proposal calls for crews of professionals to broadcast a “territorial call” to attract barred owls and then to shoot them with shotguns. Public hunting of the birds would not be allowed, the proposal says.

    Jesus wept.

    • Suthenboy

      We all know how this will turn out. Half a million owls culled, maybe, and the spotted variety gets bred into the barred population.
      Lots of sound and fury, lots of people getting stirred up, a few lives ruined and the outcome unchanged.

      Where are those people screeching about executive agencies no longer having unchecked power? When agencies are down to micromanaging the critter population by the individual critter it is time to take an axe to the agency.

  11. Gender Traitor

    Well, darn. I was hoping that maybe since it had made its way to old-fashioned TV, Only Murders in the Building might be available on demand via our cable, but a search didn’t turn it up. Any idea where it can be found from the beginning?

    • Nephilium

      It’s on Hulu, as that’s who made it. Likely available for purchase on other digital platforms, don’t think it got a physical release.

  12. Sensei

    McKinsey fudge things? Never.

    Diversity Was Supposed to Make Us Rich. Not So Much.

    Academics can’t replicate McKinsey’s study precisely, because it keeps secret the names of the companies it used. But a paper published this year finds that McKinsey’s methodology doesn’t show benefits from diversity for S&P 500 companies for a range of profitability metrics. It isn’t that a lack of diversity is good for profits either, it’s just there’s no link.

    • Gustave Lytton

      In a just world, McKinsey would wither away from a lack of business.

      • Fourscore

        “But a paper published this year finds that McKinsey’s methodology doesn’t show benefits”

        On the other hand, Kinsey’s Reports were methodical and very scientific. Something we read with great interest, in our teen age years, ’til Hugh Hefner came along.

        /snark

    • Suthenboy

      “Once a person is demoralized it does not matter how much genuine information they have they cannot draw a sensible conclusion.” – Bezmenov

      See: The Sokal affair ( and hundreds of other gibberish publications)

      “One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.” – George Orwell, most prescient man of the 20th century.

      DEI is absurd on it’s face, any idiot could see that instantly. Well, apparently not, just ordinary idiots.

      • Suthenboy

        Rather than DEI I should have said Critical Theory and all of it’s manifestations. It is the philosophy of destruction, nothing else.

      • Suthenboy

        Neph:
        “I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is, of course, the goal.” – ACLU founder Roger Baldwin, 1935

        In case anyone was wondering why the ACLU behaves the way it does. Didn’t they recently disavow freedom of speech? I am sure they did.

    • R C Dean

      I read one take that McKinsey basically proved that profitable companies tend to have big DEI departments, and . . . that was about it.

      • Sensei

        But the academics couldn’t even get the correlation to be statistically significant.

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      McKinsey has a diversity practice, so some people did indeed get rich.

    • Shpip

      There are obvious benefits of diverse corporate leadership for society

      Assumes facts not in evidence.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    It isn’t that a lack of diversity is good for profits either, it’s just there’s no link.

    Co-incidence.

    It’s almost as if superficial characteristics have no bearing on ability.

  14. J. Frank Parnell

    From the earlier thread:

    Who should resolve these matters? Unelected federal judges, who may have no particular expertise in environmental law, or the federal agency staffed with scientific and policy experts who do?

    Has this person never heard of expert witnesses?

    • Suthenboy

      They prefer the unelected commissar to be judge and jury of themselves.

    • R.J.

      In a just world, environmental law would not be a thing.

    • R C Dean

      Let’s just leave aside the notion that judges are supposed to be experts in interpreting and applying the law and are expected to be impartial. Scientific and policy experts, by contrast, likely have zero expertise in interpreting and applying the law.

      Note the corollary, as well: if the courts having the power to interpret statutes is a huge power grab from the agencies, then doesn’t that mean the agencies wielded vast power when they had it? Funny how nobody mentions that.

      • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

        In a similar vein, all the tsuris about the 2025 project. If loosing that much federal power is such a detriment to the left, maybe, just maybe, they shouldn’t have that much power.

      • Suthenboy

        *raises finger above head*

        Uh…someone may have said something to that effect.

    • juris imprudent

      That is introducing evidence, to be weighed, not to be taken as revealed truth. When the priest has spoken, who has standing to challenge? No one because the expert/priest is THE authority (as long as they agree with my beliefs).

  15. The Late P Brooks

    It’s a cult

    Ferrari would never admit it, but dealers will tell you that customers have to work their way up a costly commercial ladder to get access to new Ferraris and especially limited editions.

    ——-

    In short, you start by buying a basic (and sometimes less popular) model. Then you can buy a slightly more desirable model, or two or three. If you attend Ferrari events, show support for the brand, even join a Ferrari racing program, you can eventually become eligible for more expensive and even limited-edition models.

    Nearly three-quarters of all Ferraris are sold to existing customers. Which means starting at the bottom of the ladder is difficult.

    “Ferrari and Hermès reserve their most desirable products for their most loyal customers,” Solca said. “This in effect ‘bundles’ access and amps up desirability.”

    I was watching some Jay Leno thing one day, and whoever was talking to him said, “You don’t own any Ferraris; how come?” Leno said (in effect) “Those guys are assholes, and I refuse to put up with their bullshit.”

    • Sensei

      That’s well known. However, with Ferrari greatly increasing production compared to history I’m not sure it’s going to continue to the degree it has.

      • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

        Eh, more Ferrari’s means more assholes.

        Someone should put the brakes on it, but it won’t be Enzo.

      • juris imprudent

        Spoken like some tractor manufacturing yokel.

      • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

        (psst, that is actually Lamborghini .)

      • juris imprudent

        Enzo dismissed Lamborghini because he made tractors. Feruccio didn’t take that well.

      • DrOtto

        Enzo dismissed Lamborghini because of tractors and lack of a factory race program.

      • Suthenboy

        That is one of those pussy tax thingies, isn’t it?

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Sorry, what? Meant in earnest.

  16. The Late P Brooks

    Has this person never heard of expert witnesses?

    The guy completely ignores the entire process. He makes it sound as if random judges just get out of bed one morning and decide to rewrite the regulations for an entire industry, on a whim. Nothing about plaintiffs with clearly established interests and specific legal arguments.

    • Suthenboy

      With Chevron in effect why bother preparing legal arguments? You had no access to an unbiased judge, no avenue for relief or being made whole. Some bureaucrat decides if he himself has the power he acted under and can rubber stamp himself or pay a shitload out of his agency’s budget. Somehow the outcome seems obvious to me. This is why they are foaming at the mouth about Chevron being overturned.

      • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

        It was the whole “Sue and Settle” BS. What with a revolving door between [any] industry and the the bureau “watching” over it, it is no wonder that people outside of that loop would want a little say in the matter.

  17. The Late P Brooks

    with Ferrari greatly increasing production compared to history I’m not sure it’s going to continue to the degree it has.

    According to that article, Ferrari have doubled output in the past fifteen years or so, while the world supply of billionaires has tripled. They haven’t lost exclusivity yet.

  18. The Late P Brooks

    There’s a sucker Ferrari tifosi born every minute.

  19. The Late P Brooks

    They ipo’d in 2015 and screwed investors because the couldn’t produce in volume.

    If you look at the lifetime stock price chart it’s hard to conclude the investors got screwed. Maybe those guys who handled Musk’s compensation case could convince a judge Ferrari’s shareholder’s got bilked because the stock isn’t worth $50k per share.

  20. Shpip

    Squee!

    Your comedic red pill for the day.

  21. The Late P Brooks

    Basically underperformed until 2023

    I just did a quickie look at price, no index comparison. Comparing something like Ferrari to a broad index doesn’t seem especially illuminating. Still better than Ford, I reckon. The basic point of that CNBC thing was exclusivity-driven luxury premiums.

    I’m just fucking around. Putting off pulling the instrument cluster out of the Honda to see if there’s a potentially defective relay behind it. I can hear a click (or not) in there which appears to correspond to my mystery intermittent no-start.

    • Sensei

      Wall St almost always looks at things compared to an index.

      For most including manufacturers you use the sp500.

      The idea is you want to see the under or outperformance compared to the market in terms of investment. Next step would be a basket of manufacturers. May or may not be auto. Alternatively you could do luxury goods. Compare it to LVHM for example.

      I could talk about this in more detail as it was a career at one point for financials. I know far less for manufacturers or luxury goods, but the same analysis works broadly speaking. Last thing you want as a professional investor is dead money. And Ferrari was dead money for multiple years.

  22. LCDR_Fish

    Patriotic singing edition.

    https://x.com/kamenamerica/status/1808876572717306184?t=0g5GFFW2GV5vftcYL4RMmA&s=19

    Kamen America is an indie comic started a few years back – spin-off = same universe as the USA G.I. comics – built a lot of material and big fan base pretty quick (Iconic comics) – excellent, very high quality alternative to mainstream stuff if you’ve got friends/relatives looking for high quality, family friendly material.

  23. Gustave Lytton

    So insiders, what’s on tap now? Is this the last post or another scheduled to appear?

    And have we done Living in America yet? Thanks to DE I believe for opening my eyes to the patriotism of that one.

    • Ted S.

      I did it in the AM post.

  24. ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

    Someone is saying “I am not running for president at this time, no matter what”

    NEWSOM: I was asked and tasked by President Biden, proudly, to fly from California to Georgia to represent the campaign right after that debate. I had a lot of talking points in mind. You may have noticed, if you saw me, I didn’t bring them with me, afterwards. And that’s to make the obvious point. Things did not go as well as the campaign had hoped. Obviously, not go as well as President Biden had hoped.

    I left last night from the White House. I had the privilege of being with 20-plus governors, many of them in person, including your governor, others on Zoom. I had the opportunity to talk to the president for an hour, an hour and a half. Could have gone two, three hours. And I mean this with absolute conviction. That was the Joe Biden I remember from two weeks ago. That was the Joe Biden that I remember from two years ago. That’s the Joe Biden that I’m looking forward to reelecting as president of the United States.

    And I mean that. I’ve been doing this. They don’t pay you. They don’t even reimburse you. I’ve been going wherever I’ve been asked, whatever task, large and small, because I believe in this man. I believe in his character.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/07/04/gov_gavin_newsom_the_joe_biden_i_saw_yesterday_is_the_one_i_remember_from_two_years_ago.html

  25. LCDR_Fish

    Chillin’ in my favorite local brewery waiting for the weather to pass by. It’s a long walk home – but I do have a couple plastic bags in my pocket for wallet/phone just in case.

  26. Suthenboy

    Toxteth O’Grady: Sorry for the delayed reply.

    ‘Pussy Tax’ was meant with great sarcasm. Recently there was a discussion on body care/beauty products that were marketed at men and those marketed to women. In many cases the only difference was the color (pink for women, other earthy colors for men). Other than that (razors for instance) the products were identical. Despite this there is a marked difference in price as marketers presume that women are more vain or insecure about their appearance and willing to pay much more for no measurable difference in function. It was actually referred to as a ‘pink tax’ after the pink color to indicate this is just for you girls.
    The whole thing is ridiculous, thus my sarcasm. Personally I would have no problem using anything aimed at a female market if it accomplishes what I need.
    Specifically I was snarking about the absurd prices of designer handbags as status symbols. I must say, the alligator bag is pretty great as alligator hide is THE top leather and is expensive to produce. I get that but the exponential price hike is over the top.
    I recently ran into this very thing shopping for boots. I wanted some Tacova’s in alligator hide ~ $1000. I opted for the black cherry caiman instead as the gator didn’t come in that color. When I looked for something comparable for the Mrs. it simply was not to be had. I would have to have them custom made at ~$7500. Good grief. Never mind that, she preferred to shop for her own shoes which is fine by me.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Oh, the pink tax. I was sorta afraid to DDG “pussy tax”.

      Yeah, I get impatient with silly women. Those stupid fingernails, for one. I blame Lady Gaga.

      • Suthenboy

        Mrs. Suthenboy is a ‘sensible shoe’ girl. She will get the best, most comfortable, best for the feet shoes she can find. There are lots of very nice looking shoes out there that fit that bill. I just paid more for a pair of Hoka? or Oofa? Oofos? or something, more than the boots anyway. They were recommended by a foot doctor (I forget which flavor he is). They gave her significant relief with some of her chronic foot pain. Worth every penny.

    • Shpip

      I recently ran into this very thing shopping for boots. I wanted some Tacova’s in alligator hide ~ $1000.

      Damn, and I thought that replacing the alligator hide band on my wristwatches was spendy.

      Of course, when you think about the amount of leather involved and the shaping, etc., I’m probably spending a lot more per square inch of product.

      It’s enough to make a man want to hide.

  27. The Late P Brooks

    Last thing you want as a professional investor is dead money.

    In other words, patience.

    • Sensei

      No. You are paid to make money not to index. Put your money in a passive market fund and save the fee you are paying to a manager.

      I’m saying this as a value guy and who hates wall st and its quarter results focus. But Ferrari was offered as a growth stock and not a value stock.

      Managers are mandated to be invested so if I didn’t buy this equity it would have been a different growth stock.

  28. UnCivilServant

    Roast Quail in Saffron Sauce… 😋🤗

  29. Chafed

    Thanks for taking one for the team, Neph.

    • Nephilium

      Meh. I watched this expecting it to be better, and I am unfortunately a completest. I made it through all of Dexter and Discovery.

      I was really hoping it would be better. Again, See How They Run is a good one, watch it those who care what I think.

  30. The Late P Brooks

    I’m not a professional investor I have had some good hunches which were dead money until they weren’t. It pays to be patient. A couple got away because I gave up on them shortly before they did what I was waiting for. Nobody’s looking over my shoulder, fortunately. I hardly ever even look at my account.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      I might like to go shopping with Ms. Suthen.

    • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

      Well, they seem to be doing all they can to make sure that no other “identity group” ever has any money.

    • rhywun

      And from what I have been gathering, as bad as most elite schools are today, Columbia has a long history of being the worst. As in, the home of Marxist rot which landed there decades ago and spread from there.

  31. The Late P Brooks

    Having found/fixed nothing, I guess I’ll put my dashboard back together.