Changing the Game, and Gift Suggestions

by | Nov 7, 2024 | Ballot Access, Liberty, Musings, Opinion, Products You Need, Society | 167 comments

A couple of recent SubStack posts got me thinking about how we need to change the game if we want our society to flourish.  Both of the following summaries are highly condensed – if you find them interesting, you should be able to click through to read the whole thing, as neither are from paid subscriptions.  I found both posts to be quite thought-provoking. Both raise the question of what counts as a community (in one case, a more or less local one, in the other, a national one), which is always a difficult issue, but is inescapable because communities are simply a fact of the human environment. There is no single, simple, right answer to either that question or the subsequent question of how to maintain/optimize a community. Clearly, the current model of “let anyone join and have a say in what the community is and how it operates” is failing, which presents a challenge to not only our current national mythos, but also to traditional libertarian thinking. Needless disclaimer: I have some bones to pick and questions about the claims/arguments made in both these posts. And I’m sure you will, too.

Disparate Impact is the Abolition of Private Property

This one comes from the Exit Newsletter, which I gather arose as a networking site for people defenestrated from their jobs for COVID heresy.  

The thesis here is that, once you leave your front door, you are in an environment that cannot be controlled by the people who live in the community, that “cannot be owned in common by the residents, in the sense that they have no meaningful right to restrict access to the shared property”.  The root of this is the disparate impact doctrine, which prescribes that any difference in outcomes for any protected class is proof of illegal discrimination.  These differences in outcomes can and do show up in the “tails” of the bell curve, which means that it requires the abolition of all standards, not just a general loosening of standards.  

The end result is that “vast regions of the social landscape [become] de facto non-excludable, and thus subject to the tragedy of the commons”.  The predictable (and observed) result is that the social environment becomes “unsafe, dilapidated, and barren”.  

From here, he argues that this is why many people don’t have children, especially in cities (because unsafe, dilapidated, and barren communities don’t exactly incentivize child-rearing), and why people with children flee to the suburbs (where at least there is some community selection based on price). It also explains why, even there, kids are walled off into structured activities and subject to general parental hovering.   While the suburbs can avoid being unsafe and dilapidated, there is still not much of a social environment, which means that are still barren.  

The solution to this kind of childhood, and to the decline in fertility in general, is to do away with disparate impact and its appended government micromanagement, and devolve the power to determine what a community will be to the people who actually live there.  Will this result in disparate impacts and de facto, if not de jure, discrimination?  You bet it will.  There is no other way to have a cohesive community.     

Naturally, real hardcore libertarians object to any control of the social commons (which is a frustratingly vague term in this post). I would only note that this control doesn’t have to be exercised via government enforcement, although disparate impact doctrine uses government enforcement to eradicate large swathes of civil society. I suppose anarcho-capitalists would say it shouldn’t even exist, which I think is a misunderstanding of what communities are. So have at it in the comments.   

One last thought: freedom of association is not limited strictly to two parties who may decide to associate with each other (a transactional view), but it implicates the community as a whole because there is a certain level of interaction with third parties that occurs outside of a narrow transactional window.

Universal Suffrage is a Suicide Pact

This one comes from Postcards from Barsoom, written by an academic (and he does go on at length) who is, shall we say, disenchanted with Current Day academia.

This one posits that violence is the foundation of politics, and that voting is essentially a way to channel that into non-violent dispute resolution.  As he points out, it is better to count the warm bodies at a polling place than the dead bodies on a battlefield.  The history of the voting franchise, until recently, tracked, more or less, those who are capable of organized violence.  In Greece, it was property-owning men (who could afford weapons and armor, and make the time to train).  He surveys other societies that featured voting as a political feature and finds a common thread (including clergy, as it has the ability to motivate organized violence, and the merchant class, which has the ability to fund it).  Not entirely by coincidence, those with the franchise also had the greatest stake in society.

With the advent of mass armies and firearms, the franchise was expanded to include all men (as these developments meant all men were capable of participating in organized violence), which created a kind of momentum that brings us to the present day, where the franchise extends to every warm body over the age of 17, regardless of stake in society or capability for organized violence.  This in turn opened the door to the engineering of the electorate that we are currently seeing, via mass immigration, and its concomitant ills.  As a result, society and politics are now divided into a parasitic class (the left and its dependents) and what I (not the author) call Remnant America – those who produce, create, and prosper through work and investment. Remnant America is also, and this is no coincidence, the party of cultural continuity, as it consists of those who have a stake in civil society and the productive economy

Universal suffrage, then, is a recipe for cultural and economic suicide, as it delivers the levers of power to those who have no stake in society and ultimately disenfranchises those who you really don’t want outside the wire.  He argues that we need to revisit what it means to be a citizen eligible to vote and hold public office, because cheapening citizenship, as we have, fatally weakens a society. There is a tension here between a moral(?) claim that everyone should have a say in governance (which would , taken to its logical conclusion, extend the franchise beyond citizens), and a more pragmatic claim that such a system simply doesn’t work.

Alright, enough of the heavy stuff.  Christmas is coming, and it’s time to get organized and find some gifts.  Oddly, the two that come to my mind both have to do with drinking.  Make of that what you will.  There are certainly alternatives to both of these, but I have these and can recommend them. To me, these fit the bill for something that is perhaps a little more extravagant than what your lucky giftee would get for themselves.

WinterSmiths Clear Ice Makers

These things really do make crystal clear ice, in a variety of shapes and sizes, that do a lot to dress up your cocktails. I can confirm through extensive research that clear ice takes longer to melt (and thus dilute your drink). I have the Phantom (pictured), which is their biggest one and has the most options as far as what shapes/sizes you can make. It does take up space in your freezer, and takes a little experimenting to get used to it – they may overflow a little as they freeze, so I put a pie plate under it, that kind of thing.

uKeg Growlers

The uKeg is a half gallon growler that takes a standard CO2 cartridge to keep your beer carbonated, in case you don’t drain a half gallon growler in one sitting (they also make a one gallon size). You can adjust the pressure/carbonation level, which is nice, and they are vacuum bottles that will keep the beer from warming up too fast. I also like the retro styling on this model, plus the sight glass in front is a nice feature. I got mine as part of their KickStarter, err, kickoff, so I have the stainless one (pictured) and the copper one. They last forever, apparently, probably because of a feature that I like: they can be pretty easily disassembled almost entirely for cleaning, and the company sells replacement parts.

I’m sure additional gift ideas in the comments will be welcomed.

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167 Comments

  1. UnCivilServant

    It does take up space in your freezer,

    I assume by that you mean more space than the traditional ice cube trays.

    My freezer is pretty crowded…

    • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

      I have an extra freezer, UCS. You can have it for free.

      • UnCivilServant

        How big is it? (I need to figure out if it would fit in my car)

        Does it still work? (I’ve got no experience fixing freezers)

      • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

        6 foot tall x 3 foot deep x 30″ wide

      • UnCivilServant

        The logistics of getting that from your farm to my house and inside would be a bit nightmarish.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Wypipo problems?

      • Fourscore

        If you’re coming this way with the truck put that freezer on the back. If not it’s OK or you can find another person that can use it.

  2. PieInTheSky

    we need to change the game if we want our society to flourish – not to sound blackpilley but I think that ship has sailed for the current iteration of human civilization.

  3. ron73440

    I have never been a fan of universal suffrage.

    Always thought property owner was a good cut off.

    I do like the ice maker,but like UCS my freezers are pretty full.

    • R C Dean

      They have some smaller models that might be easier to fit in.

  4. PieInTheSky

    The solution to this kind of childhood, and to the decline in fertility in general, is to do away with disparate impact and its appended government micromanagement, and devolve the power to determine what a community will be to the people who actually live there. – i doubt this solves the fertility crisis there are deeper cultural reasons for it. Mostly ideas of status and autonomy.

    • Mojeaux

      Children are no longer advantageous to the family’s income. They are a time and money sink.

      This not me saying people shouldn’t have children. I’m saying this is a fact and people can’t afford children.

      They never could, really, but several things worked for population.

      1) Possible labor/income in an agrarian and industrial economy.

      2) No birth control. Oopsies happened.

      3) Men more interested in continuing their line/name/estate/money/property.

      4) Cultural expectation to have children, such that it was just automatic; you didn’t question that you would have children. You didn’t even THINK to THINK about it.

      5) Planning for future old-age care/assumption your children would take care of you.

      6) Too young to know what a time and money sink kids were.

      Neither of my kids want kids, thank heavens. XX doesn’t want to pass on her mental illnesses. XY—oh, well, really I don’t know what he thinks, tbh. We did have a pregnancy scare a couple of years ago. And I don’t want grandchildren. I’m done with kids.

      So what we have now is people choosing to be child-free and using abortion to do it instead of being proactive. I think this is pure selfishness, not to the world or the way Ayn Rand hated, but general self-absorption. My mom always said people without children were uniquely selfish. It’s not an indictment. It’s a difference in experience.

      But THEN the 30somethings get baby hungry and wonder where all the good men went.

      Until we have a tradwife renaissance (which is trying), the population is not going to recover.

      • PieInTheSky

        one thing is the welfare state and state pensions, state medical care, even state elderly care, all popular in the western world, removed the need of a family as social security like in the past, but this had the effect of there might not be enough people in the future to pay the government pension and to tend to the elderly.

      • PieInTheSky

        i think plenty people afford children but not without giving up some leisure time and luxuries, which they do not want to do. I know women which cited they do not want to lose sleep due to a baby

      • Nephilium

        Among my friend group, the girlfriend and I are the outliers with no kids. Most of them have at least 2, and I think the most is 6.

      • PieInTheSky

        your friend group is probably an outlier among friend groups.

      • Tundra

        We have 2 and wish we would have had a couple more. Everyone’s got their own thing.

      • Mojeaux

        We thought/prayed about having a third child. I mean we really struggled. BUT damn near died with XY and I knew I would with #3 and I didn’t want to abandon the 2 I had for the 1 I didn’t.

        She would have been a girl and her name would have been Daisy.

        I’m still both absolutely sure we did the right thing and heartbroken that we had to.

      • Tundra

        Sorry, Mo. I know that had to be a tough decision.

      • kinnath

        My wife had salt toxemia during the first pregnancy. It was severe enough they had to induce labor a week early because they couldn’t treat it properly while she was carrying.

        The doctor tied my 21yo wife’s tubes during the second delivery (after lots of conversations before hand), because it was clear that another pregnancy was likely to kill her.

        There was no real opportunity to consider more children.

      • Mojeaux

        i think plenty people afford children but not without giving up some leisure time and luxuries, which they do not want to do.

        Hence, “uniquely selfish.” That’s fine. I see this more in the 30something demo.

        20somethings really can’t. They’re struggling with food, rent, and utilities.

      • PieInTheSky

        20somethings in Romania often live with their parents… I did till 26

      • kinnath

        I did till 26

        Is that when you made the transition to immortal being?

      • J. Frank Parnell

        Most people around here seem to have 2 kids, with 1 or 3 being a bit less common.

        The people I know who have 4+ kids are either very religious or very rich.

      • R C Dean

        It’s a matter of priorities, mostly, affected by incentives/disincentives. I think the article points out some of the disincentives.

        But it’s a pretty freakin’ fundamental drive for most people. I think it takes a lot to offset it.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      i doubt this solves the fertility crisis there are deeper cultural reasons for it. Mostly ideas of status and autonomy.

      someone didn’t read the article.

  5. The Late P Brooks

    As a result, society and politics are now divided into a parasitic class (the left and its dependents) and what I (not the author) call Remnant America – those who produce, create, and prosper through work and investment. Remnant America is also, and this is no coincidence, the party of cultural continuity, as it consists of those who have a stake in civil society and the productive economy

    My kneejerk off-the-cuff reaction to your post, up to this point was, “There ought to be a way to restrict the community to those who provide a net positive impact (however nebulous the definition).”

    Without a waste land into which the parasites may be exiled, you’re going to have a tough time.

    • Bobarian LMD

      Without a waste land into which the parasites may be exiled, you’re going to have a tough time.

      The problem is they keep leaving California.

      Lex Luthor had a solution, but Superman is a dick.

  6. The Late P Brooks

    Does clear ice involve some sort of vacuum?

    • ron73440

      I think it has the molds above the rest of the water and the impurities sink into the waste water as it freezes.

      • Nephilium

        That’s how most of them work. The ice outside the shell of the mold is extremely cloudy. The one I’ve got has a large insulated base, so the ice freezes from the top down, forcing air bubbles and the like out the bottom as it freezes. I’ve never been able to get perfectly clear out of it (if I shifted to distilled water, I should be able to), but it works well enough. I’ve also got large cube trays that aren’t designed for clear ice, and those get used more frequently by me.

        You can also go the old route with an ice pick and hand shaping the cubes/spheres, but who has the time for that?

      • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

        Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct

      • R C Dean

        That’s the idea – only the top layer freezes. The slower it freezes, the more likely you are to get perfectly clear ice. I have found, for example, that starting with lukewarm or warmer water helps.

    • EvilSheldon

      Nope. Just letting the water cool slowly enough so that the impurities float to the top and can be isolated. You can approximate the same thing with a cheap insulated travel mug. Fill the mug 2/3 of the way with tap water and stick it in your freezer. After it freezes overnight, run a bit of hot water over it to release the chunk of ice, then cut off the white part and throw it away. What’s left will be 100% clear hard-frozen ice – which you’ll need to crack or carve down into appropriately sized chunks. The Phantom just automates everything but the filling part.

      • EvilSheldon

        Float to the top, sink to the bottom…whatthefuckever. If the election season has taught us anything, it’s that there’s little difference…

  7. PieInTheSky

    He argues that we need to revisit what it means to be a citizen eligible to vote and hold public office, because cheapening citizenship, as we have, fatally weakens a society.

    I dislike universal suffrage but again that ship has sailed. And I cannot think of a really good way to decide suffrage that would be considered acceptable for MODERN AUDIENCES

    • R C Dean

      You understand he is contemplating the collapse of the current status quo and what will/will need to be the basis for the next one, yes?

      Neither of these really contemplates any kind of gradual reform.

      • Bobarian LMD

        a really good way to decide suffrage

        THUNDERDOME!

    • PieInTheSky

      If the status collapses the bases for the next one will be warlords or orwell on steroids not some better world

      • kinnath

        More like the aftermath of Captain Trips

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      If you don’t have universal sufferage, then you are just special pleading at first, and creating the means for titles of nobility coming later.

      The answer isn’t to limit the vote, the answer is to keep those who shouldn’t have it out, to make your case constantly and forthrightly, and to never let it become blase to vote.

      • kinnath

        We don’t universal suffrage now. We don’t allow children to vote. Most places don’t allow non-citizens to vote.

        I think one of the changes that needs to be made is implementing some kind of “beggars can’t be choosers” rule for who is allowed to vote.

  8. PieInTheSky

    The substacks are not bad in the sense of lets discus some stuff for the sake of discussing some stuff but they do not present anything remotely realistic.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      What do you mean doesn’t present anything realistic and how does that apply to the first article?

      • PieInTheSky

        i dont think disparate impact is going away and if it did I do not think it would help fertility. Though I guess I attached to the fertility thing which is a minor part of the article

    • PieInTheSky

      real men don’t measure

      • UnCivilServant

        Real men invented systems of measure so we could be more precise in building the spectacular world we now inhabit.

      • Tundra

        This unreal man has no interest in fucking up a $100 piece of meat.

      • PieInTheSky

        you should be able to telepathically determine doneness.

      • UnCivilServant

        Cow’s dead, it doesn’t have any thoughts to pick up while cooking.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Always measure from the base.

        Of the spine.

    • EvilSheldon

      I had a cheap Amazon knockoff of the RFX wireless kit, and I loved it to death (right up until it stopped working.) Might be time to order the real deal. Having my phone alert me when the center of my ribeye hits 130ºF is the kind of technological society I like…

      • Tundra

        I have a Maverick multi-probe as well. It’s been great but when it pukes I will definitely buy a ThermoWorks unit.

      • Nephilium

        If you can handle a little more ambiguity in your temperature reads, the ThermaPops are much cheaper than the pens and work quite well. Both are considered the gold standard in the homebrewing world.

      • Tundra

        I bought the ThermaPops for my kids and that’s what I had before the fancy one. Great device. I also have a simple DOT and it’s fantastic.

        https://www.thermoworks.com/dot/

      • R.J.

        I have one that has lasted for years and uses standard alkaline batteries. This is the upgraded version. Handles 6 probes at a time. Probes die off at a rate of about 1 a year, cost less than $10 if you want to replace one.

        https://a.co/d/e2rdUaO

      • Raven Nation

        Tundra: is that the place you bought freezer thermometers from? You mentioned them to me and I forgot to follow up with you.

      • Tundra

        RN: That’s the place. More expensive but worth it IMO

      • Raven Nation

        Thanks man – any specific recs?

    • R C Dean

      Oddly, we just got one a few weeks ago.

    • Grummun

      Having had one of our chest freezers go poopy on us recently, I would love to get a wi-fi enabled temperature probe, but they all report to a cloud service. I’m going to have to figure out how to build one with an Arduino or a Pi.

  9. Sensei

    Thanks for the disparate impact piece. Very interesting way of thinking, particularly as I live in the suburbs, but commute into NYC.

    • Tundra

      It’s a good one. He must have linked it earlier because I recall reading it.

    • rhywun

      wHiTe fLiGhT

      …is what the result was called my whole life.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      robc is back and we’re all going to pretend that he has never linked to Strong Towns before.

  10. EvilSheldon

    I think that I could make an argument that anyone, regardless of circumstances, who is held to be subject to societies’ laws, then has a stake in that society.

    But I also think that majority rule is an acceptable means of determining where to order in lunch for the office. It’s monumentally unsuited for anything even slightly more impactful.

      • EvilSheldon

        Exactly.

      • juris imprudent

        That is exactly what makes politics, politics – the rules are binding on those who either didn’t participate in the decision to make the rule or those who were on the short end of the vote (presuming voting is the decision making mechanism). There is no opting out, which by definition should circumscribe the use of that authority/power. Except it doesn’t.

      • Fourscore

        That’s pretty much how I feel, JI. I don’t want to participate in making rules/decisions for other people’s life styles. Hence my disdain for zoning laws.
        As a general rule deer season is the same time as the elections, easy choice. This year elections came earlier but I held fast anyway.

    • R C Dean

      “I think that I could make an argument that anyone, regardless of circumstances, who is held to be subject to societies’ laws, then has a stake in that society.”

      Which will inevitably result in what we have now – a system where the productive are preyed on by the parasitical, because the parasites outvote the producers.

  11. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of parasitism

    Biden acknowledged that the achievements made by his administration are not yet being felt by the American people and suggested it will take years to feel the effects. He said legislation he signed into law is only just now “really kicking in,” adding that $1 trillion in infrastructure work will get done and will change people’s lives in rural communities and other places experiencing difficulties.

    “It takes time to get it done,” he said, adding that he will leave behind “the strongest economy in the world.”

    Robbing Peter to bribe Paul is not, in the long run, sustainable (I hate that term).

    • B.P.

      When the economy was going gangbusters during the meat of Trump’s first term, the common refrain was “Thanks Obama!” I guess we get to relive that.

  12. PieInTheSky

    I say we all vote to take R C Dean’s growlers from him. It is for the common good. There is a growler inequality afoot.

      • EvilSheldon

        I think the only chance would be to get him drunk first.

        As sayeth the Old Master – “Beware of strong drink; it can make you shoot at tax collectors – and miss.”

      • PieInTheSky

        off course that is why I said we use the vote instead of actual violence

    • Nephilium

      How many empty growlers do you want? I’ve got over a dozen sitting on shelves (quite a few from now defunct breweries).

      • PieInTheSky

        charity is no replacement for government redistribution, do you even prog?

      • Nephilium

        Pie:

        Who said anything about charity. These are rare, one of a kind collectables that can never be replaced! I was just asking how many you wanted to put together a quote for you.

      • PieInTheSky

        I say we all vote to take Nephilium’s growlers from him.

      • UnCivilServant

        I move we ban Pie from proposing new votes. All in favor?

      • Tundra

        Aye

      • Fourscore

        We’re gonna ban pie? No way, man, ban cakes but not pie.

  13. juris imprudent

    I think I can safely say we aren’t much for conformity as a principle around here, and yet, conformity is the baseline condition required for community (with who is included and who is excluded). We do indeed exclude the rabble from here, and we wouldn’t want their “contributions” or the change that would be necessary for them to be included. We don’t need to be coercive about access control, but we have ways of enforcing our community standards.

    Voting is decision making. No one should be allowed to participate in a decision if they have no stake in the outcome (to benefit from good decisions and suffer from poor ones).

    • Nephilium

      Conformity can be a strange thing to nail down, look at all the exactly identical non-conformists out there.

      • juris imprudent

        Thus proving how ubiquitous and transparent conformity can be.

      • Fourscore

        Let’s take a vote to ban… Hey, hold on there, I didn’t mean….

    • Tundra

      Well stated. I would offer to subscribe to your newsletter but I already have.

    • Dr. Fronkensteen

      My issue is that there is such a disconnect between cause and effect from voting for certain policies that even if someone does have a stake in the outcome, they’ll vote for the wrong outcome because the voter doesn’t understand things like economics or good governance.
      Sometimes they’ll vote on something they don’t think will affect them and not understanding downstream effects will affect them. For example in this election there was a referendum on the below. By chasing out people from the state with means, the state will have to raise taxes on everyone. And no one who voted for this will understand why.

      The tax measure called for imposition of a 3% levy on individual income over $1 million, which state revenue officials say could pump at least $4.5 billion more each year into the state’s treasury to then divert to property tax reduction.

      • juris imprudent

        Yes, the I wanted everyone to have health insurance, I didn’t know I would have to pay for it problem.

        Mark Cuban meets every property definition imaginable for the exercise of the franchise, that doesn’t mean he meets even the barest standard of logic or reason.

      • Fourscore

        All the lottery money is going for schools.

        Referendum on increasing taxes to pay for teachers’ supplies.

    • Suthenboy

      Sound advice: Never defer to someone who has nothing to lose by. being wrong. The problem is not conformity…we are a social species. The problem is deciding how far that conformity goes and how much coercion is allowed.

  14. UnCivilServant

    The solution the the trolley problem is to switch between the front and rear trucks on the trolley so that it gets stuck at the points and doesn’t run anyone over.

  15. The Late P Brooks

    Voting is decision making. No one should be allowed to participate in a decision if they have no stake in the outcome (to benefit from good decisions and suffer from poor ones).

    Something something other people’s money.

    • juris imprudent

      Even more fundamentally, there is no such thing as sovereignty. I can’t ever exercise power over you, or vice versa – until we have a government that suddenly says we granted it the power to do so. Wait a minute, if none of us has that power, how can we grant it to government (be it king, council of elders, or one of us randomly selected to be in charge)?

      The whole damn thing is a lie. Once you’ve built on top of that lie, where does honesty ever come into play?

      • juris imprudent

        It occurs to me how pertinent it would be for kbolino to make an appearance here.

    • R C Dean

      The people voting to take your stuff and give it to themselves have a stake in that outcome. I don’t think approach will get us very far.

      Everybody is affected by/has a stake in governments, after all. That’s kind of the justification for universal suffrage.

      • juris imprudent

        Everyone has a stake in the outcome, not in the input, and that’s a big part of the problem.

  16. The Late P Brooks

    There are lots of Mormons and lots of children in this part of the world. Coincidence?

    • Mojeaux

      Absolutely not.

      Souls awaiting bodies is a cornerstone of our theology. One cannot be saved without having had a physical body. Now, whether that body has a soul in it when it gets aborted or not, we don’t know. I, sticking to the Gospel of Mojeaux, count those souls as having been blessed enough to have attained their bodies without having had to get roughed up in this life.

      So the idea is that we have children to give other souls the opportunity to have a body.

  17. kinnath

    Disparate impact doctrine needs to die ASAP.

    Universal suffrage doesn’t work, but decided who is allowed to vote is problematic.

    We don’t have universal suffrage now. We only allow citizens (mostly) above the age of majority. We do need more restrictions, but they can’t exclude me.

  18. The Late P Brooks

    Our looming pariah state

    On his campaign website, Trump included a pledge to “roll back every Biden policy that is brutalizing American autoworkers” on Day 1. Trump has repeatedly signaled he would seek to roll back regulations requiring automakers meet certain emissions standards that incentivize increased electric vehicle production.

    Trump in August said he would eliminate a Biden administration rule cracking down on planet-warming emissions and other pollution from power plants. During his time in the White House, Trump issued significantly less stringent rules for power plants.

    At a New Jersey rally earlier this year, Trump told the crowd he would sign an executive order on “Day 1” to halt windmill projects, targeting a key source of clean energy.

    Trump could also move to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accords once again, taking the U.S. out of the global pact to lower emissions. Trump pulled out of the accords during his first term, but President Biden rejoined the agreement after he took office.

    He’ll also make energy efficiency illegal and require open burning of tire dumps.

    • Sensei

      At a New Jersey rally earlier this year, Trump told the crowd he would sign an executive order on “Day 1” to halt windmill projects, targeting a key source of clean energy.

      Because he was pandering to NJ where there is a large controversial offshore wind power project.

    • Sean

      I swear I saw the beginning of a fresh Trump hit piece on CBS morning show as I was leaving for work. Had something to do with California wild fires.

  19. kinnath

    I wonder if the Biden staffers will pop off all the T’s on their keyboards before they leave.

  20. Muzzled Woodchipper

    Hahahahahahahahaha!

    Christopher Cadelago, the California bureau chief for Politico wrote in a post on X that Harris’s campaign had “ended with at least $20 million in debt,” according to two sources familiar with the situation.

    “Harris raised over $1 billion and had $118 million in the bank as of Oct. 16,” Cadelago added in his post.

    A Kamala campaign staffer confirmed to Breitbart News that the reports that Harris’s campaign was “$20 million” in debt “is real,” adding that Jen O’Malley Dillon, the Harris campaign chair reportedly “blew through a billion dollars in a few months.”

    The concerts that the Harris campaign held with celebrities such as Katy Perry, Lizzo, Eminem, and Bruce Springsteen were reportedly “all Jen’s idea,” the campaign staffer explained.

    “Jen blew through a billion dollars in a few months, and it was all Jen’s idea to do all the concerts,” the campaign staffer said.

    https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/11/06/kamala-harris-campaign-fell-20-million-debt-final-week/

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      A metaphor for the last 4 years. Or longer, really. Spend $2B. End up $20M in debt. Still lose.

  21. PieInTheSky

    Currently Listed for $7,600,000

    Diamond T Ranch is a 1,400+ acre property just 20 minutes from downtown Great Falls, MT. This one-of-a-kind ranch features an 8, 346 SF custom home with Wolf kitchen appliances, a Sub-Zero fridge, a heated 3-car garage, luxury stonework from Italy, France, & Turkey, and a newly renovated 1700 sqft caretaker/guest home just a half mile from the main house. There are also 2 large metal butlers(3375 SF & 2400 SF), a heated shop(1080 SF), an 800 SF barn + carport, 2 horse barns capable of fitting 9 horses each, a large hay barn, 6 useable grain silos, a 500-gallon gas tank, and a 1, 000-gallon offroad diesel tank. There are also 7 natural springs(fed by the Flathead Aquaduct), a year-round creek, and four spring-fed water tanks. (Onsite Tractors + Farming Equipment also available for purchase) Hunting is permitted and chances for special hunting permits are available. For inquiries, call Kirk Rossiter or Kip Smith , or your real estate professional.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_hydbXahCo

    • PieInTheSky

      no idea what metal butlers are and google aint much help

      • Fourscore

        I’m going to put a couple pieces of rural property on the market in the spring.

        One even has a Butler building. My prices may be a little cheaper though.

    • PieInTheSky

      downtown Great Falls, MT – i wonder if they have specialty coffee in downtown Great Falls, MT

      • EvilSheldon

        For that kind of money you could have specialty coffee in your kitchen.

  22. The Late P Brooks

    Mark Cuban meets every property definition imaginable for the exercise of the franchise, that doesn’t mean he meets even the barest standard of logic or reason.

    “If you’re so rich, why aren’t you smart?”

  23. The Late P Brooks

    no idea what metal butlers are and google aint much help

    Possibly butler buildings- round corrugated steel silos, usually for grain storage.

    • PieInTheSky

      my assumption was this sort of ranch is to be bought by a wealthy person as a holiday home not as a working ranch

      • kinnath

        Still need to feed the horses that the rich dote over.

      • PieInTheSky

        i guess my confusion is that these buildings in the video were just called sheds, though 3000+ square feet seems a lot for a shed.

      • Muzzled Woodchipper

        Not if it’s meant to house ranching equipment like tractors and such, or is used for things like branding.

  24. The Late P Brooks

    my assumption was this sort of ranch is to be bought by a wealthy person as a holiday home not as a working ranch

    There is no reason to let a valuable asset (and associated tax benefits) go to waste. A lot of the properties like this have ranch managers, employees and ongoing agricultural operations. I used to know a guy whose son worked on one of Ted Turner’s ranches not far from Bozeman.

    • PieInTheSky

      any idea how many cows or somesuch 1,400 acres can support in Montana?

      • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

        They say up to 250 cows near the end of the video, but they also called it “rod iron” instead of wrought iron and called it a “circle baler” instead of a round baler. I doubt either of them has baled hay in their lives.

      • PieInTheSky

        can one get an investor visa in America for a ranch? Or do you need some other business. Not that I have the money mind you.

      • PieInTheSky

        up to 250 cows – strange I somehow missed that

      • R.J.

        if you hurry, you can just walk across the border. no need for a Visa.

    • PieInTheSky

      oh those things were called silos in the video and the same in the description so I assume the butlers were the large metal sheds

      • R.J.

        i think the realtor’s use of the term is distracting and confusing. either say “silo” or “work shed.”

  25. The Late P Brooks

    People make houses out of those Butler silos. I have not completely discarded the idea of doing one, myself.

  26. The Late P Brooks

    any idea how many cows or somesuch 1,400 acres can support in Montana?

    No.

    • Grummun

      I’m gonna take a stab at “less than one per acre.”

    • kinnath

      If you actually believe that you are fighting Hitler, then immediate action is called for.

      Of course, Newsome is a fucking idiot, and this is all wasted resources.

      • Sean

        He’s starting his run for 2028.

    • Fourscore

      I could just as easily say 49 states instead of 50, should Newsom decide to take CA and break the ties that bind us.

      • R.J.

        He can only have the West cost of California. The Eastern side votes red, farms, wants to be productive and could care less about pronouns.

      • kinnath

        Build a wall. Cut off the coastal regions. Then push them into the sea.

    • Gender Traitor

      Who regulates the water CA gets from other states?

    • Not Adahn

      Yeah, Hochul and Tish had a joint press conference about how they were going to fight OMB and his taking away NYers fundamental rights to ban guns.

  27. Sensei

    Popcorn!

    Now RFK Jr. Has Chance to Steer Vaccine and Health Policy
    Industry, doctors and their supporters in Congress probably will resist Kennedy’s unconventional health ideas

    He and his allies could also seek to remake regulation of food and drugmakers. In a post on X last month, Kennedy attacked the Food and Drug Administration for its “aggressive suppression” of psychedelics, raw milk, chelating compounds and “anything else that advances human health and can’t be patented by Pharma.”

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/rfk-trump-health-policy-vaccines-29afe4cc?st=r7G8nN&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    • Tundra

      Fuck yes. Right into my veins.

      I hope he has good security, though.

    • Suthenboy

      The Achilles heel of the FDA are the revolving door between Pharma/Food company employees and jobs as consultants to the FDA. Start there.
      This has been looked at before. I remember the hearings…the Pharma employees complained that they should be allowed to moonlight as FDA agents because “We are making a lot of money at this and we really like it.”
      Ya’ don’t say.

      • Suthenboy

        Oh, and everyone should shut up about the damned dope and whatever pet project they have. It makes the whole liberty mindset look loony. Get to the heart of the problem and the rest will follow.

      • Sensei

        Not unique to the FDA.

        Same happens with the SEC and the Fed in my industry.

  28. Sensei

    Because who doesn’t trust editors and reporters when statistics and probability are involved in a story?

    I was in the room the morning Selzer presented the latest findings to stunned editors and reporters, who immediately dug into the data to try to understand why those results differed from earlier Iowa Polls and other polls on the race.

    I’m sure they understand things the the Central Limit Theorem, non-normal probability distributions and sampling and sampling error. I mean, who doesn’t?

    A thorough review of the Iowa Poll has begun into disparity between its results, actual vote
    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/from-the-editor/2024/11/07/iowa-poll-review-underway-election-2024-miss-kamala-harris-donald-trump-selzer-and-co/76110540007/

    • kinnath

      The Iowa Poll has always been one of the better ones. The royally fucked the pooch on this one. I knew it was wrong when I heard it. I just assumed that meant they had finally been assimilated by the borg.

      • Sensei

        I get that honest mistakes do happen. I’m just amazed at the hubris of the editorial / story.

      • Ted S.

        The funny thing is, Emerson released a poll the same day calling Trump ahead in Iowa by 9. Trump carried Iowa by 12.

  29. Not Adahn

    Eh, if the government has authority over a person, that person needs to have authority over the government. If you deny my right to vote, I reject any justification that those laws apply to me.

    • R C Dean

      So, children? The insane? Immigrants? Tourists? All get to vote?

      • R C Dean

        Perhaps for every (minor) child someone has, they get another vote. How you divvy these up between the father and the mother might be an issue, though.

      • Not Adahn

        Children are in that liminal area between persons and property, like animals are.

        But since children aren’t fully subject to the law, it doesn’t bother me that they can’t vote.

        “People I don’t like shouldn’t be able to vote, but me and mine totally get to pass laws governing those plebs” is just asking for a revolution.

      • Not Adahn

        People voluntarily entering into a place where they know they are going to put themselves at a legal disadvantage are completely different that people born into a country and have no other country to retreat to. But you knew that.

  30. Suthenboy

    Having trouble keeping up today.

    Voting….
    Every standard and system imaginable has been tried and turns out to be gamable and have serious drawbacks. With property ownership it turns out that wealthy people buy up everything ending up disenfranchising a majority of people. It was insurance companies that did it after the civil war around these parts. The ownership maps from that time show only a handful of owners in the state…carpetbaggers they were called.

    I think that ‘skin in the game’ is the common factor in most systems as it should be. Defining that is the problem. Let’s start with citizenship and more carefully define what constitutes citizenship. Let’s uncheapen the vote. Most countries have no state benefits for non-citizens and have restrictions on who can come in. for instance many countries will not give visas to people over a certain age or, especially with socialized med countries, you have to pay a hefty deposit just to travel to the country.
    As far as I am aware we are the only country with functionally open border insanity and the only country that allows anchor babies.

    As per my musings this morning we need to find out how to cut the legs out from under this giant dysfunctional leviathan we are smothering under. We could probably just take a few bricks out of the base of the wall to bring the whole thing crashing down. Our constitution is worth keeping and we do need government but we have let things get way out of hand.

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