The first CFP polls are out. I know there’s some butthurt, but I think they got it mostly right. The NFL trade deadline came and went with a few teams making some moves, namely the Steelers and Redskins. And Checo still has a job, surprisingly. Now, on to…the links!

It’s nothing

but wonderful photos

of stupid people

overdosing on copium.

Plus, Old Man With Candy owes me some money. And Banjos got two of her three predictions right. (She thought Trump would win one crazy state like VA or MN.) What a wild day.

Here’s a little ditty for you to enjoy this morning. I think it’s apt. As is this gem. Enjoy them both.

And enjoy this lovely Wednesday, dear friends.

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  1. The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

    A perfect gif for a perfect morning.

  2. UnCivilServant

    Apparently staying up til 2am and commuting at 6am leaves me tired.

    Stupid election.

    I’m going to ask if I can take a half day to get some sleep.

    • R.J.

      I am energized and I don’t know why. I was Zooming till about ten, then sat around in the dark for a few hours, unable to sleep.

      • juris imprudent

        I slept just fine – didn’t really care which way it went because neither will dramatically change the govt.

      • Swiss Servator

        Now wait just a minute, JI… Are you telling me that slowing the decline for a while doesn’t get you all fired up? Next thing you tell me, Sulla didn’t restore the Republic?!

      • juris imprudent

        It was Churchill that said looking back far in history gives you the perspective to see into the future.

    • Gender Traitor

      I can’t take a short day – I had to get to work right away to take care of a payroll issue, and it’s my week to set the building’s security alarm at the end of the day. 😒🥱

      • UnCivilServant

        I got approval for a half day.

        Be strong, stay caffinated. Set off the fire alarm to get out of the building?

    • UnCivilServant

      By some standards of “worst”, since his fingerprints are all over the past four years.

  3. LCDR_Fish

    Looking good on the whole. Just praying that we’ll get some common sense with a united government when it comes to fiscal and defense measures for a few years. Fewer executive orders, more solid legislation – and a lot of review of legacy shit like the Jones Act, NLRB, etc.

    Very interesting to see the spread narrowing in states like NJ too. Not sure if Desantis could have managed that, but I’m guessing a few states would have been more solid numbers for him than Trump (VA for example). I’ve mostly just been looking at the numbers on the Fox site – so it’s interesting hearing things called on some sites but not others this time (I went to bed around 11 EST).

    • Pat

      Just praying that we’ll get some common sense with a united government when it comes to fiscal and defense measures

      The only unity around defense spending is that we certainly need more of it. The controversy comes in when we decide how to divvy it up.

      • The Last American Hero

        If the divvying was greater protection of our borders and less sticking out dicks into hornet’s nests, I could be okay with that.

    • Ted S.

      It’s going to take a Trump EO to get you to Italy.

      • LCDR_Fish

        I hope not…pending waiver…soon…please.

        We need to work on shipbuilding – and the merchant marine – in conjunction with better legislation on ports, shipping, etc. (or simply less of it).

        “Naval power is the natural defense of the United States” – Pres John Adams

        “It follows then as certain as night succeeds the day, that without a decisive naval force we can do nothing definitive, and with it everything honorable and glorious.” – George Washington

        “Let us start from the fundamental truth, warranted by history, that the control of the seas, and especially along the great lines drawn by national interest or national commerce, is the chief among the merely material elements in the power and prosperity of nations. It is so because it is the world’s great medium of circulation.” – Alfred Thayer Mahan

        “A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace.” – Pres Theodore Roosevelt

        (yes, I’m reading up on some pubs while I sit on my ass)

      • juris imprudent

        “Naval power is the natural defense of the United States” – Pres John Adams

        Pre air & space era, sure. The only way to have a true fortress now is off planet.

  4. Nephilium

    So… will Joe drop the pardons today, or wait until closer to his 25th amendment trial so Harris can step in for a month or so?

    • Pat

      There’s no need to be hasty. The counting has to get finished up, and Trump still has to avoid spooks who can actually hit a target from 100 yards until inauguration day.

      • Pat

        NOT THAT KIND OF SPOOK!

      • EvilSheldon

        That’ll be a long wait…

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      Don’t some extra people have to step in before she can 25th him?

      Or is a straight up Brutus to Caesar type thing?

      • dbleagle

        I think Herr Faulein Doktor Jill biden, Ed.D is still pissed off enough about the palace coup against her meal ticket that she’ll everything in her power to keep “Joe from Scranton” in the Oval Office until 11:59:59 on Jan 20th.

  5. Pat

    Looks like even AP has given up hope on PA. Which absolutely shocks me. I fully expected at least 3-4 days of fuckery before that one was settled. I still wouldn’t be stunned if there’s some lawsuits, but if either MI or AZ tip GOP it wouldn’t matter anyway.

    The popular vote is even more surprising. I figured that was a lock.

    • Translucent Chum

      Michigan will be called for Trump as soon as they find enough votes to drag the Dem senate candidate across the finish line.

    • Drake

      Shapiro wants his shot in 4 years.

  6. PieInTheSky

    Klaus Iohannis
    @KlausIohannis
    Congratulations, president-elect @realDonaldTrump
    , for your victory! #Romania is a strong and committed Strategic Ally of the US. Through our joint 🇷🇴 – 🇺🇸 efforts, we will bring peace and prosperity for both our countries and beyond, defending our common interests.

    https://x.com/KlausIohannis/status/1854075553826918893

  7. PieInTheSky

    Branko Milanovic
    @BrankoMilan

    The conventional view is that Trump is good for Russia and bad for China.
    The truth is the oposite. He is bad for Russia b/c he will be unable, due to general opposition to him, to end the war in Ukraine.
    He is good for China b/c he will not wage a (crazy) ideological war that Biden did, but will be a transactional president.
    China can perfectly live with that.

    China can live much more comfortably with a US president who insists that they should buy more soya beans than with the president who wants to overthrow their political system.

    https://x.com/BrankoMilan/status/1854093576046616856

    • LCDR_Fish

      China won’t afford to buy more soy beans if their economy keeps tanking at the same time as their demography shift. They’ve got a tiny, shrinking window to attempt an invasion of Taiwan. I’d much rather have Trump in charge…but it’s most likely still going to fall in this cycle.

    • Drake

      Russia looks to be well on their way to ending the war in Ukraine. The Uke front lines and that idiotic Kursk bulge are not holding up.

      • The Other Kevin

        No way that war lasts into February.

    • Pope Jimbo

      Um, wasn’t Biden the President who had a son who took a shit ton of CCP $$$?

      Was Biden’s 4-D chess plan to destroy the CCP to bankrupt them by stealing all their money via his kid?

  8. PieInTheSky

    Esther K
    @estherckrakue
    Watch the smug British commentariat clutching their pearls, looking down at Americans…

    As we rot on our cold little island with pothole ridden roads, unaffordable housing, broken justice system, and ludicrous energy prices. You couldn’t make it up.

    https://x.com/estherckrakue/status/1854071874696970371

    to be fair pothole roads and unaffordable housing exist in the states as well

  9. Brochettaward

    This is where the lawfare kicks into high gear.

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      I heard Kammy called Trump and conceded. Not sure if that’s true.

      • Brochettaward

        I’m talking about the legal cases against Trump.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        Ah, I thought you meant lawfare on the election.

        Yeah, we’ll have our first incarcerated president, which all-in-all isn’t the worst thing. That’s where most belong anyway, albeit for totally different reasons.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Drunk Dialing?

      • Lord Humungus

        Any update on this? I haven’t seen it on the usual sites.

    • Pat

      The treason gambit is probably the only thing left that can really keep him out of office. He’s already a cOnvIcTeD FeLoN. Looks like impeachment is probably off the table until the midterms, at least.

      • Brochettaward

        Trump still faces sentencing for his convicted felonies, does he not?

        And he has to get a loyalist in charge of the DOJ who will squash those investigations into him.

      • Pat

        We’ll have a CoNStiTuTiONaL cRiSIs about whether he can pardon himself or hold office from prison/on parole, but it’ll probably shake out in his favor. However, he’ll never shake the investigations. It’ll be the exact same as his first term. I also don’t think a third, or even fourth, assassination attempt is at all off the table. I wasn’t really kidding. He really needs to watch his ass. I can’t imagine why he hasn’t already, but he needs to be hiring private security.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Imagine the OUTRAGE when Trump hires a competent Cracker instead of some totes deserving DEI candidate!

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        I think impeachment is off the table too. It only made his comeback a possibility last time, and the lawfare only gave him sympathy from the crowd.

        Donors will not back the play.

      • The Other Kevin

        This election was a backlash against the Dems. Pushing the lawfare, or even rioting, is going to make people even more pissed at them. If it was closer, maybe. But the R’s have the White House, Senate, House, and Supreme Court. If I were a Democrat I’d be backpedaling as fast as I could.

    • R.J.

      Maybe so. I can’t see what’s coming next for the globalists. They are truly getting cornered. I don’t think lawfare is going to stop the inevitable fall. I believe they will resort to violence instead.

      • Brochettaward

        A third assassination attempt would be a little suspect.

      • trshmnstr

        The second was a bit suspect. The third would be an open declaration of war.

      • Brochettaward

        They derailed his first term with a hoax Russia-gate investigation and an impeachment over something thoroughly in the purview of the powers of the presidency. Trump wasn’t able to stop either with his executive power.

      • Not Adahn

        I wonder how many GOPe’s have been purged or at least cowed into not supporting a (D) HoR.

      • EvilSheldon

        For an assassanation, yeah. Whack out Trump before the election, and you kill his campaign right along with him. Kammy would have won by double digits. Whack out Trump now, and he’s a martyr to half the country, plus now you get President Vance, who’s likely even worse for the IC then Trump would have been.

        I guess they could try to take out Donny and JD in one go, but that’s really stretching the limits of what can be realistically done. At that point you may as well go full ride-or-die with a military coup.

      • R C Dean

        I was thinking that the Dems have been going with the typical mediocrity’s approach to subordinates – hire people weaker than you as your insurance policy. Trump went the other way – kill him and you get Vance, who brings a number of advantages Trump doesn’t have and none of Trump’s baggage.

      • Pat

        There’s something I find eminently weaselly about Vance. I think he’d end up compliant in terms of maintaining the status quo. Then again, maybe Bill Hicks was on to something…

      • Brochettaward

        I’m not a believer in Vance. The guy was thoroughly anti-Trump and it wouldn’t surprise me if he was another ally who gets squishy when it counts for Trump.

      • Nephilium

        Pat/Brochettaward:

        Vance reads to me as a con man. He doesn’t have principles, but he can sell. That’s why he could initially run as an anti-MAGA/anti-Trump candidate but still be his VP.

      • Pat

        Vance reads to me as a con man.

        I haven’t paid enough attention to him to get quite that far, but that’s more or less what I was getting at. Trotting him out in some smarmy appeal to flyover hicks when his entire autobiography, from what I recall of the mostly positive press it got years ago before it was known he was one of those toxic Republicans, was basically taking a gigantic shit on the white trash dead enders from which he escaped and joined the upper crust struck me as a bit unseemly.

      • R C Dean

        All fair points. We’ll see which narrative plays out – Vance the con man, or Vance the guy who worked his way into the bubble and then saw his way out (perhaps due to growing up outside the bubble). I haven’t read Hillbilly Elegy, but I don’t know why somebody who gets out of the crab bucket would have good things to say about it.

      • Translucent Chum

        Neph – Harris called Biden a racist to his face on television and was his VP. 🙂

      • Nephilium

        Translucent Chum:

        Harris doesn’t have the chops to run a con, she can’t sell shit. Hell, she ran on a platform of change as an incumbent who would not have done anything different than the president she was the veep for. She (to my knowledge) has never won a contested election in her life. The ultimate DEI hire/warning.

      • Translucent Chum

        Neph – oh, I Agree. Strange bedfellows and all.

        Fingers crossed for Vance. His campaign for 2028 starts right away. Hope he isn’t a dipshit.

      • trshmnstr

        Since when has the VP had any power or sway in the administration? Even all this shit about Harris owning the border seemed more about tying her to Biden than about her actually having any responsibility.

      • Fourscore

        With my thick glasses I can hear in two languages but can’t read either one.

      • R C Dean

        The sheer joy is truly wonderful to see. I couldn’t help smiling as I watched that.

      • Pope Jimbo

        :RC

        On such a glorious day, I won’t even bother pointing out that I’m sure that that gal has a ton of “Deaf Culture” idiots calling her out for not wanting to be isolated.

      • slumbrew

        That was most excellent.

        Always love a non-doom-and-gloom tech application.

      • slumbrew

        *demonstrates a modern, life-changing miracle of miniaturization and computing power*

        “Why they gotta make the glasses look so goofy though?”

        🙄

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        OK, I’ll admit it; birth control glasses are sexy.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        At least they look like normal glasses. Previous offerings made you look like a low tier Star Wars cosplay (Google glass) or an Overwatch 2 character that no one plays (Apple).

      • Tundra

        Lovely. Thanks, Holiness.

  10. The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

    “Stinky Wizzleteats on November 6, 2024 at 5:45 am
    Cenk was a flopsweating, babbling mess…”

    So, situation normal then?

      • rhywun

        LOL the delusions are going to be off the charts for the foreseeable future.

    • Pat

      I remember when he was an environmentalist technocrat in good standing and the collective left was really, really fucking psyched about Musk redesigning the world in his “extreme” image.

  11. Rat on a train

    Trump is the first to serve non-consecutive terms since Grover Cleveland and the first to win three elections since Franklin Roosevelt …

  12. cyto

    NBC just told me it could take WEEKS to find out who controls the house.

    A democrat house would be a disaster for the country.

    Schiff would be right back at it, and the needed reform of the security state would be nearly impossible.

    • Not Adahn

      I thought Schiff was a senator now.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Yep, Schiff is in the Doge House now.

    • SDF-7

      Well, I suppose that’s one gift from the craptastic CA electorate — it wouldn’t be Schiff… he’s going to be fucking up the Senate this time, not the House.

      • Rat on a train

        Don’t worry. Vindman is available.

      • Pope Jimbo

        That is COLONEL Vindman you grabastic piece of amphibian shit!

      • UnCivilServant

        Not anymore.

        We don’t do titles of nobility, Citizen.

    • rhywun

      NBC just told me it could take WEEKS to find out who controls the house.

      Bullshit.

    • Not Adahn

      Any chance of a non-paywalled link?

      • Not Adahn

        *tips hat*

        Thank’ee

      • Not Adahn

        Lol, has NYT’s prose always been that purple?

    • rhywun

      I think the fraudulent “felon” conviction will be smacked down by SCOTUS.

    • rhywun

      never accepted the reality of his 2020 loss

      lol OK then

      • WTF

        The “reality” of 20 million “votes” for Biden that seem to have disappeared this time around.
        Sure.

  13. Not Adahn

    For all of my life “Educated” was a compliment.

    It’s rapidly ceasing to be.

    • Drake

      Becoming synonymous with brainwashed.

    • Rat on a train

      educated credentialed

  14. PieInTheSky

    So how congress doin’

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Hey pie, talk shit about ToG again and I’m likely to drive a stake through your Fucking head, hide in Romania where it’s safe to trash talk, pussy

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Toxteth O’Grady, my best friend

      • PutridMeat

        Lighten up Francis

      • Not Adahn

        It’s too early to be drunk.

      • Not Adahn

        I was never able to sustain benders — something about processing the alcohol just made me too tired.

      • Not Adahn

        But beer with a full English/Irish is delicious.

        The worst part was having to wait until noon for breakfast on Sundays.

      • Nephilium

        Not Adahn:

        When I was younger, a group of us would get a hotel room downtown for the night before and the night of St. Patrick’s day. The worst was when St. Patrick’s would fall on a Sunday, and the places that could make good Irish coffees couldn’t serve them until 1300 (stupid blue laws). Now we just take the rapid downtown, hit up a couple of places, and head home relatively early.

      • PieInTheSky

        You can take home the same fucking message

  15. Pine_Tree

    Y’all think Jack Dorsey has enough reflection and self-awareness to realize that he’s the one who lit the fuze by (of alll things) trying to cancel a small niche Christian satire site?

    • UnCivilServant

      Maybe.

      I got the impression that he wasn’t completely off his rocker, and after leaving Twitter was freed from some of the pressures that might prevent reflection.

  16. Pope Jimbo

    Are T and K lying bitches? Or are they victims of the Patriarchy?

    T says she’d voted Republican her entire adult life — until Trump became the nominee in 2016. She describes Trump as “misogynistic,” and a “buffoon.”
     
    “My husband will say it’s just what the media has fed me,” T said. “And I’m saying uh-uh. I watched it with my own two eyes. I listened to it.”
     
    One of those moments, when Trump held up a Bible in front of a church near the White House after calling in police to shut down a protest in 2020, was also a breaking point for another woman, K.
     
    “I was horrified. That was actually when I left the Republican Party,” K says. She lives in a red state in the Midwest and asked that we use her first initial because of fear of losing her job.
     
    K says she hasn’t told most of her family, including her husband, that she’s voting for Harris.
     
    “He assumes I’m voting Republican. I just listen to him talk about his views, and I just nod my head and go uh huh,” she said. “And I’m thinking, yeah and my nieces have less bodily autonomy and rights at their ages than I had.”

    Don’t worry. The only time T&K got really beaten was when they didn’t pick the Packers in the weekly football pool.

    • rhywun

      Herpity derpity doo abortion.

      Ah, there it is.

      • Pope Jimbo

        I liked the oblique “my nieces” line.

        What a super pro-abortion gal doesn’t have daughters to worry about? What’s up with that.

      • Rat on a train

        Murdering the inconvenient is the highest form of liberty.

      • UnCivilServant

        The judge seemed to disagree.

        Luckily that inconvenience has been taken care of.

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      Well he is a buffoon, so she’s right about that.

  17. Drake

    Too tired to make breakfast. I’m having celebratory egg McMuffins. First time I’ve been to McDonald’s in probably 10 years. I’m loving it.

    I do like these – even though every ingredient was probably injected with soy before being marinated in seed oil. I have Pepto in my desk drawer if there are issues.

    • UnCivilServant

      I have a Delmonico steak in the fridge that’s slated for dinner today or tomorrow.

      I don’t know which part of the cow the butcher cuts theirs from, since the Delmonico isn’t a formal “this part” steak.

      • Chipping Pioneer

        It’s an eye steak.

      • UnCivilServant

        That can be cut from any number of ‘eyes’ inside the cow.

  18. LCDR_Fish

    Ok….I think my Firefox issue last night was because the browser updated in the background..

  19. cyto

    Big difference from 2024

    Twitter is no longer under the control of the deep state and the DNC.

    This has pressured the other platforms to be less heavy handed.

    A major difference in monitoring and countering shenanigans.

    • Pope Jimbo

      From the ded thred: Mojeaux Catnip

      Let’s give thanks now to Elon Musk.
       
      Even if things aren’t quite over, there’s no doubt in my mind we never would have gotten this far without X as a free speech platform.
       
      I’m not being at all facetious here.
       
      — Stephen Green

    • The Other Kevin

      I agree. There were posts all day yesterday about sketchy stuff, and those were investigated and resolved. I saw a lot of “stay in line to vote no matter what”, and a lot of “get out there and vote” messaging. All that helped.

  20. Drake

    Kamala got 60 million votes. 4 years ago Biden campaigned from his basement and got 81 million. Can we just agree that 2020 was completely rigged.

    • Pope Jimbo

      C’mon man! 2020 was totally legit! If you don’t believe me Fat, why don’t we have a pushup contest?

    • Pine_Tree

      Yeah, let’s say that when they’re done with everything this year, the gap is like 15,000,000. So maybe (generously) half of that is legitimately the combo of pretty strong personal rxns against Trump in 2020 and Kamala’s unique unlikeability this time.

      That still leaves (generously, remember) 7,500,000 “votes” in 2020 that just mysteriously didn’t happen.

      Somebody somewhere in the data science world is gonna jump on this and show what we all know to be true.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Ahem….

        How is anyone going to get a gubment grant to look into this?

        I’ve been reliably assured that without gubment $$$ no research would ever be done.

    • Grumbletarian

      I would love to see a state by state analysis comparing vote totals for the presidency and vote totals for statewide races. It might reveal how many people voted for President in 2020 and nothing else.

    • Pat

      It was sexism what done it.

    • SDF-7

      Misogyny!

      (Sarcasm aside — there’s going to be some of that, and I suspect the programming has been out given my wife [who normally is pretty sane, but has said some stuff that I’ve had to bite my lip on regarding OMB, the state level abortion laws (she actually thought women had been miscarrying and not allowed to get medical care in some states… which I shot down as fast as I could) — and this morning trotted out “I do think some of it is because some men just aren’t ever going to vote for a woman.” (I replied with something like: “Well, in this case they weren’t ready to vote for a lying moron — nothing to do with her being a woman.” and that seemed to settle things enough..) She unfortunately in my opinion relies on Facebook to keep in touch with relatives and friends back East — and I can’t help but find it interesting that these are the “facts” she’s found given her politics are closer to mine and all…

      So yeah — I fully expect Hillary and Kamala to be patron saints of How Awful Men Are and America Is until the next go-around.)

      • Ted S.

        Apparently, Joy Reid is already bitching about white women.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        I don’t know, I think HeRCankles didn’t help anything this go-round, and if anything showed how people just want her to go away.

        (Obama put himself in the same bucket too what with all that guilt-trippin’)

      • dbleagle

        When did Joy ever quit bitching about white women?

    • PutridMeat

      If not a spoof on the Hulk Hogan thing, perhaps he’s just really, really upset at the MAHA direction of the Trump movement?

      • Drake

        Bobby’s going to fix his fat ass.

    • SDF-7

      Gah! No one needs Moobs in the Morning….

      • Pope Jimbo

        Hold on…

        What about pedophiles? Don’t they need Moobs in the Borning?

        Are you saying that chubby chasing priest have to forego cherubic altar goys?

    • LCDR_Fish

      Razorfist has been ranting about a need for each state to have their own “electoral college”, but I haven’t quite figured out what he means by that – something about rural areas getting greater representation vs cities I think.

      • Pope Jimbo

        It isn’t a bad idea. In 2022, when Walz won, it proved that no matter how much the Outstate hated a candidate, the big cities would provide the margin of victory.

        All of Walz’s margin of Victory came from Minneapolis and St. Paul. Without their 80+% margins, Walz would have lost.

        Rural districts should try to get more political juice.

      • Nephilium

        A couple of states have the electoral votes go according to house districts, with the statewide popular vote determining the two votes for the electoral votes assigned per senators.

      • SDF-7

        That’s part of why I wanted to see work from home become more standard. Get a more even distribution of the workforce and the political power of the cities is diluted.

        Since that’s going to be politically and economically a problem, so shock that they then started putting pressure on businesses and their corporate cronies to stop it.

      • rhywun

        Rural districts should try to get more political juice.

        They lost juice because everyone left.

        I would rather focus energy on ending unconstitutional money transfers and such. We don’t need more region-war.

      • R C Dean

        There state Senates at one time where each county sent a Senator, or something like that. I believe SCOTUS killed that with “one person one vote”.

      • Not Adahn

        Somebody did an “analysis” that said:

        1. EC favors rural voters
        2. Political parties microtarget in order to get 50%+1 of the vote
        3. Therefore whichever party’s microtargeting get them rural voters will always win.

  21. Lord Humungus

    Two nights of rotten sleep. Last night I had EF hide my phone so I wouldn’t be constantly be checking my phone all night. At 5AM I finally dragged my wine-drenched corpse downstairs and got to read the news on the PC. Hurrah!

    I had an inkling Trump would win but – given 2020, media, cheat machine – I was also skeptical.

    The pollsters – for the most part – missed the ‘shy Trump voter”.

    • The Other Kevin

      The accuracy of polling is going to be an issue, vs. the accuracy of the betting markets. Someone is going to take a deep dive into all of that.

      • Pat

        Maybe the perennial numerical whiz kid Nate Silver can tackle it. He’s had the entire fucking media humping his leg since he correctly called Obama’s stunning, upset win in 2008.

      • slumbrew

        Nate is now employed by Polymarket, which did indeed call it. 

  22. The Other Kevin

    Yesterday I mentioned Mrs. TOK was raging about people posting crap on Facebook. This morning she was delighted to see how quiet it was. All those shit posters suddenly went silent.

    Meanwhile, my older sis is on a cruise with mom and dad. They are so upset. Still watching MSNBC. My dad is coping by saying the economy is great, and prices haven’t gone up. As if those two haven’t been complaining about prices for two years. It’s going to be interesting seeing people twist their brains into a pretzel instead of admitting they were lied to and their party is garbage.

    • slumbrew

      “It’s going to be interesting seeing people twist their brains into a pretzel instead of admitting they were lied to and their party is garbage.”

      Same as it ever was, for both (all) parties.

  23. KK, Plump & Unfiltered

    LOL at FaFu Jenk

  24. Lord Humungus

    Last Friday I got in an (rather drunken) argument with one of my neighbors about politics. It started when she asked me why I don’t vote for – insert loser Kamala in here. It quickly turned into a heated discussion about the role of government.

    As far as I can tell – she is very liberal and single-minded – she thinks government protects her from fill-in-the-blank. She would be dead if it wasn’t for Papa Gvt. Which I said was a rather negative view of humanity. Also apparently ROADZ – yes she went there.

    Anyhoo – I wonder if she will talk to me again ::shrugs::

    • Ted S.

      Tell her she would have been aborted by now if it weren’t for Team Red.

  25. ron73440

    Oh man, on the one day I was looking forward to hearing Steve Harvey’s 2 minutes of hate the 2 ladies that listen to the radio are teleworking.

    I know not much will change, but it sure makes me smile seeing the unhinged melt downs.

    One of my first TV crushes is having a bad day:

    christina applegate
    @1capplegate

    Please unfollow me if you voted against female rights. Against disability rights. Yeah that. Unfollow me because what you did is unreal. Don’t want followers like this. So yeah. Done. Also after today I will be shutting down this fan account that I have had for so many years because this is sick

      • slumbrew

        A moment of silence for her chesticles.

        Also, fuck cancer.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        She has cancer? I thought she had MS.

      • slumbrew

        Breast cancer in 2008, followed by a double-mastectomy.

        MS diagnosis in 2021.

    • slumbrew

      I avoid social media of any celeb I like. For the reasons you just illustrated.

      Although someone like Nick Sercey is probably amusing today.

      • Drake

        I’ve been following Neal Asher and Larry Corriea while reading their books. That’s about it.

      • slumbrew

        Corriea wears his politics on his sleeve, so no surprises there.

        I suspected Asher leaned right but my impression is the covid lockdowns really pushed further right.

      • Drake

        Asher, like a lot of British normals, is appalled at what Labour is doing.

    • Pope Jimbo

      The whole “unfollow me if you like Trump” was the straw that made me leave Facebook (and if i had been on any other social media).

      A good buddy from college posted exactly this in 2016. He is a very smart guy who I really admired, but he posted something just like that. That is when I decided social media was a mind virus and I should leave.

      • Lord Humungus

        I have several friends who I _think_ are quite smart. But once they open their mouths about politics my respect drops like a rock. And that’s why I usually (ahem) do not bring up the subject.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        I left Facebook about six months into the first Obama admin. The smugness mixed with hatred of anyone else (and I was still a D then) even after he showed his hands a la HRC becoming SoS showed me what a cesspool it was.

    • Pat

      You’re really not that interesting

      Somebody needs to start sending out form letters notifying washed up D list celebrities that haven’t had a role in 20 years when their 15 minutes of fame have officially concluded.

    • Not Adahn

      She aged poorly.

    • PutridMeat

      I sometimes think I’m from a different species. I just do not get it. Oh well, fortunately evolutionary biology provided me with a make up that will allow me to ignore what comes out of her mouth and appreciate other aspects. I know, I know, objectifying, I go to box and feel shame.

    • Sean

      I popped over to Reddit for a peek. 🙂

      I blame the MSM for so much delusion amongst the public.

      I bet CNN is happy to have their ratings climb back up though.

    • R C Dean

      “Support disability rights by giving women the right to get a late term abortion on a fetus with developmental disabilities!”

      Like that?

  26. robc

    What I learned last night: people will vote for almost anything if it sounds like a good idea. Unless you try to stop them from killing bobcats, because that is a step too far.

    If Harris had gone bobcat hunting, she would have won 49 states and DC.

    • SDF-7

      Certainly Trump wouldn’t have had a response. Melania would take him down if he went cougar hunting.

    • PutridMeat

      Did that awful ban on lion hunting in CO go down?

      • robc

        Yes it did. About the only thing that went right in the ballot measures.

        My city defeated a 1% sales tax increase. So that is good.

    • UnCivilServant

      Look, if she had tried to go bobcat hunting, it would have been a cross between Walz’ failed attempt to load a shotgun and that candidate who shot a reporter.

  27. Lord Humungus

    Over-Under of what cities are going to be burning today? Peaceful demonstrations, naturally 🙂

    • Pope Jimbo

      I’m guessing that DC will go up in mostly peaceful protests.

      • Nephilium

        Just searched the sites, no reports of protests of any kind yet. They may be waiting to have the orgasm of JOY on January 6th.

      • Grumbletarian

        Pallets of bricks are still being shipped in.

    • slumbrew

      I took the hound out for a walk last night and it was eerily quiet here in deepest-blue Mass.

      I think people are discouraged more than energized.

    • The Other Kevin

      My gut is telling me we won’t see much. The Dems got spanked this election, and I can’t see rioting being a good choice. People are already fed up with their bullshit, and I don’t think it would go well for the rioters. Especially in cities where minorities have made a turn to Trump.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        This. Dems are in no position to push something like this, not having lost the gen pop vote.

      • The Last American Hero

        The cops and national guard were on the case in the Chaz Chop this time. I guess getting called out for their inaction and active cheerleading of riots, murder and rape last time made them feel a little ashamed.

    • Tonio

      I don’t think that will happen tonight. They will still hold out hope that Trump’s sentencing will derail the election. A lot of their energy will dissipate by then.

      I think if there is rioting/burning it will be the night after Trump (or Vance) is inaugurated.

      • SugarFree

        They would have to wait until his term was over to make him serve a sentence. (Assume that nonsense isn’t thrown out on appeal.) I don’t expect the Jean Carroll judgment to stand either.

  28. slumbrew

    The greatest part of Trump’s victory may be winning the popular vote.

    I eagerly await the “actually, the Electoral College has some good aspects” arguments from the left. Although I’d be satisfied if they just STFU about the Electoral College.

    • Sean

      The greatest part of Trump’s victory may be winning the popular vote.

      Agreed 100%

  29. KK, Plump & Unfiltered

    I think this election is a complete repudiation and overthrow of the neocon warmonger establishment. Hopefully the Cheneys and their legacy are done, politically.

    • SDF-7

      As much as I’d like to agree with you — I think the margins are too thin, and I think the McConnell types in the GOP are going to keep the neocon dream alive as best they can. So we’ll just have to see if we can get any progress (in the non-Wilson sense) this time around.

      It just doesn’t seem like there’s really any mandate for anyone to me. And since I’m a nutjob on the interwebs, take that for what it is worth.

      • rhywun

        It would be wonderful if they all joined the Dems where they belong.

    • KK, Plump & Unfiltered

      Who is left standing that needs to be kicked to the curb, besides Lindsay “Lindsay” Graham?

      • SDF-7

        I honestly haven’t been doing detailed tracking. I thought the idiot who is regarded as Mitch’s number 2 and gave the Dems their “bipartisan immigration reform bill” talking point was still around. I assume there are others — aren’t we stuck with Mittens for a bit too?

      • Drake

        He’s up on 2 years. Hopefully a decent opponent shows up for the primary.

    • SDF-7

      “Wait — you mean the most unpopular VP ever who couldn’t win a single primary vote didn’t do well! Gasp!”

      (Again — that it was as close as it was given how just purely terrible she is as a candidate is why I’m not terribly cheerful for the future…)

      • Nephilium

        Well folks, we found the limit of the Peter/Dilbert principle. VP and no higher!

    • B.P.

      I watched this in real time. It was worth staying up for.

  30. Tonio

    So, about the felony conviction. Here are the paths I can see that taking:

    The court could, citing extraordinary circumstances (ie that he would be able to pardon himself) sentence him but suspend the sentence. Trump gets inaugurated and pardons himself.

    Trump will have a chance to appeal the conviction, and the court could well delay implementation of sentence until that is over. Trump is inaugurated and pardons himself rendering the appeal moot.

    Trump’s inauguration is challenged ahead of time in the courts, and ultimately Vance gets inaugurated as president, pardons Trump who becomes a charismatic elder statesman. The left is stuck with President Vance who they should fear and loathe more than Trump since he’s effective and doesn’t have the baggage which Trump does.

    The one thing which is unclear is Vance’s path to the presidency if Trump is jailed or assassinated before inauguration. I’ve been looking for a law which speaks to this but everything I can find speaks to the VP succeeding a sitting president. I can find nothing that speaks to a VP-elect succeeding a president-elect.

    The length and complexity of this process reduces the chance of pre-inauguration rioting, but I suspect that the left will burn their own cities if Trump is inaugurated, and possibly if Vance is.

    • SDF-7

      Wait — wasn’t the felony conviction for a bullshit interpretation of a NYS law about elections? Not federal court/law? So I don’t think he can pardon himself, can he?

      I do know that the Trump team has been trying to get Fed Courts up through the Supremes to look into it to overturn it (that and the stupid loan one), which I suppose they can do — but I thought the presidential pardon power only applied to federal crimes and all, which that isn’t yet.

      • Brochettaward

        Yea, there’s no pardons he can issue here. He still has federal cases against him pending. Multiple. And then there’s some more state investigations.

      • tarran

        Trump can’t pardon people convicted by the New York state courts. Only people convicted of Federal crimes.

        With that being said, in any sane system the conviction would be thrown out by the appellate courts and the judge who oversaw his trial would be referred to the board of judicial standards for disciplinary action.

        In all likelihood, Trump will appeal. His sentencing will be postponed pending the appeal. I expect that the appeal will be successful. It will all take time. In the meantime, the DA driving his prosecution will be investigated. Based on her conduct in this case and other cases, it’s pretty clear that in her campaign of barratry, she has been bending a lot of rules. It’s almost certain that she’s broken a bunch, and I expect that she, like Fani Willis in GA, will find herself mired in defending herself against a corruption investigation. She will not be in a position to retry him. I think the case will end there with both Trumps detractors and supporters declaring victory.

      • WTF

        NYS claimed a violation of federal election law (over which they have no jurisdiction) to bump misdemeanors up to felonies. So that might complicate matters a bit.

    • Ted S.

      The Constitution is fairly explicit about the VP-elect becoming President-elect if the actual President-elect dies. I forget whether it’s 12A, 20A, or 25A.

      Congress has no good reason to try to disqualify Vance.

  31. The Late P Brooks

    Has jumped up off the mat to deliver the knockout blow yet?

  32. The Late P Brooks

    Let’s try that again.

    Has Kamala jumped up off the mat to deliver the knockout blow yet?

    • The Last American Hero

      Awaiting the judge to sentence him to prison, starting immediately. Unclear if the transition team will be based out of Rikers or not.

      • Not Adahn

        No Joke, I would LOVE to have the US being run out of a prison. The symbolism alone…

  33. PieInTheSky

    On the one hand I do not drink wednsdays. On the other I should have some American whiskey due to all this election excitement.

    • PieInTheSky

      how ever the fuck one spells that stupid day I could never get it right

      • UnCivilServant

        The problem is that it came from Woden’s Day, and spelling standardization was a relatively recent development. So it ended up getting frozen at Wednesday.

      • db

        Odinstag

      • R.J.

        I had some Bulleit Rye Whiskey last night. It was great.

      • Not Adahn

        So did I, and it is.

        Not really a “rye” though. Too sweet for the type, but not too sweet to be delicious.

      • B.P.

        I had some Sazerac rye. It treated me well.

  34. prolefeed

    I hadn’t been following the election at all. Stayed off any news site, include Glibertarians, except for the Babylon Bee, because election stuff hurts my head. Thought Harris would win by cheating, and women still voting against Roe V. Ward being overturned.

    Mrs. Prolefeed broke the news to me at 6 am. She was predicting doom, gloom, and possibly concentration camps.

    Me: “I predict it’ll be eerily similar 2016 to 2020. You know, like when this guy was President previously.”

    • Rat on a train

      But last time he had to worry about reelection so he didn’t go full fascist. This time he will declare himself dictator for life on day 1. /derp

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      Been wondering where you had been. Yes, Frau Zwak was doom scrolling when I went to bed last night, but doesn’t seem to be too worried about the camps and trains just yet. However, when she goes to the ivory tower to work today, that could be quite different.

  35. The Late P Brooks

    I turned on the network teevee at about midnight. No suicides on camera, unfortunately. Watched Trump’s address. I thought it was pretty good.

    There wasn’t a single frame of video from Joy and Love Central. What a gyp.

  36. PutridMeat

    I wonder if SugarFree is busily transcribing the inside view from Momala’s headquarters?

    Or if it’s all fiction – I know, I know, but just play along for a moment – if, like South Park, he had two scenarios written and drops the appropriate one?

    • EvilSheldon

      I’d love to be a fly on the wall, just to compare/contrast with Hillary. Inchoate, coffee-cup-flinging rage? Drunken maudlin self-pity party? Some combination of the two?

      • Nephilium

        I have a feeling that the Hillary meltdown would have been more epic. I doubt Harris has the introspection to understand why she lost beyond racist misogynist idiot voters.

      • Rat on a train

        Where did all those racist, sexist people who voted for Biden go?

      • Suthenboy

        No introspection….I saw lots of ‘where did we go wrong?!’ on the idiot box this morning.

      • prolefeed

        It’s not just introspection that’s the issue. I asked Mrs. Prole last night to tell me, from the POV of tens of millions of voters, why they were gonna vote for Trump. She asked me to go first. I said, for starters the currency was devalued by about half, so prices doubled, oil exploration and drilling were shut down, and the most tyrannical politicians during COVID were Democrats and they’d like to keep tyrants out of power. And they were afraid of a party that tried to take their choice off ballots, jail or bankrupt their candidate, and try to murder him, because more tyranny.

        She said the voters might * think * those were the reasons they vote the way they do, but they were really racist and misogynistic.

        Then she said the assassination attempt on Trump was faked.

      • prolefeed

        Shorter: people who are really smart in other aspects of their life can shut down their critical thinking when it comes to politics, because emotions.

      • slumbrew

        Oh dear.

        The wife and I just tacitly agree not to talk about politics too much, although we can talk about fairly neutral issues like the state ballot questions.

      • Brochettaward

        That’s what I’ve said for years. The LP candidate needs to be able to make a full throttled defense of libertarianism, even the parts that may be icky to be worth a damn. They are there to move the overton window and to influence the R’s.

        They are not there to be some middle ground party between Dems and R’s where they “compromise” on every social issue meaning adopt the progressive position.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Where did all those racist, sexist people who voted for Biden go?

        I’m trolling with this line of thinking as much as I can now, ty.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Then she said the assassination attempt on Trump was faked.

        Of all the conspiracies out there, letting a teenager with glasses shoot at your head for a photo has to be near the bottom. I mean flat earth is more believable.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        The wife and I have a system much like Slumbrews; no talking, go gloating, no signs.

      • Suthenboy

        Remember what Bezmenov said…once they are demoralized you cannot fix them. You are stuck with them forever.
        Trump winning isn’t going to make the Nancy Pelosi’s and her supporters disappear. We are still stuck with them.

      • Suthenboy

        “I mean flat earth is more believable.”

        It is worse than that, it is on par with AGW.

  37. cyto

    Right now, as i type, my wife is on the phone with her super-lefty friend.

    I told you guys about her… the only adult I have seen be actually racist in my adult life.

    She is in full meltdown over Trump. Yelling and crying… what am I going to tell my daughter!?!? People vote for someone who hates her?

    Ranting about everything under the sun. Completely unhinged at every level.

    Amazing that an election can effect someone at that level.

    She is a complete wreck.

    Plus… student loans. She has loads of them so she wants that free cash. Not fair that people who paid off their loans or never took them out don’t have to pay off her loans.

    • EvilSheldon

      Cluster B as a voting bloc…

  38. The Late P Brooks

    I would like to think this represents a repudiation of the Democrat Party, but they have proven themselves utterly immune to introspection or self awareness. They’ll double down.

    • cyto

      Why shouldn’t they?

      Let’s look at the fundamentals. They still control the media. They still control the bureaucracy. They still have the surveillance state. They still control social media, X excepted, and they have help from the EU and Brazil in taking them out.

      They traded out their most charismatic politicians for some rino retreats, so that was a mistake, but they are a couple of good candidates away from return to total power.

      • Suthenboy

        Unless they can thwart Trump’s success at reviving the economy they are toast. I think people are tired of their commie, banana republic bullshit.
        It would be nice to see their freak show pack up and leave town.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      I am pretty sure the money men will step in this time.

    • R.J.

      You know it. This could be such a moment, if Kamala came out and admitted that the rhetoric was extreme and helped her to lose the election. To your point, she would never do that.

      • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

        Her values haven’t changed.

      • Tonio

        There is no advantage to her doing that. Accountability is anathema to women like her. She’s done as a politician. The best she can do is eke out a living on the lecture circuit talking about how racist and sexist America is.

  39. Lord Humungus

    The greatest joy? Not seeing the same political ads over and over and over again. The free streaming services were the worst.

    Thank goodness, at least on the PC, Firefox plus the uBlock Origin add-on works perfectly with blocking YouTube ads.

    • Nephilium

      I expect that I’ll still get some mailing fliers until the end of the week, and will likely see a handful of Merino/Brown ads through the EOD. It was so nice being in a non-swing state and not getting bombarded with Trump/Harris ads.

    • rhywun

      The greatest joy? Not seeing the same political ads over and over and over again.

      Oh, hell yes.

  40. cyto

    I didn’t realize the hunting ballot initiative was some national thing.

    We had one here in FL, guaranteeing a right to hunt and manage wildlife by hunting and traditional hunting methods.

    Where did that push come from?

    • The Other Kevin

      Just recently the stock market was an indication that people knew Kamala would win. Today it means nothing except for greed from the 1%.

      • PieInTheSky

        I looked at bitcoin this morning not the market

    • Grumbletarian

      Bitcoin also hit a new all time high overnight.

  41. ron73440

    Chase Oliver came in behind Jill Stein and RFK Jr.

    RFK Jr. wasn’t even running.

    Hell, Jo “anti-racist” Jorgenson got 3 times as many in 2020 and she was awful.

    • The Last American Hero

      Look, the important thing is that he is gay.

    • cyto

      Partly not his fault.

      “Real libertarians” (read: people who don’t work for Reason or Cato) saw this as a last chance to avert an existential threat. So they stepped up for trump.

      Meanwhile, the far, far, far left was betrayed by their team who didn’t free Palestine. That hate had to go somewhere.

      • cyto

        But that said…

        Wow, do we make some bad choices.

      • slumbrew

        Oliver is also on-board with trans-ing the kids, which turned many potential L voters off.

        I’d normally vote L in my non-swing state of MA but went R on the off-chance Trump won the popular vote (so the left will shut up about the EC). But that reason aside, I think I would have abstained this year due to the the trans-ing of the kids support.

        Mission accomplished!

      • PutridMeat

        I think I would have abstained this year

        Prior to 2016, (L) for president, even if occasionally holding my nose.

        2016 – Did not vote; Partly because of who he picked for VP, partly because he couldn’t – or wouldn’t – mount a coherent defense of freedom of association. If I’m ‘protest’ voting, I want it to be unambiguously libertarian.

        2020 – Same as 2016 wrt LP. If you can’t find a presidential candidate that can stand up to the woke race hustlers (or one that doesn’t actually believe that nonsense), you’re not getting my protest vote.

        2024 – No way in hell I’m voting for Oliver – see above. A protest vote has to have teeth to be a protest. And, for the first time in my life, I actually voted for the winner.

  42. Suthenboy

    So, who is going to draw the short straw and play John McCain? Having an overall good SCOTUS, the House, the Senate and the Oval Office the R’s have to run their favorite play – drop the ball.

    Still I am overall optimistic.

    I wonder what Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith, Fani Willis et al have to say this morning. Probably nothing. They are busy planning an extended foreign vacation.

  43. PieInTheSky

    I am weak. I gave into temptation and opened a bottle of Jack Daniels single barrel barrel strength, which I had purchased because I read on the interwebs the barrel strength Jacks are actually not bad whisky. And Jack is, in the European perception, the most American of American whiskeys. Smells bananay and like jack ought to smell. On the palate it drinks a little hot, thought it is over 62% abv

    • slumbrew

      64.5% ABV? Yow. Yep, that’ll be hot.

    • Nephilium

      I’ve found quite a few barrel strength bottles need a bit of water/ice to open them up and tame them.

      • Translucent Chum

        Have you tried any of the Kirkland bourbons? I really enjoyed the small batch Barton 1792. Very drinkable.

      • Nephilium

        Translucent Chum:

        Not available in the alright state of Ohio. Only state licensed liquor stores are permitted. Anything over 21% ABV (42 proof; outside of beer due to a loophole) must be sold through the state liquor agencies. So we do not get Kirkland or Trader Joe’s liquors here.

    • cyto

      Wish I could come over with a couple of Dunhill Presidente and enjoy the morning

      • PieInTheSky

        the evening dude it is 17:08

      • PieInTheSky

        Dunhill Presidente – never had one. On the very rare moments I smoke I have a davidoff because that is what I find at the shop close to my house

      • R.J.

        That sounds wonderful. I skipped on having a cigar last night, that + whiskey means a tough work day.
        Lots of South American brands in Texas. I mostly get La Aroma de Cuba Robustos.

  44. cyto

    On the advertising…

    I think something changed this year. At least, down here it did.

    Political ads were much more tolerable. Gone is the grainy, black and white slow motion closeup of a candidate doing something unflattering, with a voice of doom narrarator telling us how dangerous a candidate is.

    Everything was slick and well edited.

    Even the dem stuff was pretty good. You had to know the real facts to find them engaging.

    So, glad they are gone. But there is a major upgrade to the political commercial game.

    • Ted S.

      LOL, I didn’t notice that up here. Of course, NY-19 was the most swing district in the country this time around.

      • rhywun

        My district. I think I heard the Republican is not conceding yet – too close.

    • rhywun

      Nope, my local ads were all doom. And the Dem ones were lies from beginning to end.

      • Nephilium

        All negative all the time here. They did successfully get me to hate Brown and Moreno.

  45. The Last American Hero

    I gotta admit – I went to bed around 9:30 PST last night and thought everything looked just like 2020 – nothing a few ballot dumps in PA and AZ can’t fix. It looked like an exact replay with Trump supporters thinking they had this thing locked up only to wake the next morning and find out that 5 states flipped in their sleep. I thought that Team Stupid waited far too long this time to challenge shitty voter free for all laws to make a difference, and I thought that there would be more power outages/dominion machine errors/ballot dumps.

    All the signs pointed to a Trump win, and in a cycle prior to 2020 I would have thought it a done deal before election day.

    So, here’s to all you prognosticators that had faith in the Team Red Machine functioning properly, a toast. I will eat my shit sandwich with dignity, and a side helping of salty progressive ham tears while I prepare the spare room for my handmaid.

    • cyto

      I felt the same way. It was setting up for it exactly the same.

      Then, nothing happened.

      No counting shutdowns. No sudden surge of unrealistically large vote percentages all at once.

      Nothing.

      I was …. surprised.

    • Semi-Spartan Dad

      Same here. I’m pleasantly surprised and very happy to be proven wrong.

      I watched Crowder for awhile last night, and it sounds like there were more safeguards in place this time around and independent from the GOP. Like stringers in Philadelphia hired to follow the ballot boxes from voting sites to the counting site.

    • slumbrew

      Wait, you’ve already been assigned a handmaiden? Is there a website or something where you need to sign up?

    • The Other Kevin

      Vivek called for Ronna to be fired as head of the RNC, and that happened. The new chairs built up a good bench of poll watchers and lawyers. And Twitter/X being free to report any shady stuff freely was a big help. The RNC was on to their tricks, and had people watching. I saw posts on Twitter from O’Keefe and a few others saying they had “eyes everywhere”.

      • R.J.

        Firing Ronna was huge, both from optics and process. She did so much damage. Probably on purpose.

    • Muzzled Woodchipper

      I was on Glib-chat until 4a Eastern, and even then we were all a little paranoid about waking in the morning to read about this year’s plumbing problem somewhere in one or more close states. We had noticed that they stopped the count at 266 on most sites (267 on NYT), which would leave him short of 270 even with Alaska coming in much later. Thought that a play was being made.

      Ultimately we all decided the media games were very likely games. That fixing 1 state is something altogether different than fix 5-7 of them.

  46. cyto

    Crazy lady is still ranting and screaming on speaker phone. Wife walked in with her already on the phone an hour and a half ago.

    These people who look crazy on TV?

    Yeah, they are also crazy in real life.

    • SDF-7

      Damn…. can your wife just set up ChatGPT with a text-to-speech mod or something to sympathetically go “There there” at appropriate moments in the rant and go about her day?

      • cyto

        She is serenely eating avocado toast and an egg, sunny side up, while the phone sits nearby. Every now and again she has to say “uh, huh”.

        Has not spoken in at least a half an hour.

      • cyto

        The biggest danger is that I’m going to involve myself somehow

      • Gender Traitor

        cyto, you should do everything in your power to make your wife laugh out loud right now.

      • Grumbletarian

        I’d start asking real loudly when it will be legal to hunt QUILTBAG+ people for sport.

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        Tell her that she needs to hurry or you are going to miss out on handmaid outfits in her size.

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      Will they be broadcasting from prison? Or Canada?

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        From their sea-stead in their Handmaid’s habits.

  47. Certified Public Asshat

    What does it take to get banned around here again?

    • cyto

      Hopefully being overly verbose is not on the list….

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Hopefully not for vague posting either. To be clear, I am referencing what seems to be a threat against another poster above that is still visible 90 minutes later.

      • Brochettaward

        Yusef is allowed to be a deranged asshat. The real line is drawn at Firsting.

      • PutridMeat

        threat against another poster

        One would hope a behind the scenes request/admonition to tone it down a bit.

        If it’s verbosity, I’m fucked.

      • Brochettaward

        To be sure, I am not calling for Yusef to be banned. Or even censored. His post is just ridiculous nonsense. There hasn’t been any threat of moderation against me in a long while, but Swiss isn’t around as much. So I was just being a bit of an ass myself.

      • SDF-7

        If it’s verbosity, I’m fucked.

        So say we all….

      • Certified Public Asshat

        I’m not calling for a ban either, deleting it probably, maybe a time out for awhile, but just seems odd to me that we would ban Shreek for trolling but not that?

      • PieInTheSky

        I really don’t care, I added two posters on this site to my ignore list and simply will not engage with them in any way in the future.

      • Not Adahn

        Yusef is sometimes a complete asshat. He also provides content. Some of that content is even good, and TPTB are forgiving so…

        I do like the way that the various personality conflicts here are pushed past/gotten over. Except for those that couldn’t handle it and left, which is sad, but if the people who made them leave were punted instead, would this be a more active or more interesting place? Dunno, though I do miss HM, Jesse, Warty…

      • cyto

        So… apparently thebskills i honed at TOS allowed me to completely skip that thread.

        Going back, I got to ask “what the fuck is Chinese downhill?”

        So I’m happy.

        Such a nonsequitur. Chill pills are in order.

        Or as my stoner buddy used to say all the time, channeling Tommy Chong – “hey, man. You’re hashing my mellow, man.”

    • Not Adahn

      Dragging fights across multiple threads and/or excessive bigotry seems to do it.

      • UnCivilServant

        Dragging fights across multiple threads

        *hides book of grudges*

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Book of Grudges? Is that the Necrocomeonacom?

  48. The Late P Brooks

    Looks like the market is happy too. Setting records.

    No way. I figured it would be down ten thousand points.

    • cyto

      The market is racist. And loves nazis.

    • Nephilium

      I figured this was the more likely one.

      • Gender Traitor

        After pissing the night away following election returns, then watching Trump speak, this came to mind for some inexplicable reason.

      • cyto

        Pretty perfect song for the moment

  49. Suthenboy

    Has anyone checked in on Zelenski this morning?

    • UnCivilServant

      He was in the congratulations train with some claptrap trying to conginue “bipartisan” support for his numbered account butchery

    • slumbrew

      He’s busy stuffing dollars into steamer trunks

      • cyto

        I would be…

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      Also, has anyone taken Steven King and Keith Olberman’s bootlaces and belt yet?

    • Brochettaward

      My brother played the “this disproves they cheated in 2020” card last night. But he was convinced Kamala was going to win because of abortion.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Be interesting to see participation numbers and percentages.

      2020 is looking more and more like a ballot stuffing op. I still think Trump lost it, it’s just Dems we’re better at the process.

    • R C Dean

      Repub turnout in 2020 is also way out of line with other elections, just not as much. If one demands explanation, I’m not sure why both don’t.

  50. PutridMeat

    A bit more on capital L libertarian.

    There were no (L) candidates for any down ballot positions were I was. Only for president. What a waste of resources, especially for the quality of the candidate. I was disappointed in the party (surprise, surprise)

    Then, with a bit of introspection, I thought, maybe I should be disappointed in myself. After all, I didn’t do anything. I didn’t try to influence or run in any more local elections as a Libertarian. So maybe I’ve no one to blame but myself. But then I further look at the LP national conventions and see the… in general just distasteful people that are attracted to political action. I recall back in San Diego decades ago attending a meeting with 10 other people with one of the local (L) big-wigs and just being disappointed in the used car salesman nature of the discussion and the smarminess of his staff – OK, one slimy know it all poli-sci major. And I go back and re-read Mexican’s article on Libertarian party politics. And I just go back to work, I don’t want anything to do with that.

    And so it continues.

    • Brochettaward

      The libertarian party doesn’t represent me anymore than the R’s do. They are as much of a compromise vote as any other.

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      We had several down vote L options here.

  51. The Late P Brooks

    Last night while I was ignoring the election I watched this. Excellent. Political humor with no expiration date.

    • cyto

      Our grandkids are going to have a huge advantage. For me, nothing before the 1940s was real. It existed as history, just in books.

      But now, we have documented our culture in movies and TV since the 50s. The grandkids will see how their great or great great grandparents lived. Their humor. Their music. Their fashion.

      I wonder if any of history’s lessons will be easier to pass down?

      • rhywun

        Our grandkids are going to have a huge advantage.

        Maybe but it seems like they’re completely ignorant of anything more than a decade old. Unlike my generation which sat through all the old stuff because that’s what was there.

      • Fourscore

        …and they won’t care…

        If it’s not on their phone it didn’t happen. They are living their lives as they see best.

        Media over exposure, history…repeating…learning from…

    • Brochettaward

      Eminem is rolling over in his grave.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Eminem really thought his endorsement was going to solidify Michigan.

      • Dr. Fronkensteen

        Otter: Grave?

        Boon: Forget it he’s rolling.

      • SDF-7

        He did supposedly kill Slim Shady after all.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Maybe Green Day died with the Green New Deal.

      • Nephilium

        ZWAK:

        The band who so hated Bush that they made an entire album about him, only to support his VP’s preferred candidate.

        Fucking assholes.

    • SDF-7

      Heh… that was well done.

  52. OBJ FRANKELSON

    Cenk’s current rationalization for their loss is that Team Blue didn’t prog hard enough on economics. Never mind that the Harris campaign sprinted away from her previous commie statements.

    sure_jan.gif

    • Not Adahn

      “If she just would have obeyed me, she’d’ve won.”

    • rhywun

      Never mind that the Harris campaign sprinted away from her previous commie statements.

      And it didn’t fool anybody.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      I will be honest, if Team Blue had a decent economy, they would have won and everyone would have shrugged their shoulders at all the Kulturkampf BS, thinking it was just what comes with the modern world.

      But no…

      • OBJ FRANKELSON

        Seeing as how their policies, from lockdowns forward, are largely responsible for the current state of things…

  53. The Late P Brooks

    From Sloopy’s NYT link up there:

    And the voters, appraising it all, saw it fit to rehire Mr. Trump.

    All those democracy savers asking, “How can it be so close!?” for the past several weeks are going to go into full on DEMOCRACY SUCKS mode now.

  54. PieInTheSky

    Will Trump pardon Ross Ulbricht?

    • Dr. Fronkensteen

      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      I would like him to pardon the J6er’s as well. Don’t know if he will.

    • SDF-7

      Why do I always read that as “Lars Ulrich” and think “They haven’t gone to shit that badly!”

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Yes. Yes they have.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      He said day one. I guess we’ll see if he keeps a lay-up of a promise.

  55. JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

    When I was voting yesterday in CA, where it is illegal to ask for ID when voting, the only person insisting that the poll workers check his ID was a black guy in front of me. I was amazed that he was able to acquire an ID since I’ve been told it’s impossible. The only other person I know who insists on showing his ID when voting is a Chinese guy, but they are basically white.

  56. Ownbestenemy

    Now let’s see if he won’t step on his own dick in the next couple of months

    • OBJ FRANKELSON

      He probably will. Hopefully he will be on offense this term, though. His first term was very reactive and he is in a position to be in attack mode from the jump this time.

      Most of his value for me is as an emphatic middle finger. Any policy wins are just gravy.

  57. Ed Wuncler

    When I got up from bed this morning I looked over and asked my liberal wife what size is she so I can buy her Handmaiden’s outfit. Luckily for me she thought it was funny so it spared us from fighting.

    But she made an interesting point. Her observation was that liberal white women were tanking the party because no one has the desire to hear a bunch of affluent white women lecturing to them how shitty they are.

    • Dr. Fronkensteen

      So why is the View still on the air?

      • Nephilium

        Well, the girlfriend decided she wanted to watch it today to see the tears.

  58. The Late P Brooks

    But she made an interesting point. Her observation was that liberal white women were tanking the party because no one has the desire to hear a bunch of affluent white women lecturing to them how shitty they are.

    But those affluent white college commies are the future of the party.

  59. rhywun

    I can’t get over how air-brushed Kamala’s headshot is, even on Fawx.

  60. The Late P Brooks

    Trump didn’t look particularly old or feeble at two AM Florida time last night.

  61. The Late P Brooks

    To crush your enemies and see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their bureaucrats.

  62. Not Adahn

    Lol, Chase Oliver is blaming Libertarians for his poor showing.

    • Brochettaward

      Libertarian bigots didn’t want to support the genital mutilation of children.

    • SDF-7

      So go form your own party with blackjack and hookers or something, Chase. Expecting communal action from Libertarians seems… odd.

    • PutridMeat

      Really, who else would he blame? Libertarians generally get votes from …. (L)(l)ibertarians. What does it tell you Chase, and the national party, that (L)(l)ibertarians were not willing to show up for you?

    • KSuellington

      Not a single fucking House member of Senator in 50 fucking years. Fuck that useless ass party. Get one Congress critter elected anywhere and I might return to voting big L.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        That, or create a meaningful voting block that gets you ATF, EDU, something like that.

  63. KSuellington

    T Dog returns. I knew that America could not resist renewing the Trump Show for another go round. The greatest political comeback in history. Who could have possibly predicted it?

    • Raven Nation

      My gut feel is there is less surprise on the left this time than there was in 2016.

      • whiz

        Yes, the increasing crazy rhetoric from the Dems in the days before the election indicates they suspected it was going to happen.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      Well, you still owe me a beer for Big Mike not being on the ticket.

      But, in my largess due to Trump winning, I will accept a hearty chuckle.

      • KSuellington

        Heheh, I do indeed. If you’re ever in SF hit me up! I did think for a few weeks there that Big Mike might have been the route they took.

  64. The Late P Brooks

    Lol, Chase Oliver is blaming Libertarians for his poor showing.

    “They saw right through me!”?

  65. Sensei

    But the second defeat of a female standard-bearer to Trump—a candidate whom Democrats viewed as uniquely flawed—could also scare the party from elevating another woman to the top of the ticket in the immediate future. “If the Democrats lose, they will believe it’s because we had a nonwhite woman and people just couldn’t vote for her,” said James Carville, who was the top political strategist to President Bill Clinton, speaking a few days before Election Day.

    Yeah, the whole reason Team Blue lost was because they nominated a woman of color. It has nothing to do with their desired policies or politics. Got it.

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/kamala-harris-democrats-2024-election-loss-3b3b9c30?st=wNWSz3&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    • Brochettaward

      1. See how quickly the Dems jump to their own racist instincts?
      2. The only real alternative for people who think like they do is to look at the 20 million missing Biden voters and ask themselves if that wasn’t somewhat…odd.

    • Raven Nation

      I’ve been avoiding FB but I took a quick look at one of my proggie friends and, of course, it’s the fault, mostly of white men but also white women.

      • Dr. Fronkensteen

        My FB has been really quiet. They must be packing to leave the country.

    • Dr. Fronkensteen

      It’s not like they’re going to nominate a Margaret Thatcher type.

      • PutridMeat

        Right? My response to that whenever I hear it is – Nominate Margaret Thatcher – I might vote for her, thought it’s probably too late for that. If for some unspecified reason, we need the woman to also be black, nominate Winsome Sears – I might vote for her too. Nominate Janice Rodgers-Brown to the SC – I’d be wholeheartedly behind her too – also too late.

        I can provide countless policy reasons why I’m not voting to Kamala Harris, ever. Put Newsome up, I’ll give the same answers. Whose the sexist, racist POS? It aint’ me.

      • rhywun

        Or that new leader they have.

    • R.J.

      Say that again when Tulsi wins for the new republicans in 12 years and is the first female president.

    • PieInTheSky

      I wonder if a moderate message Tulsi Gabbard would have done better on the dem ticket

      • R.J.

        Heh. Great minds thinks alike.

    • The Other Kevin

      It’s the economy and the border, stupid.

    • Pine_Tree

      Studiously ignoring that they managed to nominate the 2 most unlikeable women ever to hold a political office.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Also, a woman who failed up at every opportunity, and a woman who only had gimmy political positions.

  66. Sensei

    In remarks that sent shivers through allied capitals, Trump declared days before the Nov. 5 election that “in many cases, our allies are worse than our so-called enemies.” He also repeated his threat not to protect “under any circumstances from Russia” the members of NATO who are “delinquent” in their contributions to the alliance’s security.

    I didn’t realize Trump doubled down on this just days ago. Our betters in Europe must be really unhappy this AM.

    https://www.wsj.com/world/allies-fret-over-trump-presidency-as-authoritarian-axis-challenges-u-s-led-order-3f2d2cb9?st=A47p5i&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    • The Other Kevin

      He needs to add that he won’t protect any country that threatens to jail or harm the businesses of American citizens based on activities that are legal in the US.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        To quote Mojeaux, THHHHIIIIISSSSSSSS!!!!

  67. Urthona

    The most delicious fact from the election?

    The people worried about threats to democracy VOTED TRUMP.

  68. KSuellington

    18 million less votes so far in 2024 than 2020. Wonder what the explanation for that is?

    • SandMan

      Hala-fucking-luya!!

    • rhywun

      The answers are going to be very interesting.

    • juris imprudent

      I think two things, first Trump wasn’t in office – that had an effect. Second, Harris was a worse candidate than Biden or Hillary Clinton. I don’t think anyone can dispute that.

      • juris imprudent

        Bah, and third, the Repubs weren’t going to get caught flat-footed on the voting shenanigans again.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Covid related shenanigans were (so far) once in a lifetime. Widespread unsolicited mailings of ballot, six months of BS, etc.

        I think all of the possible explanations contributed.

    • Ownbestenemy

      They died in the COVID culling duh!

      • Not Adahn

        Drumph’s covid vaccine kills people! He told his MAGAts that ivermectin + hydroxychloroquin was the antidote! Oh if we had only listened to Cuomo!

    • Drake

      Lots of Democrats are asking that on X right now. It’s funny how close they are to the right answer but still can’t see it.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      The answer? Media silence.

      And in 50 years it will be looked at like JFK’s election, or the Reps in 1876: a footnote.

  69. B.P.

    I assume the political career of Kamala Harris is over. If true, so is our country’s long, nightmarish struggle to figure out how to properly pronounce her first name.

    • The Other Kevin

      I agree. There is no way she’s going to be on talk shows like Hillary. She adds nothing to the conversation.

      • R.J.

        I’ll take that bet for a beer. She won’t even be on talk shows post November.

    • Urthona

      Maybe she could set up a charity to help the Haitians.

      • cyto

        Some sort of partnership with PETA

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Why, she hungry?

      • SandMan

        Or maybe a culinary school.

    • KSuellington

      She is going to get a cushy university job or some cushy non profit board head job. She will never again run for an elected office that’s for pretty much damn sure.

      • Raven Nation

        Not even governor of California?

      • KSuellington

        Heheh RN, not even that. Even the true believers won’t be able to nominate her for that.

  70. cyto

    Btw…

    Crazy progressive is still ranting.

    Unreal.

    • ron73440

      That’s impressive.

      Your wife has the patience of a saint.

      • Ted S.

        She has the phone on mute and is laughing.

      • cyto

        Not when we are talking, I might add.

        (Also a fact that I will not be bringing up)

  71. juris imprudent

    No Alex today? Must’ve been some bender in celebration. Anyway, some real Democrats are contemplating what happened.

    And me, I’m just going to gloat about everyone that told me the fix was in, end of story.

    • KSuellington

      I predicted that if and when T Dog won that there would be a Dem reckoning that would ultimately push a lot of the proggie bullshit to the side. The Texeira wing is gonna get way more control going forward. The proggies are gonna be told to sit down and shut up for now. They can still hang in the party but they aren’t running the train any more.

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      He’s busy collecting his harem of handmaidens.

    • R.J.

      Alex may not wake up for days

  72. juris imprudent

    Great NYT headline there… Pariah, Felon, President-Elect: How Trump Fought His Way Back to Power

    Yes, power – the only thing worth living for!

    • Suthenboy

      Are they talking about the pariah that won both the EC and the popular vote?
      For a crowd that cant tell truth from lie, man from woman, cant look out the window and check the ‘climate’ there is no line they wont cross, no lie they want tell in the pursuit of power. Also, words mean what they say they mean, nothing more and nothing less.

  73. The Late P Brooks

    Buckle up, buckaroos

    With a win in Wisconsin, Trump cleared the 270 electoral votes needed to clinch the presidency.

    The victory validates his bare-knuckles approach to politics. He attacked his Democratic rival, Kamala Harris, in deeply personal – often misogynistic and racist – terms as he pushed an apocalyptic picture of a country overrun by violent migrants. The coarse rhetoric, paired with an image of hypermasculinity, resonated with angry voters – particularly men – in a deeply polarized nation.

    Women and children hardest hit.

    • R C Dean

      “He attacked his Democratic rival, Kamala Harris, in deeply personal – often misogynistic and racist – terms”

      I must have missed that. Surely somebody compiled a list of these attacks. Could somebody give me a link?

      • tarran

        His attacks were more ableist, IMHO.

    • Suthenboy

      – particularly men –

      Has anyone tabulated the women Trump voters yet?

    • Ed Wuncler

      To paraphrase Talleyrand, the Democrats learned nothing and had forgotten nothing. They are incapable as a whole of any introspection or accountability and believe that their only failure was that they didn’t do enough to keep Trump from running the third time.

      • KSuellington

        JD Vance is far more well spoken than Trump. If they don’t figure it out they are gonna be faced with him as the candidate they’re running against in 4 years and will get another spanking. I’m thinking reality intrudes before then for the Dems and they start pushing their proggie true believers to the side in favor of the pragmatic side.

      • cyto

        We need Vance to be the hero we need.

        It will take way more than 4 years to fix this mess.

  74. Ownbestenemy

    People announcing we need to rid the country of the EC whistling past the pop vote win.

    Head down, protect my family’s interest and get it on. Same plan as if he were to have lost.

  75. Ownbestenemy

    Lol

    Jo
    @JoJoFromJerz
    ·
    1h
    When you bitches are paying $18 for eggs and being paid pennies working in the fields because there’s no one else to do it, and your kids work factory jobs because there is no school to attend and shit like leprosy comes back, I hope you’ll remember how hard you owned the Libs.

    Wot?

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      If there’s no one else available to work the fields, wouldn’t you be making more than pennies, what with supply and demand and stuff? And I thought everyone wanted to bring those factory jobs back, including the Dems.

      • SDF-7

        And I thought we had more of a problem with diseases re-entering the country because of the complete lack of screening at the border….

        But yeah — given the worthlessness of a lot of college degrees and that a good chunk of young men especially would benefit from a career in the trades a factory job could start them out on, that sounds fine to me.

        JoJo is just a nut.

    • tarran

      Someone doesn’t understand supply and demand curves.

  76. kinnath

    no link to Salon. you can find it if you want it.

    “A wounding disappointment”: Why Kamala Harris’ defeat cuts so deep for women

    For women, watching Harris lose the election is like reliving all the disappointments and heartaches of your life

    Surprisingly, my wife seemed pleased that Harris lost.

    Of course, she’s an evil white woman.

    • Suthenboy

      Same here. Mrs. Suthenboy is giddy this morning. Also, we are frying chicken wings today, her favorite food. I am marking this day as the best day of her year.

  77. Grumbletarian

    Trump should invest in a Popemobile. And Kevlar jammies.

  78. The Late P Brooks

    and your kids work factory jobs because there is no school to attend

    Don’t forget the coal mines.

    • Suthenboy

      Coal is out. It’s the salt mines now.

  79. Mojeaux

    HAL LAY FUCKING LOOOOOOOOOOOO YA

    21yo XX just came home from work. She said, as usual, “How are you?” I said, “A lot better than I was yesterday.” She said, “Hell, yeah.”

    So. Working at FedEx has done her a world of good.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Whoohoo! Glad to hear that!

  80. The Late P Brooks

    I must have missed that. Surely somebody compiled a list of these attacks. Could somebody give me a link?

    Don’t you remember all those wild unsubstantiated and baseless accusations about her position being dependent on her race and sex? You know. without evidence.

  81. Mojeaux

    1. The left will NEVER introspect, especially if all the well-off white women keep on Karening. They do not believe they are the problem. They believe the icky people are the problem and we must be curb-stomped. They are fundamentally incapable of accepting responsibility or questioning their own beliefs in the face of someone else’s disagreement.

    2. Missouri overturned the abortion ban that went into effect after RvW was overturned. I wouldn’t have a problem with this, except that the trans lobby got their mitts on it and it’s basically more of a “let’s cut dicks and tits off!” than a “let us kill our babies!” I am not for a full abortion ban. There HAVE to be less restrictive limits. But, I voted no because the AGPs got their hands on it and almost nobody knows this.

    3. The same women who want abortion also want dudes in dresses, women’s locker rooms, and women’s sports. I don’t know if they’re self-loathing and want validation from a man that’s okay to be a woman, or if they’re just compassioning themselves to death, but the handmaids will come about because of men with fetishes who want to dominate women. Bye bye women’s rights.

    4. Missouri also kept Josh Hawley and elected a red governor, so, business as usual.

    5. Missouri also legalized sports betting (yay), approved a minimum wage hike (boo), and prohibited ranked choice voting (yay).

    So, except for the trans bill, I’m good.

    • robc

      What is the argument against ranked choice voting?

      I didnt like the primary part of the CO ballot initiative, so I am fine with it losing, but ranked choice is clearly better than plurality.

  82. cyto

    Van Jones, who worked with Kim Kardashian to get black folks released from federal prison, left his meeting with Trump visibly moved. He said trump immediately picked up the phone and took care of it. No hesitation. He was amazed.

    Now, here is Van Jones saying that since it isn’t democrats who say trump is a nazi, it is up to Trump to prove he isn’t Hitler through his actions.

    There isn’t a dungeon deep enough for people like that.

    Obama never lifted a finger to help those people, and Van Jones worked in the white house. Trump did. But trump is the racist.

    GFY

    https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1854193320550859063?s=19

  83. cyto

    Ooh… question

    Will Biden (or rather his puppeteers) preemptively pardon all the people who spied on trump, framed people, etc…..?

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