A Penny For Your Thoughts

by | Mar 11, 2025 | History, Musings | 141 comments

If you’re invested in the thoughts market you might want to hold.[1]

I like to make local brick & mortar purchases with cash. This means I get change. Like most people[2] I don’t spend change, I toss it in a jar. Unlike most people[3] I don’t have just one jar. For pennies[4] alone I have six.[5]

Jar #1: Wheat Cents (1909-1958)

The Lincoln Cent was introduced in 1909 on the centennial of Abraham Lincoln’s birth replacing the Indian Head Cent[6]. The original reverse[7] had two ears of wheat. Last made 67 years ago “wheat back pennies”[8] are seldom found in circulation but I still occasionally come across them in my small Vermont town.

Jar #2: Memorial Cents, copper (1959-1981)

The reverse was changed for the 150th anniversary of Lincoln’s birth. The original composition of the cent was 95% copper and 5% tin and/or zinc. Eventually the value of the copper in a penny became greater than one cent so, in an act of literal debasement, the composition was changed. Currently the “melt value” of a copper penny is 2.8 cents.

Jar #3: Memorial Cents, copper or zinc (1982)

In 1982 a new composition was introduced with a core of 99.8% zinc and 0.2% copper plated with 100% copper yielding 97.5% zinc and 2.5% copper. The original composition weighed 3.11 grams. The new composition weighs 2.5 grams which makes them easy to count by weighing them. Most people can feel the difference in weight between copper and zinc pennies.

In 1982 pennies of both compositions were made. In addition there are two varieties: Large Date and Small Date so-called because the “1982” is slightly larger/smaller. The Philadelphia and Denver mints made 1982 pennies for circulation resulting in eight different varieties. The copper 1982-D small date variety is extremely rare with one selling in 2017 for $18,800:[9]

https://www.numismaticnews.net/world-coins/second-1982-d-small-date-copper-alloy-lincoln-cent-discovered

Jar #4: Memorial Cents, zinc (1983-2008)

Boring.

Jar #5: Lincoln Bicentennial Cents (2009)

For the 200th anniversary of Lincoln’s birth four new reverses were released showing the stages of Lincoln’s life. For some reason the U.S. Mint produced only 2.3 billion cents in 2009 instead of the four billion cents per year typically produced until then. Of course people saved more of the novel pennies making them very rare in change now.

Jar #6: Shield Cents (2010-date)

After 2009 the reverse was changed again. The shield design is reminiscent of coin designs after the Civil War. These are the pennies produced today.

One variety of cent for which I don’t have a jar[10] is the 1943 Steel Cent:

These were made during World War II because shell casings were considered more important than coins. The composition is a low grade steel core coated with zinc. The zinc was to prevent rust but because the coin blanks were coated before being minted the edges had exposed steel and started to rust anyway. The copper composition was resumed in 1944. A few 1943 pennies were made in copper and a few 1944 pennies were made in steel. These are extremely rare and valuable.

An interesting fact is that the 1943 Steel Cent is the only U.S. coin designed for circulation that contains no copper at all. U.S. silver and gold coins had 10% copper in alloy.

This is an exciting time for the cent. For years the U.S. Mint has been working on a plan for an updated 2026 obverse for the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. None of the designs being considered incorporate major changes and it’s possible that the only change will be a date range of “1776 – 2026” instead of plain “2026”.

But that’s if the penny survives to 2026. As you know the new Presidential administration has proposed eliminating the coin entirely.

Footnotes:

[1] Thoughts will instantly become five times more valuable if the penny is discontinued and the lowest value U.S. coin becomes the nickel.

[2] I’m just assuming this.

[3] I’m pretty sure about this.

[4] A “penny” is a British coin. The U.S. coin is properly a “cent”. I call them pennies anyway.

[5] This is your brain on numismatics.

[6] Actually Lady Liberty wearing an Indian headdress. Back then this sort of thing was considered classy and respectful. I still think it is.

[7] The proper terms for the front and back of a coin are “obverse” and “reverse”.

[8] Please use this phrase the next time you’re talking to a coin collector.

[9] Believe it or not I haven’t up-ended my 1982 penny jar to see if I’ve got one.

[10] I put them in a transparent plastic “flip” to reduce air exposure. The very few I’ve gotten in change have all been badly corroded to begin with.

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141 Comments

  1. DEG

    are seldom found in circulation but I still occasionally come across them in my small Vermont town.

    I find them too occasionally.

    If I remember correctly, unless they’re really beat up, their numismatic value is higher than their melt value.

    • Richard

      This eBay vendor:

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/155511510114

      Is selling 50 cent rolls of supposedly unsearched Wheat Cents for $9/roll or 18 cents/cent.

    • Richard

      I suspect that nearly all the Wheat Cents ever minted are in the hand of hoarders like me.

      • rhywun

        Yeah, I haven’t received one in change in decades.

        I am more likely to get a Canadian penny or something from Barbados or whatnot.

      • Richard

        My small Vermont town is on the Canadian border. In the past, from the convenience store, I’ve gotten in change “quarters” that were from Bermuda and other exotic places. I’m sure they originated from Canadians buying gasoline. I have a separate jar for stuff like that.

      • DEG

        I’ll get one in change every now and then. Usually when I’m on trips in PA.

      • rhywun

        I grew up on the north coast of New York so tons of Canadian change floating around.

  2. ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

    If the penny is deleted, I won’t be able to drop dime anymore.

    A nickel for your thoughts on that!

    • Bobarian LMD

      Here’s a quarter, call someone who cares.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Cuz you don’t care tuppence? Oh, wait…

  3. DEG

    Thoughts will instantly become five times more valuable if the penny is discontinued and the lowest value U.S. coin becomes the nickel.

    It’s magic.

  4. UnCivilServant

    This Barley Makes Cents.

    What do you mean that’s wheat?

    • Richard

      LOL. Now I’m trying to come up with a grain-based fermented beverage joke.

      • UnCivilServant

        Careful, don’t make your brain malt.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        That would be the yeast of his problems, UCS.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        I should hops not, ZWAK.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        *not / so: whichever

      • Bobarian LMD

        Something to bring it to a head?

  5. The Late P Brooks

    The new design should feature Lincoln in a dress.

    • Not Adahn

      Making out with Joshua Speed.

    • Rat on a train

      Go Disney and make Lincoln a black tranny.

    • tripacer

      Has that thing flown yet? I imagine it’s pretty heavy with all of those folding mechanisms, plus car safety equipment weight

  6. Grummun

    Please use this phrase the next time you’re talking to a coin collector.

    I’m assuming this will get you the same sort of reply you get from a gun nut when you call a magazine a “clip.”

    • rhywun

      Bonus if you’re both in Frisco when it happens.

  7. Evan from Evansville

    Oooh! At Dad’s phys therapy now but more thoughts later. Dad’s dad left us his coin collection and it was my job to sort em. IIRC Mom handled the actual nice ones, but I was tasked to find all the pre 64 silver and all the wheat pennies.

    My haul was ~$3k or so. Poppee was pretty serious about it, but so don’t remember what our ‘really good’ finds were. I’m sure there were several.

  8. Not Adahn

    NPR had an article with a coin dealer who was completely nonplussed about the penny going away. I suppose it’s similar to how if people think something is going to be collectible, it isn’t.

    • Urthona

      Doesn’t making them more scarce help collectors?

      • Nephilium

        Pennies are already worth more than their face value, how much more help do they need?

      • Urthona

        Haha.

        I would say if you have been collecting something, you’re rooting for it to be as rare as possible while also hoping there’s others who are interested in it. I guess it’s a balance.

  9. PieInTheSky

    A Penny For Your Thoughts – or ha’penny for SugarFree’s thoughts

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Or a farthing for yours.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        To much farthing, and you will have a Cow Pie in the Sky!

      • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

        Never trust a farth.

  10. PieInTheSky

    Myself, I only date Dimes / cassuallyexplained…

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      Mike Bibby?

  11. Toxteth O'Grady

    I save #1 and 2.

    About a year ago I finally scored a silver quarter in the wild. At the risk of sounding like Lucy Van Pelt, I just love that tink sound.

    • DEG

      I’ve scored silver quarters, silver dimes, and one silver nickel.

    • Richard

      Many of my “in change” acquisitions are from the penny bin of the local gas station/convenience store where I buy gas and conveniences. My last silver dime came from it because I took a look and thought, “That’s unusual toning.” I was surprised because the proprietor, while not as rabid as myself, has a keen eye for collectable coins. That penny bin is where I found my last silver nickel and my last Indian Head cent.

  12. UnCivilServant

    All my paperwork is in, now I just have to wait. I’m getting very mixed signals on processing times.

    Most people say 6-9 Months.
    Safety Class trainer says 9-24 months.
    PD Guy said 0.75-3 Months.

    🤷‍♂️

    • Not Adahn

      We can hope the guy closest to the approvals knows best.

      What grips are you going to be buying for your Shadow 2?

      • UnCivilServant

        If I get a CZ it’s Pistol #3.

        I haven’t decided that far forward yet.

    • Dr Mossy Lawn

      NJ centralized and automated their systems, My carry permit was renewed 24 hours after the last of my references replied to the email. I did just get 3 pistol permits and that took 2 weeks to be processed.

      1st Permit under the old judge issued system took 4 months.. I was the first approved in my town after Bruen.

      • UnCivilServant

        New York still does it by county.

    • Suthenboy

      I walk in the gun store. I pick one out. “I will take that one”
      The dealer calls the sheriff who runs a background check. The check comes back inside of 5 mins…sometimes within a few seconds while they are on the phone. I pay the store price. I walk out of the door with my gun.

      UnCivil, to hear of your travails in NYS makes me angry in a way that words cannot really describe.

      • rhywun

        Why do you hate utopia?

      • Suthenboy

        Also, I carry my pistol concealed, legally. No license, no permission from anyone because to arm oneself for self-defense is an inalienable right. I carry it everywhere save government buildings or private property with signs indicating no guns allowed.
        (my grocery store has a sign that reads ‘No Long Guns Allowed’ with a picture of a shotgun on it. I have no idea why)

        What New York and many other states is doing is a crime. I dont mean that figuratively, they are criminals by abridging your inalienable rights.

      • Grummun

        Some, but not all, stores in Ohio will take my concealed carry license instead of submitting a check to InstantCheck.

  13. Muzzled Woodchipper

    From dedthred:

    I’m not at all comfortable with deporting permanent residents, even scumbags, because of their speech. Student or work (or any other temporary) Visa? Revoke that bitch and send them back. But a full green card? They have rights too, and freedom of speech, no matter how repellant, is one of them.

    • Urthona

      Legal precedent has been pretty comfortable over the last 100 years w/ deporting non-citizens who support the state’s enemies.

      Do I agree with it though? Not necessarily.

      • Urthona

        Hamas is a “designated terror group” which allows the U.S. to do shit like this.

        Is having “designated terror groups” even a good idea in most cases? Dubious.

      • Suthenboy

        “Are we currently at war with Gaza?”

        Yes.

    • WTF

      In the past I would have agreed with you, but we are well past the point where we can afford to be tolerant of foreign enemies working to undermine the country on our own soil.

      • Muzzled Woodchipper

        If we’re working against free speech, are we not the enemies?

        Free speech is a bedrock right. Arrest and/or deport people for actual crimes. I could see a legal argument that he aided and abetted sit-ins and whatnot, as I think those are illegal, but not for his speech.

      • Urthona

        Another question.

        Would you allow someone who supported Hamas openly to obtain a green card if it were up to you?

        Is this a violation of free speech?

      • WTF

        Free speech is a bedrock right.

        He can exercise his free speech in his own country. He has no innate right to be in the US.

      • Urthona

        The question of: “Do non-citizens have first amendment rights”? is actually an interesting one and fun to debate.

        The answer in practice? “kind of”.

        I’m not entirely sure kicking out green cards who support Palestine is the greatest precedent because I’m always thinking “how will the next guy in power abuse this”.

        And it will be ugly.

        ..

        But I think they might actually succeed. It depends on what their argument is before the courts.

      • WTF

        “Do non-citizens have first amendment rights”?

        I see as more of a question of “Do non-citizens have a right to be in the country?”
        I would say no, and if they behave in ways that are detrimental to the country, and they have forfeited the country’s indulgence in allowing them here.

      • Suthenboy

        WTF is correct. If you are not a citizen you are a guest. It is a privilege to be here. Dont come here and stir shit. If you stir shit you go home. Stir shit there.

      • rhywun

        IMHO “free speech” does not include blocking passage or violent threats.

        To the extent they are committing crimes the non-citizens among them can GTFO.

        they have forfeited the country’s indulgence in allowing them here

        I lean this way myself.

      • Suthenboy

        Muzzled: inalienable rights are inalienable. Yes, furriners here have the same rights as citizens in every respect because they are inalienable to all humans. What they dont have a right to do is come here and stir shit in any way whatsoever. We have plenty of home-grown shit stirrers, we dont need to import more. If you come here you are not a citizen, you are a guest. You have no say in the way we decide to do things here. Respect that or go home.
        If some dude shows up as a guest in my home and starts making a problem I kick him out. My wife on the other hand, this is her home. She can mouth off all she wants. This is not brain surgery.

      • trshmnstr

        I see as more of a question of “Do non-citizens have a right to be in the country?”

        Correct.

        This gets to the core of the free speech issue, too. Is freedom of speech a freedom from all consequences of speech? Clearly not. Is it a freedom from all governmental consequences of speech? That would be insane and impracticable.

        Freedom of speech is the freedom from direct criminal or civil liability for one’s speech. Anything outside of that bubble (such as one’s immigration status, one’s licensure as a professional, etc) is outside the purview of the 1st amendment. There is some SCOTUS case law that muddies the issue with concepts like “chilling effect”, but freedom of speech is not some general bar against government acting on the content of the speech.

        On the other side of the coin, the DoI and the Constitution are framed as the written expression of a natural law. It’s weird to say that natural law only applies to American citizens

      • Raven Nation

        ” “Do non-citizens have a right to be in the country?”

        I would argue that you need to make a distinction between immigrant non-citizen and non-immigrant non-citizen.

        In the period between when I obtained a green card and when I applied for citizenship, I would argue I hold all the rights of a citizen.

    • Gustave Lytton

      I’m ready to revoke and deport several naturalized members of congress. Step two would be to permanently ban naturalized citizens from holding elective office. Lose a Tom Lantos, but there are 300M+ other choices.

    • R C Dean

      Crimes were committed. I don’t know that the organizer personally committed them (I’ll assume not). There is such a thing as conspiracy, aiding and abetting, etc., all of which include a “speech” component de facto, and I’m OK with speech being “criminalized” in that context (see, also, fraud). Being part of a criminal enterprise is not a free speech issue to me. If his involvement with the crimes that were committed is sufficiently close, I have no problem kicking his ass out.

  14. PieInTheSky

    At what distance can the average glib hit a penny size target with the rifle no scope iron sights?

    • Drake

      Every time or a %?

      • PieInTheSky

        say 50 50

      • Drake

        25 yards. Maybe 50 on a calm day if my old eyes cooperate.

    • UnCivilServant

      Which rifle? The Savage Mk II drops off in accuracy pretty sharply between 50 and 100 yards. The Mosin isn’t very accurate to begin with. I’m a deft hand with the 10/22, but it’s set up for a red dot and I don’t want to re-zero it. The Herny… look, .45 Long Colt is expensive, I don’t want to waste it.

      • Grummun

        The Mosin isn’t very accurate to begin with.

        Maybe some dead Soviets disagree.

      • UnCivilServant

        Look, man, not all Mosins were the sniper variant. Mine was line infantry or reserve infantry, and was shot out and soviet refurbed at some point.

      • Grummun

        Mine was line infantry or reserve infantry, and was shot out and soviet refurbed at some point.

        Fair enough. If you can find a Finnish model, any Finnish model, I think you’ll find that shoots better.

        Obligatory on Mosins.

      • DEG

        Obligatory on Mosins.

        I love this.

        Yes, the Finns had higher accuracy standards than the Soviets. I think Doug Bowser (RIP, he died recently, last week I think?) in his “Rifles of the White Death” claimed the standard of the equivalent of a 2″ group at 100 yards. Yes, the Finns would have specified in metric, Bowser was converting as I recall.

      • Rat on a train

        What about American made Imperial Nagants?

      • DEG

        What about American made Imperial Nagants?

        I’d have to check my references, but I think they were using Russian accuracy standards. However, they were originally quite well made, so might have greatly exceeded Russian standards.

    • Muzzled Woodchipper

      I don’t know about rifle, but I shot the eye out of a rat at about 30 yards with a pellet gun when I was 21 or so.

      I’ve always been b a good shot with a rifle. I’d be more challenged with actually seeing the penny at any real distance, especially if the rifle is sighted to have the target behind the blade, rather than resting on top of the blade.

    • Urthona

      one inch

      • Ted S.

        That’s what she said.

    • EvilSheldon

      Probably no farther than 25 feet. This is less about the marksmanship, and more about being able to see the target.

      For comparison purposes, the ‘black’ on an official TQ1/1 50-foot smallbore rifle target is 1.5″ in diameter. Keeping all your hits in the black is considered to be something of an accomplishment.

      • UnCivilServant

        Wait, you can see your targets?

        What kind of eyes do you have?

      • EvilSheldon

        Very good ones. 20/10 while I’m wearing my glasses.

        But I’ve shot target-focus on everything since the early 2Ks, even before I switched over to optics on all my serious guns. Iron sights are for chumps.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Sheldon kinda gets it. The bull on an Olympic 10m air gun target is, as I have pointed out here before, the size of the period at the end of this sentence. English pub shooting (Bell Target), is 3/8″ of an inch, but you have to cleanly hit that to make the bell ring, unlike scored targets.

        Optics are for losers, not competitions.

    • Suthenboy

      25 to 50 yards with a rest, every time. ~ 100 yards with a rest 2 out of 5? At that distance I need the penny on a sheet of white paper with the sun at my back.
      It is not really a matter of hitting the penny, it is a matter of seeing it. My eyesight is not what it used to be.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      Freehand, or supported?

      • PieInTheSky

        well I don;t know supported I guess

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Then the range of vision. Unsupported, Olympians will do 10 meters. No one here is at that level.

      • Not Adahn

        Supported makes a huge difference. With a brace I was consistently shooting the belt buckles out of playing cards at 50′ (when I had the eyesight to do that). Unsupported, same range same gun, I could consistently hit a 6″ circle, but that was it.

      • Rat on a train

        For Army qualification I was perfect in prone supported. In unsupported I always missed a few.

  15. R.J.

    I have never seen the Lincoln bicentennial cents. I need to hunt for those!

    My daughter loves coins because I do. I do agree that most kids now have zero interest in coins. Which is sad.

    • Richard

      Bicentennial Cents are as rare as Wheat Cents in change these days.

  16. Drake

    In the news today – big negotiations over Ukraine happening in Saudi Arabia.

    Remember when Europe had neutral level-headed places like Helsinki, Vienna, and Switzerland where leaders would go for peace talks?

    • grrizzly

      Now Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE are neutral countries for peace talks.

  17. Suthenboy

    Since I have a bit of a coin fetish myself I have two recommendations for you Richard:
    #1 – Change those in to me at face value. I will give you bills in any denomination you wish
    #2 – If not that then hang on to those like they are gold. Hard currency will die soon. Coins and bills will be collector’s items, historical relics. Pass them on to your children.

    If you need any other wisdom ask TPTB for my email. I will be happy to advise you.

    • Richard

      I’m keeping my stash of copper and silver (90%) coins in the case of Everything Goes To Hell. I don’t think most people understand just how fragile our modern civilization is. Sometimes the local grocery store has a “Cash only” sign out because Comcast is having a problem. That’s a minor inconvenience. Imagine what would happen if there was another Carrington Event:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event

      It would be YEARS before the Internet was brought back up.

      • rhywun

        Well, that’s alarming.

  18. Sean

    I got two bicentennial quarters at the car wash last week. I kept them.

    *shrug*

    • UnCivilServant

      I find those on the regular, I lost track of how many I have stashed away.

  19. SarumanTheGreat

    “The copper composition was resumed in 1944″

    Fun fact from a former coin collector: the 1944 and 1945 cents were made from melted down shell casings!

    Drake:

    ” big negotiations over Ukraine happening in Saudi Arabia.”

    And the Ukrain flew 60+ drones at Moscow (all purportedly shut down), obviously trying to provoke Putin.

    • Urthona

      I’m in favor of the depleted uranium penny.

    • Drake

      Doing a big distraction while the Kursk bulge ends in disaster. And while Zelensky himself is safely in Saudi Arabia.

  20. rhywun

    I have never seen or heard of those 2009 pennies. I think you’re making them up.

    Anyway… I fancied myself a coin collector as a kid but these days who has the time. My last interaction with coins was dumping a couple dozen coffee cans (a dozen years worth) of them into a CoinStar before moving a couple years ago so I didn’t have to take them with me. Imagine all the treasures in there! (The machine did spit out a bunch of foreign coins, which are now… somewhere.)

    I don’t think I have used cash since them so my little coin tray near the front door has barely grown at all.

  21. The Other Kevin

    I have a Rubbermaid tote in the basement that has hockey cards, coins and comic books I collected in the 1980’s. Every once in a while I’ll dig into it. Some of my hockey teammates were impressed when I sent pictures of my first run Punisher, Ninja Turtles, and X Men comics.

    I don’t have too many coins, but most are in those collector folders. I’m sure there are a lot of pennies in there. Besides 1982 pennies, are there other things I should look for? I might be emotionally attached to the comic books, but not so much the coins.

    • rhywun

      Buy yourself this book and it will tell you exactly what to look out for.

      I always have a recent edition (OK, within a couple decades) lying around – it’s fun to just browse.

  22. PieInTheSky

    In local news the nutjob was banned from running. Nothing good can come of all this shit. I would rather live less interesting times.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Oribil. I’m sorry.

    • rhywun

      So is the nutjob a real danger or more of a Trump-like “danger”?

      Because our left sure as hell wanted to prevent Trump from running and almost succeeded.

      • PieInTheSky

        imo a much more real danger than Trump. Trump did not say ridiculously unhinged things.

        the issue i the guy says so many insane things he obviously does not believe but get him the moron demographic, you don’t know what he believes

        he is a former commie secret police agent from the orbit of Iliescu (the former president who set up Romania on the rotten path it was post communism) rebranded ngo guy rebranded sovereigntist and probaly was a KGB contact before ’89. Now who knows…

      • PieInTheSky

        But he did manage to make clear the sham that democracy is in our country… so that is a … well nothing in the long run but…

      • rhywun

        Oh shit. “Former” commie. 🙄

        I hope you dodge that bullet.

      • PieInTheSky

        but the retarded western press is not doing itself any favors with the far right talk about the guy who wants to re-industrialize Romania via worker owned cooperative factories… I could say have no idea what this far right shit means anymore but I never did except lefty no likey

      • rhywun

        Yes, “far right” does not mean anything anymore. It has company with other terms that don’t mean anything anymore like “Nazi” and “racist”.

      • Grummun

        Yes, “far right” does not mean anything anymore.

        In the case of Europe, I think “far right” means anyone who thinks that their country should exercise some sovereignty and not just blindly tow the WEF lion, even if their positions otherwise are full commie.

        Unrelated, Rhy, absent any other dog in the fight, I was rooting for the Sabers on your behalf last night. Nice one.

  23. The Late P Brooks

    Of course you know this means war

    “We will not back down. We will be relentless,” Ford said on MSNBC. “I apologize to the American people that President Trump decided to have an unprovoked attack on our country, on families, on jobs, and it’s unacceptable.”

    In an interview on CNBC’s “Money Movers” later Tuesday morning, Ford said he would be willing to shut off his province’s energy supply to the U.S. if Trump “continues to hurt Canadian families.”

    “I won’t hesitate to do that,” Ford said, adding, “that’s the last thing I want to do.”

    ——-

    “There’s one person to be blamed, and that’s President Trump,” Ford said on CNBC. “There’s one person to be blamed if we go into a recession, it will be called the Trump recession. No one else.”

    This situation calls for more kneejerk boilerplate pontification.

    Also- if Canada becomes the 51st state, that means they get representation in Congress. Canadian Senators? Fuck that.

    • The Other Kevin

      Our politicians are bought by Pfizer, these guys will be beholden to Big Coffee.

      • rhywun

        I thought it was Big Maple. Tim’s isn’t that big.

    • Grummun

      Canadian Senators?

      I see what you did there.

  24. The Late P Brooks

    Correction: Justin Trudeau is prime minister of Canada. An earlier version misstated his status.

    That should be “lame duck soon-to-be-former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau”.

  25. The Late P Brooks

    Thievery most foul

    A nonprofit that was awarded nearly $7 billion by the Biden administration to finance clean energy and climate-friendly projects has sued President Donald Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency, accusing it of improperly freezing a legally awarded grant.

    Climate United Fund, a coalition of three nonprofit groups, demanded access to a Citibank account it received through the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund, a program created in 2022 by the bipartisan Inflation Reduction Act and more commonly known as the green bank. The freeze threatens its ability to issue loans and even pay employees, the group said.

    “The combined actions of Citibank and EPA effectively nullify a congressionally mandated and funded program,” Maryland-based Climate United wrote in a Monday court filing.

    In a related action, the Coalition for Green Capital, a separate group that received $5 billion from the Biden-era program, sued Citibank Monday, alleging breach of contract over the refusal to disburse the grant funds awarded by the EPA.

    “Citi’s actions have blocked CGC from deploying funds appropriated by Congress for energy projects to lower electricity costs and provide clean air and water for all Americans,’’ the Washington-based group said in a statement.

    Let’s see an audit. Open the books.

    • rhywun

      Your employees are actively working to destroy the American standard of living.

      “Freezing them out” is us being nice. Pray we don’t alter the deal.

    • rhywun

      lower electricity costs

      One of the bright spots of current year is that most normal people aren’t buying that fantasy anymore. Because, you know, they look at their electric bills.

  26. Fourscore

    I’m tired of Trump already. He still has a lot more shoes to drop, though.

    OTOH, I was tired of him before the election.

  27. Pine_Tree

    Man I wish they’d dump all the dead presidents from coinage. I have a sack of old silver (and some pennies) that my grandmother accumulated, and transitioning to dead politicians was a real downgrade.

    Go back to either stylized Liberty/Justice or something that was historically and conspicuously Native American.

  28. The Late P Brooks

    I’m not a “fanboi” or white knight apologist (as if he needs me for that), but if Trump, Agent of Chaos, manages to stir things up to the point that people are shaken out of their habitual boilerplate positions and forcibly made to examine their preconceptions, it will be worth it. Who knows, maybe some people will even figure what fascism is.

    “Tariffs are always and everywhere bad” works in the land of spherical cows and assumed can openers, but that’s not the world we live in. It took decades to get here; this boat doesn’t turn on a dime.

    Rome wasn’t burned in a day. At least somebody is fanning the flames.