This is a dispatch from the People’s Democratic Republic of New York. The PDRNY does not like the fact that it is still bound by the rules of the larger union of which it is a member. This includes basic things, like the natural right of citizens to self-defense. So, they made getting certain types of weapons illegal to own, and others require a permission slip from the government to possess. In the initial iteration of the permission slip, if the judge had a bad day you could be rejected, because the issuing officer was in no way bound to any objective criteria.
The supreme court of the wider union did not like this and said that the PDRNY was required to issue a permission slip if the applicant met objective criteria. The PDRNY did not like this, and promptly issued new laws making it even worse, and lawsuits are ongoing. However, there was one ray of hope – properly filed applications were less likely to be rejected, at least statistically. However, they still put onerous requirements on the poor citizen who wished to apply. I, being a poor citizen wishing to apply, had to make sure my ducks were in a row.
I am also a procrastinator.
Prior to NYSRPA V Bruen, I used the excuse that there was no point, my application would just get rejected. Besides, I didn’t have any friends four character references who I could divulge to that I was seeking a permit. Afterwards, I still had the problem of identifying character references, but the potential for an objective standard still remained.
So, in December of 2024, I made the decision to finally get the paperwork in and crack on. But that was only the start of things. What ducks did I need to get in a row?
Well, New York still required the four character references who have to fill out a form and be willing to attest that you are not some murdering psychopath or at least can be trusted with a handgun. I found one Glib and three former co-workers who said as much. So, I gave them the form, which after filling out needed to be notarized. Luckily there are plenty of free notaries, though I did offer to cover costs if they incurred any.
I also needed two copies of the state form, duplex printed, which I had to fill out and have the references sign before gluing a 1.5 inch x 1.5 inch picture of myself to, signing and getting notarized. The pictures were an annoyance. Plenty of places do passport photos, but those are 2 inches x 2 inches. I got fed up trying to find a place that would do 1.5 and got an electronic copy of a passport photo and printed it on my own photo printer. The print quality was as good as the place doing printout passport photos. (I also went and got my passport renewed while I was at it). For whatever reason, they wanted four spare photos, loose. Whatever, I can print as many as I need now that I’ve sunk $200 into a dedicated photo printer, paper, and the special plastic sheeting ink that it uses.
Fun fun fun, but at least I was making progress.
The locality had its own additional forms, four pages, asking a lot more detail about my history and immediate family that was really necessary. I haven’t talked to some of these people in over a decade, do I really need to dig up their contact information so you can tell them I’m looking to buy a gun and ask if I should be allowed to? Some of these people hate me.
Whatever, fine, I’ll answer you overly invasive questions.
But there’s another piece of paperwork. They want my driving abstract from the DMV? What does that have to do with anything? *sigh* $7 to the DMV, and I get a PDF that’s so empty it’s comedic. My permanent driving record is so boring it only has one entry – when I got my first license. Yes, I have driven some 200,000 miles and never been pulled over. I hope to keep up this record for a good long time.
Whatever.
All this previous paperwork doesn’t have a time limit attached, but the last two items had to be within thirty days of filing. I needed to have documentation of a pistol safety course and have my fingerprints taken, both on my dime.
Aaaaaand, all of the concealed carry courses were booked up until late February. That wasn’t so bad, I was still wrangling the character reference formed in a minor comedy of errors where I kept having trouble being in the same place as them at the same time.
$300 for a two day, 18 hour course with two hours of live-fire training. The written exam was in the back of our packets and I could have answered it all correctly when I sat down on day one. Literally the only thing I didn’t already know was the current recommended two-handed grip on a handgun. Every so often the current recommended grip will change, I have not kept up on it. The live fire certification standard was four out of five rounds on a torso-sized target at four yards. This is New York’s standard. I thought it was a joke. For me, it was a joke. I got all five of my qualifying shots on the X. I got ten of thirteen in the X. I got thirteen of thirteen in the ten ring. This last one I regard as a failure. I was four yards from the target, on a range.
Anyway, here’s the proof of my shame.
The other people in my class…
Dear God, you people need more range time. How do you miss the paper from Four Yards?
Speaking of my fellow classmates, I took note of the demographics of the participants. There were twenty seats in the class. Of those twenty, sixteen were white, two were black, and two were ethnically ambiguous. There were no Asians, south, east, or west. There were three women, all of whom were white, and were there because of either a male relative gifting them a gun, or being there with their husband. Two of us had a white collar occupation, one of those was me, the other was a financial analyst. The class was overwhelmingly blue collar.
In the class we did our dry fire exercises and live fire training using range-owned handguns. In our case, the range was a Sig dealer, and we used Sig P320s. I hate the Sig P320. Ergonomically it does not fit my hand. The magazine release button and slide release lever were both poorly positioned so that I could not easily manipulate them with my thumb. Worse, the slide release lever was so small that even when I got a thumb on it, I had trouble manipulating it to lock the side back. The grip was too short and the bottom of the pistol dug into the heel of my palm. Oh, and the slide needs to go further back than I expected it to, against a return spring that was overtuned. During the dry fire exercise at one point while trying to get that darn thing locked back, I instead caught my little finger inside the breach as the slide went forward.
That’s even without the knowledge that the P320 is infamous for going off in the holster. I do not want one, Sam I Am.
The last piece of paperwork I needed was to be fingerprinted so they could see if I committed any unsolved crimes. I have not. This was done at the same place where I got fingerprinted for my work background check, only I had to foot the $102 bill this time. Luckily, they use a digital scanner instead of ink pads, so my fingers were still clean after I had my appointment.
So, I have all of my paperwork, and I get to turn it in to the Local Police Department who will turn it over to the county, who will eventually turn it over to a judge to be rejected approved. At some point, the State Police will run a background check, but I’m boring, so nothing will turn up. I was worried that the PD guy would dissect the answers on the form and query me about it. This did not happen. Indeed, he was surprised that I had all of my paperwork in order, as most applicants seem to be sloppy and some do not even get their character references to notarize their forms as clearly stated on the form.
Dudes, these are the same people who would previously reject an application for being filled out with the wrong color ink (did not follow instructions, instructions say use Black ink, applicant used Blue). And you didn’t get it notarized?
Anyway, not my form, not my monkeys. I had everything in order and filed. Now comes the waiting.
In all previous discussions I had heard that my county was notoriously slow, with times quoted as anywhere from six months to two years, with one full year being common. The police detectives, however, were insistent that it was one to three months these days. We’ll see. I have some pistols I want to buy.
Assuming nothing goes sideways, where can I bring my future handguns? According to the state police, I am not permitted to carry in…
1 Any location owned or under control of federal, state, or local government for the purpose of government administration, including courts;
2 Any location providing health, behavioral health, or chemical dependence care or services;
3 Places of worship except for those persons responsible for security at such place of worship;
4 Libraries, public playgrounds, public parks, and zoos, ; provided that for the purpose of this section a “public park” shall not include (i) any privately held land within a public park not dedicated to public use or (ii) the forest preserve as defined in subdivision six of section 9-0101 of the environmental conservation law;
5 NYS Office of Children and Family Service licensed or funded facilities (childcare facilities);
6 Nursery schools, preschools, summer camps, provided that for the purposes of this section, nothing shall prohibit the activity permitted under subdivisions seven-c, seven-d, and seven-e of section 265.20 of this article where such activity occurs at a summer camp in accordance with all applicable local, state, and federal laws, rules, and regulations;
7 NYS Office for People with Developmental Disabilities licensed or funded facilities;
8 NYS Office of Addiction Services and Supports licensed or funded facilities;
9 NYS Office of Mental Health licensed or funded facilities;
10 NYS Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance licensed or funded facilities;
11 Homeless shelters, family shelters, domestic violence shelters;
12 NYS Department of Health licensed or funded residential facilities;
13 Colleges, universities, private schools, public schools, and other educational institutions;
14 Public transportation and transit facilities;
15 Bars and restaurants serving alcohol, and on-premises cannabis consumption locations;
16 Theaters, stadiums, racetracks, museums, amusement parks, performance venues, concert halls, exhibit halls, conference centers, banquet halls, gaming facilities, video lottery terminal facilities as licensed by the gaming commission;
17 Polling places;
18 Public sidewalks and other public areas that are restricted from general public access for a limited time or special event;
19 Gatherings of people to collectively express their constitutional rights to assemble or protest;
21 Times Square (with boundaries determined by New York City).
Actually, 21 – All of Downstate, since an upstate permit is not recognized by NYC. So not only does New York not have reciprocity with other states, it does not have reciprocity with ITSELF.
Wait… “19 Gatherings of people to collectively express their constitutional rights to assemble or protest;” So I can’t carry at a 2nd Amendment Rally?
These clauses are currently being litigated, along with many of the other unconstitutional laws in place infringing upon the right to keep and bear arms. So, depending upon when you read this, these may already have changed.
Well, now I get to wait. By objective standards there is no cause to reject my application. But the PDRNY is strongly opposed to armed citizens, and my county is second only to downstate in that enmity. When this is over, if things go as planned, I will post a picture of Steak A La Sean with my first pistol. If it does not, well, I will be quite vocal instead.
I already know what my first two pistols must be. I know Not Adahn wants me to get a CZ for #3, but I’m open to recommendations. Whatever #3 is, it’ll be a competition gun, for shooting sports, and has to fit an optic.
To elaborate on how my little finger got bit.
The incident was during the live fire drills while trying to lock the slide back with the hand over technique. So I had my right hand on the grip and my left folded over the back of the slide, trying to pull it all the way to the “further than I expect” rearward position with the sharpened edges of the rear sight digging into my hand. My thumb was having difficulty reaching and moving the tiny, ill-situated slide release lever to lock it. The slide on the P320 has only three fingerwidths of grip space behind the ejection port, so the little finger on my left hand was hanging out in open air. I lost my grip and the slide slammed forward. My little finger was partially in the ejection port, and was hit by the slide, bounced off the rim of the breach, then thankfully out of the mechanism before it could become trapped. No serious injury occurred.
Note, if you don’t have giant sausage fingers suited to oversized gloves, or if the ergonomics of the P320 are a better fit to the size of your mitts in general, this may not happen to you.
My story that I made up about how you got injured involves you fending off venemous ducks and zombeavers.
Your version is more reality based. I guess.
Nope.
‘Fraid so.
Would you like a jelly baby?
It’s true! They say the evil one eats babies.
Really? That counts me out.
I am quite a character but I don’t live in New York. Does that count?
It depends what county you’re in. At least for me, the references needed to be local.
I cannot be of assistance then.
Now if you move to Texas, I can help you by taking you to a gun store to buy a gun with only federal paperwork.
Because we are constitutional carry.
I0b0t, OldManConCandy, Webdom, Notadama, rhywun, am I missing anyone? Spud, as he owns property, but might not be a residence.
Ted’S
Could I just use the characters in my head?
No, those count as relatives.
I love living in America.
Good for you Mister Uncut Freedom Fries.
😜
hey, spud, you gonna be in Idaho tomorrow? Boise, specially?
Sounds like a threat!
Nah, I am in Coeur d’Alene heading to Vegas, and either need to stop in Boise or Poca, not sure which just yet.
Here’s a jpeg. Knock yourselves out.
“Rejected – Did not follow instructions”
@TOG from the dedthread
“THE ARISTOCRATS”
You’re fucking awesome.
/goes to watch the Gilbert Gottfried version
/curtseys to TC
Not to be confused with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEL-RsUsKlw
Dear God, you people need more range time. How do you miss the paper from Four Yards?
They were only there to keep an eye on YOU.
*adjusts tin foil hat*
I was doing an escape room with some young friends. One section of a puzzle required shooting metal knockdown targets with a BB gun.
From less than 3 feet away.
Nobody could do it. I ended up popping all the targets after 5 minutes of other people trying. How do you miss at that range?
…
3 feet is the range at which I execute mice who’ve been caught in a trap but not instantly killed. I use an air gun so as to not damage my floor. I had to switch to a weaker air gun because the first one did damage my floor.
I’m assuming these targets were at least mouse-sized or larger.
(Note, it has been a while since there has been mouse sign in my house.)
Yes. Looking down the sights the targets were larger than the barrel silhouette. You could only miss if you were totally blind. I wear trifocals now and I didn’t miss.
🐁🧀
::knocks wood, tries to recall other appropriate superstitious rituals::
🤞🧂
🐰 🦶
If I’d been witnessing someone shooting with such bad aim, I think I’d have been inclined to back slowly out of the room. 😳
Come to Iowa. Constitutional Carry.
Iowa has some of the most hospitable people I’ve ever met.
NYS makes PDRNJ seem easy.
It’s still fucking ridiculous here, but better than that to own. Although pre Bruen it was impossible to carry in NJ.
Of course we still have the stupid ass hollow point restriction.
“I am also a procrastinator.” <– I haven't done my taxes yet. I had four employers in '25. (Five? Maybe.) That'll be tedious. I got a handsome return of my own money last year. I hope it continues!
I'd also be out with four, non-family references. One, for sure. Another is currently living in South America, if that'd count. (Persian-Canadian. Huge Yankee fan. Fucker.) After that? Kinda fucked.
This is a fun piece, especially reading your irritation. I've fired many guns, and even a Civil War recreation cannon. (That… was epic. Damn.) But I've never owned one and certainly shouldn't. It seems a remarkably bad idea. I don't want to risk crossing any streams.
“How do you miss the paper from Four Yards?”
Be a cop?
Only one of the other students was a ‘Peace Officer’ but he was a corrections officer trainee.
I thought the kings men were just handed guns like cough drops. They need a license?
Corrections Officers are a lower grade and can’t carry off-duty without a permit.
Nevermind that they can’t carry on-duty most of the time either.
No wonder they went on strike.
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge blocked enforcement of President Donald Trump’s executive order banning transgender people from military service on Tuesday, the latest in a string of legal setbacks for his sweeping agenda.
U.S. District Judge Ana Reyes in Washington, D.C., ruled that Trump’s order to exclude transgender troops from military service likely violates their constitutional rights. She was the second judge of the day to rule against the administration, and both rulings came within hours of an extraordinary conflict as Trump called for impeaching a third judge who temporarily blocked deportation flights, drawing a rare rebuke from Chief Justice John Roberts.
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This is getting nuts. Legit constitutional crisis erupting.
I do believe that is outside of the scope of her court.
I don’t know what the EO says but sigh… if it actually says “we don’t accept transgender folx” that just feeds the delusion that people are “born in the wrong body” and will lead to civil rights agitation.
It could or should instead be something as simple as “We won’t pay for elective, experimental procedures like sex changes.” That would probably weed out ninety percent of those trying to game the system.
What? You don’t believe that your average green haired freak who thinks that self mutilation is the key to happiness are there because they want to defend the country?
Even simplier: the armed forces is a select group of volunteers that require deployment readiness at a moments notice. Standards will reflect that.
If flat feet cant join, why can someone who needs constant medical attention?
Yes. And all because they hate Trump. Which means they hate the American people who put him there and who overwhelmingly support what he’s doing.
Interesting. I assumed that this was a temporary injunction, which is easy to get but typically is only in effect for two weeks (if that).
But no, Judge Reyes’ order was a preliminary injunction, which is a whole other ball of wax. That assumes that the tranny soldiers are substantially likely to prevail in court, and can make the rest of the armed services play pretend along with them.
The judge *did* stay her order to give the government time to appeal — to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals (good luck getting anywhere with that bunch). And I wouldn’t be surprised if SCOTUS denies cert.
Constitutional right to serve on their own terms? I do need a couple more years to get my twenty. Maybe I should demand to reenlist and refuse to do anything until I get my retirement letter.
Chris Bray from the Tell Me How This Ends Substack read the order, and let’s just say he’s unconvinced.
I’ll post this again in the Mourning links so a bigger audience (and some of our lawya Glibs) can have a go at it.
Those clerks are going to be the dominant faction on the Supreme Court a generation from now. 🙁
Hello everyone. Don’t reply I’m off to bed
Replies, “Don’t tell me what to do.”
Come back some time when you can’t stay as long.
Funny you said that. Im making a game that utilizes paradoxical statements.
DenverJ!
Ten-ish years ago, Ohio’s shooting test for CCW was similar, but used a round pie plate-sized target. (I forget the distance.) When I was either practicing or testing, the class assistant running the suspended targets up and down the lane of the indoor range kept moving my target backwards on me. Stinker worked at the range on Sundays, our usual day to visit each week, and knew I’d been getting plenty of practice. 😒 (Spoiler: I passed easily anyway.)
As of June ’22, Ohio no longer requires a carry permit, and I just realized my five-year renewal permit expired this past November. If it’s still possible to do so, it might have been prudent to renew it anyway in case other states that still require a permit have reciprocity with Ohio.
Reciprocity is why I have a permit in AZ. Lets me carry in the neighboring states, except of course CA, and really just about any state I’m likely to want to go to.
This is why the Dems didnt go into destruction mode. The courts will save them.
2021 – courts regularaly deferred to state houses and Congress.
2025 – we are the captain now
I’m not sure how it ends well if the ‘higher’ courts don’t step back and reign this in. If the courts become the effective arm of the administrative state and force the adoption of neo-marxist/post-modern governance contra the desires of a substantial portion, if not a majority, of the electorate, the electorate becomes the ruled and we are fully in tyranny. The options at that point are decent into the natural state of man – poverty, oppression, death – or decent in civil unrest or worse. Neither is a good option. But it those in power provide no other option, we know from history how it ends.
🍿 when the hooded fucksticks realize how thin the rule of law and civilization really is.
Start with a judge in another circuit explicitly overturning the nationwide injunction and issuing a subpoena to the judge who issued it to appear to explain why it should be valid in a place where he has no jurisdiction. That should at least get the case to the Supremes lickety-split, although who knows how Roberts will rule.
Yup.
Try harder!
/am I being detained?
Nice shooting UCS. My only pistol is a Sig P226. Would recommend.
Breaking News:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/03/18/national-archives-releases-jfk-files/
20,000 pages and probably nothing of substance. But I guess we’ll see.
I posted this JFK document in the dead thread: https://imgur.com/a/KViNYyg
I’m personally hoping for a signed confession from Oswald saying “I did it all by myself because I’m a filthy commie.”
That would be the best.
100 percent the latter part of that confession is true.
I’m expecting stuff like this
Back in the Covid days, some groups of protesters took an armed contingent with them, reasoning that the state’s goons would be less likely to rough them up if said goons realized that they could wind up leaking for getting out of line.
A bunch of state legislatures took note of this, and decided that you can exercise your First Amendment rights or your Second Amendment rights, but not both at the same time.
Why did it take so long? California banned open carry in 1967 after the Black Panthers protested peacefully at the state capitol while carrying rifles.
LA has had prohibitions on carry during parades for a while. One that stuck in my head when I was looking at moving there.
Ok, which one of you is this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/1jdht85/honk_honk/#lightbox
Probably an Aussie or a Kiwi.
https://www.ancap.com.au/
My VW is cooler.
Uh, happy Spring eve? Or something.
😎🐣☕🐛🌞
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=37ncqG_AoJk
🎶🎶
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/first-day-of-spring-the-difference-between-meteorological-and-astronomical-spring/335725
Good morning, Sean, Roat, homey, and Stinky!
Morning.
Good morning, U! How are you today?
Can anyone sit at this Cool Kids table and wish you folx a happy morning?
Even though it is clearly evening. I’m polite and will go along with you reality denying freaks and pretend it is morning.
I got up at a normal time yesterday. I stayed awake all day. I went to bed at 10pm. I couldn’t fall asleep until well after 2am (I only looked at the clock once because it had felt like I’d been laying there all night and hadn’t gotten a wink. I did eventually fall asleep and overslept, finally dragging myself out of bed around when I would normally be leaving the house. I made it to the office where people are talking and I’m getting irritated at the sound of their voices.
Jimbo, you’re sitting on the wrong side of the planet.
Good evening, Your Holiness!
U, I only saw the home page image for your post this morning. Did you generate that via AI?
UCS. Not sure it is the wrong side of the planet. Sure is healthy here.
We are staying out on the in-law’s farm and every meal is about 80% stuff that was harvested out of their fields and 20% stuff from the store. Been pretty nice.
@GT – Yes that came out of the AI image generator I have on my home machine. I forget the exact prompt, but that was the best I got for it.
Evening your holiness
Well done AI image, U! In context, the post’s title obscures the subtle weirdness in a couple of details.
Yeah, you don’t see the fact that he’s sitting In the wall.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/crime/general/lumberton-mayor-accused-of-driving-drunk-after-picking-up-her-2-year-old-from-day-care/ar-AA1BaUco
Equality! Inclusion!
The shelter of mother’s little helper should come from a pill bottle, not a liquor bottle.
I had a client once who got a DUI when he was driving his kids to elementary school. Another drunk t-boned them as they were trying to pull into the school parking lot.
This was in one – if not the most – tony school districts in the state. Two drunks at the school parking lot at 8 am. That was the first time my client saw the light and swore off the booze.
My client was always on one of his reformed addict/bible thumper jags when I worked with him. He would constantly fall off the wagon and go on coke/booze binges. His wife was made of sterner stuff and never quit the booze and drugs.
suh’ fam
whats goody
“US judge blocks Trump’s transgender military ban”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-blocks-trumps-transgender-military-ban-2025-03-18/
Semper fi and let your freak flag fly apparently. Now I see why the Dems seemed relatively unpanicky when Trump won this time, they have plenty of the judges in their pocket. On the plus side, maybe this’ll motivate him to cajole the shitbirds in congress to actually pass legislation that’s a lot harder to undo but I won’t hold my breath.
Now to get a judge to overturn the height-weight and other physical standards.
Sorry sarge, can’t stand watch…too busy dilating my new mangina.
Whellchair bound? Why not. Its their truth and honor and apparently a Constitutional ‘right’.
We need a cripple brigade quick!
Doesn’t Kevin know a bunch of people who wound up in their wheelchairs because of a military injury?
I don’t know why the same reasoning wouldn’t apply to legislation banning trannies from the military.
Yes, we have a real Constitutional crisis on our hands here. Aside from the appalling “reasoning” of this particular decision, this and others have judges asserting executive authority and taking over (aspects of) administration of the executive branch.
This has to be Roberts’ worst nightmare. His number one priority has been to preserve the legitimacy and reputation of the Supreme Court. These rulings present, not just doctrinal/jurisdictional issues of the extent of judicial authority and how its exercised, but also a procedural nightmare of how to prevent judges from sticking their dicks in with these kinds of injunctions that will stay on the books for some period of time regardless of whether they are eventually overturned.
Sure, sure, Congress could do a lot to solve this. *eyeroll*
Northern Virginia legislators urge Youngkin to sign bill for paid family and medical leave
Only 12 weeks? There should be no limit.
Here in PDRNY, the “paid” family leave is a separate tax that is something like 10% the size of my state income tax payments.
No. It is only the price of a cup of copy, for now. It will rachet up over time until it covers unlimited time off for the loss of an imaginary friend.
Yup. Originally sold as less than $1 a week. Thanks to Cuomo’s fucking lockdowns, I didn’t get a raise between October 2019 and early 2021, so could see the tax rise on the same income from something like $1.60 per biweekly check to about $5.20.
It needs to be a tax only on the employer so politicians can claim credit for the benefit but blame employers for the cost.
Sure, you have 1A and 2A rights. Just not simultaneously.
I don’t get the laws where somebody from one state can get rung up as they drive through another state.
How do hunters handle that bullshit? I remember when times were booming in the ’00s and hunters from Virginia started showing up in Western NoDak to hunt pheasants. After seeing some of these stories about people getting punished for driving through NJ with a gun, I don’t know if I’d dare drive that far through so many states.
The only law I have to worry about hunting in NoDak is that I need to remember to case my guns when I hit the Minnesoda border. NoDak allows you to have an uncased gun in the car (but no shell in the chamber). Although, Minnesoda has eased up on its regulations for cased guns if I remember correctly.
Thankfully DC doesn’t patrol its small section of the Wilson Bridge.
What most Americans don’t know about Lee Harvey Oswald is that he sometimes bleached his hair.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/180-10110-10100.pdf
Hockey kept me up and I forgot my work vest. Wed is dead so far. I’m on oversized duty for the first time. (Winston’s Mom awaits…)
It feels like higher-up factory work, a rung above picking cherries and chocolate.
I picked up bday cards and decorations for two folk yesterday. Their celebration of their daughter’s party felt so disengaged, w me as the real event planner.
Later today I have a talk to help prepare for my voca rehab appt tomorrow.
I still haven’t told y’all about the new additions to my skeletan. The Evskelton became more dynamic. I should be studied.
Thanks for the write-up.
Do you have a particular shooting sport you’re leaning towards? Or a particular type of fun you prefer shooting (other than optic-equipped?)
I ask because among the Big Two there is a bit of disagreement about which guns are basic bitch handguns and which are fancy.
Also there are tremendous variations among the maintenance requirements/tinkering capacity.
I prefer easier maintenance.
I haven’t done a lot of research into the variations in shoting sports because they weren’t an option yet. So I can’t answer that part.