Oops Morning Open Post

by | Apr 3, 2025 | Open Post | 260 comments

Okay, I fucked up. Here’s a couple of links to make up for it.

Let the panic begin. Yes, although I’m on the fence, I’ve taken it in the shorts the last couple of months.

Speaking of taking it in the shorts.

Of course they were already in prison. That’s what they said they were going to do. No, don’t go after the ones in custody first. That would be stupid.

We have this issue with some fields of medicine. With a massive influx of transplants, expect a three month way for a specialist.

Thank you for increasing supply and reducing the housing prices for Americans. Syrup slurping, floppy headed puck slappers.

Okay, that’s enough to whet your appetite. I’m going back to bed.

Our morning poster is apparently still engaged with Winston’s Mom for… payment… for yesterday’s post.

Appropriate music for the current day.

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260 Comments

  1. Common Tater

    These things happen.

    • SDF-7

      A little early — but understandable in spirit.

    • Evan from Evansville

      It’s lunchtime.

  2. SDF-7

    STEVE SMITH OWN UP — MORNING POSTER STILL BEING DEBRIEFED BY PROMINENT FOREST LAWYER!

    • rhywun

      AND BY DEBRIEFED MEAN NOT EVEN EUPHEMISMING!

  3. Spudalicious

    YES, EVERYBODY!!! Spud just woke up in a panic and realized I completely biffed this morning. My bad. We can’t always keep the trains running on time.

    • Sean

      I need to speak to a manager.

    • Rat on a train

      Well, you just lost my vote for dictator.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Well, you are the one who knows about trains.

      • R C Dean

        And props on dissing Spud with a tater joke, too.

    • SDF-7

      No reason to get starchy about it folks… It is tough to open that many eyes in the morning and sprout up.

      • db

        All eyes are on him now

    • Ted S.

      I would have blamed Sloopy or Banjos since they normally do the morning links. 🙂

      • R C Dean

        Yeah, I was thinking Sloopy or Banjos, err, engaged with Winston’s Mom would be surprising. No judgment, though.

    • bacon-magic

      I’m rooting for you.

    • EvilSheldon

      Winston’s Mon wouldn’t unlock the pillory until the credit card goes through?

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      Stalinist.

      • Ted S.

        I believe the US has never been a party to the ICC, or at least the treaty that created it.

      • rhywun

        Ah, right.

  4. PieInTheSky

    I AM BOYCOTTING YOUR SHITTY AMERICAN WHISKY AND WINE

    • UnCivilServant

      I would joke about you sticking to the good stuff… but I couldn’t distill a good punch line from my myriad ideas

      • PieInTheSky

        these are serious times not the moment to be fishing for a pun thread

      • SDF-7

        You could have just posted what you could mash together in your head. It would keep up your spirits.

      • SDF-7

        these are serious times not the moment to be fishing for a pun thread

        For the love of God, Montresor!

      • Nephilium

        You guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

      • UnCivilServant

        I have to assume Pie just wants to Loaf about and ignore the possibilities.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        And there goes Pie, I think he just wanted to wine about it.

  5. SDF-7

    Odd guest editorial — I didn’t really see “The US should unfreeze funds so we can track down Ukranian children” on my bingo card… One has to wonder why this can’t be funded by donations if this group really wants to do it — or why some group a trifle closer to the Urals can’t be doing it, Mr. Whitley. (See also: FedGov is not the world’s piggy bank)

    Hopefully not tromping on anyone’s Star Links… a little misleading in the headline… no sats have been launched yet… just plans. And I doubt I’m the only one wondering about both LEO overcrowding and signal interference with the existing Starlink system. But competition is good…. even if I don’t trust Bezos on a gut level [he hypocritically says while having a Prime membership to save on shipping…]

    • R C Dean

      Current day, I don’t think an editorial that boils down to “gimme da muneez” qualifies as odd.

  6. slumbrew

    “Morning links DESTROYED due to tariffs”

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      “Constitutional crisis” as links are cancelled due to trump exec. Order

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      Wouldn’t making the dollar weaker be exactly what Trump wants?

      Half of what he’s saying is that other countries are doing currency manipulation to increase their exports.

      • Sensei

        It is, but it’s not what was expected which makes one wonder if this rest of the world is wising up to other structural issues.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        Only time will tell Sensei.

      • WTF

        So, farmers need to be shielded from potentially longer growing seasons?
        Sure, sure they do.

      • DrOtto

        @WTF – longer growing season = more supply = lower prices. It’s a request for price supports.

      • rhywun

        Animal is VIP now anyway… oo la la!

    • Common Tater

      “Only until the next day when Badlands announced on social media that they would ban any MAGA attire in their establishment to make sure patrons felt “safe.””

      OFFS!

      • WTF

        Let’s all memory-hole the fact that Trump was publicly in favor of gay marriage when Obama was still saying marriage was between a man and a woman. And at a Trump rally during his 2016 campaign a rainbow flag was unfurled on stage to enthusiastic applause.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        It has nothing to do with supposed LGB rights, WTF. It has everything to do with SAC being a company town.

      • rhywun

        Yeah gay bars are very much groupthink.

        Haven’t visited one in a couple decades.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      You would need to head up to Roseville, or out to Rancho Cambodia, for more MAGA acceptance. Badlands seems to be in the Lavender Gulch area, it came to being long after my SAC tenure, and thus is part of the CAPUBSEC circuit.

  7. Common Tater

    “A Pennsylvania woman who admitted to fabricating kidnapping and rape allegations against a stranger whom she “specifically targeted” because she thought he was “creepy” last year is paying for her lies.

    Anjela Borisova Urumova, 20, was sentenced to from 45 days to 23 months in Bucks County Correctional Facility on Tuesday by Judge Stephen A. Corr, according to the Bucks County District Attorney’s Office.

    She was also sentenced to one year of probation, ordered to have no contact with the victim, pay him $3,600 in restitution, and is required to undergo a mental health evaluation.

    In January, Urumova — who was facing 17 years in prison — pleaded guilty to seven misdemeanor counts, including tampering with or fabricating physical evidence and false reports.

    The lies led to an innocent man, Daniel Pierson, being jailed for 31 days until she admitted to making them up.”

    https://nypost.com/2025/04/03/us-news/pennsylvania-woman-anjela-borisova-urumova-who-wrongfully-accused-stranger-of-rape-and-kidnapping-sentenced-to-jail/

    Well, that’s some progress from not charging these women at all, but still too light of a sentence for trying to ruin someone’s life.

    • UnCivilServant

      The sentence for a false allegation should be the same as that for the crime being alleged.

      • SDF-7

        Maybe… I lean towards “more” depending on what the false allegation sentence would have been (if you’re in a “rape conviction equals death penalty” zone it would be hard to go past that, after all). This sort of allegation tends to stick regardless of exoneration — people either don’t hear about that it is a lie or think “There must have been something”, etc… that seems like an ongoing situation well beyond the possible incarceration that these lying liars should have to atone for somehow to me.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        sentenced to from 45 days to 23 months…was facing 17 years in prison

        I’d settle for at least making it less arbitrary.

    • PieInTheSky

      except for escorts I would assume there is no conflict of interest if you just pay for a blowjob now and then

      • slumbrew

        “Thai hookers are still cool, right?”

    • SDF-7

      “What took you so long?” asks everyone on the planet.

      Well that and “Look at Swallwell — probably shouldn’t just be ‘In China’, idiots.”

    • Rat on a train

      It doesn’t apply to Congress.

    • Fourscore

      Are indecent thoughts allowed? Fantasies? Dreams? A wink and a nod?

      /Curious in Podunkville

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      Derpity derp derp.

      How are we so dumb about stuff like this? I don’t get it.

    • The Other Kevin

      This is like the 1,000th time this year where I’ve asked, “Wait, that wasn’t already a thing?”

  8. Common Tater

    “A married Illinois special education teacher accused of molesting a 15-year-old student told police that she’s being set up by the teen — and that she was targeted for being “good looking.”

    Christina Formella, 30, a teacher and soccer coach at Downers Grove South High School, insisted to cops she’s a “good person,” but that “everybody” comes after her because of her looks, according to documents obtained by WGN9.

    The sporty dirty blonde denied having sex with the teenage student, and said that he accused her of having an inappropriate relationship with him because she “cared too much about him,” the documents show….

    “She claimed that one day, [the boy] had grabbed her phone unattended, had entered her passcode … had sent the message to his phone, had then deleted the message from her phone, and had saved it to his phone as blackmail,” the court documents read.”

    https://nypost.com/2025/04/02/us-news/christina-formella-says-she-was-accused-of-molesting-boy-15-because-shes-good-looking/

    She sounds like a narcissist.

      • UnCivilServant

        It was the universal luggage code : 12345

      • Nephilium

        I would guess by watching the teacher. Most people aren’t exactly careful about entering in passcodes or PINs. Depending on how it was locked, it could have been unlocked with a picture too.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      A dirty, dirty blond.

    • bacon-magic

      So a special education student outsmarted you? That’s your defense?

      • Jarflax

        I mean she is a special ed teacher. I’d say this would be a hard match to handicap.

    • Not Adahn

      Including the photo of her in a “cougars” jersey was a nice touch.

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      Maybe, but she did it tho.

  9. PieInTheSky

    NEW: 17-year-old 4.0 student stabbed in the heart at a high school track event in Frisco, Texas, dies in his twin brother’s arms.

    Horrifying.

    Austin Metcalf was attacked after telling a teen from a different school that he was sitting in the wrong spot.

    Karmelo Anthony has been been arrested and charged with first-degree murder.

    https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1907596790368710879

    Man and he was just about to be inducted into the Hall of Fame

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      What a waste, thanks for the nutpunch.

  10. R C Dean

    “Of course they were already in prison. That’s what they said they were going to do.”

    I’m struggling with how WaPo’s big expose that ICE has been nabbing known criminal migrants in custody isn’t an indictment of the previous administration’s policy of ignoring known criminal migrants, even when they know exactly where they are.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      As soon as they touch the soil of the US, they gain citizenship!

      It is kind of like the method of government we have, King of the Hill. See, this is why they were so freaked out over January 6th. I just one MAGA got the speakers gavel, they would have lost control of the house.

    • Tonio

      “In total, nearly 74 percent of those arrested were already known to ICE…”

      Yeah, they totally don’t realize that even the midwits1 will ask why those people were still here, and even the slow-witted will understand once someone points it out to them. I love it when WaPo shoots itself in the foot.

    • UnCivilServant

      Are we talking about the people or the music?

      because the Beatles were never that good, most covers of their songs are better than the originals

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      John is looking pretty rough these days.

  11. Common Tater

    “And the murder suspect is Bonnell’s wife Shana Cloud, 50.

    According to investigators, the licensed nurse shot her 50-year-old husband multiple times, then chopped up his body and threw his dismembered remains in the water.

    Only his torso has been found. The whereabouts of the rest of his body – including his head – is currently unknown.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14564017/clint-bonnell-murder-wife-shana-cloud-yoga-teacher.html

    Go big or go home.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      Sounds like she lost his head over some petty flirting.

    • WTF

      Don’t stick it in crazy.

      • DrOtto

        Erections have consequences.

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      ‘Bonnell and Cloud were both still living under the same roof in their $500,000, two-bed, two-bath home set on a remote 15-acre property along Butler Nursery Road (pictured)’

      Yeah. That wasn’t smart.

  12. pedantic

    ehhh we are all screwed ya? Maybe not Depression era screwed, but this seems monumentally stupid. And all to bring back mercantilism and shitty manufacturing jobs.

    While I didn’t vote for him, I’ve been defending a lot of Trump actions from my more liberal friends. But…permitting reform and DOGE cutting like 1% of the budget absolutely pale in comparison to the negative effect of worldwide tariffs.

    Frankly I’m not sure Biden did anything that was this bad, and I fucking hated Biden.
    Open to being proven wrong

    • Sensei

      Unchecked immigration.

      Pre market is 5% down. I’m not at all happy, but I’m willing to hold judgement to see what the final damage will be. And note I’m saying damage not gains.

      • rhywun

        Unchecked immigration.

        This.

        And yes, we have to wait and see.

        So, mercantilism, and a complete tossing out of the concept of comparative advantage.

        Well, yes. That was the promise for better or worse.

        But IMHO a lot of that “comparative advantage” has had negative consequences for some of us like millions of useless, out of work drug addicts, and reliance on unfriendly regimes like China for basic needs/minerals/etc.

      • Jarflax

        I’m willing to bet that the S&P 500 closes this year out over 6500, it is under 5500 at the moment.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        I agree with Jarflax- I think the exporter nations have more to lose than we do, and will probably come to some agreement with Trump to avoid their own economies taking a dive.

        Seems like a buying opportunity, but only time will tell… I could be way off and this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

      • Sensei

        When I said “damage” I meant short term. Appreciation by year end is certainly (and hopefully) possible.

    • SDF-7

      Eh — I’m more in the “Let’s see what happens” camp.

      1) I think most of the feckless idiots leading countries will come to an understanding pretty quickly anyway.

      2) I’m pretty adamantly anti-Chinese Communist Party and think offshoring to them is a terrible idea and the COVID era proved how much vital stuff (medicines, medical gear) beyond the normal manufacturing we think of is tied up over there to be used against us. I’m in favor of national security by having secured manufacturing of vital supplies, sorry.

      3) If the reporting I saw yesterday (briefly — because I have lots of my own damned work to do this week) is accurate, these are reciprocal and typically half of what other countries were already doing to us. They want them gone? Free our trade into their country. As such, I can’t get very worked up about it. (If that’s wrong and some of these are unilateral towards prior free trade [outside of China for the reasons stated], then I’m not thrilled about it… but then we go back to (1) and assume there’s a policy reason.)

      • Nephilium

        A quick search provided this website with the images from the X thread with the countries’ [modified] tariff rates on us are, and what we are starting to impose.

      • pedantic

        If they were literally just a reciprocal tariff based on their rate of tariffs on us, it’s still cutting our own noses but at least there’s a fairness logic to it and leaves clear room for negotiation. It seems those chart numbers though were based more on the trade deficits, not tariff rates (see “Brazil”). So, mercantilism, and a complete tossing out of the concept of comparative advantage.

        I do get why we would want some things manufactured here for security reasons, like having the ability to manufacture our own planes, warships, and military tech. But honestly our military is still far and away the strongest in this globalized era, so I’m not really seeing the urgency of this level of action. Any perceived degradation in our warfighting capability is pretty much entirely self-inflicted, it’s not China subjecting us to death by powerpoint and mandated diversity quotas.

      • PieInTheSky

        If the reporting I saw yesterday (briefly — because I have lots of my own damned work to do this week) is accurate- highly unlikely that any adjustment for currency manipulation and trade barriers can be accurate.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Pedantic:

        It isn’t just the military stuff. The worm turned for me a bit on free trade during the pandemic when it became clear that a lot of our medicine was being manufactured in China.

        I love the idea of free trade and comparative advantages, but in reality it seems that a country does have to hedge its bets to a certain degree so that it can provide the basics during emergencies.

        I’m not a fan of these tariffs, but I’m more open minded about the idea than I was in 2019.

      • Urthona

        These are not only reciprocal — a 10% base tax applied — and the reciprocal list is nonsense based on a misunderstanding of trade.

    • Nephilium

      Frankly I’m not sure Biden did anything that was this bad, and I fucking hated Biden.

      Seriously?

      Ukraine money laundering comes to mind. Vaccine mandates are up there. Being in office while obviously unfit…

      • SDF-7

        Mass government driven censorship leaps to mind as well.

        Prosecution of political enemies (not just OMB, I’m really thinking of school board parents, abortion clinic praying grandmas, etc.)

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Open borders…

        Vacant executive branch…

      • Rat on a train

        It wasn’t a mandate. You either got the jab or you were deemed to have quit.

      • pedantic

        Mandates, yeah you can make an argument for that.

        But Ukraine money laundering? I’m not saying Biden didn’t do bad things (he did lots), but how many of them compare to completely trashing the concept of free trade across borders?

        Perhaps I’m being hyperbolic, it’s early. But I would be stocking up on guns if Biden did this kind of thing

      • PieInTheSky

        Ukraine money laundering comes to mind – probably not that costly

        Vaccine mandates are up there – yes, but I assume a Trump admin would have done the same

        Being in office while obviously unfit – this showed that the president does not runt the country for those with eyes to see…

      • WTF

        how many of them compare to completely trashing the concept of free trade across borders?

        I’m not a fan of tariffs, but the idea that we had free trade across borders before Trump imposed (mostly) reciprocal tariffs is a bit ridiculous.

      • Jarflax

        Reciprocal tariffs are trashing the concept of free trade? So it was free when there was a tariff in one direction but it becomes unfree when the other side adds a tariff?

      • The Other Kevin

        Getting us this/close to a nuclear war comes to mind.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Fucking around in Ukraine is not a big deal, unless you’re a dead Ukrainian or Russian.

      • pedantic

        Well no we didn’t have completely free trade across borders prior to this, because pure any “ism” doesn’t exist. But it was a lot freer 6 months ago than it was today.

        And again, these are not actually recipricol tariffs.

      • Nephilium

        pedantic:

        The Ukraine money laundering was over $150 billion, and cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. I’d call that kind of a big deal.

      • pedantic

        Neph: I’m no expert on that, I’ll take your word for it on amounts as yes, the Biden family corruption knows no bounds.

        But did all that make their actions personally responsible for the war in Ukraine? Like Russia, which has been messing with it’s newly sovereign neighbors for decades now, wouldn’t have messed around in Ukraine if Biden hadn’t done so?

      • Ted S.

        It’s only real free trade if it’s from the Free Trade region of France. Otherwise it’s artisanally managed trade.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        ‘Vaccine mandates are up there – yes, but I assume a Trump admin would have done the same’

        How so? He was in office while the vaccine was available.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        @Pedantic

        ‘But did all that make their actions personally responsible for the war in Ukraine? Like Russia, which has been messing with it’s newly sovereign neighbors for decades now, wouldn’t have messed around in Ukraine if Biden hadn’t done so?’

        I would agree it is hard to say that Biden is personally responsible for that, but his fucking around in Ukraine predates his presidency, so he may very well have contributed to it.

        Notably, Russia didn’t invade anywhere during Trump’s first term. We can’t know if things would have been different in the past 4+ years under a Trump presidency, but it seems possible at least.

    • Semi-Spartan Dad

      And all to bring back mercantilism and shitty manufacturing jobs.

      Not sure why manufacturing jobs are shitty. They pay good money/benefits and offer steady work to those without other options. And they pay even better to those with skillsets to support operations (mechanics, etc). The town nearest me used to have be a manufacturing hub back in the 50s. High per capita income and decent life for everyone.

      Now the big factories are all shuttered and abandoned. The town and nearby counties have been slowly dying over the past decades with a corresponding increase in crime. Anytime a smaller manufacturer pops up, they instantly have their choice from people looking for a decent job.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        I get the feeling, from this and last nights conversation, that this is a bit of a “no true libertarian” arguing point.

      • SDF-7

        Fortunately, I never claimed to be a libertarian.

      • pedantic

        Haha I had a feeling “shitty” might not be the best word. To clarify, I don’t think manufacturing is actually bad, just artificially propping it up is bad, both for manufacturers abroad (of course) but also our own. Although I am very skeptical that Americans would actually want to work en masse in 1950’s style manufacturing, that seems highly romanticized to me.

        Plus, is our manufacturing sector going to get any better now that we want to protect it from competition?

      • Nephilium

        The house I live in was built in 1957 (as were most of the houses in this area). This used to be the heart of the automotive industry in Cleveland, there’s a (nearly closed) GM plant around the corner from me, a (nearly closed) Ford plant the other direction, there’s at least two UAW halls that I know of, streets are named after the auto industry, and there were all sorts of industries built around the auto plants. Hell, the location for the new Browns stadium used to be an auto plant too.

        The area still has the blue collar feel and mentality, but the jobs aren’t here anymore. Needless to say, it’s a big Trump area.

      • PieInTheSky

        but were the cars any good?

      • Certified Public Asshat

        artificially propping it up is bad

        Do you work in a corporate office? Most of these jobs are fake.

      • Nephilium

        PieInTheSky:

        Of course not. They were made by GM and Ford! 🙂

        I don’t think the auto industry glory days of the 60’s/70’s will ever come back, and the union guys who think it will are more deluded than any queer genderfluid two spirit progressive. The unions gutted the companies too much (not that the companies didn’t damage themselves on top of it) back then and killed their golden goose. There’s still manufacturing jobs in the area, but they’re low paying (quick searches showed an average of $18-$23/hour).

      • The Other Kevin

        We still have a big steel mill and steel-related plants around us. We also have a BP refinery. Those are still really good jobs, and I think our area would have a big problem if that went away.

      • Ed Wuncler

        I work as an analyst at a manufacturing plant in Ohio, so I have a soft spot for those who works in manufacturing. Back in my younger days, I used to be like, “Manufacturing jobs are gone…so what? It’s because of comparative advantage and perhaps the workers should learn another skill.”

        While I do understand that putting up trade and protectionist barriers would do us harm, I kind of understand the impulse to enact the tariffs and embrace protectionism. I see those guys on the plant floor who takes pride in their jobs and are able to support their families and they aren’t going to college or learn how to code. The idea that we would ship their jobs away to some foreign country so we can save on labor costs doesn’t make me comfortable at all.

        I know this isn’t the standard libertarian belief, but you do what you want with that.

      • pedantic

        Seen and unseen costs. I get the logic, I’d rather my buddies all have decent jobs than for everyone in America save 5% on widgets or whatnot, but ultimately if we all acted like that we’d have an economy frozen in amber.

        If there is a role for government in industry, maybe that is it. *Mitigating* the harm from the falling chips

      • rhywun

        Yeah, my town was Kodak.

        Just devastation now that that’s 99% dead.

      • CatchTheCarp

        I worked at a Ford plant for 10 hours and 5 minutes back when I was 18. I was hire on as a summer casual which meant I didn’t make union wages and it was understood I would be let go before working 90 days. As you can probably guess the casual help got the shittiest jobs. My first day was spent picking up the hoods from 1977 Mercury Marquis’ from one conveyor line and moving them to another. I had to lift the hood off the hook, put it on a jack and wheel it 10 feet to another line, lift it off the jack onto the hook. Then came two front fenders and then the radiator support. Repeat for 10 hours with 2 15 minute breaks and 30 minutes for lunch. The next day I clocked in and saw those hoods and fenders coming at me and said nope and I walked over to the time clock and punched out. I was not cut out for that type of work.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Carp:

        I would pick up temp jobs during school holidays. One of my assignments was at a plastic factory. My job was to grab the newly made plastic cups coming out of the machine, make a stack of 25 and then slide them into a plastic sleeve and put them on the conveyer belt to be sealed and packed.

        Worse 8 hours of my life. I’d constantly fall behind because I’d get so bored that I basically just shut down. Then the old lady on the line with me would pop over and help me catch up. She told me not to feel bad because I couldn’t go as fast as her because she’d been doing the job 20 years.

        I couldn’t even imagine doing a job like that for 20 years. I know a lot of people who have worked assembly lines for that long though. Different mind sets I guess.

      • rhywun

        What I see is most of the dead manufacturing jobs have been replaced by low-level health care jobs and lots of additional government admin type jobs. And lots and lots of folks just sitting around collecting benefits.

        “Learn to code” while amusing was always bullshit.

      • Jarflax

        Human beings want things to be permanent while also wanting things to improve. You cannot have both; you can sometimes have one or the other and sometimes end up with neither. The “Good paying factory Jobs” as the standard appeared in the 20th Century during a period when the US was experiencing almost unprecedented economic growth as the technological advances and geo-political situation resulting from winning WWII came together. They started disappearing as that growth slowed for a variety of reasons, including normal economic cycles, the end of our temporary status as the only functional industrial economy, our abandonment of the last vestiges of the gold standard, politicians pandering to the unions, and our success at rebuilding Japan and Europe into effective competition. Even without the destructive policies of the 60s and 70s those jobs were doomed to decline as technology reduced the number of workers needed to produce the same goods.

        The “Everyone should be coding that is where all the good jobs are” idea became the standard because we were in the midst of a historical reformation of our economy on a par with industrialization due to the new computing, and then internet, technologies. The earning potential of the people who knew how to build, improve, and program computers was always going to decline as they went from a tiny handful with effectively arcane skills in exploding demand to a large portion of the work force in an industry which was maturing and with less urgent needs.

        Permanence went away when we transitioned from animal powered agriculture to mechanically powered industry as our economic base. In its place we got prosperity.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        I don’t think factories declined in the US because of prosperity. That implies the factories closed because they had no workers (who left to get better jobs). Definitely not the case judging by the high unemployment rate and broken cities.

        Factories declined because they were no longer cost-competitive due to a combination of onerous EPA and OSHA regulations (designed to shut them down) and very cheap labor overseas.

    • Sean

      Electric vehicles, ending energy independence, fucking with gas appliances, crazy energy star stuff…

      • Sensei

        Subsidized electric vehicles…

    • SDF-7

      “Who?” is the reaction from those not directly affected, I expect. Myself most certainly included.

      • PieInTheSky

        to be fair I would tap that

  13. PieInTheSky

    NEW: A scholar pushing a “prison abolitionist agenda.” A “neuroqueercrip” student studying decolonization. A working group on “tribal critical race theory.”

    Each is funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation—a driving force behind the scholar-activist pipeline.

    Throughout this series, I’ve shown how fellow-to-faculty hiring schemes are especially clever because they help administrators bypass normal hiring procedures.

    As dozens of documents show, this is a favored tool of the Mellon Foundation.

    —Mellon gave the UC System’s fellow-to-faculty program $15 million.

    —It gave UCLA $2.4 million to hire former fellows.

    —In a $1 million proposal, UCLA promises to hire more fellows.

    —An $8 million UC Santa Cruz program says it’ll emulate the model

    https://x.com/JohnDSailer/status/1907497038679339020

    • rhywun

      Nuke it all from orbit, salt the earth, nuke it again.

    • creech

      Mellon (Gulf Oil, banking) was a rock-ribbed Republican conservative back in the day. Probably could power Pittsburgh with the spinning that must be coming from his grave. Just another “robber baron” whose charitable foundation has been marched through by the left.

  14. Common Tater

    A reverse of the usual trope…

    “Leniyah Butler, 21, was convicted on Monday of voluntary manslaughter after being acquitted of murder in the second degree by a federal jury over the shooting death of Hamza Walupupu, 32.

    Walupupu was killed in the early morning of November 12, 2023, in Crissy Field – right near the Golden Gate Bridge – after he picked up Butler from the Tenderloin District in a Hyundai Accent.

    After performing a sex act on the victim, Walupupu asked Butler for a refund and to get out of his car, which led her to shoot him once in the eye with a gun she kept in her purse, The Sacramento Bee reported….

    During her time with Walupupu, he told Butler ‘he wanted more,’ to which she told him she was transgender.

    After learning that, the 32-year-old asked Butler for his money back, but she refused.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14564797/sex-worker-killed-customer-asked-refund-san-francisco.html

    No idea why that’s federal and also why that’s not murder.

      • rhywun

        That’s my guess.

        But the law is fickle so who knows.

        Anyway this shit is my #1 complaint about tranny nonsense. No, you do not get to “fool” people.

    • Ted S.

      He should have spoken English properly instead of with a Hyundai Accent.

    • R.J.

      My mind keeps reading his name as “Wypipo.”

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      Crissy Field is at the Presidio, which is federal property.

      And SFPA would go nuts trying to be the person to go after a trans murder. This is what they live for.

      • UnCivilServant

        I want to know who they polled, that is waaaay too high relative to even the other titles on this sample list.

      • Ted S.

        Yeah; Pie only linked to an image of a chart and not the tweet that theoretically should have the source of the methodology.

      • PieInTheSky

        Many people say thay cannot see tweets

      • PieInTheSky

        The tweet has no source either

      • R.J.

        I am shocked that it doesn’t include Onyx the Fortuitous and the Talisman of Souls, which incidentally is the Glib Flick movie of the week. It is highly ranked by men AND women. And probably ranked highly by men pretending to be women as well.

        My plug is done.

      • rhywun

        Prolly sourced from something like IMDb which surely overweights more recent movies because they are fresh in people’s minds.

        I tried to watch it a couple times, wasn’t really following it.

      • CatchTheCarp

        The men’s list of movies is pretty solid except for Bladerunner 2049. TGTBATU is a curious omission as it is usually always shows up on men’s top movie lists and women hate it. My wife absolutely refuses to watch any Clint Eastwood westerns

      • Not Adahn

        Blade Runner 2049 was a gorgeous piece of cinema.

        It was not Kung Fu Hustle, in the same way that Twin Peaks is not The Bold and the Beautiful.

    • PieInTheSky

      does a brand have DNA?

      • rhywun

        It does when they never shut the fuck up about it.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      You can break even with a Ninja Creami in two years, assuming it doesn’t break.

      • Sensei

        I have ice cream like twice a year.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Lol I wasn’t being serious. I have one, a complete frivolous purchase that does make a great high protein ice cream. But there is no way I have saved money on it.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        We have an ice cream maker, as my wife has every. single. kitchen. gadget. made. It never gets used, but it has to sit in the freezer, taking up space, as she needs it to be cold when she wants to use it on a moments notice.

        Which, in several decades, has never happened.

      • slumbrew

        The insert taking up freezer space is the worse part of that style of ice cream maker. Plus needing to wait 24 hours between batches for it to re-freeze.

        I sprung for one with a compressor a few years back and am quite happy with it; I don’t make ice cream all the time but usually make a couple varieties for the holidays (e.g., cinnamon & vanilla for Thanksgiving).

      • Not Adahn

        The tradition here of seasonal soft-serve stands was a very pleasant surprise. The Excellence:Suck ratio is much higher than Sturgeon’s Law would predict.

    • rhywun

      I refuse to buy from those commies whether they remain hidden under Unilever or not.

  15. Common Tater

    “Police also said that there was not a manifesto left behind by Hale, but rather a large amount of writings. The Tennessee Star had published vast amounts of Hale’s writing, calling it a manifesto. A manifesto would typically be a document detailing intent and purpose of an action. In Hale’s case, per police, she left many notebooks but not one conclusive document.”

    https://thepostmillennial.com/new-covenant-school-shooter-fantasized-about-massacre-since-2017-left-16-notebooks-no-conclusive-manifesto-nashville-police

    • Common Tater

      “The report noted that Hale had made “statements about wanting to transition genders,” and had begun using the name “Aiden Williams” in the years prior to the shooting as well as male pronouns on social media. “Nothing has been found to suggest she initiated or was undergoing a transition at the time of he death, including medical documentation. During her autopsy, it was determined she was biologically female.””

      • Sensei

        You can express your level of indifference with two different pieces of katakana if you’d like.

        シ shi

        ツ tsu

      • Jarflax

        If they don’t care why do they bark so much?

      • Sensei

        You made me check. It’s Romanized Chinese.

        Shih Tzu

        I never bothered to actually write the breed.

  16. Sensei

    Agriculture industry officials, though, are tamping down the hype, cautioning that a mass switch away from seed oils isn’t feasible. They say the movement from seed oils isn’t supported by science and their products derived from soybean and canola crops are, in fact, healthy.

    Because nothing says “healthy” like fact you can’t use straight canola oil that isn’t generally processed with hexane.

    https://www.wsj.com/business/beef-tallow-seed-oils-maha-b60eecb9?st=pyHrD8&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    • Jarflax

      To hell with ‘canola’, call it what it is, rape seed.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        STEVE SMITH OIL.

        AND BY OIL, MEAN RAPE.

    • WTF

      There’s no such thing as a “canola crop”, canola oil is processed rapeseed oil.

    • The Other Kevin

      Mrs. TOK watched one of those “How It’s Made” shows about Canola oil. The amount of chemicals they pump into it (hexane, bleach, etc.) turned us off from it in a hurry.

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      STEVE LOVE CANOLA OIL.

      MADE WITH REAL CANADIAN. AND RAPE.

    • rhywun

      beef production is slowing as cattle herds shrink

      I think I’ve spotted a titanic problem here.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        People buy pork instead?

      • rhywun

        I dunno but beef at the supermarket is thru the roof again.

  17. Common Tater

    “Under the proposed law, courts handling child custody decisions would be required to consider “misgendering,” “deadnaming,” or threatening to publish information related to a child’s sex change procedures as forms of “coercive control” when determining the best interests of a child. Additionally, it would prohibit Colorado courts from enforcing orders or laws from other states that require a child to be removed from parents who allow them access to sex change procedures.

    The bill would also classify “misgendering” and “deadnaming” as discriminatory under the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act. It would further mandate schools to adopt policies regarding “chosen names” and prohibit school dress codes from including rules based on “gender.””

    https://thepostmillennial.com/colorado-moves-to-classify-misgendering-deadnaming-as-child-abuse-in-proposed-bill

    Meanwhile….

    • UnCivilServant

      Additionally, it would prohibit Colorado courts from enforcing orders or laws from other states that require a child to be removed from parents who allow them access to sex change procedures.

      What part of “Full Faith and Credit” do you not understand?

      All these child abusers need to be [REDACTED]

      • Jarflax

        REDACTED via noose.

    • rhywun

      This should be an 80/20 issue against but all the Dems will vote for it anyway.

      Sorry, Colorado.

    • cavalier973

      The cat being a cat, enjoying the show from above, as the others wear themselves out

  18. Pope Jimbo

    I can’t tell if this story is about getting G-men to voluntarily resign, or if the white eye libs think that the G-men will be arresting a bunch of bigots.

    The FBI is sending extra agents, analysts and other personnel to field offices in 10 states over the next six months to help investigate unsolved violent crimes in Indian Country, marking a continuation of efforts by the federal government to address high rates of violence affecting Native American communities.
     
    The U.S. Justice Department announced Tuesday that the temporary duty assignments began immediately and will rotate every 90 days in field offices that include Albuquerque, Phoenix, Denver, Detroit, Minneapolis, Oklahoma City, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Portland, Oregon, and Jackson, Mississippi.

    I think it has to be the former. Send the Feds out to the rez and see how many decide to simply quit.

    I’m torn, though, because I’ve heard many a local proggie whinge about this issue. They are sure that all these missing Indians are victims of white supremacists. I’m sure they will be crying about racism when the Feds start arresting the local Indians who did the murdering.

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      ‘marking a continuation of efforts by the federal government to address high rates of violence affecting Native American communities.’

      I really dislike the status quo with Indian reservations and I think they should all be abolished. That would probably be the first step towards actually solving some of those issues instead of just throwing money at it.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Recognizing racist pseudo governments and giving them state powers has been a mistake.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Get rid of the rez?

        We are going in the exact opposite direction here in Minnesoda.

        Minnesota could soon allow tribal nations to open off-reservation cannabis dispensaries before the broader marijuana market launches, drawing fairness complaints from aspiring business owners who’ve waited almost two years to get a license.
         
        The compacts being negotiated in private by the Walz administration and tribal nations would give tribes more than just an early foothold in Minnesota’s marijuana market. Under a draft compact obtained by the Minnesota Star Tribune last month, tribal cannabis businesses operating outside reservations would be exempted from local cannabis ordinances, be able to negotiate taxation with the state and be allowed to grow, manufacture and sell — advantages not afforded to most state-licensed businesses.

        King Walz is the one in charge of the negotiations with the tribes. Not only has he not consulted with the GOP on the details, he isn’t even telling them the details of the agreements. This info is all from leaked docs.

        The tribes already control all the casinos and have turned that $$ into a ton of influence at the legislature. They have blocked online gaming so far (they are holding out for a bigger cut of that pie). Now they are going to control the MJ market too.

      • rhywun

        Yup, assimilate already. You’ll be better off.

    • Ed Wuncler

      I remember many years ago I worked with a Native American who grew up on a reservation in Minnesota. He told me countless of stories about how dysfunctional reservation life was and that as soon as he was 18, moved the fuck away.

      • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

        Everything I’ve heard and seen with my own 2 eyes confirms that getting out of the res is usually the best thing that can happen to someone. Obviously I don’t want to force people off their land, but I do think the government of the places and the communal ownership really mess things up just like it would for anyone.

      • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

        The tribes in my area give the newly adult 18 year olds a lump sum of casino money. It usually does not end well.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        I think it is relative. The communal aspect fails in light of individual ownership that is successful in the rest of North America. A low key lifestyle is a failure when the rest of the country is pretty agressive in work/life styles (and we see this issue in ghettos and other giveaway areas).

        Without this direct comparison it might work, but fails in those issues.

      • slumbrew

        My cousin was a cop for the Miccosukee down in Florida for a few months before he quit – he couldn’t take it due to the dysfunction.

        The casino checks and nothing else to do, plus no consequences if the elders like you, make it a total shitshow,

      • Pope Jimbo

        I grew up next to the White Earth rez in Minnesoda. Yes, it is dysfunctional there. Lots of reasons.

        For the life of me, I have no idea why anyone would want to live there, but it is amazing how many of the kids go to college for a year or two (for free) and then move back to the rez to continue their fucked up lives.

        The main problem is they have no ability to handle alcohol. The problem drinking screws up everything. Meth and oxy didn’t help either.

      • creech

        A neighbor of ours in a nice suburban community was a half Cherokee from Okla. He always said being “kidnapped” and put in one of those white-run Indian schools was the best thing that ever happened to him. After a long career in the Navy (he rose to CPO) he was maintenance supervisor for one of the wealthiest townships in Penna., raised four boys in a comfy suburban home, and was the first on our block to have two cars and a motor boat.

    • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

      I’ve been watching the Peter Santanello videos from the various reservations, and the subject of missing women keeps popping up. It sounds like it’s mostly the result of domestic violence. A white woman married to an Indian guy mentioned outsiders coming in, but didn’t cite a specific example, and in fact the case they were talking about at the time was domestic violence. Another tribe, I think Apaches, mentioned that cartels kidnap women who can’t pay their drug debts. I’m also guessing there’s a fair amount of prostitution which is a dangerous job pretty much anywhere, and the families don’t pursue it because either they don’t care or they are ashamed.

      • Pope Jimbo

        A lot of deaths on the rez are the results of either violence or accidents when everyone is blacked out drunk.

        My dad was a probation officer and he said that the only time he believed it when there was a death and there were no witnesses was when it happened at a rez party.

        He absolutely believed that people were so drunk that no one remembered what had happened when they woke up the next day.

        A lot of time when they realized what had happened they would try to cover it all up. I’m guessing that the majority of these missing women were victims of something like that.

  19. The Late P Brooks

    Watch out for falling stockbrokers.

    • creech

      Why did the economic idiot in the White House choose this method to “rebuild American manufacturing?” Whatever, picking a fight with Canada will cost me about $415,000 in eight months if the Canadian tariffs stick. And I’m loathe to look at my other investments as it might bring on a heart attack! Overseas costs have been rising , as have shipping costs, so American manufacturers have already begun to source more at home. Trump seems to think there is all sorts of idle capacity in the U.S. that can magically be started up to replace foreign imports. No, it will take years to build or expand factories and train those former federal drones to run the machinery. What would really bring manufacturing home to U.S. – at a pace that can be sustained – is to zero out corporate income taxes.

      • Urthona

        Also every material manufacturing uses just got way more expensive.

        Technically, manufacturing in the US had never been greater.

      • Ed Wuncler

        Ding ding ding!

        If you create a low regulatory/ tax environment, the businesses will slowly develop and would give us a huge advantage worldwide.

      • Fourscore

        Stop confusing me with the facts.

        Of course dollar inflation has nothing to do with companies expanding overseas. The inflation will continue as the deficits continue.

  20. The Other Kevin

    Good morning everyone! My youngest is home for a short stint this week. We put together a care package for her sailor. Thanks to Starlink and a very easy assignment (3 months on call in a kitchen in case any sinks get clogged), he’s had time to text every day and call every few days. Did you know they can have Amazon orders sent to a ship?

    The oldest tripped at work and broke a small bone in her ankle. She’s on disability for now, and not liking that we’re still requiring her to do her every day things. She’s got a splint on and she’s having a very rough time getting around. She saw a doctor yesterday, and they put her on thyroid meds and and antidepressant, so hopefully that does something.

    • Common Tater

      Thyroid meds and and antidepressant for a broken bone?

      • The Other Kevin

        That wasn’t exactly clear. I took her to the ER for the ankle, and the rest was a different visit to a GP that was already scheduled.

    • Pope Jimbo

      I remember having to wait in long lines during holidays to make a 15 min (max) call back home when I was in Okinawa. Each base had a telephone center you could use. Had to have purchased a calling card at the PX.

      Amazing how different it is now to communicate back home.

      Best wishes for your oldest. Everyone is cranky when they are hurt.

    • The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

      ‘they put her on thyroid meds and and antidepressant, so hopefully that does something.’

      I hope things get better.

      • The Other Kevin

        Thanks. The current fight is that her doctor (and the rest of us) want her to go to therapy, but she’s resisting because she “doesn’t need it”. We’re working on it.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        I say this every time, TOK, but you are an inspiration to us all.

      • Pope Jimbo

        Zwak:

        Not me. I used to be a huge TOK fan, but then I showed up to his tourney in Minnesoda and his team lost! They used to crush everyone.

        As a Minnesodan, I am a huge bandwagon jumper and fair weather fan.

        Until he brings back another hockey victory, I’m out.

        * Just kidding, TOK is a great guy.

    • R.J.

      Hahaha! I liked that it tried to debunk the fact that Elon could have rescued them earlier. The link to the article stating the claim was false proved nothing. Good ol’ Ars.

      • Sensei

        The Trump hate contained at Ars is spectacular.

        Beth “Science” Mole is currently apoplectic at the NIH cuts. She’s fun to hate read.

      • R.J.

        I had to stop reading them about 4 years ago. I couldn’t take it. I salute your fortitude.

  21. Rat on a train

    No Coke, Pepsi.

    An American tourist has been arrested after sailing to a remote island and leaving behind a can of Coke and a coconut for the world’s most dangerous and isolated people.

    From his boat, he scanned the area with binoculars but saw no sign of the Sentinelese. For about an hour, he blew a whistle to try to attract attention but received no response.

    He then briefly stepped onto the island, left a can of Coca-Cola and a coconut as offerings, collected sand samples and recorded a video before departing.

  22. The Artist Formerly Known as Lackadaisical

    Hot Take:

    Trump could have better accomplished his goals and avoided spooking the market and everyone else by targeting specific countries with the tariffs rather than picking a fight with the whole world at the same time.

    • Urthona

      You’re confused about what his goals are.

      He just thinks tariffs are good.

      Trump fans are rationalizing that he’s trying to lower trade barriers.

      • Fourscore

        Yep

  23. The Late P Brooks

    Shock and awe

    “We are prepared to respond,” she said. “We are now preparing for further countermeasures, to protect our interests and our businesses if negotiations fail.”

    Calling for negotiations, von der Leyen said that the EU would work towards reducing barriers, not raising them.

    “It is not too late to address concerns through negotiations,” she said. “Let’s move from confrontation to negotiation.”

    ——-

    The EU chief said that she agreed with Trump that some countries were taking unfair advantage of the current rules in world trade and the EU was ready to support efforts to make the global trading system “fit for the realities of the global economy.”

    However, she also warned the U.S. ’reaching for tariffs as your first and last tool will not fix it.”

    But we’re the good guys. We need you.

    • WTF

      Withdraw from NATO, close the bases, and bring everyone home.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Withdrawal just means it continues. Shut it down like SEATO.

      • R.J.

        Agreed. How many years has Europe had to fix this shit? They are all disingenuous cunts.

  24. CatchTheCarp

    10 days ago I was using a pole saw attempting to pull down dead limbs/branches from a red bud tree in our front yard. The tree is enclosed by a retaining wall about 4 feet high. The branch I was trying to reach extended out past the edge of the retaining wall just out of my reach. I placed my left foot on the top row of the wall to reach it and then stood on the tip of my toes to extend my reach. Bad move. When I shifted my weight forward and stood on my toes the paver gave way and me along with it, right over the side of the wall. Since I had my arms extended over my head holding on to the pole saw I landed flush on my left side. After impacting the ground the first thought that went thru my mind was I didn’t hear anything crack. The second thought was looking around and hoping no one saw me fall. I got up and didn’t feel to bad but the end result was badly bruised ribs. Taking deep breaths, bending over and coughing was painful. I have healed up enough where I can now bend over and tie my shoes without pain. Sometimes I astound myself with the dumb things I manage to do.

    • PutridMeat

      Imagine, if you will, a time of FreshMeat. Imagine, if you will, a storm that brought trees down, one in particular falling against another nearby tree and, as such things happen, being held up about 10-15 feet in the air at about 30 degree angle by it’s own limbs entangled with the nearby tree’s limbs. Imagine FreshMeat with a nice sharp double headed axe. Imagine FreshMeat 15 feet up in the air, one FreshFoot firmly braced on the trunk of the fallen tree, the other braced firmly on one of the branches holding said tree up. Imagine, if you will, FreshMeat swinging said two-handed axe down between his still FreshLegs to chop said branch near where it met said trunk. Imagine what might happen when said branch separates cleanly from said trunk, leaving said branch to fall away freely with a FreshFoot still firmly planted on it. “Sometimes I astound myself with the dumb things I manage to do.” – Indeed Mr. Carp, Indeed.

      • R.J.

        Did you die?

      • PieInTheSky

        Did you die? – dont belive him is he says no

      • PutridMeat

        Did you die?

        Having the presence of mind to toss the axe far away from the landing zone (and avoid hitting SeniorMeat with said toss), no. An arthroscopic knee surgery, ligament removal, and a premature ending to what would certainly have been a hall of fame linebacker career later, it turned out to be just the first of many steps on the path to putrescence.

    • Gender Traitor

      Please don’t feel too bad. I believe a friend of ours lost a fingertip (a less than ideal outcome for a bass player) after he lifted up his lawnmower and tried to trim his hedges with it. 🤦🏼‍♀️

      • Ted S.

        He can still whistle a merry tuna.

      • CatchTheCarp

        For some reason that makes me laugh……. only because I’ve considered doing that too.

    • slumbrew

      Bruised ribs suuuuck.

      Speedy healing & glad that’s all it was.

      • Fourscore

        I have compassion for those who have suffered the physical ramifications of bad judgement.

        It is part of the learning curve. I’m still learning.

  25. The Late P Brooks

    If we can just hold out ’til the Democrats get back in control…

  26. Gustave Lytton

    Several murders up thread. I’m sure Bondi will file federal charges in all of them and seek the death penalty.

  27. Sensei

    Never could have seen this coming…

    Kanye West Reveals Wife Bianca Censori Left Him After Controversial Rants

    • PieInTheSky

      Ahe is not my type but has some tits. that is the extent of my opinion on the topic

    • R.J.

      This is my surprised face 😐

    • Not Adahn

      He should have never married someone that censorious.

  28. The Late P Brooks

    Perspective

    On that Monday, the DJIA fell 508 points (22.6 percent), accompanied by crashes in the futures exchanges and options markets,[17] the largest one-day percentage drop in the history of the DJIA.[18] The DJIA fell from 2,246.74 at the open to 1,738.74 at the close.[19] Significant selling created steep price declines throughout the day, particularly during the last 90 minutes of trading.[20] Deluged with sell orders, many stocks on the NYSE faced trading halts and delays. Of the 2,257 NYSE-listed stocks, there were 195 trading delays and halts that day.[21] Total trading volume was so large that the computer and communications systems were overwhelmed, leaving orders unfilled for an hour or more. Large funds transfers were delayed and the Fedwire and NYSE SuperDot systems shut down for extended periods further compounding traders’ confusion.[22]

    Counting the losses from the previous week, that was a drop of about 1/3. We’re not there yet.

  29. The Late P Brooks

    If you create a low regulatory/ tax environment, the businesses will slowly develop and would give us a huge advantage worldwide.

    Organic growth, instead of top down central planning? That’ll never work.

    • PieInTheSky

      There will be no where near enough cuts to taxes and regs.

      The world is too full of useless people in usless jobs related to this.

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