So, following the SCOTUS decision in Bruen, New Jersey’s Attorney General issued a statement that it was no longer required that New Jersey residents demonstrate a “justifiable need” in order to obtain a permit to carry a handgun. Previously, it was all but impossible for anyone not politically connected to get a carry permit in New Jersey, since “justifiable need” required that you prove under oath and in writing that there was an “urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant’s life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun.” As you can imagine, this was all but impossible, so very few permits were ever actually issued, except to the politically connected.
The current process to obtain a carry permit remains exactly the same, minus the “justifiable need” part. As I navigated the system to obtain a carry permit (issued October 11, 2022), I was wondering just how many obstacles and requirements are needed before they constitute an infringement. Because much of the process makes little sense from any data-driven logical framework. Herewith is the process, and my experience going through it.
Right off the bat, it’s obvious that much of the process is designed to be a giant pain in the ass in order to discourage law-abiding citizens from going through it. The first step is that you must obtain a New Jersey Firearms ID card (FID), which allows you to purchase firearms and ammunition in New Jersey. To get one you must provide references which may be contacted by the police, and you must be fingerprinted and undergo a background check by the state police. You can purchase any long gun at any time with just the FID and a NICS check. To purchase a pistol, you need to apply for a separate permit for each pistol, and provide references with your application to purchase a pistol. Once the permit is issued, you can purchase the pistol with your permit, the FID, and a NICS check including another state background check which takes 7-days. Which makes no sense at all because you already had multiple background checks to obtain the FID and the pistol permit. And you can’t purchase anymore pistols for 30 days.
So anyway, we’ve gone through all of that and have our FID and pistols. I already had the FID from 30 years ago (they don’t expire) and also various pistols. However, since I never thought carrying would be an option, I didn’t buy anything that would be especially convenient to carry. So I got a pistol permit and bought a Glock 43X. And also 1,000 rounds of ammo since it’s the only 9mm I own.
Another ridiculous rule in New Jersey is that you must have an FID to purchase ammo. Which pisses me off to no end because bulk discount ammo outfits will not ship to New Jersey because of this. Fortunately my membership at the local gun range gets me significant discounts and they often have bulk ammo available. Since the range is a really nice one, with multiple ranges and nice facilities, and is in the NYC area, they get guys coming over from NYC to shoot. And then they get a shock when they find out they can’t purchase ammo at the range because they don’t have a New Jersey FID.
So anyway, on to the carry permit application. You need to complete the application in triplicate. You need three references to sign the application (original signatures on each of the three forms), and then the application must be notarized. You need four 1.5-inch by 1.5-inch passport style photos to include with the application. You also need three completed and signed reference letters from people who have known you for more than three years, along with their contact info so the police can contact them. You must also fill out, in duplicate, a Consent for Mental Health Records Search Form, which must be signed and dated in front of the firearms investigation officer when you hand in your application to the police. The officer signs as a witness. Then of course we need a money order for $50.00 made out to the state treasurer, and qualification certificates for each forearm you wish to carry. The gun range provides qualification certification by their instructors. The qualification is pretty easy if you shoot at all. You must demonstrate basic handgun knowledge and safety, and shoot a passing score. The shooting qualification is basically the state police pistol qualification. You shoot an FBI Q-target as follows: 24 rounds at 7 yards; 14 rounds at 10 yards; 6 rounds at 15 yards; and 6 rounds at 25 yards. You must score 80% to pass (40 out of 50 rounds inside the target). You must qualify for each gun you want to carry, because the carry permit is only good for the guns you specify on the application and qualify with. So I qualified for the Glock 43X, and also for my Sig P226 .40 cal. Ridiculously, if you have a carry permit, you ARE NOT PERMITTED to carry any other guns besides the ones on the permit.
On to the fingerprinting! That’s right, even if you have already been fingerprinted previously for firearms, you must get fingerprinted again. Even though your prints are already in the system, and you have already undergone multiple background checks. But first you need to get a case number from the municipal police department’s firearms investigation unit. And then once you get fingerprinted you include your receipt from the fingerprinting company with your application.
Now that you have everything in place and complete, you must contact the firearms investigation unit for an appointment to submit your application. The detective will then ensure everything is complete, have you sign the mental health records search forms and then countersign as a witness. It then goes to the chief of police for approval. Pre-Bruen, this is where most would get rejected. Now, unless there is something disqualifying on the application or background/mental health checks, they must approve. It then gets sent to the county court where they schedule a hearing in front of a judge. Previously, this is where any applicant who actually got past the chief of police would have to convince the court that they had a “justifiable need” for a carry permit. Now it is basically just a formality.
My court hearing was yesterday afternoon. There were about 26 other guys there for their permits as well. The judge said they were processing about 100 permits a week right now. Each applicant’s “hearing” takes about 3 or 4 minutes. The court swears you in, the judge asks if the information on your application is true and accurate, confirms the serial numbers of the guns you will carry, and then reads the approval of the permit into the court record, you then get a copy of court order granting the permit, as well as the permit card with your personal information, permit number, and photo. They also hand you print-outs of New Jerseys firearms statutes. You sign that you received all of that, and you’re good to go.
A couple of observations. The permit is only good for two years. To renew, you have to go through the exact same process all over again, including more fingerprints, checks, etc. They recommend you start the renewal process 4 to 5 months prior to expiration to allow for this. Once you’re already in the system it should be a streamlined renewal process, but I guess that wouldn’t work to discourage people.
New Jersey’s permit is a permit to carry a handgun. No other guns may be carried other than the handguns listed on your permit. While the permit and statutes do not distinguish between concealed carry and open carry, the judge told everyone it’s basically concealed carry unless you want a lot of attention and a lot of unnecessary problems with people getting upset and calling the police. He also recommended getting a lockbox for your vehicle for situations where you can’t carry and you shouldn’t leave your gun in the glove compartment. I already have a console safe in my SUV for just this purpose. Once you have a carry permit, New Jersey’s restrictions by statute are pretty limited. You can’t carry in any educational institutions, or certain government buildings like courthouses, etc. The judge noted that some judges in other counties have been adding restrictions to the permits they issue, such as “can’t carry while driving”, because they “thought that would lead to road rage incidents, even though the data doesn’t back that up”. He said his permits were unrestricted because he thought it was inappropriate for judges to add restrictions, and that if the legislature wanted to pass laws to that effect they could do so, and then see if it passed constitutional muster. I’m kind of curious to see if they do try to put more restrictions in place on carry permits. On the one hand, New Jersey is a deep blue state, so you know they want to. On the other hand, they just might realize that would lead to court challenges which could result in other pieces of the process being slapped down as well.
Are they smart enough to leave well enough alone? I guess we shall see.
Update: The Democrat legislature is set to vote on “the most serious set of CCW laws in the country” on October 27, adding a whole series of restrictions on where carry is permitted (or rather, not permitted) and governor Murphy is eager to sign it into law. These new restrictions will include things like requiring liability insurance for a carry permit, making it a crime to carry into a private business unless they specifically give permission for guns on the premises, making it a crime to carry anywhere alcohol is served, and a whole slew of other restrictions basically cancelling out any carry permits that have already been issued. It’s a giant middle finger to SCOTUS, but of course it will take a couple of years at least to get slapped down.
That is some ridiculous convoluted shit.
^^ This.
Fuck NJ politicians. That is all.
On October 27 they voted their new package of restrictions out of committee, but it hasn’t gone to a full vote yet. It’s similar to New York’s laws that just got enjoined. Not sure if they’re waiting to see what happens with New York before they go ahead knowing the lawsuits are already prepped and ready to go.
About 10 years ago, I went to Atlantic City with a buddy who’s a cop in VA. He had some bullshit LEO privilege that let him concealed carry while off duty on our trip there, but he made damn sure to empty every mag of hollow points before we left.
Oh yeah, no hollow points allowed, because I guess the politicians prefer over-penetration.
Can you hunt with hollow points?
Nope.
No rifles for hunting in NJ, shotgun only.
That’s retarded.
New Jersey’s state motto ought to be “stupid laws for stupid reasons”.
Evil people making stupid laws to fuck over the little people, more like it..
Is there some rationale or is it FYTW?
Because densely populated and rifle round travel too far.
So, FYTW.
Lehigh appreciates your business.
Fuck voters. That is all.
Ugh.
Yeah, fuck them with a diamond tipped drill…
I looked at the election results for Missouri/Kansas as they are coming in. Okay, it’s only 1% reporting right now, but the Ds are thrashing the Rs.
Sobering, isn’t it?
I see frauds like Pritzker sail through and wonder WTF is wrong with people.
People who stay in shrinking cities have a vested interest in things staying the same, are not voting, or are dumb.
I recall a few months ago maybe even weeks the media insisted Rubio was in a close race. Race was called for Rubio who sits on a 14 point lead with 20% remaining.
“Under Elon Musk’s leadership, extremists could flock back to Twitter under the guise of “free speech,” and researchers are gearing up to study their impact”
https://twitter.com/sciam/status/1590106916096802816
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/internet-and-extremism-experts-predict-more-hate-speech-and-conspiracy-theories-on-musks-twitter/
SCIENCE!!!!!!!!
“Is it possible that this may have determined who and what was and wasn’t being censored on this platform?
Might this also explain why liberal journalists are so upset and indignant over the mere possibility that things may change even slightly in how Twitter is run?”
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/159012196242857574
Apparently the tweet was deleted.
Here you go:
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1590121962428575744
I saw that graph earlier today. Was not at all surprised. Tech, like academia & government, seems to be the home of a lot of fucking useless people that hold despicable ideals, because their priority is to keep their uppity status over the serfs..
How the fuck to Lyft employees donate that much to the party that wants to put them out of business?
“Hillary Clinton and other Democratic leaders have called upon England, France, and Germany to prevent the restoration of free speech on Twitter with censorship laws — laws that would be unconstitutional in the United States. The Germans have now responded…”
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1589955287645327360
But Democrats have ensured me that they are worried about the loss of our freedoms.
No, you heard that wrong. They are concerned about the loss of THEIR side’s freedoms. Your freedoms only count if they align with whatever authoritarian agenda they have. otherwise you are a deplorable.
“Internet and extremism ‘experts’”.
Right
This election: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women…
NYT advice: Cry like the beat and bitchez you are…
LOL
Sometimes I wonder if they are just trolling their readers.
They know their readers are really that dysfunctional…
Thank you! I will bookmark this one for sure.
Death of democracy!!!!
Ladies and gentlemen, Jen Psaki…
https://twitter.com/jrpsaki/status/1590147304287535105?
“The Latino vote is not the same everywhere! There are huge generational differences and in Florida population of older voters (more likely Rs) much larger than younger. Socialism does not play there. And there is a massive disinformation problem in Spanish language media.”
Dems = socialist. Noted.
lol
“They’re calling us socialists.”
With the team blue crooks the problem is always the messaging not being heard/seen. Never the fact that their policies are fucking evil, dumb, and destructive, and people get turned off by them.
In the replies:
“Michael Feher
@SaxMike71
Replying to
@jrpsaki
Regardless—respectfully—I am very disappointed in them, particularly in Miami-Dade.”
Statists just can’t help being patronizing.
At least she didn’t say latinx.
Give it time.
At least Gingersnatch kinda gets it even if she is a dishonest hack.
I can’t wait for GT’s next post.
heh
A classic election song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQW1TlDZMU
Classic election song
Classic erection song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiu1hPdJk-Y&ab_channel=PowerwolfBand
Even better erection song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJr65m_stZo
A patriotic bilingual Q worthy song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9ADth5yxuQ
brief NSFW
And the best election song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCPycVuiIJA
That’s what I was hoping for
Governor Pie!
JARFLAX!!!!
Just popped in to laugh about Huckabee Sanders as a Governor. How are you?
Stop by more often.
I mean to.
Yay.
Huzzah!
Please do stick around! You and I have an almost two-year-old bet going that should be settled within the next few months! 😉
Yes we do lol. I don’t remember the amount though.
Linking to specific comments never seems to work for me, but here goes: https://www.glibertarians.com/2020/11/glibfit-4-0-coronavirus-edition-xxxvii-baby-its-cold-outside/#comment-1773304
(Spoiler: It’s 100 bucks!)
That is Pie? I wasn’t sure. Wow.
Yep, Mouthpiece Pie is now Governor Pie.
Huh. Who would have guessed Pie would be the legacy election before Chelsea?
Quiet, you.
I should really exit this state before that creature swoops in.
I forgot how easily NY bent over for Clinton when she moved there. Maybe we should be grateful to them because that set her up to lose in 2016.
Didn’t they rename Hell’s Kitchen after her already?
No, George Clinton.
That’s great lol
Phuque NJ’s gun laws. But they are better than Hawaii’s. …..Heavy sigh.
NJ’s gun laws being better than anybody’s at all is just astonishing.
Fuck that.
I guess if there’s one bright spot it’s that we’re reaching the end of this shit.
Finally, more room for Medicare commercials.
You are evil…..
Lol.
I knew it was going to happen (and it’s still early), but it is concerning to see how many Pennsylvanians are allegedly voting for Fetterstein.
And to the Georgians with Warlock…c’mon, man.
Well, all four of them are awful.
Curious that Vega-Scamberger has yet to be called.
51.1% 120,226
48.7% 114,734
99% reporting (supposedly)
Not really, I’m sure someone has a list of races where there will be data drops later.
Fredericksburg and Prince William didn’t have their fortification ballots premade.
Of course. PW hasn’t reported their absentee ballots. They are filling in those now.
Now 122,288 to 119,195
And now it’s flipped. I can’t believe how racist NoVa(ish) people are against Hispanics.
They only approve of Latinx people.
Dumps in progress.
https://libertymaniacs.com/products/i-farted-and-it-made-more-of-a-difference-sticker-sheet
Alternatively, I Vomited:
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1768428418.1707/bg,f8f8f8-flat,750x,075,f-pad,750×1000,f8f8f8.jpg
I would like to see the Wicked Witch of the Midwest deposed.
Looks like NJ laws are are still mentally challenged. Like PA’s liquor laws only with less workarounds.
Buy booze in NJ.
Buy guns in PA.
Get drunk and start shooting.
In D.C.?
So glad I left. The whole process of getting an SC carry permit was less hassle than any single task in the ridiculous NJ process. And buying guns or ammo is easy.
I left NJ 50 years ago. At one time I actually thought of settling down there. I used to shoot skeet somewhere not far from Freehold/Tom’s River (Is that right?), unaware that I may have been breaking the law. I didn’t have any hand guns at the time but I did have several long barrels . Had my apartment burglarized and attempts to get into my gun cabinet but only chipped the front glass. Happy not to be there.
Fifty years ago you probably weren’t breaking any laws.
Near Ft. Dix?
Talk about giving up an early lead and a nearly sure thing…Rangers led by two goals after two and gave up three to the Islanders in the third. Unbelievable.
I can’t be assed to watch a hockey game this early. There are just too goddamn many of them.
‘The detective will then ensure everything is complete, have you sign the mental health records search forms and then countersign as a witness. It then goes to the chief of police for approval. Pre-Bruen, this is where most would get rejected. Now, unless there is something disqualifying on the application or background/mental health checks, they must approve. ‘
This is total bullshit, you shouldn’t have to agree to provide medical records to exercise a constitutional right, ‘hey let’s violate two parts of the Constitution instead of just one’
“Are they smart enough to leave well enough alone? I guess we shall see.”
Before I even got to the post script I knew the answer was no. See also, new York, and Democrats challenging abortion rules all the way to the sc.
Yo, desantis is gonna btfo Crist, he’s got 50% more votes right now.
Anecdotally no one living near me had been brave enough to put a Crist sign up while there are 4-5 desantis signs.
But stealing signs and vandalizing property because of politics are not exactly R-voter’s M.O.
I just think you’d get a lot of shit from everyone who knows you for being a dumb ass.
Didn’t they already declare him the winner of a massacre?
Yes, but if the 60-40 split holds up, that’s in excess if any polling I heard of.
For comparison desantis won by like 5 votes last time.
And his down-ticket success is off the charts too…
He’s got a bajillion dollars he probably didn’t spend on this election too.
His margin of victory is astounding. That’s definitely bigger than the most optimistic poll I saw.
NYT called it for DeSantis +17 with 95% counted.
The madman won Miami Dade too.
Wonder how many Republican politicians would be more popular if they actually refrained from locking down.
Depends on the state, though I doubt it’s much of an election issue for the vast swathe of voters this year. Maybe in 2020.
That seems crazy to me, but who knows.
I find it hard to believe that trans issues are so big that is what’s driving things. Struggling to think of another major issue, just economics?
Someone won Twitter for the day
https://twitter.com/RileyRooTwo/status/1590171663551066112
Jack, go die in a gutter you authoritarian fuck.
I’m having a celebratory stout right now.
“he/him”
How square.
LOL
Jesus NY…you really love that Daddy Government…Hochul is smacking down Zeldin
This doesn’t surprise me at all. Some political commentator I listen to stupidly said that zeldin had a chance.
The polling had him even. *shrug*
Eh, but it’s new York. If he’s within 10 points that will be an upset.
It’s looking like abortions trump crime and jobs after all. Who knew!
A lot of people in new York are just locked in to voting blue. They don’t know any Republicans, and if they did they would stop associating with them. They don’t even hear team red messaging, outside of sound bites taken out of context by the MSM and the people they follow on Twitter.
Also, lots of right leaning people left new York and are now in Florida… *Cough*
I find it hard to believe these are actual humans voting that way.
They don’t call them NPCs for nothing.
Great article WTF. Your byzantine process is even worse than California’s. Congratulations?
One of Rand Paul’s victory tweets was basically “Fauci, I’m coming for your ass.” lol
Awaiting cries of “Congress is going after private citizen Fauci”
Good. Fauci should have Chinese water torture performed on him until the day of his death.
Not seeing the “wave” that is required in order for that to happen.
I stand by my 51-49 Senate and a small majority in the house. Not exactly sure how much that means but he can be hauled into the Senate to answer questions.
It’s definitely not a wave. Just your normal pendulum swing.
Yup. Most voters seem to be usual team players responding to whatever local issues strike their fancy. No one seems to be thinking the man in the mirror is the problem.
When I look in the mirror, the man is me. I can’t be the problem.
I remember bigger “waves” in previous midterms. This one is looking like seriously weak sauce and it doesn’t make sense to me.
Senate candidates are what is dragging it down, however, looks to be a split government and that is a win.
True.
If the house swings hard right and the Senate does not, you can probably bank on that being a product of cheating.
It’s harder to game the House seats than the statewide ones.
Or…the Stupid Party picked a lot of shitty candidates for Senate races.
Porque no los dos?
I’ll take shitty over literally retarded totalitarians.
Yup, it’s both.
I disagree SN, it’s just that the retarded candidates happen to also be evil and/or puppeteered by evil people. I’m sure a good-hearted slow person would do a fantastic job compared to the current crop, if they could be somehow independent.
Then accept the loss without screaming “cheaters”!
It’s going to be a ripple at best. ///ManagedExpectations
Freespoke’s house map is almost entirely red.
https://freespoke.com/election/2022
House.
Aaaaaahahahaha!!!!!
Luria is getting crushed.
I was pissed that they redistricted and I couldn’t vote against that sack of shit.
House flip will give the required non-stop commissions etc, leaving less time for bills. I will take that as a win. Already heard “well if the Dems still have the Senate they can still pass their agenda…” In other words, if they lose a house, they will just ignore it
Really mixed signals so far.
My district is weird – it’s all of Staten Island plus my corner of Brooklyn – it went from D to R last time, now the same D candidate wants it back and is getting absolutely crushed.
Otherwise the R “wave” seems to be not happening or maybe it’s just too early.
I think every R in the metro area is in your district.
30 minutes until “polls” “close”. Waiting to see if the dipshit Fudds and Califuctards get their gun control fantasy passed.
I’m back from a NHLA event. Early returns in NH don’t look promising, but we’ll see in the morning. Sununu won reelection. Barf.
I see Mastriano is closing in on Shapiro and Oz is closing in on Fetterman. Another we’ll see what happens overnight.
‘night all. The weekend and today have wiped me out.
It’s early but my girl Kari seems to be possibly underperforming. Dangit.
lol. Too early to call Nevada races…
Checks multiple sites all state 0.0% reporting in.
Well, at least they aren’t pulling an 2020 AZ call.
Oh goody, the POS with his hand up the backside of the Gabby Giffords puppet is going back to Washington.
Was doing a refresh of https://www.politico.com/2022-election/results/ and it will for a split second, inject different data and go back to current data when you click their “new data loaded” button.
IN the top left? It does that without you doing anything.
When I click it, the graphic Senate: Tied for Now quickly flashes to Dems Lead. Probably on my end…but still curious.
The mask slips.
Yeah, they don’t lead me.
California polls just closed and Fox just called it for Newsom. Lol. Team Red is dead at the state level.
That was true over a decade ago.
the Politico map above called Padilla before the polls closed with 0 reporting. oy. Why are we here with these people who want to live in shit? how much worse does it have to be until people say these people are incompetent evil fucktards and vote them out?
If heads didn’t roll after the lockdowns they never will. Sorry.
Absolutely true.
I plan to leave when I retire. I’m here until youngest daughter graduates college so another 6 years.
I think it’s fair to say people who can move out are doing so. The people staying are enriched by the status quo, poor, not paying attention, or wealthy enough that the problems most people have don’t affect them. This will not turn around. See Illinois, New York, and New Jersey. Population will continue to decrease as anyone with the ability and motive to leave does so.
My theory is most politicians, of any stripe, are opportunists and will latch onto whatever system is in place.
That greasy shitbag didn’t even have to campaign this time. He didn’t even bother to write a candidate statement in the voter guide. Ridiculous fucking shit.
It’s crazy that there’s still some fight left in NY but CA is a lost cause.
There are some interesting House races but Hochul winning tells me you are just as dead as we are.
Yeah, it has been for a while. There will be no political improvement here for a very long time.
Once he survived the recall it was obvious our fellow zombies would elect the greasy shitbag emperor.
Unfortunately true.
It doesn’t appear there’s going to be a red wave, though the House should end up marginally GOP. I wonder if the abortion decision is going to be the biggest factor; perhaps SCOTUS should have found a way to delay the decision to 2023. Donnie Two Scoops hasn’t helped either. Given the 2022 results in a terrible inflationary economy, the Dems should be salivating for 2024 if the recession is over by then. There are certainly more ahole voters than even the most cynical of us believed.
Senate candidates really hurt. Red shift is a better term.
That’s been my take away as well. I’m 2024 time will go south big time. Like president Kamala bad.
Newsome v Trump is probably heading our way…so a complete and absolute shitshow
😂
If so, at least I get to keep my governor for the full 4 years.
Wow. Massachusetts is so much less retarded than NJ. No reference letters from your 3 best friends. They want only two names and addresses and nobody contacts them. No conditions on how closely they need to know you. I can carry any gun I like–as long as it’s “legal” in MA. No CCP for a specific gun. My fingerprints were taken only once at the police department where I applied for an LTC (FID in NJ, same as a CCP if you get it without restrictions). No need to apply for a new permit to buy another handgun. No judicial hearing of any kind to get a permit. I live in one of the wokest towns in MA (firearm permits are issued by town police departments in MA) and I got an LTC without restrictions (=CCP) years before Bruen.
Good down ticket wins though…Ohio passed that only citizens can vote, AGs are looking good, Florida down ticket was dominated…
WTF, Vermont? You vote for a Team Red governor with roughly 70% of the vote, and then for a Team Blue Senator by roughly the same margin?
1.5 hours after polls closed…NV…not reporting? Or PJ Media isn’t updating.
WSJ saying for Nevada: “First results expected 1 hour ago”
I assume he brings the pork home good and hard.
/not a euphemism
Isn’t it?
Trump’s good record in primaries getting trounced in generals…
Florida is able to call its elections…AZ and most likely NV will claim they need the weekend to do so.
JFC Whitmer won. What’s the matter with Michigan?
People want to be ruled not represented.
It sure does look that way.
yeah none of the hard lockdown govs appear to be getting punished at all. I guess too many Democrats still feel it was all worth it (and we know some feel like we should still be in lockdown).
Sunk cost fallacy.
We already sacrificed during the pandemic, if we admit it was wrong, that’s like another loss all over.
Detroit.
F
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If the house goes GOP, which is hard to believe it won’t, I’m excited for all the Vox/Salon etc. Explainers touting the importance of the Senate.
Looks like the red wave not gonna happen.
Are you predicting the house stays Dem? Heaven help us all if that’s the case
I think it’ll be pretty close to even.
What a boring election.
Is this in accent or not?
Also, not seeing tallies from Salt Lake, but looking like I won’t have a McDonald’s breakfast sandwich representing me in the Senate.
Missouri did its due diligence to replace Roy Blunt with the guy who sued KC and StL for their mask mandates.
How the fuck is allowing wine sales in grocery stores losing? Its close enough to flip, but it should be a landslide.
At least the income tax reduction passed. While passing every new spending program possible.
More article on Colorado ballot measures…yeah, just assume the opposite of how I voted. Except for income tax.
My, not more.
See above. People want to be led and they want to impose their views on others via government force.
And not pay taxes.
Everybody wants to rule the world…
Just not pay for it.
The people of Colorado have spoken. At the local level for me (Denver), we apparently want tent cities, shitting in the streets, etc. I will continue to shrug and tell my middle-class, rule-following, friends “this is what people want” as we drive around town.
Other than liquor store owners, who opposes wine in grocery stores?
Even Soth Carolina has that right and they still had the mini bottle law 20 years ago.
People feel bad about independent liquor stores, which have had a nice income stream and now disruption occurs. That’s all I can figure. Every wine-drinking, guilt-ridden person is welcome to keep buying wine at the local.
Also, “people feel bad” seems to be the operating impulse of the electorate.
I had to vote against some county spending bs. But I agree, and also wtf state does not have wine in grocery stores?
Colorado and Kentucky, for two.
Good lord…I literally bought liquor in a Walmart in Florida while on spring break in college…I’d move there if the weather wasn’t such shit.
You get used to it.
So they say.
NY raises its hand.
We more liquor stores than grocery stores but they’re all tiny and expensive.
Even with the old school Dem spoiler, the hateful dyke from PA is still leading.
And of course gun control is passing. Stopped in at LGS, they already put their distributor buys on hold pending results. Sounds like they are going to get a moving van before they get put out of business entirely.
Yep. Portland and Benton County. Heck, even Lane is split on it.
Without looking at precincts, I’d guess urban/rural split. Even Springfield is a lot less Springtucky than it used to be.
There’s some good ole boys in Monroe and Alsea and such, but they can pretty much get stuffed. I remember when a R represented the county in Congress, state legislature (sometimes), and at least one of the county commissioners.
It’s late night for many of you but dinner time here and the polls are still open in Hawaii. Our voting is 100% by mail but each county has 1-2 drop boxes by the major post offices to accept ballots for a few more minutes. So we are fucked by mail in voting, but at least no ballots are accepted after today.
I did have an opportunity to vote for LP candidates for two Federal offices.
I am having wasabi scallops and French 75’s for dinner. I should sleep pretty well tonight until I can rage over “fortifications” in multiple states in the morning. I grew up in Arizona and wonder if zombie Barry Goldwater could win in a state he was the dominant political personality. My guess is that both the Dems and GOP would reject him.
I’m trying to remember what I had, apparently I last ate around 3:30.
Turns out the cheese is now green, so that’s in the trash.
I gotta get out of this place.
All I’ve managed to do is put onions, peppers, and mushrooms on to cook down.
I should have finish with – I have no idea what I’m actually making.
Omelet?
No gravy. Just a big ol bowl of gravy. Call it soup if it makes you feel better about yourself, but you know it would be delicious.
Add biscuits and you’re in business.
Naw, I cut up kielbasa and threw it in the pan with the veggies.
Sounds delicious!
If I get hungry I’ve got some left over Louisiana inspired soup in the fridge I’m eying, with chicken and andouille sausage.
I put too much butter in and it looks like I’m boiling them in it.
I’m just screwing up tonight.
And now I fucked up turning it into gravy.
Did you add baking soda instead of baking powder by mistake? Should have just gone with flour.
I added flour.
Then failed to cook it correctly, so it’s gritty and uncooked.
Hmm…2 hours and no reporting from NV. Alaska and Hawaii will close and report before NV does.
yeah, that’s weird. No partial results to report?
First batch dropped.
None Of These Candidates OTH 5,070 1.12%
I wish that # was higher
Also the NV SoS site is absolutely a timewarp to 1999
None of the Above is going to beat out the NV libertarian party candidates.
Arizona is looking irrecoverably blue. What a shame
Fortified…
Maricopa County (Phoenix area) is the big swinging dick in the state. It has roughly 52% of the population (4.5M) and is one of the fastest growing counties in the country (over 600K in 2021) with big chunks coming from California. Pima County (Tucson) with 1M is the second largest and is traditionally Dem. The other 13 counties (~1.7M) don’t really count. If Maricopa goes blue then the rest of the state must just suck it up.
then the rest of the state must just suck it up.
…or ignore dictates from that locale…
I agree. When I finish working out here, I am moving back to North America. AZ is one possible spot but the state is no longer the same place I grew up in. I also am considering WY, MT, and WA. WY and MT are currently leading, but can I put up with those winters like I did when I was younger?
You can scratch WA right off that list. We are a few short years away from total blue hell. My wag is that WY will hold out longer than MT.
We are moving East and hoping that FL has the same effect as CA does..bleed off to surrounding states.
I got home and jumped on the election zoom and no one was there. Where is all the vitriol and drunkeness!? Glibs just ain’t what it used to be.
People confused sober october with no nut november and are not currently imbibing
While several results are still up in the air (until Thanksgiving when Dems finally find enough ballots to “win”…), I am just going to leave my blackpill here: The system is fucked, the country is fucked, and we as individuals are fucked. Either our elections are bullshit or enough people are that far gone.
That said I am maintaining a positive demeanor…
Trashy laid out the path for us all to follow. Disengage and look out for your immediate sleeves and family
Gun shows not permitted anymore!?
No! Phone posting has never been my strong suit, sleeves withstanding
🎶 Always look on the bright side of life… 🎵
Today was an odd day. First, after I had researched my state assembly candidates, I went in to vote only to realize I had been redistricted and didn’t know anything about the candidates that were actually on my ballot. Ooof. Then, before I had left the house I had read that Power Ball had finally drawn and there was no winner. So after voting I thought, sure I did one meaningless and futile gesture why not do another? So I bought me some Power Ball tickets, and then a few minutes later on the drive to work I heard there actually was a damn winner.
Swiss Servitor Hardest Hit: Manitowoc man to stand trial for allegedly killing a goose with his truck
Such a flair for understatement.
Fuck Steve Ballmer’s cunte wife.
You first.
*hurls chair with rope attached to own leg over cliff*
Lol
Not the greatest of nights for the non child altering, non Covid lockdowning, non nuclear warring with Russia crowd tonight looks like. Trump’s announcement next week that he’ll be running should be the perfect cherry to top off this shit sundae.
I’m hoping there is a large enough contingent of the GOP that has soured on him or taken a liking to DeSantis. I really, really don’t want him to be the Repub nominee.
doG I hope he doesn’t run again. A Kneepad Harris presidency is just what we don’t need.
He had good ideas but was an absolute shit chief executive.
If he runs, and he’s gonna, the next presidential election will be a national repeat of Pennsylvania with a celebrity losing to a shambling idiot. His endorsement of that fool Oz alone should be enough to disqualify him.
So true.
But The Hat and Hair DESERVE a second term!
You have a knack for finding the silver lining.
So how it goin? Are we winning?
Morning glibbies
Parties are winning; people are fucked. Morning.
Winning? Yes…and no…
Lump…good god this isn’t cheating, its the pulse of the nation.
At least he’s going to find that jet pack we were all promised.
Almost any other candidate could have beaten Fetterman. Trump deserves the credit for this instance of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
How incredibly fucked up does PA have to be to send the Fetterlump thing to represent them in the Senate no matter what normal human being was his opponent?
The nation is fucked, stick fork in us, we’re done.
Oz isn’t a normal human being unfortunately and has made friendly statements to both abortion and gun control. He wasn’t much of a draw to get conservatives to the polls, Trump’s endorsement be damned. Any reasonable conservative with a modicum of political savvy would have beaten Fetterman like a drum.
Or maybe decades of leftist indoctrination in both the education system and media have had an effect. Either that or the majority of people really do want more violent crime, record inflation, destruction of the economy, etc. etc.
Or maybe it’s all just “TEAM! HURR DURR” and they outnumber the normies.
He was able to put off the debate until after around 500,000 people had already voted. Probably why he won.
I see Stacy Abrams is winning again, good for her.
Her victory will be an MSNBC show.
Welp, given how widespread the insanity is tonight, I think I can safely discount cheating; people really are just. that. stupid.
The people get what they vote for, good and hard.
There goes the neighborhood.
They get what they vote for and so do we unfortunately.
On thing I noticed is a pretty stoic response from the crazy right wing MEDIA@! @#K# “Regroup, rethink, and move on” has been the message as opposed to the typical Dem breakdowns of the sky is falling.
I think Trumps announcement will be he is not running in 24 after tonight. I believe he was hoping his king-making abilities would pay off tonight but they didn’t. He isn’t getting the allies he needs/wants.
At least that is what I am hoping because Team Red is just as much for voting for party as are the Dems.
Don’t think his ego will let him do it. Or Ivanka/Kushner need moar power/money/cocktail invites.
Hope you’re right but I wonder if his ego will allow it and he’s not exactly the greatest at learning from his mistakes.
He can run, but we will find out if the left was correct to call his followers a cult and or if they primary him for a stronger candidate. But nah, looks like Old Man will be right…Harris for at minimum 4 years.
Are the Republicans going to take the house? I thought that was without a doubt?
We’re waiting for the 4am vote drops.
You’re up late. Did you give yourself food poisoning with your failed sausage gravy?
I don’t know.
Are you not feeling well?
Well, my digestive tract is determined to empty itself.
😟 So sorry! Hope you feel better ASAP!
No doubt.
Wasn’t expecting this result. Despite the table being set perfectly for a win, the GOP couldn’t deliver. That is not good for their prospects in 2024. My initial reaction is: offer the public something (no matter how insane or evil) for people to reach for and you’ll likely win against the “whoa, let’s slow down a bit”/“let’s go back to how things were” people. Screw the idea that American is just a few clever fixes and tweaks to the system away from being back on track. National divorce is my preferred solution. Maybe there are better solutions, but running better candidates or voting harder isn’t going to do it. You’re outnumbered in a democracy (it’s a rEpUbliC!) and so we gotta face that fact.
It is amazing how many races were called tonight, with GOP leading in the polls and then losing, versus all the warnings of ‘we might not get to count all the ballots for days, maybe even weeks’ spin that was being put out just yesterday.
The OFFICIAL Wisconsin elections board.
Meanwhile, Tony Evers has been declared to have won a second term already after raping and pillaging the state during covid,
From their own link:
Flashback to 2020
So who’d you vote for for Governor?
That said, you’re right about the US. Beyond hope at this point. Either the electorate is completely clueless, the leftists have a lock on the system, or both. If unconstitutional lockdowns and incredibly destructive monetary policy can’t wake up the assholes, L Spooner was right.
Fuck this shit, I think I’ll move to Japan. I have light brown hair and green eyes but I think I can manage to fit in. I’ll take the threats of tsunamis, Godzilla, and being nuked by the Norks over the leftists here any day.
I’ll welcome you, at least.
Be careful putting your wealth into yens.
Probably the first time the polls have been wrong towards Republicans. Normally they out perform the polls by 2-3 percentage points.
Biden’s performance is so strong that the usual midterm wave didn’t stand a chance.
Right? 🤪
Well this seems disappointing.
All the predictions of Biden being “pushed out” will probably be wrong now.
I don’t see how this helps Trump. I think it hurts him.
No major changes in fiscal policy.
Gas prices up?
Fall of Rome feeling.
The one bright light is maybe GOP voters will stop letting Trump pick their candidates.
Heh, a random comment from an article on ZeroHedge unrelated to the election:
“Dragonlord
2 hours ago
(Edited)
So who are the real fascists now?
BTW Penn is a state of retards”
A little harsh perhaps, Sean seems smart enough.
Thank you.
My titties are not calm.
Mornin Glibs.
😠😠😠😠😠😠
Morning Sean:
Weren’t we here at this same place 2 years ago?
turn that frown upside down
Starting to look like the Red Wave was more a Red Trickle of Piss.
Democrats find themselves in possibly the most vulnerable position they’ve been in in decades and this was all the Republicans could muster. I mean, yeah, I expected the newly elected Republicans to be next to useless once in office but they couldn’t even manage to get there. How pathetic.
If there’s one thing that can be relied on it’s the Republicans’ ability to fuck it on an election. Bad candidates, bad endorsements, bad allocation of funds, and bad messaging, see Lindsey Graham’s recent quasi sabotage for this one, aren’t a winning combination.
It’s almost as if the leaders of the Republican Party WANT to be nothing more than controlled opposition.
/narrator: They want to be nothing more than controlled opposition.
But the Democrats spent years making sure the levers of the elections were optimized for them. Years working on the their turnout methods. Years making sure the laws favored their voting methods.
And the Republicans didn’t run the best candidates.
And the Republicans let the Dems spend years doing all those things with little to token resistance on the by and large even in not solidly blue states. Completely useless.
R’s doing anything to help themselves electorally is a threat to our Democracy.
Waves must be high enough to get over the fortifications.
It’s good cop/bad cop routine and people don’t realize they both working for the same department. Any real threat to them and they pull out the knives.
Good morning anyway, Stinky, TH, Pie (afternoon for you!), ‘bodru, and Sean!
Please remind me: what comes after “…ballot box…”?
Depression?
utopia
Dick in a Box?
https://vimeo.com/478115100
That was actually funny. I didn’t think SNL still did that.
I like Justin Timberlake. I used to enjoy watching him with Fallon on The Tonight Show until Fallon went off the deep end politically.
Fallon got the message when he enraged his audience by not lynching Trump live and on air when he had him on his show. He was actually civil which cannot be tolerated.
They don’t. That video has to be at least a dozen years old. Probably the last thing I actually liked from that show. Timberlake is a talented guy, I’ll give him that.
that is old… lonely island days of snl had some decent stuff, or so Pie thought at the time
Monkey vs. Robot is still the best project Andy Samberg has ever been involved in, bar none.
I see that MI, NY, PA, and AZ hate themselves.
I don’t get Kemp winning big while the senate race is apparently going to go to a runoff.
those people just know how to vote in their own interest.
If I were a democrate I would mock the red wave the coming weeks
They certainly can mock it when they sure as hell know how to fortify. I keep hearing it was the young kids that vote (D), but I saw zero young people voting other than those that vote republican in my state.
Lake’s still got a chance doesn’t she? Or doesn’t she?
Roe v wade was the gift to the Dems some claimed it was, it appears
No it was not. Fortification was.
Maybe in some isolated spots, Arizona maybe, there were shenanigans but this is too widespread to be illicit. For whatever reason a large portion of the public is perfectly content with staying the current disastrous course. At least we stand a possibility of getting Medicare covered sex change operations out of this.
Bear in mind this is only the 2nd election in US history in which the majority of votes were cast by mail, and the 2nd election in US history in which historic and unprecedented poll-defying numbers turned up for one party. We’ll never know with certainty if it was or wasn’t illicit, of course, for the reason we’ll never know the same about 2020, because this entire schema for voting is designed to be unverifiable. But it certainly strains credulity that solid-red states all suddenly turned into impenetrable blue enclaves in the span of ~3 years.
Maybe, it just seems that meaningful fraud being so widespread from district to district and state to state would be unambiguously detected somewhere.
It is, but only the retail fraud. The wholesale fraud occurs during counting, and once all the ballots are in the big pile of counted ballots, its unverifiable.
Or, as in Maricopa after 2020, the evidence is destroyed. Read up on the audit of Maricopa. Much was not turned over, or shenanigans like the voting machines given to the auditors weren’t the ones actually used, etc.
And nothing else happened.
“this entire schema for voting is designed to be unverifiable”
Yup. Combine that with the fact billions (or trillions) of dollars are at stake, and ask yourself what the odds are that nobody is cheating.
Incredibly, in AZ under a Repub governor and legislature nothing was done after the 2020 shenanigans. Just as nothing was done before 2020 in the face of numerous credible reports of significant voter fraud in Maricopa County. Now, urbanization is probably a root cause/long term trend of AZ going Dem, but the accelerant is pretty unquestionably, in my mind, preventable fraud.
Of course, the center of power is no longer the elected branches, its the agencies (much more so at the federal level), so it matters less, but still . . . .
Considering the demographics of abortion, I’d be surprised if it was a factor in any competitive races. 50 state mail-in voting with no oversight, on the other hand, appears to be the gift that keeps on giving.
^^^THIS^^^
I think that’s what happened in NH, combined with a little appropriate of MAGA rhetoric with sides of Republicans oppose price controls on drugs/Republicans want to take your Social Security away/Republicans want to take your Medicare away.
appropriation, not appropriate.
“US Feds Raid Silk Road Hacker’s Home And Find $3.36B Of Stolen Crypto In A Popcorn Tin”
https://hothardware.com/news/us-feds-raid-silk-road-hackers-home-find-336b-stolen-crypto-popcorn-tin
Stolen back in the days that Bitcoin wasn’t worth nearly so much. He should’ve just tossed that shit in the ocean once the value ballooned to what it is now, now he’s going to lose the money and about 20 years.
I wonder what will happen to Bitcoin’s value once the amount held by the fucking US government exceeds 50%. It’s gotta be pretty close as it is.
Fed coin is a pretty good hacker honeypot it seems. I didn’t realize the transactions were so easily traceable.
Yeah, Bitcoin was never really designed for anonymity. There’s other cryptocurrencies that are a lot better on that score, but Bitcoin’s rapidly-rising value and first-mover name recognition, along with a gross misunderstanding of the tech by non-cyber-criminals, seem to have made it into the perfect honeypot. I half wonder if the real Satoshi Nakamoto wasn’t a three letter agency higher up.
The entire point of bitcoin is that every transaction is recorded and traceable. The idea that it could be used anonymously is one of the more bizarre lies out there.
Shapiro and Fetterman win. Creech, you win the bet. What nonprofit do I donate to?
Now I wonder if I’m going to lose my Biden bet with Jarflax. Will the puppetmasters behind the throne still “25th Amendment” Biden for Harris early next year?
do you people even have betting license?
Christ on a bike… You can’t get past step 1 without 2nd AND 4th amendment violations.
Oh, the entire program is just a giant middle finger to the constitution. And especially egregious under Bruen.
I know it shouldn’t, but it still does somehow manage to boggle my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional bullshit not only was put in place, but is allowed to stand.
The thing about NJ is once you actually get the carry permit, there are very few restrictions, because previously almost nobody could get one. Now that “justifiable need” is gone and anyone who goes through the process can get one, they are looking to add all sorts of bullshit restrictions. But they are already set to be challenged as soon as they vote/sign it into law, and as it gets before the court NJ’s original set of rules will likely also come under scrutiny. So, they could be stupidly shooting themselves in the foot.
Here’s hoping. I’m glad you were able to get through the process, but tbh, I’d sooner just pick up and leave to a friendlier locale. Anywhere you go you have to deal with the blatantly unconstitutional and privacy-shredding NICS bullshit, but at least you can avoid the kafkaesque licensing process.
🙁 I had to turn on the furnace. I didn’t want to, but it got too cold in the house.
By definition you did want to, if you turned it on
No. I can’t afford to run it.
I thought you made good money and were mostly out of debt
That was before inflation and the extortion demand from the school district.
Oh come one it can’t be that bad.
Also, if it did not get to cold, no one would turn on the furnace
Amazing, this permit application is even worse than NY, although NY does share the “you can only carry what is written on your permit” rule.
It’s a firearm carry permit, not a firearmS carry permit.
I shall refrain from flaunting my PA rights.
Laugh it up, lumpy-boy.