Sort of Off the Grid, Prepper or Cheapskate

by | Dec 6, 2022 | Prepper | 123 comments

 

When I was a teenager my folks bought 80 acres in north central Minnesoda,

heavily wooded with a few acres open. Sandy soil, perfect for growing pine

trees, not so good for farming. It had an old house that had been added on

with several rooms and porches. No electricity, no running water, primitive

by today’s standards but it was reasonably cheap. My folks cleaned it up,

bought some livestock and we were going to be farmers. It was early enough

in the spring that we had time for a garden. When winter came we had a

barrel stove in the living room that kept that room warm and a wood burning

cook stove so the kitchen was hot in the summer and comfortable in the

winter, as long as the fire was going.

 

The farming part didn’t work out so well, my Dad had to get a job to buy

feed for the cows and finally decided to sell the cattle and just work for

wages. My brother and I grew up and left but they stayed on the farm, the

REA had brought power and my Dad put an electric pump on the well. They

still burned wood but finally had to change out to a fuel oil stove in

their later years.

 

The years pass for us all and it was time to me to decide how I’d spend my

retirement. I wanted to return to my earlier life style but with a little

more comfort. My wife and I had gotten accustomed to

a more modern way of living but still wanted to keep some of our earlier

traditions. She was from a small village in the south of Viet Nam, I had

never stopped being a bumpkin. In addition we were sort of independent in

our thinking, both thrifty (cheap) and willing to work. We found the

property we liked and started nailing boards together. Actually a little

more complicated but still…

 

Building the house, upstairs

 

I wanted a wood furnace that would heat the whole house. I also wanted a

propane back up, for those times when we might be gone for a while. The

missus wanted a big, modern kitchen. We both got our wishes. Now I had to

provide the wood for the winter and garden produce for her to can or freeze

for the off season. I bought a tiller and a chainsaw and went to work. I

had no idea how much wood we’d need so I cut, split and stacked what I

thought was enough.

 

 

As it turned out I had cut plenty for the first year and that gave me sort

of an idea of how much we would need. The first few years I stored the wood

outside with a tarp over it in the winter, that worked out fairly well but

I always had an excess, money in the bank sort of thing. I decided I needed

a wood shed to store the wood, keep it dry and not worry about having too

much.

 

Fall 2005

 

I contracted with some Amish guys that built metal buildings. I went with a

30 X 40 structure, big enough for wood and to store some equipment inside.

Every Spring I would cut, haul, split and store my wood in the shed. I

found that I always cut too much and over the years the woodshed was full.

Then I was back to storing the excess outside and burning that first but

with a shed full of wood, enough for several years.

 

 

As the years passed I realized that unless I stopped cutting I never would

get to the wood in the shed and some other person would be enjoying my

work. In the fall of 2019 I broke into my wood savings account. That wood

was super dry and we used that for ’19 and ’20.

 

 

It was great, not having to cut wood any more and living off the stored

stuff. During the years of inflation I’d convinced myself that I had

accumulated interest and I was saving even more money. Then the fateful day

in March 2021 all my plans suddenly changed. We turned the switch and the

propane furnace started and we didn’t need to worry about being cold. We

coasted through the winter of 2021 and only stopped to cry when the truck

came and filled up the tank.

 

 

We still had a shed full of wood. I was thinking maybe if I hauled small

loads I could sort of get back to burning wood, as long as the snow and

cold weather isn’t too severe. Now with December upon us we still haven’t

used the gas, I’ve been able to keep the wood box full and start the fire

every morning. It feels good to keep the tradition alive. One day soon

we’ll have to switch back to the gas and Cheapskate (or Prepper) Fourscore

will cry again.

 

We really don’t live off the grid, we need the electric to keep everything

humming, even the fan on the wood furnace. It’s a game of pretend but it

works for us.

 

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Fourscore

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123 Comments

  1. Brochettaward

    A Firster’s love is very different from that of a seconder.

    • MikeS

      He loves himself more than anyone or anything else? And often.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        A Laster’s love is forever.

      • Chafed

        Yes, with calloused, chapped hands.

  2. MikeS

    Can confirm; Fourscore has a lot of wood.

    • pistoffnick

      Yes he does. I believe he sold some of that wood to Stillhunter so Fourscore is also a dirty capitalist!

      Yet he charges ridiculously low prices for his honey.

      I can attest to Mrs. Fourscore’s proficiency in the kitchen. Her chicken thighs are awesome.

      • rhywun

        Mmmm, I love a good thigh.

      • Fourscore

        No, no,no. The wood Stillhunter got was part of the wood stove sale. No sale unless he took the wood and a wood box. I hope he comes next year and we’ll make him take another load.

      • pistoffnick

        It was nice to finally meet him.

  3. MikeS

    You need a power toboggan to tow your ice gear out on the hard water. They don’t run on wood though.

    • Fourscore

      Prepper or Cheapskate? The first few years I was fishing 4-5 days a week, winter/summer. I enjoy fishing alone. No fishing now, sadly.

      • MikeS

        I haven’t fished in forever. Always something else to do. And the wife doesn’t like fish so it was always two separate meals if I caught anything.

      • CPRM

        The fishing story I tell everyone: When I moved from Las Vegas all I wanted to do was buy a case of beer and sit on the dock and fish. Bought many a case of beer since, but never got around to the fishing.

  4. Animal

    The snowy pic is sure looking familiar right now.

    • Hyperion

      I figured you surpassed that in September.

  5. Mojeaux

    So, what’s the exchange rate from cured wood to dollars?

    • Fourscore

      Roughly $200 a cord (4 X 4 X 8 ft), I would burn 5 + in the house, another cord or so in the garage.

      • DEG

        That’s about what I paid for a cord three or four years ago.

        Even though I have trees on my property, I bought wood. I was going to try cutting down trees on my lot given the layout of the neighborhood and my own lack of skills.

        I’ve had trees removed, and the guys removing the trees asked if I wanted the wood. I told them no, since at the time I had those trees removed my shed was full.

  6. Count Potato

    “Now with December upon us we still haven’t used the gas, I’ve been able to keep the wood box full and start the fire every morning.”

    Great to hear you are doing better.

    • Fourscore

      I’ve kind of topped out, I can run the snow blower and the garden tiller ’cause they have handles I can hold. Use the garden tractor, etc.
      I’m grateful for those things that I can do. Thanks CP

      • Chafed

        Keep at it Fourscore.

  7. Hyperion

    Nice story. Man, that is a lot of wood, you done raped mama Gaia good and hard!

  8. Hyperion

    How many acres do you have there?

    • Fourscore

      Now about 70, we’ve given 2 smaller pieces away, about 13 acres or so.

      • Hyperion

        Wow, good for you.

  9. DEG

    I contracted with some Amish guys that built metal buildings.

    Good choice. The Amish are good folks.

  10. R.J.

    My brother just moved back to Texas from a big parcel in Washington State. No more wood chopping for him! I salute your diligence, Fourscore!

    • Fourscore

      Many years ago I moved from Texas to MN. My kids still live in TX, they would be lost living in the woods.

  11. creech

    I thought we were all more concerned with woodchippers than woodchoppers?

    • R.J.

      Some times we even care about flipper dippers and whippersnappers.

      • rhywun

        +23 skidoo

  12. Tundra

    Fourscore, you shame us all.

    I’m gonna share this with my boy. You two are cut from the same cloth!

    • Fourscore

      We need the daily challenges, though mine are limited these days. I would have a tough time living in a city or even a town anymore.

      • Tundra

        My kid just texted that your life is his dream.

        Winning!

  13. pistoffnick

    You know what grows well in sand?
    Squash.
    My Momma and I grew lots (I mean LOTS) of squash in sandy soil.
    We got so good at it that we got tired of eating squash. Squash soup, frozen squash, zucchini bread.
    Hubbard.
    Acorn.
    Buttercup.
    Butternut.
    Zucchini
    .
    .
    .
    I have only recently started eating squash again.

    • rhywun

      My mom tried to make me like squash. It didn’t take.

      • Chafed

        Me too. I think it’s one of those foods you either like or don’t.

      • Zwak, who taser's the chimp with the razor.

        You are a good man, rhywun brown.

    • Fourscore

      I do like squash and watermelons. I did have about 10 or so watermelons this year. No squash but neighbors have been generous.

    • Lackadaisical

      Good to know. I’ve got super sandy soil which is the opposite of what I’ve always dealt with and thus no idea what to do.

    • Gender Traitor

      Two words:

      Zucchini brownies

      Seriously – the peeled, grated zucchini just melts away and makes the brownies incredibly moist. (They come out more “cakey” than “fudgy.”) It’s one of the few things I’m willing to go to the trouble to bake from scratch. They have been a huge hit when I’ve shared them with my coworkers (some of whom are excellent bakers themselves.)

      • Mojeaux

        more “cakey” than “fudgy.”

        I thought I knew you.

      • Gender Traitor

        There is not a darn thing wrong with fudgy brownies. There is, in fact, everything right and good and holy about them. It’s just that this particular recipe with the zucchini gives the finished product a different texture that is also awesome.

      • Mojeaux

        Well, that’s better!

        (Although I do not think as highly of cakey brownies as you do.)

      • pistoffnick

        Sisters, THERE ARE NO BAD BROWNIES!
        / I like mine with nuts

      • UnCivilServant

        There are bad brownies. Especially the burned ones.

        /no charcoal food

      • MikeS

        My mom used to purposely bake brownies just a few minutes “too long”. They’d go into the bowl under a scoop or three of vanilla ice cream. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

      • Zwak, who taser's the chimp with the razor.

        Your mom is one of the good ones, MikeS.

      • Fourscore

        Zucchini as a filler for bread is great. Since I’ve never had zuke brownies I’ll take the word of two connoisseurs . Hey, that would be a great HH dessert when you come next year.

      • Lackadaisical

        Zucchini bread is great.

      • Gender Traitor

        For quite possibly the fudgiest of fudgy brownies, consider these pancreas-busters made and sold by the family that owns the local Yuppie food market chain and beloved throughout the Miami Valley of SW OH.

      • Gender Traitor

        The pic at this link gives a better view of their gooey goodness,

      • pistoffnick

        My zucchini bread with chocolate chips was the talk of the Methodist basement Sundee brunch crowd. Of course they were all 70+ and I was yust 17-teen, if you know what I mean.

      • MikeS

        Zucchini brownies are delicious. I also loooooove fried zucchini.

  14. Lackadaisical

    Great stuff.

    Wish I could have a place in the woods too.

    • pistoffnick

      *currently looking for a place in the woods*
      /not a great market

      • Lackadaisical

        Yup. Prices are crazy near me.

      • Lackadaisical

        The occasional cabin rental or camping trip is more feasible for now…

    • Fourscore

      Getting harder and harder to find. The prices have gotten out of hand, thanks to the Government Printing Office. As cities and suburbs grow so do the prices.
      I’m thinking the WFH concept will allow some to move farther away from the home office.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Wife always wants more woods. Or did. Maybe looking at somewhere closer to civilization. Like being able to walk to grocery store.

      • Chafed

        I hear downtown Portland is nice.

      • Gustave Lytton

        It’s as not bad now that the city is doing their whitewash/cleanup. The bums are getting pushed to other places but lots of vacant businesses. Pearl is as full as ever. Same with much of the residential neighborhoods. Pretty penny for many of them. St Johns/North Lombard look like real shitholes now.

        I don’t know if she’d go back though. She worked in downtown Portland for twenty years and left when it really started getting bad. She went to drive home one night and some bum fell off the back where he’d been sleeping (and she didn’t notice). Breakins, hassles, etc too.

      • Chafed

        I’m glad to hear it’s getting better. Frankly, I’m surprised.

      • Gustave Lytton

        So I am I. Caveat that it’s just pushing the bums elsewhere and crime rates are higher than they should be (but still overall not the high and not equally spread out over the city). Also, the graffiti is still out of control.

      • Lackadaisical

        Thats a big difference.

    • rhywun

      Imagine if the Stupid Party ran someone less embarrassingly flawed.

      Fuuuck… a turnip should be able to beat that asshole Warnock.

      • MikeS

        So, with everything going against the Dems, they pick up a Senate seat and barely lose the House. Un. Fucking. Real.

      • Plinker762

        Just imagine how bad things will get if we stop doing what we are currently doing!

      • creech

        Did Walker win a crowded primary like Oz did? Oz, endorsed by Trump, won a crowded primary by only 951 votes over a guy who could have thrashed Fetterman but was found unacceptable because he didn’t go all Trumpian on the election fraud claims. Maybe it isn’t always the “Stupid Party” but just enough stupid party members to throw primaries to unwinnable candidates?

      • Chafed

        Not sure if I recall correctly but I think there were four candidates running for the GA Republican senate nomination.

  15. Zwak, who taser's the chimp with the razor.

    This was nice, FourScore. Makes me think of my fathers old place.

    No fishing, but plenty of deer, mesquite, rabbits, birds out the wazoo.

  16. Festus

    You are inspirational to me. My legs aren’t worth shit anymore but you just keep chugging along!

    • CPRM

      My legs aren’t worth shit anymore

      Neither are mine, but I embrace the mech suit future. Someday the cartoons I watched as a child will be my reality!

  17. Festus

    Fulton County swung another election. My shocked face is stuffed up Fox News’ ass. I watched the results in real time.

    • rhywun

      It’s like the rest of the country (world?) is trending in a different direction than me over the last few decades. It makes no sense. I can only SMDH.

      • Festus

        Indeed! I don’t get it at all. I’ve ODed on black pills.

      • robodruid

        I hope you brought enough to share.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Black beauties? 😉 Naw, j/k.

        Glad you’re feisty again, Festy.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        (Well, you sound thus, anyway.)

  18. CPRM

    Of course Walker was going to lose, Vikings always choke.

    • Sean

      “Of course Walker was going to lose, ”

      Yup. Commie rat fuckers got cheating down to an art form now on a large scale.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Meh, Walker was a shitty candidate and Atlanta is a thing…the people there would vote for The Devil Himself if he was a Dem while the Reps will tend to stay home if a candidate’s personal life doesn’t comport with their ideas of decorum. Not that cheating doesn’t happen there but Reps need to do better vetting before they endorse another guy who’s paid for god knows how many abortions in an antiabortion state.

      • Sean

        Record setting early voting – for a run off election. Uh huh.

        (Your points are still valid.)

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        The early voting numbers are because of the system being changed due to Covid and those changes were stupidly bought into by the Republicans at the time. The Dems are good at vote harvesting, not cheating but still sleazy, and the Republicans better get over their misgivings about the practice or they’re screwed.

      • Gustave Lytton

        I don’t see how vote harvesting is any different than other get out the vote efforts such as poll rides or phone calling/door to door canvassing.

      • Lackadaisical

        Because it puts ballots in the hands of literal political operatives without any oversight, thus compromising the integrity of the election? Personally I think it should be illegal.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Get rid of the Aussie ballot. Have complete integrity in voting.

      • Sean

        We’ve seen broken pipes, “found” thumb drives, late night deliveries after counting had stopped, blocked poll watchers, ballots found in desk drawers, unlawful mail in ballots, duplicated ballots, etc.

        I’m saying they’ve graduated from obvious shenanigans to being able to hide it better.

        I’m sure we’ll still see registered voter’s addresses at vacant lots if someone looks hard enough.

    • Lackadaisical

      Guy even got a couple hours to sober up.

      ‘A legal blood draw was taken around 5:30 p.m., which showed Burney had a blood alcohol concentration of .086, which is above the legal limit, according to the affidavit.’

      But yeah, clearly not a favorite of the boss/colleagues.

    • Gender Traitor

      Was expecting this. (Slightly different time frame…and circumstances…)

    • DEG

      Wolf: “I’m going to second guess myself for the rest of my life, and I’m sure others will be looking over my shoulder doing the same thing. I’m going to be comforted by the fact that, at the time, I was doing what I thought was best, and I wasn’t being driven by expediency or politics.”

      Bullshit.

    • Lackadaisical

      I definitely get your hatred of the asshole, but his answers are better than most democrats who literally think that democracy means ‘democrats get their way’.

      “Wolf: “That’s the way democracies work. You disagree or you agree. And if you don’t agree, you express that. In a perfect world, in a really smooth functioning democracy, sometimes you end up with better public policy.”

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      -Prince Harry, Meghan receive award from Robert F. Kennedy’s daughter

      Entitled twat gives award to entitled twats…

      • Lackadaisical

        Does she have an only fans? Why is this girl famous?

        ‘The Sussexes received the award alongside five other recipients, including Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, at a gala emceed by actor Alec Baldwin.’

        That is too perfect.

        ‘with Meghan speaking out about being suicidal during her time as a royal.’

        What a drama queen. But I’m sure she told Harry that.

        Kind of glad the King’s office has said they’re not going to hold their fire- let people see just how tawdry these folks are.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        The Alec Baldwin emceeing is kind of the cherry on top isn’t it? Maybe they can get that crypto huckster and his very physically attractive polyamorous girlfriend to host next year.

      • Lackadaisical

        He was just advancing equity, by putting someone in the ground, the only place we’re all equal.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Special Guests – Michael Beschloss and Michael Bolton

        I’m not sure which one is worse, but at least Bolton doesn’t want me dead.

      • rhywun

        an honor given by the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights organization to leaders who have “demonstrated an unwavering commitment to social change and worked to protect and advance equity, justice, and human rights.”

        Then President Z went home, banned another political party, and consolidated what was left of independent media.

        You cannot make this shit up.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        And maybe a church or two.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        The Sussexes received the award alongside five other recipients, including Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, at a gala emceed by actor Alec Baldwin.

        Another recipient was the CEO of BOA, Brian Moynihan. You don’t make it to the top of one of the 800lb Gorilla banks unless you’re a psychopath.

        I’ll note that while Moynihan wasn’t running the company when it was at the height of its mortgage fraud, he oversaw the $16B settlement with the DOJ that is quite possibly the largest kickback scheme to a political party to ever exist. At least until Zelensky came along with FTX.

        People wonder where the old mob went. It didn’t die, it just morphed into the Democrat Party.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        If you don’t defend her then you’re a rrrracist! (As Tucker Carlson would say. You wouldn’t want to be affiliated with TC!)

        🙄

        I wished them the best but OTOH, got the measure of her quite promptly.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        (As someone who still knows who most of these people are because Mum read Royalty Magazine lo these many years ago…)

  19. Gender Traitor

    Good morning, Stinky, Sean, (maybe still?) TO’G, and Lack!

    I…got nuthin’. It’s Wednesday. Make of that what you will.

    4(20), thanks for the glimpse into your life (with pictures!) I will take your heavy hint re: zucchini brownies for HH under advisement and see if I can make it happen.

    • Lackadaisical

      ‘Morning.

    • Fourscore

      Looking forward to some zuke brownies with my morning/afternoon coffee. Brownies aren’t just for breakfast, ya know.

      And Good Mornin’ , GT and all the other kids this mornin’.

      • Gender Traitor

        One big question is: If I make a batch of zucchini brownies to bring along, how many of them will actually survive the drive from OH to MN?

    • Sean

      🙂

  20. DEG

    Mornin’ all. Raining here in southern NH. Time to head to the gym.

    • Gender Traitor

      But does Taiwan give back the Big Guy Cut?

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Pelosi didn’t go to Taiwan for no reason.

  21. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Are we the baddies, Hans?

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/secret-plan-revealed-cia-told-to-destroy-those-supporting-communist-germ-warfare-myth-f466dfb071be

    This article presents a hitherto unanalyzed secret government plan adopted in October 1953 to neutralize U.S. critics who persisted in giving credence to the germ warfare charges made by North Korea, the People’s Republic of China, and the Soviet Union.

    The proposed program was titled “Basic Plan for U.S. Action to Destroy and Counter-Exploit the Soviet Bacteriological Warfare Myth.” The CIA was put in charge of the covert operations required “to destroy and counter-exploit” these critics, by “targeted seduction and coercion” if necessary.

    Only weeks after the October 1953 “basic plan” was operationalized, the U.S. introduced a major publicity campaign through the United Nations to discredit the Communist charges, shepherded through by OCB stalwart, Army counterintelligence officer, Col. Philip Corso. More ominously, one of the biological warfare program’s ostensible critics within Ft. Detrick itself, Frank Olson, was surreptitiously dosed with drugs and thrown out a window to his death in November 1953.

    The tensions around the top secret U.S. biological warfare program, and its operationalization during the Korean War, were high. Already, whether by suicide or murder, two other top U.S. biological warfare officials (besides Olson) were found shot to death in the previous few years.

    One of the dead was Colonel Arvo T. Thompson, shot to death in his hotel room in Tokyo, 18 May 1951. Thompson had been one of the Army Chemical Corps’ primary debriefers of Lt. General Shiro Ishii, head of Japan’s notorious biological warfare Unit 731. Thompson’s report was passed on to Frank Olson in Camp Detrick’s Special Operations Division. (Camp Detrick was renamed Fort Detrick in 1956.)