In a one on one with my supervisor a few months back, I asked him directly if I could get a couple hours to take care of a few errands.
”Oh yeah. HR put out a new guidance stating all PTO requests will be automatically approved. My only input is to rescind permission if needed.”
”What?”
”Yeah, just let me know when you’re going to be gone.”
This is my review of Komes Barleywine:
Microsoft this week released a statement to its employees that received a lot of attention from the media outlets that cater to both nerds, and geeks. They updated the company HR policy to allow for “discretionary PTO” for salaried employees, which is being interpreted as “unlimited PTO.”
“Not my idea, honestly.”
PTO of course meaning, Paid Time Off, or paid vacation time. Its “Leave” in military parlance. We can all see the Andrew Yang crowd rejoicing at this shift from a major US company, as we move closer and closer to a reality where everyone can earn a living by doing literally nothing. In some respects we’re already there, after all I am writing this at work from my home office in a lull between tasks and meetings—I am certainly getting paid to do little of value for my company.
Now the rationale for it is evident in a few studies that indicate the most productive workers actually do take more vacation time. Others note surveys suggesting workers would prefer time off rather than earn a higher salary. Ultimately though, the reason might be related to the bottom line.
Turns out in many states companies are required to repay unused vacation time—something I will take advantage of this spring. Given a large enough company, they would likely have to do that with employees even in states where that is not required by law. Which means companies with an unlimited PTO policy are actually saving money by using this loophole to “fleece” unwitting employees, which I am certain will give Microsoft shareholders a nice little chub.
See? Greed IS good.
What else is good? The Poles that made this beer. The interesting part is on the back they have the usual serving suggestions in terms of glassware but also indicate the overall character of the beer changes as it warms over time. I will probably try this again with my tulip glass in the future because they are correct in that regard. The best part is this only cost $6 so you can probably afford to pick up a bunch of these. Komes Barleywine: 4.6/5
The wine sounds good,
I shall quest for it
🍻
It’s patronizing paternalism, all the way down
For those who do use the term – or for those who object to its use – there’s no one-size-fits-all approach to the question that would warrant an oversimplified approach like Sanders’ order. What Sanders has characterized as “respect” is actually a patronizing attempt to shut down a debate among Latin American descended people in the US about how to name themselves.
I don’t care what you call yourself at home.
“LOL we have our own polls.” 🙄
It’s a word that like 1% of Hispanics use. It has no place in government documents. It’s Marxist. It’s political.
Well, which is it? Marxist and political, or unsuitable for government documents?
Fixed.
To leftist shits, a debate means you listen to them lecture, and then do what they tell you.
The other upside for the company is that there is an unspoken rule/fear that if you actually take advantage of it, you will be at best, looked down upon and at worst, have it held against you at review time. Employees actually take FEWER days under this policy than the normal PTO structure because they fear backlash.
Yep. Wife’s employer works the same way. Now everyone worries about using vacation. The paranoia is real.
Yikes. Pass!
As I note below, it depends on company culture.
That was certainly not the case when we switched.
Yes. And which employee is taking advantage of it.
I worked at a company where I had unlimited PTO. When the company had switched to unlimited PTO, I had been at the company for about six years and was well established. I was considering using the new policy to take a month off to go to Europe around Oktoberfest.
I was a little worried people would think I was taking advantage of the policy. I was talking with someone who was plugged into office scuttlebutt, and she said, “You are the last person anyone here would suspect of taking advantage of that policy. Take the month off and enjoy it.”
This right here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SNEdjftno
The CFO will love it. Accrued PTO is booked as a liability.
My CFO boss has me send him a spreadsheet listing every employee’s vacation* hours balance as of month end along with the associated cost based on their hourly pay rates. Happily, I’d be shocked if he converted to the “unlimited PTO” concept. He had a hard enough time convincing the CEO and other senior management to abandon “use it or lose it” calendar year-based models of time off.
*We differentiate between “vacation” and “PTO.” Only your vacation balance is paid to you if you leave.
Yes. When the wife worked for the University of California, you were expected to have at least one week of vaca “in reserve” at all times.
Yep. My work changed from accrued PTO hours to “unlimited” PTO (with a suggestion “guideline”) back in 2020. They allowed the roll over to go for another year due to the shitshow that 2020 was.
I don’t understand the people who have worked for the company for years, and were fucking loosing PTO hours because they were at the cap. That’s free money you’re giving away, which tells me you’re not analytical enough to be working in IT.
They have no life outside of work, maybe?
My old company went to the unlimited PTO last year. I think I took 4 days off total before they laid me off in July and didn’t have to pay my unused vacation.
We went “unlimited” PTO years ago – they were up front about the benefit to them not having to keep accrued time off on the books as a liability (it was millions of dollars). But they also were clear they expected people to take more time off, on average.
If you want to take more than 6 weeks off in total or more than 4 consecutive weeks, you need VP approval.
I wasn’t accruing any days off, so I wasn’t missing anything with the switch. Now, I think I used all but 3 days of that 6 weeks for each of the last couple of years. On top of the normal holidays. Plus the dozen “wellness days” they gave out during the pandemic. Mostly it means we pad normal trips, do like travel for Thanksgiving on Tuesday , etc. Those extra days add up and greatly reduce stress.
It depends on company culture, but it works for us. As long as your work is getting done we don’t sweat when you’re actually working.
If I had Firsted on this thread, it would have 100 comments already. But I fear that this was not in the cards. It would have been disastrous for the fate of the Firstiverse. The First must come at another place.
I’ve had unlimited PTO for several years. It’s made no difference in the amount of vacation people have taken, but we no longer have to worry about banking vacations to prepare for mandatory time off periods.
The companies used to force workers to take ~2 weeks in a particularly bad quarter to take the liabilities of the balance sheets.
It has made it easier to take 2 weeks off at a time. My manager has always encouraged it, but he takes a month off in a row each year. Dammed Germans.
My work had a rule (while they were doing accrual PTO) that certain employees were mandated to take off between Christmas and New Year’s. My position was exempt, but there are several reasons I’m looking for another company to work for.
The only mandated time off at my employer is the policy that every employee must take at least five work days in a row off at some point every year. This is primarily to guard against financial hanky-panky, as apparently one trick of embezzlers or others engaged in financial shenanigans is NOT to take much time off so that their theft is not discovered by whoever is covering for them while they’re gone.
That’s a common policy. Not sure how much good it does, but auditors routinely recommend it.
I think it makes sense. If someone else must look at those financial records there is a reasonable chance misconduct will be exposed.
12% ABV.
yikes.
/hides his 57.8% ABV beers he just received today
Those aren’t beer, that’s whiskey at that point.
Nope. Not distilled, just fermented.
I didn’t think you could ferment to that level, as the alcohol kills the yeast at some level well short of 120 proof.
Bad math. That’s more like 30 proof. Still beyond what I thought fermentation could deliver.
It’s an eisbock, so they did freeze concentrate it. It’s a collaboration between BrewDog and Schorschbräu (who had for years battled back and forth for the strongest beer record). BrewDog shipped some over here to Ohio, and they’re only shipping it to people in Ohio.
Sounds like it will be delicious.
That’s the hope. I picked up two bottles (they’re tiny, 40 ml – 1.35 oz) as a Christmas gift to myself. One I’ll probably try sometime over the next week, and hold on to the other one to share or gift.
For those of us who drink wine and spirits, that’s fairly low.
I’m one of you, still high for “beer”
I think that’s probably extremely high for wine.
Nah, not these days, sadly.
Wine club I’m in regularly delivers 14% and higher. I wish they’d throttle it back a bit.
https://www.d-cwines.com/Tech-Sheets
Not really, at least not these days. We’ve got two whites in the fridge, one at 12% and the other 13%. I’ve got a red (Montepulciano) in the fridge that’s 12.5%.
I think I’ve seen quite a few reds at the liquor store that run up to 14.5%.
Now in the pre-phylloxera days, I believe wine had on average a rather lower ABV.
Chile has pre-phylloxera European vine-stock, it never reached there.
Iwas referring to the 57.8% ABV, not the 12% ABV.
Ah, that makes more sense.
Well, I am 1/3rd of the way into my commitment. I just sent the Editors my review of Gotham Knights.
I’m not 2/3rds of the way into my commitment, I’ve sent the mystery article to the Editors.
Now to get on the short story.
Phew!! My colleague’s son is being discharged from the hospital after an eventful evening in which he ingested an almond infused Bon-bon that wanted to kill him. Poor kid has a nut allergy, and it nearly took him out.
Weird to think that many of us humans like precisely the items that nature has evolved to keep other animals away: peppers, onion, garlic. Those are meant to say “DO NOT EAT” but we do.
I can’t figure out any logic on the nut allergy. It’s a very serious on, and is it increasingly common, or do I need more tinfoil?
More common due to lack of early exposure is a current theory with some traction. Another “health authorities” whoopsie, if true.
Or what he said ^
Also maternal exposure in utero.
The working theory that I have heard is that parents fear an aniphilactic reaction so they don’t expose kids to tree nuts, shellfish, etc until they are out of the toddler years. At that point they body is much less able to adapt to new foodstuff, forms histamine’s and you get major allergies. The theory as I understand it is the toddler years are when you develop food tolerances, just like immune systems.
Not a doctor, but kids aren’t exposed to as much dirt and filth as they used to be when young.
I’m increasingly wondering if hammering kids with vaccines isn’t a factor. It’s an immune system overreaction, after all.
yeah, it certainly correlates with the massive increase in childhood vaxes, esp versus when I was a kid. Causation? Idk but as you say, the immune system is a common factor, and some babies/toddlers are getting the MMR/Dtap/+5 more in one DAY. I can’t believe that has no ill effects, tbh, even if peanut allergies aren’t one of them.
Yes
Not to mention certain plant alkaloids, which often have uh…medicinal value
It’s good your colleague’s son made it through.
Someone mentioned the movie Melancholia the other day. So Mrs. A and I watched it on our date night last night.
What a turd. It was depressing, tedious, had terrible pacing issues, and the fairly impressive cast (Kirsten Dunst, John Hurt, Keifer Sutherland, Charlotte Rampling, Stellan and Alexander Skarsgård) seemed just badly used. Not even Kirsten Dunst’s naked bewbs could save this grenade. I award it no stars. Don’t bother with this one. We were actually relieved when the killer planet smacked into Earth and ended the cast’s endless whining.
It’s a movie for those with acquired taste. I didn’t watch it because I could tell what sort of movie it would be. The title kind of gives it away.
The director gives it all away. Don’t watch unless Lars von Trier is your cup of tea.
I sort of like The House That Jack Built.
I watched Breaking the Waves with no foreknowledge.
Military leave is 30 days per year. It’s hugely generous by any estimation, even if you are expected to use it over weekends/holidays when not able to report for duty should there be a unit recall. That being said, there is a sick culture of pride in not using the benefit. I’ve listened to lots of people brag about having to sell leave or eat it at the end of the year like never taking time off is some kind of Badge of honor. Of course, most of these people make free with skipping work to run errands or simply staying home with a wink and nod from their supervisor and not charging against their leave. I shudder to think what an unlimited PTO military would look like.
PTO in the military rolls over to some extent. Some guys save it for particular reasons.
Also, one of the tricks – if everyone else is on leave, like during the holidays, you basically aren’t working, anyway. At least not in my unit you weren’t. You show up for a bullshit formation to start the day and you are basically sent on your way. Maybe they have a task here or there that’s light, and then you sham the rest of the day. So, if you aren’t really desperate to go back and see family, why use the PTO when you are basically on vacation, anyway?
That was my experience.
Yeah the incentives are all messed up. The problem I have is the hypocrisy of the guys who do exactly what you are describing but then turn around and act morally superior when I take a couple weeks off for vacation.
“Oh you’re not going to be around for ops next week? Seems like you’ve been taking a lot of time off lately dude.”
/Says the guy who just took off the last 10 days without submitting leave because ‘the kids were sick‘.
In my nearly six years in S1 shorted me a total of 25 days leave. My unit charged me 15 days regular leave for a surgery I had and tried to charge me another 30 after I got run over.
We had use or loose it days and times of the year when you could take leave. Otherwise you had to know or blow.
OT tangent, again on football.
I was always annoyed at how Peyton Manning took no criticism for lost year with the Colts. He had off-season surgery, a significant one, that he didn’t tell the team about (yes, there was a lockdown). He signed a massive contract extension without letting them know. It is almost certain that he knew he had a serious issue that could cost him significant time. He fucked his team over and looked to get paid (which Peyton always did – Peyton was all about the money and constantly demanded every last dollar he could in contract negotiations). But because he was Peyton Manning, the media darling and Colts legend, he had no repercussions for acting like a slimeball. Almost no one in the media dared question the narrative and if anything his champions used it as proof positive that he was the greatest of all time because a Colts team built completely around him and his particular way of running an offense obviously fell apart without him and their back-up QB situation was a mess.
Then there were people who tried to paint him as a victim when the Colts cut him.
It did hurt his legacy. Brady didn’t take everything he could have but made sure the money he left on the table was used to add a good team around him.
That is definitely an overlooked part of Brady’s legacy.
It was said that Giselle was a big advantage for Brady – when your wife is good for 40 million a year you don’t need to push for a max contract for yourself.
I’m using Max Contract as my porn name.
I’ve been entertained watching the Clowney clown show go on since he spoke to the press last Friday and got benched by the team.
I remember when JJ Watt was hurt years back and guys on the Texans were actually talking about how Clowney had become a better player than him (think it came from Vince Wilfork specifically). The guy has always been an overrated entitled douche.
He may still be right about the Browns and Garrett. He’s the face of the organization, one of their few slam dunk draft picks over the years. It was funny how protective the Browns were when he weaponized his helmet against Mason Rudolph, and probably signed off on him going with his bullshit story about Rudolph using that racial slur against him.
Considering the Stillers kicked him in the fork when he was already down. There were no good guys in that fight.
But Clowney was truly biting the hand that fed him. The Browns had been trying to land him for years, and even this year he didn’t sign on until training camp was already underway. It’s entirely possible that the Browns were moving Garrett around to give him better match ups… because Garrett is the better player.
Hardcore Yinzer Steeler fan here.
The helmet beating was the best thing that I ever seen on a football field and I wish we had more of it.
Mason started it.
😊
/eom
Pie? 🥧
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YKsT7msbuBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RlTZdYXcKg
😋 and I love Home Free as well.
#MeToo (especially the bass/baritone guy)
Apparently pie was consumed and caulk was hardened. Nice job, KK.
But…it’s not even the MIDDLE of the month! 😕
Alright alright alright!
There was a hug
A slow burn build-up.
An itch got scratched!
Our congratulations KK.
Not even Kirsten Dunst’s naked bewbs could save this grenade.
Ouch.
But they are real, and they are spectacular.
You could watch Prime Video’s The Voyeurs just to see Sydney Sweeney’s very lovely set (or I’m sure there’s some reddit for just her nudes)
Before it became PTO, there used to be separate vacation and sick time balances. And before that, companies would award allowances on an annual basis, not an accrual basis.
We only went to combined PTO a few years ago. I’m OK with it except there isn’t enough of it*, nor enough time to take what I have.
*Because I’m at the bottom of the totem pole (again)**
**Because I was dumped but rehired a couple years later
Sorry staying on topic but what is barley wine? I’m guessing it is more of a beer or ale made with barley but I’m out my depth here.
Beer with wine levels of alcohol, like 12-15% or so.
Also “not stout”, since a 12-15% stout would be an imperial stout.
Thanks
Barley wine (technically Barley wine style ale in most states in the US) is just a high ABV beer. Malted barley is the main ingredient in most beers. You can also find wheat wines, which are a high ABV beer made with malted wheat.
Got it. Thanks. Is there a significant difference between hefeweisen and wheat wine other than the higher ABV?
Different yeast strain, and different flavor profiles. A wheat wine will generally not have the banana or clove notes that a hefeweisen will have. There’s also variation in barleywines, with at least two classifications at the homebrew level (American – highly hopped; European – malt forward).
Thanks Neph.
Given a large enough company, they would likely have to do that with employees even in states where that is not required by law.
I am now working for a very large company. This company only pays out unused PTO if the state you work in requires it, which NH does not.
This is the first company I’ve worked at that does not pay out unused PTO for NH employees when they leave the company.
What else is good? The Poles that made this beer. The interesting part is on the back they have the usual serving suggestions in terms of glassware but also indicate the overall character of the beer changes as it warms over time. I will probably try this again with my tulip glass in the future because they are correct in that regard. The best part is this only cost $6 so you can probably afford to pick up a bunch of these. Komes Barleywine: 4.6/5
This sounds wonderful.
It is.
Netflix removed the Community episode on D&D where Chevy Chase wore blackface.
Chevy Chase didn’t, it was Ken Jeong. It was removed several years ago, and pulled from Hulu as well. For a while Amazon still had it available for streaming, but Community is no longer streaming free for Prime customers.
Almost as bad as It’s Always Sunny pulling their “blackface” episodes as well, or the five pulled South Park episodes.
/has all of them downloaded.
I keep wondering when woke Sauron will set xer gaze on Tropic Thunder.
That’s another one I should get a physical copy of. Already got Blazing Saddles, just in case.
Smart moves
😊
/eom
Traps were sprung.
Almost like closing an html tag.
Needing to close an html tag is racist.
Speaking of black faces…
I watched a movie on Prime the other night; I think it was called “Lucky Ghost”. Made in the ’30s (?) with an all black cast featuring Mantan Moreland. I recognized a few of the other actors. I’m pretty sure the musicians in the movie would have been well known to the audiences. It was funny. It’s impossible not to view it as an historical artifact, but in context, I doubt many people were offended, especially the people who got paid to make it. Were there caricatures galore? of course there were. Somebody mentioned “Bringing Up Baby” recently; Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn were no less ridiculous caricatures than Mantan Moreland with his preternatural dice-rolling skills.
OMG! Wagons Circling!
Why the fuck does this matter? It doesn’t. I mean c’mon man! They could find a barrel full of murdered babies beside of Biden’s garage. There could be a camera near his garage that filmed him murdering the barrel full of babies and drinking their blood. AND.NOHTHING.ELSE.HAPPENED. And every one knows it. For all this talk about the MSM losing power, it’s a joke, they have complete power, they just bury what they want and that is that. For gawd sake they covered up intentionally creating a deadly virus and then intentionally releasing it on the public. Then locking people in their homes and destroying the world’s economies. They stole national elections and nothing happened. All of this and nothing happened because the media buried it. They are right now burying the Twitter Files and nothing will happen. And for sure Biden is untouchable. Instead they will go after Trump again, forever.
And so much for the magic shield of a special prosecutor.
Bwahahahahahaha
The job of this special prosecutor it to prove Biden is pure as the driven snow and find more evidence against Trump. The theatre only makes it worse.
As mentioned yesterday, the Bee has it figured out.
lol
Perfect!
I think this is a take-down operation. There is a reason the MSM are reporting on it.
I think it is to be used to turn the tables back on to Trump.
Both. Take out Biden and Trump on classified documents. Then claim they’re calling it down the middle and the peasants can trust the deep state.
Brilliant plan, but they will never pull it off, it’s too good. You thought of it, they will not.
Yup. We’re witnessing the DNC getting rid of a political liability.
This. They are going to downplay things to differentiate their guy from Trump because they have to, but they would have completely buried the story if they wanted to. They do it all the time with legitimate news. They are treating it like a real story, and that is calculated.
Biden won’t be prosecuted. They may still try to prosecute Trump. Even if they don’t, they need to downplay the severity of Biden’s actions after their hyperbole about Trump’s. They want those classified documents to be a cudgel against Trump in the 2024 election no matter what happens.
Christ – if they didn’t want people to report on it, it wouldn’t have been leaked in the first place. They’ve been “investigating” for two months now since the first batch was found.
Also, hasn’t been asked what documents Biden happens to have. One thing that is possible, especially given their bullshit cover story that the situation in 2016 was so frantic as he left office that mistakes were made – did he take shit he didn’t want the Trump team to know about?
If they are going to try and lay the blame for this on a last second rush job to leave office, than it raises the question of what exactly Biden and his team were rushing to do.
CNN admitted that some of the documents found, for instance, pertained to Ukraine. Others detailed talks between him and Obama. Phone calls with the president of Poland.
The CNN story also sets up another potential scenario, if they want to get someone for criminal liability to further justify going after Trump – Biden didn’t pack the shit or, supposedly, know the documents were in his possession.
Let’s also not forget – Obama himself had a real cozy deal worked out with the National Archives. One you could call unprecedented where his papers all went to a warehouse that pretty much only he has access to.
And people (on both sides) are happy to be led down the team pathway. I’ll repeat what I overheard at the gym a few months back. One woman talking to her friend, quoting an article she read somewhere: “Joe Biden is a decent man, who’s spent his whole career trying to craft legislation to help the average person.” I’d bet no one believed that 20 years ago, but now they’re quite happy to accept that as truth (parallel to Trumpers who believed that Trump was suddenly overcome by a selfless desire to help the working-class who got screwed by globalism).
^^^ THIS
It’s freaking bizarre the cult of personality around the presidency, pretty much with only respect to TEAM. Whereas to the south of these United States, there is no team, only Maximum Leader in country after country. That much is common to the Latin experience in America.
Why do you hate LatinX people?
OT – At the halfway point of the Premier League season, the bottom seven teams are separated by 2 points and goal difference. I can’t recall another year when the relegation battle was this wide open. It’s going to be wild from here to May.
Mostly skipping this season but took a look at the ladder earlier, out of curiosity. Biggest surprise is Notts not at the bottom anymore. Newcastle not sucking also pleases me.
I don’t think even the Craven Cottage die-hards can believe Fulham sitting above Chelsea, though I’m sure they’re loving it.
Number of managers fired by Monday? I’m guessing two.
Everton’s got the sack, right? 19th place lol
/wonders how Klopp is still holding on…
I would say Lampard is done without a win against West Ham (next match). But did you catch the bit about the Everton board being advised to not attend the game by their security specialists? That is a fanbase they may give Millwall a run for their money.
Hmm, didn’t realize Everton played West Ham next. Those were the two I figured would be gone by tomorrow. But now, I’m thinking maybe the two boards wait until after that match.
Grahame Potter at Chelski is in a bit of hot water. ONE win in last 11? Yikes!
I hope my team gets dumped to League One to perhaps open up ownership’s eyes.
Wouldn’t that be The Championship?
Or are they already there?
Cops in Georgia from different departments get into pissing match, threaten to arrest one another.
One thing I notice while watching cop videos…these “professionals” love to swear at a very high rate.
Same behavior.
I’d like to drink about a barrel of this Barley Wine right now. I mean just open the tap on the barrel and lie under it, gulp gulp gulp until the entire barrel is empty, or until I cannot drink more. But I don’t drink, this fucking sucks ballz.
It would take a miracle to get us out of this!
That may even top the casting of half of Hollywood in it’s A Mad, Mad World.
What was the last comedy Hollywood made that was even remotely funny?
That thing with MS giving their employees unlimited time off. I believe it will be used to make all the employees contract workers and get rid of full time benefits, forever. Unlimited vacation, but you don’t get paid for it and we can cut you anytime we want. Utopian dream say the hipsters are they head for the chopping block. I remember when my grandfather worked for a company and retired, he got a pension, I mean his full salary forever. It’s unheard of today if you are not a government employee, probably a higher level one.
Pensions for Fedgov are a thing of the past as well. They have something called a TSP, which works exactly like a 401k. The military is the only agency that still does it.
I should caveat that, for new employees. If you joined the federal retirement system before a certain date (in the 90’s I think) you will get a full pension. For everyone else its a small fraction of salary, padded with TSP, and SS.
The military has gone that route as well. The split happened about five years ago. You could choose what path you wanted if you were already in at the change over.
OT: Gov. Pie ends Arkansas’ Covid orders
Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders ended the boards and committees overseeing the Arkansas COVID-19 response with actions taken Friday.
With her ninth executive order since taking office on Jan. 10, Sanders ended five previous orders that had been signed by then-Gov. Asa Hutchinson in 2020. Those orders formed advisory and steering committees, boards and a task force responding to the coronavirus pandemic.
Good. Pie should rain hell on the boards and committees.
Hahaha, I forgot about her and that she got called Pie in the Hat and Hair, lol.
To highlight what I’m babbling about above:
From the hacks at CNN.
“From the hacks at CNN.”
Hey, them is respected journalists!
Megacorp still gives us separate vacation, sick time, and family leave. It can stay that way until I retire.
Family leave is still separate for us, on top of the “unlimited” PTO.
I get all of that and I never get refused vacation when I request it. As long as I have it accrued. You can accrue up until I think it is 45 days, then you have to take it or lose it. But I mean at that point, you could take 2 months off straight paid. I’ve never accrued that much, but some people I work with have.
I can’t believe this thread is still alive. I went to two stores, managed to drop $300 on groceries and bought some Heineken Zero. It’s freezing out there.
Jeezus. If you’re gonna get NA beer, at least get one that doesn’t taste like piss.
That’s the best one. I got some of the Bitburger one, that one’s OK too. But I’d rate Heineken Zero as the best NA beer, nothing else is even close.
Hey everyone, it’s the middle of the night, I got some rum infused hot chocolate and a big fat bowl, let’s party!