Escape the City – 1

by | Jun 11, 2024 | Books, Liberty, Outdoors, Prepper | 100 comments

The following article is one of – what I hope may become a longer running series – schedule permitting.
All content – except where noted is made up of excerpts from “Escape the City: A How-To Homesteading Guide” by Travis “@MorlockP” Corcoran (NH House of Reps district 44).  Permission has been granted in writing for publishing these small sections of a much larger work.
“Planning Your Move” (pg 53-54)
“Planning your move” can encompass anything from “the final 90 days of arranging a moving truck, utilities, and forwarding of snail mail” to “how should a twenty-year-old in college work towards a life on a farm 15 years in the future””
Figuring Out What You Want
I’ve been asking questions like “how many acres do I need?”, “Do I need a homestead that already has a barn?”, and “Should I buy an existing homestead or build my own?”  There’s no one-size-fits-all answer to these questions, and, besides, talking about what sort of features you want is putting the cart before the horse.  Back up a step.  What do you want to do on your place in the country?
Two Examples
If all you want is a small house with a 10’x10′ garden and a few chickens running around, a quarter-acre might be more than enough.  If you want to raise cattle, sheep, pigs, raise the hay and grains you feed them, harvest firewood at a sustainable rate from your own forest, and so forth, you might need forty or more acres.
My advice is read the book, make notes on your interests and the land use associated with each, and add them up (making sure to adjust for local climate conditions, of course – it takes more acreage to graze a cow in the dry west than in the wet east).  For example, if you want chickens, pigs, and a small orchard, you might add:
     – chickens: 0 acre
     – pigs: 0.1 acre
     – orchard: 1 acre
and decide that one or two acres total is good for you.
On the other hand, if you want a medium sized house (which might burn ten cords of firewood per year), want to harvest your own firewood, want to have ten sheep, a large garden, an orchard and a vineyard, you might add up:
     – sheep pastures: 2.5 acres
     – garden: 0.5 acres
     – vineyard: 0.5 acres
     – woodlot: 10 acres
and decide that fifteen acres is a minimum.
Figuring Out What You Want: ‘A 1-Acre, Self-Sufficient Homestead’ Considered Harmful
There is an article that is printed, re-printed, and collected in anthologies: “Start a 1-Acre, Self-Sufficient Homestead” by John Seymour, first published, I think, in Mother Earth News, in 2011.  This article is recirculated not because it is correct or useful, but because it’s the kind of article that people want to read.  Everyone wants to lose twenty pounds while eating ice cream.  Everyone wants to get ripped despite not lifting heavy-ass weights.  Everyone wants to be irresistible to the opposite sex while not engaging in any self-improvement…And everyone wants to be self-sufficient without having to buy a lot of land.
Yet it forgets about or elides necessary parts of the homestead, suggests compromises that are antithetical to what most homesteaders want to achieve and is filled with misinformation.
Alternate Reality
To make the very, very, very, very tight land budget work, the article assumes no car or truck, a no place to park it.  The illustration that often accompanies the article shows a cute farmhouse in the middle of a one-acre plot, with no way to get to it.  There is no yard for children to play in.  There is no space set aside for a septic tank and leach field, and no indication of a well.
There are compromises that are opposed to the lifestyle that most homesteaders are interested in, for example, suggesting that the family pigs should be kept locked in a barn stall 24×7 because there’s not enough land for them.  There is the inaccurate suggestions that the pigs can be let out of the barn, on rare occasions, so that they can be used to “plow up your grassland.”  Using pigs to plow your land is a myth that recirculates endlessly in aspirational homesteading / permaculture communities.  It sounds great – so natural, so wholesome, and economical too – it kills two birds with one stone in that the pigs want to root about, and pastures need to get plowed, so two problems merge and become one combined solution.  The problem with this theory is that that’s not how pigs work.  Pigs will escape if not kept very well fenced, so they can’t be turned onto pasture without erecting a semi-permanent fence around them.  Also, pigs do not “plow” land.  Plowing is a neat orderly process where the surface is turned under, and the lower dirt is brought up.  Pigs root erratically.  They dig holes, they roll in the mud, they make wallows that look like large craters.  The land, after pigs have been on it, is not plowed, it is a mess…and a fair bit of tractor work is required to get it back into shape again.
Mr Seymour’s article suggests that a cow can be raised on just half an acre of pasture, which isn’t realistic.  Even with very tightly controlled strip grazing / rotational grazing (pg 504), and assuming well fertilized soil in a great climate, a cow is going to need a bare minimum of an acre of pasture.
The errors, omissions, misstatements, and overly generous assumptions go on and on.
The correct approach, I suggest, is not to start with this idealistic (fantastic?) idea of one acre, and correct it just a bit here and there to get up to the absolute minimum viable size, but instead to throw that unrealistic idea out entirely and start to add together different requirements, with generous margins.  The soil won’t be perfect, there will be boulders in the fields which will reduce usable land, steep slopes will limit logging in places, and so forth.  Build in margins so that you don’t buy too little land.  You can fix almost everything about a property later – fencing, lack of orchards, irrigation, drainage – but the one thing you can’t fix is total size.
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Feedback appreciated on whether there is any interest in more of these.  Mr Corcoran is a very thorough writer and I can pull from a vast array of topics – if the interest is there.  I am still hoping he will grace us with some newer, unique pieces too, but I understand he is fairly busy at the moment.

About The Author

LCDR_Fish

LCDR_Fish

LCDR Fish is a service-queer veteran. Some days they identify as a grunt and some days they identify as a squid. Just don't call them a jarhead - that's triggering! Currently on reserve status as a filthy contractor.

100 Comments

  1. LCDR_Fish

    Guess I gotta check the formatting again to ensure spacing. I think I may have submitted this before the upgrade…don’t recall now.

  2. kinnath

    We have 1.18 acres. I don’t expect to be self-sufficient.

    • Fourscore

      …but you have great trading material, between the apples and consumables you are specialized with things folks want and like.

    • Gustave Lytton

      We have a couple acres. It’s good for walking and growing trees. Even the poison oak doesn’t flourish too much (thankfully).

  3. Aloysious

    I like learning, and this is something I don’t know much about.

    I vote for more. Especially gardening tips. I do not have a green thumb.

    • R.J.

      I know all the Glibs love gardening!

      • juris imprudent

        Well, at least some of us do.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I do it on my balcony, you can grow veggies anywhere

      • Not Adahn

        Do they? I thought libertarians were more into weeds.

  4. KK, Plump & Unfiltered

    This is cool! Thanks for bringing it to us, Fish!

    • LCDR_Fish

      Thanks. I’ll start working on another one while it’s slow at work. Gotta crash early tonight for an early appt tomorrow morning (more for the drive).

  5. Stinky Wizzleteats

    I’ve always prepped for a two week weather or civil unrest type scenario but if it ever comes to longer than that I’m screwed. If you have to be long term completely self-sufficient things have really gone to hell.

    • LCDR_Fish

      Well, the book lays out a lot of different steps, but going back to “I, Pencil”, it’s virtually impossible to be completely self-sufficient these days (unless you’re talking about strictly food issues).

      But there is always common sense in being prepared for disasters – and as we’ve discussed here before, being part of a small community that does have options for working together.

      • trshmnstr

        it’s virtually impossible to be completely self-sufficient these days

        Self-sufficiency has always been a trash goal, IMO. Through history, the most self-sufficient people were the ones forced to be self-sufficient due to not having enough money to pay for somebody else to do it.

        The problem is that there’s not a single term for simplifying your life, trying to do as much as you can yourself, building a community around you to provide most of the rest, and relying on the store to fill in the gaps.

      • The Hyperbole

        Yep, even in a post apocalyptic society Economy of Scales, Division of Labor, and Economy of Scale, will still exist.

      • The Hyperbole

        That second economy of scale should have been comparative advantage, which proves my point, even carpenters will need editors in the wasteland.

      • Fourscore

        That’s where the trading of skills and materials come in. Suthen did some great articles on reloading ammo, I did an article on the economics of reloading. Trade skills that aren’t economical for a lot of occasional hunters.

      • The Hyperbole

        The problem is that there’s not a single term for simplifying your life, trying to do as much as you can yourself,

        Frugalism?

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      It’ll pass the Senate at which time they’ll celebrate by doing a little insider trading but not the House. Besides, while not the brightest move maybe, I thought it was Alito’s wife who flew those flags and she’s not bound by any SC ethics code.

      • rhywun

        I thought it was Alito’s wife who flew those flags

        It was.

        The Dems are just using it as an excuse to accumulate more power for themselves.

      • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

        Dem’s are doing everything they can to shore up this election. And keeping a few on tap via bitching about SCOTUS is free.

        Even Roberts isn’t so stupid as to fall for this shit, and the rest? Forgetaboutit.

  6. trshmnstr

    Mr Seymour’s article suggests that a cow can be raised on just half an acre of pasture, which isn’t realistic.

    The amount of BS out there in the homesteading community is disheartening at times. Even the stuff coming from the guys who mostly get it right.

    One that sticks in my mind is “you have to keep mowed around the coop because chickens don’t like tall grass”. I’ve heard that many times.

    Yeah, my chickens are just now starting to work out from the waist high grass to see if there’s anything yummy on the back porch. They spend all day in the tall grass.

    • robodruid

      They do well in the weeds in the chicken run.

  7. robodruid

    10 Acres
    to many sheep
    2 mini cows
    many chickens
    3 dogs +2 fosters
    1 garage cat

    1 orchid (planted twice)
    millet/sunflower/clover planted, rest grass.
    one sort of garden

    Its exhausting. Fencing, fencing, fencing…. Not having good water is what will kill you.

    • trshmnstr

      I’m interested in hearing about your experience with sheep. They’re on my list for the next year or two.

      • robodruid

        There are breeds that are known for being “Hardy” we have three pure bread of these:
        https://breeds.okstate.edu/sheep/scottish-blackface-sheep.html

        They are stubborn, break my fencing and love to escape.

        the rest are muts of this variety
        https://breeds.okstate.edu/sheep/friesian-milk-sheep.html

        They are much easier to deal with. Miking is better with them.

        Given you will never get a return of investement, you have to decide what your goal, and you have to be relentless in culling your herd.

        AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT DO THIS WITHOUT A TRUCK. (like me)

    • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

      FENCING is my next project.

      I need a 3 point post hole digger (always looking on Facederp Marketplace or Craigslist) My shoulders ain’t what they used to be.

    • Homple

      A dependable well with good water is probably the most important requirement for a farm with livestock.

  8. Evan from Evansville

    *Slowly backs away; awe and difference in lifestyle overwhelms*

    I’ve never owned property. I have co-signed a two-year lease to completion and another I bowed out of after ~2 months. Hilariously, I get messaged for people interested in purchasing properties I’ve never even heard of.

    I rather enjoy my nomadic lifestyle. This would dramatically alter were I a different person. I’m (mostly) happily single with no kids. I plan on finding someone again, but kids are not gonna/shouldn’t happen. I doubt I’ll want to leave city-life and flock to the wilderness, but ya never know.

    • ZWAK came for the two-fisted tentacle-fighting, stayed for the crushing existential nihilism.

      We have all seen movies with a drifter coming into town, sleeping with the wimon folx, shooting a bad guy or two, moving on.

      You are good.

      • Evan from Evansville

        This is a fairly accurate description of my existence. *Cracks knuckles*

        My bro and I age well. I’m 37 and it’s slowly creeping its toe in the door: Ev the Silver Fox will be fabulous. Hilarious reality I haven’t begun to (really) think about: Once I get my own place? I’m the perfect dude to have an affair with. I’m not sure how I feel about this. Realistically, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell? Conscience clean.) I’ve never cheated on my partners before. Post-conquest, I *have* discovered others were on theirs. I’m anticipating a strong, consensual plunge into it all.

      • trshmnstr

        I’m the perfect dude to have an affair with. I’m not sure how I feel about this. Realistically, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell? Conscience clean.

        That’s quite the direction to take the thought experiment. I’ll be honest and say that I’ve never really chosen my living arrangements with an eye toward destroying families.

      • Evan from Evansville

        @trash: That was entirely in jest. I don’t lean that way due to massive moral, legal and financial qualms I hold. My mind got there cuz I know that I have never cheated on any of my partners, nor have I ever wanted to, but I did find out after-the-fact that I have been on plural one-night stands where *she* was cheating on her dude. I am aware of it happening twice. Had I known I wouldn’t have.

        I’ll add some vulnerability on my end: I mostly wouldn’t have gone through w it because of the social troubles it would cause or be on my mind. To be slightly fair, this was in ‘small’ ex-pat communities where int’l relationships are always fickle. Oddly, still kinda small-towny and folk always knew folk.

        The brief or weekend pleasure in Vending Machine Sex is far outweighed by the social and financial negatives therein.

      • trshmnstr

        That was entirely in jest. I don’t lean that way due to massive moral, legal and financial qualms I hold.

        My humor is a bit dry at times. I was just yanking your chain.

    • rhywun

      Yeah, I’m a city boy for life.

      That won’t change for anything other than extreme need, at which point I have to wonder how far my computer programming or linguistics skills will get me.

  9. pistoffnick (370HSSV)

    I recently learnt of this little tyranny:

    Animal Units Per Acreage for St. Louis County, Minnesota

    https://www.stlouiscountymn.gov/Portals/0/Library/Dept/Auditor/County-Board/Ordinance-62-Zoning%20Updated%202020.pdf?ver=c2LK-uo9xyvDMo6QPYdJcQ%3D%3D

    Page 68

    According to my masters, my little 6.7 acre slice of land can only have 5 animal units.

    My plan is:
    27 chickens (.01 animal units x 27 = 0.27 animal units),
    2 cats (ain’t much meat on ’em, but they make me happy) (.02 animal units x 2 = .04 animal units)
    10-15 rabbits, which don’t show up under the chart (rabbits are second to chickens in turning vegetables into meat) (0 animal units) I hope to get this started yet this summer.
    4 goats (0.2 animal units x 4 = 0.8 animal units) next summer
    3 pigs (0.4 animal units x 3 = 1.2 animal units) next summer
    2 cows (1.0 animal units x 2 = 2 animal units) the summer after the next

    for a grand total of 4.31 animal units. Unfortunately, at least a 3rd of my land is swamp.

    Then again, I don’t much care to listen to what some pasty, cubicle dwelling bureaucrat says I can or can’t do with my land.

    Dolly Freed is my hero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvn79E40VSc&ab_channel=TinHouseBooks

    • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

      Seriously, I you can find a copy of Dolly Free’s Possum Living you need to read it.

    • juris imprudent

      cubicle dwelling bureaucrat

      Got my permit recently to drill a well on our Virginia property (which is slated to happen next week). I met with the “bureaucrat” in the county office, we went over the plat and I explained where I was inclined to put the well (which I had already discussed with the driller). I gave a check to the clerk. He came out to the property to inspect it and called me to tell me it was approved exactly where I wanted, and to look for the permit in my e-mail the next day. Said permit was in my e-mail the next day.

      I also recall when I lived in VA, I was amazed at the efficiency of the DMV there, as growing up in CA that was one of the most notorious dens of lazy and surly bureaucrats in the whole state. I would’ve said the worst I’ve ever seen – but having acquainted myself with Pennsylvania’s – it is a close contest.

      • trshmnstr

        I also recall when I lived in VA, I was amazed at the efficiency of the DMV there

        I…uh… I had the exact opposite experience. Indiana was top notch. Small town missouri isn’t too bad. Texas was annoying. Virginia was a nightmare.

      • juris imprudent

        Hmm, I lived in NoVA – maybe it was just a fluke for there?

      • trshmnstr

        Same, and I remember having to get to the office 45 min before they opened to get in line because you weren’t guaranteed to get same day service otherwise. They also suspended my license without sending me a single notice because I didn’t have insurance. Of course, I had moved away, so the insurance was in a different state and wasn’t reported to them.

  10. The Other Kevin

    We live in a subdivision on the edge of civilization, on 1.3 acres. Decent sized garden (downsized since our three kids have flown the coop). We have a well and septic. Mr. TOK is trying to talk me into us having chickens. Due to Bidenomics (and because of our startup business), money is tight but I’d love to get a solar system so we could live off the grid if things get really bad.

    So while I’m not exactly a homesteader, there’s plenty I could learn that would apply. Yes, please write more.

    • The Other Kevin

      *Mrs. TOK*

      • rhywun

        heh

    • R C Dean

      The two things at the tippy top of my list for self-sufficiency are my own water and electricity. I’d love to have both. Which of course require significant capital up front, with a questionable payoff just looking at the numbers, but I would get real peace of mind from it.

  11. Mojeaux

    I really admire Travis and what’s he’s accomplished and his drive/determination, but I couldn’t live that way. I watch too much Gold Shaw Farm to make that even remotely sound attractive.

    As it is, I’m just going to start building up our food and water stores again, cash reserves, get back in with my community (church), and lose some weight. I always keep coming back to Katrina, when I thought, “The ultimate survival test is if you could’ve walked out of New Orleans if you had to leave your car behind.”

  12. Fourscore

    I didn’t see anything about bees/bee hives. Honey bees take very little space, will work for free in your garden and your neighbors and produce some tradable product. Lots of videos on Youtube and probably your state has some extension service advice. There are a lot of urban bee keepers, I saw one in Austin, TX that had his in the back yard, a couple of short bushes to sort of screen the hives from the neighbors.

    • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

      ^
      |
      |
      Bee slaver!

  13. Fourscore

    I know a lot about wood heat, tree harvesting, etc. My house is 2600 sq ft, 2 levels. I burn somewhere about 5-6 cords of wood a year, house is heavy insulated and duct work to every room. Upstairs tends to get a little warm, even in winter, if the sun is shining. I had to add a small wood stove in the downstairs living room and a couple years ago went to a small propane stove. We never kept a fire at night, fear of fire, so mornings would be in the 60s and it would take 2-3 hours to get back to the 70s.

    I figured 25 trees (white birch) would provide enough wood with any additional summer blow downs added on. I needed a tractor and trailer, then a wood splitter, to make my life easier.

    • Fourscore

      Oh yeah, if you have to buy wood you may as well burn gas. The BTUs tend to track each other.

  14. R C Dean

    Absolutely, more of this!

    One thought: “ On the other hand, if you want a medium sized house (which might burn ten cords of firewood per year)”

    I heated 1,000 square feet in Madison WI (which gets, and stays, pretty cold) with a wood stove, and went through maybe two cords (real cords, not face cords) a year. I would think you could keep 1500 or so reasonably well insulated square feet heated in the upper Midwest on 4 cords a year, no problem. 10 cords sounds excessive unless you have crap insulation, a big house, and/or live near the Arctic. But I’m sure there are real-life data points on this.

    • Fourscore

      My Madison experience was renting an apartment and someone else made it warm, as long as I paid my bill. Circa ’83-’85.

      • Evan from Evansville

        In my first building in Korea, heating costs were split between all on the floor, around 25 units. My one-bedroom/studio flat was ~400 sq ft. One Jan my bill tripled to over $300. “Officetels” they’re called. I have deep suspicions that all that heat came from apartments, rather than the small offices being the main culprits. *Ev squints sumtin’ fierce*

        I dearly loved that apartment. Fun, semi-universal truth: Korean showers are fucking magical. Just, the dopest dope you’ve ever smoked showered in. Just set the knob on the display to your liking and enjoy the controlled H20 eruption … all over … Fuck. I didn’t start trying to write some sexy Sugar free, but damn. They vigorously attend to their indoor plumbing. It’s glorious. (Ha. I *could* see a Sexy Bar and a karaoke place from that window. So it goes.)

    • R C Dean

      A standard cord is 4 x 4 x 8, or 128 cubic feet. It’s a lot of wood. 10 cords would be 4 feet high, 12 feet wide, and roughly 25 feet long.

  15. Derpetologist

    There’s a lot of good survival advice in Maus by Art Spiegelman. It’s a graphic novel which tells the story of how his father survived the Holocaust, including a multiyear stretch in Auschwitz. Basically, the elder Spiegelman was always alert for ways to trade favors and thus better his situation. Knowing how to mend shoes kept him alive on one occasion and on another, it was his knowledge of English.

    The most important survival tool is between your ears. Consider the most likely scenarios. For most Americans, the main threats are natural disasters, inflation, and job loss.

    • Fourscore

      In days gone by family units were often a big help, now with smaller families and more urbanization things get more iffy.

    • juris imprudent

      The nub of the issue is, we are a social species – we will live in communities. Even reading Coming into the Country (John McPhee) about Alaskan bush life – no one really lives 100% isolated and self-sufficient. So the idea of the most-rugged individualists, carving life out with nothing but their own labor, is a lot more exaggeration than it is reality. Derpy’s reference here is that a working community can exist even under the most brutal oppression, and that is how they survived.

      I long romanticized the mountain man era, but the reality of it is, it was not a lifestyle for longevity. It was a great adventure – for those who lived through it, but they mostly returned to one degree of civilization or another.

      • Ownbestenemy

        we will live in communities

        We do but even those are more widespread in the modern world than in not so long ago pasts; especially non-rural areas. Church community? Could be spread miles apart. So on and so on.

      • dbleagle

        A good catch there JI. If you survived as a free trapper, you either moved back east or out to the western coast. For example, Jim Bridger was a key figure as a trapper, then established a trading fort in WY, then helped develop Westport (now a district in KC) and is buried in KC. Others moved to Cali or Oregon and became influential citizens there.

      • Evan from Evansville

        BOOM, JI. Humans are social primates. We take quite a long time to develop enough to even prematurely go out on our own. UNABOMBERs and Mountain Men still tremendously rely on society, with True Exceptions being remarkably rare.

        Sex alone will always bring folk together. Families, clans, tribes, nations (and sadly) nations+ are logical expansions of a ‘society’s’ size.

  16. Chafed

    I am a child of the suburbs so no way am I becoming a homesteader. Still, this article is interesting and I really liked the debunking.

  17. PutridMeat

    Wanna feel pretty damn inadequate wrt to offgrid? Or just in general inadequate really? Check out Massie on Tucker-son

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, Sean, U, and Stinky!

      • Gender Traitor

        Well, thanks! Boss will be WFH, and reliable co-worker is off, so I’ll cover a few things for him. Otherwise, it’ll be continuing my move from one office to another. Unfortunately, that includes enlisting help to move two fire-proof (read “concrete-lined”) file cabinets, one (with current employee files) into my new office and the other (with former employee files) into the mail/office supply room because there’s not room for both in my new office.

        How about you?

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m annoyed because the “Space Planning” team has decided to play musical cubes with my team members without consultation with us. So now we have nowhere to put the two people we’re onboarding.

      • Gender Traitor

        “We plan for space, not for people!” 🙄

      • Fourscore

        Inefficiency experts?

      • Ownbestenemy

        @Fourscore – Yes, but they are efficient in their inefficiency!

    • Fourscore

      There’s always a solution. Just one more law, one more rule.

      “We’ll get it right this time”

    • Grumbletarian

      Saying “We’re closing because you wanted to unionize” seems like a good way to get sued by the NLRB.

      • cavalier973

        If the business no longer exists, what happens then?

      • Grumbletarian

        The owners still exist and can be ruined through legal costs.

    • Fourscore

      Closing will allow those employees more opportunities to explore other options.

      • Tres Cool

        The world could use some more glaziers.

    • R C Dean

      “In an email sent to employees on Monday afternoon, Ori Feibush, CEO of OCF Realty, said his coffee shops always have operated at a loss, and the decision to close was partly due to rising operational costs, reduced sales and the expiration of a few leases.”

      The barista/ringleader said:

      “I don’t think he should be allowed to just rip the rug out from so many people for, in my head, with no cause.”

      Of course, the union set up a GoFundMe for the newly unemployed baristas. Because the apparently uncontrollable reflex these days when something goes wrong is to stick your hand up and beg.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Desperate push to either goad Russia into attacking Poland or another NATO country which will give the politico class their wartime president or Russia capitulates and then the press class has their propaganda that Biden was leading men across the moonlit Dnieper River in the dead of night.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        It’s just astounding who we’re willing to crawl in bed with to achieve a political aim. I remember seeing a video of Al Nusra guys in Syria executing Christians they caught drinking alcohol using M16s and this kind of thing has bothered me ever since. It’s shameful.

      • cavalier973

        I bet Russia takes option “wait and see until after the 2024 US election.”

    • robodruid

      What happened to Antifa?

      • Not Adahn

        They’re getting ready for deployment to Milwaukee.

    • Not Adahn

      Yes, but they’re Ukrainian nazis which are the good kind. Not like Illinois nazis.

  18. Tres Cool

    suh’ fam
    whats goody

    My morning is going to suck- last night was too many TALL CANS

  19. Sensei

    But the hastily constructed pier was never designed to handle the Mediterranean Sea’s rough waters, which are expected to worsen over summer, and the logistics of delivering aid from the pier to the Gazan population proved vexing. The floating structure broke apart late last month after 10 days of operation, something defense officials privately described as all but inevitable, and some humanitarian organizations have all but given up making longer-term plans around the pier.

    After a week of repairs, the pier went back in place Saturday, only to be shut down again Sunday because of the rough waters, the Pentagon said. It reopened Tuesday.

    https://www.wsj.com/world/how-ambitious-plans-for-a-floating-aid-pier-off-gaza-fell-apart-d3336774?st=lgs02jgmarlwvps&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    • R C Dean

      It sounds like a pool toy more than something you would use in an emergency.