(Note: many links below are to progressive websites. I’m also sending a modified version of this piece to a private group. Since most of them lean progressive, I wanted sources that they couldn’t easily dismiss. I’ll try to remember to TW you).
One of the things that has fascinated me—in a morbid kind of way—in recent years is the desperate need for people to reinvent their chosen political candidate as some kind of perfect being. I describe this process as sanctifying, because it seems to have parallels to the theological concept which describes something earthly which has been turned into something holy. In keeping with this parallel, those who go down this path also have their own “holy books” – websites, news sources, radio stations, etc. These various sources means that members of Team Red and Team Blue are spared the onerous task of evaluating competing views. Instead, their chosen sources tell them why their opponents are wrong.
A couple of caveats to the contents of this essay. First, it will focus on the U.S. since that’s what I’m more familiar with at this time. Second, I use presidential candidates as examples, but much of what follows can also be applied to candidates for other offices. Third, I am not saying that the people I discuss have no good points. What I am getting at is the need to airbrush away all faults and reinvent politicians as almost messianic. This approach first drew my attention during the 2008 campaign, and subsequent administration, of Barack Obama. The rock-star like campaign rallies; people passing out in the crowd (overcome by adoration); the complete and open abandonment of any kind of objectivity by the media; the attempt to bury Obama’s slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians via drone strikes (not to mention his extra-judicial assassination of an American citizen). But, as I discuss below, it did not end with Obama.
Finally, in the interests of space, I’m only looking at the idea of “sanctification.” I’m not examining—in detail—the other side of the coin, the demonization of the opponent. But, herewith one or two brief examples. In the 1790s, the Federalists described Jefferson as determined to destroy the constitutional order and replace it with the evils of democracy.
Supporters of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s foreign policy derided so-called isolationists as, essentially, passive supporters of Hitler.
As with sanctification, demonization also seems to have ramped up in recent years with Donald Trump as the lightning rod. This has led to bizarre assertions: Trump is the worst person to ever be president (examine Andrew Jackson, Richard Nixon, and Woodrow Wilson before you try to defend that view in public). Or, Trump is the worst president (may I remind you of the gold-star ineptitude of Jimmy Carter or the perpetual war-mongering of George W. Bush). So, demonization is there but, as I noted, I want to look more at the idea of sanctification.
In 2016 Hillary Clinton was reinvented as an extraordinary, once-in-a-lifetime talent, and a kind person. This despite a decades-long history of incompetence and vicious personal attacks on others. Her demand to “believe all women” was celebrated despite her decades of verbal assaults on the character of women who accused her husband of sexual assault. That same year came the desperate attempt by people on the right to somehow paint Trump as a family man (which of his families I wonder) and someone who truly cared about the average worker (thereby ignoring his serial financial destruction of New York City sub-contractors). And some of us will remember the bizarre support for Trump’s covefe tweet (which our own The Hyperbole put into brutal context).
In 2020, Joe Biden, an angry, mean-spirited, dishonest, soft racist who has failed at everything in life except getting elected, was re-born as good ol’ Joe from Scranton. He was a friend to minorities (despite snarking about Indian immigrants and being co-author on one of the most horrible crime bills ever to pass Congress – TW Vox). He was a lover of the workingman (despite his decades-long slander of a working-class truck driver – TW National Review). He was a defender of women (despite his own record of questionable behavior and an accusation of sexual assault that his eventual veep pick would call creditable). And yet this sanctification was accepted by those who wanted to “stop Donald Trump.” As I overheard someone say at the gym, “Joe Biden is a decent man who has spent his whole life trying to help the average man” (which led Tundra to hilariously ask in a comment, “did you hit them – it would not be a violation of the NAP”). More recently, we were treated to the weird defenses of Biden’s obvious mental decline.
In the last few weeks, we have seen two more grotesque examples of this political sanctification. One comes from the right. Shortly after the attempted assassination of Trump, social media posts began to appear suggesting Trump was under the protection of the angels of God…
…or even of Jesus himself.
The second comes from the left. Kamala Harris is being reinvented (sanctified) as: a progressive jurist (despite being a vicious prosecutor who indicted the parents of truants double TW: TOS/ENB and refused a court order to release non-violent offenders because, she declared, California needed their labor); as having a sharp mind (despite all the evidence suggesting she is no mental giant); and being of calm demeanor (despite, by all accounts appearing to be incredibly unlikable, and treating staff members like crap).
These are the kind of things that are the crux of my concern: many Americans are investing their chosen politicians with virtues beyond that of the common man. This despite all the evidence that almost all politicians are the sleaziest of us all. This idea is being extended to the idea of politics itself. We are all familiar with the stomach-churning references to the Capitol—in the wake of the January 6 demonstration—as “sacred.” In an overseas parallel, in 2022, then prime minister of New Zealand, Jacinda Ardern lamented that protestors had “desecrated” the grounds of parliament.
As to why this sanctification happens, I don’t have any firm ideas. Part of it, of course, is the gradual deification of the state itself (I recommend Michael Burleigh’s Sacred Causes and Earthly Powers). But I also think the process is partially rooted in peoples’ self-perception. Most people think of themselves as at least decent people – and I think most are. I wonder if, subconsciously, decent people don’t want to think of themselves as supporting reprobates. So, their chosen candidate must, in some ways, be good and decent as well. People would do well to learn George Bernard Shaw’s bromide that “politics is the last refuge of the scoundrel.”
The bottom line is this: despite the fervent wishes of libertarians and anarchists, politics is going to be a big part of our lives for the foreseeable future (despite the reality that politicians can’t “solve” much of anything). And everyone should feel free to get involved however they wish: vote, campaign, argue, even run for office. But, as people who either oppose the state completely, or have dim views about it at the best of times, one of our goals should be to dissuade our friends from sanctifying their chosen candidates. In other words, persuade people to think of “their” candidate not as a righteous savior, but rather, to paraphrase that old—possibly apocryphal—saying that: “s/he may be a son-of-a-bitch, but s/he’s my son-of-a bitch.”
I suppose, then, that Raven Nation is Glibertarians’ son-of-a-bitch? 😉
Some Hair of the Dog?
Meh, there’s worse titles.
Wait just a damn minute now, do you have proof that the Archangel Gabriel did NOT keep Trump from being shot?
There is also no proof that Gabriel did not tell Trump he’s pregnant.
You’re both right!
Or Joe Fucking Biden. I have no qualms claiming that he is the worst president of my lifetime. And could very well be topped by his vice president.
But yes, my game strategy is to hate-vote against the Obama/Biden/Harris blob. If that means voting for Trump, so be it.
But yes, my game strategy is to hate-vote against the Obama/Biden/Harris blob. If that means voting for Trump, so be it.
This is where I’m at. Trump is no angel, but he’s nowhere near the villain the left has tried so hard to make him. They impeached him for doing something Biden bragged about doing as VP. They twisted laws almost unrecognizably to turn misdemeanors past their statute of limitations into the lowest level felonies possible to make Trump guilty of being some sort of Time Lord criminal. They found him guilty of violating laws they then declared they’d never bring against anyone else, so please don’t leave New York State, other businesspeople. They decided Mar-A-Lago was worth about forty-five dollars instead of the multiple millions bankers agreed was the value in order to peg him as a crook.
There are more than a few things I dislike about Trump, but there are less than a few things I like about the Democrats.
Same here.
And yes, I’ll be voting in person on Election Day. I don’t trust the Post Office with ballots from Repub-leaning areas such as mine. I also don’t want to submit a junk mail ballot because the more they get used, the harder they will be to get rid of (yes, I’m pretty sure that ship has sailed).
I have never for one moment considered the fraudulent “vote by mail” option.
Oregon is mandatory mail-in only voting. Coincidentally, there hasn’t been a non-Democrat in state office since the year that passed.
*ahem* Dennis Richardson
Still, fuck Phil Keisling.
Is there any way to challenge that in court, I wonder.
Start with the fact that the US condemns the same behavior when any other country does it.
Good write-up, Raven.
The other thing sanctifying politicians does is it gives their supporters license to viciously attack their opponents. It feeds into the politics-as-morality-play that is one of the poisons in our body politic.
Obligatory
Hell yeah 🎶
Such a great album
https://youtu.be/m_9hfHvQSNo
Go sanctify yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZlws4jB6w
Also excellent 🎶
Approved.
Very interesting analysis!
And now I have a Simple Minds song stuck in my head.
I’m think Living Colour.
Should have scrolled down that extra centimeter.
Why, do you think you are the next Kamala?
Every centimeter counts when you’re doing every mayor and half the NBA west.
I want to look more at the idea of sanctification.
My favorite sacred cow to slaughter is dishonest Abe.
Also, is it just me or has Kommiela been given the children’s table version of a podium?
Mrs. Dean wants to watch. We’ve got NBC news on. It’s hard to see how their pre-debate show could be more pro-Harris.
Well, I guess I’ll see how much of this minstrelsy I can abide.
“How many points do I get for spelling my name correctly?” – Kammy
Politicians are the Destructors of the Future. Between the reckless spending and inane foreign policy our children/grandchildren face a bleak future.
GIt in the zoom, dickweeds
5 seconds in and Taibbi drinks twice. Please don’t play along at home. I’m afraid I’m going to see someone die of alcohol poisoning live.
PROJECT 2025!!!
I just tuned into the debate. 90 seconds in, and I can’t stand it.
J6 and project 2025…You lying bitch.
Kammeltoe is trying to “excuse me, I’m speaking.” By only using facial expressions.
It seems like Dems are going with all the same, decades old talking points along with a load of lies about Trump.
He headed off that 2025 thing pretty well.
She’s acting like a woman. Heads I win, tails you lose.
She is just all over the place. Trying to squeeze in all her talking points into one answer.
Holy fuck that moderator is campaigning for Harris.
Unsurprisingly Trump is debating Kamala and the “moderators”.
Wait, selling out to China? Like her current boss?
lolright? Does she really wanna go there??
Now it’s ok to criticize the chicoms. Got it.
And the covid origin is totes up for debate now. After four years of slamming the door shut.
President Trump, why do you hate women?
Kammy’s optics are awful. I’ll allow it.
She can’t control herself.
Fact-checking moderators.
I may have missed it but I don’t think he said it was legal anywhere to kill a baby after birth.
No, he was pointing out there are Democrats advocating for post birth abortions.
Which there are. And what he’s been saying for awhile.
“states are voting on it”
We know how Democrats love democracy.
She’s going back to quoting 2025 after he totally disavowed it.
Thank you for that stirring and inspirational soundbite, Ms Vice President.
I watched 20 seconds or so. Kamala wants to kill babies.
I’m out.
Democrats need to kill babies so families can have children. Got it.
This is honestly not all that impressive for a moderately attractive woman.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/exhausted-model-who-vowed-bonk-33637366
“Annie, who is expected to earn more than a £1million this year, was somebody who used to hide her body in shame, after an unfortunate experience growing up[…]her maths teacher decided to weigh everyone in the class – resulting in her being the second heaviest. Completely humiliated, she started to cut her meals in half and a doctor eventually diagnosed her with an eating disorder”
…aaaaaand there you go.
Related:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/bonnie-blue-lands-uk-deliver-33602038
Both a national ban and legalization of abortion are not constitutional according to the most recent scouts decision on the matter. Zealots on both sides are being dishonest. It’s not a federal issue. Let it go.
Yes. The whole discussion a waste of breath.
scoutsscotus“Can I get a yes or no?”
He said no, bitch.
Trump is wandering off topic on abortion and Harris’s tear jerking response will hit home with many women.
I thought the mics would be cut off?
“No, that’s not true.”
what the fuck is she talking about now . . . let’s go to a trump rally.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
The “border bill” was a border invasion facilitation bill, you treasonous cunte.
My crowd is bigger than your crowd.
8 years of a cunte face nagger in chief. Elect away, bozos.
“They’re eating the dogs and the cats!!” Ok I turned it on for 30 seconds to hear that. Good timing.
The moderators are debating Trump.
Eating dogs and cats. This is the best timeline ever.
The Springfield city manager was lying, asshole.
Now she starts to cackle
She’s bragging about Cheney and McCain – holy fucking shit.
Here comes the cackle.
Dick Cheney endorsed me!
I’m the swamp creature candidate!
G-d bless you all for actually watching.
I don’t see a point, I know I’m voting for Trump so it’s irrelevant to me.
Have some titties.
https://archive.is/SJSu6/cea90f1480da1774ccf51f5c5d267e6529fd692c.jpg
NSFW.
She seems to have suffered a cranial inversion, someone get a rotator, stat!
Silly boy, she is head over heels for ya.
Establishment Republicans hate him. That’s good enough for me.
This whole time she’s acting like she and Biden aren’t in charge.
Spoiler alert: they’re not. And if she “wins” this election, she still won’t be.
What do you mean what have I been doing the ladt four years?
Did see a Trump ad which featured her talking about the woeful state of the economy, followed by her saying “this is Bidenomics” — just fucking brutal.
I’m sure the city manager is an upstanding fellow with nothing to hide, who certainly would not throw his constituents under the bus.
What’s Horizontal Harris’s staff turnover rate, not counting west coast mayors?
The moderator corrects trump but not harris
Yep. They are fact checking him live.
With facts that are not factual.
Shit, Trump is wandering and she’s kicking his ass rhetorically. Can we survive 4 years of Harris?
He needs to get on point.
He’s whiffing on softballs.
Just think, you can have 4-8 years of saying “I was right!”
As I always say to my wife, “When we are in the bread lines or lined up against some wall, at least I’ll have the satisfaction of knowing that I was right all along.”
+1 Trollope title
No. No, we cannot
Trump getting smoked by Kamala Harris is embarrassing.
I mean…is she?
Of course crime is down when you don’t have reporting from the crime centers of the country.
“Phony Willis. That’s what people say, a big, fat phony.”
With the fact checkers helping Harris out and Trump not being able to stay focused and on subject, she is sort of kicking his ass. There were many opportunities where he could have shut down her non sense but like usual he can’t stay focused.
She puts two or three things into each answer, and he goes for the shiny object. Like she mentions his rallies and he responds to that.
Exactly. Fuck the rallies, explain why the bill they presented was a load of horseshit and why he fought against it.
Meh..gotta put your mind into a mindless voter not the brain trust we have here
Name calling and putting people down? The same party that hates Americans and curb stomps them whenever they can?
Whoever coached her is smart. Put a little off topic hook into her answers so Trump chases after the nonsense.
pregame, MSNBC giving their “objective analysis” of the participants said that Harris had spent her entire career protecting the rights of all of us, and working for the common people.
I cannot think of a more contrafactual assertion.
But that is what they are campaigning on, and all of the spin-masters are flogging it like a revival-tent minister exaulting the resurrection.
This whole affair would make Goebbels blush.
Blush? He’d be applauding.
“I’m taking, now…Sound familiar?”
Bazinga!
All she has to do is smirk for two hours. No more interviews, townhalls, or follow up debates. And the media has already blessed the rope a dope strategy.
If I was in her shoes, I wouldn’t do another debate either or a news presser. Why should I when I know the media is doing most of the leg work for me.
Yep. Campaign from Joe’s basement.
I’m out. Her bald-faced lies are making me sick.
Oh going for the Charlottesville when it has been debunked? Who prepped her?
People who know 90% of people have no idea it’s been debunked.
It’s all the same lies. I am not surprised. But I am disappointed.
Appealing to the voters who want to believe the lies.
They repeat it because their believers believe it despite the debunking.
I agree but just as the moderator called out Trump for election ‘denial’ shouldn’t they have done so with this? I know…wishful thinking.
You’re going to hear lies tonight. I guarantee it. I will be telling them.
Charlottesville hoax.
Can’t stop repeating it.
Not going back.. to another four years of Biden Harris. Do it Donny.
And now “bloodbath”. Scott Adams is having a stroke right now.
Kommie-la is entirely unburdened by having to even pretend to be honest.
So…checking on his ‘flip-flop’ but have they asked Kamala on her numerous flip-flops? Howevere…this is a gotcha question from the media and he should have just deflected that question.
He fell into this trap….
Jesus…Trump fell into this…WTF ABC?
You must sign onto our version of reality.
Don’t worry, it’ll be a different reality tomorrow.
Are they going to go to commercial? I need another bacardi and I can’t listen to this cunt sober.
Is Kamala still in this debate? I feel like she’s just an afterthought now. It’s Trump vs the moderators.
Totally neutral.
She must be sober tonight. She’s grating, but not unhinged
I understand the Glib criticisms of Trump in this debate. Personally I think he’s doing ok considering he is debating a corrupt system, a regime, not a political opponent.
Look at some of these changes. Muir throws out a huge statement and she has to do is agree.
The only thing saving Trump in this debate is how absolutely in the can these moderators are.
“Do you think Donald Trump will be a dictator and refuse to leave office if he should be elected? And eats babies for breakfast?”
I mean..that is what I heard.
Well, I would never say such a thing!
I’m done
Ah come on…you just missed the explainer of Israel and Hamas
American Pravda.
This is terrible. Trump was calm last time, now he’s angry old man. She’s full of shit. Going to bed.
I’d be pissed too if she just fucking straight up lies over and over again and nobody calls her out on it.
They aren’t calling her out on being the incumbent.
Spheres of Terror is a great band name
When she talked about all the backstabbers who he hired the first time, how did he not bring up people like Gabbard, RFK, and Musk who are on his team.
Weakling. All those other countries laugh at him. That’s why they ran wild during his presidency.
No. Just … no.
How bout some Annie Agar?
MOAR BRED MOAR CIRCUSES!!!
You incited an insurrection in which hundreds of police officers were killed. If you had that day to live over, would you do anything differently?
Why do you want to see the people of Ukraine enslaved?
Solid statesmen answer
Why isn’t the same question posed to her?
How does a black chick sound that nasal?
She had that under control, and it’s back. Ugh.
Indian Canadian upbringing?
“Excuse me,
I’m speakingyou are not running against Biden, you’re running against me.”“DOMINOES!” screeched the hectoring bitch.
So you are saying you blew Zelinskyyy?
President Trump is lying again. Your response vice president?
Her answers on Ukraine are great if you have no idea what is going on.
Unfortunately. Her acting game is on.
When can I start doomscrolling twitter about the end of America? Because it sounds like political nihilism is back on the menu, boys.
The regime cuntes are desperately trying to lie their way into an unnecessary, pointless war with Russia.
“Bro,
you don’t got the 100 millionPutin wants to conquer Europe.”Camp David is a storied American location?
Didn’t Carter bring the PLO there?
That was quite a stirring soliloquy, Ms Harris.
It’s just wild to me that these people lie so naturally without a hint of remorse or retrospection. And the worst part is that their lies gets people’s livelihoods destroyed or gotten others straight up killed but yet they persist in their lies and will destroy those who call them out.
I’m not a perfect man, but I try to live by a set of principles everyday and if I deviate from it, I’m hard on myself because I know that to live a fulfilling life Christian life, one must be a man or woman of integrity. But then you see someone like Kamala Harris whose career is built on throwing people in jail and destroying their lives moving on up in the world and being handed power. Not only is she not remorseful for the life she has led, she’s given a free pass by those who tell us day in and day out how moral and better than they are than most.
The amount of lying is just staggering. Hoax after hoax, lie after lie. It is foreign to me too.
I wonder if they look in the mirror everyday and have to convince themselves that all of this lying and dishonestly is worth it.
To them every “noble lie” is justified for the greater good.
RACE!!!!!!!
She is stumbling over the setup from ABC…
*Checks my ability to move up in FedGov* Nope…at the bottom of the list cause I am white and straight.
“Biden’s decision to withdraw from Afghanistan.”
It was Trump’s decision. The Biden-HARRIS regime failed to adhere to the terms set by the Trump administration. This offended the Taliban. The Taliban considered the terms null and void.
Biden had no problem throwing out all of Trump’s executive orders, but for some reason they had no leeway in that withdrawal deal?
*outright prolonged laughter*
Wrap yourself in that flag, you dishonest cunte.
One fucking lie after another, but told convincingly by Harris. She kicked his ass in this debate. Independents will see an angry old man and a calm, rational woman. I just hope I’m reading this result wrong (I thought Hillary was a lock to win in 2016) but fear we will be getting used to “Madame President.”
Eh…I think from a non-glib standpoint – she gains a point. People in political circles, I think Trump gets a point. I think this is a wash.
Harris did not clearly lose. She was way more coherent than her stump speeches would indicate.
Thus, Trump looses big time, because the press will say Harris wins and Trump looses. The press has all it needs to continue the gaslighting of America.
The media would say Trump lost even if Harris was worse than Biden.
kinnath nailed it.
I actually don’t think the debate matters all that much. She will continue her version of the Biden basement campaign.
Lies convincingly told are not necessarily convincing. I’m hoping people can see through the bs, see the act. This is a no black pill zone.
The question isn’t about the liar, it’s about those who want to believe the lies.
I’d like to think that genuine independents do a little more research than committed party animals and based on more than one bullshit debate.
But what do I know.
Now we are on to the central park 5 lie…
…and the birther lie!
The birther thing was Her Shrillness, Hillary of
ArkansasChappaqua.Oh she is going in on her plan that she copied straight from Biden’s website while stating she isn’t Biden.
Think they are dumb enough to let Walz debate Vance?
Welp..good luck Kamala walking back your lurch to the center while tossing your lefties to the side.
Nope. Campaign will go into submarine mode now until after Election Day.
Kamala won’t have to walk back anything. Her surrogates and the MSM will do it for her.
The forever Trump crowd can content themselves that DeSantis won’t be president either.
Right? Winning!!!11
But hey, only four years of Harris, right? Then Trump can run again. And at least he derailed DeSantis forever, right?
Her voice… Like having a tooth drilled. It’s unbearable.
Insurance and “health care” not same.
Kamala owns guns. So chill out about 2a, you far-right, low-browed, knuckle-dragging bitter-clingers.
Not like we can look up her speeches from 4 years ago. We’ll just have to believe.
Trump surges 14 points with independents, Latinos shift 19 points in ex-prez’s favor: poll
Former President Donald Trump appears to have made remarkable gains of about 14 points among independents and 19 points with Latino voters relative to Vice President Kamala Harris in a new poll.
Trump, 78, jumped ahead of Harris with a three-point lead among independents in a multi-candidate contest, 49% to 46%, gaining significant ground since the August poll in which he trailed Harris, 59, by 11 points, 48% to 37%, according to fresh polling from NPR/PBS News/Marist.
In between the August and September polls, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — who notched 12% support in the prior survey — dropped out of the race and endorsed Trump. Additionally, Harris’ “honeymoon” from her abrupt ascension to the nomination appears to have begun leveling out.
In an honest election, the dems don’t have a chance at winning. But it doesn’t matter.
Her voice… Like having a tooth drilled. It’s unbearable.
It’s perfectly matched to her smirking bitchface.
EXTREME WEATHER!!!!!!
Seasons?
Unions!
On a Non-political note, the Buck factory was interesting, if noisy.
I got a deal on a limited edition S35VN steel 501 Squire folding knife for the price of the softer 420HC versions. It was a 2022 Limited Edition, so they were trying to offload the remainder. Regular retail was 3x the 420HC price.
My condolences on a working factory being noisy during your visit.
I’m more sorry about the hearing damage those operators are risking. I was still someone deafened for a bit after leaving despite the earplugs.
Meow!
I assume it was like this.
https://youtu.be/YTgwpnPIJEA?si=Y1P3KRiJRdlkDMbr
Unless they are flagrantly violating OSHA rules regarding PPE, I’m sure they will be fine.
I don’t know what they were doing, I was focused more on the industrial processes.
You’d have liked it.
I’m sure I would have. I look forward to hearing about it at HH. Did you get pictures?
I asked, but Pictures are not allowed.
Not surprising, but disappointing. I guess I’ll have to try and get there myself. I bet it was a cool tour.
The Scott Adams show is going to be fun tomorrow.
Well, actually, Anthropogenic Climate Change, as a concept employed by the regime, is absolutely a hoax used to exact ever more control over the population, you dishonest, tyrannical cunte.
I just dont see this changing anything.
Who is undecided?
It will be the GOV vs. Fraud.
I have to remind myself this is just an exercise in confirmation bias.
You’re probably right. I only caught the last ten minutes. She wasn’t horrible. He isn’t great. From what I heard, few minds will be changed.
Nope. It was a bum fight and your favorite bum obviously won
It would have been fun to see Vivek in this debate.
He was too busy keeping a rock from falling on the city named after him.
You nerd!
You got the reference, what does that say about you?
tbh I only got as far as ratting out the one guy on his stash… and fighting mud crabs… and finding the mage with the flying boots (?) who dies… and fighting cliff racers… and hating cliff racers… mostly hating cliff racers. That was twenty five years ago.
I couldn’t get into Oblivion or Skyrim much, either. Loved the hell out of FO3 and 4, though.
Oh yeah. I really do hope Vance gets a chance.
What we need now is a live
studiocolosseum audience to give them both a thumbs-down verdict of death.I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
“I only have one client….as a prosecutor, I only ask ‘are you okay'”…lets check the replay on that one..
I’d say Raven’s article debunked (prebunked?) that one.
That’s not true. She’s had many clients. Many many clients.
Trump could have done much better.
You try debating a system that is against you and everything you stand for.
He knew that’s what he needed to do.
You can have strategy. But numbers is a strategy all by itself. You can’t cover and counter dozens of lies per minute.
Yes. He was all over and kept repeating things. There were good responses to every attack and he missed most of them.
Is it over?
Team Harris declares victory.
As does regime media.
Same thing
Huh, blue blue blue. Blue lighting in the background. Blue laptops. Blue signage behind the panelist. Which team again?
Post celebration with Walz. Another angry nagger.
I just watched the hometown minor league baseball team lose a playoff game – their first in seven years – by blowing their lead in the top of the ninth. Now they’d have to win two away games to advance. 😞
Still less discouraging than the debate, as far as I can tell from your comments.
So, you should have left after the 8th?
Probably would have had an easier time getting out of downtown. Place was (predictably) packed.
She has PLANS!
Mostly, it’s basically a twelve year old’s “plan” to grow up and win the super bowl, but it’s a plan. Meanwhile, she wants to shower people with money conjured out of thin air. Why didn’t Trump mention that? Why didn’t he ask her where the money will come from?
Plans to deceive and subjugate.
Because Trump sprays money out of a fire hose when given the opportunity, too.
He did miss some really obvious hits on general policies from the last few years. Watched Razorfist’s stream – not too bad.
Was hoping to vote early before travel, but I’m not driving back to the county seat from Norfolk after voting starts 20 Sep, so I guess I’ll have to swing a mail-in ballot.
I did get a call on my cell from Gallup this afternoon. Normally I would have hung up immediately but figured today it might be a little more worthwhile – basically told him I hated everyone and that we needed better 3rd party options. Might have been better if I had messed with my demographics too….oh well.
We need to sanctify our Firsters.
Ugh. Really? Sanka is the worst covfe I’ve ever had.
Anything is possible when you can spend an hour and a half lying without consequence, supported by the moderators/media/etc.
CNN headline.
The vice president calls out Trump for attacking her racial identity, equating it with his attacks on Obama’s birthplace
Uh…I’m sure it was the moderators who asked that and set up. Same same I guess.
Talking heads at CNN seem to think that Trump saying that Kammy can be whatever she wants is racist. There is no winning with these dishonest assholes.
I’d assume Team Trump knew this
Word is Harris is now proposing another debate. Obviously, and with some merit, she thinks she won and can do so again.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3vB-8fekKJuEnOh-oH7wPoX6Db4MQg09vEg&s
Mistake really. These are swinging what? <1-5% of any demo
Trump should agree to one moderated by Musk on X Spaces.
Harris team will cry foul because Musk is clearly a Trump supporter.
Trump could then rightly question what the difference would be between that and what happened tonight with ABC.
The betting markets don’t think it went as badly for Trump apparently as you guys do. Trump lost 2 points but it still ahead. After the Biden debate debacle, he dropped 25 points immediately after the debate ended. So the bookies apparently consider the debate a wash, which I think it was likely always going to be unless one or the other of them absolutely self-destructed (like Biden did). I didn’t watch (see above) but based on descriptions it sounds like it went as one would expect: Kommie-la lied her ass off and the moderators covered for her, Trump rambled but also didn’t score any major own goals.
Betting markets clearly aren’t taking election fortification into account.
I didn’t watch the debate.
Did Trump have any standout insult or quote like “nasty woman” or “she persisted” or anything that the Harris campaign will put on T-shirts that all the AWFLs will be wearing by this weekend?
How can I take that seriously when you haven’t provided pics of scantily clad politicians?
*Insert puking Emoji Here*
I only want to see some Boebert yogurt and my girl Anna Paulina Luna.
I’d be ok with Saana Marin, but she may not count. I think she’s jus doing Only Fans now.
I thought Boebert was pretty until I saw that back tattoo. I’m with you on Luna.
You are a man of taste, Chafed. I was very disappointed by the ink.
According to CNN, Trump told a million lies and Harris only told one, little off-white false-claim.
Why don’t you trust the media?
You can trust them now. CNN restored their journalistic integrity by re-hiring Bryan Stelter.
Taylor Swift just officially endorsed “Gifted leader” Kamala Harris, signing her statement “Childless Car Lady”.
Ugh. The parade of smug, shallow celebrities fawning over Kamala’s empty suit is sickening.
Well, they both used their personal relationships to get where they are today
Kamala Harris official Xaittwr account just posted “Donald Trump has no plan for you.”
I’m sure her staffers think that’s a brilliant tweet, but it creeps me all the way out, because it implies “Kamala Harris has a plan for you.”
—shudder—
Her flock eats that shit up.
*plotz*
Why do “YOU PEOPLE” and “you people” put yourselves through this?
Why not enjoy what you have?
Why not increase what you have?
Why do you give a fuck what theses two fucktards debate about?
I doubt Donald Trump cares about me and my 7.6 acres of swamp in northern Minnesoda.
I doubt Kamala Harris cares about me and my 7.6 acres of swamp in northern Minnesoda.
Fuck them both. I’ll slay them in hell.
/not voting
/the last laugh is on me
I bet she does.
How dare you own land, you vile kulak!
I’ll slay them both in hell.
I don’t think she gives a fuck what a lone anarchists (me) in northern Minnesoda thinks. And I think that is part of the problem. I don’t think Republicans give a fuck either.
“my 7.6 acres”
That ain’t your, comrade.
You say swamp, the US GOV says navigable waters of the US
Former NFL QB Robert Griffin III just tweeted
“Ayyy man is Donald Trump darker than Kamala Harris or is it just my TV?”
😂🤣
Of course because RGIII is a Black man yet doesn’t support Kamala, he gets called sexist.
Vance dismantled that Kaitlyn chick on CNN.
Then the rest of those cuntes covered for her by lying about the circumstances of the cat/duck memes because MUH-RACISM.
But, bro, trust the media and institutions, bro.
Speaking of “Bro”, I thoroughly enjoyed this Freedom Tunes episode on Kamala’s wealth tax proposals.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Xe3SGUH6A
For those of you flummoxed by a world in which people can suddenly fawn over Kamala after having nothing but disdain for hee until moments ago….
I give you this
https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/41210056/breakdancing-org-issues-explanation-raygun-top-world-rankings
Australian breakdancer Raygun is the top ranked breaker in the world, per the breaking governing body.
And you thought clown world was a metaphor.
Huh. I would have picked this as the worlds top breaker.
https://www.northerntool.com/products/titan-jumbo-breaker-bar-40in-1in-drive-243808?srsltid=AfmBOorShfR2iIEaeTVR2O0uVoKGQnKXI7r2esMCrL97TshJM18sHpAY
Tonite may have been a black cat event. It could very well lead to a new movement, MeowToo. The childless cat lady vote is now in play.
I can’t wait for the next pussy hat march on DC.
The future of the human race depends on childless cat ladies.
So who won tell me EVERYTHING
Everyone loses.
No.
The only reason Biden lost the last debate was some saw an opportunity to remove him. If the decision was to keep him, the MSM would have covered as hard for him as they are now for Harris.
Possibly BUT there’s limits to their spin and that was well past those limits but, you’re right, in retrospect it was a trap. If he didn’t fall completely on his face it would’ve been spun as a validation of a sharp mental state and if he didn’t he would be replaced by an uberleftist blank slate which is what happened. She, as a person and policywise, is far more palatable to them anyway.
Also, Kentucky Spirit is outstanding.
Oh not it isn’t
You need to check the warehouse it comes from. Camp Nelson all the way.
Good morning all. No use in fretting too much about all of this. One way or another we are all doomed in the end.
My take, albeit late to the point of belated: The vast majority of human beings live in perpetual fear. They find existence itself to be terrifying. They are craven cowards who flock together for protection and long with every fiber of their being for a savior. The two worst things you can say to them is 1) No one is going to save you, good does not always win out in the end. If you are going to be saved and good triumph you have to step up and do it yourself.
2) Everything is not about you.
With that I am going to watch silly dog videos and drink some tea. I have Earl Grey and some black tea with caramel and vanilla. I will try both yet again because I haven’t decided which I like better.
Narrator: Coffee is better.
Mrs. Suthenboy is awake now. Coffee is being consumed. Also, she made a huge loaf of bread yesterday afternoon. We are both having large slices now toasted and buttered.
*I have tea before she wakes. I start the coffee maker when she does.
Those truths don’t win elections and voicing them will see you relegated to political irrelevance. It’s why we have to pick the liar that’ll cause the least damage.
Good morning, you people!
😋🌄🍳
Mood: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/51/58/355158eddfe78164c5bd135f75b50b27.gif
Mood music: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aJg4OJxp-co
🎶🎶
Absolute banger. Enjoy.
Mood music: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aJg4OJxp-co
Highway tune the danger zone?
Also a banger
Wasn’t she fired by Fox News or something?
Mornin’, reprobates!
I hear something happened last night. Something like this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sonLd-32ns4
Good morning, ‘patzie, Stinky, rhy, Sean, Ted’S., and Suthen!
Mornin’.
*groan*
Seems like the Donald would have prepared better for the debate with prison on the line but it is what it is. So what’s a good investment strategy for price controls, the Green Energy economy, and 401K confiscation because we’re gonna need one.
Somebody cheer me up though, do normal people, people who unlike us don’t really follow politics and vote with their gut, really pay attention to debates?
I think only undecideds pay any attention and I hope they look beyond stupid, obviously biased debates.
It changes nothing.
CommaLa is still a commie whore. Congress is still full of lying cunts. We are still fucked no matter what.
Have a nice day. 😂😂
Oh I know we’re fucked either way, math and exonomics don’t care about party affiliations after all, it’d just be better to cruise into fuckitude with someone who doesn’t hate my guts in the presidency. We may as well put that Brazilian judge in charge if she actually does win.
That’s the spirit.
Obligatory- but true: very nice piece.
During last night’s trainwreck, I was texting with some friends. The very best takes came from an old friend from the Reason days, Grand Moff/Serious Man.
“It’s who he is, an emotionally retarded toddler. He deserves the humiliation of losing to Harris. He’s getting a raw deal from the flagrant favoritism shown towards Harris by the moderators, but any mentally competent Republican pol would be able to hammer Harris for not answering any of the questions.”
Over a year ago, I made election bets with Heroic Mulatto, Sloopy, and Spud. Biden was still running (or pre-running, the campaigns hadn’t kicked in) and I bet that Harris would win the next presidential election. Logic was that Biden would either die or be outed as too senile. Score for OMWC. And that Trump would be absolutely unable to control himself and self-immolate in irrelevant tantrums. Score again for OMWC.
I prefer my winnings in clean, crisp, new $20 bills.
Downside: I was supposed to meet up with a very attractive and bright lady next week. We’d had some really fun PM conversations and seemed like we were clicking. She started texting me during the debates, calling Harris “masterful,” “Wonderful,” “Brilliant,” “FABULOUS.” Sigh.
Well, Camelhead owns the AWFL set.
…. so stunning… so brave….
Vaguely remember that guy.
lol Absolutely.
I came across a take last night, some words to the effect of, “If the GOP had chosen Desantis he’d be up by double digits now.”
I wonder. The conventional wisdom was that he “tanked”, he has “no charisma”, and such. I wasn’t buying it then, and it seemed like a fix was in.
DeSantis is a (mostly) solid governor with a kind of anti charisma. He may have done better in this specific debate but overall he wouldn’t be doing any better and very possibly worse.
Which is bananas because there are one or two leftists who admit that Harris has zero charisma.
That take is right up there with “I’d vote R if they’d just nominate a reasonable candidate”. DeSantis would be smeared just as hard as every other Republican candidate in my lifetime. The landscape is shifted. Between the long march through the institutions and the brides of the state (what’s the male equivalent? Wards of the state?), the constituency for the party of the welfare state is enormous.
If you’re the kind of person that likes being herded by a shrill schoolmarm, and there are plenty out there by the way, Harris is very charismatic. Her goose would have been cooked if they had run any kind of true primary to replace Biden though but with the way it was set up she’s golden.
The Onion
@TheOnion
FACT CHECK
TRUMP: “People don’t leave my rallies.”
TRUE: They’re carried out in body bags.
I mean…that’s the Onion of old. Crass, but well played.
*checks comment count on front page *
Wow! My post really inspired comments!
*checks comments*
Ahh
/jk. Grateful to be published
It was a good article that unfortunately posted before a fairly big news story.
Set your next article for Tue night 11/5 and watch the meter run.
Thank you, btw, Prof RN.
Good morning!
Have GMSM and Kibbe outbred the Spicers yet?
No progeny to date.