Recent news broke out of famous singer and fat acceptance icon Lizzo’s weight loss. Leading many to ask the important question: Is the Fat Acceptance Movement Finally Dead? One can only hope.
The more important question is how the hell did something so terrible happen to begin with? Who knows the extent of the damage the movement caused. The push of elephant-sized women into the spotlight, all over fashion magazines and advertisements, leading to circus freak side show-esque television shows about increasingly larger creatures, and the common use of the phrase “fat shaming” to quiet those daring to point out how horribly unhealthy the spectacle was.
The easy answer to that question is that the populace was getting fatter so they needed to appeal to the populace with fatter models. But I think we need to go further than that even. We quickly forgot how far the pendulum swung. Much of the swing was due to how ridiculous media beauty standards were prior to the radical swing.
I am in no way justifying the insane push for fat acceptance, but am merely trying to diagnose the source to avoid a future occurrence. Being fat is not healthy. The reason why we do not see 300 pound or more 80 years olds is the same reason why we do not see 6’10” or taller 80 years olds. Being that large puts incredible strain on the human body. Some of the most sad and amusing news stories of the last decade were ones about these fat icons swearing that you can be “healthy at any size” and then dropping dead in their 30s and 40s.
So the question remains: what was the source? I think it’s three pronged: the increase of obesity in the western world, the anti-bullying campaign in the 90s and early aughts, but most importantly, the insane media beauty standards for many decades.
It is easy to blame marketing departments for pushing fatties on us, but we forget that there was no backlash. The public (mostly women) responded positively to it. The reason why is due to an exhaustion of decades of ridiculous standards to begin with. Starting with Twiggy, going through the 70s cocaine chic all the way to the 90s Kate Moss heroin chic, we had decades of unhealthy anorexic women being shoved down the throat of young impressionable girls. Plus-sized models were considered size 6 and larger. Hollywood also followed along. Comically fat girls were normal sized women with some baby fat still on them. I remember being a teenager and watching Ever After, the Cinderella-based movie starring Drew Barrymore. In the movie, one of the evil step sisters was supposed to be comically fat (played by an adorable Melanie Lynskey). Throughout the movie, the evil stepmom comically stopped her from eating. Please indulge me, male-based readership, and imagine being an impressionable teenage girl watching a movie and being told that a cute normal-sized girl is comically fat.
The world prior to the fat acceptance movement was one in which the media obsessed over how a tubbo like Kate Winslet could be a star and my personal favorite: spending weeks obsessing over Brittany Spears getting “fat”. Still fresh in my memory are all of all the articles, TV segments, and every dipshit morning DJ making jokes of how Brittany let herself go.
The fat acceptance movement did not come out of nowhere. It was a pendulum swing after multiple generations of women being raised with a media telling them that anything larger than a size 2 was disgusting. A world in which Jennifer Lopez was unique as a movie and pop star not because she was anywhere near considered fat, but because she had a round ass. So it is understandable that Dove’s Real Beauty ad campaign to show normal looking women of all sizes was like a relief valve to so many women. After decades of being told they are fat and gross for not looking like .001% of the female population, it finally felt good to see the media pander to them.
So the question now is where do we go from here? Impossible beauty standards eventually led to non-existent beauty standards. I do not want to go backwards to an age where 90 pound drug addicted models are shoved down our throats and a 5 pound weight gain by a pop star is talked about incessantly for weeks. At the same time, we cannot have a populace dropping dead like flies with heart disease because they were told they could be healthy at any size.
*Lights the Tres signal*
Lights the signal? That’s a five hundred pounder dropped right on his home.
“At the same time, we cannot have a populace dropping dead like flies with heart disease because they were told they could be healthy at any size.”
Darwin says otherwise.
I’m not sure if chicks were being told that “anything larger than a size 2 is disgusting” as much as show-biz and model types being held up as an ideal. We didn’t see guys turning into 400-pound blobs because Schwarzenegger and Stallone epitomized the ideal male form on the big screen.
I dunno, maybe your average guy just says to himself, “I know I don’t look like Brad Pitt, but if I shower every day and stay in reasonable shape, I’ll score with some cute girl eventually.”
I strongly agree with this.
I’m really proud of Lizzo. I wish her nothing but the best.
Being fat is not healthy.
It’s silly. We all know big giant fatties who had long long awesome lives, but that’s not the norm. My gramps was obese and lived to 79 but that’s no reason to be emulate.
All that said, No FB
My grandpa smoked like a chimney and was a good 300 lbs at least and managed to live until 80. My grandma who is in her 80s and looks and acts more like someone in her 60s is still angry at him for refusing to take care of himself as she’ll be living the next 40 years alone at her rate.
*Looks at fat tire*
No comment.
I don’t think people should accept being fat.
/Fat Bastard
South Park – It’s Lizzo
Also I’ll repost this from today’s morning links.
I learned two new things this morning.
1. Don’t rely on TikTok to do anything consistent.
2. The latest buzzword “disordered eating”.
https://www.wsj.com/health/liv-schmidt-skinny-tiktok-videos-e705c954?st=xctZjc&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
I just baked peanut butter stuffed -peanut butter cookies with chocolate chips.
What are we talking about here?
I’ve become Betty fucking Crocker, only First, too.
Wouldn’t mind trying one them. However if I did I stand of good chance of ending up in the hospital again in a lot of pain. So I’ll have to pass.
Pixs or it didn’t happen
The Bro does not lie.
I’ll get an interior shot once they cool down.
They’re ugly, but they’re supposed to be.
When are you going to finish baking them?
They are the best god damn cookies you’ll ever have if you like peanut butter. Looks be damned.
Yes, they are cooked. That is gooey peanut butter in the middle of a well baked cookie.
I have created magic.
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains.
Those look nice.
Its not a cookie, mother, its a…a…an undercooked drop biscuit with peanut butter and chocolate chips.
*still might consider eating it*
They are cooked. The peanut butter inside is frozen before hand and doesn’t have anything mixed with it besides some powdered sugar.
The outside is entirely crispy.
And they are fucking amazing.
And yes, they look different. They are made primarily with brown sugar and baking powder over soda so they stay fat instead of you”re thin, shriveled cookie.
That right there is the key to a good deep fried cheese curd.
/nods towards my eastern (Wisconnie) neighbors
I will just not tell my husband about these.
OT… I guess #metoo is officially dead.
Just like Epstein. Massive sex trafficking ring without any clients. Complete mystery.
When I was 19, I desperately wanted to look like Arnold. I hated my scrawny arms and legs.
Arnold Palmer?
Maybe I should have been more specific. Ahnold, not Arnold.
Arnold Horshack did have skinny legs IIRC 😉
Oooo oooo oooo Mistah Kottah Mistah Kottah
Now I lay me down to sleep, Arnold Horshack at my feet.
-Epstein
I hadn’t ever considered/thought of the ‘backlash’ argument, but that does seem reasonable.
I do think you are missing a major factor here though, and that’s the disruptive nature of ‘fat-acceptance’. Pax Trey, but fat is not beautiful. From the standpoint of evolution, a good set of padding in the right places, absolutely. Fat, obese, no. But if you can make people repeat that lie and live with it – there are 4 lights after-all – that’s part of the disruption of their psyche. Keep them off balance, require that they believe and, indeed, wholeheartedly embrace the absurd and they become less and less capable of independent thought and action. Fat acceptance was/is a part of the post-modernist attack on western culture, a part of the attempt to contribute to creating a population amenable to The Revolution.
Despite his poor musical tastes, this guy get it.
Most female fashion models were some gay guys idea of sexy. Kate Upton was initially rejected by Victoria’s Secret for being too fat. Give me Anna Nicole Smith (when she was alive) over Kate Moss any day of the week. I don’t know that Trey’s ideal is ideal, but I like curves.
Right there with you, Brother.
I’m sorry… I keep hearing this, but it’s ridiculous. Gay guys are not completely ignorant of what is an attractive woman.
The more likely theory is that twiggy women make good clothes hangers.
I mean, as a straight man, I don’t care about the clothes much at all and it’s about the female body. You could put a really attractive women in a burlap sack and the straight guy is going to think the sack looks great.
Women don’t usually dress for men.
We dress so that when we walk past a plate glass window and look at ourselves, we will think we look hot.
Double relevant. Ellie May Clampett bakes cookies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-SBAYfySuE
“The girls walk by dressed up for each other…”/Van Morrison
@Mo: Boom. Women purchase lingerie to feel sexy about themselves.
My simple take– Genders have a fundamental, biological value to enhance their chance/number of progeny:
Women: Fertility. (Age; symmetry; family; status.
Men: Resource provision. (Strength; ability; means; family; status.)
You people have lost your effin’ minds.
Sounds about right.
Good article Moj. A Hungry Hungry Hippo (male or female) is not healthy or attractive to the bulk of the population. The same for the Heroin Chic look (M or F), they appeal to only the outliers. Maybe the pendulum will stop closer to the middle this time.
OT: Don Bx schools the population on 10 economic lessons.
https://www.aier.org/article/ten-lessons-of-the-economic-way-of-thinking/
Moj? Did I miss something in the posting?
Not Moj.
Banjos.
Preppers talk about their food storage. I got your food storage RIGHT HERE! *pats belly*
ACK! A thousand apologies to both of you ladies. I beg, humbly, for neither of you to gift me a Hezbollah pager.
DrOtto makes a not incorrect point as well. Why would heterosexual men and women fall for what gay dudez in the industry say is attractive?
For me, give me muscles that have been used and the headspace that is developed by athletically active women.
Like so, I assume
That is acceptable. But as a climber I was thinking along the lines of: (NSFW)
https://forum.xnxx.com/attachments/0rocks-jpg.770496/
Mrs. Tok loves Ever After. I must have seen it 50 times with her.
Yup. Good flick
I’m believing RFK’s message on food and health. The food pyramid is some upside down bullshit, seed oils and ultraprocessed foods are poison.
I have 2 teenage nephews who are badly overweight in a way that nobody was fat like that in the 70s.
My answer to the question is try to avoid the fake food while getting exercise. Seems to keep us from getting too fat as we age.
About 5 years ago I felt sore, like every day. I blamed it on my job as a mechanic initially, but after hearing several of you guys going on about processed foods and sugars, decided to cut out added sugars (I would have an HEB pure cane sugar soda for ‘breakfast’ everyday previous to that) and to the extent I could, most fried foods (I can’t say ‘no’ to good fried chicken) and eat fewer processed foods. Within about 2 weeks the soreness/joint pain went away. I eat a lot more green/vegetables and while I now have probably more sugar than I should but certainly less than I considered normal 5 years ago, I feel better than I did even 10 years ago. I even seem to heal faster from injuries.
So, apparently Wikipedia has a whole page titled “Seed Oil Misinformation.” Among other things that page reports that researchers have labeled “seed oil misinformation” as “associated with the political right, culture writer Ej Dickson describing for Rolling Stone magazine the belief as “right-wing adjacent”[36] and professor of Russian studies Maya Vinokour describing it in the left-wing magazine Jacobin “lifestyle fascism” and “right-wing masculinist discourse.”
Oh, and “Supporters of the cryptocurrency Bitcoin have been noted to have strong opposition to seed oils, connecting it to a general opposition to the government and media establishment.”
Nothing has been more entertaining than seeing health consciousness being highjacked by the “far right”.
OMG I can’t even.
This is a _really_ good book:
https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259
Exercise is good, but not as a way to lose weight. It might help kick up your metabolism, but it’s mostly about what you eat.
When the famine comes, us fatties will outlive you all.
Oh please. They’d get easily tackled after getting chased by a starving mob that ran out of cats to eat.
That’s what the M1A and multiple cases of 308 are for.
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for lunch. The 2nd Amendment gives the sheep a say.
Florida Woman fired from teaching after 31 years of complaints. If only I had such luck…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-z_q3qfxs0
Kate Moss
I’m tempted to post pictures of the pork chops , mashed pataters, and pork gravy we had last night.
They were so good.
Never understood that one
A North Korean strongman who can lift 374 pounds over his head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVAqwyv1uN0
Note that he does not have stereotypical bodybuilder muscles.
Nor does this centuries-old sculpture of Hercules:
https://www.worldhistory.org/img/r/p/1500×1500/1407.jpg.webp?v=1722826623
Technically, Commodus playing the part of Hercules, but the point stands. Bigger muscles are not necessarily stronger muscles.
Yeah, I remember watching an old World’s Strongest Man competition from the 70’s with Lou Ferrigno, and he did not do well.
Those guys in those Strongest Man Competitions were built like oil drums. I especially remember the Farmer’s Walk. A bit more taxing than lugging pairs of golf cart batteries. However, put any of them in their prime against Usain Bolt in a 100 meter dash and Bolt would be approaching the finish line before they were well out of the starting blocks. There’s strength and then there’s athleticism.
This is fantastic. I’ll start with my theory — which runs adjacent to yours — before I get off in a Must Type Ev phase. I. Am. Exhausted. Which is profoundly good news.
Abundance is the Linchpin in the current trend. Having so much food for all fucks with us.
People need something to feel ‘bad’ about, and with food aplenty, and obesity a disaster in Modern America.. it’s ‘biologically’ hard to be angry. Malnutrition, to eating disorders, to obese and lack of physical ability/movement /sex appeal etc –> Food and appearance are primal instincts humans can/will not ignore.
Varying-weight fads, changing generation to generation are expressions of culture, but abundance of wealth is key to all. Otherwise, no time to worry ‘too’ much about Fashion for All. Cave days, fat was sexy (“So much food!”), then the changes in faddish sex appeal and the unconventional being sexy to all sorts. So it goes!
The car I NEED: https://www.pembleton.co.uk/t24
There’s something deeply wrong with the younger generation. A complete inability to deal with differing viewpoints like the mere expression of a contrary opinion is an attack on them.
I blame the anti-bullying campaign on that shit. That’s why internet bullying and bringing back calling people fags and retards is so important.
It’s true.
An oversimplified hot take; the troubles with todays younger generations’ self esteem problems can be directly tied to the year this playground retort stopped being heard on America’s playgrounds.
Yep, and the tech that my gen gives them, and insulates itself with. People walk around in internal bubbles of Bluetooth calls, podcasts, music+++. They are seemingly so afraid to speak to anyone in society, the biological environment they exist in.
I actively fight my introverted nature with the characters I also play, though ’tis work.
Hence the ‘big conversation’ about ‘Who you’d rather
meat(sigh) meet in the woods, a bear or a man?’ And the predictable idea the man was far scarier. Um. Hrm. I was a few seconds from being a chicken nugget to a big grizzly when I was a kid. (True, but long story.) These fuckers are insane.For all of those of you bringing up male expectations with Arnold and what not, you’re forgetting that Arnold was not the prerequisite to being an actor. An actor could be chubby and even fat in a lead comedic role. But being skinny was a prerequisite for being an actress. A hideous CHUD like Rodney Dangerfield would be paired with a skinny attractive partner/love interest.
Hell, a woman could even be unattractive like Linda Hamilton and still be a leading actress if they were skinny. Even cartoons like the Simpsons and Family Guy have a fat lead paired with a skinny wife. The only exception I could think of is Roseanne. Skinny was a prerequisite for being an actress.
“unattractive like a Linda Hamilton”
I understand the individual words, but this phrase makes no sense to me.
Ron Perlman was definitely not the Beauty.
Yeah, that makes no sense.
Does not compute.
I would like to thank you for a women’s view on this, Banjos. Your argument sounds very sound to me. I hope the pendulum swings back, but stops somewhere near the “sweet spot” of just being healthy.
Some chubby actors, as supporting/character/comedic roles. Leading men needed to be classically handsome and often shorter than average (see Tom a cruise).
One of the most pointed examples is that Blade Runner era Rutger Hauer was a sex symbol but he didn’t have to be chiseled.
This has now shifted where the marvel guys are on steroids for the physique, so Yay equality I guess but I’d rather go back to not obnoxiously buff.
There was an actress in This is Us that looked like a balloon from the Macy’s parade. And a major spokeswoman against “fat shaming.”. I heard she’s down to 182 pounds. Was she ultimately ashamed of celebrating her land whale physique?
I mean I don’t want to die early. I also don’t want to suffer just to be an old man. I like food. I really like good food. If I can grow it myself. If I can cook it myself. If I can share with the people I love…
Homemade mayonnaise is delicious.
Homemade chicken stock is delicious.
Homemade pasta is delicious.
Homemade bratwurst is delicious.
Homemade sausage is delicious.
Homemade pickles…. not so much
Shut your whore mouth, Cyto – my pickles
bring all the boys to the yardare delicious.Ya I make a killer pickle
*blank, stunned stare of disbelief*
I can offer no advice except eat as best you can, sleep as best you can, exercise/be physically active.
Limit tobacco-drugs, alcohol. Determine what weight you are comfortable with, if the scale reads 5 lbs more than your ideal do something, don’t wait ’til it’s 20 lbs.
At HH on Sunday we had a Class of ’55 reunion, 8 of us. No drinkers/no smokers, no fatties, they are all gone. OTOH none of us are in great shape but life goes on, sort of…
Watch movies from the golden age of Hollywood, both male and female would be skinny/malnourished today. Same with WWII photos (not just Bataan survivors). One of the reasons 70’s WWII movies just don’t look right (Dirty Dozen, Patton, etc), besides too much hair.
Watching The Mad Room with a not so svelte Shelly Winters.
Shelly Winters was never above average attractive.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/frank-sinatra-embraces-shelley-winters-in-a-scene-from-the-news-photo/121644488
You did not change my mind. Above average attractiveness.
MikeS is correct.
LOL Grace Kelly is the yardstick for “above average”?!
I wonder what qualifies as “otherworldly”.
@ rhy
OK, ok, I may have went with the nuclear option. 😜
I’m not saying Shelly wasn’t attractive in her youth, just that so many others are/were also. The youthful glow (and makeup) hides many of the facial features that turn into average or even unattractive features later in life.
As I age, I notice this more an more. Sucks to get old, I guess.
Grace Kelly is too damn icy in High Noon. Katy Jurado, on the other hand, has a smoldering earthiness.
And then there’s Marie Dressler, who was both a beloved star and a sex symbol par excellence.
Curious if anyone has any thoughts on the best peanut butter substitute for someone with a nut allergy.
I’ve seen Wowbutter and may give that a shot. Someone online said Tahini, but then I’m reading its bitter and they aren’t the same. I’ve never had it that I know of.
Being a peanut eating Firster, I have no idea what kind of abominations a seconder would need to accommodate their weakness.
In my benevolence, I take pity on the seconder youths who have never had the peanut.
How about hazelnut?
Follow up: yes, I realize hazelnut is a nut, but since peanuts are not nuts…?
I’m looking to duplicate the taste of peanut butter as closely as possible. Realizing that may not be possible. So while in cooking you could sub hazelnut butter, it’s not really the sub I’m looking for if that makes sense.
Tahini is piquing my curiosity, though I feel like it’s going to be doing down the wrong path as it’s not sweet and savory. Though apparently it is nutty.
Yea, my knowledge of the peanut allergy thing doesn’t go that deep. I guess there are some with general allergies to tree nuts and such.
I do get it. I hope someone has a good answer for you. I suppose it’s a question posed by thousands of people since the explosion of peanut allergies we’ve seen in the last decade or two. Hopefully there is answer out there.
Would not kick out of bed though
Try tahini. It is very good, and pairs well with many things.
You can make nut butter out of any nut, and they all have their good points. I really like cashew butter, but opinions vary. Do they taste like peanut butter? No. But they are well worth exploring.
Is it possible to make tahini into something of a peanut butter substitute? With a little bit of salt and sweetener like honey, maybe?
Forget Ahnold, this ran in the back of Boy’s Life when I was in scouts
https://i.redd.it/i4mivbphbvg91.jpg
Pretty much the same ad ran for forty years. What’s that, three generations or so of men?
I have distinct memories of that ad.
Don’t be a 97lb weakling! Send today for your free book!
Also, close to the ad for X ray glasses.
And sea monkeys
Dynamic Tension!!
The headline photo just screams….its all on the up and up.
Totally normal to be dropping a half-dozen ballots into the box at once.
Where is Axios when we need them to give us their breakdown? Sure…driver could be from the same household and just delivering what could be mailed ballots. Could be a caregiver for Charlie and his bed-ridden family. Could be someone who harvested ballots from fuck all patients. Doesn’t matter…he used his smart phone!
Never change CNN. Baseless? Besides the goalpost shifting, that there’s continuing evidence of both registering non-citizens and them voting.
Let’s see… one party is trying to get illegals voting rights. When confronted with limited evidence (because it’s not investigated) that there is a problem, the response to say everything is fine p, NBD, not we’re going to fix this. And by fix, the same sort of requirements like Real ID that will be required to board a plane. But vote? We don’t need no stinking IDs.
Salon: Tim Burton is racist because he keeps having casts with pasty pale white waifs with sunken eyes. He doesn’t cast black actors.
Also, he is racist because he cast Samuel L Jackson and had black characters in his new movie.
https://www.salon.com/2024/09/15/tim-burtons-use-of-a-soul-train-scene-in-beetlejuice-beetlejuice-was-probably-not-the-best-idea/
Shorter Salon: derp
Remember when Salon and the like were going to be high-brow talking-shops, discussing the important matters of the day from multiple viewpoints?
Yeah, good times while that lasted.
That was over 20 years ago.
I know, I’m just feeling nostalgic for the optimism of that time.
Man, was that misplaced.
The premise started with this
TS2 and S2…thats it? Do no others meet your criteria? Both are fucking animated!
Aliens
Empire
Godfather Part II
Maverick
Nope, those are nothing to write home about.
Wrath of Khan
After the Thin Man
I was singularly unimpressed by Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
Terminator 2
Narcissistic psychopath splits lanes, causes accident. What a shock. Dumbasses with zero situational awareness making the roadways more dangerous.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/1fj6f84/oc_motorcyclist_hit_by_a_car_merging_out_of/
Saw this the other week when traffic stopped for an accident ahead. Fucking road sushi splitting both lanes and shoulder so they wouldn’t be inconvenienced. While emergency vehicles were using that same shoulder to reach and resolve the accident. All fucking Califucktard plates.
Yeah, they legalized lane splitting here in AZ (with some limitations). I think it’s extremely stupid, myself. Like most bad driving, nobody ever seems to ask themselves “how much time am I really saving, here?”, because best case scenario, its gonna be measured in seconds, not minutes and definitely not worth the risks being taken.
The pendulum is not “swinging back” because of any revelation or epiphany…
The change of heart is really just Ozempic.
“Body pride” proclamations by someone 150lbs overweight were driven by “can’t”, not some inner soul preference.
Ozempic apparently makes can’t into can fairly easily…. so the passion for defending a body you can’t change becomes seriously muted.
Happy hump day, y’all!
🐪🌤️
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXH9AbT280
🎶🎶
Morning, Sean.
*waves*
Safe travels, UCS.
Good morning, Sean & U!
Morning.
I have a mild cough I picked up around Honey Harvest, still want me to drop in on my way through Ohio?
Sure! As long as you feel up to it!
Then I’ll stick with our current plan.
I just figured It would be polite to mention before showing up.
Extremely skinny ain’t good, extremely fat ditto; Adjust your diet and your standards accordingly (or don’t, what do I care but don’t try to jam it down other’s throats).
The End
Mornin’, reprobates!
At my last job, I worked with a team of data engineers, about half if them Israeli (all four of my managers over 6 1/2 years). The typical response to a successful implementation was a “boom” emoji in the slack channel. I guess the cell phone thing was inevitable.
It’s time for me to pack up the laptop and hit the road.
Later, glibs.
Happy trails, U.
Just a little tidbit about a guy who seemed to like not-so-skinny chicks.
Mornin’, GT.
I was expecting Tres.
Good morning, ‘patzie! Of course you were! 😁
I’m not much of an art aficionado but the sandwich he invented freaking rules.
😄
This thread is worth reading just to know this still exists
https://x.com/fawnbian/status/1836034129378369861?s=19
people being big dumb in the comments as if the straight men’s attraction to women isn’t rooted in misogyny in some shape or form…..