Tuesday Morning Links

by | Feb 18, 2020 | Daily Links | 632 comments

Also-rans

Daytona ended crazy. I guess the COT did its job here. Yes, it’s made the racing boring as have restrictor plates. But I’m shocked Newman survived this.  And speaking of surviving, I guess Ole Gunnar is gonna survive another week…and now the pressure shifts to Frankie Lampard. Two UCL matches on tap today, with Liverpool-Athletico and PSG-Dortmund.

Not photographed: the idiot that was also singing

The first emperor of a unified China, Qin She Huang was born on this day.  Let’s all celebrate with a bowl of bat soup. And while we’re doing so, let’s recognize the people who share it with him: battery inventor Allesandro Volta, pediatrician Hans Asperger, actor Jack Palance, author every high school kid had to read in February Toni Morrison, bad person Yoko Ono, Styx’s Dennis De Young, filmmaking legend John Hughes, actor John Travolta, TV’s Vanna White, rap legend Dr Dre, and basketball player Andrei “AK-47” Kirilenko.

If you didn’t het a charge out of someone on that list, maybe you will with…the links!

A sad day for scouting

The Boy Scouts of America has filed for bankruptcy protection. They are doing so in hopes of maintaining operations in the face of mounting sexual abuse lawsuits.  What a sad day for scouts everywhere. And the victims of sexual abuse.

Wuhan hospital director dies of coronavirus. But remember, anyone saying the government might have had something to do with developing this is a conspiracy theorist. According to the Chinese government and the NYT.

A Labour Party leadership aspirant decides to alienate half of Great Britain. It’s a bold strategy. Perhaps she can follow it up by saying anyone who supports maintaining the monarchy is a deplorable clinging to their crown. Not that I support a monarchy, I think it’s stupid. But you need to know your audience.

Nancy Pelosi actually makes sense for a change. I mean, if you want to give all your data to China, by all means still use them. Or catch a ride with Dianne Feinstein. Either is as effective as the other.

Chicago city government doesn’t even try to hide the corruption anymore. And if they are trying to hide it, they’re doing a shitty job.

Facts not in evidence

Meanwhile, in San Francisco, the incestuous relationship of city government officials continues apace. I guess Kamala Harris was a trend-setter after all.

Houston, we have a problem…with perverts teaching in our public school system. But compulsory public schooling is a good thing, right government toadies?

I was gone for a while…but not anymore.

Now go have a great day, friends.

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632 Comments

  1. Yusef drives a Kia

    Told ya NASCAR is All American

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Ask Leon….

    • AlexinCT

      CRASH & BURN, BABE!

    • UnCivilServant

      I still want the moonshiner’s run. Score based upon gallons/hour delivered from the still to the speakeasy, no other rules except don’t get caught by the revenuers.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        ^this,

      • Nephilium

        Can we just jump ahead (or back based on the title) to the Transcontinental Road Race?

        /watch the rare movie that has David Carradine get top billing over Sylvester Stallone

      • UnCivilServant

        But deliverin’ shine is racin’s roots.

      • robc

        Cannonball record was broken again last fall.

      • Bobarian LMD

        How many points do I get for running you over?

      • Florida Man

        I would like a series that you don’t know the tracks in advance and can’t change any parts except consumables through the season. One day might be a drag strip, the next an F1 track, the third a dirt rally series. Would make for some interesting and adaptable builds.

      • robc

        You can announce them in advance even, but you have to use the same configuration all season.

      • Florida Man

        That’s fair. Adjustable suspension and engine computer re-flashes are obvious. I’d be excited to see what else they engineer.

      • Brett L

        A CVT that works?

      • robc

        I wonder how many choose to skip the bog race.

      • Florida Man

        I see you’re a Lancia fan.

      • AlexinCT

        I had one of those as a kid….

    • Certified Public Asshat

      Wut

    • cyto

      Adam Carolla has a couple of really good racing documentaries. I watched “Upity: The Willy T. Ribbs Story” when I had the stomach bug last week – it was pretty great. So I took Netflix’s recommendation and watched the Caroll Shelby documentary. Really interesting stuff. Well done documentaries with really good subject matter.

  2. AlexinCT

    Wuhan hospital director dies of coronavirus. But remember, anyone saying the government might have had something to do with developing this is a conspiracy theorist. According to the Chinese government and the NYT.

    I am not the betting type, because I like sure odds, but in this case I am going to bet we eventually find out this fucking thing was bio-engineered. Whuan is where China’s CDC AND military bio weapons development division are located, and it is just freaking crazy that this starts there and is not caught/quelled.

    • R C Dean

      The lab is 100 yards from the infamous wet market, and actually attached to the hospital.

      I’m not saying it’s the ChiComs, but . . .

      • Tonio

        “Wet fish market” sound so nasty.

        I wonder how the hospital/biowarfare complex dispose of their med waste. I have visions of an old-school trash incinerator spewing particles of partially incinerated med waste.

      • UnCivilServant

        I have visions of it being dumped in the river.

      • Bobarian LMD

        The river is already so polluted that it would probably be more effective for destroying bio-hazards.

      • UnCivilServant

        “Look at China’s beautiful blue rivers!”

        “That’s the dye from the blue jeans factory.”

    • invisible finger

      It never would have happened if the only Chinese government would have increased their budget enough. YELLOW MAN BAD!!!

    • Trigger Hippie

      I’m half convinced that this virus was intended to be released in Hong Kong but somebody mishandled it somewhere down the chain.

      *adjusts tin foil hat*

    • Tejicano

      OK, let’s try to argue that China has not been bio engineering viruses. So why is it that we see novel viruses which are highly contagious to humans only coming out of China? SARS, Avian flu, corona virus… If it was just large populations living in high densities and poor hygiene/sanitation why don’t we see similar things from India?

      And the problem isn’t just that they are developing these bugs but their protocols to maintain containment are crap – or possibly, as I’ve heard theorized about this recent contagion, maybe they are just loosing it on their people to give them something to worry about rather than spending their time and energy protesting. Part of that theory is that the PRC leadership either already were vaccinated against it or they had plans in place to keep it regional (which seems to be working so far).

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        It is quite possible that this was not an engineered virus, but that it did escape from containment as it was already under study. I’ll generally buy into incompetence over malice for all governments.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Both

      • R C Dean

        That’s actually my bet.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Hmmmm,
        /Adjusts Mask and tin foil….

      • Not Adahn

        why don’t we see similar things from India?

        Ayurvedic medicine!

        Actually, it’s probably because the Injuns don’t groove on swine.

      • UnCivilServant

        They also eat fewer random animals the rest of the world finds distasteful, and don’t appear to be doing as much bioweapons research.

      • Tejicano

        But they do live with millions of cattle and other animals with free reign of the area.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m only aware of one disease that can pass from cows to people, and it requires eating the cow.

        Parasites, on the other hand, do pass along that cycle – but don’t tend to become pandemic.

      • UnCivilServant

        *I’m willing to hear about more illnesses, but am comparing this to the sheer number of porcine originated virii

      • Not Adahn

        I think there’re some unique biocompatibilities between pigs and people which is why they’re used as hosts for doing xenotransplantation research. That would make them a better vector for zoonosis.

      • AlexinCT

        OK, let’s try to argue that China has not been bio engineering viruses. So why is it that we see novel viruses which are highly contagious to humans only coming out of China? SARS, Avian flu, corona virus…

        First off, totalitarian entities, especially those that ascribe to the militant type of collectivist agendas (communism or fascism) are known to be paranoid and always developing ways to deal with threats to their hold on power, be those domestic or foreign threats, but I think China’s problem with disease goes to the fundamental nature of the other problems created by the Chicomm government. In particular, the problem that China really is two nations. You have a heavily industrialized and growing 2nd/1st world aspect in the urban areas, where something like half a billion people live, surrounded by suburban area s where more than a billion others live in conditions that reflect life back in the 19th century. Those billion people really live some seriously shitty lives and come into contact with wildlife in a way that is prone to generate epidemic level diseases that then get dragged into the urban areas where they go pandemic.

        That having been said, I remind people that it has been Chinese people that were supposedly punished by their government for admitting they were doing all sorts of questionable genetic work. I would not be surprised that this virus is a man made. For all sorts of reasons. There are too many things that seem real hinky about this outbreak that set off my red light and warn me that this is not just nature doing its thing. there are a lot of unverified or unverifiable rumors making their rounds, but I am certain we are not getting the real magnitude and spread of this virus. The fact that the Chicomms chose to so far turn down any and all help from outside and are being very, very flaky about sharing details about what is going on, should raise a red flag for everyone involved.

      • cyto

        There are 3. Not “all of them”. Just 3.

        Influenza strains come from China because of the way the flu genetics work and the way the chinese raise their livestock.

        Influenza has 8 genes. If you were to get infected with 2 different strains of flu, those 8 genes can mix and match, creating a new strain. Flu infects pigs and birds, in addition to people. There are different strains that prefer birds vs pigs vs people, but many can infect more than 1 host. So in China they raise ducks and pigs side by side. And people do the raising.

        So a pig catches a people virus and a bird virus and they mix up some genes and suddenly there’s a novel strain of influenza! Swine Flu baby!!

        Then there’s these coronavirsuses. They seem to be zoonotic infections that cross over and become transmissible in humans. This is also fairly common. That’s how we ended up with Measles.

        There are over a billion people in China. That means there should be at least 3 times as many new infections coming from China as there are from the US, simply based on numbers. More, based on the large rural population.

        And it does seem that new diseases follow rural population size. Look at Africa. Loads of cool infections come out of there. And India. You know, where the people are.

      • Tulip

        Live animal markets. India doesn’t have the same number

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Eh, I’m not in the “engineered virus” camp. Current (Western) genetic studies are showing it came from a bat with an intermediary host before leaping to humans.

      That said, if you want to be freaked out, watch this interview with an epidemiologist from the Imperial College of London. If you think he’s a doomsayer, consider for a moment that it’s the WHO that’s publishing this video.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALQTdCYGISw&feature=youtu.be

      His current estimates are that there are 50,000 new infections per day and that the population of infected is doubling every 5 days with an expected peak in Wuhan in one month and all of China in two to three months.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Shit, I think we should blow the bridges across the Colorado river, just to be sure…..

      • Tonio

        Won’t do jack. All it takes is one infected person arriving by airplane.

        And even if they do some type of symbolic restrictions on entry to the US there will be people who will be allowed to bypass those restrictions. Diplomats (ours, theirs) come to mind.

      • Tejicano

        It seemed too convenient that the Avian flu only had severe effects on people with Han Chinese genes – like somebody had designed it to infect people but the only people they had to work with were Han Chinese. I have also heard anecdotal stories that for most people of European stock the corona virus is little more than a mild cold – we’ll see if that story holds true over time.

      • UnCivilServant

        That does have disturbing implications on the ability to tailor a disease to a target population if true.

      • Tejicano

        I’m not sure it was intentionally tailored but simply that if it was designed to affect people and the only people you were using to design it to affect were Chinese that could explain why it targeted that population.

      • Not Adahn

        Eh, I’m not in the “engineered virus” camp. Current (Western) genetic studies are showing it came from a bat with an intermediary host before leaping to humans.

        …That intermediate host being a CRISPR machine?

      • cyto

        That conspiracy theory doesn’t make much sense at all. As a biowarfare agent, this one sucks. You could engineer influenza a lot easier, as it is much more closely studied, and we know what the virulence factors are. We know very little about coronaviruses by comparison.

        But more than that, there are lots of good bio-agent examples that actually did/do exist. The best was the Soviet Union’s engineered bacterial infection that expressed myelin proteins from a plasmid. It primed the immune system to attack the nerves. It basically was an infectious version of Multiple Sclerosis. Great for biowarfare because it doesn’t kill, it permanently disables, which cripples the adversary’s ability to wage war.

        Smallpox would be another good agent for this sort of research.

        This Wuhan strain? Yeah, not that great as a biological warfare agent.

      • UnCivilServant

        That only argues against an intentional release. If you don’t know a lot about an agent, you need to study it, see what advantages if offers over something better known to your enemies.

      • Not Adahn

        Iz joke.

        However, it would be very interesting if if it were the case (and I wouldn’t know, I haven’t done any gene splicing since the early ’90s) that this virus showed alterations in way that couldn’t be done since we don’t have the correct nucleases to make it happen. (Like I said, it may be that no such limitation exists today)

      • cyto

        Yeah, me too. We must have walked the same path. I spent a bunch of time designing an oligonucleotide to do a site directed mutation. It cost a fortune, and the thing was only 8 bases long. Then you had to do a bunch of snipping, unzipping, annealing and repair to hopefully alter a few plasmids and get them back into a cell in good working condition.. then figure out if you made the change you wanted. Tons of work..

        I believe CRISPER fixes all of that. No more polylinkers and restriction sites…. just custom design your target template and it makes the change only in that spot, with no off-target changes. As near as makes no difference magic, if you went back and told us in 1991.

        As to the tech… they have the thing fully sequenced. (also amazing. You’d have gotten a whole PhD project out of that back in the day) So they should know the lineage with absolute certainty.

        And you wouldn’t crossover a half chromosome if you were building a bioweapon. You’d insert a gene or sequence designed to confer a really nasty virulence. Preferably a non-lethal one that completely incapacitates but still allows contagion.

    • Drake

      My local conspiracy guy at the gym was telling me how the virus is most deadly to Asian males, half as lethal to Asian females, and not usually lethal to Europeans. Sounds crazy, but that how it seems to be playing out. Maybe the Chinese were trying to correct that male / female imbalance they created with selective abortions.

      There are cases now in Africa, if this virus isn’t race-specific, it will run through there like wildfire. (Which was the theme of a story in a recent There Will Be War collection)

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        My estimation is that the Africans, being a somewhat superstitious lot, will be the first to use violence against Han Chinese in an effort to protect themselves.

      • Tonio

        Apparently the Chinese are doing a lot of “development projects” in Africa.

      • UnCivilServant

        And are quite nasty employers from the reports.

        Makes me wonder how many people are thinking “I miss whitey.”

      • Drake

        I would be tempted to watch videos of meetings between Chinese and Africans. They must annoy each other to no end and neither is shy about their racism.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Yes, they’re buying ports and mines.

        But they still have to deal with the African governments and peoples, and are at risk for being treated as the “other”. Rwanda wasn’t that long ago, and even now, a significant portion of Africans don’t believe AIDs is caused by HIV.

      • AlexinCT

        I have it from a reliable Kenyan, Ghanan, and Nairobian, that the cure for AIDS is to rape a young woman.

      • UnCivilServant

        Eh, the native diseases in Africa will beat up Wuhan and take its lunch money.

      • Not Adahn

        And use parts of their protein coat as spell components?

      • UnCivilServant

        Wuhan isn’t an albino virus.

      • cyto

        I double dog dare you to go design a disease that is sex selective against males from scratch. Go ahead… figure out how to do that one.

        Entirely implausible.

        As is the selectivity for only asian males. Kinda silly, in fact.

        And even if you posit that you have such a marker and you’ve found a way to target your virus to that marker…. you wouldn’t pick this virus to deliver it. You’d want something much easier to spread, and with much higher fatality rates. Something like an airborne aids virus would be perfect.

      • UnCivilServant

        Virus, I’m not so sure. Maybe a bacterium that reproduces more aggressively in an environment with higher testosterone levels.

        /not a bioengineer.

        As for why the asians are harder hit by these respiratory ailments it’s not the viruses – it’s the air pollution and the higher number of smokers. Their repiratory tracts are already damaged, making the ailments more dangerous to them.

      • Jarflax

        I would think if you wanted to engineer a targeted bio-weapon you’d start with Influenza or smallpox. They have the chops to spread rapidly and broadly. Aids is so bad at spreading it effectively requires injection into the bloodstream.

      • cyto

        So you cross the aids virus with genes from nematacysts in jellyfish, see.. So then when you are infected you grow these harpoon cells all over your skin. So any time you come close to another person, stinging cells shoot out and infect them……

        Its really obvious, once you think about it.

      • UnCivilServant

        Well, if you corrupt hair follicles…

      • Ted S.

        Hemophilia.

        To be fair, you said “disease”, not “virus”. :-p

      • cyto

        Not infectious. It is something you are born with. So in that, it is like hair color. f

        But if you wanted to target a group, you could design a viral vector for the gene and hand-inoculate people from that group.

        Not terribly useful as a biological agent though.

    • Tejicano

      I just heard the news that three people in Tokyo have been diagnosed with it. So now it’s jumped the Chinese border.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      We’re only beginning to see the economic impacts from the virus. It’s going to get ugly.

      The rate for the capsize oil tankers has plunged below zero because of the plunge in oil use. I’m guessing that they’re picking up cargo for the return trip. Apple’s supply chain is royally fucked for the foreseeable future, as it is for any number of global manufacturers,

      • Nephilium

        Nintendo has also reported supply issues with their hardware, and it’s definitely impacting the computer world as well.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I expect the Japanese manufacturers, specifically auto makers, will be hit first. The US will be carrying more inventory, but will still feel the shortages.

        The Chinese economy was well overdue for a meltdown, and this will probably do it.

      • Tonio

        I’m wondering what they could haul in those bunkers. Would be a lot of effort to clean out the crude oil. Practicality would say fill them with seawater but then you’d have millions of gallons of contaminated seawater.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        I don’t know. But I know someone who does. He used to work for BP and wrote his thesis on international oil logistics. I’ll see what I can find out.

      • UnCivilServant

        They have to haul something after making a delivery. I’d be shocked if they’d run them empty.

      • Bobarian LMD

        In the case of US delivery, we have a significant refinery capability and export refined products back out to the world.

      • UnCivilServant

        I get runs going back and forth between a refining and extracting country.

        But what about when a tanker takes refined goods to a country that has no petrochemical production capacity?

  3. R C Dean

    “We dated for a brief time, two decades ago, long before I ever ran for office”

    Bullshit. You don’t hold a presser about a few dates 20 years ago. Guarantee she was banging him a lot more recently, and a lot more than $5K changed hands. Pure damage control.

    Why she bothers is a mystery. She’s the mayor of SF. I doubt anyone is surprised, or cares, that she’s a corrupt hack.

    • Fourscore

      Any money changing hands came from the public coffers, in all likelihood.

      “I’m not using my own money to bribe someone, that would be a payment for services”

      /bonus payer

  4. robc

    Premier League breakdown (its changed!):

    Champions tier: Liverpool – magic # is 15 pts, just give them the freakin title.

    Champions League tier:
    Manchester City
    Leicester City

    Fighting for 2!?! CL spots tier:
    Chelsea
    Tottenham
    Sheffield United
    Manchester United

    High Tweeners tier:
    Wolverhampton
    Everton

    Low Tweeners tier:
    Arsenal
    Burnley

    Should be safe tier:
    Southampton
    Newcastle United
    Crystal Palace

    Relegation Figher (2 spots) tier:
    Brighton & Hove Albion
    Bournemouth
    Aston Villa
    West Ham United
    Watford

    Gonna be relegated tier:
    Norwich City

    The next 4 matches determine where Everton will be:

    1. Fight for CL (9-12 pts)
    2. Fight for Europa (6-8)
    3. Solid mid table (3-5)
    4. Freefall (0-2)

    2 & 3 seem most likely with 4 not out of the question. I am still holding out hope for 1.

    • sloopyinca

      With Man City out of Europe, I think Everton still have an outside chance of the UCL. They also need to hope City win the League Cup in a couple weeks and open up that other UEL slot at the top of the table. Let’s not forget that.

      • robc

        Oh, I havent. I was going to mention the race for 8th, but it might be 7th if Villa wins.

        And I am not convinced ManCity is out just yet, the appeal might work (or it might get them extra bannination).

      • sloopyinca

        Oh, I havent. I was going to mention the race for 8th, but it might be 7th if Villa wins.

        I think a max of 7 teams can qualify for Europe. And with one tied to the FA Cup and one the League Cup, it’s still a race for sixth at this point. I guess City could still pull another cup double, but I’d still be chasing sixth if I was everybody else.

      • robc

        Yes, max 7, but with MC out, that makes 8th the theoretical last spot. If MC can beat AV and anyone in the top 8 wins the FA Cup, that opens it up to spot 8 for Europa.

      • robc

        I asked for your prediction on the next 4 on a thread last week, give you a chance to redeem yourself for your only semi-good picks previously.

        @Arsenal, ManU, @Chelsea, Liverpool.

      • sloopyinca

        They’ll go DDWLW over their next 5 matches. I threw Norwich in the mix for the extra 3 points.
        8 from that stretch seems like a decent run.

      • sloopyinca

        Whoever drew up that schedule sure hates Everton.

      • robc

        Yes. The same people who hire the refs.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      I planned on asking if you still thought Chelsea had 4th locked up, but news this morning is Son Heung-Min broke his arm 🙁
      (played the entire game Sunday basically with it broken, scoring twice, which is bad ass at least).

      • sloopyinca

        Did he break it as bad as the guy’s leg he broke earlier this year with that incredibly reckless tackle? If not, then justice wasn’t served.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        That was not a reckless tackle, it was a poor challenge but Gomes hurts himself on the way down when he contacts Aurier. The red was bullshit, which is why it was rescinded.

      • robc

        Gomes played a practice match this week, he may be back soon.

  5. R C Dean

    Confident assertion: Nancy is bagging on Huawei to leverage under the table money from the ChiComs. Since when does she give a crap about the national security of Europe?

    • cyto

      It shows that our politicians know where their bread is buttered. Everyone is joining in on this sales pitch, regardless of party affiliation.

  6. hayeksplosives

    ~yawn~

    Oh, the mourning lynx so soon? Time flies when you’re studying the inside of your eyelids….

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Good Morning! Did I tell you I despise my Brother?
      with good reason….

      • hayeksplosives

        No, I don’t recall a brother problem. I know your daughter is being helpful and your son is in the brooding Norse mythology phase but that’s pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

        Hang in there.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I was talking to my Cousin, and said something about our Granpa, she’s like” that’s funny considering he’s dead,”
        He passed 18 months ago, no one told me until yesterday, and it was HIS JOB to tell me…..
        He also is a known jerk…

      • Tejicano

        I am really sorry to hear that, Bob. Particularly at this time for you. You have my sympathies and my prayers.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        OTOH, My cousin Cass is coming to visit for a while, and go to Vegas with me that one last time,
        We are old friends
        I’m going to climb back up and be alright,
        Thank you

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        Same thing happened with my great aunt. She and I were close, but I was living 1000 miles away when she passed. I knew she was declining, and then just stopped hearing about her from my mom and grandma.

        Eventually I asked one of my aunts and she told me that my great aunt had passed 6 months earlier. My relationship with that side of the family wasnt the smoothest before that incident, but it has taken me years to forgive them for that one.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        We are a very small family, maybe 25 Lozonnes in the world, So it’s kind of crappy to not tell me,

      • Nephilium

        Seems pretty big to me. At last count, there’s about half a dozen males in the US with my last name. Up until my younger sister got pregnant as a teenager, there was quite a bit of pressure on me to get married and have a kid to pass along the name (and a stupid naming tradition).

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I believe it’s just me and my 2 brothers carrying on the family name now. Maybe there are some distant cousins that I dont know about, but expanding out to 2nd cousins, there are no other men to carry on the name. I count 9 with our family name, and that includes two ex wives who didn’t bother to get remarried, a bachelor great uncle in his 70s, and my 2 year old.

      • Tejicano

        My surname is one of the most common in the English language. I couldn’t even eradicate it if I had an army to help me.

        But the truth is that it was adopted by my German immigrant great-grandfather. And after two world wars the family back in northern Germany lost so many sons that in my generation there are only about four males left on either side of the Atlantic to keep the line going.

        Maybe my two boys will make the effort to keep it going.

      • Tundra

        My surname is relatively uncommon, but easy to trace back to the Norman invasion. Lots of males in Scotland, US and Canada, so it’s not going anywhere soon.

      • banginglc1

        My father is 1 of four boys and his father was one of four boys . . .so far no one from that line has passed o. The family name.

      • C. Anacreon

        My son is the only son of an only son of an only son of an only son. So the pressure is now on him to carry on the family name, as it was for three generations before him. Not that it’s such a great surname, though.

  7. Tundra

    Good morning, Sloopy. And welcome back.

    Holy shit was that a nasty crash. I don’t follow NASCAR so I can’t give an opinion of the boringness of the new cars, but they appear to be impressively safe. I hope the dude recovers.

    Regarding the Scouts, it seems that every organization turns to shit over time. 110 years was a good run. I think it’s time to appropriate some culture and bring back Indian Guides (which was cooler, anyway).

    Excellent song. One of the first albums I ever bought was Live! Bootleg. Played the hell out of that record. Here’s another good one.

    Have a productive and profitable day!

    • invisible finger

      It’s a dry run to see if the left can sue any organization they don’t like out of existence.

      • UnCivilServant

        That’s the scientology playbook.

      • Tonio

        Except this isn’t about wokeness, this is about actual cases of molestation.

      • LemonGrenade

        Yeah, I was reading one of the articles about the bankruptcy and thinking to myself, “what a bummer to see such a great organization dragged down through the mud like that,” up until I got to the part where they admitted they’d allowed known abusers to serve in leadership positions, and then the hubby (an Eagle and former scoutmaster) and I were both, “well, fuck those guys.” It’s sad to see what Scouts has become (both Girl and Boy), but the institutional rot has gotten too deep and I’m not sure they can recover.

      • Tonio

        The real problem was that people were in denial about sexual abuse and exploitation of children and teens — as in they didn’t believe it happened “here” wherever here was. And being in denial they didn’t realize that positions (paid or otherwise) such as scoutmaster or youth pastor were magnets for the wrong sort of people. Then there was also the reluctance to hold those organizations accountable for covering things up. Protestant denominations are also struggling with this, too.

      • LemonGrenade

        I think any large organization with youth oriented programs does and will.

      • The Last American Hero

        They also don’t have the deep pockets that a school district has.

      • A Leap at the Wheel

        You can’t destroy the BSA by cutting off the head. The BSA is pretty uniquely modular and republican. You could wipe national off the face of the map, and you’d still have thousands of local troops, packs, and crews running the program with 0 support from national. Just like they are now!

        The only thing that national does for me is keep an insurance policy in place and ensure that Eagle really meet the requirements. 99.98% of the camps are run by District level organizations that are smaller than the size of most states. All the programming is done by local organizations. All the instructions and rules for running the local organization are widely published and pretty easy to implement by anyone with an interest in doing so.

    • Tonio

      Campfire International has infrastructure in place. They’ve been gender-integrated for decades.

      • The Last American Hero

        The lack of integration is better. I want them separate so the boys will learn to take leadership and responsibility. Girls that age will overrun the leadership of any organization and the boys won’t step up unless they have to.

        Boys also act differently when girls aren’t around.

      • Tonio

        And I totally agree with you about that, but try selling that in today’s world. All-girl spaces are fine, all-boy spaces are inherently patriarchal and exclusive.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        The surfeit of single gender spaces in our society is a much larger issue than appears at first glance. I don’t doubt that it’s one of the factors driving this push to be non-binary

    • pistoffnick

      “…Indian Guides (which was cooler, anyway)”

      My name when we participated was “Bewildered Moose”. I still feel kind of bewildered.

    • Tejicano

      “…bring back Indian Guides…”

      Yeah, I suppose they can’t all be IT geeks or Naan cooks.

      • Tonio

        [golf clap]

        Dammit, I miss Injun.

    • banginglc1

      Many years ago (he’s been dead for 30 years), my grandfather raised millions of dollars for the scouts. He was a fundraiser for non profit groups. I’m assuming based on 2020 prog logic that this makes me responsible.

      Fun fact: he also raised all of the money for the pro football Hall of Fame in Canton.

    • Chipwooder

      The Y has finally removed the remaining Indian bits of Guides/Princesses. They took Indian out of the name years ago, but now changed “tribes” to “circles”, made them all pick new names, took all the pseudo-Indian stuff (“the Great Spirit”, etc) out of the ceremonies, and so on. My daughter went from the Navajo tribe to the InTentCity (I voted for something else but lost) circle.

  8. Rebel Scum

    abolish the monarchy

    That’s SO 1776…

      • Florida Man

        1619 is when history and slavery began.

      • UnCivilServant

        *pfft* Irrelevent date.

      • Shirley Knott

        What’s 1066, chopped liver?

      • Not Adahn

        There was a major comet then, which caused the downfall of the British monarch.

  9. Brett L

    Re: That picture: Look at those wily Koch brothers, engineering a crash so their logo would draw attention!

  10. hayeksplosives

    Regarding the monarchy in Britain, “know your audience” is right. These discussions will turn serious upon the death of Elizabeth Ii, but she is still loved for now.

    I have a meme pic that shows Yoko Ono on one panel saying. “I broke up the Beatles.” The next panel is a smirking Meghan Markle saying “Hold my beer.”

    • Tonio

      Yeah, Charles not so much. And he’ll probably be the last traditional monarch. William is deliberately leading a low-key life much like the other surviving European royalty.

      At one time I thought Charles would serve briefly then abdicate, but now I think he’ll hang on to the bitter end. Camilla wants to be queen, or at least Princess. HRH instead of HH.

      • hayeksplosives

        I kinda hope for the Wueen to outlive Charles.

        Years ago he was at the memorial service of one of the continental roysls. Charles Told the new king (to his face) that he was lucky to be ascending to the monarchy so young.

        It was correctly perceived as “aww, c’mon and die already, Mum!”

        Despicable.

    • Tonio

      Harry is pretty much irrelevant given his low odds of ascending to the throne. He could probably live a more normal life in Canada. She’s also irrelevant as she’s already punched the woke ticket for the House of Windsor.

    • banginglc1

      /crinkles tin foil

      I’m assuming Meghan and Harry are headed to this continent as a secret plan to win back America into the British empire.

    • cyto

      Given a choice, Beatles or Royal family… if there is anyone here who picks “Royal Family”…..

      ….well….

      Just don’t.

      The Royals are basically The Kardashians, only 300 years later when everyone has forgotten how they got famous in the first place. The Beatles were a pop band. That’s way more important.

      • Mad Scientist

        Unlike the Beatles, the royals can at least be entertaining.

    • Gadfly

      I think it would be a mistake for the UK to dump their monarchy, at least without radically changing the form of their government. As it stands they already have too much centralized power, what with the House of Commons essentially running parliament and the PM essentially serving as both chief executive and chief legislator. At least with a monarch the PM has to pay lip service to someone who is theoretically more powerful, which injects at least a dash of humility into the office. If they want to go full Republic, they need to separate the positions of chief executive and chief legislator, and elect a President.

  11. Rebel Scum

    But I’m shocked Newman survived this.

    Hamlin wrecked him.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      That’s circle track racin’, nothing more,
      “I was just trying to rattle his cage”

    • Brett L

      Eh. Hamlin had the speed, the guy tried to block him twice. If Newman had more speed, Hamlin couldn’t have bumped him that hard.

      • cyto

        I think Hamlin bumped him because he either got bumped or got loose on his own as they were heading into the turn. It doesn’t take much of a bump at a 200mph turn-in to spin you out.

      • SDF-7

        I think Hamlin bumped Blaney — Blaney then got loose and bumped Newman.

        But yeah — I don’t really blame Hamlin for it (though I do think he and Logano are overly prone to taking out other drivers). It did look like a racing incident.

        I *do* think it was very uncool to do the fist bump and donuts routine when another driver or drivers is in a major wreck and their status isn’t known yet. You just come off as an uncaring, egotistical schmuck — and that’s about what I think of Hamlin at the moment. Call him Chick Hicks and move on, I suppose.

      • cyto

        Yeah, Joe Gibbs addressed that. Apparently they had no idea it was so serious…. He looked like he’d just swallowed a june bug when he addressed the press after being told.

        Racing has really changed. I mentioned the Carolla docs upthread… they drive home the point that racing used to be dangerous. Not “pretty dangerous” like it was when Earnhardt got killed. But like a handful of guys die at LeMons every year kind of dangerous. Crazy dangerous.

        It really underscores how safe things have become with today’s technology and safety focus. That was a horrific crash, and “nobody knew it was serious”.

    • robc

      Rubbin is racin.

      • Florida Man

        Damn. Now I want to watch days of thunder. Then again, I want to watch it most days.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        it’s corny, but fun as hell, I like Tom Cruise, he’s a pretty good actor

      • Florida Man

        I really enjoy Robert Duval movies, lonesome dove is one of my favorites.

      • Chipwooder

        Corny, yes, but young Nicole Kidman was a knockout, Robert Duvall was great, and the racing scenes were really well done.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        She was dynamite.

        Now she’s a wax-figure ghoul.

      • Rebel Scum

        Talladega Nights.

      • Florida Man

        Also a good movie.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Speed, the Ron Howard movie,
        1976, Nikki Lauda vs. James Hunt

      • RAHeinlein

        Rush?

      • cyto

        Greased Lightning.

        1970’s Richard Pryor.

    • sloopyinca

      Agreed Hamlin got Blaney out of shape and there was nothing Blaney could do.
      Also, can we dedicate at least a little space to discuss how Logano can’t seem to go to a track without causing an accident that ruins a lot of people’s day? That dude simply can’t drive for shit.

      There is a simple fix to the super speedway wrecks though: get rid of restrictor plates. Let the drivers run as hard as they feel they can run instead of creating engines that put them in huge packs of people drafting.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Flatten the spoiler angle and You have a deal,

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        There is a simple fix to the super speedway wrecks though: get rid of restrictor plates. Let the drivers run as hard as they feel they can run instead of creating engines that put them in huge packs of people drafting.

        After watching the crash that precipitated the restrictor plates and then watching Newman’s crash, I don’t think that there’s much of a case for keeping restrictor plates.

      • dorvinion

        Really think its sort of impossible to fix by changing the cars alone.

        Without the restrictor plate they’d easily be going 215+ during the race.
        The catch fence on the front stretch is already hard pressed to keep cars out of the stands at the speeds they run now.

        Even changing the track is probably not enough.

        If Michigan is any guide, if you took 10 degrees out of the banking they’d still turn laps of 210+ at Daytona and Talladega w/o restrictor plates.

    • Drake

      I thought Blaney wrecked him?

      • R C Dean

        Nah. That’s racing. Tried to block, didn’t have the speed, didn’t get out of the way in time.

  12. Tundra

    This may have been covered yesterday, but it makes my blood boil so you get to read it again.

    Government seizes veteran’s guns in red flag law mix-up

    “So I said, ‘I’m guilty until I prove myself innocent? That’s why I’m here, trying to show its not me.’ And [the clerk’s] like, ‘Since you‘re here, you’ve been served. Here’s your restraining order,’” he explained.

    To resolve the matter, he wound up having to connect with someone at the sheriff’s office “who helped him get the injunction dismissed and called the state to get his firearms license reinstated,” according to WTVT.

    But even that took ages.

    “They said they process it in the order it was received and it takes 6-8 weeks. I was like, ‘So you can suspend it in one day, instantly, but for somebody else’s mistake, I’ve got to wait 6-8 weeks?’” Carpenter called.

    Yep …

    This is the one to fight. None of the other bans and fuckery will work, but this one will absolutely.

    • hayeksplosives

      I hate this as well.

      Add in a hypothetical; a man gets a red flag warning placed against him by an ex spouse. But he’s a gun owner and is now remarried to a woman who has guns of her own.

      What happens next? ALL guns in the household are forfeit, even those of innocent and previously uninvolved new spouse.

      The law intends to make gun ownership so inconsistent that many will say “not worth it.”

      Fuck off, slavers.

      • hayeksplosives

        Inconvenient, not inconsistent

    • Tonio

      And it’s difficult to get people to think rationally about this. “If it saves one woman/child from violence…”

      • Tundra

        Rubio and others like him began advocating for red flag laws after the 2018 mass shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland by a deranged shooter who’d escaped scrutiny left 17 dead, including a large number of underage kids.

        This is absolute garbage! “Escaped scrutiny”?!? Every fucking administrator at the school and most of the Sheriff’s dept. knew this kid was a fucking menace.

        Rubio is a cunte.

      • kbolino

        Going after all guns directly is too aggressive. Going after all gun owners directly is too aggressive. Enough of the voting public will balk. But scapegoat some individuals and punish them with impunity? Now, that’ll get support over 50%.

        We didn’t get the mess of government we have out of nowhere.

      • cyto

        MSD is a crazy pill down here.

        It isn’t totally his fault. You’d have to be here to understand.

        We just had the anniversary the other day. All Broward County schools had no academics allowed. It is officially designated as a day of service. You are supposed to do community service and reflect on the loss at MSD. Every school has a big #MSD STRONG banner. School closed early on the day as well.

        In my view, this is nuts. Just as nuts as treating some kid who just so happened to be at the school the day the shooting happened as if he were some hero with transcendent knowledge and insight. Probably more so.

        I really don’t understand #MSD STRONG either. “We are MSD Strong!” It sounds goofy at best. “Hey! A bunch of people got shot at our school! We’re STRONG!”

        I get that people need to buoy their courage to move on…. but this seems kinda the opposite. It feels like wallowing.

        But I’m of a different mindset than most. I was annoyed that they didn’t build the World Trade Center back on the site of the twin towers, instead leaving two holes. That felt an awful lot like “letting the terrorists win” to me.

        This is the same thing. Some elementary school 45 minutes away from Parkland doesn’t really need to observe a day of service in memory of some high school kids every year. It doesn’t help them with their grief. It only traumatizes them.

        But that’s the world that Rubio is living in right now. Not having some sort of “do something” is an untenable position in south Florida right now. I am pretty much the only person who would articulate the thoughts I just did in this area. I’m a distant outlier. Everyone else is all in on anything #MSD Strong.

      • UnCivilServant

        I was annoyed that they didn’t build the World Trade Center back on the site of the twin towers, instead leaving two holes. That felt an awful lot like “letting the terrorists win” to me.

        The proper replacement would be to rebuild them visually identical but as strong as we can make them.

      • Jarflax

        I’d have built them back as a giant Crusader Cross with a superimposed Star Of David. But then I am not nice.

      • Ozymandias

        I am 100% with you. I fucking hate victimhood culture; we’re all supposed to derive our worth from whatever tragedy we’ve suffered and wear it like a badge everywhere we go so we can participate in this giant, world victimhood olympics. It’s fucking sick. Seriously – it is a form of mental illness, plain and simple.
        You are not the worst thing that ever happened to you. Grow up. Evolve. Transcend. That’s what you’re here for.

      • Ozymandias

        Read Victor Frankl for God’s sake and shut the fuck up.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Exactly this. A million times over.

      • cyto

        Which is why we have self isolated here. The rest of the world has decided that it is better to cry over spilled milk.

      • Mad Scientist

        It’s collectivism as usual. Stick people in groups. Make meaningless inferences. Blame your personal failings on the outgroup.

      • kbolino

        Nothing says modernity like a return to chivalry and feudal obligations.

      • WTF

        The only thing that could possibly stop this is if a case gets to SCOTUS and they slap it down as depriving a constitutional right without due process. But I won’t hold my breath.

      • kbolino

        Have any of the no-knock wrong-door raids resulted in so much as a rebuke from SCOTUS?

      • Tundra

        Nope. Just some new professionalism.

        (Burn in hell, Scalia)

      • WTF

        They also let stand the ruling by the 3rd circuit that New Jersey’s prohibition against bearing arms does not burden the right to bear arms.

      • kbolino

        I’d say they treat the 2A worse than the other Amendments, but honestly they’ve been on a tear lately of disrespecting the entire Bill of Rights.

      • Tonio

        Hey, the Third is still holding strong!

      • leon

        Only because the Government hasn’t had a need to rip it to shreds.

      • Nephilium

        Tonio: You sure about that?

      • hayeksplosives

        Yeah, protect women by taking away the one physical equalizer they have vs men with bad intentions.

        Sounds legit.

      • Not Adahn

        Don’t worry, we’re working on eliminating sexual dimorphism. I was walking behind a coworker in a parka, and when they took it off I was surprised that it was a guy (new college grad). Apparently they’ve been taught to walk like women.

      • Gadfly

        Don’t worry, we’re working on eliminating sexual dimorphism.

        That would only work if women found it attractive, which I suspect is not the case. If anything, I expect dimorphism to increase as the more effeminate males fail to propagate their genes.

      • cyto

        Ok, this actually brings up a cogent point.

        I used to work with people who do research on mating selection in primates. Your idea directly relates to what I learned from them.

        Humans follow a distinctive pattern in mating. Females will select a mate that is a provider. Someone to provide a nest for the kids. A safe spouse. This is universal, across all cultures.

        Then, after a kid or two, they’ll suddenly seek out other mates. Alpha male types. Bad providers. Good warriors. So as to not keep all their eggs in one basket. It is a biological strategy. It is universal across cultures. They did genetic testing on children in societies where paternity tests were not available and confirmed the parentage patterns. Whether it was a strictly monogamist society, or a more sexually tolerant society made essentially no difference.

        This is what we describe as the 7 year itch. It is a biological trigger. ( so no, wives.. it isn’t necessarily true that “he’s not romantic any more”. Odds are that your perception has changed. Because you are an animal operating on instinct)

        So, back to your point. In today’s world, who breeds? People have 1 or 2 kids. Those are the husband’s kids. The provider. The safe guy.

        At least, that’s what happens in the middle-upper class part of society.

        But what happens in the trailer park? She gets knocked up without getting married. To a bunch of loser alpha types who can’t hold jobs and don’t stick around.

        So we are probably selecting fairly heavily in two divergent directions.

        And one more thing…. there is an experiment in Russia (I think Russia) to domesticate foxes. It took 10 generations of selecting for simply being more tolerant of a human approaching to create a fox that is very similar to a dog. Wags tail, rolls over to get belly scratched, licks your face….. friendly and loving. 10 generations.

        That’s not very long at all.

        Same experiment… selected for the opposite as a control. Less tolerant of humans are bred. 10 generations on they have a viscous and aggressive animal that will attack anything.

      • Not Adahn

        Ten generations is the length of time Tammany Hall was in charge of NY. That explains a lot.

      • Gadfly

        Fox-Dog experiment found in this NOVA

        Thanks for the link.

      • Nephilium

        I’ll usually go on the offensive once the “If it save one…” argument comes up. Start pointing out the hobbies/activities/passtimes that they enjoy that can be dangerous (which of course is everything).

      • Not Adahn

        swimming pools kill more kids than “assault weapons” do.

      • Nephilium

        Home cooking, camping, cycling, sports, etc…

      • Jarflax

        The thing is most men would not need a gun to kill a woman or child. The woman or child needs the gun to stop the man. Red flag laws don’t even help with the exaggerated problem used to justify them.

      • AlexinCT

        I don’t think the difficulty is in making people think rationally, but that the gun grabbers are all out to make sure they don’t have to worry about/deal with the unwashed rubes with guns they want to lord it over. This is not about safety or saving lives, unless it is about the safety and life saving efforts of the people that need a disarmed populous to prevent said populous from rising up against them and their freedom robbing agendas.

    • PieInTheSky

      Just seize all guns and no more mix-ups.

      • Tejicano

        I wasn’t aware that vampires could be short-statured, gnarly-faced imps who live under bridges.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        ooooooo,
        I feel the heat from here,

    • Tejicano

      And there is no Effing reason why, once it is proven beyond a doubt that it was mistaken identity, they cannot return the guns in 24 hours. If they have administrative problems with this then they have to change those processes. I totally expect the reason why it takes 6 to 8 weeks is so the case leaves the media spotlight so they can drag their feet even longer.

      IFF there was a real reason for these red flag laws there should be a caveat that states people who file false claims be punished to the same extent and duration that the accused would have faced.

    • Rebel Scum

      Guilty until proven innocent.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      That’s a great Vid! makes me feel young…..

    • Tundra

      Great clip! He shares a birthday with Spawn 2 – I just forwarded her the video.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Happy Birthday to Spawn #2!

    • egould310

      My friend Helen turned 50 today.

  13. Rebel Scum

    The 20 Best Movies of the 1980s

    I don’t care for most of these. But one movie is conspicuously missing from this list.

    • Brett L

      Wolverines!

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Terminator
      Full metal Jacket
      too many others, that list was 50% BS

      • cyto

        I gotta agree.

        And there’s one that nobody else is gonna say… but I claim it is perfection!

        They Live!

        That is B-movie perfection. It really doesn’t get any better.

        Oh, and The Princess Bride.

        Come to think of it, there are a lot of great 80’s movies.

    • Rebel Scum

      Actually, now that I think about it, many are missing.

    • Florida Man

      Aliens?

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Scarface!

    • Rhywun

      Zardoz is from the 70s.

      • UnCivilServant

        Well, yeah, filmmakers had switched to cocaine by the 80s, and the sorts of psychadelics that made that film fell out of vogue.

    • PieInTheSky

      Duelul (1981)

    • egould310

      Jaws 3-D

    • Not Adahn

      Platoon isn’t even the best Vietnam movie of the ’80s. It’s probably the most overrated though.

      I am impressed that they put the best move of the 1980s on that list though. Blind squirrel can find a stopped clock and all that.

      • Brett L

        Similarly, Bull Durham is the far superior baseball movie, followed by Major League.

      • cyto

        You know what that makes you!?!?

        Lollygaggers!

      • Chipwooder

        My f-i-l was a Marine infantryman in Vietnam. His opinion is that Platoon absolutely nailed the little details – what they looked like, how they lived, what being on patrol and ambush was like – but sucked when it came to the big picture. Now, I do realize that it’s probably true that the average vet will feel compelled to sanitize his experiences, but he kept saying that most of it wasn’t true. Not that there weren’t atrocities, but that they weren’t common. “We didn’t go around murdering old women and raping young girls” His point was that the life of a combat grunt was complex, and Platoon made it cartoon like. They did get frustrated not knowing who the enemy was, and sometimes it made them hate the Vietnamese peasants…..but at other times they felt very protective towards them, especially the kids. They were caught between wanting to help them, not often being able to because it was an asymmetrical guerilla war, and the stupid way the war was being directed by unseen high ranking officers who they believed had no idea what they were doing. The Vietnam body counts were the absolutely dumbest thing ever emphasized in modern warfare.

    • Tejicano

      You gatta be kiddin’ me??!?? Tootsie (barely remember it) and Wings of Desire (never saw it) are on that list? I was 20 when the 70’s ended and those two movies wouldn’t make my list of “movies that ______” (fill in the blank with anything positive you can come up with). Those two never had any impact on anybody nor anything. First Blood or Full Metal Jacket had bigger impacts across the board than Platoon if I have to pick just one 80’s Vietnam movie (Platoon hit harder with those who protested the war than those who actually lived it).

      • Not Adahn

        I’m amazed they put Tootsie on there too. Talk about transphobia!

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Any list that doesn’t include The Thing is worthless.

      • Rhywun

        ^this

      • cyto

        Can’t argue with that

    • UnCivilServant

      You know what’s going to make me sound old? I can take a random year anywhere from 1960 to 2000, and probably find a raft of films I could objectively argue as being ‘good’, but for more recent year, It’d be increasingly hard to find something I’d even want to expend the time to watch.

      • cyto

        They quit making the mid-range accessible movies. Now we either get $100 million blockbuster or we get Oscar bait.

        There’s no room for a Major League or Bull Durham.

        And they’ve forgotten how to make a romantic comedy. I love a good romantic comedy. Like Bringing up Baby with Carey Grant and Katherine Hepburn. Hollywood followed that sort of model for decades, right up through Sleepless in Seattle and When Harry Met Sally….

        Then suddenly they changed to the modern model like “The Wedding Planner” and “Sweet Home Alabama” (those are the good ones, actually). The new model has a woman on the verge of marriage. The guy is rich and everyone likes him. But she meets some new guy who is also rich, but more down to earth and super handsome. So she abandons her fiance at the alter and runs off with the new guy. I hate that movie. And pretty much every Rom-Com I’ve seen in the last 20 years follows that script.

        So that’s out.

        And then there’s the comedy. I thought we had a revival on our hands with 40 year old virgin, et. al. But PC has all but killed comedy.

        (but I will recommend one that I found on streaming – “Game Night”. Pretty damned funny)

  14. kbolino

    RE: Boy Scouts

    It’s not mentioned anywhere in the article (good job, CBS) but did the BSA engage in a coverup similar to the Catholic Church? I suppose it’s possible, in some cases, that scout leaders were covering up for other scout leaders. But the BSA has neither the bureaucracy nor the power the Church has or at least once had. This tendency to hold private organizations “accountable” for all of the misdeeds of their staff is not headed good places. It’s also giving an unfair advantage to government-backed organizations, which either can’t be sued, have much more limited liability, or will otherwise get bailed out. By the rationale applied against BSA, shouldn’t the state and federal departments of education all be enjoined in one large class action on behalf of the many victims of sexual abuse at the hands of public school teachers?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      They did.

      As far as I know they didn’t shuffle the leaders accused of misconduct around, but they did hide it from law enforcement and generally try to bury it.

      • kbolino

        I think the question then becomes, what elevates this from unrelated conspiracies of a few individuals each to an organizational responsibility?

      • Tonio

        A trail of evidence proving that the BSA administrators were aware of the situation and participated in the coverup or the intimidation of victims and families. The following link sheds some light on the behind the scenes people (ie BSA employees) enter the picture.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Scouter_(Boy_Scouts_of_America)

    • Don Escaped ORD

      They’re not even staff.

      Each troop is literally owned by its chartering organization, and I personally saw Youth Protection functioning well in the Carter administration.

      Before then I could consider other theories. Since then the misdeeds are largely the fault and liabilities of First United Methodist Church of ToadSuck Falls, Ohio etc

      • kbolino

        They’re not even staff.

        Yeah, most are volunteers. The paid staff in the traditional sense work higher up the chain. However, I couldn’t think of a better word, because not all the responsible individuals are leaders, and of course most of the organization’s members are the boys themselves.

      • Viking1865

        Yeah that’s what it comes down to. My Troop was old school, the scoutmaster was an active duty field grade officer, and the SOPS were inviolable. He ran it like a military organization. The two man rule was something you were drilled into. You never went anywhere alone, and an adult was never ever to be alone with a boy, ever. I saw him counsel a scoutmaster on it once, and the guy said “Christ, its my nephew” and The Colonel ripped him a new one.

        Best fucking troop in the council, we could roll up, set up camp, and start working on our plan for the trip while other troops were blowing up their air mattress. We’d be in the middle of the mountains, hiking on a narrow path, stop for a water break, and he’d say “Robbie is a casualty. His ankle got caught in the rocks, and he tripped. His ankle is broken, and he is unconscious. He and his gear will have to be carried out. The adults will offer no help in this task.”

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        That is the type of scouts that I really could’ve used at that age. Instead, the troop I joined was a clown show of crafts, idiot kids with zero discipline, and other mom-designed activities. Turns out I would’ve fit in the troop across town a lot better. Too bad I didn’t figure that out until I was 16.

      • kbolino

        I spent about half my time as a Boy Scout in a troop of 6 scouts, which actually made for a close knit if somewhat dysfunctional (in the non-sexual way) environment, but it folded and got absorbed by a much larger troop, and in the end I never really fit into either group. That, and I was lazy and unmotivated in scouts and school.

      • banginglc1

        I specifically didn’t join scouts because I saw all of the arts and crafts crap my brother had to do. I was a little jealous of some friends in high school when I watched all the trips they took.

      • Viking1865

        It was absolutely great. The way he ran it was that the adults would drive and buy supplies. All the planning and preparation was on us. We got lost once on the way to the camp site, because the Senior Patrol Leader had missed a turn (pre GPS), and the scoutmaster was playing dumb and just kept driving. Drove another ten miles or so, then we crossed a river and the SPL realized he fucked up and had to fix the problem. If you were a Patrol Leader and one of your Scouts had a dirty tent area or had some other manner of fuckup, you got ripped a new one.

      • Chipwooder

        When my son graduated out of Cubs, he looked at a bunch of troops to move up into. I don’t think there are any anymore that are quite as hardcore as what Viking described, but I was glad he chose one that was at least close. Most of them had stuff like museum trips counting as “camping” for their monthly camping trips, but not the one he joined. They go out every month, winter or no, and are very strict about being Scout-led. The adults go on the trips, but they set up a separate camp away from the boys and do not do any of the work. Not the planning, not the cooking, nothing.

      • Viking1865

        Yeah my troop kind of disbanded but morphed into another troop. Which was still good, but not quite the same.

        “They go out every month, winter or no, and are very strict about being Scout-led.”

        That, to me, is key. If you only camp April, May, June, July, August, September then you’re not really a legit Scout troop IMO.

        We went skiing every January, February was our cold weather campout. There were three sided shelters and cabins at that place but we were up in the mountains so it was cold as shit. That was the place I learned that grabbing the bunk next to wood stove just means you’re hot as shit all night, that you want to be in the middle bunks. The ones by the door are like 45 degrees, the ones by the stove are in the 80s, the ones in the middle of the cabin are just right.

      • Chipwooder

        He, and we, learned quick that he needed a legit cold-weather sleeping bag. He’d always used one of the inexpensive basic Coleman bags we picked up on clearance once for maybe $40 apiece for family camping. That was good enough for Cub Scouts, but when he went to the mountains this past November, he froze his ass off. Had to spring for a $150 bag rated to 10 degrees.

      • A Leap at the Wheel

        My son is crossing over *tonight*. The troop we are going into isn’t military-hardcore, but it’s otherwise like that. 100% boy lead. Scoutmaster has been in the game since he was 12. New committee chair has been in the game since he was 12 (its me). They camp out an average of 18 to 20 times a month. They live and die by the patrol method, etc.

        I like the “Robbie is a casualty” game. We are going to play that on a camp out.

      • UnCivilServant

        They camp out an average of 18 to 20 times a month.

        That sounds like overkill.

        I like the “Robbie is a casualty” game.

        If you puncture his tire, it’ll be easy to catch him.

      • Viking1865

        “I like the “Robbie is a casualty” game. We are going to play that on a camp out.”

        We always did stuff on the campouts that reinforced what we did in the meeting. So the “Robbie is a casualty”, we had a couple weeks before spend the weekly meeting learning how to carry a casualty, including making field stretchers, and how to properly lift and move them, how to rotate the bearers to prevent fatigue, etc. Then he hit us with an exercise.

        The ideal Scout troop, to me, is actually capable of doing real things. Like, if there’s a flood, your local Scout troop should be able to do things like light SAR, guide refugees to safe areas, render first aid, ground guide a supply truck through a closed off area, clear a parking lot for a helicopter evac, set up a field kitchen with hot food and drinks and a place to get out of the rain for emergency personnel.

    • Mojeaux

      The BSA was done the second the Mormon church decided to no longer participate.

      • A Leap at the Wheel

        Hard, hard disagree.

  15. Rebel Scum

    A good way to get yourself shot. ///getoffmylawn

    Trinity College Cambridge is famed for the perfectly manicured lawns upon which former scholars like Sir Isaac Newton may have ruminated on life’s most impenetrable questions.

    Today, however, its lawn was the staging post for an Extinction Rebellion protest as activists dug trenches and chained themselves to an apple tree grafted from the one said to have inspired Newton…

    Nathan, a spokesman for Extinction Rebellion who declined to give his last name, said the group arrived at 9am to dig up the lawn and were unopposed by college porters.

    “Doing these symbolic, disruptive actions is one of the ways in which we can drive the conversation into how we respect nature and get off fossil fuels as a country,” he said.

    • R C Dean

      Nightsticks and guard dogs are an appropriate retort to these destructive idiots.

      • Tundra

        Water cannons?

      • UnCivilServant

        Gatling cannons. Water the (Apple) Tree with the blood of tyrants.

        /hyperbolic bad mood

      • R C Dean

        My way is more cost effective.

        And produces more deterrence.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Rock Concert Security..

      • Tonio

        Tear gas. Doesn’t erode the lawn or leave bite marks. Also tends to keep photogs out of the area.

      • Tejicano

        Correct answer

    • Tonio

      So, the same government that can arrest random chavs for rude speech and knacker them with ASBOs can’t arrest these people? This is capitulation, people.

    • PieInTheSky

      I am starting to root for a global pandemic

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        What will you drink?

      • PieInTheSky

        wine, obviously

      • Rebel Scum

        ^

        Might prevent Coronavirus. But you risk suffering from Merlotvirus.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Send them to Wuhan.

    • Spartacus

      Once they’re chained to a tree they can’t get away, so that’s the time to break out the bear spray and tasers. And to release the badgers.

  16. Rebel Scum

    Whites are the worst.

    The comedian told her ABC colleagues on “The View” that it’s time to abandon the Hawkeye State because rooms with a high percentage of white people are “not an indication of the Democratic Party.”

    “Why are they doing it in a red state?” Ms. Behar asked. “It’s a Democratic Party. Why don’t they go to a blue state and do it? And mostly white people, young white people are voting in Iowa. That’s not an indication of the Democratic Party. So that was a mistake. I agree [that] Iowa should not be doing it. Although, I love Iowa. I’ve been there. It’s a lovely place and the people are very nice.”

    Co-host Sunny Hostin concurred with politically dismissing Iowa on racial grounds.

    • R C Dean

      “Why don’t they go to a blue state and do it?”

      Because the Dem’s problem is that their candidates are just too darn centrist, and they need to give the lefties a leg up with a blue state primary.

    • kbolino

      While the DNC can exert some pressure to shuffle the primaries around, they are decided by the states. Iowa goes first because the state wants to go first, and New Hampshire is close behind for a similar reason. Of course, other states could move the elections even farther up the calendar, but this situation is already getting a little ridiculous.

      The “fairest” solution would be to have a national primary day, where every state and territory votes at roughly the same time.

      • UnCivilServant

        The monday before election day.

      • kbolino

        Yeah, and (general) election day should be closer to the day the elected take office. This drawn-out process, while perhaps fitting for a time where it took weeks to ride to the national capital, has become more theater than process in an age where it takes hours instead.

      • UnCivilServant

        Laws and regulations passed during a lame duck sessions should be invalid unlress ratified by the new congress.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        CHAOS!
        great idea,

      • RAHeinlein

        Or, if they genuinely believe Iowa doesn’t matter, spend your time and money elsewhere (see Bloomberg).

      • Mad Scientist

        The “fairest” solution would be to have a national primary day, where every state and territory votes at roughly the same time.

        Make it April 15th.

      • Jarflax

        Only if you get rid of withholding and crap like the EIC welfare program. Remember, it is only productive people who dread tax time.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      And mostly white people, young white people are voting in Iowa.

      LOL. Young white people are a significant part of the Democratic Party. Go ahead and alienate them, dumbass.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        Trump has so much fodder from this cycle. He could just play sound bites of the left shoving their collective foot in their mouth and win the election.

    • Gadfly

      “Why are they doing it in a red state?” Ms. Behar asked. “It’s a Democratic Party. Why don’t they go to a blue state and do it?

      Iowa is a purple state. It’s not silly to start in a purple state if you want to select someone who can win.

    • Tundra

      “King’s Evil”

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Thank God for modern medicine.

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      “Cancer, and Wolf”

      Odd pairing, something’s obviously lost in translation.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Ah, apparently a misunderstanding of the nature of the disease led some to believe that it was an organism that was eating away at the patient, also called Worm.

      • Tonio

        They believed that tooth decay was caused by a “tooth worm.”

        Fun times.

        That’s why I always harshed on White Indian. He seemed to believe that smallpox vaccinations would, somehow, magically continue in Gamboltopia, but could never explain how the vaccine would be manufactured, stored and transported. Or who would feed the vaccine makers. Etc.

    • sloopyinca

      I’ll take either “aged” or “over-laid” when it’s my time to go.

    • Tonio

      Check out the huge number of stillborns, infant deaths, and deaths of mothers in childbirth (“childbed”).

      For anyone curious a chrisom (“infants and chrisomes”) is a baptismal gown.

      • hayeksplosives

        Women just kept cranking out babies until they (the women) died in childbirth.

        Makes genealogy stark reading: you see men with a series of wives and offspring until eventually he dies too.

      • Jarflax

        The women in the various back to nature movements are too stupid to live. I can see the appeal of this crap to some Warty type dude or someone like Animal. They are rocketing up in status in that life, but women? Women in that world have precisely one survival strategy, find a Warty and convince him to keep them around. That way they can survive long enough to die a natural death. In childbirth at age 28, bearing number 9. Every woman should spend a moment each day thanking God that the agricultural, industrial and computer revolutions occurred.

      • Viking1865

        “Makes genealogy stark reading: you see men with a series of wives and offspring until eventually he dies too.”

        Yep, and why is he able to have a series of wives? Because lots and lots of young men are dying in battle, or gored by an ox, or getting his arm crushed by the millstone, or sticking a manure smeared pitchfork into his foot.

      • Chipwooder

        It’s also sad as hell when you realize that most of your ancestors had to keep having kids because the ones they already had kept dying. Not uncommon in my family tree to see a woman who gave birth nine or ten times but only have 4 or 5 survive to adulthood.

    • Tonio

      “French pox” (aka the great pox) is Syphilis.

    • Tonio

      Anyone have any ideas about “jawfaln?”

      • hayeksplosives

        Maybe tetanus ? “Lockjaw” as it was called?

      • Tres Cool

        DING DING DING!

        Check out the Big Brains on Busty over there!

        Jawfaln: Literally a fallen jaw also referred to as a locked jaw. Possibly tetanus.

    • robc

      Kil’d by several accidents.

      As opposed to just 1?

      • UnCivilServant

        Well, yess, 46 isn’t an unattainable death toll for an accident. Just have a tenement collapse and Bam!

      • robc

        No, I meant each individual who died in that count died from several accidents.

        A tenement collapse would be a single accident, they would be counted separately.

      • UnCivilServant

        It’s clearly not what they mean.

      • Not Adahn

        Drop glass bottle of milk from Whole Foods. Slip on spilled milk. Land on broken glass. Give wrong address to the paramedics coming to same you…

      • robc

        But it is literally what they said.

      • UnCivilServant

        With nearly four hundred years of linguistic drift, you can’t apply today’s pedantry to their verbiage.

      • robc

        you can’t apply

        I can, and I did.

      • SDF-7

        Their houses burned down, fell over… and *then* sank into the swamp.

    • robc

      Made away themselves

      I assume that is suicide. Its nice, has a good sound to it.

  17. Rebel Scum

    You don’t say.

    Christopher Sign talked about his book on the Clinton-Lynch meeting, called Secret on the Tarmac, during an appearance Monday on Fox News.

    The encounter on June 27, 2016, at the Phoenix’s Sky Harbor Airport led to a firestorm of criticism as it took place during the FBI’s investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of an unauthorized email server and the presidential election in which she was the Democratic candidate. Both Bill Clinton and Lynch claim the email investigation was not brought up during their chat, but Sign, who was a morning anchor at the Phoenix-area ABC15 when he first reported their encounter, said there’s more to the story.

    The book “details everything that they don’t want you to know and everything they think you forgot. But Bill Clinton was on that plane for 20 minutes, and it wasn’t just about golf, grandkids, and Brexit,” Sign said on Fox & Friends. “There’s so much that doesn’t add up.”

    Sign said he spoke with an eye-witness to the meeting when Clinton “waited” on the tarmac of the airport for Lynch’s plane to land and taxi to a stop. Sign described confusion among the FBI and Secret Service officers about what Clinton and Lynch were doing.

    “Most of her [Lynch’s] staff gets off [the airplane], he [Clinton] then gets on as the Secret Service and FBI are figuring out, ‘How in the world are we supposed to handle this? What are we supposed to do?'” Sign said.

    • R C Dean

      I knew immediately it was complete bullshit, because nobody goes to Phoenix to play golf in June. People who want to play golf leave Phoenix In the summer.

      • UnCivilServant

        People who want to play golf leave Phoenix In the summer

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        They don’t leave the house, and pay 1000$ a month for electricity,

      • Drake

        I knew it was nefarious because it was a meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch.

      • kbolino

        The degree to which we’re supposed to impute nothing but the purest of motives to Democrats (especially those connected to Obama) and nothing but the vilest of motives to Republicans (especially those connected to Trump) has gotten a little ridiculous.

      • Viking1865

        Yeah I’d have a lot more respect if they’d just come out and say “We are doing what’s best for the country, and that means sometimes you have to bend the rules and do things you’d rather not.” Embrace that Biscmarck/Nixon kind of attitude.

      • kbolino

        The amount of things we’re all supposed to know with a wink and a nudge but also vociferously pretend aren’t true has also gotten ridiculous.

      • Chipwooder

        Well, my dad would play in Phoenix and Vegas when he was in town for business in the summer, but then he’s a psychopath who will play golf under any weather conditions if the course isn’t closed.

    • Tulip

      An entire book?

    • Not Adahn

      That can’t be, one is human and the other isn’t.

      • UnCivilServant

        Oh, we uploaded a new realism patch to the NPC software. They should be 63% more realistic in their nonverbal reactions to events.

    • kbolino

      Who pays for these wastes of paper?

  18. Rebel Scum

    The end is near.

    Ice volcanoes erupted at Oval Beach, Michigan, on Sunday.
    These were caused by building waves beneath the Lake Michigan surface ice sheet.
    The waves caused an increase in pressure on the ice sheet, and the water punctured a hole in the ice.
    The water then sprayed out the hole and froze up, building the cone shape of the so-called ice volcano.

    • PieInTheSky

      We only have mud volcanoes in Romania. If you are ever in Buzau county, it is definitely not worth a visit.

    • Tonio

      We’ve seen similar things on one of the icy moons. Can’t remember which. Except methane ice.

      • Raven Nation

        Enceladus

      • AlexinCT

        ^^^THIS^^^

        And some on Europa too.

      • Not Adahn

        Attempt no landing there.

      • UnCivilServant

        Since when does some brick get to terraform in our system and tell us which planets we can and can’t use?

      • Jarflax

        Since it got Strauss to write it impressive theme music.

    • kbolino

      Sure, creating a new euphemism to replace the old one has never worked before. But we’ll keep doing it, because clearly it’s the label itself and not the thing it describes that’s the problem.

      • Jarflax

        That is idiotic moronic retarded special.

      • Gadfly

        ^This^
        “Special” was most definitely a playground insult when I was a kid. It’s funny that grown adults don’t realize that the insult comes not from the word itself, but the meaning behind the word.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      And it was such a nice place once,

    • hayeksplosives

      Eye roll…

      I mean, just give it a rest, lefty idealists.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I am glad you get to enjoy what Cali has to offer, it is a really neat place to live,
        Sunshine for You!

      • hayeksplosives

        The sun is just now coming up here in Hidden Meadows. It looks like I’m in Bespin. Nothing but fog and clouds!! However, as the day warms, the clouds will dissipate and it will be back to the hilly splendor.

        All California needs to do is stop subsidizing people who can’t or won’t make a living here instead of whining that we need more affordable housing.

        (You see anyone whining that they can’t get housing on Park Avenue for minimum wage?)

        So move away if you can’t live here, and certainly don’t come here if you can’t afford it. If we quit subsidies, enough people will leave that the market will equilibrate and prices will drop. People will pay more money for labor, and workers will return.

        Free markets: how do they work?

      • UnCivilServant

        People will pay more money for labor

        I hear the screeching of many entitled people at that thought.

      • hayeksplosives

        Hey, as long as it’s truly free market and not state planned/mandated, it works fine.

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        I left for a lot of reasons, it was sad to go,

    • ChipsnSalsa

      In California, there are 650 young people in operated juvenile centers – with 87 percent being black or Latino, according to the Division of Juvenile Justice.

      Would have thought that number would be higher, but I suppose if they have been released they are not “in” an operated juvenile center.

      • Gadfly

        I like how they amp up their numbers by including “Latino”, which happens to be the biggest group in California.

    • Rhywun

      *snicker*

    • AlexinCT

      Calling an illegal alien an undocumented worker fixed that problem, didn’t it?

    • AlexinCT

      They are late to this. Most, if not all European airlines stopped flying to China 2 weeks ago, and I think a lot of others did the same last week. Governments are not doing this because they are unworried about the problem this virus poses.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Governments are not doing this because they are unworried about the problem this virus poses.

        And consider that China is intentionally collapsing its economy to deal with it. All is not well.

    • Tonio

      But returning citizens get let in and are expected to “self-quarantine.”

      • AlexinCT

        That’s gonna work out different than what they intended…

  19. UnCivilServant

    Hrmm.. the germans have told Tesla to stop cutting down trees to build its gigafactory.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      how else do they get electricity in Germany? Nukes?

      • UnCivilServant

        Lignite.

        They shut down their nukes to use green energy, and the solar/wind farms can’t provide baseline, so they’ve increased their use of dirty coal (relative burn cleanliness to other coals)

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        They also use Biomass, Shredded trees and stuff, Morons

      • hayeksplosives

        They also changed a lot of the “nuke” pie wedge to “imports”, meaning they import from the Baltic states who run only the finest Soviet era Nuke plants.

        When I was in Sweden studying electric power engineering, my professors told us this was coming (recall that it was Scandinavia that first informed the world of Chernobyl, because that’s where the Nuke cloud drifted) and that it would only make things worse.

        And sure enough, it came to pass.

        All spin.

        It’s all spin.

      • Tonio

        “the Baltic states who run only the finest Soviet era Nuke plants”

        Okay, I officially have a crush on Hayek.

      • Not Adahn

        …I have no idea why exactly, but I’m putting money down on Tonio when his fight with Digby comes up.

      • Tonio

        Not all crushes are sexual.

      • banginglc1

        Maybe it’s more of a swinger type crush . . .some MMF action?

    • Not Adahn

      They should build it IN the trees, in harmony with nature. You know, like Rivendell.

    • Drake

      They supposed to built cars in a tree-house?

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        Elon can do anything!

    • Gadfly

      This is silly. Germany already has too many trees. Although maybe the objection is that the tree-clearing process isn’t being done by the book, since the Germans seem to be rather anal-retentive about forest management. Or maybe they just don’t like Elon.

    • kbolino

      I’m more curious about the “global mutex” part. How do you make a mutex that lives outside the process’s memory space? Is there a shared memory block that every .NET process has?

      • UnCivilServant

        I wouldn’t be surprised.

      • kbolino

        The best I can trace it down to is that it’s using a feature of Windows itself: CreateMutexA specifies that if you give the mutex a name and the name starts with “Global” then it will be available to all processes.

        How Mono implements this on Linux, or if it even does, I don’t know.

      • kbolino

        (and said feature likely uses shared memory, in the form of kernel memory, which is part of every process)

      • SDF-7

        Maybe System V shared memory/locking (ipcget / shmget) semantics or something similar.

        Kernel management of shared memory ranges across processes used for locking and InterProcess Communication is neither new nor exactly rocket science, after all…

      • Rhywun

        Must be part of the .NET runtime.

    • Rhywun

      LOL

      • AlexinCT

        ^^^THIS^^^

    • Fatty Bolger

      And that’s why you always read the comments on Stack Overflow, not just the accepted answer.

      • robc

        ^^^So much This^^^

  20. Rebel Scum

    We need commonsense cane sword control.

    Peaceful Florida citizens holding Trump signs were minding their own business in Dunnellon, Fla., last Thursday when a man rushed at them with a cane sword.

    Police arrested 49-year-old James L. Whitehurst II and charged him with 10 counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and one count of disorderly conduct, the Ocala Star Banner reported.

    Victims reportedly told police that Whitehurst had approached them during their peaceful assembly with what was described as a cane sword. The assailant allegedly pointed the sword in their faces and made threatening statements, holding the blade 6 inches from their faces.

    Whitehurst confessed to having removed the sword from its holder and pointing it at the Trump supporters. He told police he meant no harm by the threatening action.

    • AlexinCT

      At least he didn’t drive a van into the people hoping to “send them a message”, like that guy that has been memory holed by the dnc operatives with bylines, did.

    • Viking1865

      “Peaceful Florida citizens holding Trump signs were minding their own business in Dunnellon, Fla., last Thursday when a man rushed at them with a cane sword.”

      How many Florida trump supporters can gather in a group before you get to the statistical certainty of one being armed?

  21. Drake

    Bloomberg just proposed a transaction-tax on trading. That’s how he made his $billions – got a monopoly on the data-flow and skimmed off a percentage.

    • Rhywun

      They really want to bankrupt NYC, don’t they?

      • AlexinCT

        They want to choke the chicken that lays the golden eggs, is my take on it. Your rob banks, because that’s where the money is. Same with democrat pols and their promises of free shit.

      • Drake

        Anyone can be a farmer, only a smart guy can be a tax farmer.

    • invisible finger

      That ought to be the final nail in the coffin of government pensions.

  22. Spartacus

    In other news, Gene Healy is giving a talk at my university on Thursday.
    Sadly, I’m going to be on my way to a conference so I’m going to have to miss it.

  23. Charles Easterly

    “The first emperor of a unified China, Qin She Huang was born on this day.”

    That reminds me of a movie I watched.

    Which in turn reminds me of another movie that also has a good amount of action, but a rather depressing ending.

    • Charles Easterly

      Oops. The other movie.

    • Old Man With Candy

      Asian Nurses 7, a classic with a great ending and penetrating insights.

      • Q Continuum

        Asian Nurses 7 was good, but it’s no Oriental Street Hookers 9.

      • AlexinCT

        Was that previewed on the “Asian Street Meat” channel?

      • banginglc1

        True story: the only porn my parents caught me with was one a buddy stole from a party we were at . . .Gang Bang Bitches No 17 . . . Of all the porn I owned, that’s the sole one mom found. Thank God we never had a discussion about it, it just disappeared and was never mentioned.

      • banginglc1

        Oh . ..and.it was not good . . .the only thing I remember is a guy saying “I can’t believe I’m standing here jerking off next to my brother and about to fuck some chick” and the girl involved was hideous.

    • hayeksplosives

      That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

    • kbolino

      If there’s a rhetorical game that can be played, you can bet Politifact will play it. They have so little consistency in their methodology you’d get better results from astrology (no offense to our fine Glibertarians astrologer laureate).

      • Fatty Bolger

        I laughed at this one from the one about Trump saying medicare for all would bankrupt the country:

        For one thing, Levitt noted, Medicare for All would not socialize the medical care system, even if it would replace private insurance with all public programs. Under the current proposals, hospitals and doctors would still stand as private entities.

        “It would in no way mean a socialist takeover of the health care system,” Levitt said. “When Americans think of health care, I suspect they think of the people who actually deliver that care.”

        Having the government as the only payer, dictating prices and coverage rules and everything else to providers, is totally not socialism! They can still quit if they don’t like it, after all. At least until the Health Care Conscription Act is passed.

      • kbolino

        Ah, it’s an odd-numbered day of the month, when socialism means taking over the means of production. This is totally different from even-numbered days of the month, when socialism means sunshine and rainbows.

      • kbolino

        50% chance of getting that one right… oh well

      • Jarflax

        In fairness 18 year olds are often odd.

      • AlexinCT

        You can’t parody this level of evil/stupid.

        I tell everyone of these “healthcare is a right” people, that any kind of service you declare a right that requires the labor or sacrifice of others (especially others that have to be highly educated to be effective), already has been tried: it was called serfdom, and before that slavery.

      • kbolino

        It will, before then, also be known as “please wait in line, you’ll receive a diagnostic scan in 18-24 months (and hopefully you’ll be dead before then so we don’t have to pay for it at all)”

  24. Rebel Scum

    2021 is going to be fun.

    RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) — State Sen. Amanda Chase (R-Chesterfield) announced her plans Monday to run for governor next year on the steps in front of the state Capitol, becoming the first Republican to officially enter the race.

    During her speech in front of a crowd of supporters and media members, Chase lashed out against the new Democratic-controlled state legislature and the “growing wave of liberal ideas, socialism and the destruction of American freedom and rights, growing like a virus across our great nation and throughout Virginia.”

    “Virginians deserve better,” Chase said Monday. “Virginians deserve better than the liberal socialistic agenda that has taken hold of the Virginia Capitol.”

    She is apparently threatening to run as an independent if she does not get the GOP nom. *adds popcorn to shopping list*

    • Not Adahn

      Why wouldn’t she?

      • Viking1865

        The VA GOP is completely controlled by the Romney types. Conservative to them is “Lockheed Martin gets tax breaks to build more offices in NOVA.”

        If everyone in VA who voted for Trump had voted for Gillespie, he would have won. But I think theres a few hundred thousand people who didn’t see a damn bit of difference between him and Northam.

    • Chipwooder

      She’s going to have to run as an independent, then. The state party hates her and will do everything possible to stop her.

      I would have liked to see Nick Freitas run for governor, but he chose to run for Congress against the CIA spook bitch, and I can’t say I mind that. Be glad to see her phony ass go.

  25. l0b0t

    Hey, Shirley Knott. Your request was not disregarded but I haven’t found Flaming Hearts. After reading the synopsis however, I am very excited to do so; it looks like a fun film. I’ll keep ya posted.

    • Shirley Knott

      Cool! It’s a very strange movie, but the soundtrack is amazing.
      Michael Rother’s first solo album (post Harmonia/Neu). The movie was somehow ‘inspired by’ the album, which makes my brain explode every time I think about it.
      My buddy & I were unaware of the relationship between album and film, but when our band got to perform a soundtrack for Witchcraft Through the Ages, it was the opening film. We were certain there could be no connection — until the movie started and out poured the sound we loved. When it was over, we looked at each other in pure “WTF was that?” puzzlement.
      Witchcraft tt Ages is also a fucking bizarre movie. It’s out in a number of different cuts. Only recommended as a curiosity.

  26. Gadfly

    Not photographed: the idiot that was also singing

    Correction: “Not photographed: one of the idiots that was also singing”. Lennon was also an idiot for allowing Yoko on-stage, since AFAIK her personality flaws had already been evident by that time.

    • Mad Scientist

      Lennon was also an idiot

      He was an idiot long before Yoko showed up.

      • Tundra

        Sure, but she helped him achieve new heights of retardation.

        Upon on his return to EMI Studios (which would later be rechristened “EMI Abbey Road Studios” to cash-in on the album recorded there), in one of the more dubious Beatles recording “firsts,” Lennon had a hospital bed wheeled into Studio Two, the Beatles’ primary studio throughout the 1960s, where Ono would observe the recording process while wearing a negligee — and a tiara to hide the scar on her forehead.

        Lennon’s insistence, beginning with the sessions for the “White Album” in 1968, that Ono sat in on all of his recording sessions, greatly strained relations with his fellow band members. It was a classic power play by Lennon.

        Icky.

      • AlexinCT

        See discussion above about Asian chicks…

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Nothing like fame and money to reveal the character of a person.

      • Q Continuum

        “a tiara to hide the scar on her forehead”

        From the lobotomy?

      • UnCivilServant

        Lobotomy scars tend to be within the orbit of the eye.

      • UnCivilServant

        It’s PAYNE!

        Why can no one ever get that right?

  27. Gadfly

    The Boy Scouts of America has filed for bankruptcy protection.

    FTA:

    Scores of lawyers are seeking settlements on behalf of several thousand men who say they were molested by scoutmasters or other leaders decades ago but are only now eligible to sue because of recent changes in their states’ statute-of-limitations laws.

    Lawyers, help me out, how is this not an ex post facto law, and thus unconstitutional? Or are we in FYTW territory?

    • kbolino

      IANAL but I think the reasoning is, the act was illegal at the time, the statute of limitations did not make the act no longer a crime after a certain time, it only made it unprosecutable after that time. Extending the statute of limitations only reopens the possibility of prosecution, which the state can argue is within its discretion.

      • Tonio

        ^This.

        Previously, I believe the only crime for which there was no SOL was murder. I can see that exception.

  28. The Late P Brooks

    They supposed to built cars in a tree-house?

    A giant floating factory in the clouds. Suck it, Morlocks.

  29. Q Continuum

    Wearing a shirt stating how phenomenal you are: Narcissism level 1 zillion.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      All,

  30. The Late P Brooks

    Politifact can now fact check the future: Does ‘Medicare For All’ Cost More Than The Entire Budget? Biden Says So. But Numbers Say No.

    Garbage in, garbage out.

    It applies to spreadsheets, too.

    • kbolino

      Usually they give Democrats the benefit of the doubt, but since universal healthcare uber alles, Biden gets an outright “false” rating, even though you can massage the numbers to make what he said basically true (MfA will cost about as much as we spend on everything else).

      • Q Continuum

        They’ve given up on Biden so they’re defenestrating him in lieu of Bloomy.

      • Fatty Bolger

        Yep, and everybody knows those numbers are pure bullshit. Whatever they say it will cost, it will be much higher in reality.

      • kbolino

        True. They have so convinced themselves that healthcare is exempt from the normal rules of economics that they have not even begun to look at how to reduce costs. Taking over as the payer gives them more control but it doesn’t make anything cheaper.

      • Jarflax

        If you want healthcare expenditures to drop you can do several things.

        You can reduce the amount of health care provided

        You can reduce the quality of healthcare provided

        Or you can get out of the way and let the market drive innovation and efficiency. I bought a 4k 32 inch monitor for $319 last month. In 1980 dollars that would have been roughly $110, which is somewhere around 1/6 what a tube TV of similar ( a bit smaller) size would have cost. 1/6th the cost, immeasurably higher quality over 40 years.

        Every person paying the slightest bit of attention knows this to be true, but they won’t allow it in health care because the way it all works is that the wealthy people get the new products first when they are super expensive and the rest of us are always a generation of tech or two behind.

      • UnCivilServant

        What inputs does the monitor take?

      • Jarflax

        AOC CQ32G1 31.5″ Curved Frameless Gaming Monitor, Quad HD 2560×1440, VA panel, 4 ms Response Time, MPRT, 144Hz, FreeSync, DisplayPort/HDMI/VGA, VESA

      • UnCivilServant

        Sounds great.

        *checks finances*

        But I had to get my car fixed, and save up for the road trip.

      • Ozymandias

        In some areas of medicine – those where there is a free market – the same has happened. My friend owns two laser eye surgery centers and he constantly tries to tell people to look at where his industry has gone because they’re outside of the rest of the healthcare debacle. Cosmetic surgery is much the same. Exponential increases in quality of care with decrease in costs over time.
        And I’ve said it on here before (and I think I got some pushback for it, but I can’t remember where it is): the rich ALWAYS subsidize the poor in free markets. Socialists simply want to short-circuit that evolutionary process and fuck with it because they absolutely know better!!
        All of those rich people who *HAD TO HAVE* giant televisions paid a YUUUGE premium to be the first to get them. That market eventually led to where we are today with giant flat screen TVs costing next to nothing. Ditto for cell phones; and computers; and cars; and fucking everything ever, but they just can’t learn.

      • robc

        Everything normally not paid by insurance has dropped.

        Lasix
        IVF
        Cosmetic surgery

      • Shirley Knott

        Note also that for those things insurance does cover, your co-pay is likely to be what the out-of-pocket was pre-insurance.
        I’ve been seeing this for 30+ years and it keeps getting worse.

      • Gadfly

        Whatever they say it will cost, it will be much higher in reality.

        Indeed. Just wait until we have unionized government insurance agents processing our claims.

      • Fatty Bolger

        (shudders)

    • Chipwooder

      Why do we need this? I thought Obama and the Dems solved all our health care issues just a few years back.

      • kbolino

        The dastardly Trump and his GOP lackeys gutted the savior’s signature legacy lifetime accomplishment policy initiative healthcare reform affordable care act for great justice.

      • AlexinCT

        You mean that disastrous plan that was intended to destroy all private insurance and leave us with no option other than government takeover of healthcare we were told needed to be passed before we could figure out what was in it?

    • Tundra

      He added: “I would expect that sort of thing at a Trump rally.”

      Then you are retarded.

      • UnCivilServant

        Well, no, there are plenty of times leftists have become violent at trump rallies.

      • hayeksplosives

        Technically true.

      • Q Continuum

        Bernie pulls 11K in Denver, Trump is having a rally in C. Springs on Thursday; I’m very curious to see how many show up for that.

    • Atanarjuat

      “I thought it really would be a lot more inclusive than that. It’s not a safe place to express differences.”

      He added: “I would expect that sort of thing at a Trump rally.”

      Could be either young lefty naivety or trolling, not sure.

      For those who don’t know, Black Guns Matter is Maj Toure’s organization which goes into black neighborhoods to talk about gun rights. The gall of some Bernie Bro to tell a black guy he’s racist for wearing it…

  31. hayeksplosives

    I went to urgent care Monday afternoon since my 4 week laryngitis took a turn for the worse Saturday-Sunday and incorporated other symptoms that have resulted in reduced lung capacity and increased nausea.

    Tested neg for strep (negative) but doc heard the wheezing and of course the terrible hoarseness. He said laryngitis is ALWAYS viral, not bacterial, but that it has probably taxed my immune system enough to allow bacterial things to move on in. So I’m on a course of antibiotics and prednisone now, with orders to stay home for 3 days.

    I asked the doc if I should do any home remedies for the laryngitis bit, and he said the only thing for it is to not speak.

    Husbands of the world hardest hit.

    (Unfortunately, my spouse, though I have told him the need to rest my voice) still calls to me loudly from across the house and if he can’t hear my squeaking answer, just gets louder and louder and agitated, finally comes into the room where I am and asks why I didn’t answer.

    I am tired of reminding him why, so the last time last night, I flipped him the bird.

    Not diplomatic on my part but it got the conversation over.

    • Q Continuum

      “he said the only thing for it is to not speak. Husbands of the world hardest hit.”

      I guess the doc could’ve said semen was an effective treatment and hubby would be pretty happy.

      /inappropriate shitlord

      • hayeksplosives

        Honestly, when I told him the doc said I need to rest, he said “And what does your dentist say?”

        He tried to duck but was not fast enough for me.

      • hayeksplosives

        Lol.

        Maybe just some soap bars in a sock will work.

      • UnCivilServant

        They don’t help amplify sound much.

      • hayeksplosives

        ~eyeroll~

      • UnCivilServant

        You expected a different response?

    • Nephilium

      If you’d like, I’ve got a navy buzzer alarm on my phone, you could probably just play that when he calls for you.

      • Atanarjuat

        Or just text him. “Sorry honey, as you might recall I’ve got a bit of a sore throat right now. What was it you needed?”

  32. Gadfly

    Houston, we have a problem…with perverts teaching in our public school system. But compulsory public schooling is a good thing, right government toadies?

    So, are the public schools going to be raked over the coals and have to file bankruptcy like their private sector counterparts? I won’t hold my breath.

    • Tonio

      Hahaha. The taxpayers will pay for this either way.

  33. Rebel Scum

    Sure, Joe.

    Host Nicolle Wallace asked, “So, we have been talking about the letter signed by more than 2,000 former Justice Department officials of both political parties calling on Attorney General Barr to resign. Do you join their calls for his resignation?”

    Biden responded, “Absolutely, positively. This has been the most — the greatest abuse of power I have ever seen at the hands of this president who has no, no sense of decency or understanding of the Constitution. And Barr’s facilitating it is beyond my comprehension. I’ve been around a long time, used to chair the Judiciary Committee for years. No president, no president, no president has ever intimidated an attorney general into abusing power as much as this man has. It’s disgusting.”

    • Viking1865

      “the greatest abuse of power I have ever seen at the hands of this president who has no, no sense of decency or understanding of the Constitution.”

      Refusing to send an old man to prison for the rest of his life for a process crime is a greater abuse of Presidential power than murdering an American citizen with a drone, along with his family.

  34. Certified Public Asshat

    Jeff Bezos commits $10 billion to fight climate change

    Bezos unveiled his new initiative in an Instagram post Monday, in which he said that climate change is the biggest threat to the planet. The Amazon CEO stated that he wanted to work with others to “amplify known ways and explore new ways” to combat the devastating impact of climate change. According to the announcement, the Bezos Earth Fund will fund scientists, activists, NGOs and other efforts. It will start issuing grants this summer.

    Not enuff!

    • Certified Public Asshat

      Comment: Bezos could have simply tweeted that he supports NOAA, NASA and EPA doing climate work and that their efforts should be well funded. But that would not have allowed him a $10 billion tax dodge. None of that money will go to sea wall design and construction or climate change preparedness around Amazon’s many facilities. That money will come from federal and state governments.

      It’s amazing how easily common folks get wooed by rich folks setting up charities.

      • leon

        It’s amazing how easily common folks get wooed by rich folks setting up charities.

        Maybe… And i’m just spitballing here… but maybe its because the common man doesn’t like having his money forcibly taken to fund someone elses pet projects. So maybe they like to see someone of means voluntarily using that money to do something good. And Maybe you are the evil person for demanding that every person pay a tithe to your idols?

        But i’m just spitballing. I’m an elitist after all so what would i know about the common folk.

      • kbolino

        NASA … doing climate work

        Apart from putting satellites into orbit, what “climate work” is there to do in space?

      • Atanarjuat

        Somehow I doubt Amazon’s facilities are so close to the sea they can’t withstand an 18 inch rise over the next 100 years or whatever.

    • Q Continuum

      As long as he’s wasting his own money and not mine he can knock himself out.

      • UnCivilServant

        Unless he’s funding activism to ban products or spend my money.

      • R C Dean

        That’s exactly where a chunk of this money will go. I daresay he fancies himself the next Soros.

      • hayeksplosives

        Yup, Elon has done amazing things with the Boring company and SpaceX on his dime (obviously now NASA is a SpaceX client, because the govt couldn’t do what he did).

        Bezos, put YOUR money where your mouth is!!

    • Rhywun

      Moron. His money to waste, I guess.

    • Fatty Bolger

      Buying indulgences from the Church of Climate Change, huh? I think this may be tied in to a plan to become a major 3rd party shipper. Get out ahead of the “major polluter” accusations.

  35. Q Continuum

    Looks like Bloomy’s gonna get his chance to stand on a booster at the debate.

    https://apnews.com/11669588925e27f7fadc20b227936c34

    I anticipate that his poll numbers drop after that. He’s gotten to pour money into ads while hiding his sparkling personality up until now, I think the other candidates are going to rip him a new one on stage.

    • hayeksplosives

      They’ve got him red-handed and videoed saying all kinds of career derailing shit.

      Only question is who the media will choose to spin in favor of.

      I keep talking about likability. Trump vs Bloomers is a pretty obvious choice.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        They won’t turn on Bloomers that quickly simply because he’s spending money like a drunken sailor on ads. Revenue first.

      • Viking1865

        Yeah at this point the actual Democrat political pros know they can’t win the election, so now it’s all about putting food on their own tables, which means keeping the billionaire in the race so they can cash in.

      • Chipwooder

        Yep. I know Trump has been on record saying a bunch of things that could seem career-derailing too, but a) he never apologizes, while Mikey will grovel before the SJWs that infest the Democratic Party b)Bloomberg has little personality or charisma.

      • Q Continuum

        I still think that on the off-chance the DNC rigs the nomination for him, Trump will tear him to shreds over his nanny statism.

        “Unemployment is at record lows and Mini Mike’s biggest concern is banning your Big Gulp! SAD!”

        He won’t even have to get into the gun-grabbing and racist 4A violations.

      • Rebel Scum

        It would be funny if Trump had a big mac and large fry/soda delivered to him on the debate stage if he finds himself running against Mini-Mike.

      • hayeksplosives

        I’d pay the GrubHub fee for that.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      What Democrat doesn’t want to support a mildly effeminate authoritarian billionaire opportunist douchebag who’s trying to purchase the nomination (or outsized influence at least)? What’s that, almost all of them?

      • Drake

        At least the ones who don’t want a dirty old commie.

      • AlexinCT

        Go Grandpa Gulag, it’s your birthday!

    • Raston Bot

      it’s the Northam/Virginia playbook. Bloomberg is now in their pocket in exchange for forgiveness of his past (past, not “youthful” as it happened as recently as 2015) indiscretions.

    • Gadfly

      Yesterday on the radio I heard a Bloomberg ad where he played (I’m assuming old) clips of Obama praising him. He’s really pulling out all the stops to boost his poll numbers, but I expect you are right that they will take a hit when people are exposed to unfiltered Bloomberg.

  36. The Late P Brooks

    I laughed at this one from the one about Trump saying medicare for all would bankrupt the country:

    Haha, it’s a trick question! We print our own money, so we can never go bankrupt!

    False.

  37. leon

    RCP average for Nevada looks like Sanders might run away with the whole thing.

    I’m really hoping for a contested convention, because i think that will do a lot to Red Pill some leftists about the Media. And it would be fun and interesting.

    They say it was a chinese curse to live in interesting times. That is because the Chinese didn’t have popcorn.

    • hayeksplosives

      I weep for America’s future when I see that many people clamoring for envy and free stuff with zero self-questioning about how that could ever work.

    • Q Continuum

      “i think that will do a lot to Red Pill some leftists about the Media”

      That might be so, but it certainly won’t push them in a more liberty-friendly direction. If anything, it will convince them to INGSOC HARDER.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      The Dems are so screwed: if Sanders gets the nomination the sane Dems will stay home at the very least, if he doesn’t get it the Bernie Bros will. Their tent is too big and it’s about to come crashing down.

      • Q Continuum

        “Their tent is too insane”

        FIFY.

      • hayeksplosives

        I eagerly await the first LGBTI clash with Shariah law proponents in that tent.

        You can’t have true freedom and rule of law when there’s a separate but equal law for a given “community”. That community is not known for their tolerance either.

      • UnCivilServant

        It’s been happening in the UK around school curricula. I suspect that will be the flashpoint here too.

      • Chipwooder

        Black voter turnout would probably be mediocre at best, too, which will pretty much doom them.

    • Gadfly

      I’m really hoping for a contested convention

      For what it’s worth, Five-Thirty-Eight currently has Sanders tied with “No Majority” as most likely result for the results heading into the Democratic convention.

      They say it was a Chinese curse to live in interesting times. That is because the Chinese didn’t have popcorn.

      I like this. *grabs popcorn*

    • UnCivilServant

      A politician’s goal is always to increase their span of control.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Half the fun of that is forcing it down people’s throats who want no part of it. You’re right, it’s perverse.

      • ChipsnSalsa

        Doing right ain’t got no end.

  38. The Late P Brooks

    Maybe just some soap bars in a sock will work.

    Give him the Willie Nelson treatment, will ya?

    • Ozymandias

      I believe it’s called the “Private Pyle treatment.”

      /Genuflects in front of his GySgt Hartmann statuette

      • Chipwooder

        Did your parents have any children that lived? You’re so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece!

        Contrary to what most people claim, there were no blanket parties in my platoon, and probably not in our entire company. I suspect they’re entirely (or almost entirely, anyway) a relic of an earlier, harder era.

  39. The Late P Brooks

    I weep for America’s future when I see that many people clamoring for envy and free stuff with zero self-questioning about how that could ever work.

    A chicken in every pot.

    We’ll figure out where to get the chickens (and the pots) later.

    VOTE FOR ME.

  40. hayeksplosives

    Libertarian thought nugget:

    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?”
    ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

    • Q Continuum

      TOP. MEN.

    • Chipwooder

      do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind

      Of course they do. Why else would they so desperately seek power over their fellow citizens?

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Well, you can be like Krugabe and believe that Asimov’s Foundation series of books are based in reality.

      • Nephilium

        You mean the books that show that it worked until any random element cropped up and needed a benevolent master race to keep moving things back to the grand plan?

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      I hope you get well soon, I wondered what happened,

  41. The Late P Brooks

    Their tent is too big and it’s about to come crashing down.

    That might have to do with all the little tents pitched inside the big tent, and the internecine turfs wars simmering just beneath the surface.

    • Q Continuum

      “little tents pitched inside the big tent”

      DVDA.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      I’d guess that things like that happen on a regular basis but most have the good sense to keep it under their hat.

  42. hayeksplosives

    Ok, as if to emphasize how great the Glibs are, I wandered to FB where a community page (based on neighborhood geography) had this:

    Best place to get children’s ear piercings? 22m old and 5m old. Pls don’t suggest Claire’s or icing lol

    My response was this:

    My mom made us sisters wait til we were 15. By that time, we didn’t care to get it done. Not pierced to this day, though my sister did in her 20s.

    If your kid is that young, does she really want to pierce her ears, or do you?

    I am being pilloried for my cautioned view. A child is not a fashion accessory. A 5 month old with pierced ears??!??

    • Scruffy Nerfherder

      Why do you want to put unnecessary holes in your kid?

      Or…

      Just go ahead and take them for a tattoo while you’re at it.

      • hayeksplosives

        What is the ago of consent for at ramp stamp tattoo anyway?

      • Yusef drives a Kia

        18 in Cali

    • Atanarjuat

      It’s bizarre how “sexy” people dress young girls. Trust me, our culture will get around to treating them as if their only value is sexual in due time.

      • Chipwooder

        This reminds me of an incident from many years ago. Mom and sis and I went out for pizza one time. My sister was about 13 then, and she was always a very modest type. Not because my parents forced her into it or anything, that’s just the way she was. Anyway, there was a family at the booth across from us with a daughter about the same age who was dressed in tiny shorts and a belly shirt, heavy makeup. She and my sister apparently went to school together because they said hi to each other.

        In the car on the way home, my sister says, “I like her, she’s nice, but I don’t know why she dresses like such a slut.”

      • hayeksplosives

        Teen magazines, that’s why.

        X1000 with internet Instagram “Stars”

      • Mad Scientist

        That and a burning desire for other peoples’ approval.

    • Mojeaux

      My kid wanted pierced ears when she was 10 or so. My mom said, “Not till she’s 14!” I said, “You just wait and see.”

      I took her to get her ears pierced when she was 11. Then the woman started giving her instructions for their care. “every night…twice a day…hurt to sleep on them at first…must take care of them religiously…”

      She had them out within one week.

      My mom’s like, “Oh.”

      So then XX wanted to wear makeup. I told her that I would take her to Macy’s, sit her down at the makeup counter, have the woman make her over, buy every product she used, get a list of detailed cleaning regimen at night, and I would expect her to do this EVERY DAY that she wanted to wear makeup. No shortcuts.

      She wasn’t interested. Way too much work.

      See, I know how to make all the fun stuff unattractive.

      • hayeksplosives

        “See, I know how to make all the fun stuff unattractive.”

        The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Ain’ts.

      • hayeksplosives

        Hypothetical: what if a mom decides to pierce the ears of a 5 month old son? Is that ok? If “no”, What’s the difference?

        What if you have shared custody in a divorce and don’t agree about piercing? Isn’t it obvious that the kid can decide at 15 or so? It’s not like hormone “therapy” where you’d miss a developmental window about piercing ears.

        How about piercing baby bellies and tongues? What’s the intellectual argument to support our instinctive “eewww” on that idea vs ears?

      • UnCivilServant

        You should not be poking new holes in a person unable to consent unless it’s for a lifesaving medical treatment

      • hayeksplosives

        I’ll take that as a principled stance.

        In light of the transgender early and often trends, this is one area I’d like MORE legislation, but in broad stroke language like a constitutional amendment:

        “The rights of an underage person’s physical being to be kept unaltered for non-medical necessities Of a life threatening nature shall not be infringed.”

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        what if a mom decides to pierce the ears of a 5 month old son? Is that ok? If “no”, What’s the difference?

        Well, obviously, that would be because the 5 month old identified as a girl.

      • Mojeaux

        Well, I wasn’t going to say it because then I will feel like I’m above all Those People, but the only people I’ve ever seen pierce a baby’s ears were white trash. That is my association. There, I said it.

        With piercing a baby’s ears, at some point the baby can eventually choose to take out the earrings and let the hole close. If they’re too small to do it themselves, they can just hound their mother. However, by that time it’s just a part of their lives.

        BUT! What I truly think is immoral:

        * taking thousands of pictures of baby/toddler/tween/teen and putting them on the internet for the whole world to watch them grow up so that when they are 18, they have no privacy and nothing of themselves TO themselves, and they cannot control the information.

        * using their social security number to obtain credit and then hitting them with bad credit when they’re 18.

        So in the hierarchy of what one can do to a child without their consent, piercing their ears is waaaaaayyyyyy low on the totem pole.

        Now, you say tongue or tattoo. Are they dangerous? Piercing the tongue certainly is. Are they permanent? A tattoo certainly is.

        Thus, immoral.

      • hayeksplosives

        Agreed on most counts
        I add ear piercing of a child who can’t spell or match socks to that list.

        Social media all life long sounds dreadful. Everyone embarrasses themselves in JR and SR high school, but our embarrassments weren’t videoed and posted to the Web.

        No wonder youth suicide increases.

      • Mojeaux

        I add ear piercing of a child who can’t spell or match socks to that list.

        It’s temporary. When/if the child decides not to have the earrings in, she can just take them out. The hole may or may not close, but no lasting damage is done.

    • Jarflax

      I was pretty live an let live about all of that, kind of figured it was in a female space that was none of my business. Then 3 years running a big real estate conference I was involved with coincided with a preteen cheer/dance competition at the same convention complex. Four to 12 year olds tarted up by their abusive harridan mothers and the hotel security guys wandering the perimeter with ‘known molester’ lists trying to protect the girls. I stopped being live and let live about it. You put your prepubescent in that situation I hold you in contempt.

      • hayeksplosives

        + (and then tragically -) one JonBenet Ramsey.

      • Jarflax

        It wasn’t just the hypersexualization. It was the fact that it was so blatantly being driven by Mom’s wishes not the kid’s. So many of the moms were constantly screaming at, slapping, dragging and constantly ‘fixing’ makeup and adjusting clothes on the girls. Your kids are not your second chance to do something you missed out on.

      • hayeksplosives

        You’ve hit the psychology nail on the head.

    • Not Adahn

      When I lived in TX, Mexican toddler girls would usually have pierced ears.

      • Urthona

        Yes. It’s cultural.

      • Chipwooder

        Very true. Saw it all the time in Arizona.

    • KSuellington

      I am with you on the ear piercing thing. That really seems like something that should be left until the kid is a teen. Then they can decide and it becomes something more important to them because of that choice. Also, it looks frigging tacky to see a baby with pierced ears in my opinion.

  43. The Late P Brooks

    Go big or go home

    Trump Is Going to Cheat

    How should Democrats fight against a president who has no moral or legal compass?

    ——-

    How can Democrats run against a candidate who will simply deny his unpopular positions and make up nonexistent accomplishments? No amount of fact-checking can counter his constant stream of mendacity, which has become white noise in our political culture.

    Lying, of course, is only one challenge. The Democratic nominee will also have to contend with cheating. After the 2016 election, the journalist Katy Tur offered an applicable analogy. She said that what made covering Trump as a reporter and running against him as a candidate so difficult was the way that scandals stuck—or didn’t stick—to him. Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state was like a stain on her shirt that people couldn’t get past, because it was the only mark on an otherwise clean shirt. But Trump had so many stains that “you couldn’t tell if it was a stained shirt or if it was just supposed to be that way.”

    The many ways Trump pushes the boundaries of what is acceptable political behavior, breaking norms and maybe even laws along the way to get what he wants, are so varied and numerous as to be blinding.

    Sometimes his cheating is obvious, the equivalent of the kid in math class who leans over and copies your answers to the test. For example, he was impeached for tying aid to Ukraine to that country’s investigation of the Biden family—that is, for trying to hurt his then-likely rival in the 2020 election. He was nonetheless acquitted by a Senate Republican majority.

    ——-

    Sarada Peri
    Former senior speechwriter for President Barack Obama

    I trust a former Obama speechwriter to tell me the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Lying Orange Liar is lying. Q E D.

    How do these people not just burst into flames as they say/write this stuff?

    • Chipwooder

      Katy Tur thinks George Washington was a New Yorker and that people get 30 year auto loans. Katy Tur is a complete fucking moron. Very appropriate person to cite for an Obama speechwriter.

      • Chipwooder

        Oh man, I only skimmed it the first time so I missed this howler:

        Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state was like a stain on her shirt that people couldn’t get past, because it was the only mark on an otherwise clean shirt.

        Go on, pull the other one. The woman who’s been neck-deep in corruption going back to when her husband was governor of Arkansas has an “otherwise clean shirt”? Geddafuckoutta here with that horseshit.

      • hayeksplosives

        He is just trying not to be suicided.

        But yeah, even leftie feminists who want her to win know she’s as corrupt AF.

      • Rebel Scum

        +1 vast right-wing conspiracy.

        Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state was like a stain on her shirt

        She committed a few felonies every time she clicked “send”. But nothing to see here.

      • mindyourbusiness

        +1 Lybia

      • R C Dean

        You know who else had a stain on her clothes?

    • Mad Scientist

      People believe what they want to believe.

    • cyto

      Funny. I mean laugh out loud funny.

      From the DNC, who rigged that primary and who actually colluded with Russia to get dirt on their opponent, and from a speechwriter who worked in the white house that orchestrated the use of the IRS to attack conservative advocacy groups – that’s speech y’all – and spied on the opposing presidential candidate with the CIA, FBI and State department….. And who openly conspired to frame that opponent so they could initiate an investigation after leaving office. (see NYT, March 3, 2017)

      But yeah… Trump is the one who’s gonna cheat.

      Oh, I forgot. The DNC is already rigging this primary right out in the open. Changed their rules to keep out undesirables like Tulsi Gabbard, then changed them back in the middle of the race so they could replace Biden with Bloomberg.

    • Rebel Scum

      his unpopular positions and make up nonexistent accomplishments

      The man is a menace that hasn’t done anything and is so unpopular he stays cooped up in the White House not filling stadiums at rallies.

      • cyto

        Boy, do they try hard to downplay that stuff. Warren talks to a half-full civic center that seats 1,500 and they feature it on every national broadcast. Trump fills a stadium with thousands outside unable to get in… barely a mention it. Unless he says something they can spin as “mean” or ” racist” or “ignorant”.

      • UnCivilServant

        Any yet those five online friends of each of those rally goers amounts to more people hearing about the turnout at the rally than the audience of the traditional media by their own ratings.

      • cyto

        Good point.

  44. The Late P Brooks

    More:

    Perhaps the most troubling form of cheating is the most diffuse, and therefore the hardest to grasp. Trump’s reelection campaign, abetted by right-wing media and companies like Facebook that have absolved themselves of any democratic responsibility, is waging a disinformation war modeled on the efforts of dictators and unprecedented in its scale. As reported by this magazine, the campaign is prepared to spend $1 billion to harness digital media to the president’s advantage, including bot attacks, viral conspiracy theories, doctored videos, and microtargeted ads that distort reality.

    Repeat, repeat, repeat.

    • Rebel Scum

      No one has ever run dishonest campaign ads before.

      • cyto

        Bloomberg just unleashed a new set this weekend. Touting himself as having ended discrimination against black-owned companies.

        No, really. He did that. Finally black-owned companies can do business in a major American city.

        (maybe I’m just a bit jaded, having come from Atlanta, where your complexion is the primary determining factor in obtaining city contracts. So much so that there’s an entire class of very wealthy black folks who’s entire business consists of acting as a primary contractor and passing the work off to a “regular” company)

      • Rebel Scum

        Has he never heard of DBE requirements?

      • cyto

        That would come under the heading of “dishonest campaign ads”

    • cyto

      Facebook… Right wing! LOL

      Didn’t they have Amanda Marcotte heading up their “non-partisan truth commission” that was designed to flag “fake news”?

      • Chipwooder

        Was it Facebook or Twitter that put Anita Sarkisian on its star chamber review board? I forget.

      • cyto

        Sarkesian. That was it. I get those two confused….

        I’m pretty sure it was a facebook thing. but If I was wrong about the who, I’m probably wrong about the what.

        And that stuff has been memory holed. No combination of search terms can come up with who was on that committee. Or even that it existed. For crying out loud, it was everywhere for about 18 months when the left was pushing it.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        It was the Twitter Trust and Safety Council

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        And it still exists

      • cyto

        That took too long to find.

        https://reason.com/2016/02/09/new-trust-and-safety-council-is-twitter/

        it took “site:reason.com fact check commission twitter” plus a custom date range to find it.

        And it was twitter.

        so I got everything wrong.

        But Facebook was looking to copy the thing… and facebook, google, twitter all colluded to ghost the same folks as a group. So the confusion is somewhat warranted.

      • Scruffy Nerfherder

        Twitter

        Facebook tolerates conservative thought by not censoring it outright. Therefore Facebook is right wing.

      • cyto

        Don’t they defer to Snopes to determine what is real and what is worthy of ghosting?

      • AlexinCT

        Any entity that is not a complete and total dnc shill, actively punishing anyone that doesn’t peddle the narrative and tries to inform the unwashed rubes about the criminal and corrupt behavior of team blue, is right wing. At least the team rd idiots are more selective in their accusations of bias levied against the other side and understand that sometimes you just can’t blatantly suppress information so people remain unaware of real ugly shit you are doing.

    • hayeksplosives

      This idea that media exposure, whether TV commercials, FB memes, radio, print can “steal” an election is ludicrous. In the end, voters vote individually. If they were fooled by this ad or that, or divined an answer in the tea leaves, Who cares? How is that different from “I vote blue cuz my union leader told me to.”

      Stealing elections is literally faking counts, smuggling in ineligible voters from one district to another. I’m aware of only one major party to be caught doing this, and it ain’t Trump’s.

      • cyto

        Nobody even blinks any more. Al Franken won on a very suspicious recount where one county (county? precinct?) had more votes than voters, and 100% were for him. It didn’t even garner a raised eyebrow anywhere.

        Meanwhile, some lady gets pulled over in Miami-Dade for doing 55 in a 35 and it is a national news story about a plot to suppress the black vote.

    • leon

      abetted by right-wing media and companies like Facebook that have absolved themselves of any democratic responsibility,

      Companies have a democratic responsibility to censor people i don’t like…

      Fuck you.

  45. The Late P Brooks

    And- the big finish:

    Should the lying and cheating fail—should the Democrat manage to win the 2020 election—Trump will have one more trick up his sleeve. Before the 2016 election, he suggested that he might not accept a defeat. So who’s to say that he will accept one in 2020? You don’t have to squint hard to see the clues: He retweeted Jerry Falwell Jr.’s suggestion that he ought to have two years added to his term and “joked” about staying in office longer than eight years. If he loses in November, the litigious showman might claim that the election was rigged against him and theatrically contest the results in court.

    The cumulative effect of Trump’s efforts, of all the stains on his shirt, is to disorient the media and the electorate. Democrats, meanwhile, are fighting about how aggressive to get on climate change or whether debt-free college should be means-tested—bless their hearts. These are worthy questions, but not the question of the moment: How they should fight against a president who has no moral or legal compass, and who will use the full might of the executive branch to win?

    Electability, ultimately, cannot rest on the shoulders of whomever the party nominates, talented though that person may be. Electability does not depend, simply, on the nominee’s ability to earn the votes of a wide array of Americans in a few battleground states. It depends on all Americans’ willingness to demand an election that is, indeed, free and fair.

    We’ll beat him fair and square, because every true blue American despises him, and he will refuse to accept the results of a free and fair election, because he’s just that kind of guy. And if he does manage to pull the rabbit out of his hat gain, it will only be because he cheated, and no American should accept the results of a tainted and corrupt election.

    His depravity and contempt for the norms of polite Beltway society are limitless. He is a stain and an insult. America must be washed clean. Who will rid us of this pestilential beast?

    • Ozymandias

      And this is why I can’t wait for the wailing and gnashing of teeth this next election. What I think people don’t realize is that idiots like this are getting louder and louder because they are an increasingly diminishing minority of the population. Look at CNN’s ratings, and MSNBC’s, compared to Fox’s, for example. The MSM is becoming an increasingly smaller and smaller percentage of the electorate and so they have to scream even louder about “right wing Facebook.” It’s funny, really. The urban elites have shat upon Mr. and Mrs. Middle America for decades and now they can’t figure out why they’re losing elections, even the ones they’ve rigged.

      • Jarflax

        I hope you are correct. I fear you are optimistic. I don’t see formerly blue States turning hard red. I do see formerly red States turning hard blue, Co and Va being the prime examples. If the Republicans want to win elections going forward they need to make inroads with Black and Hispanic voters. And no, Miami’s Cuban population does not count for this. They need to get up around 50% with Hispanic voters and 30% with Black voters to be unstoppable, 40% and 20% make them dominant. If they stay at 30% and under 10% the demographic shifts will see them lose every time.

      • UnCivilServant

        The demographic shifts that never seem to materialize? A lot of Hispanics seem to turn white over time.

      • Jarflax

        Whites as a percentage of the US population have gone down roughly 3% per census since 1960. Blacks have slightly (something like .5% per census) increased over that period. Hispanics (of all races) have increased by more than 3% per census, meaning that non-Hispanic whites have decreased by more than 3% per. I am not sure what you mean by ‘never seem to materialize’ It was a big driver in California switching from the Red State that elected Nixon and Reagan to the Blue bastion it is today.

      • R C Dean

        What’s the increase in Hispanic citizens in CA, as compared to the increase in total Hispanic residents?

      • Jarflax

        Since 1980 it has gone from 2/3 non-Hispanic white 19% Hispanic to roughly equal at 38% each today (with a small decline in the non-hispanic white population). So yes, the trend is more significant in California than elsewhere. But my point is that the Republicans need to figure this out.

        There is nothing inherent in any race that drives this disparity in voting behavior. It is all image and perception. But the Democrats have consistently pulled 65-70% of Hispanic votes and 90% of black votes for decades now because the republicans have made no serious effort at campaigning in those communities except in Florida with the Cubans. The Black people I deal with are inherently conservative in their outlooks, but they vote Democrat because they believe that Republicans are racist.

      • R C Dean

        Since 1980 it has gone from 2/3 non-Hispanic white 19% Hispanic to roughly equal at 38% each today (with a small decline in the non-hispanic white population).

        Is that citizens/registered voters? Or total population?

      • UnCivilServant

        In the census data, ‘Hispanic’ is just a meta label almost custom designed for obfuscation instead of elucidation. So the question is, your 2.5% per decade is what then? Mostly asian?

      • Jarflax

        It is almost all Hispanic. The vast majority are Mexican and central American. The 3% per decade decline is in Whites including Hispanic Whites. The non Hispanic White population is now at around 62%. I am not sure what you and RC Deen think I am saying here that is so controversial. If the Republicans keep getting 60% of a steadily declining White vote and 30% of a steadily increasing Hispanic vote they stop winning elections eventually. Right now that translates into:

        .6 * 62% = 37.2%
        .3 * 18% = 5.4%
        .1 *13% = 1.3%

        43.9% Team R 49.1% not Team R

        with the other 7% being Asians around and multi racial (who identify as such) ( I do not have stats on their voting)

      • UnCivilServant

        You said “White has gone down by 3%, black up by 0.5%” Since hispanic is not a separate category on that chart but a meta category that gets slapped on whites and blacks in an 88/12 proportion, who is the 2.5% in the gap for 50 years? That would be 12.5% of the population – almost as big as the black population.

      • R C Dean

        If the Republicans keep getting 60% of a steadily declining White vote and 30% of a steadily increasing Hispanic vote they stop winning elections eventually.

        My concern with the numbers is that a lot of the Hispanic population in CA (as in, millions) aren’t eligible to vote and should be irrelevant to an electoral calculus. The numbers probably don’t look as compelling if you only count eligible voters. It would be a change in rate, but not the direction of the trend, true.

        And it would only matter if we clamped down on voter fraud, as well.

      • Jarflax

        You said “White has gone down by 3%, black up by 0.5%” Since hispanic is not a separate category on that chart but a meta category that gets slapped on whites and blacks in an 88/12 proportion, who is the 2.5% in the gap for 50 years? That would be 12.5% of the population – almost as big as the black population.

        Hispanic is a separate category. I understand your point, but it is not valid as a counter to mine. No Hispanic isn’t a race, I don’t care about race. It is an identified demographic however, and demographics matter in elections. There are two categories of white tracked, Whites including Hispanic Caucasians and white-Non-Hispanic. Hispanics are also tracked, which includes both Hispanic Caucasians and non Caucasians (they do not track black Hispanics in any source I looked at, and most of the non -Caucasian Hispanics are meso-American Indian, or mixed race Between Caucasian and Indian)

        The White population (non-Hispanic) is not growing significantly The Hispanic Population is growing faster than other populations (Asian is actually growing fastest at the moment, and if you think Hispanic is a catchall ….) the Hispanic Non-White Population is growing faster than the Hispanic Population as a whole.

      • UnCivilServant

        I am not making a point, I am trying to make sense of your numbers. The census does not track ‘hispanic’ as something separate from white/black/indian/other in the main breakdown.

        This is why I’m asking about that 12.5% gap.

      • Jarflax

        I mostly used this, and a few other sites that I didn’t leave open.

      • Jarflax

        #$%^&* this

      • leon

        There is nothing inherent in any race that drives this disparity in voting behavior. It is all image and perception. But the Democrats have consistently pulled 65-70% of Hispanic votes and 90% of black votes for decades now because the republicans have made no serious effort at campaigning in those communities except in Florida with the Cubans. The Black people I deal with are inherently conservative in their outlooks, but they vote Democrat because they believe that Republicans are racist.

        I think this is a very actuate and fair statement about the perceptions of the electorate. And i think the GOP will fail as a national party (and it deserves to) if it doesn’t clean up its reputation. How it does that without resorting to base racial pandering like the Dems however is complicated. White people make up a large portion of the GOP electorate. Playing the same game as the Dems would only hasten the fall of the GOP.

        On the flip side the Democratic party is playing a dangerous game to be burning bridges with the white population. The last thing they want is the majority to start acting like a majority in a democracy.

      • R C Dean

        And i think the GOP will fail as a national party (and it deserves to) if it doesn’t clean up its reputation.

        The question is, how? People don’t change these perceptions easily, nor do they change their lifetime voting patterns easily. The Dems will throw everything they have, which is a lot, at fighting any change in this perception. So how would the Repubs go about it?

      • leon

        I honestly don’t know if it is possible.

        I think it would be interesting to investigate why the perception of the GOP being racists is such. I have a few theories for why this is the case.

        1. There is the “Parties switched narrative”. This is taught universally to anyone who questions why the Dems are not the racist party when they were all the way up to the 60s and the Civil rights era.

        2. The South. As long as the south makes up a large coalition of the GOP voting block, it will be easy to pin the GOP as a party of racists. Also, and i say this as person of southern decent, flying the stars and bars at rallies makes it too easy to say: these are a bunch of white supremacists.

        3. White People. White people make up a larger portion of GOP voters. Couple with this and that it is mostly White Men, and you have a party that represents the quintessential American villain. You cannot escape modern public schooling without coming out with a shaded belief about White Men.

      • R C Dean

        If the Republicans want to win elections going forward they need to make inroads with Black and Hispanic voters.

        If we’re going to play racial games, you get the same bump from 1 – 2% of the white vote as you do from 10% of the Black or Hispanic votes. Which is easier to pick up?

        If the Repubs want to win elections going forward, they have got to clean up our election security as priority 1. I can think of at least 3 Senate elections that were stolen by voter fraud, and Allah only knows how many House or state level elections.

      • cyto

        I think the calculus is: If the Democrats don’t keep getting 95% of the black vote, they are toast. Even 80/20 would be the end of their run.

      • Raston Bot

        despite having a relatively hands-off approach from the state, low crime rates, and a thriving business environment, the voters in Virginia decided that the government wasn’t big enough and taxes weren’t high enough. i have no fucking clue what the problem was that required a massive shift in governing philosophy. but the voters are getting damn near every crackpot leftist Dem item on their wish list. they took the reins and changed course. i sure hope shit doesn’t get worse, b/c obviously the Dems have no intention of owning that.

      • Chipwooder

        It was entirely driven by the rapid growth of the DC metro area. A bunch of locusts moved in from the Northeast (mostly), and proceeded to set about turning our state into a doppelganger of the states they moved from.

        That, plus voter fraud.

    • Fatty Bolger

      So if he wins, he cheated, and the results should not be accepted. But if he doesn’t win, he won’t accept the results, because that’s the kind of guy he is. ?‍♂️

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      They’re just preparing the illegitimate election therefore illegitimate president ground early now that they realize he’s likely to win. I’d expect nothing less.

      • Not Adahn

        D’s haven’t accepted an R won the prexy elexy since 1988.

      • Rebel Scum

        Indeed. The narrative has been set into motion.

  46. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of garbage in, garbage out

    For nearly a decade, the EPA team had worked closely with another group of engineers in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA, pronounced nits-uh) to write the federal tailpipe-pollution standards, one of the most consequential climate protections in American history. The two teams had done virtually all the technical research—testing engines in a lab, interviewing scientists and automakers, and overseeing complex economic simulations—underpinning the rules, which have applied to every new car and light truck, including SUVs and vans, sold in the United States since 2012.

    Their collaboration was historic. Even as SUVs, crossovers, and pickups have gobbled up the new-car market, the rules have pushed the average fuel economy—the distance a vehicle can travel per gallon of gas—to record highs. They have saved Americans $500 billion at the pump, according to the nonpartisan Consumer Federation of America, and kept hundreds of millions of tons of carbon pollution out of the air. So as the call connected, Alson and the other EPA engineers thought it was time to get back to work. Donald Trump had recently ordered a review of the rules.

    Speaking from Washington, James Tamm, the NHTSA fuel-economy chief, greeted the EPA team, then put a spreadsheet on-screen. It showed an analysis of the tailpipe rules’ estimated costs and benefits. Alson had worked on this kind of study so many times that he could recall some of the key numbers “by heart,” he later told me.

    Yet as Alson looked closer, he realized that this study was like none he had seen before. For years, both NHTSA and the EPA had found that the tailpipe rules saved lives during car accidents because they reduced the weight—and, with it, the lethality—of the heaviest SUVs. In 2015, an outside panel of experts concurred with them.

    ——-

    To change a federal rule, the executive branch must do its homework and publish an economic study arguing why the update is necessary. But Trump’s official justification for SAFE is honeycombed with errors. The most dramatic is that NHTSA’s model mixed up supply and demand: The agency calculated that as cars got more expensive, millions more people would drive them, and the number of traffic accidents would increase, my reporting shows. This error—later dubbed the “phantom vehicles” problem—accounted for the majority of incorrect costs in the SAFE study that the Trump administration released in 2018. It is what made SAFE look safe.

    OMFG those guys used a different set of assumptions!

    Hysterical shrieking about Trump’s “rollback” of Obama CAFE numbers.

    I’m not sure if I can slog mt way through to the end.

    • leon

      The two teams had done virtually all the technical research—testing engines in a lab, interviewing scientists and automakers, and overseeing complex economic simulations—underpinning the rules, which have applied to every new car and light truck, including SUVs and vans, sold in the United States since 2012.

      I mean in true scientific fashion, any teams results should be critiqued for their assumptions and open to being countertested and verified.

      • AlexinCT

        They did all that work, then chose whatever would allow them to do what the watermelon movement wanted, and ignored anything that hurt that agenda.

  47. The Late P Brooks

    They have saved Americans $500 billion at the pump, according to the nonpartisan Consumer Federation of America, and kept hundreds of millions of tons of carbon pollution out of the air.

    What was their nonpartisan estimate of the up front cost to obtain these “savings”?

    • Fatty Bolger

      No price is too high to pay to defeat Carbon Dioxide once and for all.

      Some day soon, all Carbon Dioxide will be eliminated from the Earth’s atmosphere. Only then can life thrive on this planet!

  48. The Late P Brooks

    Random question:

    We all know how obsessed the Dems are with the monolithic Black Body vote.
    How do we suppose turnout will be affected by the presence of a Candidate Bernie?

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Trump is the answer

    • Swiss Servator

      He wins, and a whole lot of people of every color will stay home, go third party or vote TEAM RED.

    • cyto

      This is the great mystery.

      The democrat machine was clearly scared of GW Bush in 2000. The level of racist propaganda we received that election cycle was off the charts. Bush was well known for having great relationships with minority communities and for having lots of diversity in his administration. So that was Armageddon to the left.

      We got 8.5×11″ heavy slick mailers with pictures of crosses burning and racist messages about Bush and Republicans. We even got a picture of the back of a pickup truck with Texas plates, and bloody chains hanging from the back.

      There was a reason Kanye said “George Bush doesn’t care about Black people”. It was a concerted marketing campaign. It was vital that black voters not be able to see him as anything other than racist. Even if his top advisers were Condi Rice and Colin Powell.

      The same is true with Trump. Long a friend to the gay community… his candidacy suddenly made him a homophobic terror. And he is totally a white supremacist. They have hammered that since the summer of 2016.

      Because if ever a Republican gets a sniff of the black vote, their party is finished.

      And they know that on the issues, most black voters align more closely with the conservatives.

      So far it has worked. I have been predicting a break in the wall ever since Jack Kemp. My ex worked on his campaign, so I thought it was a slam dunk that the monolith was done. But then 2000 happened. I couldn’t believe the racist stuff that was tossed about. And that stuff works.

      So who knows. Will anyone ever break through? Black people should love Trump. He’s right in their wheelhouse and has delivered on employment issues. But somehow I doubt He’s gonna break 10%.

      But turnout might be really low. Which maybe is as far as they are willing to go.

      • Gadfly

        Will anyone ever break through?

        Yes, but I bet it won’t happen until the Rs nominate a non-white candidate. Because then the propaganda screaming “racist” will seem not just over the top, but absurd. People can buy hyperbole much easier than absurdity.

      • cyto

        Actually that might not work.

        For some reason, the vitriol hurled at Black Republicans is even thicker and more heartfelt. Clarence Thomas. JC Watts, Keys, Caine…. they hate those guys.

        Anything that might break down that wall. Look how hard they came after Sara Palin.

        Symbols that go against the narrative will not be tolerated. They are race traitors. (or gender traitors)

      • AlexinCT

        UNCLE TOM!

      • R C Dean

        Perhaps necessary, but not sufficient. Any Repub-associated national figure is tarred as an Uncle Tom, and none of them have moved the needle on the perception that the GOP is racist. Not sure how or why a Presidential nominee would change that dynamic.

        It would be interesting for Trump to thank Pence for his service, and go with a black VP candidate. Would the usual Dem denunciation of “tokenism”, etc. nullify that?

      • R C Dean

        Because if ever a Republican gets a sniff of the black vote, their party is finished.

        I hear this, and I used to believe it, but I wonder. How much of the black vote is concentrated in Deep Blue states, where Repubs going from 10% to 20% of the black vote probably wouldn’t make a difference? How much of the black vote is in Purple states, where a shift like that might make a difference?

        And, how many black voters would switch without pandering that might alienate even more white voters?

        I’m not saying its a bad theory, but it smells of a truism that hasn’t really been tested. And a national analysis is pretty much useless, because we have no, zip, zero national elections. It has to be state-by-state, at a minimum, and preferably go to the House district level.

      • Gadfly

        How much of the black vote is in Purple states, where a shift like that might make a difference?

        Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and North Carolina are places where it would make a difference, off the top of my head.

    • Atanarjuat

      Bernie polled badly with the black community last time. Rapper “Killer Mike” did a series of events with him to try to help. For some reason he is the favorite of the minorities this time around. Maybe because Biden was a hardcore drug warrior / law and order type for decades.

      But I doubt turnout will be high amongst that demographic.

  49. Swiss Servator

    pediatrician Hans Asperger

    You mean “Glibs Patron Saint, Hans Asperger”… right?

    • robc

      But he has been denamed, Asperergers isnt a diagnosis anymore, its all just a spectrum.

    • UnCivilServant

      Trump later found out he could not “reverse-pardon” Hillary

  50. Spudalicious

    How the hell are all of you already awake?

    • UnCivilServant

      Because it’s almost noon. I’ve been at work more than half a workday already. I’ve got three hours left.

      • Spudalicious

        It’s not even ten.

      • UnCivilServant

        Clearly your clocks are set to the wrong time zone, but even at ten, I’d be almost to half a workday already.

  51. The Late P Brooks

    From the “pollution” story:

    “You didn’t have the A team doing the analysis here… If you shut out the people who know what they’re doing, this is what you get,” Jack Lienke, a law professor at NYU and the regulatory-policy director at the Institute for Policy Integrity, told me.

    “If the experts—who are actually within the agency issuing this proposal—thought that the assumptions being made were unreasonable, that makes a judge a lot more comfortable saying it is arbitrary and capricious.”

    “We don’t agree with the assumptions they used. Them dum. Us smert.”

    Journalist transcribes assertion made by disaffected bureaucrat. Game, set, match.

  52. R C Dean

    Why to be skeptical that the Wuhan virus isn’t serious and is under control:

    Hubei announced Sunday that all vehicle traffic will be banned across the province, expanding on an existing ban in Wuhan, in another step to try to stop the spread of the virus.

    Measures like this are costing ChiCom apparatchiks millions, if not billions, of dollars. They wouldn’t keep ramping it up if what they are telling us about the severity and spread of the virus were true.

    • AlexinCT

      Read “The Stand”!