Five Rifles You Should Shoot Before You Die
Every enthusiastic shooter and collector has a list of guns they want to own, or maybe just to shoot. How to narrow it down?
Well, that is not easy. But I have managed to narrow my recommended list of rifles down to five. So, without further ado, here are five rifles you should shoot before you die, in no particular order.
Winchester Model 1873
The 1873 Winchester
I know I said, “in no particular order,” but The Gun That Won the West is the exception. While preceded by the 1860 Henry and the 1866 Winchester, if was the ’73 Winchester that made the name “Winchester” synonymous with “repeating rifle.” So why the Model 73 and not one of its famous predecessors – or successors? Here’s why:
In production for fifty years, from 1873 to 1923, the 1873 was only produced in cartridges also used in revolvers, from the .22 Long Rifle (rare) to the .44 WCF, better known as the .44-40 Winchester. About 720,000 guns were made, which means that it is not terribly difficult to find a shootable example even today, ninety-seven years after the end of production.
It is important to note that you can now buy a brand-new Model 1873. In 2013, ninety years after production of the Gun That Won the West ceased, Olin/Winchester brought back the Model 1873, made in Mikoru, Japan, along with most other Winchester and Browning-labeled arms. I’ve handled but not fired one of the new Winchesters and the feel and balance are essentially the same, although the new rifles have an improved ejector (the originals had an unfortunate tendency to kick hot brass back towards the shooter) and a safety mechanism that doesn’t allow the hammer to drop unless the trigger is pulled. Uberti also makes an excellent and somewhat more faithful replica.
If you get the chance, though, try an original, and when you are shooting, try to imagine all the tales that old rifle could tell, if only it could speak.
Winchester Model 70 (Pre-64)
A pre-64 Model 70.`
There is a reason the pre-64 Winchester Model 70 was called the Rifleman’s Rifle. This ultimate development of the ’98 Mauser was a refinement of the also-excellent Winchester Model 54. The Model 70 entered production in 1936 and is still in production today, although the pre-1964 versions command a well-deserved premium in price. Here’s why:
The original Model 70 (like the newer ‘Classic’ versions) use a big Mauser claw-type extractor and a controlled-feed system, wherein the cartridge is picked up from the magazine by the extractor and fed securely into the chamber; the Mauser extractor maintains its grip on the case rim from feeding through firing and ejection, resulting in a very reliable action.
General fit and finish were much finer on the pre-64 guns. A better grade of wood was used, with cut checkering; the polish and bluing were generally better, and the guns just showed overall better craftsmanship.
When Winchester decided to re-make the Model 70 in 1964, one of the gun writers they informed was Jack O’Connor, long a proponent of the Winchester bolt gun. At that time, O’Connor wrote: “I was informed by Winchester brass that the Model 70 was being redesigned. I told them that I was glad to get the information so I could lay in four or five more before they loused the rifle up. Then I saw the pilot model of ‘New Model 70.’ At the first glimpse I like to fell into a swoon. The action was simplified, the trigger guard and floor plate made of a flimsy looking one-piece stamping.”[i]
Despite this, the post-64 Model 70 was still a decent rifle. There was even one improvement. The post-64 bolt head completely enclosed the case head, adding strength to the design, but that was offset by the cheap aluminum floorplate and trigger guard and the lower-quality stock with stamped checkering. However, it was still a good enough rifle to prompt O’Connor to amend his earlier statement: “Actually the post-1964 Model 70 is not a bad rifle in spite of the fact that rifle aficionados have never taken it to their bosoms the way they did its predecessor. It is a stronger action than the pre-1964. The head of the bolt encloses the head of the case. It has a small, neat hook extractor, which is adequate. With this extractor the cartridge is not as surely controlled as it is with the Mauser-type extractor. However, the new model seldom gives feeding problems.”[ii]
About 700,000 Model 70s were made prior to the 1964 retooling. If you want to experiment with the Rifleman’s Rifle, try to find a pre-64, but as with many things, in this question there really is no wrong answer. Pick up any Model 70 made from 1936 to today and you are handling a fine rifle.
Browning Automatic Rifle
The new BAR.
No, not that BAR, although that would be fun as well. In 1966, the Browning Arms company introduced something new: A commercial, gas-operated semi-auto that handled full-length and even magnum rifle cartridges. In fact, the BAR is the only semi-auto (aside from the clunky and awkward-looking Benelli R1) that handles my favorite big-game round, the .338 Winchester Magnum. So why this rifle and not another, more hip, more modern semi-auto? Here’s why:
The BAR, like the Model 70, is still in production, and is in fact still made by the folks at the FN plant in Belgium. Like so many manufacturers, Browning has allowed the BAR to be offered with camouflage, all-black and various other Tacticool-seeming finishes, but you can still get this fine arm in what Browning calls Safari Grade; this version still offers fine walnut furniture and high-polished blued steel. I am something of a traditionalist myself, and so would prefer the Safari Grade, but as my late Grandpa used to say, ‘every cat its own rat.’
For some years now I have toyed with finding a BAR in my favored .338 Win Mag, but to date the only one I have had a chance to fire was a long-action version in .270 Winchester. It was a joy to shoot, with the eight-pound weight and gas operation reducing recoil to almost beneath notice. Empty cases pinged reliably out to the right rear, and I had no trouble keeping the ten rounds I fired in a 4” circle at a hundred yards, shooting from the sitting position. The commercial BAR is an interesting piece.
Remington Model 8/81
The Piano Leg.
We have seen state-of-the-art, so let us also include one of the first commercially produced semi-auto sporting rifle, the famous old Remington “piano leg.” Here’s why:
In 1900, the great John Browning was granted U.S. Patent #659,786, for a long-recoil action semi-automatic centerfire rifle, which would be the first commercially successful semi-auto centerfire rifle sole in the United States. As were so many Browning designs, the rifle was built in Belgium by FN for non-U.S. sale, being called the FN Model 1900; but in the United States the design was licensed to Remington, who built it from 1905 to 1911 as the “Remington Autoloading Rifle,” from 1911 to 1936 as the Remington Model 8, and from 1936 to the end of its production in 1950 as the Model 81.
The new auto fired four proprietary rounds especially designed for this piece, including the .25 Remington, .30 Remington and .32 Remington, which were essentially rimless versions of the .25-35, .30-30 and .32 Special rounds. They also introduced the .35 Remington, a new design, a good mid-range thumper of a woods cartridge that remains in use today.
In 1936, the Model 81 was introduced, featuring several improvements in the action, and offering the .300 Savage chambering, giving the old piano leg a round that rivaled the later .308 Winchester in performance.
The Model 8/81 rifles are funny-looking things by today’s standards. They were clunky and awkward in appearance, with a heavy full-length barrel jacket that formed part of the long-recoil action adapted from the Auto-5 shotgun. But they had one great virtue: Like most Browning designs, they worked, and they kept on working, unusual for a first-generation semi-auto. You do not have to go too far to find one in the game fields even today, with 150,000+ rifles built. A childhood friend of mine’s Dad had a Model 81 in .300 Savage, and he took a great deal of game with it. The “piano leg” is a singular piece; there is not another rifle quite like it.
Sharps
The famous Sharps.
Note that I do not specify a model or caliber here. There are just too many original variants and replicas available to land on any one in particular. So why the Sharps, as opposed to the Remington rolling-block, or the Martini-Henry, or any other black-powder era singles? Here’s why:
With a history that spans from Christian Sharps himself to Matthew Quigley and on to the present day, the 1848 introduction of the falling-block single-shot breechloader would rattle a lot of cages in the gun world. The original Sharps rifles used a paper cartridge and either a musket cap or tape primer to fire the charge, but later the Sharps would become one of the few rifles to smoothly make the transition to brass cartridges, eventually being offered in .45-70, .45-110 and .45-120 rounds, among others. The Sharps even broke into movie stardom, when a Uberti Sharps replica co-starred in the 1990 film Quigley Down Under with Tom Selleck, Alan Rickman, and the rather delectable Laura San Giacomo. In one famous scene from that film, the aforementioned Matthew Quigley (Selleck) waits patiently on a hilltop for two minions of the villain Marston (Rickman) to line up so he can use the famously accurate Sharps to send one bullet through both; to this day, killing two enemies with one shot is known in the military sniper community as “pulling a Quigley.”
The Sharps ushered in an era of solid single-shot falling-block rifles, starting a family that included such greats as the Browning/Winchester Low-Wall and Hi-Wall and the Ruger #1/#3 singles. An interesting side note: The original Sharps Rifle Company closed its doors in 1881, but the last rifle designed and produced there was the Sharps Model 1878 Sharps/Borchardt, designed by a German, Hugo Borchardt, who also designed the toggle-actioned Borchardt pistol that became the parent design of the P08 pistol – making the last Sharps rifle a first cousin of the German Luger.
There are originals floating around, many in shootable condition, but there are also excellent replicas, including the Uberti “Quigley” Sharps. They are great rifles to this day, heavy, accurate and powerful. Once you learn to allow for the rainbow trajectory of the old black powder rounds they are designed to use, you will find them a lot of fun to shoot.
In Conclusion
You will notice, unusually given my admiration for the man, that only one of these is a John Browning design (the BAR was introduced well after John’s death, and was designed by John’s grandson, Bruce Warren Browning, along with FN’s Marcel Olinger.)
There’s an old saw that goes “Wealthy guys shoot shotguns. Riflemen are generally broke.” I guess I am somewhere in between. As I have grown older and financially more comfortable, I have tended to favor old shotguns more, particularly Brownings and Winchesters; I have made no secret of my love for the Model 12, for example.
But I still love a good, accurate, reliable rifle, and if you need a tool for serious business, a rifle is what you want. The guns on this list are good examples; all solid, all reliable, all interesting in their histories and their design. If you get the chance to shoot one, grab it!
Next: Revolvers!
[i] Jack O’Connor, The Rifle Book, 3rd Edition, p. 57, Alfred A Knopf (1978)
[ii] ibid
I have to disagree.
While I wouldn’t turn down the opportunity to shoot anything in this set, I wouldn’t seek it out either. It’s just a lot of… well, okayness.
This added nothing to my Gunbroker watch list. ?
I did enjoy reading the article though.
Ditto.
I’m an admitted semi-auto fanboy.
Those look expensive.
And the really poors? What do we shoot?
the shit
22LR Zip guns
10/22s which are fine.
For plinking, yes. But you do have to have a big boy caliber for self-defense.
A larger caliber is preferable but I wouldn’t feel too bad with a 10/22 with a high cap mag of hyper velocities next to my bed.
Put enough lead downrange and it won’t matter
Want you want is A Swarm of Angry Bees.
Hey, Kinnath,
I’ve been forgetting to ask you, ’til now. I remember you had a heavy frost when your trees were in blossom. What was the extent of the damage?
What’s production look like now?
I need to check. I have two apple trees that have one or two apples on them. There was one pear that looked like it set many pears, but I have not checked it recently.
And it doesn’t do much good for the flowers to survive if the bees are all hiding someplace because it is cold.
Kel-Tecs
Lots of Taurus.
The phrase, “JuSt Az gUD!!!” gets thrown around a lot.
I’m fine with my Taurus! *sobbing*
*lights Fuente Opus X Perfecxion No. 2 with $100 bill, blows smoke in Chipwooder’s face*
the Martini-Henry, or any other black-powder era singles?
I have considered adding a Martini-Henry or a Springfield Trapdoor to my collection.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/503867-brett-favre-says-kaepernick-deserves-hero-status-like-former-nfl-star-pat
Why Brett? Why!?!?
How feasible would it be for someone, familiar with old-timey rifles ( like a Marshal of an old-timey wild west town) , to be able to tell what kind of rifle someone was shot with just from the wound? Because that what that Asshole Marshal Dillon did in a Gunsmoke episode I listened to the other night, just walked up to a dead guy and said “looks like he was shoot with a Sharps”, no mention of finding the expended brass/casing/shell? (whatever you gun nuts call it) and they weren’t exactly getting CSI report back then. Sounded like complete bullshit to me but I figured I ask you gun nuts anyway.
Probably is.
A .52 caliber minie ball might make a recognizable difference for a guy who was likely a civil war veteran, so maybe?
From what I’ve heard doctors today have trouble identifying whether someone was shot with a 9, a 40, or a 45 if a bullet isn’t actually recovered. Sounds like old timey Hollywood nonsense to me.
And if it was an FMJ – they may never find the bullet.
Our current “difficulties” might make me consider revolvers loaded with FMJs.
Not a bad idea, a .38 with some wadcutters is nothing to sneeze at.
I use semi-wadcutters in my .38 j-frames by preference. Little revolvers are hard enough to shoot, without adding a ton of unnecessary recoil.
I have loaded hundreds of 38spl with fmj bullets made for 9mm.
The 9mm is 0.355″, the 38spl is 0.357″ thus there is much less friction for the smaller bullet and let me tell you, they are zippy as hell. They shoot faster than regular 9mm Luger.
Because that what that Asshole Marshal Dillon did in a Gunsmoke episode I listened to the other night
lmao. I just love your hate-obsession with Dillon. “God I fucking hate that guy! I’m going to listen to a show about him right now!”
I don’t seek them out. I keep the old-timey radio channel on at a real low volume at night as a way to get out of my head and sleep, I’d prefer “Suspense” or “X mius 1” or even “The Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show” but “Gunsmoke” is on at a heavy rotation so I hear a lot of them.
At the time, repeating rifles were using the same rounds a handgun used. There would be a pretty obvious difference, IMO, between the wound from even a large Winchester 73 in say 44-40, and a proper rifle like a Sharps in a proper cartridge like a 50 70 government.
But no, you couldn’t tell a Sharps wound from a Trapdoor Springfield wound at a glance. But if you consider “Sharps” as shorthand for “full sized large caliber single shot rifle” in the same sense that “Winchester” is shorthand for “lever action pistol caliber carbine”, then yes you probably could.
This.
Looking at a wound I can narrow it down pretty well. Some rounds are obvious, others similar related rounds.
It is believable that Dillon could do that as at the time there were not that many rounds being used.
If you’re crafty, there are some awesome black powder kits with set triggers out there. I have a .50 flintlock pistol that is a lot of fun to shoot. If you’re really looking for a hobby, Rendezvous’ are a hell of a lot of fun.
Mark fixes a Webley-Fosbery automatic revolver.
Much less experience with this list as compared to last. I have handled an old Sharps rifle, and the Winchester, but never fired.
I have a FNAR (FN built out a BAR in tactical rigging, with a box magazine). Easy to hit a paper plate at 300 yds.
That looks nice.
Hah! When I first saw the picture, I thought ‘that looks like a FN’. Glad that I haven’t lost all my gun knowledge.
I’m going to be ramping that back up anyway with all the shit going on. Probably start with a wheel gun and try to find a local range with rentals after taking a safety class. (I sold my Glock 15-20 years ago and haven’t had a gun since).
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/503867-brett-favre-says-kaepernick-deserves-hero-status-like-former-nfl-star-pat
Why Brett? Why!?!?
Because Favre actually is as dumb as he looks.
And/or he saw the Soviet style treatment of Drew Brees.
I’m guessing that Favre, being a Mississippi redneck, has something in his past that will be prime fodder for the mob, and his comment was some preemptive damage control.
Did he say it in a chick’s voicemail?
Vicodin is a hell of a drug?
Love Quigley Down Under.
While I love that movie, I would have loved it much more if Quigley’s Sharps had been set up as a muzzle-loader.
OT- which bonded ammo did you end up drunk ordering the other night?
Well, I don’t remember exactly, as I was drinking. Man, White Ladys are gooooood…
But my email has a receipt from Target Sports USA for a case of Federal XM223SP1 62 grain bonded soft points.
Good ammo, although it’s loaded to .223 Remington pressure rather than 5.56mm NATO. That means it gives up about 150-200 fps at the muzzle.
But it’s available right now, and under a buck a round.
It’s probably my favorite Western. I know there are far better Westerns, but the uniqueness of the setting and just how much fun Selleck and Rickman are in it really puts it up there for me.
“I said I never had much use for ’em. I never said I didn’t know how to use ’em.”
George Washington is canceled.
Head of School Jess Hill declined to answer The Tennessee Star’s specific questions about the matter in an email Tuesday. She instead sent a statement.
“After much thoughtful dialogue spanning several years, Harpeth Hall has decided to discontinue the annual George Washington Celebration,” Hill wrote, adding many people support the decision.
In her email, Hill said school officials are ending the celebration for the following reasons:
• “It is not consistent with or relevant to the way that we teach history today.”
• “It does not demonstrate the significant role that women, people of color, and other underrepresented groups play in our nation’s history.”
• “A growing number of students, faculty, staff, and alumnae are expressing their discomfort with this tradition.”
“For the past several years, the Leadership Team, faculty, and students have questioned in separate discussions the long-standing tradition of the George Washington Celebration at Harpeth Hall – a place where girls are at the center of our story. During this past school year, we held focus group discussions with our Alumnae Board and Head’s Young Alumnae Council to gather their thoughts. We also conferred with administrators and teachers charged with leading the program over many years,” Hill wrote.
“It is not consistent with or relevant to the way that we teach history today.”
Spotted your problem right there.
If the argument is “Having a party doesn’t teach history”, i could see what they are saying. But the second part seems strange to me, as it seems to indicate that having the party wasn’t the problem.
I despise Howard Zinn.
If it wasn’t him it would be someone else. Doubt anyone who actually read his books is in the vanguard of this movement anyway as they are all illiterate troglodytes for the most part.
closest to a history book the people marching for this have read is harry potter.
I”m waiting for the notification that all schools named George Washington to be renamed George Washington Carver school.
Wasn’t he named after the GW though? so isn’t that still right out?
Listen do you know how expensive redoing the signs would be as is. This way you only have to add to the signs. Is it GW Carver’s fault that the Blacks in those days weren’t woke.
It’s not their money. Only racists would worry about the cost of being non racist.
Related. This will be rammed through
https://kval.com/news/local/the-naming-of-lane-county-is-going-to-be-a-community-discussion-is-it-time-to-change
I wonder what will happen if all the people outside the UO area weigh in. I was in Junction on Sat, and everyone was making fun of it.
There’s not enough people to matter. The supposedly conservative (really centrist left) county commission has tilted further left.
The only thing stopping it, despite my snark about OPM, is the cost of renaming everything. They’d rather waste it on homeless hotels and other empire building.
I imagine anyone of solid character is out. That include Fredrick Douglas, George Washington Carver, Martin Luther King…..
None of this has anything to do with race.
I forgot Garret Morgan and Nancy Green.
* I DDG’d ‘aunt Jemima’, looked at the wikipedia page and there is no mention of Nancy Green, just a lot of yammering about racial controversy.
Progs really are the worst kinds of people.
Talking of Black men with character, I would love for a Thomas Sowell school. He’s still living so there may be rules on that but still.
Pretty sure there are Barack Obama schools out there.
Living gods are exempted from the usual customs.
There is, along with GHWB and GWB and Clinton and on and on.
While I am gleeful of how Trump is demolishing (for half of the country, the other half adore him) the angelic glow of the presidency, I would love to see some Trump named schools out there so people can complain that their school is terrible not because of the shitty education, but because of the name attached to it.
They despise the principle that we are actually celebrating when we celebrate George Washington. We aren’t celebrating the man. We are celebrating his principles. He could have been King yet he served and then stepped down, handing power over. He set an example for an entire nation.
This is something progs despise and cant even imagine doing themselves.
The comments are hilarious as rich white liberal women who are either alums or mothers of students get VERY huffy about how this isn’t about censoring history and they’re totally still going to teach about George Washington and they’ve been talking about getting rid of this forever and blah blah blah and telling people “re-read the article”…..and never address the typically SJW bullshit spouted by the head of the school which makes it very clear that this action has nothing to do with “oh, it’s just a pageant and their time could be better spent learning”.
Have had the pleasure of an 1973 and own an 1894. I’d dearly love to spend some quality time with a Model 70 and a B.A.R.. And, out of historical interest, the Sharps, just to be able to say I did. I suspect, though, that a handful of rounds in 45-110 or 45-120 might finish me for the day.
My 16th summer I busted my ass digging and building concrete forms. I saved every penny. The minute I had enough money I bought a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06.
My 19th summer I sold that rifle so that I could visit a girlfriend I was head over heels for that had moved to Tucson. God, I miss that rifle. I still get a mild sick feeling thinking of it.
The girl? I can’t remember her name and I can almost picture her face.
*wipes away single tear*
What 2nd wave?
The one where all of the protesters get sick? Minorities and wokesters hardest hit.
If you want a laugh, check this out. The guy is a travel blogger (healthy, in his early 30s) who completely lost his mind to the panic. For the first time in months he ventured to travel domestically in the West of the country. And, boy, how did the Americans disappoint him!
Lucky and the rest of credit card hawkers can go fuck themselves.
He made it out alive? Incredible!
Some of the comments are amusing.
His whole schtick, along with most travel bloggers, is to shit up the world for page clicks and credit card referral money. Like I said, he can go fuck himself.
Are they paid if I visit their site with an ad-blocker? I never see ads.
It depends on the scheme they are using. IIRC generally Google Ads only pay out on clicks.
Another great article, Animal. I was never attracted to the square back models, either in shotgun or rifle. I finally gave my last lever (Marlin 336) to a grand daughter, I like a bolt action, left handed, these days but still have a variety available. Oh, I forgot that they were in the ore boat that sunk back a few years ago on Lake Superior. O’Connor loved that Model 70, as I remember his picture in Outdoor Life was Jack, taking a knee, with his .270.
Always an interesting read, even if I’m not romantically inclined with some of the firepower. Thanks, Animal.
Hmmm. The only black powder I have is a pedersoli Kodiak double in .577. The problem is that no matter how you set the sights on it they wont work for both barrels.
I paid a fortune for the damned thing and haven’t shot it in fifteen years.
Evil Sheldon, add that to the list for. your uncle? Or was it your father?
The sights should be regulated for a certain point. In other words, they converge at, say, 100 yards or some such. Its kinda like scope paralax, but sideways. I don’t know if Perersoli got it right though.
They didnt which is surprising to me given the quality of their work. I guess I just got a lemon.
That is too bad. I like my Perdersoli Sharps.
My father.
I don’t personally know much about double guns, but I always got the impression that they weren’t really intended for match accuracy even when properly regulated. How far out do the barrels print at 100 yards?
About three feet if I remember correctly.
I think the sights set correctly for one barrel (right?) but maxing them out doesnt come close for the other barrel.
!!!
Yeah, you might have to squeeze that one into your tea.
Vertical, horizontal or diagonal?
Pater Dean had an old (as in, external hammer old) .410 double he would use for quail hunting. I believe each barrel had a different choke, as was typical for double barrelled shotguns. He learned over time where each barrel would hit and would drop two quail even after adjusting his aim for each one.
I think it shoots low and to the left. Three feet left and maybe that much low. I cant really remember. The gun is a beauty and I bagged a few deer with it but I only shot at game with the barrel the sights set for. It has been in the safe for 15 or more years.
If you’re tired of great rifles, take a gander at a terrible one
He first detected something was amiss when upon firing the first round he noticed that the gas block was rapidly moving downrange.
the absolute state of bubba-ing, those cut down bolt lugs were the most WTF part
mmmm… I have a model 8, and a Perdersoli Sharps. So I have those two covered. Haven’t shot a 70 since Boy Scouts, and have never shot an 1873.
Do not like BAR!
So I am not the only one. I have had two BAR’s – 243 and 7mm mag. They are picky as hell about what you feed them and they have to be cleaned often. Dual rods? Really?
I had feeding problems with both.
If I get into cowboy shooting, I’ll have an excuse to get an 1873. And a coach gun.
Not having an infinite amount of money is damnably inconvenient.
Have you ever tried being the Federal Reserve?
(((They))) found out I was only (((half.
Always wanted a 10-gauge coach gun. Not sure what I’d do with it. Maybe get a stage coach.
If you give a Gun Nut a 10-Gague Coach Gun, he’ll ask for a stage coach to go with it….
Why do you want to shoot cowboys?
Have you ever met any? If you have you wouldn’t be asking.
Level IIIA [assless] chaps anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10B_n6NAYvw
Bonus intro of audition tape to join Jerry Miculek’s team.
Has anyone seen a pic of Bubba’s “noose”?
I’m not familiar with that euphemism for Bill Clinton.
I was curious about that myself. Haven’t seen one.
Makes me suspicious. I find it hard to believe nobody took a picture of it. If it really is the earth-shattering outrage we are told, seems like the picture would be published to drive home the narrative.
Too triggering.
Also, to question the veracity of the story, is racist. Just like it was racist to do so with Jussie Somelett. And to even say “Hey that jussie smollet guy lied” is more proof of systemic racisim because just because one guy lied doesn’t mean every case is a lie. And the fact that you picked a black guy as your example of a liar is even more racist. We don’t say “Hey that Bill Clinton guy lied” anytime a white guy says something and then say that what they are saying is a lie.
Look at this guy…pssh #BelieveAllPOC
Hey, Sarah Silverman found swastika’s painted all over sidewalks and they found two nooses hanging in a tree in Oakland. It is totally believable that a rope with a loop in the end of it hanging in a garage is a noose, not a hoist or suspension rope for mechanical work.
Honestly, if the reports are correct that this guy was a big part of banning rebel flags at NASCAR, this might not be a hoax.
The cop’s stepmother who got fired after the Atlanta shooting has given an interview.
Her last day at the office was the day of the shooting, which happened after she left. She was off until they fired her, so it couldn’t have been for anything she said or did in reaction to the shooting.
No mention of a lawsuit, but I hope she files one because this info makes me think the whole “hostile workplace” thing is a complete fabrication.
We never conduct an investigation into a hostile workplace claim without interviewing the accused, which they obviously never did with her.
Here is there meeting about it…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUE0PPQI3is
Clearly it doesn’t have anything to do wit the shooting, but it does make you question why they issued a statement like that on social media. Maybe it was because they were getting lots of complaints. And it was a mortgage group right? probably too small to afford on hand counsel all the time to tell the to shut the full cup.
“…time to tell the to shut the full cup.”
Never seen that auto correct before…I like it.
Haha. It’s actually not an auto correct. A bit of advice a lawyer gave me. Said “When you are under a criminal investigation, you need to take your coffee, take the lid, and shut the full cup”.
Well I still like it *kicks can down the road*
Make like a shepherd and get the flock out of there.
bit of advice a lawyer gave me
a lion I would certainly tow
* wonders who peeks in on this site and thinks we’re all maroons *
It helps muddy the waters. *REDACTED* starts his shift, listening in and reading the site/Zoom and gets bored realizing it must be a bunch of retarded porcupines trying to walk backwards through a pipe.
Clearly it doesn’t have anything to do wit the shooting
Am I missing a sarc font here?
umm…. No. I was being serious. If the above is the case, then they couldn’t have fired her over the shooting.
I read they fired her over her social media posts following the shooting, when she was defending her stepson.
Maybe I’m reading this wrong. It read to me like she was fired before the shooting took place.
Got it. The timeline is:
Unfortunately, a hostile work environment generally requires conduct within the workplace. It also requires behavior directed at an employee.
I think that’s exactly what they fired her for. Why do you say they couldn’t have fired her over the shooting when they fired her a week after the shooting? A week when she wasn’t even in the office?
See above. I read that as “She was fired before the shooting”
According to the latest email from the village idiot pretending to be a US Senator, “Brown” with a capital B is now acceptable too. Will “Yellow” also be used or do Asians not get a capitalized color because of their privilege?
I want to put up a complaint with the Department of Race, because often Arabs and Persians are considered “brown”, and they are totally white. They can’t be allowed to weasel out of white guilt!
/Is this how it works?
I am not sure. They still trade in slaves and were the slave brokers when western whites were buying. Does that mean they get a pass or not? I suppose since they are not part of the western enlightenment they get a pass.
Wait, are you lumping Arabs and Persians together?
*backs away from leon*
My wife’s former boss was interesting. He always referred to himself as Persian and had deep love for this country. He wanted to join the officer corp to practice dentistry in the military. Even though he has absolute fire in his eyes about Iran, he wasn’t willing to give up his citizenship in fear of never seeing his family again.
That guy helps a lot of veterans in terms of dental to this day.
Sheesh, What’s next. Irish and English? Poles and Russians?
White is white. /jk
Yeah, they hate that.
And are swarthy Spaniards Brown? What about the Eyetalians or the Micks?
Wonder where my Anglo-Saxon-Norman-Scandinavian-Náhuatl-Spaniard sons reside on the scale. I am guessing the Angle-Saxon/Scandinavian portions wipe out all the others.
meh I copied their language and not their heritage, Nahuas is what I meant.
It is what white people do.
That..I…I meant to do that!
I really want one of these: https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipologia-prodotti.asp/l_en/idt_1/rifles-gibbs.html
My list of ‘wants’ would probably add up into six figures.
Tha’ts purty
I wonder how Winchester avoided falling afoul of Mauser’s patents as Springfield did with the M1903?
My guess is Winchester waited them out.
Springfield, though, would probably have crossed streams with them. Maybe some jurisdictional/filing issues?
I must confess I don’t care about patents any more: everything I’ve ever done was stolen, and no amount of protest or filing has got any agency to help. I guess I’m a dick, but I was left to rot, so I’m not worrying about anyone else any more.
I thought about patent expiration as the most likely answer immediately after I posted it.
I find myself on the libertarian fence in regards to patents, I see the utility of encouraging individual innovation but I also get the more ANCAP argument that if you think of something but can’t bring it to market, what good is your idea?
I was born on the wrong side of the tracks and have a bitter perspective: the rules always seem to work for someone else. I know the street address in China where most of my work has been copied.
I’ve behaved impeccably, but it never mattered; I paid my taxes, mowed the yard, memorized the valences and the integrals, earned my merit badges, and then missed out on the ganja and the threesomes for nothing while crooks and guys on their third marriages rule the roost. I’m obviously the moron unless that virtue being its own reward thing ever pans out.
Sweet! I’m 0 for 10!
Maybe I’ll do better next week…
Thanks, Animal. These are fun!