Ten Thousand Round Review: CZ Shadow 2

by | Sep 22, 2020 | Games, Guns, LifeSkills, Products You Need, Reviews | 312 comments

Initial Disclaimer

I am in no way qualified to review a handgun.  I have only been shooting seriously for a short while.  My pool of comparison is extremely limited.  My shooting skill is well below average compared with the average serious shooter.  If you want gun advice from a legitimate source, try Paul Harrell.  If you would like to see reviews about this particular genre of handgun, try this guy.  If you think guns should be reviewed by redneck bubbas who you’re vaguely suspicious about, you can try these guys among many others.  Hipsters more your thing?  Fudds?  What about… fuck it, I don’t even know what you’d call him.

Anyway, you should not take any of my judgments as being informed or coming from a place of experience or expertise.  I will endeavor to not make any, since as I just said, they’re not worth the paper they’re printed on.  However, TPTB always need filler material so here’s some.  Some of you other gun nuts need to step up, it can’t all be on Animal or Vhyrus.

Basic stats

The gun looks like this:

There are many like it, but this one is mine.

Official stats are here (this is also what the gun looked like when I bought it.)

I have made the following modifications to the gun:

  • Swapped the magazine release for left-handed operation
  • Replaced the grips with a set from lokgrips.com.  I liked them so much, I had them make a custom right panel for the swag.

Current round count 10,149

Total stoppages: Four (two failures to extract, two failures to eject)

Ammunition fired:  Wolf and Tula 115gr steel cased, Winchester USA Forged 115gr steel case, Federal Champion 115gr aluminum cased, CCI Blazer 115gr, 124gr, and 147gr brass cased, Target Sports Ammunition 124gr brass cased, Minute Man Munitions 115gr and 124gr brass cased remanufactured, Federal HST 124gr, Underwood Xtreme Defender 68gr, 68gr +P, 90gr and 90gr+P.  No issues noticed with any of the ammo fired.  N.B.: the TSA ammo (which I’ve read is rebranded Sellier Bellot)  is utterly filthy — cleaning the gun after 500 rounds of it looks like I’ve shot 2500 rounds of the “cheap, crappy” Russian stuff.  And yes, I have gone 2500 rounds without cleaning.  I am a bad gun owner (see first sentence).

Parts breakages:  None.  I have heard that the trigger return spring is going to break sometime in the next 5000 rounds or so, but it hasn’t happened yet.

So, why did I drop $1100 on a gun?

Well, when I got to NYS, my collection was down to one firearm due to an extended period of unemployment back in the early 21st century.  I wanted to get into shooting, and I wanted to not completely suck at it.  This means I needed to practice, and one of the things that I know about myself is I am much more likely to stick with something if it’s enjoyable.  So I did a lot of research into what pistols people enjoyed shooting, and when this model came on the market, there was a total flood of reviews absolutely raving about it.  I have always preferred double-action pistols since I have made far too many bone-headed mistakes to ever consider carrying in condition 1 (yes, this is not a carry gun but still I’d like there to be come cross-training benefit).  When I made the initial purchase decision, I hadn’t made it through the waitlist on any gun clubs, so I didn’t have any preference for a particular practical shooting sport, and if I had known that the first club I’d get into was an IDPA one, I’d probably gone with something different, since this wasn’t legal in that sport.  However, everything worked out in the end and I’m really satisfied with how this runs.

So, how does it run?

It’s great.

Is there anything you don’t like about it?

Well, yeah.  Three things.

The grips:  The factory grips are preeeety.  But they’re not all that grippy.  When I purchased this gun, I hadn’t yet gotten into a club, so my actual shooting was every weekend dropping $45 for an hour of range time and a hundred rounds of ammo and working my way through the NRA/Winchester program that I remembered from my Boy Scout days (I was a terrible rifle shot.  Still am.)  Prior to that I was using my Ruger Standard and when I switched the drop in precision was noticeable at the end of a session.  The CZ is chonky and supporting it takes a lot of hand muscles.  Or it did until I put the Lok Bogies on it.  There was an immediate improvement from day one as holding it still became effortless.

The slide:  This is a competition gun.  So they did everything they could to reduce reciprocating mass and lower the center of gravity in the gun.  The slide is acutely trapezoidal in cross section, and since CZ75 type guns have the slide riding inside the frame the absolute dimensions on the slide which are exposed/grippable are pretty small.  These two things (a small amount of surface area coupled with a steep pitch) mean if you’re not on the cocking serrations, you better have been working on your hand strength if you’re going to pinch hard enough to get a grip.  Fortunately, the cocking serrations are huge and aggressive.  The recoil spring is pretty stiff (I guess to run it faster?) so this adds to the problem.  I don’t have a problem racking the slide with authoritah, but trying to gently/slowly/press check (lol) is difficult.

The slide stop/disassembly:  disassembling this next to a 1911 will show that this is really just a slightly modified/improved version of John Moses Browning’s design (at least above the trigger).  However, unlike a 1911 where you can remove the slide stop by pressing it with your finger, in the CZ’s case you need to press really hard.  The recommended tool is a magazine baseplate, and it does work, but I wish it was as easy as on a 1911.  Also, they put the alignment marking for the takedown on the opposite side from where you pop the slide stop out.  I guess you’re supposed to hold the slide in position, then reach around behind it and eject the stop.  I’d rather it be on the same side so I could see both parts of the disassembly process simultaneously.

OK, so what do you like about it in particular?

The sights.  I love the chopped blackout back/fiber optic front combination.  For whatever reason I don’t have the problem here as with other skinny front sights of figuring out if it’s centered horizontally or not.  I’m assuming that’s because the fiber is set within a larger mounting so I get the advantage of a very precise dot along with something blocking out most of the daylight in the sight picture.  And the cutaway keeps most of my vision unobstructed, meaning this is far and away the fastest-acquiring pistol I own.

The frame:  The front- and backstraps are 25lpi and sharp.  And they are pretty flat, which helps me (I have difficulty with oval-gripped guns). I have pretty average hands (size 9 – 9.5 glove) and the frame itself is thin enough that I need to bulk it up some with grips, which is vastly better and easier than the opposite problem (I’m looking at you, M9).  I’ve got a palm swell on the palm side with a flat on the support side and it works great (and looks sharp too.)  Both hands just fit naturally around the gun when picking it up.

The response:  The trigger goes off in the same way that the clutch engages on a BMW Z3 —  exactly where/when you expect it to.  The reset is short enough that it’s possible to bump-fire the gun (which I have done accidentally) but it also means that when the loa of John Wick descends upon you transcendent episodes of gunplay happen.  Also because of all the engineering that went into this, it immediately returns to the point of aim after a shot.  On those occasions when I’ve accidentally double-tapped, I wound up with two holes in the target nearly touching.  The DA pull is smooth, and I’ve never had any difficulty alpha-ing my first shot.  I know some people claim that DA/SA is a problem, but honestly training the “problem” away (at least with this gun) took all of a box of ammo.

Now about that 2-shot drill.  Because this is a competition gun, everything that could impede the trigger was eliminated, so there is no decocker on this.  You’ll have to manually lower the hammer to put it back in DA.  I have never ND’d this in a match and I will never admit to having done so while doing “first shot, second shot, lower the hammer” twenty-five times in a row.  But I can totally see how that might happen.  Also, I have had a range officer become belligerently angry with me for lowering the hammer via the grab-the-hammer-with-one-hand-pull-the-trigger-with-the-other technique prior to beginning a course of fire even though it explicitly say in the rules that I need to do so.  Then again, this particular RO is the kind of guy who was probably attracted to the position because it gives him an excuse to be belligerently angry with people.  For the same reason that there is no decocker, there is no firing pin block.  This gun is not drop safe if you happen to be a large guy who might contemplate carrying a three pound (unloaded) 5″ barreled pistol for personal protection.

Even though (again) this is a competition gun, I keep it in my nightstand safe.  When not on the way to the range, it wears an Olight Valkyrie and there are a couple of (wonderfully inexpensive) magazines loaded with HSTs next to it (there is no difference in point of impact at 10 yards with HSTs compared with 115gr FMJs, and that’s longer than the longest possible shot inside my house). I (for obvious reasons) shoot this under pressure more often than any other firearm so it will be my preferred weapon on my way to the shotgun locked in the closet.

Ok, well, everyone already said all of that, how has the gun fared over the ten thousand rounds?

Honestly, I notice no mechanical difference in the gun since the day I bought it.  The magazines and magazine well require cleaning more often than anything else to drop free, though flicking the wrist 45 degrees while reaching for the new magazine flings any recalcitrant mags out and also puts the gun in position for the preferred reload on my club’s indoor range.

The finish:  Scuttlebutt is that CZ is pretty poor with their finishes.  Supposedly, the reason this gun is (or at least was) most commonly produced in “Urban Gray” is because most of the black frames were cosmetically unsaleable and were overcoated with the gray to salvage them (and it is true that the gray frames do have the black finish underneath).  In this particular example, the finish has held up very well, with just some discoloration at the muzzle end.

The frame never perfectly matched the slide if matching your blacks is important to you

You will notice almost zero holster wear on the finish, especially compared with pictures from my M9 that I’ve posted earlier.  I doubt that this coating is any harder than Bruniton, so I’m guessing the relatively pristine condition is because while I do wear this in Kydex, it’s on a drop-offset rig that keeps it away from and isolated from my body, while the Beretta in an IDPA/concealed carry rig is tight up against me so there’s lots more movement/wear.  This theory has some support in the fact that where my forearm would brush against the rear sight has rusted.

Notice how sharply the slide is pitched

And I don’t know if it is related, but the paint marking the “fire” position on the outside safety is also flaking off.

But… without the paint, I might think the safety is engaged and accidentally pull the trigger while pointing the gun at someone!

As for internal signs of wear, they are in my mind remarkably absent.  Regardless of their cosmetic finishes, whatever finish Ceska Zbrojovka puts on their steel to protect it is good stuff.  And their fitment is obviously good enough to make sure parts are only moving in the direction they’re supposed to.  For example, there are annular wear marks on the barrel that I am presuming are from impacts during locking/unlocking, but no linear marks indicating that it’s rubbing against the slide.

We’ll have a barrel of fun

And even where you know there is steel-on-steel friction, the locking lugs, not a whole lot of wear.

These are locking lugs. They are lugs that lock.

Remember how I was talking about fitment?  check this out:  the contact surfaces are still nice and polished, and the non-contact surfaces show no signs of wear.

Shiny.

One of the odd/excessive/gilding the lily “features” of the gun is it comes with silicone buffers to help cushion recoil.  Obviously these are going to be consumable parts so they give you a handful of spares with the gun.  However, I’m still using the first one and while there is definitely wear, I’d guess it’s no more than halfway through its useful life.

They start off colorless. I don’t know if the change is due to thermal breakdown or just because I never use solvent to clean it.

I don’t actually have a borescope to let you see what the condition of the barrel is internally, but it still shoots straight.  One of my main disappointments with the ‘vid response is that it wound up shutting down my bulleye league before we got to the “centerfire open sight” night, because I was hoping to see how well this thing performed in that format.  The weight really dampens whatever unavoidable twitchiness there is when standing unsupported.  Here’s a couple of targets from the last time I went to the range.  I use AP-2s because they are standardized and used for the NRA/Winchester program above, but more importantly because you can print them off on an 8.5″ x 11″ sheet of paper.

Ten shots at thirty feet.

That target was shot close and fast.  I moved the frame back twenty feet and tried to shoot fast but dammit, it just takes longer to even find the black dot at that distance under those lighting conditions.  Still, considering the target was designed to be shot at 15 feet, I can’t be too unhappy.

 

Ten shots at fifty feet

So, is this gun worth the price tag?  Well, there are a couple of different ways of looking at that.  This gun is the best one I have.  It shoots faster and more precisely than my IDPA gun that I’ve done more work on, but even with the Langdon parts I spent less than half on that gun than on this one (I did buy the M9 used, but even assuming new gun prices, that would total at less than 2/3 the price).  But the other way of looking at is that the more you shoot it, the less the price of the gun is a factor in your shooting habit.  At this point in its life cycle, the amortized cost of this gun is less than $0.11 per shot fired.  Even in the pre-stupid days, that’s less than the cost of ammo to make it go bang.

Would I recommend this gun?  Without hesitation.  If you like shooting, and shooting a lot, this is probably worth it to you.  If that’s not your niche, you probably don’t have any need for it, so then it becomes a matter of how much money are you wanting to spend on entertainment, because shooting this this is all sorts of entertaining.

 

 

 

 

About The Author

Not Adahn

Not Adahn

Despite all my rage, I am still just an impeccably dressed rat.

312 Comments

  1. mock-star

    Do not have time to read this as Im getting ready for work, but I greatly look forward to it in the morning. CZ makes quality. I love my 527 carbine in 7.62×39 and I love my 75 omega. Before the boating accident, they were my favorites.

    • mock-star

      Now that I’ve read it, my thoughts:

      Those Lokgrips are sexy. I have ordered the “Cobra” (from GI Joe) grips from them, but I might see if they’ll do them for a 75.

      Have you checked on getting a spring kit from MCarbo? They have decent kits for very nice prices.

      I dont know about the trigger return spring, but CZ has a habit of using pretty mild roll pins. Those sometimes break. On a 75, its the firing pin retaining pin and the trigger retaining pin that are most prone, but they are easily upgraded for literally a few dollars.

      Disassembly is much easier with a bench block. The whole putting the hash marks on the opposite of the part you have push out threw me off too.

      I would never call Hickok45 a fudd.

      Overall, nice gun and good article!
      Also, first!

      The ultra-stiff recoil spring is used to reduce recoil. Its a trade off. Less muzzle flip, harder to rack.

      • mock-star

        Thats weird. Put that last sentence in the middle somewhere.

    • Cancelled

      Or maybe Nerd Killer?

    • Not Adahn

      Guns are pretty much the most complicated machine that I can visualize everything happening at the same time. Cars are too complicated.

  2. Scruffy Nerfherder

    Heh, I knew who the hipster and the fudd were before I clicked.

    Thanks for the review. I’m still aiming for a Beretta as my next gun though.

    • Not Adahn

      I love my Beretta. The trigger breaks cleaner than my CZ. But I can shoot the CZ faster and the groups are tighter with it. Undoubtedly the weight difference is most of that. But the grip dimensions definitely play a part too.

      • C. Anacreon

        I’m pretty happy with my Beretta 92, can’t complain so far.

    • Drake

      I like the PX-4 better than the M9.

      • Not Adahn

        Everyone says great things about it. There’s a woman in my club that runs one and she’s happy with it. I haven’t asked to try it out because, you now, that’s personal and her boyfriend is an excellent shot.

      • Sean

        92x compact. Sheesh, how many times do I have to repeat myself?

        No rail. Decock only.

      • Sukkoi19

        I have over 20k through my 92FS. Great pistol. I had a 92 compact but gave it to a friend at the start of this insanity. I think it was even better than the full size.

  3. Tundra

    Even though (again) this is a competition gun, I keep it in my nightstand safe.

    That says a lot right there.

    Thanks, NA.

    • Not Adahn

      As long as the bad guy hits a buzzer before he attacks, he’ll have less than 1.5 seconds before I ventilate him twice.

      • Tundra

        You don’t have a dog?

      • Not Adahn

        I am lacking. Got to fence in the yard first.

      • Tundra

        No, you don’t.

        Dogs are superior to any security system ever invented by man.

        Also, chicks digs them!

      • Not Adahn

        I’ve never had a purely indoor dog. I’ve always allowed them access to the yard for bathroom/not getting bored purposes. Unfortunately I leave the house at 6:45 and come home after 5:50.

      • Tundra

        Your call, but in my opinion all dogs should be indoor dogs.

        They can be trained for a shit-ton of conditions. Even waiting for their dudes to get home.

        Get a dog.

      • kinnath

        Our shelties used to routinely go from 7 am till 7 pm in the house without having problems.

      • Chipwooder

        Dude is a fantastic shot. I enjoy his videos.

      • blackjack

        Get a dog and name him Ford, he’ll never leave your driveway.

      • Spudalicious

        But you run the risk of finding him on the road dead.

      • blackjack

        Nine out of ten Fords ever made are still on the road, the tenth one made it all the way back to the garage!

      • Cancelled

        Do you walk down the street with your arms out in the hover position whispering “Shooter make ready” to yourself just in case?

      • Not Adahn

        Unlearning that was the second hardest thing about switching to USPSA. The hardest was switching to “If clear, hammer down, holster.”

  4. LJW

    Funny this is posted, I was at the gun store earlier today looking at CZ and a few other pistols. Then I was tempted to buy a Diamondback 300 Blackout on sale, $150 off. Looks like a decent entry level gun, I just don’t know enough about Diamondback, so I didn’t buy. Anyone have any thoughts?

  5. Sean

    Excellent write up. Refer to my avatar.

  6. Count Potato

    “Current round count 10,149”

    Impressive.

    • Not Adahn

      I live across the street from my club. If I had the money, I could put 500 rounds/week easy.

      I do not have the money.

      • LJW

        Good luck finding the ammo to maintain that pace.

      • Count Potato

        I’m not into semi-auto pistols, but I’m guessing, besides recoil management, shooting .22 would be very close to the same skill set.

      • Not Adahn

        Most (all?) of the shooting sports have revolver divisions. I can’t emphasize how much fun Practical Shooting is.

      • blackjack

        I have three, a model 29 6.5″ in nickel from 1976, a .45 LC Colt SAA from the mid seventies also and my 12″ H&R .22 from the early eighties. None seem good for any competition use, except the .45 maybe for cowboy action. I just can’t get excited by semi autos. I really need to buy a basic defense gun, none of these am I willing to sacrifice to the cops while they figure out what to charge me with. My shotgun is a bit unwieldy for home defense.

      • Not Adahn

        Why wouldn’t the 29 work? Obviously you’d want to load .44 special in it, but there’s noting about the design that makes it particularly slow or unreliable.

      • blackjack

        No, it’s just really nice and collectible. I don’t want to drag it around do mean things to it. It’s the most amazing handgun I’ve ever fired. I want it preserved.

      • Not Adahn

        If you were near, I’d invite you to one of the Kayderosseras shoots. They never require you to drop the gun or do anything to mar it.

        There’s one guy who competes in those using an original Python.

  7. DEG

    I know hikock45 is old, but I don’t know about calling him a Fudd. I’ve seen videos where he shoots modern stuff.

    • Drake

      He shoots really well. I’ve seen him shoot guns I own or have shot – much better than me. Not as embarrassing as Jerry Michulek shooting your gun.

      • DEG

        Yes, he is quite a good shot.

    • Bobarian LMD

      I think there’s a video of him shooting just about anything there is.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        Twice there was literally a video of him comparing the two guns I was deciding between. Twice. He has a video on everything.

      • DEG

        I think his first videos were Glock instructional videos.

  8. Lachowsky

    If you watch Cinderella in reverse, it’s a story about a woman finding her true place in life.

    • westernsloper

      I don’t remember Cinderella making sandwiches.

      • Cancelled

        Only if you are charming.

  9. LJW

    Slowest Full Auto Ever?!?!

    Whenever I hear someone talking about banning guns will prevent bad guys from getting them. I point to this gun.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      Yeah, you could make that in your garage with some fairly basic knowledge. Neat gun too.

      • Bobarian LMD

        There ain’t a whole lot to those guns. I fired one of the later models he talks about (with just the notch in the bolt to cock it; the M3A1).

        Seemed a little faster, but the Forgotten Guns seemed about right,

        I wouldn’t want to depend on hitting anything further than 50 M.

        The Regular Army still had these on Sheridans until ~93 and kept them on M88 Recovery Vehicles until M4s started replacing M16s in the late ’90s.

      • Gustave Lytton

        I shot an earlier variant at a machine gun shoot. Compared to everything else and after shooting a bunch of others, it was noticeably slower. I would still take one if the price was right.

    • Gadfly

      Whenever I hear someone talking about banning guns will prevent bad guys from getting them. I point to this gun.

      That is a good point. The idea that banning guns will keep them out of the hands of bad guys is laughable. The mere fact that banning, well, really anything else has not prevented people getting access to it should make this obvious, but sadly many people miss it. I like to use the example of the effectiveness of drug prohibition to point this out, especially considering that the odds the person you are speaking to has managed to acquire an illegal substance or personally knows someone who has is relatively high.

    • Not Adahn

      Peeping in the Cracker Barrel bathroom. I just…

    • Rhywun

      “restrain”

      LOL it looks like they beat the shit out of him.

      • Ozymandias

        “restrain”

        LOL it looks like they beat the shit out of him.

        FTFY

      • Gadfly

        I’m guessing they meant “used restraint on him”. He could’ve fared worse.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      That’s got to be about the worst place to try to pull something like that, in S.C. no less. He’s lucky to be alive.

    • LJW

      I’d expect this at a Dennys, but a Cracker Barrel?! What is this world coming to?!

      • Sir Digby Classic

        You shut your whor–eh, it’s pretty accurate.

    • westernsloper

      That is a lot of booty.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        And, quite a bit less of other things.

  10. westernsloper

    I have pretty average hands (size 9 – 9.5 glove)

    They have glove sizes? When did this happen?

    (the first one of you that says the OJ trial can fuck right off)

    Holy shit you shoot some rounds for a non redneck NA. That is a lot of lead shot down range.

  11. Sean

    Not Adahn, you can be on my team in the zombie apocalypse.

    Bring bacon and bourbon.

    • Not Adahn

      I’ll have this with me when I stop by. Most likely 10/21 or 10/22. Hopefully I won’t be completely wiped out from the match.

      • Sean

        ?

      • Count Potato

        If you are going from NY to PA, my experience is that NJ cops are asshoe. YMMV.

      • Rhywun

        From where he is, no need to enter NJ.

      • Not Adahn

        I’ll be coming north from FL. After that I’ll swing wide as I need to to avoid The Garden State.

      • LCDR_Fish

        I love I-81.

      • Rhywun

        Hell, you’d have to go out of your way to hit NJ from the south. You’re golden.

      • DEG

        I might or might not have taken firearms through New Jersey without the police knowing about it.

      • Bobarian LMD

        That is a lot of risk for very, very little reward.

      • DEG

        I never claimed to be smart.

        It’s other people that claim I’m smart.

        I wonder what is wrong with those people.

    • Not Adahn

      I would encourage you to get/build a PCC and join us at the USPSA matches that are happening, but this has got to be the worst time in living memory to do that. I guess I could rent you one of mine, but the feeding costs are exorbitant now.

    • Sean

      LOL. And just like that, UCS turns it into a caliber argument.

      10MM, bitches.

      .45 if you’re on a budget.

      • Cancelled

        That’s ok, a foot square 8 mm tungsten plate weighs 31 lbs. so if you are fully armored in tungsten you are moving slowly enough to be shot in the eyeball.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Apropos to the OP, back in the day you could buy a Mosin for $39, a SKS for $99, an AK for $175, and a Warsaw Pact CZ75 for $149.

        My room-mate bought one of the CZs.

        It looked like it had been hand made with a chisel and grinder, but it shot as well as the M9s in the arms room.

        Lot cheaper than $1100.

      • DEG

        I have a full size CZ-75 that was made between the fall of Communism and the break-up of Czechoslovakia.

        It looks like it was made well.

        I like shooting it.

        I picked it up at a gun auction for $350 including auction fees a year or so ago.

    • juris imprudent

      Real calibers start with a “4”, is that it?

      • UnCivilServant

        Real calibers are not in metric.

      • Cancelled

        what about artillery?

      • UnCivilServant

        My statement stands.

      • Cancelled

        I have to admire your stubborn streak.

      • Bobarian LMD

        UCS is an 11C, Four-Duece man?

      • kinnath

        5.56 Nato

        7.62 Nato

        not real, huh

      • kinnath

        But .223 and .308 are fine?

      • Cancelled

        .223 is a touch underpowered. I know that is now heresy, but I like a rifle that leaves my shoulder at least slightly tender after an afternoon burning powder.

      • UnCivilServant

        .308 is fine.

        I don’t own anything in .223 Though I accept donations.

      • Not Adahn

        Good thing that this gun is chambered in .38 parabellum then.

      • Ozymandias

        I love my .40, thank you very much.
        And if we’re getting into a… ahem, caliber measuring contest, let me add this:
        Of everything I’ve ever fired or seen fired up close and personal, (which happens to include most of what’s in the US arsenal short of nukes), the king daddy of all are the 16″ guns on the USS New Jersey. Take that. /waggles eyebrows

        The most powerful bullets are the ones that hit the target. My wife and I have a .22 revolver… uhhh… close at hand in our house. My piece is in our bedroom.
        In a pinch, if I were in the “wrong room” during a break-in, I would have no problem defending myself with that .22 revolver.
        Just ask yourself (and remember) this: would you want to get hit with a .22 in, say, the elbow? The ribcage? ‘Cuz I know I fucking wouldn’t.
        When I was a kid, it hurt like hell to get shot with a bb gun. I’ve seen sim rounds bust a guy’s mouth open. (I was in the back seat and it looked like the f&^%ing Kennedy assassination). I mean, he got out and soldiered on, but if that’s a .22, he’s likely a dead man, possibly just has his face destroyed.
        The movies and some miraculous acts of individual will-over-pain (or drug rages) may have conditioned us to believe that you “HAVE” to have something bigger than blah – a man-stopper. I think you just need to have a gun, a willingness to use it, and be able to hit a person with it when it matters (no small thing).

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        This is why I stopped caring so much about the size of shot loaded in my shotgun. Yeah, in an ideal world, I’m putting a shit ton of 00 into the intruder. #6.5 is gonna deter and/or kill them just as much, and be less likely to kill my family and/or neighbors.

      • Ozymandias

        There are a lot of other considerations, as well, that often get lost in these kinds of discussions. The layout of my house, namely where my kids/family are and what’s behind a likely ingress for an intruder. The Navy SEALS made that mistake in training and shot up some of their own dudes. People who live in apartments in cities, or even residential neighborhoods, it should be a very real consideration in what and how people shoot. I also don’t imagine people do much shooting through walls, but it’s a very real thing and a skill that can and should be practiced. (But man, it’s expensive to blow out sheetrock and shoot edges of walls out. HOWEVER, it’s a great experience and there are some courses commercially where they will do that stuff. Not cheap.) Even if you don’t kill someone on the other side, the spalling alone can eff them up, and/or provide time to get a better aimed shot.

      • EvilSheldon

        Be able to hit a person in an area about the size of a softball. That’s what it takes to physically stop an attacker, as opposed to inducing him to decide to quit due to pain or fear. Most stops are psychological.

      • Ozymandias

        I disagree. And I’ve been at courses where the people teaching are professional shooters of human beings, and many of them say the double-tap in the chest then go to head is a bad idea for a charging human. I know some who claim that they lower their gun and shoot in the, ahem, crotchal region. Not for the reasons you might think – rather, any bullet that kicks around in the hip cage will “put a man down.” You break/shatter a pelvis or any of the machinery down there and the man stops running forward (I have been assured). I also know two people who have been shot similarly and they assure me they stopped moving immediately.
        I think there are other areas, as well, to include face shots, the throat, that will usually end a fight. I would imagine the same is true for bullets that go through (even accidentally) go through the knees. Shockingly, bullets seem to go all over the place during real gun fights.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        I don’t know exactly what this means, but, there have been plenty of police-involved shooting where the attacker takes several shots and continues to at least attempt to carry on. Many often do, even after falling.

        Yes–lots of factors to consider in each situation. But, it’s not as if it would really have been different if the it had been some homeowner taking the shots, as opposed to a cop.

  12. pistoffnick

    “…the cocking serrations are huge and aggressive. The recoil spring is pretty stiff …”

    This is a porn write-up, right?

    • Not Adahn

      Fucking FINALLY someone swung at that!

  13. LCDR_Fish

    Seems like 3 gun would be a lot of fun (or any competition really – I liked range shooting with pop-ups in the army…but very rarely got the chance after basic training – and never in the Navy).

    Still haven’t gotten a proper battle sight zero on my M4 – not enough time/money to make it out to a good range with someone else with the experience.

    ….think I posted this earlier, but Finnish 4 gun also sounds fun.

    http://blog.vantagepointnorth.net/2020/03/sra-finnish-4-gun-shooting-for.html

    • Not Adahn

      Multigun is also fun. Here (because of NY laws) they use a modified 2×4 format (you can bring one gun from each of four categories – pistol, rifle, shotgun, pistol caliber carbine. Each stage you MUST use two guns, your choice or which two. There are some restrictions like no rifle on steel and no shotgun on cardboard targets).

      • Not Adahn

        There is some truly sadistic glee to be had going after a Texas Star with a shotgun.

      • Cancelled

        Why do you hate swingers?

      • Not Adahn

        Last weekend, some fucker had a stage with one of those set up at 17 yards! I was only barely on the top half of that stage, but that’s because I had a mike.

    • Not Adahn

      The main limitation around here for that sort of event is a venue that can incorporate long range shots. Only one of my clubs has a pit that’s even 40 yards deep. Club politics are pretty bitchy, and the long-range guys/hunters don’t want to let the practical shooters shut down one of their ranges for a weekend.

      • LCDR_Fish

        One of the best reasons for looking at 40+ acres in nowheresville WY is having a personal 300+yd range just out back.

    • EvilSheldon

      All kinds of competition shooting are fun. 3-gun is really fun, but also really a pain in the ass. I stopped shooting it a few years ago because it was just too hard to serve three different masters…

      I’ve been shooting some outlaw steel matches with a .22LR AR, which is all kinds of fun.

  14. Drake

    I have the CZ P-07 which is the half polymer baby version of that gun. It shoots well and I’ve never had a malfunction* with cheap or fancy ammo. My tightest groups were with Wolf steel cased ammo.

    * I had a box of cheapo reloaded 9mm with synthetic bullets that would feed at all. I blamed the ammo.

  15. Drake

    How crazy is the news these days? I just ordered 3 more mags for my .40 Hi-Point carbine. That Bad.

    • Not Adahn

      I need to buy more Beretta mags. They used to be cheap.

    • EvilSheldon

      I just got another half-dozen Glock 17 magazines delivered. Can’t have too many.

    • Not Adahn

      That checkering looks to be pretty effective.

      • kinnath

        I love it.

  16. straffinrun

    Any word on TH?

    • straffinrun

      And Mornin, NA.

      • Not Adahn

        Good morning to you.

        I have heard nothing.

    • Ozymandias

      Okay. That made me laugh way too much. Nice, Lach.
      (And no, I don’t want to know where you found it, but thanks for asking.)

      • Lachowsky

        I got friends in low places…

        You know the rest.

  17. hayeksplosives

    I have got to find a way to get some ammo. I took the commercial moving company at their word that they wouldn’t transport ammo when they packed my MN house and moved everything to CA. So I had some very happy friends in MN who benefited from my loss.

    Not that I have any firearms after the boating accident…

    • blackjack

      You weren’t supposed to mention what was in those boxes. Ammo is a headache to get here now, thanks to the common sense safety laws.

    • westernsloper

      Never take a moving company at their word because we can all spell, “fragile dishes”.

  18. C. Anacreon

    I just stopped by TOS to read a Volokh article. It was a little silly, his proposal was that the Rs delay the SC nomination in exchange for a promise that the Ds won’t pack the court next year, silly because of course the Ds would agree to that and immediately forget if they take control next year. But then I made the mistake of wandering into the comments. Hoo boy.

    What a collection of assholes, present company who post there excluded, of course. But none of those others seemed like anyone I’d want to have a beer with, unlike so many of you on here I’ve already had the great pleasure to have a beer with!

    It’s just amazing that most of us once hung out there, and became so invested in each other’s lives and created friendships. Thank goodness for Glibs and the other spin-offs we’ve created to keep that momentum. I can’t imagine people in that current cesspool are bonding, learning about each other, having meetups and events together, like there is here. How sad.

    Thanks again to all of you for making this site fun, engaging and informative, while also being personal and supportive. I can’t imagine having gotten through 2020 so far without you, especially if TOS had been the only remaining option. If that had been the case I’d have probably taken up needlepoint.

    • Cancelled

      I thought you were a surgeon? Don’t you get enough needlepoint making human samplers at work?

      • blackjack

        It puts the lotion on the skin.

      • C. Anacreon

        Although my license says “Physician and Surgeon, I’m not a surgeon, I work in the ER. I was joking about needlepoint, I meant I’d need some sort of distraction to keep me busy instead of my former internet time. Perhaps mah-jongg?

    • Mojeaux

      Don’t diss the needles and thread dude.

    • DEG

      I can’t remember the last time I stopped by H&R.

      I don’t miss it.

      I’ll second what Doc says about this place.

      • blackjack

        Intermittently, my wife points out how stupid some article from over there is. I just laugh and say, yeah, that’s why I never really go there anymore. I started with them in the late eighties, reading the paper version. What a long hard fall they have had.

      • Rhywun

        dittoes on all three counts

      • blackjack

        And, yes, this!

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I don’t miss it.

        The only things I miss are Remy and a few of the commenters who didn’t make the jump.

      • CPRM

        I still subscribe to the reason.tv youtube channel just for Remy an the videos the Bragg’s occasionally put out.

      • DEG

        I like Remy.

        When I want a Remy fix, I’ll search for his stuff on youtube.

    • westernsloper

      If that had been the case I’d have probably taken up needlepoint.

      And now we know where to get it!

      • Mojeaux

        Russia.

  19. EvilSheldon

    The Shadow 2 is awesome.

    Paul Harrell is a hapless idiot who can’t shoot.

    10k rounds definitely gives you a solid level of insight into how the gun performs. Most gun owners would never know it if their gun was designed to fall apart upon firing round #51.

    Great article!

    • UnCivilServant

      Most gun owners would never know it if their gun was designed to fall apart upon firing round #51.

      Look, bullets are expensive these days.

  20. DEG

    Reopen NH has planned a candlelight vigil for the victims of lockdowns.

    Oct. 24th, 5-7 PM, Concord, NH.

    Glibs meet-up?

  21. commodious spittoon

    I am in no way qualified to review a handgun. I have only been shooting seriously for a short while. My pool of comparison is extremely limited. My shooting skill is well below average compared with the average serious shooter.

    Hey, I rank women anyway.

  22. CPRM

    Just saw a mouse in the RV, no wonder my allergies have been acting up. I had seen there was a glue trap out in the back, so I moved that where I saw the little bastard.

    • hayeksplosives

      Hantavirus!!!

      Aren’t we all already dead of that by now?

      • Frosty

        “We knew about the spider eggs, but hantavirus? Hoo boy, that really came out of left field”

      • Bobarian LMD

        Net Neutrality killed me.

      • C. Anacreon

        I’ve been dead since Y2K.

      • creech

        Scary virus not to be trifled with. It killed the founder of Libertarian International a few years back.

    • Not Adahn

      How do you develop a mouse allergy?

    • CPRM

      ‘Advise’ doesn’t have to come before the nomination, and also, I’m guessing the Senators from the same party as the president are giving advice.

      And yes, the last 4 years have taken a toll on Biden, clearly, and he hasn’t even been under any stress like a president.

      • mikey

        It wasn’t the content, I was just stunned at how basically competent the speech was. He can’t get close to that now.

      • CPRM

        I know, I wanted to comment on the content though.

    • hayeksplosives

      Pretty sure that’s what Kamala is banking on.

      No wonder she accidentally referred to a “Harris Administration.”

      • Mojeaux

        So did he.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        So have all the racialism-based voters.

      • Tejicano

        I’m pretty sure that’s what most people voting for Biden are counting on.

    • DEG

      He was once a forceful and coherent speaker. This was just four years ago. He’s fallen a long way. He doesn’t have four years left.

      Yep.

      • blackjack

        So, just a few short years ago, he could deliver a plagarized speech really well?

      • Bobarian LMD

        He used to say a lot of stupid things, but he used to say them a lot better.

      • Drake

        This. Rarely did he ever say much I agreed with.

      • DEG

        Yep.

      • C. Anacreon

        Serious question: what if he doesn’t even make it until November?

        Are people then voting for President Harris?

        Or if there is no Biden, but he still wins the election, does the VP move up, or does the whole thing get tossed to the House?

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        President Harris and VP Ocasio-Cortez, the first all woman oh shit we’re doomed and I’m moving to Britain ticket.

      • Gadfly

        So, out of the frying pan and into the fire, then?

      • CPRM

        At least the porn parodies of the administration would be something I could ‘enjoy’.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        ………..You could?

        /talk about a hard soft pass

    • Drake

      He could bullshit all day long without notes back in his prime. He’s just shell of his former self now. Sad that they are putting him up to this.

    • Lachowsky

      He was forceful and coherent when he was an instrument in passing the 1994 crime bill. Forceful and coherent when he was G. Bush’s man to push the invasion of Iraq through the senate. He was forceful and coherent when he was the instrumental man in pushing the american support of literal nazis in the Ukraine in 2015.

      I will take senile Joe over over sober Joe anyway.

      • mikey

        True enough.
        However, Jill Bide = Edith Wilson?

      • hayeksplosives

        I don’t think it’d be Jill pulling the strings. Someone in the Dem machine, but not Jill.

      • mikey

        Jill’s gonna want something out of this. Guessing it’s more than being the new School Lunch Tsarina.

  23. Rhywun

    So day 2 of NewJob, I watched the required “Returning to the office” training video and it’s as awful as you could guess. It’s like working in a hospital ward and I’ve already had my fill of that this year.

    I already told my boss on day 1 that I’m not returning to the office if I have to wear a mask all day. I guess it helps that we’d already worked together for 10 years so I’m comfortable giving him a piece of my mind.

    • DEG

      Yuck.

      I told my boss that I wouldn’t go back into the office until Lil Rona Theater is done. I think I even used those words. He said OK.

      • Rhywun

        It helps that it’s voluntary for now.

        And it’s not like the office means anything any more. Other than my boss, everyone I work with is either in Cleveland, Texas, Florida, Poland, or Kiev.

      • Not Adahn

        Lots of cabbage at your company picnics?

      • hayeksplosives

        The CEO of my company dropped by my office today. He doesn’t even work in my building and he’s a director and a Vice President away from me.

        I think he was just looking for signs of life in the offices. He sat at my conference table and said “This is more than 6 feet, isn’t it?” I told him to feel free to remove his mask and I did the same.

        I ended up getting half an hour of one on one time with the boss just because he was so happy to be normal for a while.

        I told him that anyone who thinks WFH isn’t hurting productivity is kidding themselves. He then felt free to unload his frustrations with it, and I’m glad I was there to be a sounding board.

        Let normalcy return!

      • Rhywun

        I’m actually making a good-faith effort to be productive. I set up a home office in my spare bedroom and mostly don’t leave it even.

        It helps that I’m busy AF and going to be for awhile. Now to bed for 6am start ugh.

      • SUPREME OVERLORD trshmnstr

        I can’t imagine being productive without a home office and a decent setup. However, now that I have those things, I’m substantially more productive (and happy) than in the office.

      • straffinrun

        The wife and kid are pretty good about leaving me alone except for the times when they get into a fight. I’ve had to mute myself on a few zoom meetings because of the cat fight in the next room.

      • Not Adahn

        Get them some pillows and have them settle their differences like civilized wimmen.

      • I'm Here To Help

        I’ve got a nice home office set up. Only problem is that it is sitting right by the glass sliders looking out over our back yard. Yesterday I spent 30 minutes watching two bobcat cubs chasing each other up and down a tree at the far end of our pond.

      • UnCivilServant

        Where’s the video of it you took?

      • I'm Here To Help

        Got a couple of pictures, but no video. Really need to get a bigger telephoto lens for this property…

    • blackjack

      We wear them all day. And, I am at home on a 14 day quarantine right now, because I talked to a coworker for 15 minutes whose wife’s sister tested positive. At least it’s paid. BTW, his wife and her sister both work in hospitals.

    • Crusty Juggler

      I run an office – yes i am in charge. Just me. For a healthy salary. Me.

      Anyway I am cool. And the people concerned about covid are the only two in an office together because fuck you two shut up. Do they sanitize the office? No. Do they do anything other than periodically complain? No.

      Fuck them. I don’t say that – I call HR who agrees with my “I’m not worried” policy but fuck them.

      PEOPLE GET COLDS CALM DOWN DORKS.

      Fucking dorks. Let’s just go back to bullying dorks. I know you were all dorks – I was a dork! Bully modern day dorks. They deserve it. Grow up, dorks.

      • CPRM

        Security at work is writing up everyone for not wearing masks, yet they sit there in their post and don’t wear masks.

      • Gadfly

        I run an office – yes i am in charge.

        Is this one of those signs of the apocalypse that the preachers have warned about?

      • Sir Digby Classic

        Apparently, today, at one of our campuses, an instructor–who just so happens to have a son attending classes at said campus–walked by the son’s classroom.

        There, through all the glass put up to count as walls, Daddy spied a classmate of son’s, who didn’t have a mask on. Neither did he have one sitting on his desk. Nor, in his hand.

        Daddy decided to call campus police to make a report on the very naughty student. Now, my officers can talk to people; remind them of campus policy and whatnot. But, they cannot enforce this policy. No arrest. Not even a criminal trespass. This was explained to Daddy Dearest, and he claimed to understand, but he still wanted to speak to a police officer. Who, apparently, actually wrote a report about it.

        It’s assholes like this that most likely salivated when “See Something, Say Something” became a policy by the Feds.

      • CPRM

        I’m glad we haven’t gotten a mandate to enforce this stuff. I mean technically we’re supposed to, but it hasn’t been a mandate.

      • Crusty Juggler

        samesies

  24. hayeksplosives

    Knowing how senile Joe seems to be, how did he end up getting the nomination? I doubt that’s what the DNC leaders had in mind. They only chose him as Obama’s VP for his “gravitas”, not as president-in-waiting.

    So did Lizzie underperform? Or did they think Schumer or Kamala could take it, but to their surprise it didn’t work?

    • CPRM

      Even the ‘anyone but Orange Man’ crowd found all the others too nuts, and he was all that was left in the clown car.

    • Gadfly

      He was the only non-Sanders option anyone was voting for, so the party closed ranks around him.

    • Tejicano

      The DNC leadership couldn’t get the rest of the party to go along with any of their favorites so they put up Joe so they could slip somebody they do like as VP. Once the inauguration is over they can notice that Joe is drooling on the mic and kick him to the curb.

      • straffinrun

        Simple and seems correct.

    • mikey

      Women? I don’t see a women.
      Yeah, I know, I know.

      • cyto

        Reminds me of a great scene from Andy Griffith’s “No Time For Sergeants”. Andy’s character gets chewed out by a female officer for gaping at her. His friend explains that in the Air Force, there are no women and men when it comes to rank… just officers and privates. He has to salute an officer.

        His friend says “I don’t see no woman. . I see a Captain, so I salute. A captain, that’s all I see.”

        Andy replies, “Well, I noticed she was a woman right away..”

        So.. Andy learns his lesson on “noticing women officers as women”.

        And then he goes for his eye test. When he reports back to his Sergeant, this is the result:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3euIOlwcA&ab_channel=GhostRider

    • cyto

      That was astonishingly good. How many times did he have to go through that recording to nail it like that?

    • Timeloose

      I love my Witness 45 metal frame. I tried a 9mm polymer but it consistently was 4” low no matter what ammo or who shot it. At lest it was cheap.

      I picked up a CZ75 9mm and it is great.

    • Tejicano

      Before that nasty boating accident I had a Witness in 10mm Auto. Freaking great fun. For a full powered cartridge the gun’s envelope is between a Hi-Power and a 1911.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        I had a 90’s full-steel version Witness in 9 several years ago. Had to sell it to a friend when $ got low. Everyone who shot that weighty bastard loved it, as it was a joy to shoot. Tanfoglio sure does make a helluva gun.

      • Akira

        My CZ-75 Compact is all steel. Heavy as a brick, but I’ve made sure never to strap on any other gun even for a second so that I don’t know what I’m missing.

        I like the smooth shooting (which means accurate shooting) and 14+1 capacity.

  25. cyto

    Well… the social media campaign has begun.

    I have seen 3 fake “just a post by a normal citizen who doesn’t really do social media” videos in the last few hours. The last one confirmed it for me… the dems have an operation to post stealth political ads that are packaged as social media posts.

    The last one started out like someone taking a handheld video of a TV or computer screen with Trump talking. He is going off on Obama for playing golf. And then it morphs into the entrance to a Trump golf club and they have a professionally done fake marquis with a covid-19 death count running.

    So that’s going to be new this time around. Posts that look like they are from your aunt sally’s friend, but are actually stealth ads.

    • Sir Digby Classic

      Well, the Left can’t meme, so, they’re trying to recapture their online messaging “superiority” from years past.

    • cyto

      A quick check of CNN… yup… this is a coordinated push. CNN has a wall of “Fact checking Trump’s downplaying of Covid 19” and “Right Wing Media downplayed Covid Deaths” … nothing on there about Cuomo actually killing people by forcing covid patients into nursing homes…. Stories of Covid Survivors with the message: this is not a hoax.

      • cyto

        “Breaking News: Bill Gates says Trump travel ban made US outbreak worse”.

        Yeah.. gonna have to say that this one is not supportable.

    • straffinrun

      There certainly is a fishy smell to some of the “organic” stuff you see on social media.

    • Gustave Lytton

      I would suggest Charlie McCarthy.

  26. CPRM

    SPOILERS

    the new character in season 2 of The Boys is a mysterious character named Storm Front (like the one real racist website that did used to exist) and used to be named Liberty, and she knows how to meme! Super Girl already did this story line. This is just getting boring.

    SPOILERS

    • Sir Digby Classic

      Super Girl already did this story line

      Que?
      I’m finding this season much more enjoyable than the 1st. I guess the phreaky **************** scene was just more appealing.

      • CPRM

        Agent Liberty, who hated women and ‘aliens’ was already a villain on Super Girl. Another superhero show with a villain that is racist and alluding to people who like liberty are totes racist is boring. I’ve liked the season to, but it is a rather boring concept for a villain after the last 4 years.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        Dude…..you watched Super Girl?

        Repeat after me: WB is SHITE.

        “What?! Marvel is killing it at the box office? Lots of talent, and plenty of high-end sfx? Well, we’ll show them! And, we’ll do it for 1/15 the cost!”

      • CPRM

        Marvel TV (except for Cloak and Dagger) has been shit. DC TV has been better. My brain needs stimulation.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        What/where is Marvel TV? Supes on tv has always looked wretched.

      • CPRM

        Inhumans, Agents of Shield, Agent Carter…

      • Sir Digby Classic

        Oh–ABC. Yeah–never bothered with them, because….well, TV. Spousal unit watched them, so, of course, I’m gonna steer clear.

      • cyto

        The sex scene with superheros is always fun, but it has been done a lot. My favorite was probably from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, because they did one with evil Buffy and they had Sarah Michelle Geller saying something about how *all* of her muscles are super strong.

      • CPRM

        Kegels FTW!

    • cyto

      I’m having trouble getting as attached to the story this season. Some of that is the difference between watching the whole season in a couple of days, vs waiting out the weeks for this season.

      But some of it is this new character and story line. She’s hard to like – and we kind of needed to like her for her dark side to be a twist.

      They also did the “superheroes make love and smash the house” thing that has almost become a trope by now. But they did amp it up “The Boys” style, with some BDSM burning of the flesh. It was an interesting way to introduce her near invulnerability.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        No; she was repugnant right off the bat. OK, maybe just off-putting. Still, I don’t feel the need to like her. Plus, I do not miss their “Durr hurr xtians, amirite??” shtick from the first season.

      • CPRM

        I don’t remember to what you’re referring.

      • CPRM

        I’m back to just 1G on my hotspot, so I can’t stream shit. are you referring to the church stuff? Because they’re doing it again this season, just a different church.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        I don’t give a toss about their Scientology clone. At the very least, they’re doing the thinly veiled thing with that. They didn’t really bother doing that with Christians, other than create a ‘concert’ for some supes to be involved in.

        Then again, it’s an Ennis thing. I’m actually rather surprised I’ve even given it a shot, much less two.

      • CPRM

        Meh, I find the Christian Rock thing disturbing myself, that’s something protestants do, not us pure Catholics.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        that’s something protestants do

        And, it was by Go….sh fun, too. The one I attended wasn’t big, but, in Texas Summer (’97), with a ton of moshing (yes, indeed), I sweat so much the tshirt I was wearing that day never lost the smell.

        I loved that shirt….

      • Chafed

        Sorry you’re having trouble with your G spot.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        Holy shizznite….I just went from dank memes over on our Discord, seeing that.

        ?

      • cyto

        yes

    • CPRM

      Since it’s probably just us Californians still awake,

      he says while the two prolific late nighters are from Wisconsin and Texas…

      • Sir Digby Classic

        There are other Texan late-nighters???

        Oh! Right….

    • Caput Lupinum

      Some of us east coasters have insomnia.

      • CPRM

        I thought Wales was on the west coast.

      • Caput Lupinum

        Nid yw Bryn Mawr yng Nghymru mewn gwirionedd.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        Whoa, whoa….none of that Cthulu shit around here. Don’t need the Mad Arab conjuring up deadites ‘n’ shit.

      • Caput Lupinum

        Deadites? Fair point, no reason to conjure up new Democrat voters this close to an election.

      • CPRM

        I know you’re not in Wales, take a fucking joke! That’s it! I’m leaving!

      • Caput Lupinum

        Sorry, I’ve been on edge; can’t visit the sheep flock during the lock down.

    • Chafed

      Way too close to the truth.

    • C. Anacreon

      That was one of JP’s best. I just sent it to a super lefty friend who’s been very upset with everyone submitting to the lockdowns and mask hysteria. Let’s see if it registers with him. If so, we might get him that much closer to being a libertarian.

      • hayeksplosives

        We could use more of those.

        Even if the big L party is years away from being viable in its own right, it’s good to have libertarian voters exercising judgement in voting, and winning the occasional Rand Paul or Thomas Massie seat.

        Ron Paul influenced the presidental debates even when he wasn’t allowed to participate.

    • hayeksplosives

      That’s kinda painful to watch,

      • Sir Digby Classic

        I know–those thighs! Oooof….

      • Sir Digby Classic

        Oh, yeah… ?

        Did I forget to add that?

    • Sir Digby Classic

      I am so glad I got to watch his show growing up. Taught me to be cheeky, it did.

      • Plinker762

        Back when PBS was useful

      • Sir Digby Classic

        I think I mostly watched it on a local (non-affiliate) station…might have seen some on the local PBS station, but I can’t recall. Now, Python–that, I definitely watched on PBS.

        /the local station was the PBS affiliate that brought Flying Circus to the States

      • Sir Digby Classic

        I remember seeing that! I wonder if he was familiar with that elephant, or, if that’s common for elephants (esp there).

    • Plinker762

      This = Things

    • Tejicano

      That looks like a good business to be in these days.

      • Sir Digby Classic

        Yep….well, supposing you can get re-stocked.

  27. Sir Digby Classic

    I shared a link to a vid on Casey Anthony a couple of nights ago, from a YT channel about criminal psychology. I am rather liking their videos, for the most part–some seem to just be a covering of whatever trial/investigation; others, discussing psych points. If you’re so inclined check them out.

    Anyway, from that series–one of the most impressive interrogation perseverings I’ve ever seen. It didn’t help him, in the end, but still…

    • Sean

      Specifically, their gunsmithing packages. Makes a world of difference.

    • limey

      Good morning.

      • UnCivilServant

        Blimey, a limey.

        I haven’t seen you in a few days, where’ve you been?

      • Gender Traitor

        Just a guess, but…England?

    • Tulip

      Good morning.

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, all.

    • Tejicano

      Good morning to y’all too!

    • Sean

      Hey, y’all.

      • Gender Traitor

        Good morning, Sean. Nice – and appropriate – musical selection up there. I let the YT keep running for a while after to let it pick what came next. Only turned it off when some falsetto cover of “I Can’t Make You Love Me” popped up.

      • Sean

        ?

    • Festus' Mustache

      Yes. It is another morning. Kidding!

    • Tundra

      Mornin’!

    • Festus' Mustache

      Like anything else, moderation in most things is key. I knew a few people that drifted away and never came back from that scene. Not that I’m in favor of bans, mind you.

    • Tundra

      It’s beyond time to legalize that stuff. MDMA in particular looks really promising, especially for severe depression and PTSD.

  28. Gender Traitor

    Apparently, “Uncle” is problematic.

    The owner of Eskimo Pie has also said it will change its name and marketing of the nearly century-old chocolate-covered ice cream bar.

    Pondering whether I should stock up and save these as collectors’ items.

    • Grosspatzer

      They missed out on a great marketing opportunity. “Uncle Joe’s Perverted Rice” was the obvious choice.

  29. Suthenboy

    Good morning all.

    Christ, I see the idiocy out there continues unabated. I am rained in all day and since I don’t do mushrooms maybe I will just get drunk.

    • Festus' Mustache

      If I didn’t have to work tonight I’d stay up with you, counting raindrops and laughing at the idiots.

    • Sean

      I see the idiocy out there continues unabated.

      https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=261217

      An update will be provided if appropriate for the investigation. This is the fourth shooting of the evening where a person was struck by gunfire.

      Oh Portland, you so crazy.

      • Festus' Mustache

        Ther’s been a spate of shootings in our town over the last few days. On the way home this morning there were at least a dozen cop cars surrounding a house just off the main drag.

    • Festus' Mustache

      He’s the one Uncle that never minded getting bumped down to the “Kid’s Table” at family functions. Just look at that grasping claw and for Ruth of all people…

  30. Festus' Mustache

    Sorry if I seem a little off this morning. The twice rebuilt shoulder is acting up because I am not as spry as I believe myself to be and did something stupid at work two nights ago. I don’t know how many more years are left in this job.

    • Grosspatzer

      Sorry to hear that, Festus. Perhaps you should learn to code? /ducks

      • Festus' Mustache

        Not an option at this point. Wal-Mart greeter perhaps?

      • Festus' Mustache

        Influencer? Instagram Model? Something more grounded in reality, maybe.

      • Grosspatzer

        Instagram Model probably works. Rule 34.

      • Sean

        Instagram Model?

        ??

      • Festus' Mustache

        Hey! Grosspatzer invoked Rule 34, not me. Those old ladies get lonely sometimes in current year!

      • Festus' Mustache

        Aurthur Murray ran a pretty tight scam for decades if you are old enough to remember. GP will.

      • Grosspatzer

        /me remembers dancing lessons in preparation for wedding.

      • Festus' Mustache

        Slimy guys with pencil moustaches that would bilk lonely widows. Your example is also spot on. I think disco killed them off.

    • Festus' Mustache

      Well we’ve got the circus but where will the bread come from? I’m already exhausted and Gaia wants a few more romps before this ridiculousness is over.